Awwww man! This is so disappointing. I wouldn't know any of this if not for your reporting. Thank you for all of your help in keeping more casual collectors like myself in the loop in hobby news!
Don’t be afraid to pass on a card that doesn’t look right in a PSA holder. If you see a card with a dinged corner, mis-cut, chipping or edge wear it isn’t a 9 or 10. I’ve seen 100’s of cards like this. If it doesn’t look or feel right trust yourself…there are more scams, including from the manufacturer’s themselves, going on today. Forget breakers trading out cards ect ect. Infact, PSA themselves have been shown giving preferred submitters an unlikely number of 10’s and black-tie 10’s. Some guy who submitted over 100 cards got back all 10’s which is impossible.
There was issues years ago where one of those grading companies was swapping out the customers card and giving them a lower quality of the card they sent and sending it back as low grade and keeping the customers awesome graded gem mint card. Crazyness!
scams like that happens since the collectibles space is not regulated people take their chances ie gamble on peoples reputations and honesty its ridiculous that collectibles as a whole still use the honor system smfh
As someone who has sold on eBay you can be lucky to get feedback on one in five sales. So if he has 14k feedback he may have made five times that number of sales (Maybe even more..)
About 12 years ago I purchased a PSA 9 Seaver rookie on Ebay. The case was slighlty scratched (but showed no other signs of tampering). After about a year I decided to have it reholdered and came back from PSA altered card and altered holder. I was out 3 grand at that time. Now I was a experienced collector (for about 35 years) at the time and grading/buying PSA graded cards for 10 years. I was so pissed I sold my whole graded card collection (100's of high end PSA 9 and 10 rookie and second year cards) and took my family to Hawaii for three weeks for a high end vacation. If the doctors could fool me they could fool anyone. Be careful....
Makes me worry about all my graded PSA cards. I had not bought a card since 2016 and then got the urge to get back into it so I've been selling my PSA 6's of Mays, Mantle, Clemente and Aaron and going to PSA 7's. I consigned out the PSA 6's to a large Ebay seller and so far have sold half and everything's good. But now I worry if it will stay good and also have to worry whether any of the 7's might have been bogus that I've bought since November.
Great vid. Lots of folks have been looking to get an edge on graded slabs whether its altering cards, or resubmissions and this video is a great example of another way that this is being done. Need to be wary of buying slabs.
Yep, I've said this in other videos too. It's a perfect storm of: 1) huge money in the hobby so plenty of manipulation to be had; and 2) People have made huge losses over the last two years so are incredibly desperate to recoup as much as they can. More often than not its through scams such as this.
My question is how do we know this is not an inside job with a PSA employee? I would raise that question for sure since these slabs are very convincing. Take some empty slabs home and do your scam at home. That’s where my radar immediately goes to. Great info as always my friend!!!
An employee having access to new slabs would make this so easy. I would think it would be hard to exactly copy the PSA slab and much easier for an employee to simply steal a bunch. If not an employee then maybe someone who works in the PSA building; like a nighttime cleaning person or a contractor doing remodeling or a customer who somehow grabbed a few boxes.
The slabs are super easy to get, what ya need is an ultrasonic welder with the correct fixture which is available at many manufacturing shops. We have one at work. A coworker of mine slabs cards for shops or independent sellers with their logo on them. He is honest and only makes cards with individuals logos but if we wanted to we could easily fake cards due to having access to the ultrasonic welder. The machine itself is very expensive but the fixture for cards is under 500$
Great informative video Dan. Any chance on doing a video going over the big grading companies (PSA, BGS, SGC, CSG) slab’s on what to look out for to ensure the slab is legitimate? I know PSA uses black light holograms on their labels along with other markings but I am unsure on what to look out for on the others. Thanks again
I've done one on PSA in the past. Based on all the knowledge I've obtained, genuine BGS slabs are the hardest to manipulate. TAG appears to be in that boat too.
Great video Dan. Most vintage collectors store away their cards, so most of those fake cards will remain buried for a long time. Then will come a time where they (or their family) will sell the cards and find out PSA decertified. Given the quality control at PSA, they will likely decertify many legit cards too, either by blindly decertifying all cards from that seller or mistyping a cert number.
I know they're new, but TAG's slabs should be the standard going forward. Any slab that has a sticker/label that can be pulled out and reused is going to be tampered with. TAG's slab actually imprints the information into the window on the acrylic, there is no sticker, label, etc. This will be incredibly more difficult and less profitable to try to swap out cards since you'd have to have their etching setup to do so close enough to try and pull off. Heck, if their prices were cheaper, maybe we should consider them going forward. There's just been so many frauds and scams with PSA and the others that maybe it's time to stop treating them as the end all be all. Maybe AI grading IS the way to go, since it's so subjective otherwise and one PSA grader may give one card and 8 and a different guy gives it a 10. Too much variance, not to mention the obvious cards that are being intentionally kept to low pop 10's (Rickey Henderson, Ozzie Smith, Eddie Murray - there are more GEM MT 10 78 Mike Schmidt's than of these 3 combined with only 2,616 grades compared to 12,140 for the Murray, 11,571 for the Smith, and over 30,400 for the Henderson). Either way the only way things will change is if the consumers force their hands, and it's not looking like that will happen anytime soon.
