MARSHALL JCM800 vs PLEXI - New STUDIO CLASSIC vs. STUDIO VINTAGE
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Awesome sound and video!
2:41 JCM 800 Tone King
6:23 JCM 800 Evin
9:00 Plexi (no patch)
10:06 Plexi (patched)
I love my JCM800 100 watt Combo. I've had it since the mid 80s. It's a beast and still completely reliable. I just put in through an attenuator for in the house.
For what it's worth, the originals sound quite distinct from each other. I am fortunate to own one of each. If you open up the JCM800's master volume and keep the preamp fairly low (5 or less), it can get very close to the sound of a late 60's JMP plexi panel Super Lead.
thanks
I have a ‘77 JMP 2203 and I stumbled upon that exact same tone. Gain to around 5 and just turn it up. They sound amazing.
@@colevanwoert9958 77 JMP is way better than JCM 800. I do not like JCM 800 or any of the newer ones after that. I just like the plexi tone ones.
@@michaelcraig9449 you are absolutely incorrect....in 1977 Marshall made many JMP models. MkII superlead 100 and MkII master lead 100 were 2 of the most popular. Do you own either of these amps? From a builders standpoint the 2 amps are virtually identical after the first pre amp tube. The main difference between a superlead and a Masterlead is the masterlead has a cascading gain stage in V1. Where the superlead uses 1/2 of the 12ax7 for the normal channel and the other 1/2 of the 12ax7 for the bright channel. With that being said, if you plug in to the low input of a master lead, then turn the master volume all the way up with the preamp control set to your liking. You will essentially have the bright channel of the superlead. So to say a JMP is better then a JCM800 is incorrect. A JMP masterlead 100 is a JCM800......it is the same exact circuit.
as an owner of both a JTM45 and a JCM800 i have to say that i LOVE these little studio jobs. i'll be bold and say that my Origin 20 gets plugged in more often than the other 2. thanks for showcasing the sounds of these little monsters!
You can't imagine how loud these amps are until you hear them in person😬
I couldn‘t play my SV20H without an attenuator 🤣
Running it through an attenuator makes it glorious.
Awesome! I was waiting for this video to be up.
Phillip McKnight I bet they like it when he rolls in with his gear! Great publicity for my favorite local store.
next up will be the Silver Jubilee vs. the JCM800. Can't recall where I saw that video already. ;-)
That is cool you both watch the videos and comments of one another.
@@Michaelgracon and they both have the worst tones on RUclips. Bird of a feather
Sorry to be so off topic but does anyone know a method to get back into an instagram account??
I stupidly forgot the login password. I appreciate any help you can offer me!
Love the sound of the JCM800. Thanks TK for your earlier introduction of the PedalPal JCM800 Emulator. Got mine and gigged with it last week, it rocks!
I bought one myself yesterday. Been looking for that sound in a pedal for a long time and I am glad I found it. Can't wait for it to arrive. The wampler plexidrive deluxe somehow don't do it for me.
Got a plexi version last week, gig this weekend! Yay
I’m definitely liking the JCM better. Thanks for the video, TTK & ROCK ON! 🤘🏻
I like the JCM as well. You're always welcome! \m/
I've played both, but brought the JCM 800.
The Plexi has cool tones, but not everyone can crank them to 10, as even in 5watt mode, these amps are amazingly loud.
However, without the use of any pedals, the JCM has the ability to cover most sounds I want, something the Plexi can't.
If you like the 60s-70s, get the plexi.
If you want to rock around the world, it's the JCM all the way!
JCM900 SL-X all the way. The JCM800 needs a booster or mods.
@@kameel68 had a JCM 900. Didn’t gel with it.
I prefer the 800, and added boost pedal. Gets me to where I want to be
@@gazbaker6803 Did you have the HiGain Dual Reverb or the SL-X?
@@kameel68 it was an early 90s original 900 I brought new. Can’t remember much else about it.
@@gazbaker6803 Did it have reverb?
Love these, but I’ll continue to use my 100 watt jcm with my 1960a and 1960b cabs....why?........BECAUSE I CAN!! Rock n roll🕶🎶✌🏻🙉
The perfect rig for playing those Sunday brunch social gatherings at the Senior Citizens retirement home 🍵 🤶
Finally the comparison I’ve been fucking dying to see for 2 damn weeks!!!! Thanks man!!!!! Please try to get a comparison between the Studio vintage vs the Origin 20! 🤘🏻🤘🏻🤘🏻
I like JCM but I was 10 in 1980 so that has probably something engrained in the sound of hearing the 80s guitar hero decade . But Plexi is killer as well AC/DC , Zepp , Mountain type thing
I did not walk away with much from this demo. But it is nice to know that these amps exist.
