The Truth About Mid Side Processing - Don't Watch If You Don't Like Technical Stuff
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Had to re-upload the video because of an audio error. Unfortunately that means all views and comments were deleted :(
This channel is underrated. Thank you for posting these great videos.
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Thanks so much Macho!
Nerdy and awesome! Thanks Matt!
That Amapiano audio example 🇿🇦🔥
"Make You Say" by Rotimi and NekTunez
🤯 mind blown! I always assumed that one side was flipped then both sides monoed, just like you showed. But then I thought that that was flipped and then combined with the original signal to remove the sides.
This explains what I hear though, and also why I don't really like mid side and only use it as a last resort to fix things or rarely as an effect.
It's a little bit of a mind bender - but yea, it's not exactly what's expected. Thanks NoQualms!
Thanks for the re-upload. I thought it was me but now I hear what you describe! Thanks for your excellent channel Matthew.
Nope, this one was all me... sigh
"Sum" and "diff." Now this is starting to make sense because I was reading the manual on TDR Nova. I wanted to know how to do this eq process and it never officially called it midside in the booklet but said sum and diff (mid and side) respectively.
It's more accurate but less descriptive.
Another BANGER video. Let’s gooooooooo 💪💪💪
Thanks Ian!
The most beautiful thing is when a producer sends me a project with a mid/side eq with crazy random boosts and cuts and side widening on the 2bus, and get used to that phasey crap, and when I turn it off he hears the image and transient material and everything else more tight and stable, but he kinda "misses" that "sound"... And I love it.
Working with other people's crazy sessions is a whole 'nother ball game. It adds a layer of complication.
Nice presentation as usual. And definitely not too technical. Thanks for all your efforts on RUclips, it's greatly appreciated
Glad it wasn't over the top with heady stuff.
Even better the second time!
Yea - it's like leftovers!
A reindeer error? That's a very seasonal disorder. Thanks for the help with ideas and techniques! Now to dive into "The Case of the Disappearing Kick and Snare"!
LOL - That's corny, but also I actually laughed out loud.
@@WeissAdvice Awesome. This is a new mix of an old song. I won't say how old, but I did give it to the GURU in its original form! He was one of my favorites and I wish I would have been a better engineer back then. I've learned a couple new tricks watching your videos. I used the reverb into delay technique you were talking about in one of your older reverb videos on the main vocal. It's always a process of refinement. Thanks for the help!
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I tried mid-side EQ for the first time in one of my latest home masters (that absolutely didn't need any of it btw) and it was a disaster. Lots of vocal resonances that weren't there before (or were masked, idk). Saddest thing is I only noticed this after it was printed, approved by my band and published, oops
Hey matthew! What if... You first flip one side to get the sides only.. and then you take another copy of the complete LR signal and mix it with the sides-only (phase flipped again).. wouldnt that give You the phantom Center only? Probably i'm missing something...
Thanks so much as always!!
The complete LR summed mono gives you the mid, which is not the phantom center only. It's a bit of a mind trip because the decode will translate to what you originally had: unless you start effecting the mid or side signals - then that mono folded side signal shows up.
Super interesting as usual. On the last point you were rambling into (!)...I found that interesting too. So, I'm looking at true:blance and it's telling me my low sides are too wide--albeit relatively speaking to a reference. I'm wondering how to interpret what you said at the end. Do you mean, it doesn't matter if it's wide as long as it's balanced and doesn't sound bad in mono? I hear all these stories about (depending on who you're listening to) from 140hz to 80hz and lower, you should mono everything as a good practice. But this isn't right? And also if you are looking to 'balance something' as you said, and either going mono or using side-eq isn't the way to go, how do you recommend dealing with sub info in the sides? Sorry, lots of questions!
I don't think that's a good practice at all. The only technical reasons to contract your bass range is that if you're running your print to vinyl, wide bass can mess up the playback.
Now, it's important that your bass still works when listening in mono because there's still a lot of relevance to mono playback. But that doesn't mean your bass needs to be mono.
If you feel your sub is too wide, easiest way to deal with it is to just pan it in L R until it's not too wide.
Even if you are printing to vinyl it only matters if the stereo bass has phase rotation to widen, or it's really off to one side, or some other extreme circumstance. Stereo bass for vinyl is still ok if mixed properly as like Matt said your bass should be mono compatible but not necessarily actually mono.
Well, here’s my comment replacement from the last video so the algorithm stays happy. I’m assuming the error was when you demonstrate the side signal the original never collapsed to mono. Right? I noticed that but didn’t wanna be that guy. I feel like I’m always that guy. I should honestly be a RUclips video previewer. Have the RUclipsrs send all the videos. And I’ll make sure they QC checked. Lol.
I couldn't hear any difference in the very first example in the original upload so I commented saying that and wondering if it was because I was listening on headphones so no phantom centre. However I can now hear what Matt is talking abut clearly in my headphones so I am now a happy bunny! :) This is such a great channel.
That was the error. Don't worry - no one is hesitating to point out my mistakes, so just join the party LOL
Still should have heard "a difference" it should have sounded really phasy and weird.
@@WeissAdvice yeah, you still could hear it. It was just still in stereo. I didn’t notice the phased part..
Mid/side is pretty avg but still a useful and cheap trick. If I’m mastering I will never do any ms without checking the mono mix. Everything effects everything else, nothing is audio is perfect, its a world of compromise.
pretty much. I find I can usually get away with a little bit of it, but once I hit more than 2-3db it gets weird on me.
Thanks Matt for this. Sometime I want to get more energy/focus out of kick/ low level information. Are you saying this is not relevant with reducing the side info. Specifically using a plugin like Center by waves?
It can be relevant, but only to a certain extent. After a while you're just collapsing the low end to mono - which may appear more focused. But it's not like you're removing the stereo content - it's still there. Just reduced, and in the middle. Which if things are out of phase might actually be more problematic.
All Eq is 0 desibel taget right in the mixing?
I'm not sure I understand the question.