ive been advocating for UNIVERSAL STANDARDS forever ask dan and others if i had to go with a grader id go with tag for that very reason but until im guarenteed its MY card that is in a slab there still rom for greedy assholes to swap MY card for a lower graded one i like the fact TAG is making the attempt to take the subjectivity part of the equation and smooth it out
You do a great job in your videos... If the hobby is to survive, people need to be honest with themselves and with knowing what is going on. Between this and card trimming... I cannot imagine how many altered cards are out there in the hobby. I think the actual number is quite a bit higher than what people might think.
its a HUGE number reason why people are being stubborn is the fact they spent alot of money having psa grade their cards they dont want to lose the money they put in to that i say this is what happnes in a unregulated space and when you take a risk sometimes risk ie losses occur
I once bought a Josh Allen on card IP auto on a 2020 Contenders Season Ticket because I figured the Authenticity Guarantee would protect me. But once I bought it, eBay told me tough luck because the seller made an error in the listing it wasn’t eligible. So the seller made the mistake but got the benefit of the guarantee but I trusted eBay and maybe got screwed. We’ll see what PSA says.
With the increase in value of trading cards over the last four years, the scammers have figured out there is good money in doing this sort of crap. As a collector of over 50 years I’ve seen my fair share of scams. I have also seen so many swapped out cards, mis-graded (yes, PSA themselves are facing “sweet-heart” grading accusation) cards, trimmed cards in PSA slabs….and the list goes on. The 1st thing that needs to happen is this guy who did this needs to go to jail. He’s robbed, most likely, 100’s of thousands of dollars off of collectors…it’s like counterfitting. But the most important thing is using due diligence before buying anything. Just because a card is in a PSA holder and says 10 doesn’t mean it is a 10. Look at the card closely. If you see a card doesn’t fill out the holder completely pass on it. A PSA 9 or 10 shouldn’t have errors that ghe naked eye pick up….if you see it pass. Most importantly, let other’s know!
Agreed. Likely incredibly pervasive. Collectors just need to knowledge share and educate where we can. Protect ourselves because so many companies and entities are dropping the ball.
Literally anything that starts bringing in a bunch of money, has people getting greedy and finding ways to take advantage of it, and people. Unfortunate
Wow this is a huge scam. Its so sad to know so many people bought PSA graded vintage cards for the love of the hobby and dont even know their card is worthless. The whole point in buying PSA cards is because they are supposed to be authentic.
Very scary. Especially considering the people that buy these types of vintage cards do so for their PC and aren't always in the flipping game. They might not even know they've been decertified.
This is so damn frustrating. Thanks so much for sharing!!!! Also, this is fraudulent conversion. And the amount is well over $500 given the sells, so this should be considered a felony and this seller should be tracked down and prosecuted if not dismembered first by someone he/she/they sold to.
My pleasure, if you’re new to the channel I share information like this fairly frequently. I’ve had a few people reach out and mention that they’ve bought genuine cards from this person. It’s just. Very strange situation to happen with so many cards over so many years.
yeah he sprinkled them i here and there especially to others that were influencers like goeff wilson etc thats called covering ones ass@@DanTheCardMan2
At some point eBay has to also be held accountable for acct’s like this……… I imagine there was feedback left, on the ebayers feedback, that might have identified them as fraudsters BUT eBay assists the criminals by allowing such “feedback” to removed = is whats called “adenine and abetting” …..
they had guys in china making those fake slabs and did the same ratio on engraving they got their hands on the same machine that psa was using jfc keep up @@Optable
I have collected since teenager only stopped a few years ago when I first got sick. None of the stuff going on is new in anyway. The Company that makes the slabs for PSA sells slabs to others. PSA case is supposed to be patented but few cases out back and your good. PSA has been adding new security to combat it. What PSA started Registry and then just started taking photos of everything to compare but older slabs not in system. If you wanna know depth of how crooked thus market is. Try finding info when faje jersey cards were in a bunch of cards. It was right before UD lost licenses and Donruss was bought by Panini. Their was an article in beckett. They wouldn't say wich Company or wich cards were wrong all that info got sealed by courts. They even said Reason it won't be released is it would likely bankrupt card industry.
Very much agreed mate. Too many people these days are focused on the quick flip so this kind of thing goes over their heads. I say this all the time so feel like a broken record but it doesn't appear to be hitting home with most in the hobby.
Ofncourse not. It's easy for people to just buy a slab and not do any actual research are each card themselves. There's lots and outs but the "many" in not only the hobby but just people period; are selfish, lazy, and extremely opinionated at times with a very ignorant to the facts opinion. But just my opinion so what do I know Keep fighting the good fight tho fs!!
its called the greed monster and the fact these sellers and buyers dont want the valuation of psa slabbbed cards to go to zero well its about too tbh @@DanTheCardMan2
indeed ziggy COLLECTORS dont give a shit people that are investing or flipping do worry cuz they make money by churning cards over and over in the market
I’ve got so many slabs that they’re all different, different graders and different thicknesses according to relics and Cardstock! But, wow!! Even if you type the Psa number in, it’ll bri g up that card but the grade is off and you’d never know!! Yuck..
I do really appreciate this video Dan. All this makes more sense of why people is moving to the NFT world which eventually will replace the way people is collecting cards currently along with other collectables!!
