I actually preferred the second season over the first, since I felt that it was drawn out better, particularly the mystery element. However, one thing that the first did better was by having more of the guests mingling with each other. This time round, we only really had Portia and Albie talking.
I thought season 2 was miles better. I also liked that there wasn't alot of co mingling. It was more realistic to me that way, alot of people go on vacation and don't really socialize too much with the other guests just pretty much the people they came with
For me, first season “meant” more as a multi-racial, part Hawaiian. It meant a lot to me to know that a white writer/director was able to bravely and unabashedly tackle concepts like colonization, excuses, assumptions, and lies for BOTH sides of the coin. But S2 definitely had more momentum/tragedy if that makes sense. Like I definitely “felt” sorry for the characters more often in S2, maybe pity is the better word. I love both so much though!
Most of your critiques about the character patterns, repetition and structure of the show is literally a critique on human behavior. Most stories showcase character development in a drastic way, a sort of Shakespearean approach; I think the White Lotus tackles how people don’t really change overnight if they change at all. So it makes sense for the story lines to progress the way they do for some of the characters because it leaves you with an the feeling that these people are humans and they’re messy. I think the White Lotus has a way of making you wonder if these people will ever really change and almost motivates you to BE better, while most stories kind of tie everything together neatly FOR you, leaving you with that satisfying feeling that you’ve done something just because you were rooting for the “good guy”. I think the White Lotis did it’s job in making us see ourselves in these people who we would otherwise write off as spoiled (which some of them are) and provides us with a more complex perspective on class, relationship and sexual dynamics. All in all great show.
yep, also some characters can't change. they are doomed, greek-tragedy-style, this was nuanced a few times in the show, additionally sicily was a greek colony, and taormina was a sex tourism destination back in the 19th c for rich euros, gay n straight
Valentina was by far the most interesting character to me. I loved the scene of her eating lunch with the kittens. A quiet scene that reveals a kind person hidden under that sharp managerial persona. I wished there was more scenes of her.
I was surprized to hear that you think there was no development to Rachel and Shane's relationship. It's one of the most exciting developments to me to see what happened to how Rachel feels about her marriage and how Shane deliberately doesn't want to notice anything that happens in their marriage. It's definitely not a "honeymoon sweet tension" that "carries on for the rest of the season"
Did it need to be renewed? No. It could have stood well on it’s own as a miniseries. Did it make the transition to full anthology show successfully? Yes. White Lotus avoided the trap of peaking in Season 1 by having a second season that’s as good as the first, if not better.
i think the armond dying and the rich dude not facing any consequence is pretty on par with the themes of privilege etc in WL season 1. Same as the spa lady
Ethan and Albie as the most deplorable characters this season? That's so wildly off the mark. They're not even the most deplorable characters in their respective subgroups.
This video shows that just because someone makes an essay style video on a clever incredibly well written show doesn’t mean their video itself will be clever as this guy’s thesis is pure shit but at least explained with courage lol
Just to be clear, as they are two VERY different things: that's not the Colosseum. Which is in Rome, Italian Peninsula, 80 AD. That's Teatro Greco di Taormina, Island of Sicily, 301 AD.
Personally I thought season 2 was EVEN BETTER than season 1. Not to mention the fact that it continues to be one of the watched and awarded shows on HBO. So yeahh. I’d say it was “worth” renewing lmao
@@AdviceFromAHipoCrite Progression from the audience’s perspective. Obviously, the character didn’t really have an arc, but he changed for the audience
finally an essay acknowledging albie's hypocrisy... I felt like he is this season's paula, the one who is supposed to be different but very clearly isn't, but since they are Sad About The Bad Things, a lot of people seem to miss that.
Season 2 took a lot from Succession in terms of visuals, lighting and color grading but also it has the same tone, similar themes and humor. I liked it way better actually, the writing felt more hbo and less netflix if that makes sense.
As deep as this analysis goes not sure how you missed that when Albie et al go to find their distant relatives they are met with 3 women who scream at them to go away ... echoing their awful way they treat and think about women.
Okay… When people do flim or TV reviews it really bothers me how everyone judges things in how it “relates to the plot” for example when you spoke about Ethan and how he had a come to Jesus moment multiple times before he would just turn into a screaming teenager again or the married couple who continued to argue about the room… I understand that while yes the writers could have chosen to elaborate on it.. let’s look at it from the lens of the characters both Ethan and the honeymoon sweet couple ( can’t remember their names as I write this) lack emotional depth.. or in the couples case we know the husband doesn’t.. so of course they will continue to have the same battle because the character was written for us to examine as an audience but the character is acting on thoughts and feelings that started before the show… while it may seem that the plot isn’t fully developed I think the character are written this way to feed in to the satire that the plot is creating..
Season 2 was great, especially in terms of character development, acting, and storylines. It was fun to watch. Taylor, I think you were looking for too much or maybe just something different. The key to the show is that White just keeps you guessing. That’s fun.
I am consider myself a picky viewer and i loved the second season, it was interesting and had a good pace, characters made sense and writing was very good, if you look at shows Netflix is producing, this looks like a competely different level. Its not perfect, but for me its in top 5% of all shows.
Mike White gets a pass for stealing from THE GODFATHER because he telegraphs it in the search of the Digrasso family for their Sicilian roots; the riffs about toxic masculinity in the movie; and the search for actual locations from the film. That makes it more of an homage. -- like the shot for shot steal from Antonioni's L'Aventura in Harper's walk of shame in Noto.
Okay holy shit I love the first 6 minutes so far. I wrote an entire essay on how I thought white lotus ep 1 was and did fail on so many levels and watching the rest of the season took me months to even do. But this second season. I came in with no expectations. Same with the first season. Crazy how they contrast. I truly think they nailed season 2
I like that each season (so far) seems to centre on a theme, season one is about colonialism and wokeness and season 2 is all about sex and power. I'm interested to see how White will tackle death in season 3 especially since these overarching themes showcase many different perspectives via the variety of characters!
I just think the first season felt more purposeful and scary. The music, the camerawork, the storyline-there was always this ominous hint that murder was impending. I didn’t feel like the second season had that same mystery
I feel the exact opposite way (I prefer Season 2) for the exact same reasons you just gave ? Visually, the first Season is superior, I just fail to see how purposeful and scary the first season was in comparison to the second one - especially considering its unsatisfying conclusion.
@@20000dino That's so funny, I felt like the first season's conclusion was much more satisfying than the second. I understand her death fit her character, but I didn't love Jennifer Coolidge's demise. I thought the resort manager's passing was much more of a satisfying payoff
I am sorry but I think you have so overdone the criticism that I am absolutely lost. I found myself feeling that season 1 had elements of Beverly Hills 90120. Season 2 was much more fun. Just the 3 men are amazing actors. The 2 couples are just plain fun. Especially Theo James and Meghann Fahy. They have both wonderful chemistry and they have comparable sense of humors. I would love to see you more of them in a spin-off. I also think Aubrey and Will might grow on you . Lastly the 2 girls and Portia along with Albie were just some millennial fun. Season 2 was far better . More potential storylines.
Well it's not a marvel movie, we are not here for the story, we are here for the conversation between the characters which is a social critic of the current state of the world
I totally disagree about the look of the second season. Imo it was beautifully shot, the grading was balanced and had a fantasitc relatiionship between good values and color. especially the beautiful architectural elements within the large estates were displayed in a masterful way that empasised the aburd levels of detail and oppulence. I do somewhat agree about some of the exterior daytime shots being too crisp and boring, but where this show excells is the interiors and night time shots. The grading and lighting has a very sophisticated feel, playing on the sophistication of italian art history.
