How NOT to Love Art | Klavan Reviews The White Lotus Seasons 1 and 2
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- Опубликовано: 13 янв 2023
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The White Lotus is an entertaining and honest piece of art, yet many on the left seem to not only misunderstand the meaning of the show, but fundamentally misunderstand the purpose of art itself.
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“Makes fun of everybody equally“….. you had me there, Andrew.
My husband and I loved this show! Great review! I have to say though that I loved the scenery and the background music too. The whole show was cleverly made. I hope there's a third season!
why is there not a reviews playlist?!
I’m have seen ‘The Chosen’?
I love it, but I wish you could review it, cinematografically. The Script, acting, shootings, etc.
I loved The White Lotus! Spoiler alert, season 1 was my favourite and my favourite scenes were when the son had lost his cell phone and he gradually realizes what he’s been missing, he starts observing the world around him and it’s beauty. Eventually, he gets offered to canoe with some Hawaiian men. And then in one of the last scenes he’s in line to get on the airplane, and his parents are a little bit ahead, and he waves at them to keep going like he’s going to get on behind them, but he turns around and starts jogging away with the look of freedom on his face. The last scene is him in the outrigger canoe with the men, on the beautiful ocean with a beautiful sunset. It makes you really wonder what his future holds for him.
beautiful summary! i loved the 1st season. prefer it over 2nd
His family noticed he wasn't there and they got off the plane too. He's the minor son of rich, prominent people. The FBI and multiple law enforcement agencies are looking for him and they will find him. One of his new friends will likely turn him in if he isn't found first, especially since he told his parents exactly who he was hanging out with and what he planned to do.
Mike White is a great writer (also wrote School of Rock). For those who enjoy White Lotus I highly recommend the show Enlightened, which he made with Laura Dern.
And played Jack Black’s roommate whose identity Black stole, right? Love that movie!
@@KarenJKJones 😂👍
This is actually a really good review. It’s obviously intended to be a ring wing perspective, but it actually sounds like a good old fashioned review of the art. Very good.
A what?
Really nailed it Klavan. You are the artist of the daily wire for sure.
I’ve grown to appreciate klavan. Because of his writing he often sums things up pretty quickly and efficiently. I’d imagine that’s why it takes him longer to make an episode than the other DW+ members, well that and he’s almost 400 years old.
@@AjaxDGonzo Yeah I like him and Matt the best. He's a little more balanced when it comes to entertainment though and appreciates art and discusses it with deeper insight than the others I think.
@@nicholassupino8775 I think Ben can discuss art well too, but he’s a harsh critic with distinct tastes. #sweetbabygang
The ONLY artist of DW.
Oh, Mike White. I remember him competing on Survivor.
I only watched the first season. I thought it made morality a very human thing. A family bonding in adversity isn't entrenching privilege. If you screw over a friend or try to exploit a fragile stranger, that's not something mitigated by society.
the trend(s) of turning everything into everyones sexual perversions is starting to get repetitive at best... good story ideas should not necessarily come from the lowest common denominator.. anyone can do that.. good ideas are hard to come by and are rare... however the fall of the USA is topical, so I'll give them that... but your closing thoughts are so spot on.
Seriously one of the best reviews of the show I've watched.
honest question: this is a great rule of thumb for character-centered writing and character-building, dialogue, etc...is this also same for an overall theme? I'm still learning screenplay structure, and it's amazing the need for morale such as the overall tests of the character in order for the big end etc., so for me as a conservative with neutral writing ideas, that part gets a little trickier. or thus far still just starting haha.
Great review, I'm only a few episodes in so far but I'm enjoying it.
Klavan absolute grand slammed this take. Couldn't agree more
Mike White and Jack Black were roommates.
I love your points. I always enjoy your feedback on media and art. One area I would push back on though is the idea of a woman not winning in a swordfight. The answer is more nuanced. If you had said a fist fight, I would agree as only a highly athletic and trained woman versus an unskilled and weakish man would be relatively fair. However, swords can reduce the disparity in many cases, especially in unarmored sword fighting. I think your general point is accurate.
Also I found out medieval trial combat had provisions for a husband and wife to settle by placing the man in a pit up to his armpits armed with a club and the wife would put a 3lb stone in her wedding veil and they would fight. If the man pulled the wife into the pit she was killed. If she pulled him out, he was hung.
Great analysis!
Does the Grand father drink J B whiskey!!! lol
Binged both seasons over the holidays and agree with your review, including the fact that it is very entertaining 👍
I was pleasantly surprised by this show as well.