Damn that’s annoying. I found it hours before recording and then clicked through on blowout and was like oh, it’s deactivated. Very annoyed I missed that!!
@@DanTheCardMan2 Hey Dan the Card Man; thanks for the video. Do you have a link that we can check our cards with to make sure they are not deactivated???
@888strummer If you've looked through the blowout thread, this individual appears to have been working with (buying counterfeits from) at least one other person.
@@35auburn I'd have to try to find the Blowout thread section on this. So his scam would be that he would buy graded cards on Ebay and then crack them open and put in lower graded cards and reseal the case? Or he make his own cases identical to PSA and use the PSA info card in his case? I would think it would be very hard to exactly copy the PSA case, so you have to wonder if he had access to new PSA cases
Maybe make the grade slip permanent. So you can't take it off the slab. For example. If you try to peel a sticky title from the slab that was cracked. That it's impossible to throw into another slab??
I have been struggling with this kind of stuff of late. So much graft in our once beautiful hobby. I think the word fake is somewhat misleading. Maybe imposter is better. The inserted cards are at times authentic but just far inferior to the grade listed on the header. The comments you showed from some people are startling and indicate the lack of ethics in some dealers. I can't really point any blame at PSA or EBAY, even though they have their issues. An authentically guarantee speaks to the card itself and the card may be a real Jordan but in much poorer shape than the original card that we removed. So technically the card is authentic but the slab is fake. PSA can't be happy about this but what will their response be? Perhaps making the headers imbedded inside the plastic and non removable. The grading industry has it's share of corruption with incintious relationships between large auction houses and grading companies. Thank you for this video. It is excellent but also heartbreaking.
I've been saying it for years what stops a middleman from taking cards to work that he knows are going to be coming in and flip-flopping them he walks in with a 7in leaves with the 10 and grades his card at 8. PSA are so thick into it cuz they're not going to stop they can't stop they won't stop until they get busted and down goes Frazier.
eBay should fall under data regulations and be required to keep records for many years (can't recall what the US regulations mandate). They'll have it for sure.
Sucks this is going on, probably more people out there that have not gotten caught! What do you look for? How do you tell a real slab from a fake when looking at them on a computer screen?
I have done a video on spotting fake PSA slabs before. In all honesty though your best bet is to read the blowout forums. Plenty of threads/experts there that can help out.
This is just the tip of the iceberg... and only one seller. I'm sure there are alot of altered cards out in circulation, and in slabs as well. Unfortunately, when you have alot $$ changing hands, you increase the risk of fraud as well.
And how about the cards you send in say it a 10 an someone somewhere? Switchs it out for a lower grade right there puts a 8 back in rates it at a 10 on slab now they have a 10 also just saying
Ebay doesn't go back and track the scammers records. Especially if they have alot of feedbacks. Ebay is pretty much buy at your own risk. Everything is setup to protect the buyers.
Well PSA and other graders should make it More secure!!! Maybe start making slabs uncrackable at all. I know customers wouldn't like that. But what happens when a bad kid in class screws things up. It screws everyone. But it's not ebay's fault. It's actually a grading companies issue that needs to be fixed!!
@@888strummer if you google PSA certificate lookup it should be the first link from their website. “Certification verification” is what the section is called on their website. It’s just a lot easier with the app because you scan rather than manually typing in.
@@DanTheCardMan2 Thanks a lot; I really appreciate it. I did the Google search and it was right there; I just typed in the PSA number of my most valuable card and all is good. An interesting side note is that PSA notes for "label type"..."with fugitive ink technology". I subscribed to your channel and will watch more.
May I just highlight that it is not PSA who are at fault here but more so the seller, eBay and also purchasers for not doing their due diligence. Your video name suggests PSA Scam and that PSA is involved here…might want to reword that. It is definitely a good video alerting the hobby community and is much appreciated. Hope whoever is involved in doing these things is held accountable!
I think most people gather that from the video. You’re only given so many characters for the title. It’s what I’ve described though, an ebay scam with slabs.
I would go a step farther and say it is also not eBay at fault here. They are a marketplace only. The transaction is between buyer and seller. Ebay has addressed this with their Authenticity Guarantee program, so they are responding. In this case he was selling lots, but that should be a red flag now. No other online venue gives this much protection to buyers. If you get it in hand and see that it is fake, you will get your money back. If you don't, that is on you. PSA and eBay cannot protect people from themselves in all cases. And yes, hopefully these people will be put in jail.
My logic was as follows: - gets card graded - cracks slab, replaces with inferior or fake card and then sells it - resubmits the original card - you’ve now got two cards in that pop report when in reality the same card is in their twice
This is ultimately why TAG will save the hobby. Once they expand into the vintage market, it’d behoove everyone to crack all their vintage slabs and submit to TAG. Take the hit on getting a lower grade, but KNOW the “final grade” for that card. TAG’s detailed imaging creates a “fingerprint” for every card. It becomes impossible to pass off a fake or a reslab, because every card has very unique imperfections, that the machine can easily compare against the original.
PS it is okay to be new but do not pretend like most that they have been collecting since they were 5 reading price guides since early stages of life... I started collecting researching prices and cards at 5 years of age... First person I collected was Ozzie Smith The Wizard!!!