Cameron not paying Lucia for an extended period of time gave us the audience the hint that everything happening with Albie was a set-up. Bc if the guy stalking her etc. was really her pimp, he would have threatened Cameron already for the money. So for people who were thinking maybe Lucia is falling for albie and this is a love story etc. The hints were there
Just because there is male genitalia in the first episode of the first and second season does not mean Mike White is following a template that this is included in. I predict White was not even conscious of this reoccurrence, and they are used for very different reasons anyway. You also think that the Quinn’s character arc in S1 does not progress beyond seeing the sublime beauty in nature, sure it repeats as he mulls over his life and future, however his arc goes much further than what you acknowledge it is not just a repeating thing that does nothing else, he decides to leave his family and stay in Hawaii and bond with other males on the rowing squad. You missed highlighting this point. I think you are too caught up in your own trying to project a superior intellectual overview, i.e. pretentious, that you miss the meat of the show.
Bruh totally love your point!!!! but it’s totally mute, he was just joking that HBO feels like it has to show make nudity to affirm yes this is HBO you are watching hahahahaha
I find you just plain overdoing it. You are way too important for most of us who care for your opinion. Who cares. Doing you enjoy anything. Just go cook your food.
An anthology TV show is a series that is made up of self-contained episodes, each of which tells a different story. Each episode of an anthology TV show is typically standalone and may have a different cast, setting, and plot from the other episodes. Anthology TV shows can be found in a variety of genres, including drama, horror, and science fiction. Some examples of anthology TV shows include "The Twilight Zone," "Black Mirror," and "The Outer Limits."
I feel like the reason the gays didn’t kill Tanya earlier is that they genuinely liked her. One of them even says that he wanted her to have the perfect night. I really think they viewed her as their Diva Queen and that she deserved a great send off.
I think for a show that is so unbelievably brilliant this is an extremely pretentious critique of it, so pretentious in fact that it misses the point entirely and eclipses it in complete obscurity
Is the show really that brilliant? Personally I think I’ve seen better shows that try to examine these themes, but hey to each their own. I didn’t really feel like the video was that pretentious, but that’s Taylor’s style as a video essayist, watch someone else if you’re not into his vibe.
@@hazelsingh3887 i've never in my life seen a show that has ever encapsulated so many people in my own life-sometimes down even to the haircuts. they're so real it is painful to watch at points to me. as for the review being pretentious, i could write paragraphs about why this seems so pretentious and more paragraphs about how true to life i feel like this show is, but i don't want to spend the time doing either honestly. i didn't choose to watch the video based on having seen anything from the channel before; i've never heard of this channel before.
I liked season 2 in the way that I already liked White Lotus and would generally enjoy any season that was similar to the first. However, idk I was much more engaged for the first one. I cared more about the plot lines and characters even if I hated them. In the second I felt annoyed by the repetition. Like the hotel manager being awkward over and over and I cringed every time. Or the couple whose names I forget, I just wanted them both to just have a normal conversation BEFORE one or both of them were at a breaking point. Like why didn't you ask what was up as soon as she randomly stopped talking? It just frustrated me to no end... that being said I still finished it all immediately and was invested in the ending, but I'm hoping for a 3rd season that I find as engaging as the first
@@Kcashgunna assumes these connections that aren’t real, then sort of mocks these non-existent connections. The show is brilliant because it’s nuanced and complicated and there is no clear right and wrong, just like life.
For some reason, this video brought to mind a song from Adventure Time, "Everything Stays". It's one of my favorites. Let's go in the garden You'll find something waiting Right there where you left it lying upside down When you finally find it You'll see that it's faded The underside is lighter when you turn it around Everything stays right where you left it Everything stays but it still changes Ever so slightly, daily and nightly, In little ways, when everything stays Go down to the ocean The crystal tide is raising Water's gotten higher as the shore washes out Keep your eyes wide open Even when the sun is blazing The moon controls the tide, it could cause you to drown Everything stays right where you left it Everything stays, but it still changes Ever so slightly, daily and nightly In little ways, when everything stays I really like this, and it's deeply meaningful to me. In the first part, the object has been there for so long that while it isn't an inherently different object, and it hasn't moved, it's sun- and weather-worn. It theoretically functions as intended, but it's old, and it shows. In the second part, change happens so slowly it looks as though nothing has changed at all... at least until it's become so overwhelming that it's impossible to keep up, and the illusion that you ever had control is lost for good.
I think the first season was so different because each character had a major shift in mindset or change of perspective. The second season everyone kind of walks away unevolved.
season 1 is definitely better in terms of writing. season 2 is still a fun watch, but some of the subplots felt like they went nowhere. the 4-some couples were almost entirely meh, and lucia's scam felt very underwhelming in the end, like you know she'll get the money, but that's it basically. jennifer coolidge is still hilarious in season 2 but the whole murder plot felt borderline soap opera. the most interesting characters in this season are the hotel manager, the other escort who performed at the piano, and the 3-generetion italian-americans.
@@Fluorineer if this show gets a season 3, it'll have a missing piece for sure. i don't care about the husband greg. he was more of a contrast to her character than a character to care about. they can't just replace her and create a similar role.
@@Fluorineer How does it ruin her purpose in the show? You were the one that made the assumption that she would star in every season, it's not the shows fault that it didn't adhere to your silly assumption. And if her "purpose" was to be a joke about how all her vacations are ruined by dead bodies then that would be shitty writing, why would they create a lead character only for the purpose of a single gag, that would suck.
While both seasons are entertaining TV, Season One did a better job of critiquing wealth, class, and self-perception than Season Two did at critiquing marriage, infidelity, insecurity, patriarchy, wealth, generational divide, etc. Neither season approached the level of _The Sopranos_ , _The Wire_ , and _Breaking Bad_ . However, Season Two was more cliched than Season One.
Preferred season 2 over its predecessor because of the whole Sicily vibe, the characters were a bit more likeable, the two escort girls were the best addition to this season, Jennifer Coolidge raised her acting game to another level in the last episode which was so intense...... Only the Aubrey's storyline was a bit too slow for me, like her onscreen husband behaved basically the same throughout almost the whole season, thank god there was some confrontation by the end but definitely not my favourite storyline. F. Murray Abraham has such a nice, calming presence, I'm so glad he can be seen a lot recently in movies and shows.
I enjoyed season 1 much more. I thought the theme wasn't strictly about colonialism. But more broadly about different examples of the power dynamic between the have and have-nots. While lots of their individual stories didn't necessarily go very far, it was more about the uneven relationships and hypocrisies that would slowly develop the characters. I just liked that it was more of a slice of life slow-burn that was about theme more than plot. The climax was just how each character responded to their respective situations. Meanwhile season 2 was the opposite. Being very plot driven and revolving about extremely dramatic storylines. But I think it was at the cost of every character being very serious and somewhat bland. I think Tanya, Jack and Portia were really the only interesting personalities that fed off each other. Everyone else were really just stick-figures moving the plot forward. While I still enjoyed it overall. I just felt it wasn't written with purpose like season 1.
Season 2 was just as strongly thematic as season 1 was, except this time the theme wasn't focused on colonialism and was more focus on sex, infidelity, how power dynamics relate to sex/relationships, etc. and it was written just as well as season 1 in terms of themes, maybe even better.
What more did Mike White have to say, you ask? He said, boys will be boys. Oh, and women can play the game as long as they’re beautiful and sexually active. I know he says more than this, but that final scene had me fuming: everyone is happy because they can accept monogamy as a relic of the past, and… again, boys will be boys. This season asks piercing questions only to answer them with excruciatingly archaic answers. I wish the answers were simply presented as a perspective, but rather the message is delivered with finality, a declaration, like, this is just the way the world is. The first season actually had some hope and redemption. The second plants us in a world run by primarily men’s sexual urges (and consequently women responding in order to keep up) telling us that wanting anything higher is actually asking people not to be human. I know the storytelling here is worth the discussion, but what’s it telling us to believe about the world, about the way it should be?
great video! loved what you had to say about its connection to the godfather and its sort-of self reflexive commentary on the state of contemporary cinema- lots of ideas i had never considered but feel so clear now. this video definitely made me appreciate some parts of season 2 more but also highlighted a lot of my issues with it. lots to think about.
