How UK honours list system has become 'politicised'
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- Опубликовано: 10 фев 2025
- Leading names from the arts, from sport, from science to charity will be honoured at the end of this month at Buckingham Palace in an awards process that's always been shrouded in secrecy, decided by members of ten Government committees - all perfectly fair and independent, say ministers.
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But a number of committee members have come forward, claiming pressure was put on them to approve honours for Conservative Party supporters and donors, and that the whole system has become politicised.
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Honours for long public service is a great idea. But it never seems to really extend to those people who give life long service at the lower end of the pay scale. And usually in much less glamorous occupations.
I'd be much more impressed if the honours system included a few more nurses, posties, refuse collectors, teachers, paramedics, care workers, railway workers, bus drivers etc.
Instead we get Lady Mone of Mayfair.
(Drag Queen name if ever there was.)
Trigger's broom should get a knighthood for 20yrs of service to the community...
... & those Workers ROLES could be represented on the notorious M.P.'s so called 'INDEPENDENT PAY REVIEW PANEL'....
😁😁😁
Macron Qatar stade
But she plays so well up top
Just a friendly reminder that David Beckham openly stated that he only does charity work to get honours, and I wouldn't be surprised if that is more prevalent. There should be some clear boundaries. For instance, you shouldn't get one for just doing your job, that includes singers, sports people etc. You shouldn't get one if you invite the media to photograph you as you do charity work as that just proved the intent behind it. There are genuinely good people out there that deserve honours much more than celebrities.
The same guy who got paid half a billion to promote the World Cup that killed people
"You shouldnt get one for doing your job" - I'd disagree with you on that there...for a lot of people the only way they can afford to do good work is by getting the right kind of job that helps them achieve that end.
Without that qualifying factor then the only people who could really afford to be so entitled are those rich enough to already have a few inherited from day one.
I don't see Beckham's honours as a bad thing. I don't care if he does it only for the Honours - he does it and that's the whole point. That's what honours are for: to motivate people to do stuff they wouldn't otherwise do. Do you see?
He may once have said that but it clearly isn't true, he's been generous with his time and money since he was a kid in the Man Utd youth team.
I suppose if he wanted an honour that badly he'd have donated a few hundred quid to the Conservative party.
"Fair and based on merit" or as we like to say bribes and cronyism.
Donations to the Tory Party
I'm sure they'll take bribes from anyone, it's perfectly even handed.
This does not surprise me at all. Money and power talks the loudest in our society.
That’s why our society is a joke in other countries
Money, power, and fame.
Our country lies to pretend it isn't awash with corruption and dodgy affairs.
I believe the going rate for a peerage is £3,000,000+.
If you donate £3m+ to the conservative party you are named honorary treasurer or something and the peerage is announced about a year later.
How very plutocratic.
I was going to ask how much a peerage is, slightly out of my price range unfortunately!
@@andychizzle oh, only slightly? Aren't you the lucky one.🤣 Perhaps you could get a discount in the closing down sale🤣🤣
"Life peerages" are a recent invention. Perhaps peerages as honours should cease.
If you turn around and put the Tories in power after campaigning to keep them out then it's knighthoods galore.
Corruption at its best and should be scrapped
The British political system has conveniently been left in the past.Privaliges are supposed to be earned,not donated by the elite.I think I probably deserve a medal or title for building houses that the public have lived in,and will carry on living in for the next 100yrs.We are being treated like empty headed slaves.
Royalty, the honours list, political parties that can trace their roots to medieval times means the UK is just a historic theme park
Well, we keep on voting like empty-headed slaves ....
Trust me, being a republic doesn't stop people from chasing post-nominal titles behind their names
The Honours System has been heavily politicised and hugely dumbed down for as many years as I can recall . And each year it just gets worse. Imo.
The greatest merit, serving the people around you and educating yourself
No me sorprende. Lo Premios Nobel son instrumentos de PROPAGANDA de OCCIDENTE.
People on the ground have sacrificed their lives, that’s something I hold to my heart, they will always be in my heart ❤️
It's a pile of BS.
We've all known for years that donations to the tory party will get you on the honours list. This isn't news it's been going on for decades.
