Hello Barry, thank you for your very detailed presentation and test. You convinced me so much that I bought the MME H-Shifter and the FlyOff in black 14 days ago. I am completely thrilled with the quality and function. The product meets my expectations exactly. Since I prefer rally and historic cars in general, the combination of H-shift and sequential mode was the primary purchase decision. The change of function is really very well solved. Of course, the H-shift feeling is not 100% real, but it is still very mechanical and valuable. I ride 100% with VR and both are very important to me. I also use the Push & Pull Shifter WRC from Simline. I have used the H-shifter and FlyOff hardware from Fanatec for 4 years. You can't compare the quality and function with MME - it's a completely different world (clearly also price-wise). I also had static problems with the shifter from time to time and most recently the sequential function also broke down (almost at the same time the FlyOff also broke down). Fanatec support has not reacted for over 3 weeks despite enquiries....That's why I have now bought the MME hardware (4 pieces of real Avon slicks cost the same and burn on the racetrack...). Thanks for your great work for the world out there! Best regards from Tyrol Nik
Love your comment about how interesting it is for coming up with solution using hall sensors. I had an instructor one time and he told us, engineering is an art!
Nice looking piece. I'm not selling my ProSim unit, but if this were available a couple years ago, I would have seriously considered it especially given it's price, smaller size and dual operation.
Might have to pick one up. Just got a Simagic sequential to try out and would love to find an h pattern shifter to get that last piece of Fanatec gear off of my rig 😂
I've the Frex and according to this video the Frex seems rather better for less money if you don't need the sequential function. The VNM seems similar for a fraction of the price. The BDH seems much better, but you can't buy it and the Simvertex is a mechanical alternative that might need some tweaks. I guess we see a Simagic h-pattern shifter rather sooner than later as well.
From a mechanical engineer’s perspective, this shifter mechanically is just identical to Fanatec but decently with beefy quality. Since it’s only a gated shifter, you will get th same shift feeling as fanatec (VNM in the same manner) so definitely not worth 750 euro. I’ll suggest wait for something else or just go all the way to prosim if you really care about driving a manual in sim.
I think this would be the first high end dual shifter on the market (unfortunately Heusinkveld shelved their project). Hard to tell if the bang for the buck is worth it, but people who got infuriated with Fanatec's CSS issues would be happy to spend a bit more and jump into this for getting a reliable kit that looks and feels good, and has a tool-less way of switching modes.
So is it wrong Mr Closet - that as soon as I see Barry reviewing either a new shifter or racing wheel - I immediately look for your name in the comments section, hahaha And maybe another NOTCH on your Channel Banner, maybe??? ;P
There is always just one guy who gets #0001 :D you totally deserve it! I´m from Germany and started SR about 2 years ago. I´m honest, the things I buy, I only do after patently waiting in your videos until you give that tiny advise/hint that you really should buy it if you already go for it. There is no movie more exciting to me than your videos I watched for my so far P1-X, SimuCPro2, H.Sprints, CC F1 Sport. Unneccessary long, sorry. You are the best!
This is a gated shifter just like Fanatec and VNM, H pattern is mechanically identical but with beefy metals. How they do sequential converting is definitely creative. Just like Barry mentioned in 44:40, you will not get engaging feelings like shifting a real car. Unless you like to pay beefy Fanatec for extra 500 euros
@@CorgiTheCorgi And also doesn't come with a mount by standard, so need to either pay another 40€ or have an aluminum profile rig ready to go. For me it'd end up being a 320€ shifter just to get it at all usable... And it's not by any means the only example of them nickle and diming the customer... Plus, and I know this is a tiny sample size, I've had two friends who bought the V1.5 and they both broke within a month (inconsistent activation when used, random activation when not used). Not statistically significant of course. All that said, I'll commend them for the CSL DD. It's insanely well priced, and you can get very affordable rims for it too, so credit where credit's due.
