To my eyes the Viper HD is the value sweet spot in the Vortex lineup. The Diamondbacks are sharp but I can spot color fringing pretty easily whenever I look through one. The Viper HD is much better in this regard. The Razors are better still but it's less about correcting defects and more about further refinement of the image. Of course as Mike said each person's eyes will discern these optical changes differently.
I know.. right? Is there no way to "see" through the lens on video. Obviously it's not going to be wicked precise but would give you some representation I bet. Maybe I just needed a more basic intro video. Will keep looking.
@@kylepawelczyk163 obviously. But that doesn't mean it's a helpful video to the consumer. I'm sure for most folks, $1500 binocs are not something you purchase lightly, if at all.
I totally agree about cost and quality, once you get use to the finer things, going down to a less quality glass makes you appreciate the higher quality.
The Viper model fights well above it's weight class and is the sweet spot for most hunters. It's a price most hunters are okay with and I don't think you can beat it at that price. They're so good even they have to give them the honorable mention on a podcast about why you should buy their most expensive ones.
Bino's are really an individual thing. As discussed in this video, everyone's eyes are different. I am fortunate enough to have a pair of Swarovski SLC 8x42 HD binos. I also have a few pair of Vortex Crossfire's and Diamondbacks (all 8x42). For the $$ I think the Diamondback is a good bino. No it isn't as nice as some of the higher end Vortex's but the ROI get much smaller as you go up in price.
I will agree on the small differences between models. Between my viper and my Buddy’s diamondback hd, there isn’t a big jump in discernible difference between them.
Totally agree with you. Intensively looked through both (12x50), but did not see any difference or maybe a very small difference. But it is very hard to see it. A few months later, I compared the Diamondback and Viper spotting scopes (20-60x85). They use the same glass as the binoculars. With the big magnifications I could see the difference much better. So, it takes real big magnifications, before you see the limits of the Diamondback-glass. At small objects at large distances it became clear. For example: branches at 2 miles away are getting vague with the Diamonback and were significant sharper with the Viper.
I have not compared the different Vipers side by side. But I have a Viper HD 6x32 from 2012. Japan made and a true keeper I will never will get rid of. And I was dissapointed when I tried Viper HD 8x42 and found it has not sufficient eye relief for eyeglasses for me. Vortex has sacrified eye relief in order to get wider field of view.
I'd like to remove my eyeglasses or safety glasses at the range for spotting, but we can't take off eye glasses at the shooting range to look thru binoculars.
I'm disappointed. You didn't go through the lineup once. You mentioned only one concrete distinguishing feature of one of the binos in 16 minutes of rambling.
Ha sido muy interesante. Saber que unos ojos apreciarán mas que otros la diferencia de calidad. Y que es en mala luz donde más se destacan los supremos. Gracias.
Sportsman werehouse had the vortex diamondback(non hd) 10x42 $129 Black Friday deal.. they also had the vortex triumph hd for 99.00 would the triumph be an upgrade since they have hd optics?
I tried both of them out yesterday With the florescent lighting inside, for me they seem very similar in image quality and brightness in center lens but would say the diamondback (non hd) had a little advantage on the lens being tad sharper/clear on the outer edge lens/off center
I do own the diamondback HD and they are definitely brighter and way clear from center lens to off center lens, my eyes feel more relaxed at longer glassing times
Great presentation, I have a pair of Diamondback 12-50. The thing that sold me the most was their warranty, lost, stolen, dropped off a cliff or fell off the ATV. They will be replaced.
Vortex WILL NOT replace stolen & lost binoculars! Just think about it a little and you'll realize it would be impossible to honor such a ridiculously loose warranty!
I don't understand why there would be information that only talking to a sales rep would you ever find out. How is not everything about the product that a consumer should know to use to differentiate between products not even in the manuals?
NEVER buy binoculars with 10x magnification and a small field of view!! No matter what it costs, you won't be happy with it. By the way, I once had a Leica 10x42.
actually have to agree with some of the comments. This video was pretty useless. I mean theres some information I didnt know about, like some of the math talk the Vortex guy went over. But the title made the assumption you would actually compare the differences of the Vortex range lines of a typical 10x42. All I heard outside of the tech talk was buy the UHD. Of course theyre gonna pedal their top of the line offering. Stupid vid, no information really on what you get from each line. Shame.
