Just Coney likely a bit drunk and being his fun self and Suarz being a complete bore. Seriously, sad seeing him on there. Vikki at least can bounce with Coney's shenanigans.
To the people complaining about Suarz, Coney has been acting odd/unprofessional in a few different sets at this point. Suarz mentioned that talking to the players like that is against regulations, and I think it's also worth pointing out that Salem is the only person Coney has done this to. It doesn't look good for him to be distracting to someone who is going against his PG teammate. Big props to Suarz for taking a stand.
Also it seems like no one has any idea that Coney and Suarz are very familiar with each other. They do a weekly recap together for the smash scene and I really like how willing they are to hold each other accountable. Suarz is dry, yeah, but not remotely boring like these comments are saying. I thought this commentary was really good, aside from him heckling Salem
thats because Coney was being a dick to him the whole time... Coney wanted to be the center of attention which took attention off the actual match... no one comes here to watch two commentaters fight they want to actually watch the game
Hope u guys know that coney and suar are pretty good friends lol. Also I’m pretty sure coney was not sober and suar is more by the book but yeah they aren’t really beefing or anything they just have clashing personalities
Commentary here is bizzare. One guy sounds like he's on adderall trying to nonstop meme. Then one guy sounds like he hasn't slept in 3 days. Then there's a chick in the middle trying to find her place in this madness.
He’s biased af and tried to influence the outcome of the fight. Not because he wanted anyone specific to win. He just wanted to make the set more hype, but his approach was absolutely absurd and disruptive. Hilarity ensues.
Coney yelling out to Salem in between matches is actually so unprofessional. The players need to be focused on the match not some commentator just trying to get a laugh. He’s either drunk or just felt like being ignorant, he knows better than that
@@futureiznow6748 Oh well during a match I'd think I agree,but I had only seen him shouting during the moments where they weren't in game. I looked back over it and did see that as so.
LMAOOO I love how he mocked his co-commentator and the Black Plague commentators. call me butter cause I'm on a roll AWHH YEEHH CLIP DAT. DONT DO MY MANS LIKE DAT HE GOT A FAMILY. lmao
The best part of this set was coney low key bashing on salem and that guy trying to stop him. You gotta love coney though like wtf. Crazy guy. Edit: had no doubt marss would win. Dude did the same thing in mainstage trying to switch 3 times and could not prevail. Maybe that's why coney was going wild. He already knew the winner.
its pretty annoying though ngl... like I don't even like Salem but Coney was pissing me off... also he completely shut down all the other dudes jokes. Kind of a dick ngl.
2:03 *talking about the Greninja pick* “clearly this isn’t working.” True, it’s 3 stocks to 1 Yet Russ chimes in and goes relax and shuts down Coney for no reason.
Wasn't he just joking? Edit: nevermind he totally wasn't lmao what a wreck, Coney is one of the best casters out there. Russ should shut up and let him do his thing
NBxSwarley Commentator on the right didn’t want Commentator on the left to get fired bruh. He’s yelling on the loudest microphone in history for someone to change his character. That’s technically coaching. He could potentially lose Salem the game and himself the job. *It has happened before, for pettier reasons. He is lucky they tolerated him.*
This commentary just made me feel weird to be honest, that Suarez guy is so defensive i have a hard time believing him and Coney are actual friends still. I feel bad for Vikky though lol she wasn't bad
So... people were joking about Coney being drunk many set before this one already... Was it real though ? Either he was, or he has something against Salem to the point it tarnishes his skills... either way quite disappointing.. (or the simple theory he does not well when he's the lead commentator)
Comey man I know u dont like salem man but you need to stop showing your personal feelings in the commentary like this. The set was really childish for the size of the event. As a senior commentator you should know better than this.
Suar should never be allowed on mic. He was a stats guy when things were "professional" with D1 and Korean and an unfunny buzzkill with Vikki and Coney
Because the other commentators weren't shit talking, so it makes him seem like the arrogant outlier. Hence why he's so much better when he's with someone like TK, or with Tito during the Pound 2019 Crew Battle.
