this guy is truly awesome, well ahead of time, one day there will be schools named after him, for trying to save this stupid planet from eating itself into sugar oblivion.
Not really ahead of his time, vince Gironda had his body builder clients eating unlimited steak, eggs and heavy cream to get ripped and ready for comps in the 60's
7 months ago I was eating a typical, carb rich, low fat diet. I was putting on weight at around 1800 - 2000 calories per day. I also did, and still do, about 45 mins of cardio each day and lift weights 3 times per week. After reading up quite a lot on the subject of nutritional ketosis I decided to give it a try as I was getting a little too fat for my liking. I began with the intention of giving keto a 12 week trial to see how I got on with it. 7 months later and I'm still doing it. I lost 2 stone of blubber and now I'm leaner than I ever have been. I lost this weight within the first 3 months and didn't want to continue to loose any more so started upping the calories. To my surprise I had to raise my calories to 3000 per day just to remain at the same weight. Well over 1000 more than on my previous diet high in carbs where I was gaining weight. I was curious about how my blood work results might have been affected since going on this keto diet so asked my doctor to do some blood tests. Everything has improved to a huge degree. Strangely though, when my doctor asked what I had done to make such drastic improvements and I told him it was a ketogenic diet he exclaimed 'Oh my god, get off it immediately, it will kill you!'. So, I asked him when he studied at medical school, how long did you spend studying nutrition. He just looked down at his desk and admitted it was probably one afternoon on the food pyramid. Says it all. It's all very well forming an opinion on what you might think is right, but until you try it out for yourself, it will only be an opinion and not necessarily a fact.
i bet your insulin response is not as dramatic as brefore. i've started at 159 pounds (height 172) i was obviously overweight, now i'm at 158 doing the hight fat low carb moderate protein diet for 4 months now, i go to the gym 3-4 times a week and do cardio when i have time. i've struggled all my life with weight and after reading taubes book it was a game changer for me. i'm not going to change my diet because my blood work is now prestine and i hope to go to my ideal weight which is 140 pounds. so maybe taubes and the low carb comunity are on to something here...
About eight years ago my weight had been creeping up. About 235 at 6'4". Ate fairly healthy mix of protein, fats, carbs, veggies. I'd always been athletic, but was too sedentary. So I started cycling to work. About 20 miles round trip with some good hills. Lost 17 lbs in 2 months then plateaued. My knee went out. (Old injury.) Had knee surgery. Regained weight during recuperation. After surgery, couldn't go back to same level of exercise. Read Good Calories, Bad Calories. Continued to eat as much as I wanted (possibly more), but cut all carbs. Ate lots of meats and cheeses and eggs and nuts and tons of (non starchy) veggies etc.. No exercise aside from walking (one mile) around the block every day before lunch. Lost 30 lbs in two months. Had to start eating some carbs because I didn't want to lose any more weight. Lost fat without losing muscle or feeling hungry and deprived. Now, that's an anecdote, but it's the way it worked for me. Carbs stimulate insulin which sends blood sugar to storage as fat. Less carbs, less insulin, less fat storage. I did not consciously restrict the amount I ate in any way, but the pounds of fat fell off. So these days I count carbs not calories. Works for me. I used to think it was all about the exercise, nowadays I think it's 80% what you eat and 20% your natural metabolism. From my perspective, the advantage of low carb eating is that it doesn't damage your metabolism the way caloric restriction does. Limit carbs, walk at least a little every day.
It's a trip reading the comments here. I think it's important to not become ideological about this stuff. We're already a very polarized planet. This way of eating (low carb high fat diet) works for me. I feel 20 years younger, my heart rate and blood pressure have gone down, my skin looks better, my strength has gone way up while my body fat has gone way down, my blood work is great too.I've researched and listened to Jeff Volek's and Dr. Stephen Phinney's work and data as well as Dr. Jacob Wilson's work at his institute working with elite athletes. I've read the China Study, The Paleo Solution, Fats that Heal, Fats that Kill, The Paleo Diet for Athletes, the PH Miracle, The Glycemic Revolution, The Paleo Manifesto, The Warrior Diet, and many more. This science is fluid and seemingly changes but i can't deny that it's working for me but if someone else is having great results eating a higher carb diet more power to them. I personally do very well on the kerogenic diet, occasionally having a 'carb day' which is just fruits and chia seeds... and that works for me...
You should read the book "Wheat Belly", by William Davis. It explains the difference between wheat from that time and "the thing we call wheat" we are consuming now. It has most of the same base as Gary Taubes: low carb, lots of the "right" food practically "cured" his patients from diabetes, heart disease, hypertension and obesity.
All i can say is, is switched from the traditional high carb diet to paleo (low carb) over night and i had no issues whatsoever. Now i am always satiated and its actually a struggle to eat enough.
