The problem with this game is "alright, I've finally unlocked weapons and frames that i wanted to play, now what?" There's simply not enough content to piqued my interest after unlocking weapons that i think is fun.
So like all PvE games basically, it's not exclusive to this game. There are still various ways of playing the game, and like all games you can set challenges for yourself. You don't need to have a new equipment or stats to raise to be able to log-in and play. Look at what most people do with console games. Most are pretty linear games but players still come up with new ideas to play their game, assuming you really want to play. And if you absolutely need new objectives set by the game itself, updates are still rolling, it's fine if at some point you feel like taking a break. Then you come back when there's new stuff to try or more story, maps to explore.
@@STUVash Except that "most" PvE games are not loot based, and most of them are fun to play anyway with or without some loot. Sure you can set challenges for yourself, like no mods on weapons or warframes, but let's be honest here, when people click that launch button on steam, they want to play the game. They want to have fun, not set some challenges for themselves to complete.
@@STUVash "You don't need to have a new equipment or stats to raise to be able to log-in and play. " In a loot based game, where most of the incentive of playing is progression, yes you kind of do need those things.
@BoxOfBloxy's CS:GO is played because there are really bored and/or boring "gamers" who get attracted to that game for some really strange reason. They could've at least chose a game that functions properly and that actually rewards you for sinking hundreds of hours into it, but I believe that's just their narcissism at play. I'm surprised no one has made a branch of psychology dedicated to studying CS:GO players. I'm telling you, we'd find out lots of super weird things about the human brain if psychologists studied them.
@@zanesnep the reason csgo is so popular is because of competitive, Csgo has possibly the best competitive environment because the game is entirely skill based
Currently de is in lot of trouble also I heard the game is going to mobile and gonna get cross play I don't if it's true but I will stick with game till end I love De and community a lot they helped me to grow lot and this game still has hopes sadily I play in Xbox
They really need to take a step back, play the game, take notes, hear the community and plan on fixing all of the systems and work on connection. I'm pretty sure a lot of us are willing to go through a content drought to get this game back into a playable and fun state. I'm holding out hope and optimism, Scott has a broad view but Shys podcast was the first time any DE dev sounded human to me. The devstream this week will address the state of the game so hopefully they touch on a majority of the concerns we have. I personally like railjack but wouldn't mind them remastering the old raids or adding new ones.
I originally fell in love with the game because of the magic space ninja esque gameplay, the speed and pace at which the movement system encourages. 4k hours later, I'm just about done. Once you get past a certain hour threshold in the game, everything is just devoid of challenge. There is literally no skill needed to play the game, which makes it pretty much unsuitable for streaming. IMHO the big problems of warframe are as follows (no particular order): feature creep, power creep, and incoherent systems. It's my belief that if they reworked the core gameplay systems of the game, they can breathe new life and generate player interest again in droves.
"They really need to take a step back, play the game, take notes, hear the community and plan on fixing all of the systems and work on connection" Thanks for listing all the things DE is notorious for not doing.
As a founder, I can safely say they should have focused completely on bettering the base foundation of the game and probably Archwing, which was completely wasted. Also no true direction for the game, as a game. It's not only one of the grindiest games I've ever seen since day 1, but it really lacks content past the grind being practically all the content. This game should have had direction instead of long, LONG breaks between anything Really Relevant. Seriously, how many years has it been since? Also hoping the Excessive TennoGen isn't going to continue any further.
Yeah. Archwing. First time I saw it I was like oh this game is like Zone of the Enders... I was wrong. It never got there. It could get there but DE never came back to it. People just want same old same old. They hate change. If DE tries anything new, the player base just shoots it down.
My biggest issue and why I stopped playing the game was the fact that the game lacks any real difficulty or challenge, you either instantly melt everything or get 1 shot depending on your frame and mods. There's no inbetween. The powercreep has been insane and most frames are just way to strong even with half decent mods. Also the open world stuff that they seem to want to focus more on IMO has been the most boring content, it's just the same types of missions we do just in a big world where it takes longer to get to the objective.
@@ixiahj tennogen was going to happen even before this shitfest tennogen isnt the part of the problem since Tennogen isn't DE they're the community making skins
6:20 Chess is a game that is easy to learn but difficult to master. From a few simple rules and concepts emerges a deep game that requires immense strategy. Warframe is like the opposite of chess. It would benefit a lot from less breadth and more depth.