How the hell does Coney get all these gigs? There are commentators who are way funnier AND actually know what they’re talking about. He’s ok but keep him and EE for pools, or have them be announcers. Tk, bam, Korean, strides, d1, max, toph, etc... would be good for top 8
it's not, only if you don't put time into the character it is. he's nuanced and high maintenance, he requires a lot of lab work and careful spacing, precision and timing. that's why not a lot of people play him, not because he is basic. It's Pretty clear Salem has a pocket Greninja and nothing more, which is sad because there are certian characters that don't really benifit a player much if you aren't maining them and Greninja is one of them
Jordan Pacheco True. The best Greninja mains have played him since Smash 4. Maybe someday someone like MkLeo or Marss picked up the frog and eventually master him. MKLeo had a pocket Greninja for a very brief time and he only used it for Summit. MkLeo especially has shown that he can put his finger on nearly any character (Sorry K.Rool) and make a character look seemingly broken.
Warukuma I feel the issue is that Coney isn’t good as a lead commentator, when he’s with TK, EE or both he thrives, but when he has to take the reigns he struggles Vikki and Suar are not lead commentators by any stretch, especially Suar
@Warukuma yeah ive heard them scream baby sounds and state move-for-move every action each player takes, super hype to people that dont listen to the commentary for insight
@@pendalink I would agree for regular french tourneys... but the recent UFA had really good ones, though I don't know if they were actually french. But definitely europeans commentators.
10:11 "bayonetta hAs LaG nOw, sHe Is ReAsOnAbLe" yeah thats why most of her moves dont work, like c.falcon. i like how coney deals with him. bringing the "i went to college" lmao you could see that they dont like each other.
@@tobi1557 but her weakness are really bad. She has no kill options besides fthrow and back air. Her landing lag is atrocious. People fall out her moves more often than other characters.
I think there's a fine line- I'm not trying to /bring it back/ or anything I've just personally not seen that much Ultimate and am just trying to get into it now, and I know that this set wouldn't be a good example of Ult's commentary or aesthetic overall, but melee commentators/tournaments do a great job of having a casual or fun atmosphere whilst retaining professionalism for top 8. They'll joke and shit-talk a bit, but they'll keep bringing it back to game-play and offer the viewer enough information regarding the player's performance overall/how they often do against one another etc. While I want the smash scene to retain its fun aesthetic, talking to a player mid-match is over the line, and if everyone wants to see more support and better prize pools the scene has to retain a sense of, at least, semi-professionalism.
@@NotaUnfamiliar ohhh... I see, but in any case professionalism is justified. Although in the end you are right ... A funnier atmosphere by the commentators, maybe?
The level of unprofessionalism of this commentator on the left is sad. Creating more drama in a community that doesn't need it. Do your job please we aren't entertained by your cries for attention. This game is about the players, not you.
Katie E he hates the community, NOT the game, he literally explained it in the original twit-longer. And no, I’m not defending any crap he’s done since, but I’m tired of seeing this same comment taken out of context.
@@spamminspiff7685 Sorry dude, I guess I didn't remember it all with great accuracy. I kinda assumed that, since he said that melee shouldn't be considered a smash game, he both didn't like the game and the community- I'm likely wrong, though. I don't hate the guy, because I don't /actually/ know him or anyone from the scene with any depth lmao, I was just making a joke without thinking about it too much. Again, sorry if I misinterpreted anything that went down/what was said.
Katie E Wow, this is actually the most amount of niceness, respectfulness, and stuff that I’ve seen on the internet for a long time, color me surprised. Also, to answer your other question, based on what he said in the Twit-longer, he overall hates the part of the Melee community who only stick to Melee and don’t branch out to other Smash games. I hope I didn’t come off as stand-off-ish in my previous comment. I will say that I personally don’t hate Salem, but overtime he’s been making it harder to not dislike him, due to so comments he’s made to other top-level players since then.