@@DanTheCardMan2 I wasn't talking about you bro... Talking about people who have lots of cash buy well known cards but that is the extent of their knowledge. I appreciate and Respect you.
He sells other goods but you'd imagine the volume of impacted cards far exceeds the ones people have been able to dig up. If the experts are correct, I hope eBay and PSA go after this person.
Thys is just one account... I feel this Much success on this account over such a long period of time. You don't think he had numerous accounts or partners that had accounts doing the same thing. Do you understand how lucrative of a scam this was for this gentleman or women...I don't know the details & to Be quite Frank Nobody knows the exact details... But you are being foolish if you think this was his only Avenue in which he was Utilizing To get over on the hobby...
@@imperfectgamer54 It's unusual because people from other countries, in general, aren't interested in American sports, much less American sports cards. It's different if we're talking about something that has reached worldwide mass appeal like Pokemon cards. Again, I'm not criticizing, because I think it's cool if people across the world are getting into collecting American sports cards. I'm just surprised.
Correct, I am Australian. You would be surprised at how popular NBA and NFL is here in Australia. We are a sports mad nation so soak up whatever we can get.
Psa using shitty slabs you can buy blanks of from China isn't helping. Slabs need to be made with unique features, and not in China because they will sell it to anyone once they make it regardless of contracts.
Awwww man! This is so disappointing. I wouldn't know any of this if not for your reporting. Thank you for all of your help in keeping more casual collectors like myself in the loop in hobby news!
You are so welcome
Don’t be afraid to pass on a card that doesn’t look right in a PSA holder. If you see a card with a dinged corner, mis-cut, chipping or edge wear it isn’t a 9 or 10. I’ve seen 100’s of cards like this. If it doesn’t look or feel right trust yourself…there are more scams, including from the manufacturer’s themselves, going on today. Forget breakers trading out cards ect ect. Infact, PSA themselves have been shown giving preferred submitters an unlikely number of 10’s and black-tie 10’s. Some guy who submitted over 100 cards got back all 10’s which is impossible.
There was issues years ago where one of those grading companies was swapping out the customers card and giving them a lower quality of the card they sent and sending it back as low grade and keeping the customers awesome graded gem mint card. Crazyness!
scams like that happens since the collectibles space is not regulated people take their chances ie gamble on peoples reputations and honesty its ridiculous that collectibles as a whole still use the honor system smfh
As someone who has sold on eBay you can be lucky to get feedback on one in five sales. So if he has 14k feedback he may have made five times that number of sales (Maybe even more..)
Yeah that's a really important point that I forgot to call out
Thanks for the info. Sadly, this is becoming more common across different hobbies. I've seen fake slabs for sale on Etsy. Buyer beware. Cheers!
About 12 years ago I purchased a PSA 9 Seaver rookie on Ebay. The case was slighlty scratched (but showed no other signs of tampering). After about a year I decided to have it reholdered and came back from PSA altered card and altered holder. I was out 3 grand at that time. Now I was a experienced collector (for about 35 years) at the time and grading/buying PSA graded cards for 10 years. I was so pissed I sold my whole graded card collection (100's of high end PSA 9 and 10 rookie and second year cards) and took my family to Hawaii for three weeks for a high end vacation. If the doctors could fool me they could fool anyone. Be careful....
Makes me worry about all my graded PSA cards. I had not bought a card since 2016 and then got the urge to get back into it so I've been selling my PSA 6's of Mays, Mantle, Clemente and Aaron and going to PSA 7's. I consigned out the PSA 6's to a large Ebay seller and so far have sold half and everything's good. But now I worry if it will stay good and also have to worry whether any of the 7's might have been bogus that I've bought since November.
the higher the grade on vintage psa slabbed cards the more likely it was fucked with sadly @@888strummer
Great vid. Lots of folks have been looking to get an edge on graded slabs whether its altering cards, or resubmissions and this video is a great example of another way that this is being done. Need to be wary of buying slabs.
Yep, I've said this in other videos too.
It's a perfect storm of:
1) huge money in the hobby so plenty of manipulation to be had; and
2) People have made huge losses over the last two years so are incredibly desperate to recoup as much as they can. More often than not its through scams such as this.
100%@@DanTheCardMan2
My question is how do we know this is not an inside job with a PSA employee? I would raise that question for sure since these slabs are very convincing. Take some empty slabs home and do your scam at home. That’s where my radar immediately goes to. Great info as always my friend!!!
Yep, that's a very valid talking point.
An employee having access to new slabs would make this so easy. I would think it would be hard to exactly copy the PSA slab and much easier for an employee to simply steal a bunch. If not an employee then maybe someone who works in the PSA building; like a nighttime cleaning person or a contractor doing remodeling or a customer who somehow grabbed a few boxes.
The slabs are super easy to get, what ya need is an ultrasonic welder with the correct fixture which is available at many manufacturing shops. We have one at work. A coworker of mine slabs cards for shops or independent sellers with their logo on them. He is honest and only makes cards with individuals logos but if we wanted to we could easily fake cards due to having access to the ultrasonic welder. The machine itself is very expensive but the fixture for cards is under 500$
@@andrewut7ya511 Is it really easy to get slabs that are an identical match to PSA's slab?
@@888strummer sadly you can get anything. Remember when people were making counterfiet shrinkwrap to reseal magic the gathering cases?