For 40 years the Atkins diet has supported high vegetable intake. The problem is that the dieter himself/herself fails to incorporate the low sugar vegetables into their diet. Even in ketosis, on 20g of carbs per day, you can have a tub of spinach and still have carbs to spare . . . coated in an olive oil based dressing . . . doesn't matter. People just don't want to do it.
The reason I mention athletes who are vegan was due to people in this thread claiming it was unhealthy. Jurek has been vegan for a long time, so his health isn't diminishing. He set a US record in 2010. Even you are insinuating that vegans lose muscle, and people losing muscle mass, talented or not, would not repeatedly perform so well.
there is an apparent connection between anorexia and insulin resistance, yes. Dropping pounds is bad and undesireable if those pounds are healthy muscle mass. Cancer patients lose weight on chemo. It is not widely prescribed for that purpose. In any case, it doesn't matter what an athlete does. You might as well point out that lance armstrong can win the tour de france--therefore everybody can and should ride bikes 100s of miles in record times. They're gifted. Good for them.
Durianrider's videos make good points. Plenty of world class athletes are high carb and thriving. Barry Sears, Fallon, and Atkins are or were chubby-fat. Taubes looks pretty good here, but I've seen him looking flabby. I see plenty of people who are paleo and fat---even "gurus."
The problem isn't grains its how we prepare grains. Grains are delicate and we beat the crap out of them through processing methods and then expect them to do us good. Food is a living thing, you cannot ultra-heat treat it, squeeze it into bizarre little shapes and expect it to do you any good. Ancient peoples had many laborious methods of preparing grains. Bread, all bread, used to take a minimum of 2 days to make, now it takes less than an hour in a factory.
Yes, I see where you a going with that. It is a very sad commentary on our culture and how it views masculinity. I suppose the culture views enormous guts and multiple chins as being somehow masculine as well.
Interesting point about DR. I would argue that DR's consumption is a little bit different in that he has a greater cause, beyond just consuming lots of bananas. 1. He is showing people that one must consume a higher volume of food as a whole food vegan compared to the standard american diet due to the lower caloric density (many fail on a vegan diet because they do not recognize this fact). 2. It is possible to consume plant based foods to satisfaction without becoming obese, contrary to the standard american diet and low carb diets, where calorie restriction and "carb" restriction is ingrained -- it can be difficult for some people to overcome the restrictive mindset, which sets them up for inevitable failure on a vegan diet. 3. Being fit requires eating alot -- eating the right foods can lead to peformance gains, and the "right foods" for performance does NOT involve seeking out protein above all else -- contrary to popular societal myth. I think DR is attempting to destroy this myth, and judging by the fact that the two of us are discussing him, I'd say he's been fairly effective within certain demographies.
I’m imagine you can be healthy as a vegan but I can speak personally to what he’s talking about and it feels tremendous. On a high carb, low fat diet I was fat, weighed about 230. Starting eating low carb and got down to 165, I feel endless amounts of energy and to your point, I’m now eating over 4000 calories a day just to remain weight stable. I’m not into torchering animals, I try to eat humanely raised livestock, I find the animals that were treated well and fed a healthy diet provide much more nutrition in the meat. I think there are a lot of interesting approaches, I follow people like rich roll as well just to get a well balanced view of opinions but I personally have benefited greatly from reading books like his.
Well, they are still on a high carb diet. You have to go by the percentage. Just because Americans eat too much food, doesn't make 4 billion people on a low carb diet. They mainly eat veggies, grains, legumes and fruit with a much smaller percentage of animal protein, so basically they are on a high carb diet. Oh, and the amount of rice Chinese eat isn't that low. They eat out of a small bowl but there is a big bowl of rice on the table to refill their tiny bowl.
If you keep your carbs under 30g. a day, you are in ketosis. There are a very large number of delicious veggies in the produce department that don't have many carbs. If you eat these veggies with meat, for 3 meals a day you can can have a very satisfying diet. I don't stay in a keto state myself but I eat a lot of meals that would fit in a keto diet. They are delicious and I don't miss bread, potatoes, and rice. Visit whatimhaving on tumbr for pictures of what I eat.
I've really wondered about his voice too lol. He has a very distinctive way of speaking. As to his 'bloated' belly. Wtf? what standards are you holding people to? he is a lean and healthy looking middle aged man.
Actually you can survive without ever eating a carbohydrate. However, you would die if you never consumed any protein or fat. When your body is used to burning glucose for energy then that's what it normally uses and there can be a transitioning period for your body to start using body fat for energy instead.
I have a question, Mr. Taubes. In your books you assert that exercise does not help you lose weight, by burning calories. You say instead that all it does is make you hungrier. My question is this: Is there not a chance that exercise, through improving insulin receptivity (and thereby lowering insulin output) may actually lower EXCESSIVE appetite? Therefore, moderate exercise would LOWER the appetite, in situations of insulin resistance. Have you found any research on this? If my hypothesis is true, then your assertion to overweight folks, that exercise will only make them hungrier, is doing them a great disservice, by discouraging them from attempting to exercise.