@@spamminspiff7685 Nah it's okay, you shouldn't feel sorry. I shouldn't have inferred or made assumptions in regards to Salem's opinions when I don't know all of the facts- it's never good to develop an argument when the information that you have is limited. I'll be careful about that in the future. Personally, I don't see any problem with some player sticking to melee (over the later games) if they have the most passion for it and like it the most. In saying that, I really dislike the people who actively mock and ridicule the other games... that's just childish and mean. Even though I prefer melee over the other editions, I still enjoy watching Ultimate and I'm of the opinion that every smash game has merit in some aspects. Everybody should have the freedom to voice their opinion, and some of what Salem has said is completely fair to say even if I don't personally agree. I do think that it was cruel of him to call out a bunch of players; calling Armada a 'one-trick' and undermining the legacy that he built over the years is one example of this, and telling him that he should just be 'making content' instead of competing made me really sad for him. All in all, I just wish that the communities can find a way to get along and show each other respect :)
Katie E honestly I agree with what you say here, although one thing I want to add, I feel if the community stopped bringing it up and bothering Salem with it as well, Salem might end up stop doing all the stuff he’s been doing all together (hopefully), because the fact the people consistently ridicule him even when it doesn’t concern a specific isn’t exactly going to make him stop, in fact it’ll probably egg him on. The fact that some of the top players, who many view as role models, are also doing the same thing of bringing it back up (mostly Leffen, not surprisingly, but Armada has been as well every now and then). At this point, this is just become an endless cycle of ridicule and name calling that will never need because neither side can shut up. I personally am a big fan of Salem as player, he’s a really good player and you can tell how well he understands the game, but even I know that as a person, Salem really needs to shut up as well; and so does the community, cause like I said, the community is not helping one bit.
Game 1: Coney was right to respond how he did. Between G1 and G2: Coney was reacting too strongly. Vikki's "Help Me" was justified. G2: Can y'all just commentate the fucking match. 3rd commentatoe wtf dude can you stop looking for a fight. Coney stop looking for a joke when people are being serious, enough of the passive-aggressive shit, and commentate the game. Between G2 and G3: Coney learned his mistake a little too late. G3: Thank you Vikki for commentating properly. Coney watch your words a little more carefully because commentator 3 is looking for a fight and would have instigated one if he wasn't so focused on interrupting you this game. Commentator 3 we get it you like Melee can you stfu and focus on the game, not the onomonapaeia that Coney makes? Between G3 and G4: Commentator 3 take a fucking joke and stop looking for a fight. Vikki thank you for being focused. G4: Proper commentary for the most part until late game where commentator 3 tries to start a fight Vikki just won't pick up. Fucking commentate. That's what you're there for. Don't make jokes at the beginning of G1, that's where viewers have the most attention. Don't try to start arguments, you are there for the players and game, not your personal interests. Don't make a joke at your fellow commentator's expense unless you too are friends outside of that setting. For fuck's sake this ws horrendous to listen to. Watching without volume on was so much more enjoyable it's ridiculous.
Y’all have to realize that this isn’t a very important tournament and most players are pretty much just winding down after Big House. Salem threw this match and because of that Coney stopped caring. It’s impossible to commentate a set and make it seem hype if one of the players just wants to go home.
Ryan H what makes you think he threw the match? Salem isn’t good enough to beat Marss so he lost period, I love coney but he was acting kinda toxic this set even before the first game was over, coney didn’t stop giving a fuck during the set he stopped giving a fuck before it even started, he was probably drunk
Bry Boy This game isn’t polarizing enough to simply “lose to a player because you’re that much worse”. Salem isn’t as good, but he stands a legitimate chance against Mars. What makes me say he “threw” the game is the fact that he didn’t play any of his mains the entire game.
@@ryanh1013 Maybe because he trained for this match up and knows better than us that Snake wouldn't work well? Anyway, Coney was weird during most top 8 sets... particularly on this one.
@@ryanh1013 Let's say you know your ZSS is obviously worst than the one you're facing. But, considering all your characters, it is actually the best chance you'd have. There it is. Fighting the best ZSS with you still-in-training one without voluntarily "throwing the game". For example.
Coney either feels total guilt for being disruptive or he is so salty for being silenced, because he had the most uncomfortable expression on his face. Let this be a lesson on not making a jackass of yourself when you are a professional.
Coney: "okay we're doing that? day 1 commentary stuff?"
Coney 2 seconds later: "BIG ZAP!"