The first season was great Today, my wifey and I just binge watched the second season today. The best part of the show was the last episode close to the end on the boat and I'll leave it at that. I don't want to spoil it
Thank you for another excellent video analysis, Mr. Klavan. THE WHITE LOTUS has been sometimes mockingly called THE WOKE LOTUS or THE LEFTY LOTUS. Hopefully, season 3 will be set in Afghanistan during the Biden withdrawal.
i do think Jeanne d'Arc would kick my ass with sword fighting
I remember this guy from Survivor.
Man this guy is sharp..... best review Ive seen in a long time
i think every one of your videos should start with the chiron 'A WISE MAN ONCE SAID'... (i know that would be jackassy but still, i love your take on things) i need to read your books...
I thought it was boring and the plot lines were obvious.
Dang I thought the show was brilliant but I can understand it being “boring” for some
Thanks for the insight into a show I will never watch. Through your review I get the good stuff without having to experience the bad.
Exactly!
Watched the first two episodes of Season 2 and couldn't get into it. I get that the characters are supposed to be unlikable, but they were just so dull, I couldn't stand watching them anymore. A lot of my favorite shows and movies have unlikeable protagonists (The Sopranos, The Shield, American Psycho, etc.), but those characters are infinitely more watchable than the ones on White Lotus. The characters in The Sopranos are scummy in funny and creative ways, with charismatic actors behind them to add life to their eccentricities. The performances in White Lotus all feel flat - purposely flat I'm sure, but flat nonetheless.
I do appreciate Klavan's insights here and it's nice to hear why others like the show. It does sound like an interesting idea in concept and maybe gets better after the episodes I watched.
This really reminds me of the great C. S. Lewis book, An Experiment in Criticism.
is there a spot of light in these series?
This video does not answer the question: Is the white lotus overrated? Even if it's art, it doesn't mean is good.
Of course the white lotus is good🤷♂️what’s your opinion? Do you personally think it’s “overrated”🤔
Thank you
I don’t mind spoilers
"Everybody is a piece of shit"
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That beside the obvious point. In movies everything is grey. On the bad flip side of it its a deep dark hole. What is mild in one family situation can be a hell of another family. One side of a coin does tell the whole stories. It aint that funny.
"He says he's bisexual but ..." I get tired of people telling others what their sexuality really is, whether these people are from the right or the left.
Nobody cares about your opinion, dude.
I do feel like the show was very well written, and it is objectively a good show, but I couldn't help but feel it didn't really have anything to say, or much of a point. Also didn't like the murder mystery kind of framing device, it felt very tacked on. Where is Armond's body being shipped to? He lived on the island, right?
Great commentary. Mike White also wrote another great show called Enlightenment.
Third comment, sorry. But although I don’t agree with Klavan politically, I’m so impressed by his explanation and view of art here. Well considered.
There's nothing terrific about that scene, no human acts that way and nothing about it was funny.
It was satire of wokeists. Satire is often not inherently funny and certainly not realistic, but it points out the absurdity of the situation before us.
Everything and anything can be funny. Laughing is as easy as crying, and laughing is way more fun.
I found it crude.
It was hilarious
@@ohifonlyx33 it is also often crude, yes
I agree with 99% of what you're saying in this video, but the one thing I disagree with is that it's 100% impossible for a woman to win a sword fight against a man. Not true, mixed gender tournaments have had many woman defeat men. The key is a woman will be at a significant strength disadvantage vs a man, yes, but skill, luck, ingenuity and other factors can overcome that. A sword, at it's core, is a force multiplier which does level the playing field a fair bit. The woman does not need to smash the man's face in with brute force, just deliver a cut or thrust sufficient to disable or kill the man. The edge of a sword makes that very do-able, even in a disparity of strength.
So I would amend that to if a show shows a woman brute force overpowering a man, then turn it off, but if she's just more skilled or got lucky or used some cleaver trick to overcome a disadvantage, then that's good writing portraying how a woman could and would need to overcome the odds stacked against her.
I follow channels from The Community of the Sword (Shadiversity, Metatron, Skallagrim, etc) and have seen many videos from these experts addressing the issues of man v woman in sword fights.
Ah, so you watched channels?
@@frankie3010 Yes, I'm a regular of Shadiversity's videos, and Metatron was my gateway into the HEMA channels. Skall's great, and he's the one famous for instigating the swath of Pommel and "End Him Rightly" memes a few years ago.
Does he shout at the girls?
Can I get the rest of that scene?
Please watch and review 'The Sandman'
If not the whole series, check Episode 5, don't really need the rest to 'get' that episode. Insane asylum escapee with a ruby that grants wishes, goes to a diner and wishes that people would stop lying. Might not qualify as 'horror' (until the end), but was subtly cringier than most that do
Good show, very well written! But the many awful people together made me feel bad watching it.
the show just points out politics of different people, is very negative, shows the worst people and portrays that as how culture is. privilege this privilege that, sick of it. it's also not very entertaining, kind of just gloomy tbh
I worry about you Klavan
If he was living with a woman, would he be straight? That was a weird thing to say.