I’ve decided I wanna watch it now just because of the B…I mean A- listers, because I hadn’t realized they were in it😅. So, I’m gonna pause this, but I’ll be back😂
S2 is even better than S1. HBO have a great semi-anthology format on there hands. As long as they can keep the writing sharp and attract A-list caliber talent, it’ll keep winning.
You literally explained to yourself how the godfather parallel does work and is recontextualized, and then said “but idk why I don’t like it…” maybe it’s just good ol’ snobbery… Still a lot great commentary in the video that i do agree with though.
Albie Did not exploit directly anyone Also he insisted his father to give a huge amount of money to the sex worker On his own he was stupid(maybe the writer wanted his character to portray an inexperienced person in dating or sexual relations) and harmful to himself but not to anyone else. Like- 1)falling(romantically) for a sex worker(lucia) who is doing their job 2) trusting unknown people(lucia) who they just met and giving them huge amounts of money and thinking Lucia would migrate to LA and that would be easier for them to date. That scene was where he talks about regressive ,patriarchal construct with his family that are some normal conversation people have with their conservative(even some blue libs have some conservative ideas like the hogs-actual conservative,fasicts) family members. Infact , Lucia came on to him when he was basically rejected by Portia not the other way around as u tried to say in this video He never coerced and forced anyone to do anything they didn't wanna do(Except maybe to his father which 50k USD is nothing to Dominic who admitted himself that 50k was a bucket in an ocean) And the writer made the lazy move and try to put bowtie at the end with the scene of 3 generations turning back and staring at a presumably attractive afab person To make some kind of point("see at the end all men r the same" so basically expressing gender essentialism) which totally negates the whole portraiture they have given to Albie throughout the series of having empathy towards marginalized even though class solidarity(capitalists) should not have made him like that, as rich people have the most class solidarity than the working class,bc they know they have to stick ,if they not they would brought down. And I agree 1st season when their theme was colonization and current cultural genocide by the imperial core nation's-labor aristocrats on the stolen lands and their people,but in the end and even by the last half of season 1 colonization as a topic and as a plot got cast aside. They focused on the individual families and their conflicts, writing felt lazy or they were trying to collect some brownie points they wanted to dabble in some anti-imperialist topics and get out of it bc u have keep the white viewers(labor aristocrats in imperial core nations) not feel bad and enjoy the exotic location and its beauty and it wants u to go there too for vacation. 2nd season I don't know they didn't have any overall theme like they at least tried in season 1 with settler colonization and ongoing cultural erasure. Pointless plots with some people dying with only one important person who cared about the old rich lady forget her name that's it, we didn't care about anyone else dying in this season. The bad thing was that plot made us actually forget about the inevitable murder that was going to happen and in the last ep all shit happened up until that we were witnessing family and romantic partner drama That's what happens when arts majors and film students don't have an iota of dialectical materialism or historical materialism or at least basic material analysis/pov of the world, Instead, they only delve into idealism which makes half-baked political statements in their work and they feel like yeah "I am being neutral here"(committing the middle ground fallacy) Stating plebs are also horny and engage in sex and sit around and the rich(exploiter) are also horny and have sex and sit around all day. "No difference, Everyone doing their own thing ,don't politicize everything man". False equivalence through the roof😂, that's what happens when an artist has no material analysis of the world. i don't expect world-changing change from any media, I enjoyed this series, and that's it, for that we need to organize our workplace and spread class consciousness among the working class. but I also can criticize its lacking at the same time, so that the creator and the viewers can make, expect better content next time
Wow, your comment is all over the place. What he meant about Albi is that he think as himself as a nice guy but he is pushy and invasive with Portia and he kind of expects a relationship with Lucia in exchange for the money. About the money, 50k is a LOT of money 😅. The "overal theme" of the seasson was sex, as colonialism had been in the first season (there is a clip in this video of the creator of the show saying this). On your other comments, I would advise you to read more and stay away from tik tok
@@estefaniaboujon6830 50k to his father is nothing as they admitted themselves apart from that wrong info u have bestowed upon, u have added nothing new to what i have said in the og comment. also replying to yt comment and at the same time saying unironically "stay away from tiktok" in honesty i have never used tik tok,at the same time ,i don't have any high n mighty pov of being a yt viewer instead of "tiktok user" unlike some people like u. and the thing about "all over the place" ,what do u expect from comment section of yt , Mx. youtube aficionado and critic of tiktok.
cleaned up version Albie Did not exploit directly anyone Also he insisted his father to give a huge amount of money to the sex worker On his own he was stupid(maybe the writer wanted his character to portray an inexperienced person in dating or sexual relations) and harmful to himself but not to anyone else. Like- 1)falling(romantically) for a sex worker(lucia) who is doing their job 2) trusting unknown people(lucia) who they just met and giving them huge amounts of money and thinking Lucia would migrate to LA and that would be easier for them to date. That scene was where he talks about regressive ,patriarchal construct with his family that are some normal conversation people have with their conservative(even some blue libs have some conservative ideas like the hogs-actual conservative,fasicts) family members. Infact , Lucia came on to him when he was basically rejected by Portia not the other way around as u tried to say in this video He never coerced and forced anyone to do anything they didn't wanna do(Except maybe to his father which 50k USD is nothing to Dominic who admitted himself that 50k was a bucket in an ocean) And the writer made the lazy move and try to put bowtie at the end with the scene of 3 generations turning back and staring at a presumably attractive afab person To make some kind of point("see at the end all men r the same" so basically expressing gender essentialism) which totally negates the whole portraiture they have given to Albie throughout the series of having empathy towards marginalized even though class solidarity(capitalists) should not have made him like that, as rich people have the most class solidarity than the working class,bc they know they have to stick ,if they not they would brought down. And I agree 1st season when their theme was colonization and current cultural genocide by the imperial core nation's-labor aristocrats on the stolen lands and their people,but in the end and even by the last half of season 1 colonization as a topic and as a plot got cast aside. They focused on the individual families and their conflicts, writing felt lazy or they were trying to collect some brownie points they wanted to dabble in some anti-imperialist topics and get out of it bc u have keep the white viewers(labor aristocrats in imperial core nations) not feel bad and enjoy the exotic location and its beauty and it wants u to go there too for vacation. 2nd season I don't know they didn't have any overall theme like they at least tried in season 1 with settler colonization and ongoing cultural erasure. Pointless plots with some people dying with only one important person who cared about the old rich lady forget her name that's it, we didn't care about anyone else dying in this season. The bad thing was that plot made us actually forget about the inevitable murder that was going to happen and in the last ep all shit happened up until that we were witnessing family and romantic partner drama That's what happens when arts majors and film students don't have an iota of dialectical materialism or historical materialism or at least basic material analysis/pov of the world,
Instead, they only delve into idealism which makes half-baked political statements in their work and they feel like yeah "I am being neutral here"(committing the middle ground fallacy) Stating plebs are also horny and engage in sex and sit around and the rich(exploiter) are also horny and have sex and sit around all day. "No difference, Everyone doing their own thing ,don't politicize everything man". False equivalence through the roof😂, that's what happens when an artist has no material analysis of the world. i don't expect world-changing change from any media, I enjoyed this series, and that's it, for that we need to organize our workplace and spread class consciousness among the working class. but I also can criticize its lacking at the same time, so that the creator and the viewers can make, expect better content next time
FINALLY!! I thought I was only one with this view, season 1 was high concept, clever, and hit themes that werent overly explored. Wasn’t perfect, but at least tried something new and overall hit the mark. Season 2 was good, but how many times have we seen love/lust/sex/power been the theme of a movie and series? Just felt easy and lacked much depth to me
Too me this theme of sex in White Lotus is very different to most. It's rare that a show critiques sex to the extent this season has, and shows the power sex has. I am happy Mike White decided to change what the main theme was and still give it the same development.