I think that is a good point. However, I think it would be prudent for an obese individual to be on a LCHF diet for at least 4-6 weeks and be, presumably, fat adapted before beginning exercise. Otherwise, the increased activity could very well increase hunger. Efficiently burning fat for energy would decrease the stress on the body during exercise preventing cortisol increase.
They aren't on a high carb diet. Sure they eat rice and noodles but they don't eat off of big plates like Americans do. Their rice comes in a tiny bowl.
also i don't think 4 billion people eat a high carb, low fat diet and are lean...that number seems to large...but yeah the answer is very little sugar ;)
I wish i can reply to all the comments here,but I have a job to do. Sometimes it's best to just let people eat and believe anything they want. Sometimes i feel obligated to chime in, even if just once to some "honest" comments. What people shld realize is that many people make themselves sugar and even carb junkies(I mean that in a good way). i.e they need sugar or just any carb source to survive(for their day to day activities). unfortunately most studies are done on these junkies.
and there are plenty of 'gurus' on the otherside too that are emanciated or flabby. you can't compare people like atkins or fallon to athletes; that's such a massive selection bias: an athelte to a clinician-type role. you must hold variables the same. (as an aside, i don't like sears). yeah, that's right, gary looks great in this vid and it is a recent vid. are the images you were referring too particulary dated?
If u think that Asians eat a LOT of rice, watch Mark Wiens eat his way through Asia and notice the amount of FAT and animal product he eats in the Traditional Thai, Vietnamese, etc food. AND, notice that the rice is almost always WHITE rice or White rice noodles. I believe the reason why Asians, eating a traditional Asian diet are slim is because they eat a lot of fat with their foods and because the rice is processed so as not to Raise Insulin for such a LONG period of time, like a Wheat bun would do! We keep lumping carbs in together,....like we do everything else. We should do studies comparing different rices and wheat, etc. I believe that Wheat and Oats are PARTICULARLY Harmful to MANY humans. If it does not agree with U,...then don't eat it.
Jonathan Ⓥ All rice can be "processed" to raise less insulin. Here you go, some info for you: www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonkblog/wp/2015/03/25/scientists-have-figured-out-a-simple-way-to-cook-rice-that-dramatically-cuts-the-calories/ time.com/3754097/rice-calories-starch/ www.rsc.org/chemistryworld/2015/03/low-calorie-healthy-rice-resistant-starch www.bbc.com/news/health-32019176
Jonathan Ⓥ Diabetes is on the rise in China. It's pretty much sky-rocketing. Furthermore, as starchy food becomes more available, people fast less and eat more. Fasting improves insulin sensitivity. The whole "Chinese eat rice and they're ok" argument is based in complete ignorance. One only has to look at the average height of the Chinese man to see that they are way bellow the average western man. Height being one of the key indicators of nutritious health between 2 populations.
I thought the issue was not obesity _per see,_ but metabolic syndrome. It is perfectly possible to be fat and still have a healthy heart and liver. The prevalence of metabolic diseases can be shown to track the introduction of highly processed grains and refined sugar into the national diet, and the mechanism by which the liver metabolizes fructose (remember, sucrose = glucose + fructose) shows how the metabolic diseases are generated. Everyone used to know that eating too many starches makes you fat; it's why there is often obesity (though not usually metabolic diseases) in poor, malnourished populations.
If it's impossible to store bodyfat on low carb, why aren't the Inuit, who only eat fat and protein, all hyper lean individuals? If carbs make you fat why do cultures that eat high carbs like the Okinawan (70% carb diet) not obese? Taubes goes on and on in GCBC about how the Pima got fat on a high carb diet, but fails to mention the traditional Pima diet was 70%-80 carb.
Gary Taubes and his revisionist version of history made it sound like the Pima were slim on a diet high in animal fat and later became obese on a diet high in carbohydrate. It's the opposite of what actually happened.
entropyfu His point about the Pima was that many of them got fat on a _low-calorie_ diet, which would seem to indicate that the overall quantity of food ingested does not tell the whole story. Likewise, the prevalence of obesity among Eskimos was much lower when they ate their traditional high-fat diet. Obesity and metabolic disease began to rise among Eskimos along with the introduction of refined grains and sugar into their diet.
what is the outcome? without sugar/carbs they become restless,dizzy, weak,moody e.t.c All the studies done on those who are able to wean themselves from the sugar/carb addiction or even on those who never got addicted in the first place , have proven you either need a very minute amount of carbs or even none for months. it's looks as crazy as if i try to prove cocaine is good for people, by depriving a cocaine addict of coke, and then showing everyone the coke the withdrawal symptoms as proof.
Why do all these people with weird sounding names try to push paid for products ("Google it") when you can get advice for free by looking at RUclips then making up your own mind. It's better than looking at lean con-men promising you fat loss - if you pay them, (No real guarantees offered!)