The Tories are/were smarter than Labour though, instead of just taking the cash, they make the donors treasurer of the Conservative Party for 6 months and give them an honour for their service.
Become politicised??? When was it not political?
They should scrap the honours system
I understood that the honours system was _always_ political. But it only makes a difference with peerages, which can to a certain extent influence legislation.
What's new?
When I get offered an honour, I'll tell them where to put it, I'd like to think I'm a more honourable upstanding person than the average honoured person, I'd consider it an insult.
"When". 😂🖕
Another example of the need for a written Constitution with rules instead of relying on "tradition" and "customary practices" between "gentlemen".
Not worth the ribbon that holds it, David Beckham ffs, really.
I keep seeing TV stars getting medals 😄 everything that's happening is showing how bent it all is. But god forbid a normal person do anything wrong
I have more respect to those few people (admittedly mainly celebs) who have refused honours. It’s a corrupt system and one of the last refuges of the old school class system.
People who refused honours include:
John Lennon
George Harrison
David Bowie
Michael Sheen (although he did accept one and then give it back, but still 🤷)
John Cleese
Danny Boyle
Roald Dahl
CS Lewis
Albert Finley
Graham Greene
Francis Bacon
LS Lowry
Ken Loach
Benjamin Zephaniah
John Le Carre
JG Ballard
Jim Broadbent
Alan Rickman
Bill Nighy
Stephen Hawking
Rudyard Kipling
George Bernard Shaw
Peter O’Toole
Peter Capaldi
Henry Moore
Vanessa Redgrave
Doris Lessing
Michael Faraday
Rabindranath Tagore
Dawn French
Jennifer Saunders
Aldous Huxley
Alfred Deakin
Alan Bennett
Ian Mcdiarmid (even the Emperor turned down an honour from the Queen, that’s how corrupt honours are)
John Oliver
Jon Snow
Kenneth Williams
The list goes on…suffice it to say I have more respect for those who have reject the offer of an “honour” than anyone who has accepted an honour.
It's almost as though they think we haven't already figured out the whole system is corrupt.
There isn't a British empire, it's long gone and these grifters should go as well.
Honours and peerages need to be completely stripped away from politicians, they can give a departing PM 1 Lord per year served and that's it.
😂😂😂..Laughing because it's only now it's realised!..I'm thinking since the 90's it started!😀
It isn't only just now realised. People who were within the system are only now talking out about it so actual evidence is being formed.
@@Krytern But the damage has already been done..All these years..no decades of people being honoured placed in positions within our systems/country that has so much influence on our long term well being etc..as a country..Don't get me wrong many have have been placed..But only a few have their hearts in the right places for the overall well being..I don't know..I'm thinking in this time and age it's crucial we start to think about this factor..and the overall foundation of the nation...
@@Krytern Remember..Prior..Honours were not so easily given out..And theres a good reason for that..
@@Krytern was it not realised when Nick Clegg became Sir Nick, Vince Cable became Sir Vince and Ed Davey became Sir Ed as a direct result of putting Cameron in power?
@@clivet3252 I already know this?
Ha! Like it wasn't 'politicised' before!
Maybe the Kings honours list should be governed by the King?
Maybe you should geht rid of your dual class system? A monarchy is build to feel above others. It is its core System and its only purpose.
@@Noname6589 Actually the british monarchy is there to be above party politics and defend the constitution.
@@lee9650 so why did charles give an award to an arab guy in secret in exchange for money? Corruption at every level.
@@besainygolf2899 Any reasonable proof for that or is it just an accusation you are repeating like a parrot after hearing it from the media?
@@lee9650 can I refer you to a Sunday Times article dated August, 7, 2022. “Establishment’s reaction to inquiries into prince’s causes? Deafening silence” This is after a long-running investigation by a couple of the paper’s journalists.
Speech marks on a headline when you don't "trust" your own story.
Ah, there's that word again, "independent". What they really mean is "bought".
The UK also needs a dishonours list, especially following the fiasco that triggered the pandemic. Some of those most eligible for inclusion on the list actually hold peerages.
No! Really? You don’t say!
It's so outrageous!