I swear, Coney was high during this. Or SOMETHING. because this is some of the most whack commentary I've ever heard haha
coney has some wild quotes this tournament
Who's letting Coney get wasted then commentate sets
LMAO Vikki mouthing "HELP ME"
4:04
What is this commentary lmao
Coney man lol
Real battle was in the commentary box
I lost it when Coney tried to talk to Salem 😂
The Salt in the kitchen and the day one commentary 😂😂😂
Dude in far left is MAD annoying
4:06 "help me" 🤣🤣
she is just stuck in the middle
A little bit of commentator competition seems to be taking place😅
This guy can't handle. Coney is a legend.
Just Coney likely a bit drunk and being his fun self and Suarz being a complete bore. Seriously, sad seeing him on there. Vikki at least can bounce with Coney's shenanigans.
@@melo7038 calling out to a player during a loser semis match is shenanigans? That's straight up illegal.
Distracting me from watching the game.
Coney's is annoying as fuck
Poor Vikki caught in between those two acting like children.
@@Zetami Then Coney and Suarez could have been a little more professional and made it easier for her to actually commentate.
Dude Vikki looking like she witnessed a murder and wanted to call 911
Jay Stew
That’s not how that’s used
I need whatever drugs these commentators were on
True Vikki was outta whack seemed strung out. But Coney I think just annoying
King Chris just beat mvd with zss. Zss beats snake coney is wrong
12:29 they definitely were on something lmao
@@Guts1022 From what I read this happened very late at night. They were ready to go and tired.
To the people complaining about Suarz, Coney has been acting odd/unprofessional in a few different sets at this point. Suarz mentioned that talking to the players like that is against regulations, and I think it's also worth pointing out that Salem is the only person Coney has done this to. It doesn't look good for him to be distracting to someone who is going against his PG teammate. Big props to Suarz for taking a stand.
Heckling a player in the middle of a set is completely ridiculous, don't see how anyone could excuse Coney for doing that.
Also it seems like no one has any idea that Coney and Suarz are very familiar with each other. They do a weekly recap together for the smash scene and I really like how willing they are to hold each other accountable. Suarz is dry, yeah, but not remotely boring like these comments are saying. I thought this commentary was really good, aside from him heckling Salem
4:03 Vicky saying "Help me"
Dude the commentator on the right sounds so defensive against coney bruh
Ik that girl to the left of him needs to take the stick out of his ass
thats because Coney was being a dick to him the whole time... Coney wanted to be the center of attention which took attention off the actual match... no one comes here to watch two commentaters fight they want to actually watch the game
Hope u guys know that coney and suar are pretty good friends lol. Also I’m pretty sure coney was not sober and suar is more by the book but yeah they aren’t really beefing or anything they just have clashing personalities
Being drunk doesn't excuse asshe vibes. I'm feeling like Coney is actually just a dick
@@thatdude3977 lol that dude I always see you in comment sections of smash
Commentary here is bizzare. One guy sounds like he's on adderall trying to nonstop meme. Then one guy sounds like he hasn't slept in 3 days. Then there's a chick in the middle trying to find her place in this madness.
I didn’t know vikki was casting doubles. Mars/coney vs Salem/other caster
Ok so this is the first time I'm more focused on the commentary than the match, good job
4:20
Coney: Bruh I miss that stage
Other guy : shut up.
Daaamn
What’s wrong with coneyyyyyy
nothing, he's perfect.
He’s biased af and tried to influence the outcome of the fight.
Not because he wanted anyone specific to win. He just wanted to make the set more hype, but his approach was absolutely absurd and disruptive. Hilarity ensues.
Coney yelling out to Salem in between matches is actually so unprofessional. The players need to be focused on the match not some commentator just trying to get a laugh. He’s either drunk or just felt like being ignorant, he knows better than that
Then you obviously dont know Coney then. This tournament was like a robot fest,Coney was the only life on this commentary team.
TriHyden I do know coney and he never does that. Doesn’t matter if you’re the life of the tourney or not. You don’t bother players during a match
@@futureiznow6748 Oh well during a match I'd think I agree,but I had only seen him shouting during the moments where they weren't in game. I looked back over it and did see that as so.