And by 'lean' you mean unhealthily skinny with little to no muscle mass, wasted organs (that have literally shrunk by up to 60% because they're so deprived of nutrients), loads of health problems (especially neurological disorders), rampant blindness because of untreated diabetes caused by a high-carb diet, i could go on and on. PLEASE, sign me up for that diet, i want to be lean like them. Who cares about health; LETS ALL JUST GET LEAN AND SICK! DERP
I blame Oprah. She had an eating disorder, but she and other people like her made "Being Fat" OK ... and now it's the new norm... When society made fun of fat people, there was a strong social deterrent to being fat, now no one cares, because, you know, we're all beautiful snowflakes and being fat is really NOT OUR PROBLEM, WE're just "victims"... :(
You're joking right? BULLYING people into making decisions that you agree with is just that BULLYING people. Society still vilifies fat people, and if you don't believe that then please visit a high school and see how "fat" kids are treated, or better yet show me a large girl on TV that is called pretty? We want people to be healthy we encourage them, we support them, we give them the tools to be better. A very simple analogy that I hope isn't taken poorly is teach well, discipline less. Peace.
I'm leaner than both of those clowns and Mark Sisson's physique is entirely attributable to his steroid use and the fact that he was a former (high carb) competitive athlete.
Either drunk, or experiencing effects of his own diet. Now go watch some high carb vegan speakers, someone like Neal Bernard. Very sharp, very responsive, high contrast to this guy. It's not just about weight folks. It's about your energy levels and your health. Do you really believe you can reach your maximum potential on the diet full of animal fats and proteins ? If so, i've got a bridge to sell.....
Why not i have on a Ketogenic diet, lowered my bad cholesterol, raised my good cholesterol, cured my diabetes, lost 63lbs and i feel amazing all the time.
You don't understand science, do you? That is his 'hypothesis'. He thinks that is going to happen because of insulin. But he doesn't KNOW this. That is why he wants to do the experiment. So there is nothing insane about it. It's how science works.
Ryan Blank If you listen to or read any of his other work, then you would see where he refutes this idea. Main reason being thermogenic effects of food and the fact that metabolism has a ton of variation. In a system where the only variables are kcal in and kcal out, your question would make sense, but the body is much more complex than that.
A study published in 2016 by Kevin Hall is discussed by Guyenet. The Hall study was funded partly by the NuSI of Gary Taubes. It showed that lowering insulin doesn't cause a reduction in body fat without a deficit in the energy budget. There also wasn't a metabolic advantage for the high fat low carb diet except for about a 150 calorie per day advantage that lasted about 10 days as the body transitioned to a low-carb diet and which then declined toward zero. wholehealthsource.blogspot.com/2016/07/nusi-funded-study-serves-up_6.html The results don't support the contentions of low-carb promoters like Atkins and Taubes that lowering insulin will in itself cause weight loss somehow independent of energy budget or that there is a long duration metabolic advantage of hundreds or thousands of calories per day. This agrees with other controlled feeding studies that have been done. Atkins has made very misleading and unfounded statements about metabolic advantage.
high fiber diets have shown to be associated with lower risk of colon cancer low fiber / high fat diets have shown to be associated with high risk for colon cancer now this is just an association maybe if u eat fat and do vigorous exercise ... things metabolically work out differently who knows ... things aren't as simple as this guy is implying
this guy is truly awesome, well ahead of time, one day there will be schools named after him, for trying to save this stupid planet from eating itself into sugar oblivion.
i agree totally.... gary taubes is a genius
Not really ahead of his time, vince Gironda had his body builder clients eating unlimited steak, eggs and heavy cream to get ripped and ready for comps in the 60's
7 months ago I was eating a typical, carb rich, low fat diet. I was putting on weight at around 1800 - 2000 calories per day. I also did, and still do, about 45 mins of cardio each day and lift weights 3 times per week. After reading up quite a lot on the subject of nutritional ketosis I decided to give it a try as I was getting a little too fat for my liking. I began with the intention of giving keto a 12 week trial to see how I got on with it. 7 months later and I'm still doing it. I lost 2 stone of blubber and now I'm leaner than I ever have been. I lost this weight within the first 3 months and didn't want to continue to loose any more so started upping the calories. To my surprise I had to raise my calories to 3000 per day just to remain at the same weight. Well over 1000 more than on my previous diet high in carbs where I was gaining weight. I was curious about how my blood work results might have been affected since going on this keto diet so asked my doctor to do some blood tests. Everything has improved to a huge degree. Strangely though, when my doctor asked what I had done to make such drastic improvements and I told him it was a ketogenic diet he exclaimed 'Oh my god, get off it immediately, it will kill you!'. So, I asked him when he studied at medical school, how long did you spend studying nutrition. He just looked down at his desk and admitted it was probably one afternoon on the food pyramid. Says it all. It's all very well forming an opinion on what you might think is right, but until you try it out for yourself, it will only be an opinion and not necessarily a fact.
i bet your insulin response is not as dramatic as brefore. i've started at 159 pounds (height 172) i was obviously overweight, now i'm at 158 doing the hight fat low carb moderate protein diet for 4 months now, i go to the gym 3-4 times a week and do cardio when i have time. i've struggled all my life with weight and after reading taubes book it was a game changer for me. i'm not going to change my diet because my blood work is now prestine and i hope to go to my ideal weight which is 140 pounds. so maybe taubes and the low carb comunity are on to something here...