Great informative video Dan. Any chance on doing a video going over the big grading companies (PSA, BGS, SGC, CSG) slab’s on what to look out for to ensure the slab is legitimate? I know PSA uses black light holograms on their labels along with other markings but I am unsure on what to look out for on the others. Thanks again
I've done one on PSA in the past.
Based on all the knowledge I've obtained, genuine BGS slabs are the hardest to manipulate. TAG appears to be in that boat too.
1 tip i have: dont buy vintage cards in PSA slabs with cert numbers under 300s from someone you dont know.
Great video Dan. Most vintage collectors store away their cards, so most of those fake cards will remain buried for a long time. Then will come a time where they (or their family) will sell the cards and find out PSA decertified. Given the quality control at PSA, they will likely decertify many legit cards too, either by blindly decertifying all cards from that seller or mistyping a cert number.
Yep, that's my biggest fear.
100% gonna happen thus how do you trust what the market is saying ? you cant
I know they're new, but TAG's slabs should be the standard going forward. Any slab that has a sticker/label that can be pulled out and reused is going to be tampered with. TAG's slab actually imprints the information into the window on the acrylic, there is no sticker, label, etc. This will be incredibly more difficult and less profitable to try to swap out cards since you'd have to have their etching setup to do so close enough to try and pull off. Heck, if their prices were cheaper, maybe we should consider them going forward. There's just been so many frauds and scams with PSA and the others that maybe it's time to stop treating them as the end all be all. Maybe AI grading IS the way to go, since it's so subjective otherwise and one PSA grader may give one card and 8 and a different guy gives it a 10. Too much variance, not to mention the obvious cards that are being intentionally kept to low pop 10's (Rickey Henderson, Ozzie Smith, Eddie Murray - there are more GEM MT 10 78 Mike Schmidt's than of these 3 combined with only 2,616 grades compared to 12,140 for the Murray, 11,571 for the Smith, and over 30,400 for the Henderson). Either way the only way things will change is if the consumers force their hands, and it's not looking like that will happen anytime soon.
Thats def a great EZ solution! But you know these companies will not do anything extra, especially if it is costly unless they need too.
ive been advocating for UNIVERSAL STANDARDS forever ask dan and others if i had to go with a grader id go with tag for that very reason but until im guarenteed its MY card that is in a slab there still rom for greedy assholes to swap MY card for a lower graded one i like the fact TAG is making the attempt to take the subjectivity part of the equation and smooth it out
I love tag slabs
Thank you for spreading the word.
Any time!
You do a great job in your videos... If the hobby is to survive, people need to be honest with themselves and with knowing what is going on. Between this and card trimming... I cannot imagine how many altered cards are out there in the hobby. I think the actual number is quite a bit higher than what people might think.
Thank you, truly appreciate it
its a HUGE number reason why people are being stubborn is the fact they spent alot of money having psa grade their cards they dont want to lose the money they put in to that i say this is what happnes in a unregulated space and when you take a risk sometimes risk ie losses occur
Thank you for sharing this always worried about the vintage cards in the older slabs
No worries at all. I call this stuff out whenever I see it
I once bought a Josh Allen on card IP auto on a 2020 Contenders Season Ticket because I figured the Authenticity Guarantee would protect me. But once I bought it, eBay told me tough luck because the seller made an error in the listing it wasn’t eligible. So the seller made the mistake but got the benefit of the guarantee but I trusted eBay and maybe got screwed. We’ll see what PSA says.
You should follow up with eBay again. That doesn’t make sense how they responded
@@DanTheCardMan2 I already sent it to PSA on an auto grade order. If it comes back fake I will take it up with eBay. Hopefully it’s real.
With the increase in value of trading cards over the last four years, the scammers have figured out there is good money in doing this sort of crap. As a collector of over 50 years I’ve seen my fair share of scams. I have also seen so many swapped out cards, mis-graded (yes, PSA themselves are facing “sweet-heart” grading accusation) cards, trimmed cards in PSA slabs….and the list goes on.
The 1st thing that needs to happen is this guy who did this needs to go to jail. He’s robbed, most likely, 100’s of thousands of dollars off of collectors…it’s like counterfitting. But the most important thing is using due diligence before buying anything. Just because a card is in a PSA holder and says 10 doesn’t mean it is a 10. Look at the card closely. If you see a card doesn’t fill out the holder completely pass on it. A PSA 9 or 10 shouldn’t have errors that ghe naked eye pick up….if you see it pass. Most importantly, let other’s know!
Yeah, you nailed it David! Do the due diligence!! So many collectors these days are so quick to snap up a card off of the label alone. It’s so silly.
Just imagine how many cards are trimmed/altered....and I'm not talking about KurtsCardCare.
Agreed. Likely incredibly pervasive.
Collectors just need to knowledge share and educate where we can. Protect ourselves because so many companies and entities are dropping the ball.
Theyre just printing 5000 to 10000 fakes a day
Literally anything that starts bringing in a bunch of money, has people getting greedy and finding ways to take advantage of it, and people. Unfortunate
Getting the truth out! Nice job Dan! The sports card hobby is a disgrace!