What are you paying for when the crossfire HD is exactly the same as the regular crossfire. You’re paying for AD hype and getting nothing for your money. Vortex needs to stop this practice immediately. Do it again and many will never trust or buy Vortex again.
Vortex are Chinese made garbage. And they do not stand by their warranty - multiple friends of mine have had issues with their optics, and then further issues with their “hidden” stipulations for the repair. Go with Leupold, far better glass, and customer service that will actually help you.
Noone normal wants or need to kill animals. You shouldn't promote it. I don't believe thats its legal either. I wondering about Vortex 8x28 because i don't like to adjust eyes distans or aiming into huge eyepieces like a noob.
To my eyes the Viper HD is the value sweet spot in the Vortex lineup. The Diamondbacks are sharp but I can spot color fringing pretty easily whenever I look through one. The Viper HD is much better in this regard. The Razors are better still but it's less about correcting defects and more about further refinement of the image. Of course as Mike said each person's eyes will discern these optical changes differently.
This talk came out a little bit like, buy the $1500 razors, and there was relatively little talk about anything else.
I know.. right? Is there no way to "see" through the lens on video. Obviously it's not going to be wicked precise but would give you some representation I bet. Maybe I just needed a more basic intro video. Will keep looking.
That’s because they don’t have to pay for them, it’s free
@@kylepawelczyk163 obviously. But that doesn't mean it's a helpful video to the consumer. I'm sure for most folks, $1500 binocs are not something you purchase lightly, if at all.
8x42, 10x50, or 12x56 - I'd start there.
Vortex is Chinese made garbage. Their warranted is not what they claim either. Go with Leupold.
There may be little differences between the models, but it comes down to: Are the Razor UHD 10 times better than the Crossfire for 10 times the price?
Vortex is Chinese made garbage. Their “warranty” is a lie as well.
I totally agree about cost and quality, once you get use to the finer things, going down to a less quality glass makes you appreciate the higher quality.
The Viper model fights well above it's weight class and is the sweet spot for most hunters. It's a price most hunters are okay with and I don't think you can beat it at that price. They're so good even they have to give them the honorable mention on a podcast about why you should buy their most expensive ones.
Great job guys and gals! really enjoyed this educational video on binoculars, learned a few things and I am grateful to you all. GOD Bless!
Bino's are really an individual thing. As discussed in this video, everyone's eyes are different. I am fortunate enough to have a pair of Swarovski SLC 8x42 HD binos. I also have a few pair of Vortex Crossfire's and Diamondbacks (all 8x42). For the $$ I think the Diamondback is a good bino. No it isn't as nice as some of the higher end Vortex's but the ROI get much smaller as you go up in price.
So, where are the porros. It would have been nice to have your raptors there to compare against these
I will agree on the small differences between models. Between my viper and my Buddy’s diamondback hd, there isn’t a big jump in discernible difference between them.
Totally agree with you. Intensively looked through both (12x50), but did not see any difference or maybe a very small difference. But it is very hard to see it. A few months later, I compared the Diamondback and Viper spotting scopes (20-60x85). They use the same glass as the binoculars. With the big magnifications I could see the difference much better. So, it takes real big magnifications, before you see the limits of the Diamondback-glass. At small objects at large distances it became clear. For example: branches at 2 miles away are getting vague with the Diamonback and were significant sharper with the Viper.
Thanks for info! Made it make sense!
My Japan made Viper HDs were awesome, the newer Chinese ones are not as good
I have not compared the different Vipers side by side. But I have a Viper HD 6x32 from 2012. Japan made and a true keeper I will never will get rid of.
And I was dissapointed when I tried Viper HD 8x42 and found it has not sufficient eye relief for eyeglasses for me. Vortex has sacrified eye relief in order to get wider field of view.
I find the 2nd Gen Viper HD better than the original 1st Gen models, Japanese or otherwise.