Poor Vikki has to be in between these two while they're fighting... XD
Vikki *lips words* "Help me"
Everyone else is complaining about it but drunk Coney commentary is my favorite
It’s so great to see Panda Global’s fine high quality professional commentators 😒
LMAOOO I love how he mocked his co-commentator and the Black Plague commentators. call me butter cause I'm on a roll AWHH YEEHH CLIP DAT. DONT DO MY MANS LIKE DAT HE GOT A FAMILY.
lmao
Coney is just making a complete fool out of himself
it was really refreshing to see a bayonetta give marss a run for his money.
Finally a comment that isn’t about the commentators
This commentator trying to talk to Salem during the match is cringe.
The best part of this set was coney low key bashing on salem and that guy trying to stop him. You gotta love coney though like wtf. Crazy guy.
Edit: had no doubt marss would win. Dude did the same thing in mainstage trying to switch 3 times and could not prevail. Maybe that's why coney was going wild. He already knew the winner.
its pretty annoying though ngl... like I don't even like Salem but Coney was pissing me off... also he completely shut down all the other dudes jokes. Kind of a dick ngl.
@@jobliar937 that's the coney
Imma start a petition for them to be commentators on every tournament. Never laughed like this during a match :D
Dag, his opinion really got you bent outta shape. Ima need you to get a hobby.
@YGuy1 You sound like you're in basement with how salty you sound jesus.
2:03 *talking about the Greninja pick* “clearly this isn’t working.”
True, it’s 3 stocks to 1
Yet Russ chimes in and goes relax and shuts down Coney for no reason.
Wasn't he just joking? Edit: nevermind he totally wasn't lmao what a wreck, Coney is one of the best casters out there. Russ should shut up and let him do his thing
He's just an asshole. Coney should have reached across and smacked him. Its is the only way.
@@PurpleDragonSpike honestly they were both being assholes too each other
I'm loving the tension between Coney and the other guy.
I feel like Vikki could totally do ZSS's voice based on that "is that all"
Bruh, coney actually was annoying as hell in this set jeez if he doesnt like sale is ok but let dude play lmao
man,this long haired commentator has all the energy of a dying sloth.
Jeremy Naval beta male
Every match I've seen from this tournament with these commentators has made me think Coney and that other dude really were on each others nerves.
MunchthatCrunch it made think that they were flirting.
All I have to say is
Awkward
Oof the audio is desynced.
Such unprofessional commentary. Would expect better from coney
Coney was off the shits
Coney went toxic mode on this set
i have never been more annoyed by commentary in my life
Comedy is annoying. :(
Coney doin em dirty Lmao
Jesus the guy on the right makes me depressed.
every time he mentions the crowd size the number goes up lmao
2:04 passive aggressive “ok relax” from the commentator lmao
It seems like someone will be fired
Commentator on the right was a bummer. i am depressed now.
NBxSwarley
Commentator on the right didn’t want Commentator on the left to get fired bruh.
He’s yelling on the loudest microphone in history for someone to change his character. That’s technically coaching. He could potentially lose Salem the game and himself the job. *It has happened before, for pettier reasons. He is lucky they tolerated him.*
Please never have these 3 together on the mic ever again
Coney's best commentary
This commentary just made me feel weird to be honest, that Suarez guy is so defensive i have a hard time believing him and Coney are actual friends still.
I feel bad for Vikky though lol she wasn't bad
Coney was being unbearable
So... people were joking about Coney being drunk many set before this one already...
Was it real though ? Either he was, or he has something against Salem to the point it tarnishes his skills... either way quite disappointing..
(or the simple theory he does not well when he's the lead commentator)
Commentator makes Salem look respectful
...that explains everything ! It was planned all along !!
I really think Salem’s trolling now never seen counter picks like that 😂😂
Coney had me dying 😂😂😂
4:03
Lol. What was the matter with those two?
Comey man I know u dont like salem man but you need to stop showing your personal feelings in the commentary like this. The set was really childish for the size of the event. As a senior commentator you should know better than this.