They both sound great with the volume cranked up. I’d love to have one of each but my neighbors may not agree. ;-)
it is Loud for sure I just bought a 100 watt Marshall DSL H100 amp head oh boy here we go
It’s 2020 dude, get an attenuator.
SRV used a Marshall for CLEAN tones, the Vibroverb or Super Reverb for overdriven sounds (supposedly?). It would have been nice to hear some clean tones too. Hendrix got a beautiful clean tone out of Marshall amps........
Got the Plexi head yesterday, connect it with an OX, push it with a tubescreamer or whatever and you good.i could not find the car yet. anyways, the price point is so sane I'll get the JCM anyways once it's out :)
I have both of these as well and anyone saying the plexi can’t hang with the JCM800 don’t know how to use it Lol I rattle the windows in my basement with both of them they both our killer and loud
and have the thump I’m going to make a video of both of the amps running through a full stack
TC electronic 2240 through the front with a TC sustainer Eq another modded boss Eq GE-7 in the fx loop with a delay I will see what I have for Mic’s
to get the best for internet RUclips comparisons
and I will play them loud and proud Lol I will be back .. Thanks guys for taking the time to show these Marshall amps off they our killer amps
🤘
On the JCM 800, the high sensitivity and low sensitivity inputs are vastly different.
If you like this video, check out BLACKSTAR vs. MARSHALL: ruclips.net/video/22ToVBZJGGM/видео.html.
FULL TIME STAMP INDEX to this video here: 2:42 JCM800, 3:48 JCM800 less gain, 4:20 JCM800 more gain, 4:53 JCM800 low setting, 5:30 JCM800 high setting, 6:23 Evan on the JCM800, 7:32 Evan JCM800 low setting, 8:03 Evan JCM800 high setting, 9:01 Plexi treble channel, 9:300 normal (bass) channel, 10:03 Plexi jumped channels (blended).
Damn, this is the vid I’ve been looking forward to. I was on the Vintage bandwagon, but the JCM might have won me over. Looking forward to seeing the Jubilee!
SMH That standby switch is also a pentode triode switch, low setting is 5w and high setting is 20w. These amps is called studio for a reason, they are designed to sound good at any volume.
What are my thoughts? I'm glad that the Tone King isn't dialling in my sound! 😀 Seriously, good review!
I owned a 50 and a 100 watt Plexi back in 1970 so I've had my eye on the 20 watt Studio version but after hearing it next to the JCM800 I'm liking it more.
It's a tough choice between the two. Seems even the 5w modes put out a ton of volume, maybe even too much for home use, and the SV really wants to be cranked to get that tasty juice. I'm wondering if the SC can get close to the SV tone by adjusting the gain knob down?
@@montag4516 Good question, hope someone will chime in. Do you think in 5w mode it will keep up with a drummer?
Great demo, guys. I'm in the market for a new small club rig and have had my eye on the Marshall Studio amps since they came out a year ago. Based on this, I'm definitely favoring the JCM 800. See you at the store before too long.
Great demo U got ears, there tone sucks what's great ,about anything , they don't know what there doing, tone wise and he calls himself the tone king people like you telling people good job when it's crap job
@@benjaminwatson7166
I like Bob's accent. I heard about your store when I started working at Strings &Things/Denver in 1972. You guy's had a great reputation from customers that would come in the Store from as we would say "back east". Even better than Manny's or Sam Ash. Many eastern customers would make the trip to DC just because they could see everything and were treated nice.
I would love to have the Vintage Plexi.
JCM 800 sounds sweet!
This really is a very nice demo. That Pexi sound is georgeous, tough the normal channel is very dark and spongy.
With a set of vintage 25 watt greenbacks marshall is KING PERIOD!!
Not the Chinese reissue either.
Should have put the plexi on 10 in the low wattage mode at least?
A plexi sounds great if you crank them up. They are not for the timid!
Definitely the JCM 800. I had my 1981 modded by Anthony’s Electronics in Chicago. I have an extra stage, a CLEAN CHANNEL which I use my JCM 2000 foot switch for, I have a built in effects loop, and a built in “attenuator” that isn’t like the old power soaks. Then I have another dial on the back that tweaks (if you want it) the compression from the head to the cabinet.
This is the coolest amp I ever owned. I’ve had other 1981 JCM 800 50 watts (ALWAYS) but when amp modeling seemed to be the way everything was going, and clubs when I was at my peak would laugh at you if you were a cover band. We were all original by 1985. We were offered a record deal by getting on “THE TAPE” at the 1986 “New Music Seminar” in New York City. Hard Rock/Metal ruled the eighties but we were the only metal band out of bands nation wide to get on “The Tape” which was handed out to anyone who was anybody in the record industry. This was all pre-internet. The contacts we listed alphabetically inside the seminar magazine.