Sure sex is a very common topic, but the way this season approached it was very nuanced and insightful, I don't think that movies/shows have to stop talking about sex as a theme just because its so prevalent in media, its talked about for a reason, sex is a massive part of humanity and society, that's like saying media should stop having themes about money and greed because it's done so much, sure if it's done generically then I agree, but the writing and perspective of this season isn't generic.
@@jpeg204 I guess that’s the beauty about art, it’s so subjective and people can have polarizing opinions about the exact same piece of work. I understand sex is a necessary and huge part of society, I love sex as much as the next person, but I’m saying that I believe it’s a topic that is easy to explore, rather than imperialism, colonialism, white privilege and other uncomfortable topics that season one hit; which made me love white lotus so much. Also season 1 was funnier. But that’s just my opinion.
@@leahbyrne4597 season one was so much funnier without necessarily trying hard . I barely laughed watching season 2 , I was extremely bored. It was repetitive and not very smart writing compared to the first season
I also agree that the first season *looked* better like you said, it felt like they put more thought into the way the first season looked versus less thought about season two, because season two also feels messier.
I also found myself skipping so much dialogue and b-roll because it had very black mirror esque levels of depth. i get the symbolism. please move on lol
My take on the reviewer: Frustrated writer who can’t admit to a great show. Trying to find things to complain about it without a good reason, can’t never find satisfaction (such a Portia). Had to stop video half way since his ego makes him show his smug and annoying face all the time. Luckily I could see who the sponsor of the video is. I will never buy anything from HelloFresh ever…
Anyone else have conflicting feelings about Coolidge’s performance? I like her, but I personally feel like the praise about her performance was overblown. I was happy Tanya died because I was getting tired of the character. What do other people think about Coolidge and her acting?
Coolidge was fine IMO …BUT I actually felt like the character’s storyline was overshadowed in S2. I actually felt like Aubrey Plaza’s performance in S2 was overrated. Meghann Fahy was much better IMO.
@Hazel Singh I agree honestly. Particularly for me, watching her in the first season was such an odd experience for me. on one hand everyone is holding her on a pedestal but on another, for me of course, her scenes just were not my favorite at all.
@@teenie36214 100% agree with your second point. Aubrey Plaza's performance was good but talked up way too much because she's an internet darling. Megann Fahy was better and one of the standouts of the entire season.
Me: sees titles, doesn’t watch video yet Yes. Fuck yes. Season 2 was way better than season 1 in terms of character interactions and character storylines.
Best analysis of the show I’ve seen/heard thus far. Definitely think the second season is generally more interesting than the first, but I’m still not sold on it. I just don’t think Mike White is that great a writer. Flat characters with all depth essentially amounting to the revelation of trauma. Satire is totally toothless and really obvious. Still occasionally entertaining, but I just can’t take it as seriously as people seem to want you to.
This essay was so airtight and near perfect that I have but one comment: *SPOILER ALERT*... Ethan didn't do anything though. Like he literally did nothing. How is he "gaslighting" Harper? When he does do something it's at the end in retaliation and you can tell by their body language at the last dinner in Sicily that he informed Harper of whatever happened with Daphne. So am I many times confusion on the point of gaslighting.
I think he missused the word gaslight. However the argument between Harper and Ethan after they talk about the condom wrapper felt very immature on his part. Like when he asks when has he ever lied to her.
I was disappointed with the romanticization of prostitution in 2 season. And the dialogs just weren't as good and deep as in 1. Very much like the first season, bored with the second. It just feels unfinished, and raw.
The second season was way worse and I have no idea why people prefer it. So much less happens, it's so much more boring, so much less interesting, so much less funny...
A lot of people liked season 2 better than the first! I loved the new season but it could’ve used more intertwined depth between the guests… and I personally was so sad about Tanya’s fate… wish she went out in a more creative way
I think vanquishing her killers and having a fatal clumsy accident is a pretty creative way to go. Mike White said he hated the thought of letting Tanya be killed by someone else.
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I actually preferred the second season over the first, since I felt that it was drawn out better, particularly the mystery element. However, one thing that the first did better was by having more of the guests mingling with each other. This time round, we only really had Portia and Albie talking.
First season was definitely funnier. Season 2 had way more drama and a bit better imo
I thought season 2 was miles better. I also liked that there wasn't alot of co mingling. It was more realistic to me that way, alot of people go on vacation and don't really socialize too much with the other guests just pretty much the people they came with
Not really. Lucia has basically slept with all of the men on the show haha.
The hotel manager also intermingles with a lot of characters
@@nordette The dynamic between the two couples was so good. My favorite part for sure.
For me, first season “meant” more as a multi-racial, part Hawaiian. It meant a lot to me to know that a white writer/director was able to bravely and unabashedly tackle concepts like colonization, excuses, assumptions, and lies for BOTH sides of the coin.
But S2 definitely had more momentum/tragedy if that makes sense. Like I definitely “felt” sorry for the characters more often in S2, maybe pity is the better word. I love both so much though!
Most of your critiques about the character patterns, repetition and structure of the show is literally a critique on human behavior. Most stories showcase character development in a drastic way, a sort of Shakespearean approach; I think the White Lotus tackles how people don’t really change overnight if they change at all. So it makes sense for the story lines to progress the way they do for some of the characters because it leaves you with an the feeling that these people are humans and they’re messy. I think the White Lotus has a way of making you wonder if these people will ever really change and almost motivates you to BE better, while most stories kind of tie everything together neatly FOR you, leaving you with that satisfying feeling that you’ve done something just because you were rooting for the “good guy”. I think the White Lotis did it’s job in making us see ourselves in these people who we would otherwise write off as spoiled (which some of them are) and provides us with a more complex perspective on class, relationship and sexual dynamics. All in all great show.
exactly!
yep, also some characters can't change. they are doomed, greek-tragedy-style, this was nuanced a few times in the show, additionally sicily was a greek colony, and taormina was a sex tourism destination back in the 19th c for rich euros, gay n straight
it's not necessary to replicate reality to tell an impactful story. it's just one note
The wrong hotel room situation was the whole point of the character. He wouldn’t let it go.
Exactly, Taylor seems to have missed the point
Valentina was by far the most interesting character to me. I loved the scene of her eating lunch with the kittens. A quiet scene that reveals a kind person hidden under that sharp managerial persona. I wished there was more scenes of her.
I was surprized to hear that you think there was no development to Rachel and Shane's relationship. It's one of the most exciting developments to me to see what happened to how Rachel feels about her marriage and how Shane deliberately doesn't want to notice anything that happens in their marriage. It's definitely not a "honeymoon sweet tension" that "carries on for the rest of the season"
Did it need to be renewed? No. It could have stood well on it’s own as a miniseries.
Did it make the transition to full anthology show successfully? Yes. White Lotus avoided the trap of peaking in Season 1 by having a second season that’s as good as the first, if not better.
i think the armond dying and the rich dude not facing any consequence is pretty on par with the themes of privilege etc in WL season 1. Same as the spa lady
Ethan and Albie as the most deplorable characters this season? That's so wildly off the mark. They're not even the most deplorable characters in their respective subgroups.