Integrity 🤣
It’s painful, for a great many people
always appreciate a channel that allows comments on their videos
Who cares anyway. Jimmy Savill,Tony Blair,etc were or still are on the honours list. Do you want to share that?
Based on merit? More money donated to a the current political party = more merit
If you go into the metaverse, I know a seven year old King that will Knight you and put in the House of Lords for a Twix bar in this Universe.
For anyone who has sincerely served the public and benefited society. That is reward enough. Ban all titles, apart from academic honours. Sorry if I've offended the serial cap-doffers and flag-shaggers.
Feudalism
it should be easy to make a short study on who received the decoration or who nver does
I just googled the ‘cash for honours’ scandal, and how Prince now King Charles is involved. Enough said... please scrap the honours list system.
Power for honours is the biggest scandal but it never gets talked about. Most senior Lib Dems have honours as a result of propping up Cameron.
"Accountability at every level"! What a bunch of charlatans and - absoloute - lies!
It’s not hard to understand the underlying purpose of the honours system today regardless of who are ultimately responsible for awarding them.
Honours are only awarded to those people whether professional (particularly in mainstream politics, media, armed services, acting etc) or, seemingly to provide balance, genuinely commendable laypeople (like voluntary workers, long term care workers or helpful foot postmen/women etc.,) whose actions or attitudes however do not in any way challenge or threaten the underlying economic social neoliberal political system. This inevitably discourages many lay people to believe that the current political status quo cannot be challenged or radically overhauled by political means.
This indirectly reflects and addresses the question as to why the mass political media always seem to ask every time a new political story or revelation occurs whether it’s another chance for Boris Johnson to make a political comeback (as if he’s actually left!)
Obviously there are some who wish he’d return as Prime Minister however anyone would think by this fawning media coverage there was a mass desperation amongst the UK population at large that he does which of course is debatable.
No surprise here that torrid tories and their cronies have hijacked the honours list.
Scumbags.
Wow really? No way!!
Corruption. Time for a new government.
It always has
Is there anything not corrupted in the UK?
My heart goes out to you, if you’ve lost someone, my heart goes out to you ❤
It's open to corruption and those who are corrupt make use of it.
Dont think sports people should get a "gong". They get money via the lottery money to help them when they are professionals. They get honours via their sport and money from companies brands. Many of the professional sports people spend their days concentrating and training in their sports, not holding down a job!
Nor should party donors be given honours for any Party support, even if they do good work, it should be if you are a donor you cannot get an honour.
Politicians should not be part of the decision making and should be independently decided by a committee. Honours should no longer be given titles of, "The British Empire" etc. Retitle them as 'Honourable Citizen of the United Kingdom', or 'Good Citizen Award' etc. They should be given to people deserving such as Teachers, Nurses, Doctors, Scientists, Enginerrs, for doing a good job all your life in whatever job you do, even ordinary people in Charities example those starting and running Food Banks, Go out to the homeless and help them. Not big businesses or Directors of a company just because he is a director!
Colour me unsurprised
I know we have similar issues here in Australia. Millionaire business men and women get the highest awards for literally doing no more than their highly paid job, whilst the lady doing decades of charity work gets the lowest award. Prince Philip was even awarded a knighthood of Australia.
And Westminster is called the 'Mother of all Parliaments' PMSL.
Merit ? Money, democracy on the quiet ?
Donations and contracts
Just like America rotten to the core! It should be elected by the people
Elected to the core just like America; both houses?
The Number 10. Now I understood why there are Winter Strikes. Which brother is running the Govt. Ozil can't sit in Westminster, neither Wilshere
Has nobody every watched ‘yes minister’? Of course it’s politicised
A Silly Medal Doesn’t Mean A Damn Thing To Anybody Absolutely Pointless.
Knighthoods & Dames 😂 Ridiculous They Think They’re Special They Are Not?
Britain! Once renowned for its intelligent society, today with, by far, the least educated members of our society we've ever seen, or ever experienced before. It's shocking! In 1986, you'll find there was a major change in the British education system. It saw the very good O'Level and CSE standard just done away with, (for a reason nobody even knows, still today), and replaced with this "excuse of an education" they call GCSE's. Has anyone actually bothered to look at, not only how they're being taught, but exactly what they're being taught, today?