Gary is the real thing, 2 million thumb's up!!!
I love how Gary break down things!
About eight years ago my weight had been creeping up. About 235 at 6'4". Ate fairly healthy mix of protein, fats, carbs, veggies. I'd always been athletic, but was too sedentary. So I started cycling to work. About 20 miles round trip with some good hills. Lost 17 lbs in 2 months then plateaued.
My knee went out. (Old injury.) Had knee surgery. Regained weight during recuperation.
After surgery, couldn't go back to same level of exercise. Read Good Calories, Bad Calories. Continued to eat as much as I wanted (possibly more), but cut all carbs. Ate lots of meats and cheeses and eggs and nuts and tons of (non starchy) veggies etc.. No exercise aside from walking (one mile) around the block every day before lunch. Lost 30 lbs in two months. Had to start eating some carbs because I didn't want to lose any more weight. Lost fat without losing muscle or feeling hungry and deprived.
Now, that's an anecdote, but it's the way it worked for me. Carbs stimulate insulin which sends blood sugar to storage as fat. Less carbs, less insulin, less fat storage. I did not consciously restrict the amount I ate in any way, but the pounds of fat fell off.
So these days I count carbs not calories. Works for me. I used to think it was all about the exercise, nowadays I think it's 80% what you eat and 20% your natural metabolism. From my perspective, the advantage of low carb eating is that it doesn't damage your metabolism the way caloric restriction does. Limit carbs, walk at least a little every day.
Gary you’re awesome and you even remind me of Owen Wilson
Great talk! It rally makes sense now!
It's a trip reading the comments here. I think it's important to not become ideological about this stuff. We're already a very polarized planet. This way of eating (low carb high fat diet) works for me. I feel 20 years younger, my heart rate and blood pressure have gone down, my skin looks better, my strength has gone way up while my body fat has gone way down, my blood work is great too.I've researched and listened to Jeff Volek's and Dr. Stephen Phinney's work and data as well as Dr. Jacob Wilson's work at his institute working with elite athletes. I've read the China Study, The Paleo Solution, Fats that Heal, Fats that Kill, The Paleo Diet for Athletes, the PH Miracle, The Glycemic Revolution, The Paleo Manifesto, The Warrior Diet, and many more. This science is fluid and seemingly changes but i can't deny that it's working for me but if someone else is having great results eating a higher carb diet more power to them. I personally do very well on the kerogenic diet, occasionally having a 'carb day' which is just fruits and chia seeds... and that works for me...
You should read the book "Wheat Belly", by William Davis.
It explains the difference between wheat from that time and "the thing we call wheat" we are consuming now. It has most of the same base as Gary Taubes: low carb, lots of the "right" food practically "cured" his patients from diabetes, heart disease, hypertension and obesity.
All i can say is, is switched from the traditional high carb diet to paleo (low carb) over night and i had no issues whatsoever.
Now i am always satiated and its actually a struggle to eat enough.
i WOULD LOVE to see studies showing the caloric penalty involved with insulin resistance.
So true, on so many levels.
you got sugar in that iced tea, Gary?
Gary is awesome..
For 40 years the Atkins diet has supported high vegetable intake.
The problem is that the dieter himself/herself fails to incorporate the low sugar vegetables into their diet.
Even in ketosis, on 20g of carbs per day, you can have a tub of spinach and still have carbs to spare . . . coated in an olive oil based dressing . . . doesn't matter.
People just don't want to do it.
The reason I mention athletes who are vegan was due to people in this thread claiming it was unhealthy. Jurek has been vegan for a long time, so his health isn't diminishing. He set a US record in 2010. Even you are insinuating that vegans lose muscle, and people losing muscle mass, talented or not, would not repeatedly perform so well.
there is an apparent connection between anorexia and insulin resistance, yes. Dropping pounds is bad and undesireable if those pounds are healthy muscle mass. Cancer patients lose weight on chemo. It is not widely prescribed for that purpose. In any case, it doesn't matter what an athlete does. You might as well point out that lance armstrong can win the tour de france--therefore everybody can and should ride bikes 100s of miles in record times. They're gifted. Good for them.
Durianrider's videos make good points. Plenty of world class athletes are high carb and thriving. Barry Sears, Fallon, and Atkins are or were chubby-fat. Taubes looks pretty good here, but I've seen him looking flabby. I see plenty of people who are paleo and fat---even "gurus."