They could've expanded on Stalker's story since The Second Dream was so good. Also, maybe we could help or cooperate with the Stalker without diminishing the game mechanic of Stalker marks and such.
@@starchild7473 or maybe it would become kind of like a rivalry design? Where yes, you do have to work together, but if you go power hungry and start slaying bosses all willy nilly, he is going to try and put you down and make you face penance
I feel that. I haven't played warframe in like 2 years now and just wanted to check in on what was happening. It seems like it's got Destiny's problem but cranked up to 11. Before I stopped playing warframe I would just look at the director and not know what to do or even give a crap. It's so so grindy as well. It would take dozens of hours for me to even get started with new expansions like PoE or Fortuna and I still didn't understand what was going on half the time. I get this sounds like the grievances of a casual player, and you shouldn't cater solely to them *cough* D2Y1 *cough*, but still. If as non-super hardcore/content creator player I have to put in 20hours a week fishing and mining for the materials needed to buy weapon parts to then build and then level up and then forma 5 times - I can't do it. I won't. It's just not worth my time, even as fun as I found warframe. I don't see myself ever going back either. It just feels so bloated. I would be a million years behind (as if I wasn't even when I did play),what do I even have to catch up to - what's the point?
This week I've made the decision to walk away after 6 years on PS4. I've invested a lot, not just time & prime access but the PS4 community too. I've been a warlord in small clans, officer in moon clan, won the dojo comp with the pirate ship I built, helped hundreds of players.. but since Tennocon 18 the game has been going downhill. I've been staying only for the community but a vast amount of the community isn't playing, haven't been playing. The active people are new players and the last few remaining vets. I feel bad for DE, I know they never wanted to deliver a bad product but that's what we've been getting. I've been posting similar comments on the similar vids in the last few days hoping it might mean.. something. For all I've invested, walking away now means something.. to me. Good luck to all 👍
I think everything started going wrong with the pseudo open worlds, they should've kept working on the solar system, make the missions better and less repetitive, add more replayability to them, make more planets, raids, endless missions, adding more value to clans and maybe make a larger player driven economy like eve online especially since trade is flourishing in warframe, also quests has been successful so they should've focused on them too, and finally events with an emphasis on lore and making them community driven and less grind in general, I think that it's too late now tho, the train already departed, they've already committed to things that shouldn't be in the game at all if they had a vision and if they understood that they should be more realistic with their ambitions, honestly if they wanted a full open world warframe with ship combat and space travel they should've just made warframe 2, the warframe we have now can't be open world.
Thats the thins they just keep throwing stuff like the pvp games, archwing, etc. And just let them there instead of polihing the stuff that is already in.
Instead they release new boss then mob the floor with the face of that boss when you kill him for the 20th time first release day because you need all of the loot parts to drop They literally kill the fun. Instead of remembering the boss fight as an epic battle it becomes a boring chore and a grind fest.
You know, after watching this video I realized something. Back in the day when something was messed up, I knew about it by experiencing it and then I'd do some research to see if it was common, if there was posts or tweets about dev awareness, possible fixes and so on. Eventually and pretty soon it'd be fine. There was always friction among the community but a post about "FIX IT DE!" or some variation of that wouldn't pop up once every 15mins in whatever platform. Now, there's so much wrong with this game it's nearly impossible to follow it all and seemingly there's a new one popping up angering more people by the hour. The worst part is, the devs are either playing deaf or they have lost the track themselves as well. Both of those possibilities are frightening to me. I guess I'll just observe where things will go from now on and see how DE is either going to be a hero or die a villian.
I started playing two months ago. You will enjoy the game for 2-3 months and then hit a wall and there won't be anything for you to do that matters. You will be stuck with doing majority of the activities alone cause no one wants to do that stuff anymore. Try to stay away frm Railjack quest btw. Its a massive resource sink to just build it and then you will get stuck on fourth mission cause your Railjack is trash and the upgrades cost an arm and a leg.
Guys the game is still a great amazing game. As a new player you will fall in love with it and probably play 500 + hours still. This is for the side of the veteran playera who really have nothing to do.