@@jubuttib This is why I end up with Simucube, don't why to be Fanatec's money maker. CSL DD seems like a bargain but I have never tried it in person so can't really make common on the product. But so far, I don't really enjoy any Fanatec product I have (Porsche replica rim and shifter).
excellent video, again...and...again :) Wondered if you might plan to do the same for the Simvertex shifter (expensive, over 700€ on aliexpress).... TIA
Thanks for the great review. I'm looking for an h-pattern shifter. What are your thoughts on this vs. the Frex? I have an Aiologs sequential so I'm not that interested in the sequential aspect of this shifter. Thanks
From a mechanical engineer’s perspective, this shifter mechanically is just identical to Fanatec but decently with beefy quality. Since it’s only a gated shifter, you will get th same shift feeling as fanatec (VNM in the same manner) so definitely not worth 750 euro. The only thing Frex attracts me is the clutch module which you have to using the clutch to shift, just like a real car, but the compatibility with different pedal sets are a headache.
@@CorgiTheCorgi I have the frex, and thats what it for me , th8a and the fanatec shifters leave a lot to be desired. and well pro sim is out of the question, the frex was the winner after barry's review. i have been happy with it.. feels like my miata, and s2k did.. shockingly similar. I have been contemplating getting the lock out and i have seen people mod it to fit heusinkveld pedal setups
@@blacknovella yeah, Frex seems like good fit of being the middle ground. The clutch module is nice but you might need to drill holes on the pedal set.
It does, when in seq mode you can see the "L" shaped brackets that slide inwards lock the arm that has the spring attached that gives the side resistance in H pattern mode.
@@DavidGarcia-oi5nt thanks so much I hate wasting money I bought alot of frex equipment a few years back and now its all in a box for my kids to use once I figure out a good rig for them
@@DavidGarcia-oi5nt The frex experience was great but I wanted a more natural feel as I race in the real world as well so I need equipment that matched as close to what I drive at the moment I am working on a motion rig but frex is still great and I highly recommend it , I kept it all and it's going into a rig for my boys .
Bulletproof? who would shoot a shifter, a mad man. Cool video the only thing I not get it is why when he is braking and making a shift he slams the clutch? I understand that some pedals are kind of hard sensitive but is that too much or just plain exhibit to be like a pro? lol
Edit: I imagine when the AI from project cars 2 rams you in lap 26 from below, you get all gangsta' shit en shoot the shit out of the shifter hahaha the only reason for bulletproof 😂
@@GorillaSnapper I would venture to guess that the type of people who have almost $900 to spend on a sim shifter probably could stretch their budget to a Pro-Sim... not an improved version of a $250 shifter, lol
Why did they decide to make it look like a toy? Also they advertise ... "Custom build electronics - no cheap Chinese USB modules" Way overpriced @ $749euro. Seems no different from a thrust master th8a.
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Hello Barry, thank you for your very detailed presentation and test. You convinced me so much that I bought the MME H-Shifter and the FlyOff in black 14 days ago. I am completely thrilled with the quality and function. The product meets my expectations exactly. Since I prefer rally and historic cars in general, the combination of H-shift and sequential mode was the primary purchase decision. The change of function is really very well solved. Of course, the H-shift feeling is not 100% real, but it is still very mechanical and valuable. I ride 100% with VR and both are very important to me. I also use the Push & Pull Shifter WRC from Simline.
I have used the H-shifter and FlyOff hardware from Fanatec for 4 years. You can't compare the quality and function with MME - it's a completely different world (clearly also price-wise). I also had static problems with the shifter from time to time and most recently the sequential function also broke down (almost at the same time the FlyOff also broke down). Fanatec support has not reacted for over 3 weeks despite enquiries....That's why I have now bought the MME hardware (4 pieces of real Avon slicks cost the same and burn on the racetrack...). Thanks for your great work for the world out there! Best regards from Tyrol Nik
Congrats on 100k Barry!
Great review and even better heel toe performance. Thanks Barry, and congrats on 100K subscribers!
Really appreciate the production quality; both audio and picture are top notch!
the only thing this man and I have in common is the $30 floor gym fan
Hey Barry, you can reduce the shift resistance by reducing the preload of the big spring (@41:12h)
Barry! I can't help but notice you using the simtrecs again almost a year after you reviewed them! Great video again.
That’s a nice shifter!
Love your comment about how interesting it is for coming up with solution using hall sensors. I had an instructor one time and he told us, engineering is an art!
It was a choice not a solution, because there are other ways to do it
Thank you Barry for another review! Hope you are doing well :)
that blue probably looks phenomenal on a rig with HPP JBVs as well
oooh yees
Congratulations on the 100K !
Congrats to 100K! Great Channel!
Solid build. The options are welcome.
Agreed! More options, everybody wins!