The problem isn't grains its how we prepare grains. Grains are delicate and we beat the crap out of them through processing methods and then expect them to do us good. Food is a living thing, you cannot ultra-heat treat it, squeeze it into bizarre little shapes and expect it to do you any good. Ancient peoples had many laborious methods of preparing grains. Bread, all bread, used to take a minimum of 2 days to make, now it takes less than an hour in a factory.
Do you get kicked out of CrossFit if you don't go low carb or paleo? Just wondering...
i want to volunteer for this trial.
That's awesome, seriously :)
Could overeating be related to a sub-nutritious diet like the USDA food pyramid?
Why doesn't the Crossfit organization invite someone like Dr. Greger, Rich Roll or Tim Van Orden to talk about nutrition?
Are you being serious?
Yes, I see where you a going with that. It is a very sad commentary on our culture and how it views masculinity. I suppose the culture views enormous guts and multiple chins as being somehow masculine as well.
Interesting point about DR. I would argue that DR's consumption is a little bit different in that he has a greater cause, beyond just consuming lots of bananas. 1. He is showing people that one must consume a higher volume of food as a whole food vegan compared to the standard american diet due to the lower caloric density (many fail on a vegan diet because they do not recognize this fact). 2. It is possible to consume plant based foods to satisfaction without becoming obese, contrary to the standard american diet and low carb diets, where calorie restriction and "carb" restriction is ingrained -- it can be difficult for some people to overcome the restrictive mindset, which sets them up for inevitable failure on a vegan diet. 3. Being fit requires eating alot -- eating the right foods can lead to peformance gains, and the "right foods" for performance does NOT involve seeking out protein above all else -- contrary to popular societal myth. I think DR is attempting to destroy this myth, and judging by the fact that the two of us are discussing him, I'd say he's been fairly effective within certain demographies.
I’m imagine you can be healthy as a vegan but I can speak personally to what he’s talking about and it feels tremendous. On a high carb, low fat diet I was fat, weighed about 230. Starting eating low carb and got down to 165, I feel endless amounts of energy and to your point, I’m now eating over 4000 calories a day just to remain weight stable. I’m not into torchering animals, I try to eat humanely raised livestock, I find the animals that were treated well and fed a healthy diet provide much more nutrition in the meat. I think there are a lot of interesting approaches, I follow people like rich roll as well just to get a well balanced view of opinions but I personally have benefited greatly from reading books like his.
Well, they are still on a high carb diet. You have to go by the percentage. Just because Americans eat too much food, doesn't make 4 billion people on a low carb diet. They mainly eat veggies, grains, legumes and fruit with a much smaller percentage of animal protein, so basically they are on a high carb diet. Oh, and the amount of rice Chinese eat isn't that low. They eat out of a small bowl but there is a big bowl of rice on the table to refill their tiny bowl.
I do it. Consider that.
If you keep your carbs under 30g. a day, you are in ketosis. There are a very large number of delicious veggies in the produce department that don't have many carbs. If you eat these veggies with meat, for 3 meals a day you can can have a very satisfying diet. I don't stay in a keto state myself but I eat a lot of meals that would fit in a keto diet. They are delicious and I don't miss bread, potatoes, and rice. Visit whatimhaving on tumbr for pictures of what I eat.
I've really wondered about his voice too lol. He has a very distinctive way of speaking.
As to his 'bloated' belly. Wtf? what standards are you holding people to? he is a lean and healthy looking middle aged man.
Actually you can survive without ever eating a carbohydrate. However, you would die if you never consumed any protein or fat. When your body is used to burning glucose for energy then that's what it normally uses and there can be a transitioning period for your body to start using body fat for energy instead.
7:45 regarding tests.
I have a question, Mr. Taubes.
In your books you assert that exercise does not help you lose weight, by burning calories. You say instead that all it does is make you hungrier.
My question is this: Is there not a chance that exercise, through improving insulin receptivity (and thereby lowering insulin output) may actually lower EXCESSIVE appetite? Therefore, moderate exercise would LOWER the appetite, in situations of insulin resistance. Have you found any research on this?
If my hypothesis is true, then your assertion to overweight folks, that exercise will only make them hungrier, is doing them a great disservice, by discouraging them from attempting to exercise.
very nice young jedi.. what else is on ur mind
I think that is a good point. However, I think it would be prudent for an obese individual to be on a LCHF diet for at least 4-6 weeks and be, presumably, fat adapted before beginning exercise. Otherwise, the increased activity could very well increase hunger. Efficiently burning fat for energy would decrease the stress on the body during exercise preventing cortisol increase.
"emanciated? " So you're saying carbs make you drop pounds?
People did talk a lot about my lunches at work but they all thought they looked good. The biggest issue was that I cooked them, not their content.
They aren't on a high carb diet. Sure they eat rice and noodles but they don't eat off of big plates like Americans do. Their rice comes in a tiny bowl.
What don't you buy about the GMOs?