Also t4 survivals and t4 defenses were insanely fun back in the day! Me and my friends wanted to go as long as we could and farm those prime parts! But now prime farming is sooo lame! Like oh yea let me go farm a hijack mission and get lith keys then go farm the lith key 30 times and never get the part.... not to mention the key missions are sooo short and not challenging!!!! The only challenging part is rng! I miss the every 15 minutes on a t4 survival a rare drop was coming so you were actually invested in staying that extra 15 minutes and trying to keep life support up and making team comps that can last over an hour! That was true fun when warframe first came out!
Yes.. I remember that. This game was fucking fun. Get a squad, how much keys each one? Rotation abc? Prime parts, void. Void now is a another place but back in the days it was a special place. I always hatted the relics update, it killed the fun for prime grind.
Yeah now you get less rewards when doing survival, defence since you have to use a key every 5minutes/5waves. I wish DE would add in the AXI relics always a void mission
The void key change was what killed the game for my friends. Literally it was our favorite tile set and we enjoyed it since enemies actually did damage. The moment the new system came out, my friends started dropping like flies.
Was talking to a friend about this. It seems like looter shooters are hard to maintain their player base. Destiny. Division. Warframe. I personally feel we put too much hours into grinding these games as their depth is vast unlike other titles. Monster hunter for example which is vast. I think we need to also take a second game up or else we will burn out as many streamers as well as normal players have or else you see more videos explaining flaws in this game and people will jump on the bandwagon. I mean a lot of people still play these games; because casuals jump on when they can rather than people will all the time in the world. It’s a difficult one I feel to get right. Content is always the main point of everyone pep talk on these games but it doesn’t seem to be a easy thing to apply in games as well as fixing stuff and maintaining newer player to help expand their game.
I'm pretty sure even I have pointed out how dead inside u looked during ur streams vs a year prior so like... Doesn't take a wizard to see that. I also am sceptical about recent transparency but hey, time will tell. And if DE really wants to change, then I for one won't sit here and make it harder for them to do so
It's depressing that I can put 25% the effort into this video that is just rambling about the game and get a 200% increase in views and I can poor my heart and soul into a review video for a different game and it gets 88% less views
@@xiFlynn ah yes. The good old gift & curse of the warframe community. We all know it. We all feel it. Still kinda fecked up and scary tho. But u should never allow that to be a measurement of ur own worth ok
Too much mashing up content just seems there is no proper roadmap and it's just a case slap this bit here and there with no coherence to it. The game just doesn't flow, you can tell which bits were added in later
I agree on a lot of points with Flynn and what a lot of other community members have been saying recently. There a few where I disagree, or don't hear often enough. 1) Kuva Liches are too grindy. I disagree because once you start it and get through like two or three lichss it becomes pretty quick because you have a few extra requiem mods and you are able to guess the mods beforehand. I do agree that some of the rewards are very lackluster, like there a few weapons that are not worth it (Karak for example) but I think overall I enjoy the grind of that the most. You do different missions, your lich is somewhat different every time, and they can get fun little quirks you wouldn't expect. My biggest problem with Kuva Liches is that they're not really connected to anything else in the game beyond the War Within quest. If they mattered say for the New War (defeating Liches to recruit them for the fight, or the grineer utilizing their Kuva warriors against us or the sentients are a few ways they can instantly have more meaning in the game). 2) I personally enjoy the concept of railjack, having my own ship and destroying my enemies in it is super fun. However, the execution of rewards and narrative connection are very poor. You get rewards to make it easier to grind. Those aren't real rewards. They aren't meaningful. And the ship isn't meaningful beyond having your own ship because it really doesn't matter in Scarlet Spear because you just park it somewhere and board something else. The concept was cool but doesn't quite hit the mark in terms of incorporation. 3) Something I think people don't bring up enough is narrative connection or even the narrative in general. Railjack and Liches have no meaning. You could take them out of Warframe and make separate games out of them and no one would know they have anything to do with Warframe. Scarlet Spear feels like a paragraph of narrative when in reality it should be another chapter in the book of Warframe. The meaning isn't there and there is little connection for me to do the Murex raids. It's too repitive without good rewards and doesn't develop the story any further. I can't imagine a new player playing Scarlet Spear and having any clue as to what's going on or why it matters. There are a lot of issues that Warframe has and those are just the tip of the iceberg. I really hope Warframe comes back around and deals with them because I do love the game. I love the story, so far, the gameplay loop is mostly enjoyable, I love the setting, it's got a lot of good things right, they just need to address all of the sour things on top of it.