Wow this is a huge scam. Its so sad to know so many people bought PSA graded vintage cards for the love of the hobby and dont even know their card is worthless. The whole point in buying PSA cards is because they are supposed to be authentic.
Very scary. Especially considering the people that buy these types of vintage cards do so for their PC and aren't always in the flipping game. They might not even know they've been decertified.
This is so damn frustrating. Thanks so much for sharing!!!! Also, this is fraudulent conversion. And the amount is well over $500 given the sells, so this should be considered a felony and this seller should be tracked down and prosecuted if not dismembered first by someone he/she/they sold to.
My pleasure, if you’re new to the channel I share information like this fairly frequently.
I’ve had a few people reach out and mention that they’ve bought genuine cards from this person. It’s just. Very strange situation to happen with so many cards over so many years.
yeah he sprinkled them i here and there especially to others that were influencers like goeff wilson etc thats called covering ones ass@@DanTheCardMan2
At some point eBay has to also be held accountable for acct’s like this……… I imagine there was feedback left, on the ebayers feedback, that might have identified them as fraudsters BUT eBay assists the criminals by allowing such “feedback” to removed = is whats called “adenine and abetting” …..
I’ve definitely noticed that over the last few years. eBay is far more slack than they used to be when allowing sellers to remove negative feedback.
Fake PSA slabs have been floating around for years. Collectors need to realize there are top counterfeiters grifting this hobby.
It’s not too counterfeiting it’s just junk slabs and people not looking at it
Yep, people too focused on the quick flip (as I mention all the time) so they don't pay close enough attention.
Couldn't be more wrong. There are slabs out there with 1:1 engraving in the corners identical to the embossed official ones@@gradedcardscollector3511
Blockchain tech can help but that won't stop swapping.
they had guys in china making those fake slabs and did the same ratio on engraving they got their hands on the same machine that psa was using jfc keep up @@Optable
The guys who are doing this need to be arrested.
You'd imagine that this is a likely outcome given the detail that both PSA and eBay have.
For what I don’t understand what the problem is?
@@monetschannel5773 if you don't understand then you should get a clue.
@@monetschannel5773 last time I look, doing such a thing, especially with the USPS involved, could land you big time in jail.
I have collected since teenager only stopped a few years ago when I first got sick. None of the stuff going on is new in anyway. The Company that makes the slabs for PSA sells slabs to others. PSA case is supposed to be patented but few cases out back and your good. PSA has been adding new security to combat it. What PSA started Registry and then just started taking photos of everything to compare but older slabs not in system. If you wanna know depth of how crooked thus market is. Try finding info when faje jersey cards were in a bunch of cards. It was right before UD lost licenses and Donruss was bought by Panini. Their was an article in beckett. They wouldn't say wich Company or wich cards were wrong all that info got sealed by courts. They even said Reason it won't be released is it would likely bankrupt card industry.
Yep, agree that!
To many of us, this is not new news. Sadly to most this is shocking.
Tell me again about the institutional investors lol 😂
Great video. Need more!
Very much agreed mate. Too many people these days are focused on the quick flip so this kind of thing goes over their heads. I say this all the time so feel like a broken record but it doesn't appear to be hitting home with most in the hobby.
Ofncourse not. It's easy for people to just buy a slab and not do any actual research are each card themselves. There's lots and outs but the "many" in not only the hobby but just people period; are selfish, lazy, and extremely opinionated at times with a very ignorant to the facts opinion.
But just my opinion so what do I know
Keep fighting the good fight tho fs!!
its called the greed monster and the fact these sellers and buyers dont want the valuation of psa slabbbed cards to go to zero well its about too tbh @@DanTheCardMan2
indeed ziggy COLLECTORS dont give a shit people that are investing or flipping do worry cuz they make money by churning cards over and over in the market
Good stuff Dan 🙏
I’ve got so many slabs that they’re all different, different graders and different thicknesses according to relics and Cardstock! But, wow!! Even if you type the Psa number in, it’ll bri g up that card but the grade is off and you’d never know!! Yuck..
Yep, very unfortunate situation.
I do really appreciate this video Dan. All this makes more sense of why people is moving to the NFT world which eventually will replace the way people is collecting cards currently along with other collectables!!
Thanks Monica, appreciate it!
NFT's are a scam stop it they will never replace a physical copy of something someone wants to own
Dam. Now I gotta check all my cards regularly to see if they’ve been deactivated. Maybe the raw card collectors are onto something.
It's annoying isn't it.
Just need to be careful where you buy your cards.
i hate to say i told you sooooooo but i told you so
Wouldn't they need a machine that seal these things an the plastic holders from psa something's smelling
They do use a sonic welder. It essentially fuses the case together but it’s not completely tamper proof
Nice video.
Unfortunately, the eBay account is still active (no cards listed). The link provided in the blowout thread is just incorrect.
Damn that’s annoying. I found it hours before recording and then clicked through on blowout and was like oh, it’s deactivated.
Very annoyed I missed that!!
The scammer involved could also have a friend with a different account whose been buying and/or selling as well. This is awful.
@@DanTheCardMan2 Hey Dan the Card Man; thanks for the video. Do you have a link that we can check our cards with to make sure they are not deactivated???
@888strummer If you've looked through the blowout thread, this individual appears to have been working with (buying counterfeits from) at least one other person.