You'd have to buy the actual book, google:
Diet, Lifestyle and Mortality in China: a Study of the Characteristics of 65 Chinese Counties
you know they have been experimenting on us since WW2 & were getting fat & dieing! Thanks for helping us make changes & live!!! :)
I can't help but think this guy is just a journo that loves the sound of his own voice...😕
also i don't think 4 billion people eat a high carb, low fat diet and are lean...that number seems to large...but yeah the answer is very little sugar ;)
I tell ppl I don't eat sugar, processed food, or starches. Much better received.
Top comment.
REMINDS ME OF OWEN WILSON
I wish i can reply to all the comments here,but I have a job to do. Sometimes it's best to just let people eat and believe anything they want. Sometimes i feel obligated to chime in, even if just once to some "honest" comments. What people shld realize is that many people make themselves sugar and even carb junkies(I mean that in a good way). i.e they need sugar or just any carb source to survive(for their day to day activities). unfortunately most studies are done on these junkies.
Man he sounds so much like owen wilson
and there are plenty of 'gurus' on the otherside too that are emanciated or flabby. you can't compare people like atkins or fallon to athletes; that's such a massive selection bias: an athelte to a clinician-type role. you must hold variables the same. (as an aside, i don't like sears). yeah, that's right, gary looks great in this vid and it is a recent vid. are the images you were referring too particulary dated?
He's sipping bacon fat for those that are curious.
If u think that Asians eat a LOT of rice, watch Mark Wiens eat his way through Asia and notice the amount of FAT and animal product he eats in the Traditional Thai, Vietnamese, etc food.
AND, notice that the rice is almost always WHITE rice or White rice noodles.
I believe the reason why Asians, eating a traditional Asian diet are slim is because they eat a lot of fat with their foods and because the rice is processed so as not to Raise Insulin for such a LONG period of time, like a Wheat bun would do!
We keep lumping carbs in together,....like we do everything else. We should do studies comparing different rices and wheat, etc.
I believe that Wheat and Oats are PARTICULARLY Harmful to MANY humans.
If it does not agree with U,...then don't eat it.
Jonathan Ⓥ
All rice can be "processed" to raise less insulin.
Here you go, some info for you:
www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonkblog/wp/2015/03/25/scientists-have-figured-out-a-simple-way-to-cook-rice-that-dramatically-cuts-the-calories/
time.com/3754097/rice-calories-starch/
www.rsc.org/chemistryworld/2015/03/low-calorie-healthy-rice-resistant-starch
www.bbc.com/news/health-32019176
Jonathan Ⓥ
Diabetes is on the rise in China. It's pretty much sky-rocketing.
Furthermore, as starchy food becomes more available, people fast less and eat more. Fasting improves insulin sensitivity.
The whole "Chinese eat rice and they're ok" argument is based in complete ignorance. One only has to look at the average height of the Chinese man to see that they are way bellow the average western man. Height being one of the key indicators of nutritious health between 2 populations.
+Wingchun Could it be that they're genetically LESS susceptible to fat gain?
Thanks for the links. 👍
I thought the issue was not obesity _per see,_ but metabolic syndrome. It is perfectly possible to be fat and still have a healthy heart and liver. The prevalence of metabolic diseases can be shown to track the introduction of highly processed grains and refined sugar into the national diet, and the mechanism by which the liver metabolizes fructose (remember, sucrose = glucose + fructose) shows how the metabolic diseases are generated. Everyone used to know that eating too many starches makes you fat; it's why there is often obesity (though not usually metabolic diseases) in poor, malnourished populations.
If it's impossible to store bodyfat on low carb, why aren't the Inuit, who only eat fat and protein, all hyper lean individuals?
If carbs make you fat why do cultures that eat high carbs like the Okinawan (70% carb diet) not obese?
Taubes goes on and on in GCBC about how the Pima got fat on a high carb diet, but fails to mention the traditional Pima diet was 70%-80 carb.
Gary Taubes and his revisionist version of history made it sound like the Pima were slim on a diet high in animal fat and later became obese on a diet high in carbohydrate. It's the opposite of what actually happened.
entropyfu His point about the Pima was that many of them got fat on a _low-calorie_ diet, which would seem to indicate that the overall quantity of food ingested does not tell the whole story. Likewise, the prevalence of obesity among Eskimos was much lower when they ate their traditional high-fat diet. Obesity and metabolic disease began to rise among Eskimos along with the introduction of refined grains and sugar into their diet.
how many calories should a 45 year old eat each day?
what is the outcome? without sugar/carbs they become restless,dizzy, weak,moody e.t.c All the studies done on those who are able to wean themselves from the sugar/carb addiction or even on those who never got addicted in the first place , have proven you either need a very minute amount of carbs or even none for months. it's looks as crazy as if i try to prove cocaine is good for people, by depriving a cocaine addict of coke, and then showing everyone the coke the withdrawal symptoms as proof.
Why do all these people with weird sounding names try to push paid for products ("Google it") when you can get advice for free by looking at RUclips then making up your own mind. It's better than looking at lean con-men promising you fat loss - if you pay them, (No real guarantees offered!)