Yeah came here to comment this lol but what a terrible take. Albie has flaws for sure but he’s debatably the nicest person in the entire show
I unsubscribed after that... and I was a recent subscriber, after "the menu" video lol
Probably because the video creator identifies most with them. We hate in other what we hate about ourselves.
@@emiliaw5186 lmao😂😂yeah this lad isn’t as smart as he thinks
@@ludvigInLegendaryLands Lol, I mean... you know he's definitely a "nice guy" in real life, hahaha.
calling all these actors B-listed lord have mercy
This video shows that just because someone makes an essay style video on a clever incredibly well written show doesn’t mean their video itself will be clever as this guy’s thesis is pure shit but at least explained with courage lol
Yeah, but oh well... we can't be always right.
Just to be clear, as they are two VERY different things: that's not the Colosseum. Which is in Rome, Italian Peninsula, 80 AD. That's Teatro Greco di Taormina, Island of Sicily, 301 AD.
Personally I thought season 2 was EVEN BETTER than season 1. Not to mention the fact that it continues to be one of the watched and awarded shows on HBO. So yeahh. I’d say it was “worth” renewing lmao
Lol yeah this lad just needed to make a video so he reached for something 😂
Jack was a standout character! The actor portrayed his progression really perfectly
Yes definitely underrated, I specifically liked his drunk hotel scene where he revealed some details to Portia
@@westernmonk6036 It was just so natural. I never stopped to think that he was an actor playing a character. He was Jack
Lol what
We have different concepts of progression 😂🤣 but I agree
@@AdviceFromAHipoCrite Progression from the audience’s perspective. Obviously, the character didn’t really have an arc, but he changed for the audience
finally an essay acknowledging albie's hypocrisy...
I felt like he is this season's paula, the one who is supposed to be different but very clearly isn't, but since they are Sad About The Bad Things, a lot of people seem to miss that.
Album was wrong for what he did to his mom…, HIS MOM!
I've never seen Taylor so unsure of how he feels about a piece of media 😂
I just watched the 2 seasons this week and i feel conflicted AF! Lets see what he has to say 👀
It just seems that you want to find every possible negative thing you can say about each scene, it's annoying
Season 2 took a lot from Succession in terms of visuals, lighting and color grading but also it has the same tone, similar themes and humor.
I liked it way better actually, the writing felt more hbo and less netflix if that makes sense.
The humor in succession reminds me of the humour in modern family. Its like they have a huge sign that says “laugh” after a joke is told.
As deep as this analysis goes not sure how you missed that when Albie et al go to find their distant relatives they are met with 3 women who scream at them to go away ... echoing their awful way they treat and think about women.
Okay… When people do flim or TV reviews it really bothers me how everyone judges things in how it “relates to the plot” for example when you spoke about Ethan and how he had a come to Jesus moment multiple times before he would just turn into a screaming teenager again or the married couple who continued to argue about the room… I understand that while yes the writers could have chosen to elaborate on it.. let’s look at it from the lens of the characters both Ethan and the honeymoon sweet couple ( can’t remember their names as I write this) lack emotional depth.. or in the couples case we know the husband doesn’t.. so of course they will continue to have the same battle because the character was written for us to examine as an audience but the character is acting on thoughts and feelings that started before the show… while it may seem that the plot isn’t fully developed I think the character are written this way to feed in to the satire that the plot is creating..
Season 1 was great but Season 2….I freaking loved.
Season 2 was great, especially in terms of character development, acting, and storylines. It was fun to watch. Taylor, I think you were looking for too much or maybe just something different. The key to the show is that White just keeps you guessing. That’s fun.
I think Taylor's just out to yuck our yum. They need to lighten up!! Can't wait for Season 3!!!
I am consider myself a picky viewer and i loved the second season, it was interesting and had a good pace, characters made sense and writing was very good, if you look at shows Netflix is producing, this looks like a competely different level. Its not perfect, but for me its in top 5% of all shows.
This is an HBO show, not a Netflix show.
Don't agree with a lot of this video but I love it, thanks for always making great videos, Rohmer references are always deeply appreciated
I agree, I also disagree, but thx
Mike White gets a pass for stealing from THE GODFATHER because he telegraphs it in the search of the Digrasso family for their Sicilian roots; the riffs about toxic masculinity in the movie; and the search for actual locations from the film. That makes it more of an homage. -- like the shot for shot steal from Antonioni's L'Aventura in Harper's walk of shame in Noto.
Okay holy shit I love the first 6 minutes so far. I wrote an entire essay on how I thought white lotus ep 1 was and did fail on so many levels and watching the rest of the season took me months to even do. But this second season. I came in with no expectations. Same with the first season. Crazy how they contrast. I truly think they nailed season 2
I like that each season (so far) seems to centre on a theme, season one is about colonialism and wokeness and season 2 is all about sex and power. I'm interested to see how White will tackle death in season 3 especially since these overarching themes showcase many different perspectives via the variety of characters!
It warms my heart that someone young enough to be my kid uses the word "yuppie," a word my grandfather threw around when I was little.
I just think the first season felt more purposeful and scary. The music, the camerawork, the storyline-there was always this ominous hint that murder was impending. I didn’t feel like the second season had that same mystery
Yes same I felt the second season was so predictable
I feel the exact opposite way (I prefer Season 2) for the exact same reasons you just gave ? Visually, the first Season is superior, I just fail to see how purposeful and scary the first season was in comparison to the second one - especially considering its unsatisfying conclusion.
@@donamariadubois2402 It really wasn't ? I predicted a lot of the first season, but barely anything about the second (especially that plot twist).
@@20000dino That's so funny, I felt like the first season's conclusion was much more satisfying than the second. I understand her death fit her character, but I didn't love Jennifer Coolidge's demise. I thought the resort manager's passing was much more of a satisfying payoff
I am sorry but I think you have so overdone the criticism that I am absolutely lost. I found myself feeling that season 1 had elements of Beverly Hills 90120. Season 2 was much more fun. Just the 3 men are amazing actors. The 2 couples are just plain fun. Especially Theo James and Meghann Fahy. They have both wonderful chemistry and they have comparable sense of humors. I would love to see you more of them in a spin-off. I also think Aubrey and Will might grow on you . Lastly the 2 girls and Portia along with Albie were just some millennial fun. Season 2 was far better . More potential storylines.
Season 3 is showing Gooch
Yes it was. So much more unpredictable and intriguing than most shows. The characters felt real.
Well it's not a marvel movie, we are not here for the story, we are here for the conversation between the characters which is a social critic of the current state of the world
I totally disagree about the look of the second season. Imo it was beautifully shot, the grading was balanced and had a fantasitc relatiionship between good values and color. especially the beautiful architectural elements within the large estates were displayed in a masterful way that empasised the aburd levels of detail and oppulence.
I do somewhat agree about some of the exterior daytime shots being too crisp and boring, but where this show excells is the interiors and night time shots. The grading and lighting has a very sophisticated feel, playing on the sophistication of italian art history.
I much preferred Season 2 !
Cameron not paying Lucia for an extended period of time gave us the audience the hint that everything happening with Albie was a set-up. Bc if the guy stalking her etc. was really her pimp, he would have threatened Cameron already for the money. So for people who were thinking maybe Lucia is falling for albie and this is a love story etc. The hints were there
Just because there is male genitalia in the first episode of the first and second season does not mean Mike White is following a template that this is included in. I predict White was not even conscious of this reoccurrence, and they are used for very different reasons anyway. You also think that the Quinn’s character arc in S1 does not progress beyond seeing the sublime beauty in nature, sure it repeats as he mulls over his life and future, however his arc goes much further than what you acknowledge it is not just a repeating thing that does nothing else, he decides to leave his family and stay in Hawaii and bond with other males on the rowing squad. You missed highlighting this point. I think you are too caught up in your own trying to project a superior intellectual overview, i.e. pretentious, that you miss the meat of the show.