@@35auburn I'd have to try to find the Blowout thread section on this. So his scam would be that he would buy graded cards on Ebay and then crack them open and put in lower graded cards and reseal the case? Or he make his own cases identical to PSA and use the PSA info card in his case? I would think it would be very hard to exactly copy the PSA case, so you have to wonder if he had access to new PSA cases
Maybe make the grade slip permanent. So you can't take it off the slab. For example. If you try to peel a sticky title from the slab that was cracked. That it's impossible to throw into another slab??
Yep, that would be a great start. TAG essentially do this via their etched labels.
I have been struggling with this kind of stuff of late. So much graft in our once beautiful hobby. I think the word fake is somewhat misleading. Maybe imposter is better. The inserted cards are at times authentic but just far inferior to the grade listed on the header. The comments you showed from some people are startling and indicate the lack of ethics in some dealers. I can't really point any blame at PSA or EBAY, even though they have their issues. An authentically guarantee speaks to the card itself and the card may be a real Jordan but in much poorer shape than the original card that we removed. So technically the card is authentic but the slab is fake. PSA can't be happy about this but what will their response be? Perhaps making the headers imbedded inside the plastic and non removable.
The grading industry has it's share of corruption with incintious relationships between large auction houses and grading companies. Thank you for this video. It is excellent but also heartbreaking.
Unfortunately this kind of stuff has always been around, its just way easier for people to do it now.
I've been saying it for years what stops a middleman from taking cards to work that he knows are going to be coming in and flip-flopping them he walks in with a 7in leaves with the 10 and grades his card at 8. PSA are so thick into it cuz they're not going to stop they can't stop they won't stop until they get busted and down goes Frazier.
Yep, never trust a middleman service. Even if they are your best friend.
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its why i dont grade cuz of that very thing
its going to happen market is gonna go to zero once people figure out psa has damaged the hobby more than helped it
How are they cracking it open without noticeable damage? This should be addressed with PSA as well as with EBay.
They are replacing them with fake slabs that appear to be from the same favour as the genuine ones or at the very least are super cloans
Wow that’s crazyyyyyyy. I would hate to have been duped like that.
Wonder if Ebay has the information stored even if the public does not have access
eBay should fall under data regulations and be required to keep records for many years (can't recall what the US regulations mandate).
They'll have it for sure.
Slabs need to be straight-up printed on no sheet of paper inside or it needs to be etched into the slab
Yep, similar to what TAG have done.
@@DanTheCardMan2 big fan of the show keep it up man thank you for commenting back
That’s so messed up smh we spend are hard earn money 💰 for someone to do such a thing smh 🤦♂️
Yep, some people are literal pond scum.
Sucks this is going on, probably more people out there that have not gotten caught! What do you look for? How do you tell a real slab from a fake when looking at them on a computer screen?
I have done a video on spotting fake PSA slabs before. In all honesty though your best bet is to read the blowout forums. Plenty of threads/experts there that can help out.
One of the WIWAG guys is still actively selling on eBay. This is well documented in the blowout forums.
That's a rabbit hole I need to dive into again.
and have scr talk about as well @@DanTheCardMan2
This is just the tip of the iceberg... and only one seller. I'm sure there are alot of altered cards out in circulation, and in slabs as well. Unfortunately, when you have alot $$ changing hands, you increase the risk of fraud as well.
And how about the cards you send in say it a 10 an someone somewhere? Switchs it out for a lower grade right there puts a 8 back in rates it at a 10 on slab now they have a 10 also just saying
That’s exactly what it looks like in this example.
@@DanTheCardMan2 thanks Dan I don't know who to send my cards to an besides the mails even ify hard to trust anything these days
Ebay doesn't go back and track the scammers records. Especially if they have alot of feedbacks. Ebay is pretty much buy at your own risk. Everything is setup to protect the buyers.
Well PSA and other graders should make it More secure!!! Maybe start making slabs uncrackable at all. I know customers wouldn't like that. But what happens when a bad kid in class screws things up. It screws everyone. But it's not ebay's fault. It's actually a grading companies issue that needs to be fixed!!
PSA have some pretty good technology in their slab but they can go a whole lot further with regards to slab cracking and the security around that
Geez! I hope they got arrested.
This is terrible. How do you check to see if you have any deactivated cards?
If you have the PSA app on your phone you just need to scan the barcode or serial number.
@@DanTheCardMan2 Thanks but is there any way to do this with a desktop computer? Or do you need the app?
@@888strummer if you google PSA certificate lookup it should be the first link from their website. “Certification verification” is what the section is called on their website. It’s just a lot easier with the app because you scan rather than manually typing in.
@@DanTheCardMan2 Thanks a lot; I really appreciate it. I did the Google search and it was right there; I just typed in the PSA number of my most valuable card and all is good. An interesting side note is that PSA notes for "label type"..."with fugitive ink technology". I subscribed to your channel and will watch more.
Great info thx
Glad it was helpful!
Dan the Man!!
Needs to be a 1 strike and you're out policy in the card game. You scam once, you can never sell on eBay or anywhere
At the very least, this kind of systemic behavior needs to be taken more seriously from them.
inow regulated which ive been beating the drum on for years ask dan LOL
May I just highlight that it is not PSA who are at fault here but more so the seller, eBay and also purchasers for not doing their due diligence. Your video name suggests PSA Scam and that PSA is involved here…might want to reword that. It is definitely a good video alerting the hobby community and is much appreciated. Hope whoever is involved in doing these things is held accountable!