I think the problem is that there are a lot of Vets and beginners and very few intermediate players. I'm at about 450 hours and I feel like I've barely scratched the surface at MR11. That being said I know the end is near because there is no true endgame content. All they need to do is make it harder for vets to be able to one shot things . They need to release an expansion that is just for vets level 250+ content that you have to be geared up completely to do but that doesnt lock certain frames out (mirage too squishy lol) and then release tutorials that are accurate and made by warframe partners and content creators. After that they can focus on mainline story updates that dont multiply the grind by 40000%
I don’t think that making it harder for vets will solve anything. The reason for that is because everything DE does are for vets. For example, kuva lich and railjack. They were meant to be hard and still are. What they need to do to stop the vets from leaving is improving the base game. Stuff like the kuva lich is exactly what that means. It expands on the grind and farm nature of the base game. More of it is needed to improve and make the base as solid as possible so that they can focus on stuff like events, railjack, scarlet spear, etc....
15:42 Trying to develop a game for everyone is in my opinion almost impossible. No one can appeal to everyone. This is why a lot of people hated previous seasons of fortnite. Fortnite was so heavely based around skill it was merely impossible for new players to win. So they were doing a lot of decisions, that pissed off a lot of veterans. They made the game really rng. Seems familiar? But the difference is, that in DEs case it doesn't make sense.
How? they know vets will return on word of a substantial content drop, their main concern is to get new players past the 10hr mark to get them invested. Tho I disagree with DE, they’ve got some sort of direction of getting new players
@@mentra1 Fortnite devs were trying to balance their game, but veterans hated it. Devs were trying to create game, where everyone can win. For DE grind is a content. Look at what a disaster kuva liches were. It is pure rng from spawning the lich, killing the lich, getting the weapon that you wanted to even the fucking stats on that weapon. The reason why this is such a problem is that after you finish the main questline you don't have nothing to do exept for grinding. That is the reason why endgame is important in warframe.
Been playing Warframe for almost 2 years. It's in my rotation. I never got tired of it cause I don't play it regularly. People hated Scarlet Spear but it's the reason why I got into playing WF regularly again. Now I have maxed out Arcanes! It definitely changed how I play. Now, I'm building tons of Zaws and rounding out my Prime weapons. I love how regularly DE updates the game. Kinda is hard to catch up once you stop playing for months.
The Jovian Accord update was the best update they releaced since Fortuna imo. It was small, added a boss, a new warframe and chunk of weapons, updated an old tile set, and added a pretty fun game mode they expanded upon later. But most importantly they added more to the core gameplay loop. Why, probably most of us, play Warframe.
once update lands, and u get stuff u want, its not worth playing ,because tehre isnt a place for those weapons to be pushed to the limit, steel path exists but its just enemy ehp increase, literally just ehp increase
So. Ive had this game installed on my ps4 for 5 years now, got in at the end of gate crash and the beginning of tubemen. The first three and a half years were great however the following was the start of a downward trend. The first thing which today is the best thing was the change from keys to relics for prime farming. It streamlined the prime grind to a extent turning what felt like a endless grind into a week of grinding, but at the same time killed the major reason to go to the void (luckily argons still exist huh?) Second the plains. Yes I was hyped as fuck for this, and yes I was there for hours on end but the only thing it was good for was enticing everyone to farm and buy more rivens in hopes they can make a "eidolon killer" and all that was left was the arcane grind. In essence unfortunately the same can be said about fortuna. Was hype, played for hours, grinded for new stuff, grinded for riv and mods to kill big thing faster continue brain dead grind for cosmetics and arcanes. At this point the only thing I had hope in was the overarching story that was going on. With the disappearance and inevitable betrayal I was really looking forward to what was coming next, but with the previous continuation with what is slowly looking like a redemption arc for the lotus which I'm willing to bet we will be saving her.......ugh. In essence the grind is nonsensical, bland, and irritating due to the constant introduction of new materials. The gameplay is getting bogged down due to how mindlessly you can play (in scarlet spear ground missions you can PRACTICALLY run it with a nova and limbo), and the story is slowly becoming more predictable.