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I’m three episodes in… haven’t really laughed. TBH I rather watch Entourage again. I didn’t like the camera work. Some scenes made me sea sick 🤢 and the color grade I didn’t like. I didn’t think the story was particularly interesting and the character development didn’t happen fast enough for me to care about anyone in particular. However, my favorite character was the hotel manager but that’s about it. The penis shot in the first episode was strange and the acting isn’t great… should I keep watching? Idk. I don’t think I’ll be missing much.
There's a scene like you described and you're STILL not sure if you're going to stop watching such filth?!
@@Yesica1993 I wouldn’t go as far as calling it filth. You can. I really didn’t describe anything in detail other than pointing out a scene with full frontal male nudity. The film “Wild Things” had that… did it need it. Probably not. I know I didn’t need to see Kevin Bacons dong. Also I don’t think in this series it called for it. I would keep watching if it got better but it never did. I put it as a question to see if anyone thought I should keep going… but you apparently do not think so. Thank you for your opinion.
I love your books Klavan, but I have discovered that your taste is all in your mouth.
Me too, I haven't read his books and I was going to get one, but his taste seems to run towards...stuff I have zero interest in. He thought 'The Last Duel' was amazing. I guess I got through it, the Duel itself was very realistic, but I'll never consider watching it again, so it certainly doesn't rank as amazing.
Genuis level review.
You guy got the script and flip the witch back and forth
Nope. Placing your eyes on graven and disgusting things should be abstained from. Sorry. This is how we got to this point, by being tolerant of depravity. We should turn the channel off, call like a Karen, and make noise so the rest of us know to avoid it. We have to pick a team, but also, we have to be loyal to that team.
You don't get it. You are trying to turn it into something that it is not.
What do you mean?
I have nothing but antipathy for these types of people. I'd rather stare at my naval.
This show is awful. Beautifully shot, well acted. Terrible writing. 0 story. I felt like a lot happened and yet nothing happened. Never cared about any character.
“Terrible writing and zero story” 🤔can you explain why you think this way?
I tried to watch it when Klavam first mentioned it. Couldn't watch more than 15 mins
What was wrong with it?
@@raymondsims7042
Boring
unlikeable characters
not funny
pretentious
Thinks itself more clever than it is
But that's just what I got in the first 15 mins
@@LN-Lifer oh ok so basically you copied someone else’s opinion that you heard online. Because you didn’t get all of this in 15 minutes
@@raymondsims7042
No.
That's the exact impression I got in 15 mins
Now you may argue that I did not watch long enough to say for sure that my opinion is correct but yes that IS the impression I got after watching for 15 mins.
in other words
I could be wrong ..but that's exactly what I saw
@@raymondsims7042
And truthfully I would be shocked if I was wrong. Once you've seen what I described above a few times it becomes very easy to recognize.
In fact. Put in a room with 3-4 different groups of writers and I bet I can pick out the ones that wrote this show in the same 15 mins.
Honestly, there is nothing terrific about that scene. It wasn't interesting or funny.
You can be a bisexual man and live with a guy. Most people have 1 partner. If he was living with a woman he would still be bisexual. Your snark about that whole thing shows your ignorance.
Aside from the talent of the writers and the quality of the show, I believe Christians and all people really should avoid shows like this, as they are very spiritually harmful. We should not use art as an excuse for the gratuitous depiction of depraved acts.
very well put.
I think you’re missing out on what the show is actually depicting. Their decadence is gratuitous, and that’s part of the point. I could list many examples like Akira, Berserk, and a lot of Clive barkers work where the bad things are used as devices to show the audience they are bad. For example with a series like berserk, the integration of horror and sexuality create the force of evil, and it gives a palpable and visceral reaction for the audience to see evil, that doesn’t mean it makes you evil somehow. Good people are fine with seeing evil and flaws in humanity, it’s the bad people that try to repress sins. That repression doesn’t lead to less sins it leads to more.
I got as far as 3:20. To see Andrew laughing at this filth was horrifying. I don't care how "well written" a show is. If it's promoting immorality, Christians are not to watch/promote it. He is a professing CHRISTIAN. But he's getting more and more open about his complete acceptance of a lifestyle God calls SIN.
Well he is laughing at the absurdity of it.
Chill it was funny.
@@kylez8010 Yeah, right.
@@joshc9453 There's nothing funny about filth that God will one day judge.
@@Yesica1993 you’re as bad as a leftist. Don’t push your prude worldview on other people
No thanks.
Why didn’t you like it?
Shows about nothing 😊
dirty show, no.
Don't know, your early description completely turned me off...turned off video. No interest whatsoever.