I think most people gather that from the video. You’re only given so many characters for the title. It’s what I’ve described though, an ebay scam with slabs.
I would go a step farther and say it is also not eBay at fault here. They are a marketplace only. The transaction is between buyer and seller. Ebay has addressed this with their Authenticity Guarantee program, so they are responding. In this case he was selling lots, but that should be a red flag now. No other online venue gives this much protection to buyers. If you get it in hand and see that it is fake, you will get your money back. If you don't, that is on you. PSA and eBay cannot protect people from themselves in all cases. And yes, hopefully these people will be put in jail.
... can't you just cross reference the number?
Sorry what do you mean?
As I said before Ebay allows these scammers to get away with this and provides the platform for them to do it. Lots of changes are needed there
EBay Australia are pretty great at responding and actioning concerns in this space.
I'm confused how this guy selling fake slabs affects the pop reports? Psa pop reports is the pop report.
My logic was as follows:
- gets card graded
- cracks slab, replaces with inferior or fake card and then sells it
- resubmits the original card
- you’ve now got two cards in that pop report when in reality the same card is in their twice
@@DanTheCardMan2 that makes sense
This is ultimately why TAG will save the hobby. Once they expand into the vintage market, it’d behoove everyone to crack all their vintage slabs and submit to TAG. Take the hit on getting a lower grade, but KNOW the “final grade” for that card. TAG’s detailed imaging creates a “fingerprint” for every card. It becomes impossible to pass off a fake or a reslab, because every card has very unique imperfections, that the machine can easily compare against the original.
Brought to u by tag....
@@aCardRunnerOP definitely works for TAG haha trying to be slick
Lol no doubt deimeister...they sure do lol
and you still go with psa smh @@aCardRunner
rather take a chance on tag then psa any day of the week@@Delmiester
It incredible how wicked people are…
greed is a hell of a thing
Ebay is pure joke Trash for authentication...
PS it is okay to be new but do not pretend like most that they have been collecting since they were 5 reading price guides since early stages of life... I started collecting researching prices and cards at 5 years of age... First person I collected was Ozzie Smith The Wizard!!!
You think I’m pretending? Im confused. Some of the cards you see on my shelf I’ve had since I was in kindergarten 😅
@@DanTheCardMan2 I wasn't talking about you bro... Talking about people who have lots of cash buy well known cards but that is the extent of their knowledge. I appreciate and Respect you.
@@castortroysfaceoffsportsca9012 haha all good bro, no offence taken.
@@DanTheCardMan2 Too many in this with 0 Love for collecting cards. They saw the money but b4 they were calling collectors nerds and morons...
indeed@@castortroysfaceoffsportsca9012
Stop this Now!
Folks get busy and find out if you bought from them
PSA cases are so shit and so are their labels, why do people think they are worth more is beyond me
Because they are lol that's just the way it is...🤷♂
To be fair, most slabs suck. People just need to go back to the old school approach of buying the card not the holder.
Nft - the future. Cannot be fudged
another scam well documented stop the nonsense @@jamesnguyen_1
This guy also needs to receive more punishment than a ban from ebay. I can only imagine how much money he stole from people with 14k feedback.
He sells other goods but you'd imagine the volume of impacted cards far exceeds the ones people have been able to dig up. If the experts are correct, I hope eBay and PSA go after this person.
Person should go to jail
Done with cards I grew on up,15 now!
Thys is just one account... I feel this Much success on this account over such a long period of time. You don't think he had numerous accounts or partners that had accounts doing the same thing. Do you understand how lucrative of a scam this was for this gentleman or women...I don't know the details & to Be quite Frank Nobody knows the exact details... But you are being foolish if you think this was his only Avenue in which he was Utilizing To get over on the hobby...
Yep, completely agree with you!
@DanTheCardMan2 thanks for helping to bring thys to the attention of the hobby brother well done.
i told these PSA fanbois that PSA was a shitty company no one listened cept SCR AIH and Dantheman I AM VINDICATED!!!!!
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Your accent sounds like Australia or NZ? And you collect American sports cards? That's cool and all, but unusual, no?
Why is that unusual ? Ask yourself what's your reasoning for thinking that ! Americans collect cards of non American regions.
@@imperfectgamer54 It's unusual because people from other countries, in general, aren't interested in American sports, much less American sports cards. It's different if we're talking about something that has reached worldwide mass appeal like Pokemon cards.
Again, I'm not criticizing, because I think it's cool if people across the world are getting into collecting American sports cards. I'm just surprised.
Correct, I am Australian.
You would be surprised at how popular NBA and NFL is here in Australia. We are a sports mad nation so soak up whatever we can get.
@@DanTheCardMan2 I am surprised, happily. That's cool that American sports cards have become popular outside of the U.S. & Canada. I'm all for it.
Psa using shitty slabs you can buy blanks of from China isn't helping. Slabs need to be made with unique features, and not in China because they will sell it to anyone once they make it regardless of contracts.
That's why i hate the listings that block the barcode and cert#
Agree, I avoid those like the plague
Get @sportscardradio on the case
I think they are already across it.