I wish you talked more about field of view and apparent FOV
Sig zulu vs vortex?
Why isn't there a list of the bino models in the description? Never seen this important info not listed before...aggravating.
Shocking, those who sell the binos all say to buy themost expensive. WEIRD!
If they weren't able to say that, they probably shouldn't be making them!
I'd like to remove my eyeglasses or safety glasses at the range for spotting, but we can't take off eye glasses at the shooting range to look thru binoculars.
Copperhead 👍
Yes I'm from the future
I'm disappointed. You didn't go through the lineup once. You mentioned only one concrete distinguishing feature of one of the binos in 16 minutes of rambling.
Ha sido muy interesante.
Saber que unos ojos apreciarán mas que otros la diferencia de calidad. Y que es en mala luz donde más se destacan los supremos. Gracias.
Nice geek out, guy in the black jacket needs a grease board to show us all the ray tracing.
Sportsman werehouse had the vortex diamondback(non hd) 10x42 $129 Black Friday deal.. they also had the vortex triumph hd for 99.00 would the triumph be an upgrade since they have hd optics?
I tried both of them out yesterday
With the florescent lighting inside, for me they seem very similar in image quality and brightness in center lens but would say the diamondback (non hd) had a little advantage on the lens being tad sharper/clear on the outer edge lens/off center
I do own the diamondback HD and they are definitely brighter and way clear from center lens to off center lens, my eyes feel more relaxed at longer glassing times
thanks for the insight!! Having owned Leupold before,(10 years ago), I decided on the Leupold BX-2 Alpines! But thank you for your input! @@brons5256
No the triumphs are ass, go with the old school DB’s
Triumphs are spectacular for $99
Yeh just like a rifle scope magnification thanks for that 😂
5 different 10x42 from the same brand! It seems a bit overkill. Is there any other brand with so many options of same configuration?
Triumph HD
The lens came loose in my Diamondbacks and is literally bouncing around inside, junk
Too much talking in circles to wear you down to spending the big bucks
Great presentation, I have a pair of Diamondback 12-50. The thing that sold me the most was their warranty, lost, stolen, dropped off a cliff or fell off the ATV. They will be replaced.
They'll replace stolen? Lol
@aquaman6081 and probably they gonna send him $100 for stress
Seriously lost? Seriously lost? Because that’s unheard of!
Their warranty does not say it will replace a set that's been lost.
Vortex WILL NOT replace stolen & lost binoculars! Just think about it a little and you'll realize it would be impossible to honor such a ridiculously loose warranty!
I don't understand why there would be information that only talking to a sales rep would you ever find out. How is not everything about the product that a consumer should know to use to differentiate between products not even in the manuals?
NEVER buy binoculars with 10x magnification and a small field of view!! No matter what it costs, you won't be happy with it. By the way, I once had a Leica 10x42.
actually have to agree with some of the comments. This video was pretty useless. I mean theres some information I didnt know about, like some of the math talk the Vortex guy went over. But the title made the assumption you would actually compare the differences of the Vortex range lines of a typical 10x42. All I heard outside of the tech talk was buy the UHD. Of course theyre gonna pedal their top of the line offering. Stupid vid, no information really on what you get from each line. Shame.
What are you paying for when the crossfire HD is exactly the same as the regular crossfire. You’re paying for AD hype and getting nothing for your money. Vortex needs to stop this practice immediately. Do it again and many will never trust or buy Vortex again.
Vortex are Chinese made garbage. And they do not stand by their warranty - multiple friends of mine have had issues with their optics, and then further issues with their “hidden” stipulations for the repair. Go with Leupold, far better glass, and customer service that will actually help you.
That’s crazy everything I’ve read people say they have the best warranty I’ll have to look into that….
Never had an issue with Vortex warranty. Quick turnaround no questions asked.
Noone normal wants or need to kill animals. You shouldn't promote it. I don't believe thats its legal either. I wondering about Vortex 8x28 because i don't like to adjust eyes distans or aiming into huge eyepieces like a noob.
Why the women are note say everything
This is a mans sport
That’s my sister. It’s because she had a migraine and cramps