But to my point, I have had an ISP THETA PRO which had more problems that it was worth. But when you’re doing covers, you needed the ability to quickly change your tones. I got tired of doing the stomp box tap dance! I’ve had so e earlier Line 6 stuff which was easy to operate but it just didn’t cut it.
Then I bought a HELIX and I would be swallowed up by a tube amp no matter how loud I was.
So, here I have that standard old school JCM 800 50 watt tone and the ability to have the EXACT STOMP BOXES I LIKE. I have a large Voo-Doo Lab pedal board with a interface and a midi pedal programmed to turn on the pedals I program it to do and quiet would be an understatement.
This guy does these mods for $800 dollars.
I am not a fan of bands like Slayer or Venom, but he endorses me and both of them and a guitarist out here that took what Michael Batio Angelo did to a whole new level. You can find him on Facebook at Anthony’s Electronics or Anthony the Amp Man. You won’t regret doing this or “not molesting an Amp that is a one trick pony” that I picked up my last one for $1200 dollars. I even was able to keep the original circuit board which I can start at about $600 dollars for. They have reissues but they aren’t the same. Just like the 1981 JCM 800 was the first year the jacks were vertical and the last year they were hand wired. I don’t when they stopped using the Drake Transformers. But if I was to mod the JCM 2000, the first thing to go would be the transformer and the tubes.
Marshall needs to get in touch with this guy who modified theirs and many other amps. He’s a brilliant 40 something technician who has his own trade secrets.
If you call him, tell him Mark sent you. Maybe he’ll shave something off the price.
That master volume really sounds good.
The plexi needs an attenuator. I did it. The eq is effected but can be dialed back to a normal tone. I cant complain. I love it. I might get the 800 too. But it might be a waste. Not sure if it will sound as good. And the plexi should be dimed. Ask Eddie
With the Plexi you can run an external volume pedal or a multi fx system in the FX loop and use that as your master volume..that way you can get the tone at low levels.
Does it works well?
@@vitohw yes it does.
I done a tour in the late 80's with a 100 Watt Superbass and 2 4x12's, this thing was a Weapon, and I only used it on Stage, you don't need a quarter of that volumes for Gigs these days unless it is an outside festival. I still use Marshall's, if they need fixed I can drive to the Factory and get fixed on the day, I also have a Katana 100 2x12 which is great value, and various lower watt amps, my first choice is still the Marshall, like oak furniture, all valve Marshalls will outlive the owner, and sound brilliant.
I know, I know, they're Marshalls, but you should have started off with a disclaimer by saying, if you want to listen to clean sounds, go see our reviews on Fender amps because we ain't gunna do clean sounds here. And if you say it's common to you dial the JCM to 7s, then then it's common to dime a plexi (ie.dial it 10s). And on the dimed plexi, if you want a clean sound, just roll off the volume on the guitar - I think it would have been good to show this feature for a better comparison. Good video. Thks.
Exactly.. The Plexi is fantastic sounding when you roll off. They missed the boat on this totally
When i was 18 in 1989, i got a Fender Princeton Chours combo amp. It had 2x10's and it was heavy. This is up from a Schafer & Sons 1x10 combo amp that i was using with DOD Distortion pedal. In my 20's i still had the fender amp until i sold it and i went down to a Peavey Rage 108 1x10 combo amp. Later on after a 10+ hiatus, i got a Traynor 1x10 combo and a Epiphone G400 guitar. That was 15+ years ago.
The best thing Marshall have done in years! I’m not sure which one I prefer but they both sound great!
After owning a 50 watt Marshall straight head for years I always thought the JCM800 was a joke that didn't even come close to a 50 watt JMP straight head with EL34's because it had no tone while soundman from all over the US said I had the best sounding 50 watt Marshall they ever heard hands down.
I've always wanted a Plexi so I'm saving my pennies for this Bad Boy ! Thanks TK !
Do it, your friends will be jealous for sure haha
I have one, you wont be disappointed
I've heard this plexi with all knobs at 10, it's super so yeah that's my pick.
Thanks Louis. I was digging the 800 more.
I worked at guitar center playing plexiglass reissues everyday and I own a 67 plexiglass super lead with 68 cab greenbacks and a real plexiglass sounds very different. It is because of the transformer. The reissues sound nothing like the real deal. I had a 68 and 69 but prefer my 67 which I will be buried with. The 67 has a creamy woody like tone nothing like the reissue. I paid 5800 in US in 2002 and now is almost worth 10k I think. But would never sell it, Thank you to a real Marshall plexiglass amen.