Bruh totally love your point!!!! but it’s totally mute, he was just joking that HBO feels like it has to show make nudity to affirm yes this is HBO you are watching hahahahaha
You would be right but he’s not saying anything against what you said! He was just joking lol
I find you just plain overdoing it. You are way too important for most of us who care for your opinion. Who cares. Doing you enjoy anything. Just go cook your food.
@@anitapemstein51 😴😴😴😴 Boring and bad grammar.
@@anitapemstein51 ???
An anthology TV show is a series that is made up of self-contained episodes, each of which tells a different story. Each episode of an anthology TV show is typically standalone and may have a different cast, setting, and plot from the other episodes. Anthology TV shows can be found in a variety of genres, including drama, horror, and science fiction. Some examples of anthology TV shows include "The Twilight Zone," "Black Mirror," and "The Outer Limits."
I feel like the reason the gays didn’t kill Tanya earlier is that they genuinely liked her. One of them even says that he wanted her to have the perfect night. I really think they viewed her as their Diva Queen and that she deserved a great send off.
Because it has shirtless Will Sharpe in it, Yes...
The White Lotus Season 3: Just the Shaft
i was so bored w season 1, but binged season 2
You need to watch more Italian Cinema😂
I think for a show that is so unbelievably brilliant this is an extremely pretentious critique of it, so pretentious in fact that it misses the point entirely and eclipses it in complete obscurity
Is the show really that brilliant? Personally I think I’ve seen better shows that try to examine these themes, but hey to each their own.
I didn’t really feel like the video was that pretentious, but that’s Taylor’s style as a video essayist, watch someone else if you’re not into his vibe.
@@hazelsingh3887 i've never in my life seen a show that has ever encapsulated so many people in my own life-sometimes down even to the haircuts. they're so real it is painful to watch at points to me. as for the review being pretentious, i could write paragraphs about why this seems so pretentious and more paragraphs about how true to life i feel like this show is, but i don't want to spend the time doing either honestly. i didn't choose to watch the video based on having seen anything from the channel before; i've never heard of this channel before.
I liked season 2 in the way that I already liked White Lotus and would generally enjoy any season that was similar to the first. However, idk I was much more engaged for the first one. I cared more about the plot lines and characters even if I hated them. In the second I felt annoyed by the repetition. Like the hotel manager being awkward over and over and I cringed every time. Or the couple whose names I forget, I just wanted them both to just have a normal conversation BEFORE one or both of them were at a breaking point. Like why didn't you ask what was up as soon as she randomly stopped talking? It just frustrated me to no end... that being said I still finished it all immediately and was invested in the ending, but I'm hoping for a 3rd season that I find as engaging as the first
You are right about Tonya's story. I wish that went a different way, but also the same way.
The pretentiousness of this YTer is unbearable. DRC hit right away.
Why's no one talking about how the creator was on the Survivor.
Jeez this was a terrible analysis of the show off.
Way off.
I thought I was alone 😂. First 5 minutes I was like umm, I think he’s missing the point of the show
@@Kcashgunna assumes these connections that aren’t real, then sort of mocks these non-existent connections.
The show is brilliant because it’s nuanced and complicated and there is no clear right and wrong, just like life.
rest assured, our scientists are hard at work finding a way to diffuse the sun
Time to form my entire opinion around this video since I have never seen white lotus 🙏 thank you
Please don’t.
i hope you are joking
the colosseum is in rome...
both brilliant seasons bring on the 3rd
It was worth it and will be worth it again and again - I LOVE THIS SHOW!!!
For some reason, this video brought to mind a song from Adventure Time, "Everything Stays". It's one of my favorites.
Let's go in the garden
You'll find something waiting
Right there where you left it lying upside down
When you finally find it
You'll see that it's faded
The underside is lighter when you turn it around
Everything stays right where you left it
Everything stays but it still changes
Ever so slightly, daily and nightly,
In little ways, when everything stays
Go down to the ocean
The crystal tide is raising
Water's gotten higher as the shore washes out
Keep your eyes wide open
Even when the sun is blazing
The moon controls the tide, it could cause you to drown
Everything stays right where you left it
Everything stays, but it still changes
Ever so slightly, daily and nightly
In little ways, when everything stays
I really like this, and it's deeply meaningful to me. In the first part, the object has been there for so long that while it isn't an inherently different object, and it hasn't moved, it's sun- and weather-worn. It theoretically functions as intended, but it's old, and it shows. In the second part, change happens so slowly it looks as though nothing has changed at all... at least until it's become so overwhelming that it's impossible to keep up, and the illusion that you ever had control is lost for good.
I have no idea what you're talking about, but I love your enthusiasm. I like when people share extremely specific small things they love 😁
@@avilesandres "Everything Stays" is like the second most famous Adventure Time song, I don't think it's "small".
@@20000dino My bad buddy
Dude i am so glad I found ur channel
I think the first season was so different because each character had a major shift in mindset or change of perspective. The second season everyone kind of walks away unevolved.
So many bad takes
This dude has been gradually losing credibility for a long while now
Riding off the reviews he did for 13 reasons
season 1 is definitely better in terms of writing. season 2 is still a fun watch, but some of the subplots felt like they went nowhere. the 4-some couples were almost entirely meh, and lucia's scam felt very underwhelming in the end, like you know she'll get the money, but that's it basically. jennifer coolidge is still hilarious in season 2 but the whole murder plot felt borderline soap opera.
the most interesting characters in this season are the hotel manager, the other escort who performed at the piano, and the 3-generetion italian-americans.
@@Fluorineer
if this show gets a season 3, it'll have a missing piece for sure. i don't care about the husband greg. he was more of a contrast to her character than a character to care about. they can't just replace her and create a similar role.
The 4some couples were the most interesting to me, along with the tree guys. The piano girl and the manager felt very meh
@@Fluorineer How does it ruin her purpose in the show? You were the one that made the assumption that she would star in every season, it's not the shows fault that it didn't adhere to your silly assumption. And if her "purpose" was to be a joke about how all her vacations are ruined by dead bodies then that would be shitty writing, why would they create a lead character only for the purpose of a single gag, that would suck.
errrr... yeah, that's not the Colosseum buddy..
While both seasons are entertaining TV, Season One did a better job of critiquing wealth, class, and self-perception than Season Two did at critiquing marriage, infidelity, insecurity, patriarchy, wealth, generational divide, etc. Neither season approached the level of _The Sopranos_ , _The Wire_ , and _Breaking Bad_ . However, Season Two was more cliched than Season One.
I like the show and the characters so much that I wanted to know more about the writer- director- producer in that order.
Preferred season 2 over its predecessor because of the whole Sicily vibe, the characters were a bit more likeable, the two escort girls were the best addition to this season, Jennifer Coolidge raised her acting game to another level in the last episode which was so intense......
Only the Aubrey's storyline was a bit too slow for me, like her onscreen husband behaved basically the same throughout almost the whole season, thank god there was some confrontation by the end but definitely not my favourite storyline.
F. Murray Abraham has such a nice, calming presence, I'm so glad he can be seen a lot recently in movies and shows.
I enjoyed season 1 much more. I thought the theme wasn't strictly about colonialism. But more broadly about different examples of the power dynamic between the have and have-nots. While lots of their individual stories didn't necessarily go very far, it was more about the uneven relationships and hypocrisies that would slowly develop the characters. I just liked that it was more of a slice of life slow-burn that was about theme more than plot. The climax was just how each character responded to their respective situations.