Justin Y. is a weeb 1 I think he’s joking. 2 him and suar host a weekly podcast. 3. He’s very tired
Zaid Rei 1. It’s literally illegal 2. They were clearly mad at each other, friends or not 3. Not an excuse lmao, also pretty sure he was drunk
Suar should never be allowed on mic. He was a stats guy when things were "professional" with D1 and Korean and an unfunny buzzkill with Vikki and Coney
Melo yeah that’s dude sucks at commentating
Cool little trick I found: turn off sound and make your own commentary. Loved it and thought I’d share.
2:40 Top Zero Suit Samus plays
This set was just whack in so many ways
I don't know why but Coney pisses me off sometimes.
Because the other commentators weren't shit talking, so it makes him seem like the arrogant outlier. Hence why he's so much better when he's with someone like TK, or with Tito during the Pound 2019 Crew Battle.
@@Patrick-ho3st yeah basically this. I'm not used to hearing him with commentors who don't trash talk also.
@@swampat4093 He was in the right to talk trash.
@@MontageHustle good point.
Sometimes I think the only reason we let Coney commentate is because we're afraid of what he'll do if he doesn't lmao
3:15 dude lmaooo, stop 🤣
The butches in the comments made the commentary seem much worse than it actually was. Chill out.
Aether Warrior the commentary was the fucking greatest i agree
How the hell does Coney get all these gigs? There are commentators who are way funnier AND actually know what they’re talking about. He’s ok but keep him and EE for pools, or have them be announcers. Tk, bam, Korean, strides, d1, max, toph, etc... would be good for top 8
Of all people to talk about...its Coney? At least hes actually interesting. I'd take Coney over Toph anyday
Korean sux especially in void sets because all he does is suck dick tho whole set
@@thekdanes one year later…TRUUEEE
Salem is the true zss main
I kinda wish Greninja’s gameplan wasn’t so basic and predictable. But I’m glad Lea finally got to Top 8 with him since Umebura SP2 and SP3
it's not, only if you don't put time into the character it is. he's nuanced and high maintenance, he requires a lot of lab work and careful spacing, precision and timing. that's why not a lot of people play him, not because he is basic. It's Pretty clear Salem has a pocket Greninja and nothing more, which is sad because there are certian characters that don't really benifit a player much if you aren't maining them and Greninja is one of them
Jordan Pacheco True. The best Greninja mains have played him since Smash 4. Maybe someday someone like MkLeo or Marss picked up the frog and eventually master him. MKLeo had a pocket Greninja for a very brief time and he only used it for Summit. MkLeo especially has shown that he can put his finger on nearly any character (Sorry K.Rool) and make a character look seemingly broken.
@@jfp521 He's taking about neutral.
Plain and predictable? Not at all
Lack of a good grab is the answer
@@joseaybar5354 Grabbing? In my smash ultimate??????? No sir!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I respect coney for not caring about rules.
Coney's commentary is godtier
Warukuma I feel the issue is that Coney isn’t good as a lead commentator, when he’s with TK, EE or both he thrives, but when he has to take the reigns he struggles
Vikki and Suar are not lead commentators by any stretch, especially Suar
OOOH LALALALALALA WAOW WOT EEES DEEES
WESBAWZ IS IN FIRE
@Warukuma yeah ive heard them scream baby sounds and state move-for-move every action each player takes, super hype to people that dont listen to the commentary for insight
@@pendalink I would agree for regular french tourneys... but the recent UFA had really good ones, though I don't know if they were actually french.
But definitely europeans commentators.
Vikki the real champ here
1:01 - 1:20 LOL
Coney acting cute
Coney being stupid unprofessional here.
Gotta love coney funny as hell
Poor Coney the only one trying to make this set interesting.
Lmao three different characters for each game? Bro Salem just needs a best character and grindem out. What happened to snake and link
10:11 "bayonetta hAs LaG nOw, sHe Is ReAsOnAbLe" yeah thats why most of her moves dont work, like c.falcon.
i like how coney deals with him. bringing the "i went to college" lmao
you could see that they dont like each other.
Bayo has never been as balanced as in ultimate, he is right
@@tobi1557 yeah but now her flaws are really bad.
@@theexaltedlt8222 She has weaknesses, so does everyone
@@tobi1557 but her weakness are really bad. She has no kill options besides fthrow and back air. Her landing lag is atrocious. People fall out her moves more often than other characters.