That applies nicely to the Taubes fanboys.
I wish Taubes can take his exprtise and investigate vaccines.
***** Not his job to make vaccines but to investigate. Would be an interesting read.
***** In what way is he a con man?
***** Prove it
+Dark-sheep13 fuck off!
Listen black sheep follow the herd.
Fructose, the worst of all carbs, they have none of it.
I agree. It's easier for Taubes to fool people than it is to convince Taubes fans they were fooled.
And by 'lean' you mean unhealthily skinny with little to no muscle mass, wasted organs (that have literally shrunk by up to 60% because they're so deprived of nutrients), loads of health problems (especially neurological disorders), rampant blindness because of untreated diabetes caused by a high-carb diet, i could go on and on. PLEASE, sign me up for that diet, i want to be lean like them. Who cares about health; LETS ALL JUST GET LEAN AND SICK! DERP
I blame Oprah. She had an eating disorder, but she and other people like her made "Being Fat" OK ... and now it's the new norm... When society made fun of fat people, there was a strong social deterrent to being fat, now no one cares, because, you know, we're all beautiful snowflakes and being fat is really NOT OUR PROBLEM, WE're just "victims"... :(
14:55 test for lean people.
And the reason why this experiment didn't work? He didn't have a control group lol
i don't give durianrider a second thought because he spews some massively, biologically incorrect statements...
Not everyone has the metabolic burn rate.. I think science speaks over assumptions. Your statement is closed minded.
You're joking right? BULLYING people into making decisions that you agree with is just that BULLYING people. Society still vilifies fat people, and if you don't believe that then please visit a high school and see how "fat" kids are treated, or better yet show me a large girl on TV that is called pretty? We want people to be healthy we encourage them, we support them, we give them the tools to be better. A very simple analogy that I hope isn't taken poorly is teach well, discipline less. Peace.
its the save my voice drink, if he looses his voice, a zip of the fluid, and he can start talking again.
I'm leaner than both of those clowns and Mark Sisson's physique is entirely attributable to his steroid use and the fact that he was a former (high carb) competitive athlete.
Either drunk, or experiencing effects of his own diet. Now go watch some high carb vegan speakers, someone like Neal Bernard. Very sharp, very responsive, high contrast to this guy. It's not just about weight folks. It's about your energy levels and your health. Do you really believe you can reach your maximum potential on the diet full of animal fats and proteins ? If so, i've got a bridge to sell.....
Do you own a dog? I bet he is delicious haha.
ill buy that bridge.... and my bloodwork and weight says otherwise.. lol... keep doin wht ur doin lol
which bridge?
Well then. Ever thought about owning your own bridge ? :)
Why not i have on a Ketogenic diet, lowered my bad cholesterol, raised my good cholesterol, cured my diabetes, lost 63lbs and i feel amazing all the time.
IS HE DRUNK ???? I watched his presentation and gradually I noticed a decline in his response and motor skills, Am I The only one??
What's he drinking? Chicken fat?
This is insane. He's claiming you're going to LOSE weight on a caloric surplus, yet even admits he has NO studies to support this claim
You don't understand science, do you? That is his 'hypothesis'. He thinks that is going to happen because of insulin. But he doesn't KNOW this. That is why he wants to do the experiment. So there is nothing insane about it. It's how science works.
Lex do you know what laws of thermodynamics are?
Ryan Blank
If you listen to or read any of his other work, then you would see where he refutes this idea. Main reason being thermogenic effects of food and the fact that metabolism has a ton of variation. In a system where the only variables are kcal in and kcal out, your question would make sense, but the body is much more complex than that.
Wrong
A study published in 2016 by Kevin Hall is discussed by Guyenet. The Hall study was funded partly by the NuSI of Gary Taubes. It showed that lowering insulin doesn't cause a reduction in body fat without a deficit in the energy budget. There also wasn't a metabolic advantage for the high fat low carb diet except for about a 150 calorie per day advantage that lasted about 10 days as the body transitioned to a low-carb diet and which then declined toward zero.
wholehealthsource.blogspot.com/2016/07/nusi-funded-study-serves-up_6.html
The results don't support the contentions of low-carb promoters like Atkins and Taubes that lowering insulin will in itself cause weight loss somehow independent of energy budget or that there is a long duration metabolic advantage of hundreds or thousands of calories per day. This agrees with other controlled feeding studies that have been done. Atkins has made very misleading and unfounded statements about metabolic advantage.
Gary Taubes has a gut.
high fiber diets have shown to be associated with lower risk of colon cancer
low fiber / high fat diets have shown to be associated with high risk for colon cancer
now this is just an association
maybe if u eat fat
and do vigorous exercise ... things metabolically work out differently
who knows ... things aren't as simple as this guy is implying
Search "Gary Taubes - Low Carb Lifestyle" Watch him struggling to breathe. He's not a healthy fellow.