Meanwhile season 2 was the opposite. Being very plot driven and revolving about extremely dramatic storylines. But I think it was at the cost of every character being very serious and somewhat bland. I think Tanya, Jack and Portia were really the only interesting personalities that fed off each other. Everyone else were really just stick-figures moving the plot forward. While I still enjoyed it overall. I just felt it wasn't written with purpose like season 1.
Season 2 was just as strongly thematic as season 1 was, except this time the theme wasn't focused on colonialism and was more focus on sex, infidelity, how power dynamics relate to sex/relationships, etc. and it was written just as well as season 1 in terms of themes, maybe even better.
Season 2 is literally so much better at everything you mentioned about Season 1, but okay, sure
@@20000dino It's literally not but okay sure.
What more did Mike White have to say, you ask?
He said, boys will be boys. Oh, and women can play the game as long as they’re beautiful and sexually active.
I know he says more than this, but that final scene had me fuming: everyone is happy because they can accept monogamy as a relic of the past, and… again, boys will be boys. This season asks piercing questions only to answer them with excruciatingly archaic answers. I wish the answers were simply presented as a perspective, but rather the message is delivered with finality, a declaration, like, this is just the way the world is.
The first season actually had some hope and redemption. The second plants us in a world run by primarily men’s sexual urges (and consequently women responding in order to keep up) telling us that wanting anything higher is actually asking people not to be human.
I know the storytelling here is worth the discussion, but what’s it telling us to believe about the world, about the way it should be?
S tier Taylor J Williams. Came back and listened to it again :))
In my opinion, no. I think the first season was clearer and had a much more focused message.
Yes, next question
great video! loved what you had to say about its connection to the godfather and its sort-of self reflexive commentary on the state of contemporary cinema- lots of ideas i had never considered but feel so clear now. this video definitely made me appreciate some parts of season 2 more but also highlighted a lot of my issues with it. lots to think about.
I’ve decided I wanna watch it now just because of the B…I mean A- listers, because I hadn’t realized they were in it😅. So, I’m gonna pause this, but I’ll be back😂
S2 is even better than S1. HBO have a great semi-anthology format on there hands. As long as they can keep the writing sharp and attract A-list caliber talent, it’ll keep winning.
You literally explained to yourself how the godfather parallel does work and is recontextualized, and then said “but idk why I don’t like it…” maybe it’s just good ol’ snobbery…
Still a lot great commentary in the video that i do agree with though.
Albie
Did not exploit directly anyone
Also he insisted his father to give a huge amount of money to the sex worker
On his own he was stupid(maybe the writer wanted his character to portray an inexperienced person in dating or sexual relations) and harmful to himself but not to anyone else.
Like-
1)falling(romantically) for a sex worker(lucia) who is doing their job
2) trusting unknown people(lucia) who they just met and giving them huge amounts of money and thinking Lucia would migrate to LA and that would be easier for them to date.
That scene was where he talks about regressive ,patriarchal construct with his family that are some normal conversation people have with their conservative(even some blue libs have some conservative ideas like the hogs-actual conservative,fasicts) family members.
Infact , Lucia came on to him when he was basically rejected by Portia not the other way around as u tried to say in this video
He never coerced and forced anyone to do anything they didn't wanna do(Except maybe to his father which 50k USD is nothing to Dominic who admitted himself that 50k was a bucket in an ocean)
And the writer made the lazy move and try to put bowtie at the end with the scene of 3 generations turning back and staring at a presumably attractive afab person
To make some kind of point("see at the end all men r the same" so basically expressing gender essentialism) which totally negates the whole portraiture they have given to Albie throughout the series of having empathy towards marginalized even though class solidarity(capitalists) should not have made him like that, as rich people have the most class solidarity than the working class,bc they know they have to stick ,if they not they would brought down.
And I agree 1st season when their theme was colonization and current cultural genocide by the imperial core nation's-labor aristocrats on the stolen lands and their people,but in the end and even by the last half of season 1 colonization as a topic and as a plot got cast aside.
They focused on the individual families and their conflicts, writing felt lazy or they were trying to collect some brownie points they wanted to dabble in some anti-imperialist topics and get out of it bc u have keep the white viewers(labor aristocrats in imperial core nations) not feel bad and enjoy the exotic location and its beauty and it wants u to go there too for vacation.
2nd season I don't know they didn't have any overall theme like they at least tried in season 1 with settler colonization and ongoing cultural erasure.
Pointless plots with some people dying with only one important person who cared about the old rich lady forget her name that's it, we didn't care about anyone else dying in this season.
The bad thing was that plot made us actually forget about the inevitable murder that was going to happen and in the last ep all shit happened up until that we were witnessing family and romantic partner drama
That's what happens when arts majors and film students don't have an iota of dialectical materialism or historical materialism or at least basic material analysis/pov of the world,
Instead, they only delve into idealism which makes half-baked political statements in their work and they feel like yeah "I am being neutral here"(committing the middle ground fallacy)
Stating plebs are also horny and engage in sex and sit around and the rich(exploiter) are also horny and have sex and sit around all day.
"No difference, Everyone doing their own thing ,don't politicize everything man".
False equivalence through the roof😂, that's what happens when an artist has no material analysis of the world.
i don't expect world-changing change from any media, I enjoyed this series, and that's it, for that we need to organize our workplace and spread class consciousness among the working class.
but I also can criticize its lacking at the same time, so that the creator and the viewers can make, expect better content next time
Wow, your comment is all over the place. What he meant about Albi is that he think as himself as a nice guy but he is pushy and invasive with Portia and he kind of expects a relationship with Lucia in exchange for the money. About the money, 50k is a LOT of money 😅. The "overal theme" of the seasson was sex, as colonialism had been in the first season (there is a clip in this video of the creator of the show saying this). On your other comments, I would advise you to read more and stay away from tik tok
@@estefaniaboujon6830 50k to his father is nothing as they admitted themselves
apart from that wrong info u have bestowed upon, u have added nothing new to what i have said in the og comment.
also replying to yt comment and at the same time saying unironically "stay away from tiktok"
in honesty i have never used tik tok,at the same time ,i don't have any high n mighty pov of being a yt viewer instead of "tiktok user" unlike some people like u.
and the thing about "all over the place" ,what do u expect from comment section of yt , Mx. youtube aficionado and critic of tiktok.
cleaned up version
Albie
Did not exploit directly anyone
Also he insisted his father to give a huge amount of money to the sex worker
On his own he was stupid(maybe the writer wanted his character to portray an inexperienced person in dating or sexual relations) and harmful to himself but not to anyone else.
Like-
1)falling(romantically) for a sex worker(lucia) who is doing their job
2) trusting unknown people(lucia) who they just met and giving them huge amounts of money and thinking Lucia would migrate to LA and that would be easier for them to date.
That scene was where he talks about regressive ,patriarchal construct with his family that are some normal conversation people have with their conservative(even some blue libs have some conservative ideas like the hogs-actual conservative,fasicts) family members.
Infact , Lucia came on to him when he was basically rejected by Portia not the other way around as u tried to say in this video
He never coerced and forced anyone to do anything they didn't wanna do(Except maybe to his father which 50k USD is nothing to Dominic who admitted himself that 50k was a bucket in an ocean)
And the writer made the lazy move and try to put bowtie at the end with the scene of 3 generations turning back and staring at a presumably attractive afab person
To make some kind of point("see at the end all men r the same" so basically expressing gender essentialism) which totally negates the whole portraiture they have given to Albie throughout the series of having empathy towards marginalized even though class solidarity(capitalists) should not have made him like that, as rich people have the most class solidarity than the working class,bc they know they have to stick ,if they not they would brought down.
And I agree 1st season when their theme was colonization and current cultural genocide by the imperial core nation's-labor aristocrats on the stolen lands and their people,but in the end and even by the last half of season 1 colonization as a topic and as a plot got cast aside.