One of the reasons that games like this release lots of assets during development downtime is because it's easy to do with very little development overhead from programming staff. They have the artists and graphical designers employed, so they need to do something. Development staff is busy with Railjack Update, Scarlet Spear, etc. For another example, I noticed this with DayZ Standalone. Programming was busy with fixing literally everything wrong with that game at the engine level. The artists were left to pushing out clothes, houses, and textures constantly because there was nothing else to do. Just some info you might find interesting, not meant as an overall criticism of the video or anything. Keep up the great content!
While that's true I believe that it's different to come out and say "hey look what we have in development" and then to come out and say "hey look at this update that you are going to be getting" and then have one third of what was shown actually be available come launch / a year later.
@@xiFlynn Except for the fact liches had 3 years development time, and 2.5 years or so now for Railjack. Then they admit after launch they only worked on either diligently for a few months. Then Pikachu face hard when we react negatively to the results of their half assed half baked efforts.
They are stuck with what to do as a tile based hoard shooter they have run out of ideas which is why they try to push open world content so much. We wait and wait for these hugs drops and it gets devoured in a couple of weeks and you are back to square one wondering what the point of logging in is. The game falls off massively when you run out of quests, not the grind to unlock frames, amps and arcanes behind standing but actual quests they shouldn't release a new frame if there isn't a quest to go along side it. It would be regular new content to keep us busy while we wait for the more major updates.
This point is exactly what baffles me about both DE and a huge percentage of the playerbase being all ''lore and quests aren't important / nobody plays for that''. *_Yes, it's important._* Yes, we do play to feel like space ninjas and combat takes precedence; but part of feeling like a space ninja is the roleplay element of the storytelling, and without the lore and world-building the quests bring in, that element falls apart. The game can't survive on *_just_* combat. It needs a narrative and a living, breathing world so that when the combat gets eventually and inevitably stale, the storytelling can pique the player's interest and keep them engaged.
I like railjack, when I saw the trailer for railjack that hooked me and the reason why I started playing warframe. The problem with railjack is the same problem that plagues other contents in warframe, it has become its own independent island of grind. I think the only way to fix this is make separate contents complementary to one another in terms of grinding and utility. For example. In complementary grinding, Lich agents can spawn railjack missions and gives you murmur, kuva siphons too and gives kuva, railjack resources can spawn in star chart missions, POE and OOV resources can also be found on other places and you can even trade with each other. You get the idea, just do this on every content warframe has to offer. In complementary utility, these are more interesting in my opinion. If railjack can be used as forward base of operation during a missions for example, you can bring it in any mission and go to railjack and swap warframes, reload gears, fix and revive companions, you can even save progress while going to your railjack during endurance missions and come back later. Oplink can also be used as means to call in back up in a middle of a mission or create contracts to recover your body and loot if you fail horribly and die. K-drive should be used on regular missions and dojo, they should add pathfinding to it for ease of use. Just about any idea that takes just a little bit of resources but makes the game more interconnected and cohesive will do. I think these are the features that DE should work on or something towards that line.
A few years ago, right after railjack and the new open world map were teased, I stopped playing unintentionally due to losing internet and some other life stuff. The whole time I felt excited for the day I'd come back to a mountain of new content. Came back about a month ago, and can't help but feel completely dissapointed. The first things I did were grind for Mesa and equinox prime because they didn't exist when I last played. Started to get used to the game again, got excited about builds, wanted to try out railjack and see the new open world. But now I every time I log on I just feel like... Meh. There's not much worth doing. I don't see a grind that leads to anything cool I want and don't already have. My old buddies don't play. I don't get any satisfaction from doing almost any content. Feels bad :(
I agree especially how they saying that khora's venari can heal objectives is an exploit. They dont even realise that they put it in as a tip themselves 100% agree on the fashion part. Nowadays people are investing into fashion even though that's in warframe that is not the point but DE dont get that. They are doing whatever they can to make people still play the game
For me in this state of affairs it has become a grind to get godly weps but then you don't really have any fun content to run with those godly weps. So it's a grind to get weapons to use those to get better weapons lol once I had almost all the kuva lich guns I didn't feel the need to use them in missions because you could easily try out worse guns and do fine in end game missions. Everything dies pretty easily by fully modded weapons at lvl 100 and below anyways. Unless you are into those endurance runs, there's nothing to really spend your time doing with the unlocked weapons you get.