Guitar centers
Near me
Never have anything good always small practice amps. So annoying
Southern California guitar center is all about vintage gear with guitars. Tons of vintage guitars and amps. I was at one in Oregon and it had no gear so location is everything.
I'm old, so Plexi.
haha. Plexi did sound tasty!
Great for Classic rock Allman Brothers, Eagles, Mountain kinda stuff.
I am 36 but I would also go with Plexi. The JCM 800 has way too much gain for my needs.
Bob Boitt a plexi with the right pedal will get you anywhere you want to go
Mood Switch I have a pre jcm800 master model 100W (2203). What I have found is that it is much more compressed with less headroom. Using a boost pedal does not boost the volume much is at all if the preamp is turned up. They have a low gain input but it does not have the breadth of jumpering the channels together on a plexi. All you need with a plexi is a good dirt pedal and you are good to go.
Plexi is just not practical for most people because of how loud it is.
I would actually recommend everyone listen to the new Blackstar 20 Mark 2
It has 2 clean voices and 2 dirt. I was pleasantly surprised with it
Just checked it out. Hard to beat the price point of $549 with all the options.
They should have stuck with Pentode configuration on the EL34's like the 50 watt 2204's are. Fatter power amp dynamics when cranked. Pentode push pull that is. Not saying it is bad amp, because it is a cool little 20 watt JCM800. The wood craft is top notch as always over there in England.
I need the Plexi! It will be mine..oh yes it will be.
No love for the plexi? It was all JCM.
They should do a 20 watt 1987x . The 1987 is a different beast from earlier super leads . Tighter and more gain with a bolder low end . I would buy a 20/5 watt 1987 in a heart beat . I would also love to see some 5/1 watt versions of classic amps . I know all the studio amps have 5 watt settings but it's not the same as an actual 5 watt amp with the volume up.
There were decades of Marshall before the 800 came out. He acts like the 800 was the first amp Marshall made that was worth anything. lol
The Plexi is Marshall but you need to as Mr. Van Zant would say "Turn it Up"
I would prefer the plexi for great sound.
The “Wattage Selector” isn’t on the back. It’s part of the standby switch on the front. The only way to use the Plexi is channels jumped and turned up loud.
@68’ Rumble Bee You cant crank it, you have to use a pedal.
Really appreciate the advice, I play at home and can't "up the volume " i will stick to my dsl 5 and pedals
love the jcm 800
They both do their thing.. JCM 800 for heavier rock/metal and Plexi for more raunchy blues rock .. both of them rock..
i want the plexi and no one ever mentions the awesome smell of a marshall
Hot tolex & plywood. Mmmmm. If only I could find incense in that flavor.
Crank the plexi model. The 800 was cool but crank that plexi.
at least put it on low power and dime everything for us,,,
meow bastard jerkoff
What is the point to crank the Plexi, you just can't do it, you have to put the pedal in front of it.
Plexi with a decent attenuator sounds immense.
Not being a fan of attenuators I'm wondering if using a 12at7 or 5751 in preamp valve 2 position could tame down the volume when nessesary but still crank the volume knob to hit that classic cranked tone.
@@montag4516 You will still have the same problem of no volume control if you want the proper cranked plexi sound. I use a Marshall powerbrake and it's the most transparent of the attenuators I've tried. Better than the Aracom and the bad cat. Used with my 1959SLP it sounded far superior to my JMP2204...truly a glorious sound to behold.
I wouldn’t mind a JTM45 Studio ;)
Hey buddy. If Marshall stays the course - it may come. Who knows!
They won't waste their time remanufacturing it and re-releasing it as Studio Vintage. That amp is 30 watts in it's original format already...
Both The plexi and 800 are beasts
Man, I really appreciate your videos. The one on the set up of the red squire at Washington music center was great too! I wish I had a music store like that near me!
Plexi without a doubt, but crank it!! The best thing Marshall has done in years...
I still use 4 4x12 1960 cabs and 2 jcm 2000 100 watt heads n stereo...not loud but powerful.....not to mention looks killer!
I’ll take one of each!
Right on.. they both are cool..
A gibson into a jcm800...does it get better...
Thanks . I ordered the SC20H today.
Wow! They sound amazing!
Plexi sounds so much better in other reviews I've watched, it has better clarity usually
Yeah they made it sound like crap in this demo!
Having both of these would be so sick. actually the plexi and jubilee would be even cooler
So happy to see this comparison. Thanks TK.