They focused on the individual families and their conflicts, writing felt lazy or they were trying to collect some brownie points they wanted to dabble in some anti-imperialist topics and get out of it bc u have keep the white viewers(labor aristocrats in imperial core nations) not feel bad and enjoy the exotic location and its beauty and it wants u to go there too for vacation.
2nd season I don't know they didn't have any overall theme like they at least tried in season 1 with settler colonization and ongoing cultural erasure.
Pointless plots with some people dying with only one important person who cared about the old rich lady forget her name that's it, we didn't care about anyone else dying in this season.
The bad thing was that plot made us actually forget about the inevitable murder that was going to happen and in the last ep all shit happened up until that we were witnessing family and romantic partner drama
That's what happens when arts majors and film students don't have an iota of dialectical materialism or historical materialism or at least basic material analysis/pov of the world,
Instead, they only delve into idealism which makes half-baked political statements in their work and they feel like yeah "I am being neutral here"(committing the middle ground fallacy)
Stating plebs are also horny and engage in sex and sit around and the rich(exploiter) are also horny and have sex and sit around all day.
"No difference, Everyone doing their own thing ,don't politicize everything man".
False equivalence through the roof😂, that's what happens when an artist has no material analysis of the world.
i don't expect world-changing change from any media, I enjoyed this series, and that's it, for that we need to organize our workplace and spread class consciousness among the working class.
but I also can criticize its lacking at the same time, so that the creator and the viewers can make, expect better content next time
“Presumably afab person”
This comment was already cringe but holy shit, had to stop reading. Touch grass, freak.
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FINALLY!! I thought I was only one with this view, season 1 was high concept, clever, and hit themes that werent overly explored. Wasn’t perfect, but at least tried something new and overall hit the mark. Season 2 was good, but how many times have we seen love/lust/sex/power been the theme of a movie and series? Just felt easy and lacked much depth to me
Too me this theme of sex in White Lotus is very different to most. It's rare that a show critiques sex to the extent this season has, and shows the power sex has. I am happy Mike White decided to change what the main theme was and still give it the same development.
Sure sex is a very common topic, but the way this season approached it was very nuanced and insightful, I don't think that movies/shows have to stop talking about sex as a theme just because its so prevalent in media, its talked about for a reason, sex is a massive part of humanity and society, that's like saying media should stop having themes about money and greed because it's done so much, sure if it's done generically then I agree, but the writing and perspective of this season isn't generic.
@@jpeg204 I guess that’s the beauty about art, it’s so subjective and people can have polarizing opinions about the exact same piece of work.
I understand sex is a necessary and huge part of society, I love sex as much as the next person, but I’m saying that I believe it’s a topic that is easy to explore, rather than imperialism, colonialism, white privilege and other uncomfortable topics that season one hit; which made me love white lotus so much. Also season 1 was funnier. But that’s just my opinion.
@@leahbyrne4597 season one was so much funnier without necessarily trying hard . I barely laughed watching season 2 , I was extremely bored. It was repetitive and not very smart writing compared to the first season
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I also agree that the first season *looked* better like you said, it felt like they put more thought into the way the first season looked versus less thought about season two, because season two also feels messier.
I want to hear more about the racial stuff any recomendations for good creators of color who dissect it better
Not much point to any of it really. Looked good tho, specifically the actresses
I love nothing more than listening to someone whine about a steller series when they themselves can't even focus their camera.
Great video! I was apprehensive at first due to your critiques but most were apt and personally a refreshing perspective.
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Yes bc Aubrey Plaza
I also found myself skipping so much dialogue and b-roll because it had very black mirror esque levels of depth. i get the symbolism. please move on lol
My take on the reviewer: Frustrated writer who can’t admit to a great show. Trying to find things to complain about it without a good reason, can’t never find satisfaction (such a Portia). Had to stop video half way since his ego makes him show his smug and annoying face all the time. Luckily I could see who the sponsor of the video is. I will never buy anything from HelloFresh ever…
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Season 1 much better
Anyone else have conflicting feelings about Coolidge’s performance? I like her, but I personally feel like the praise about her performance was overblown. I was happy Tanya died because I was getting tired of the character. What do other people think about Coolidge and her acting?
I love her. She's a great comedy, and drama actress.
Coolidge was fine IMO …BUT I actually felt like the character’s storyline was overshadowed in S2. I actually felt like Aubrey Plaza’s performance in S2 was overrated. Meghann Fahy was much better IMO.
@Hazel Singh I agree honestly. Particularly for me, watching her in the first season was such an odd experience for me. on one hand everyone is holding her on a pedestal but on another, for me of course, her scenes just were not my favorite at all.
@@teenie36214 Def agree about Meghann, she needs a deep tissue massage after carrying this season with her acting.
@@teenie36214 100% agree with your second point. Aubrey Plaza's performance was good but talked up way too much because she's an internet darling. Megann Fahy was better and one of the standouts of the entire season.
Season 2 had great production, great actors, fun locations.
But it had no substance, it was like eating a beautiful meal that just didn't taste good.
Me: sees titles, doesn’t watch video yet
Yes. Fuck yes. Season 2 was way better than season 1 in terms of character interactions and character storylines.
Didn’t like season 2.. the characters got annoying, fast! Albie, both couples, Portia
liked and subscribed as soon as i saw your face and heard your voice… you’re beautiful!! 😍
Best analysis of the show I’ve seen/heard thus far. Definitely think the second season is generally more interesting than the first, but I’m still not sold on it. I just don’t think Mike White is that great a writer. Flat characters with all depth essentially amounting to the revelation of trauma. Satire is totally toothless and really obvious. Still occasionally entertaining, but I just can’t take it as seriously as people seem to want you to.
The show isn’t about colonialism.
It’s about mocking people who say everything is about colonialism.
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I'm watching season 1 and I hate that every shot is in shallow depth of field. It's so ugly, unnecessary and doesn't really serve the story.
This essay was so airtight and near perfect that I have but one comment: *SPOILER ALERT*...
Ethan didn't do anything though. Like he literally did nothing. How is he "gaslighting" Harper? When he does do something it's at the end in retaliation and you can tell by their body language at the last dinner in Sicily that he informed Harper of whatever happened with Daphne. So am I many times confusion on the point of gaslighting.
I think he missused the word gaslight. However the argument between Harper and Ethan after they talk about the condom wrapper felt very immature on his part. Like when he asks when has he ever lied to her.
I was disappointed with the romanticization of prostitution in 2 season. And the dialogs just weren't as good and deep as in 1. Very much like the first season, bored with the second. It just feels unfinished, and raw.
Was it romanticized? I didn’t feel that way.
Loxist subversion, Kalergi plan
Minimum replacement birth rate: 2.1
Israel birth rate: 3.00
EU birth rate: 1.53
Canada birth rate: 1.47
USA birth rate: 1.70
Australia birth rate: 1.66
Russia birth rate: 1.50
Ukraine birth rate: 1.23
Moldova: 1.28
Belarus: 1.38
Serbia: 1.48
Bulgaria: 1.56
Romania: 1.60
Albania: 1.58
The second season was way worse and I have no idea why people prefer it. So much less happens, it's so much more boring, so much less interesting, so much less funny...
A lot of people liked season 2 better than the first! I loved the new season but it could’ve used more intertwined depth between the guests… and I personally was so sad about Tanya’s fate… wish she went out in a more creative way
I think vanquishing her killers and having a fatal clumsy accident is a pretty creative way to go. Mike White said he hated the thought of letting Tanya be killed by someone else.
@@grayforester Same. And it seems pretty purposeful - the only one capable of killing the rich beast is the beast itself.