Today, it's not an education. It's only a memory test. Today, they're not taught who worked something out, or how that person came to figure that something out, and not even what led that person to work that something out? Nope, today, they're merely told, this is how we do something... (X + y - Z = ?)… Etc. So write it down, so you remember it, and then they just move on? And my goodness, we have to say, doesn't it show?
"Fair and based on merit" - Lewis Hamilton got knighted but Joey Dunlop didn't and I'd say Joey did more for charity as well as being a generally more down to earth bloke.
It's fame, literally f1 is more famous than the Ilse of man TT, British f1 drivers get knighthoods and iom TT icons get way less.
That's not even going into non-sporting icons like rev w awdry, the author of the railway series.
Tear it all down. Older generations must be punished for the decadence they've permitted.
Interesting news topic, about the honor system.
British. Little movement has been made in India : beyond that India is standing still.🤣🤣🤣Police and army are standing in 1947.
If this list actually reflected genuine nurses and other hard workers then it would be fair, not donors, money should not buy honours. Ban anyone with politically connections.
Who are you kidding? Honours have ALWAYS been political.
I PROPOSE ALL THE NURSES FOR HONOURS !!!!!
ONLY THE MONARCH SHOULD DECIDE WHO GETS AN HONOUR !
Why is this news? It'd been politicised long before today, long before the Lavender List.
Rewarding people based on ethnicity, sexual orientation, gender and just for doing a job but rarely, if ever, for being outstanding.
Its not what you know but who you know!
Shame i won’t get my birthday card from the queen now.
Breaking news: Queen dead.
So , we still cannot call our society 'civilised '.
Started under Thatcher and has been ramped up to its current state. If you think it's bad now wait another ten years.
Of course it is not based on merit. What on earth did someone like Boris Johnson's brother do to deserve a seat in the House of Lords or the uber rich Zak Goldsmith. Ridiculous and time to disband this dishonorable system.
Quelle surprise.
Absolutely disgusting
"How UK honours list system has become 'politicised'. What! how dare you. Where have you been all this time? Nothing has changed, rewards are mainly for services to Political leaders, and political parties. Were you sleeping by any chance!
are they realising that honours just draw attention to the evil people have done and no-one respects them
Politicians used money and some influence to be politicians of UK and then the UK will give the politician award. The important thing of economic circumstance of UK that UK had no sense at all with the peoples suffering
£3 million and youre in , very democratic
Abolish the system.
Typical behaviour from the Conservative and Unionist Party. In the highly unlikely event that I was offered an honour, I wouldn't accept anything that had 'British Empire' on it anyway. Just makes you wonder whether the Supreme Court decision on the Scottish independence referendum and the more recent High Court decision on deportations to Rwanda weren't also manipulated by the Tories.
Lock Johnson up
There's a long list to look at before you get to him. Blair and Cameron are at the top of it.
Cathy Newman really need to find a job, In any other profession she would have been dismissed for gross negligence. Why do Journalists get to say whatever they want without repercussion??
Hoyle wants HOL kept cos that's where his grubby future lies.
I think Channel 4 put this 7:00 as a satire :D
I mean...Charles Harry William and Andrew are all knighted in multiple orders.
Can we introduce one made of enriched uranium and gift it to all politicians??
A Politicised honors list?
Next week. Pope is a Catholic Channel 4 report finds.
Well well well open to abuse. No one would be believe it. The best list is the people who have refused. In education its called Other Buggers Efforts! haha
It's all the dodgy deals done by charles, like the time he was handed millions of pounds in black plastic bags.
Lloyd George corrupted the system.
Celebrities shouldn't get "honors".
Like giving an award to some lady who made bras now she’s stole £100M
It is simply easy to sort this out just give all the power of giving to royal fam instead of the gov
Get rid of Lords.
You would not have this issue with Lords appointments if there was still a large presence of hereditary peerages
Keep bravery awards for soldiers and emergency/essential services
honours aren't for bravery they're for charity work & public service. Basically a blue peter badge for big boys.
Whether it's Labour or Tories, both hand out honours and peerages to their political backers
The Lib Dems in the Tories case.
For who Boris the bell tolls?