I love the dirt of the plexi. Love that old Marshall sound AND Funkadelic used the orginal plexi on the older LPs. I live in a condo apartment but I STILL want the plexi 😆
Get it man, I see its been a year so if you got it...then yes!! If not...get it! Its gone up 300 bux though ,inflation my guess. Its so damn good
I’m also looking at the plexus it’s grit and clarity is sufficient for most rock. It’s not overly fizzy or anything . I just can’t decide what attenuator I feel they all have things that alter sound
Each of those amplifiers has its place. I have not had the chance to play either of the 20W models. I like the idea of the smaller lighter stack. I would encourage anyone who is serious about purchasing either of these to try them at your local music store. The plexi will probably need a dirt pedal but will play well with it. Johan Segeborn just did a video using a boss 7 band eq pedal in front of a plexi. You should see how well he nailed VH and Slash sounds. The JCM800 should give you 80s hair band sounds but even your favorite headbangers typically used od or dirt pedals in front of them. A JCM800 can get a little mushy with the gain set too high. All knobs on 7 is probably not the best setting. I also found that the sound improved when I lowered my pickups.
Thanks for the head-to-head comparison; JCM 800 has my vote.
Although, I still love my DSL20HR and cab!
Damn they both sound amazing !!!
People have been asking for a 20w jcm 800 for a long time. I want one
Buy a Mesa Mark V 25. You can. Get all the Marshall tones. Plexi,800,Jubilee. You can. Get all the great vintage Fender tones. You also get all the great Mark Series tones. From the the best cleans,OD 's to the meanest full out distortion. You do not need to stick a OD pedal in front of these. 25 watts down to 10watts. El84 ,to be spring reverb,bufferd effects loop. CabClone Di for recording. Such a versatile little amp that sounds way huge.
I like the JCM800. I like the idea of the Low / Standby / High switch
Which one is the studio classic and which is studio vintage?
the answer is yes.
Plexi everytime!🤘😎
Did you guys read the manuals?
They should make a Studio version of the JCM900 SL-X.
JCM 800 has more head room but the plexi has a bit more tone.
lol, that blackstar on the right just sitting there like "honey, I shrunk the kids first" :D
20 watt mini heads, mdf feather cabs, neck beards and Tats are the nu-merica rocker. 20watt amps suck ass. Tone has to be worked for. Get a stack and a pickup truck and get to work.
I hear my mother stomping on the ceiling.
The amp ain’t loud enough if you still hear your mom
I have an original Marshall jcm800 4010 50watt combo I'd love to hear side by side. I really dig the Jcm800 studio though seems pretty sweet!
Definitely the JCM, but I still prefer the silver Jubilee over both the Plexi and the JCM.
On other videos Marshall states that these new amps are triode power scaling configuration. But the bigger JCM 800's are Pentode push pull configuration in the power amp section. I would have preferred Pentode configuration on the EL34's in these new JCM 800's. The dynamics in the power amp have changed slightly. But It is built with great stuff so I think I like the mini JCM800 and it rocks in the videos. A stock 800 voicing that is. The rest is in your fingers I would think.
The_Swoletariat Me too! Love my jub!
One of these days I'm gonna throw down for one of these, but I still haven't decided which one. I love both sounds, but I like them for different applications. In the meantime my DSL will get close-ish to both between the red and green channels, so at least I'm not suffering until then xD
So, Chumley of the pawn stars plays guitar.
800 for me got the haunting Marshall sound ......Paul kossof all right now .
The 800 sounds plenty gainy especially with high out put picks, now add a tube screamer.
Excellent video! Thanks for doing this for me. I actually have the bugera and enjoy the sound of it. It sounds a lot like the jcm800. Keep up the excellent videos I always enjoy them. Sam.
Why did they handicap the Plexi? They didn't have it dialed in right, almost intentionally it seems. Once dialed in, the Plexi roars like a pissed off lion! The JCM is great, but the Plexi is king of the R&R jungle.
So the plexi is actually bigger then a jcm 800
Still want both of them.
Great video. Very excited for these amps
Man. I wanna be cool enough to say it was the plexi, but I really like that 800 on the higher output setting. Thing sounds great.
The plexi needs to be at full volume at all times otherwise you are not doing the amp justice.Even when you turn down the volume to 9 or 8 you lose something.And for the 800 turn down the treble and precence at 7 they sound horrible!
I guess that's the main specificity of the Marshall sound.
Excellent video TK! I am definitely a fan of the JCM 800!
me too. Love the JCM! Although, the Plexi sounds pretty tasty in the vid. Time stamp in index. Thanks for watching!
Plexi and one of those new Boss attenuators for me, please.