@@tobi1557 i dont mind the weakness part, but literally many moves dont work as they are supposed to
ports affect DI what? huh?
I can’t stand the other commentators, coney is so much better
Is it just me or does it feel wrong for tourneys to try and be professional?
Just because It is a videogame You think It doest deserve respect?. I mean, this shit is expensive u know?
I think there's a fine line- I'm not trying to /bring it back/ or anything I've just personally not seen that much Ultimate and am just trying to get into it now, and I know that this set wouldn't be a good example of Ult's commentary or aesthetic overall, but melee commentators/tournaments do a great job of having a casual or fun atmosphere whilst retaining professionalism for top 8. They'll joke and shit-talk a bit, but they'll keep bringing it back to game-play and offer the viewer enough information regarding the player's performance overall/how they often do against one another etc. While I want the smash scene to retain its fun aesthetic, talking to a player mid-match is over the line, and if everyone wants to see more support and better prize pools the scene has to retain a sense of, at least, semi-professionalism.
Jose Carlos Martinez Rodriguez no that’s not what I mean, like it works out very well for games like lol, cs, ect but it just doesn’t work for smash.
@@NotaUnfamiliar ohhh... I see, but in any case professionalism is justified. Although in the end you are right ... A funnier atmosphere by the commentators, maybe?
Salem number 3 of the world?! LOL wtf are these commentators
Tbh, it was cool and very entertaining seeing the commentator trying to talk to the participant (Salem), lol!
Maybe Salem should have done more research
Salem should’ve just went Shulk
Just watched this live, wtf Salem lmao
is coney drunk?
The level of unprofessionalism of this commentator on the left is sad. Creating more drama in a community that doesn't need it. Do your job please we aren't entertained by your cries for attention. This game is about the players, not you.
@@Tokeezy He called him "Commentator to the left" he doesn't have a clue whats actually happening here.
Kwai Brown 🤣 facts
Yall wild lmao.
oh boy they mentioned melee in Salem's set, now he has to be reminded of that which he hates the most if he wants to re-watch it lmao
Katie E he hates the community, NOT the game, he literally explained it in the original twit-longer. And no, I’m not defending any crap he’s done since, but I’m tired of seeing this same comment taken out of context.
@@spamminspiff7685 Sorry dude, I guess I didn't remember it all with great accuracy. I kinda assumed that, since he said that melee shouldn't be considered a smash game, he both didn't like the game and the community- I'm likely wrong, though.
I don't hate the guy, because I don't /actually/ know him or anyone from the scene with any depth lmao, I was just making a joke without thinking about it too much. Again, sorry if I misinterpreted anything that went down/what was said.
Katie E Wow, this is actually the most amount of niceness, respectfulness, and stuff that I’ve seen on the internet for a long time, color me surprised. Also, to answer your other question, based on what he said in the Twit-longer, he overall hates the part of the Melee community who only stick to Melee and don’t branch out to other Smash games. I hope I didn’t come off as stand-off-ish in my previous comment. I will say that I personally don’t hate Salem, but overtime he’s been making it harder to not dislike him, due to so comments he’s made to other top-level players since then.
@@spamminspiff7685 Nah it's okay, you shouldn't feel sorry. I shouldn't have inferred or made assumptions in regards to Salem's opinions when I don't know all of the facts- it's never good to develop an argument when the information that you have is limited. I'll be careful about that in the future.
Personally, I don't see any problem with some player sticking to melee (over the later games) if they have the most passion for it and like it the most. In saying that, I really dislike the people who actively mock and ridicule the other games... that's just childish and mean. Even though I prefer melee over the other editions, I still enjoy watching Ultimate and I'm of the opinion that every smash game has merit in some aspects.
Everybody should have the freedom to voice their opinion, and some of what Salem has said is completely fair to say even if I don't personally agree. I do think that it was cruel of him to call out a bunch of players; calling Armada a 'one-trick' and undermining the legacy that he built over the years is one example of this, and telling him that he should just be 'making content' instead of competing made me really sad for him.