@@advancedsimracing Oui!
Nice looking piece. I'm not selling my ProSim unit, but if this were available a couple years ago, I would have seriously considered it especially given it's price, smaller size and dual operation.
Might have to pick one up. Just got a Simagic sequential to try out and would love to find an h pattern shifter to get that last piece of Fanatec gear off of my rig 😂
I've the Frex and according to this video the Frex seems rather better for less money if you don't need the sequential function. The VNM seems similar for a fraction of the price. The BDH seems much better, but you can't buy it and the Simvertex is a mechanical alternative that might need some tweaks. I guess we see a Simagic h-pattern shifter rather sooner than later as well.
From a mechanical engineer’s perspective, this shifter mechanically is just identical to Fanatec but decently with beefy quality. Since it’s only a gated shifter, you will get th same shift feeling as fanatec (VNM in the same manner) so definitely not worth 750 euro. I’ll suggest wait for something else or just go all the way to prosim if you really care about driving a manual in sim.
Vnm is a lot cheaper, let's stop spending thousands on unnecessary gear
@@Leynad778 The frex has really weird gear spacing, which makes it feel somewhat unnatural
Thank You Barry for (as always) professional review.
shifter looks sweet color looks nasty,Id love it in either red or black.
Almost 100k subs congrats !
I think this would be the first high end dual shifter on the market (unfortunately Heusinkveld shelved their project). Hard to tell if the bang for the buck is worth it, but people who got infuriated with Fanatec's CSS issues would be happy to spend a bit more and jump into this for getting a reliable kit that looks and feels good, and has a tool-less way of switching modes.
Well said
Interesting.
So is it wrong Mr Closet - that as soon as I see Barry reviewing either a new shifter or racing wheel - I immediately look for your name in the comments section, hahaha
And maybe another NOTCH on your Channel Banner, maybe??? ;P
Watching the video waiting in suspense for the inside look segment!
There is always just one guy who gets #0001 :D you totally deserve it! I´m from Germany and started SR about 2 years ago. I´m honest, the things I buy, I only do after patently waiting in your videos until you give that tiny advise/hint that you really should buy it if you already go for it. There is no movie more exciting to me than your videos I watched for my so far P1-X, SimuCPro2, H.Sprints, CC F1 Sport. Unneccessary long, sorry. You are the best!
so close to 100k
Barry hitting 100K soon, can't believe this hasn't been the case for years...
Happy new year y'all Pistonheads ;) !
It does look quite noice, the shade of blue somehow fits it well
Quite noice indeed!
Feels good lol
congratulatios for 100.000
colors and style matches the simtrecs well
Slaps the shifter so hard something else on the rig falls down! Nice!
Can you do a video of the BDH shifter ?
This is a gated shifter just like Fanatec and VNM, H pattern is mechanically identical but with beefy metals. How they do sequential converting is definitely creative. Just like Barry mentioned in 44:40, you will not get engaging feelings like shifting a real car. Unless you like to pay beefy Fanatec for extra 500 euros
I don't like to pay even the Fanatec price ever since they artificially inflated them...
@@jubuttib I’m okay with shifter msrp alone, but $20 + shipping for proprietary usb dongle is a robbery
@@CorgiTheCorgi And also doesn't come with a mount by standard, so need to either pay another 40€ or have an aluminum profile rig ready to go. For me it'd end up being a 320€ shifter just to get it at all usable... And it's not by any means the only example of them nickle and diming the customer...
Plus, and I know this is a tiny sample size, I've had two friends who bought the V1.5 and they both broke within a month (inconsistent activation when used, random activation when not used). Not statistically significant of course.
All that said, I'll commend them for the CSL DD. It's insanely well priced, and you can get very affordable rims for it too, so credit where credit's due.
@@jubuttib This is why I end up with Simucube, don't why to be Fanatec's money maker. CSL DD seems like a bargain but I have never tried it in person so can't really make common on the product. But so far, I don't really enjoy any Fanatec product I have (Porsche replica rim and shifter).
@sim racing garage, If you were spending the money would you buy this or the Frex?
excellent video, again...and...again :) Wondered if you might plan to do the same for the Simvertex shifter (expensive, over 700€ on aliexpress).... TIA
u can mount the bracket on all 4 sides not just 2 sides if u use bottom mount just saying
Hey man, could you do a review on the csl dd from fanatec?