All in all, I just wish that the communities can find a way to get along and show each other respect :)
Katie E honestly I agree with what you say here, although one thing I want to add, I feel if the community stopped bringing it up and bothering Salem with it as well, Salem might end up stop doing all the stuff he’s been doing all together (hopefully), because the fact the people consistently ridicule him even when it doesn’t concern a specific isn’t exactly going to make him stop, in fact it’ll probably egg him on. The fact that some of the top players, who many view as role models, are also doing the same thing of bringing it back up (mostly Leffen, not surprisingly, but Armada has been as well every now and then). At this point, this is just become an endless cycle of ridicule and name calling that will never need because neither side can shut up. I personally am a big fan of Salem as player, he’s a really good player and you can tell how well he understands the game, but even I know that as a person, Salem really needs to shut up as well; and so does the community, cause like I said, the community is not helping one bit.
Coney was acting a fool lol
Bayo is in the same realm as sheik. They need help but if you help them they’re busted af
Factual
Cause they suck defensively but have a ridiculous offense kinda like pichu and it's so annoying facing those characters
It’s hard as hell to finish this video just because I hated to commentary.
Suarez is a great player but he’s the watching paint dry of commentary
different guy
So Coney can't compete OR do commentary now?
One of the reasons I dislike Coney
Game 1: Coney was right to respond how he did.
Between G1 and G2: Coney was reacting too strongly. Vikki's "Help Me" was justified.
G2: Can y'all just commentate the fucking match. 3rd commentatoe wtf dude can you stop looking for a fight. Coney stop looking for a joke when people are being serious, enough of the passive-aggressive shit, and commentate the game.
Between G2 and G3: Coney learned his mistake a little too late.
G3: Thank you Vikki for commentating properly. Coney watch your words a little more carefully because commentator 3 is looking for a fight and would have instigated one if he wasn't so focused on interrupting you this game. Commentator 3 we get it you like Melee can you stfu and focus on the game, not the onomonapaeia that Coney makes?
Between G3 and G4: Commentator 3 take a fucking joke and stop looking for a fight. Vikki thank you for being focused.
G4: Proper commentary for the most part until late game where commentator 3 tries to start a fight Vikki just won't pick up.
Fucking commentate. That's what you're there for. Don't make jokes at the beginning of G1, that's where viewers have the most attention. Don't try to start arguments, you are there for the players and game, not your personal interests. Don't make a joke at your fellow commentator's expense unless you too are friends outside of that setting. For fuck's sake this ws horrendous to listen to. Watching without volume on was so much more enjoyable it's ridiculous.
BBBBBBBBOOSH
That fucking guy killing the vibe. Should have been just Vikki and Coney
Y’all have to realize that this isn’t a very important tournament and most players are pretty much just winding down after Big House. Salem threw this match and because of that Coney stopped caring. It’s impossible to commentate a set and make it seem hype if one of the players just wants to go home.
Ryan H what makes you think he threw the match? Salem isn’t good enough to beat Marss so he lost period, I love coney but he was acting kinda toxic this set even before the first game was over, coney didn’t stop giving a fuck during the set he stopped giving a fuck before it even started, he was probably drunk
Bry Boy This game isn’t polarizing enough to simply “lose to a player because you’re that much worse”. Salem isn’t as good, but he stands a legitimate chance against Mars. What makes me say he “threw” the game is the fact that he didn’t play any of his mains the entire game.
@@ryanh1013 Maybe because he trained for this match up and knows better than us that Snake wouldn't work well?
Anyway, Coney was weird during most top 8 sets... particularly on this one.
DarkThomy He played ZSS against the best ZSS in the world lmao how could he not have thrown the match?
@@ryanh1013 Let's say you know your ZSS is obviously worst than the one you're facing.
But, considering all your characters, it is actually the best chance you'd have.
There it is. Fighting the best ZSS with you still-in-training one without voluntarily "throwing the game".
For example.
What the fuck is wrong with Coney LOL
Coney either feels total guilt for being disruptive or he is so salty for being silenced, because he had the most uncomfortable expression on his face.
Let this be a lesson on not making a jackass of yourself when you are a professional.
who keeps hiring coney for these events?
salem been talkin to captain zack
Jeff Neumann LOL
Factssss and uh it's kinda cringe
Was waiting for Coney to get punched. Was he drunk?