VRS pedals Barry?? Great review as always tho,
Is a simagic pedals review coming soon?
44:32 i was like wtf did the shifter shift down automatically 😱 but saw is was edited i was tripping lol
Thanks for the great review. I'm looking for an h-pattern shifter. What are your thoughts on this vs. the Frex? I have an Aiologs sequential so I'm not that interested in the sequential aspect of this shifter. Thanks
Take a look at the Simvertex Shifter as well!
From a mechanical engineer’s perspective, this shifter mechanically is just identical to Fanatec but decently with beefy quality. Since it’s only a gated shifter, you will get th same shift feeling as fanatec (VNM in the same manner) so definitely not worth 750 euro. The only thing Frex attracts me is the clutch module which you have to using the clutch to shift, just like a real car, but the compatibility with different pedal sets are a headache.
@@CorgiTheCorgi I have the frex, and thats what it for me , th8a and the fanatec shifters leave a lot to be desired. and well pro sim is out of the question, the frex was the winner after barry's review. i have been happy with it.. feels like my miata, and s2k did.. shockingly similar. I have been contemplating getting the lock out and i have seen people mod it to fit heusinkveld pedal setups
@@blacknovella yeah, Frex seems like good fit of being the middle ground. The clutch module is nice but you might need to drill holes on the pedal set.
@@CorgiTheCorgi Shipping to Germany (19% VAT) I would pay 915 € total and most EU-countries have a higher VAT-rate.
simvertex h pattern review please!
Does the shifter lock out the sides of the H pattern when in sequential? Mechanically it didn't look like it did.
It does, when in seq mode you can see the "L" shaped brackets that slide inwards lock the arm that has the spring attached that gives the side resistance in H pattern mode.
That thing is a weapon, I love it
Wich pedals are these in the video?
It's way past my bedtime so I can't watch the video until tomorrow. Anyone have first-hand knowledge to make a comparison to the Simagic DS-8X?
Barry, how tall is this unit?
Would this shifter be a upgrade to my Quaife sequential shifter as it does h pattern as I am building a new motion rig
Go double quaife :)
@@DavidGarcia-oi5nt thanks so much I hate wasting money I bought alot of frex equipment a few years back and now its all in a box for my kids to use once I figure out a good rig for them
@@rdeh1678 why did you not like the Frex equipment?
@@DavidGarcia-oi5nt The frex experience was great but I wanted a more natural feel as I race in the real world as well so I need equipment that matched as close to what I drive at the moment I am working on a motion rig but frex is still great and I highly recommend it , I kept it all and it's going into a rig for my boys .
if fanatec had podium tier of shifter i would think it to be pretty similar to this
But broken ;)
So what was the shifter he mentioned that does feel like a real gear box ?
has to be the quaife...it rocks
Likely Pro-Sim and BDH
Bulletproof? who would shoot a shifter, a mad man. Cool video the only thing I not get it is why when he is braking and making a shift he slams the clutch? I understand that some pedals are kind of hard sensitive but is that too much or just plain exhibit to be like a pro? lol
Edit: I imagine when the AI from project cars 2 rams you in lap 26 from below, you get all gangsta' shit en shoot the shit out of the shifter hahaha the only reason for bulletproof 😂
“How to reference the ProSim H Shifter without saying ProSim H Shifter” 🤭
50$ aliexpress shifter putting in work. Making everything else seem overly engineered
This is way too much money for what is basically an improved Fanatec shifter. What market segment is this even going for?
The people who want an improved Fanatec shifter? LOL. It's kinda obvious....
@@GorillaSnapper I would venture to guess that the type of people who have almost $900 to spend on a sim shifter probably could stretch their budget to a Pro-Sim... not an improved version of a $250 shifter, lol
@@_batt what pro sim shifter does both h pattern and seq?
All that money and no detachable cable. Oof
Why did they decide to make it look like a toy?
Also they advertise ...
"Custom build electronics - no cheap Chinese USB modules"
Way overpriced @ $749euro.
Seems no different from a thrust master th8a.
Nearly 1K? Yeah, hard pass. WTF
Too expensive
First!
Damnit LoL
Double damnit
Who care. You people are fucking losers. It's 2022 no one gives a fuck you were first to comment on a video. You losers really need a life
First?
Price is lower than I exprcted .
Ya right way over priced