The DE I remember from 2013 is not the same DE we have in 2020 its almost as if they view us as enemies, so they keep barreling on with their "vision" and that vision does not coincide with what the players want most of which just comes completely out of left field while leaving us scratching our heads going "wait.... what?.... why?". I know you mentioned the liches being the best update recently for you but I would argue that the gas city rework was arguably better since it didn't break anything, add yet another really insane grind fest, and we got a pretty fun mission type out of it.... also Wisp. If Scott keeps his word and reworks a lot of the old systems that have been left stagnate in the game most of which we refuse to touch either due to them being stupidly broken or not worth playing because they are boring/grindy, then that may reinvigorate players to come back and play content that already exist, and not have us waiting for new content to be developed for a lengthy period that for the most part has missed the mark by a long shot. DE also needs to do away with the concept of huge grind slogs and time gates just to buy them development time, if you make game modes interesting and fun to replay players will keep playing them just for the hell of it... raids, the old T3/4 endurance void runs, disruption just to name a few are good examples of that and those can buy them the time they need to make new content that isn't half assed or phenomenally broken out the gate.
The fun died for me when they removed the classic raids since it was fun to learn how to do them smooth together with a team. I know that they put in eidolons to replace it, but ever since I started playing again it feels like eidolon hunting is a super big grind to even get into since I need AMPs, specific builds etc etc. I feel like the barrier of entry to the classical raids way more. I do think liches are an interesting addition, but I'd like to dismiss a lich if I accidentally created one I didn't want or if I get bored of it stealing all my stuff while I don't feel like hunting it down.
I'm a bit late to this Party, but I wanna say something. After watching these aforementioned Discussions with DE Scott I was optimistic. There was a sense of Oh-Sh*t Mode finally being activated at DE. However, your points about what Warframe has become / is becoming hit the mark precisely: I don't care much about Railjack, but it was good to hear, they're fixing it. But what else is coming? Nightwave, Deadlock Protocol and then what? Duviri? I'm not interested in that either. I get that WF is a Power Fantasy. Does that mean Content mustn't be hard to complete? No! Just give us the Guy, who is a Power Fantasy compared to us as a Fight or whatever. Let us test limits of our Builds and Skills. That is all. Thank you.
To late at all. I think DE should just stop making new content and start fixing the broken one. Like No man's sky but where there is more broken content. I mean, railjack has a really big potential, lich system is really interesting.
I'd love a infinite sorties Like the enemies keep scaling and so do the rewards And the longer you go the more restrictions and the more challenging they are like maybe spy with no invisibility, or extermination with insane armor. Then you have to change your strat, like hmm can't use ivara so I'll use Loki and teleport around, or hmm these enemies have tons of armor I should bring ash with seeking. It like be so quick to implement and it could be a good way to make grinding rivens more interesting or having a challenge
I just want them to make it “easier” to understand what needs to be done and where. I don’t know how many times I’m constantly looking up videos of where and how to get things because I update the game, load it and we’ll there it is... DE basically says “have at it” Maybe a system in place where players can go in game and look up mods, or resources without relying on outside sources to understand how to do things or where to farm things. Players like that often just imitate those who they watch rather then making up something all their own. Because they don’t know any better
I think they did a really good job at improving gameplay. Gameplay is now much much smoother like the melee 3.0 so you can shoot melee shoot melee in fast combo's, but the problem is that what you do with that there is not a profitable, hard, rewarding content for players that have pretty much everything unlocked and that's the problem. My opinion :)
It’s times like these that I remember that I have most fun in warframe when I play and do missions with low ranked weapons, slowly ranking up and modding them until they’re strong enough to get me through the missions I’d otherwise breeze through with my better, more powerful weapons.
Before I watch the video, I've been playing warframe a bunch lately after a few years, I never got really far originally. But I have been having tons of fun!
that lee message was exactly how i was feeling mate you inspired me to give warframe a go i dont regret that but i do miss the old enthusiastic iflynn thanks mate
19:05 This is so true Warframe basically already has all the ingredients in the game to make really good content people would love to play, they have cool looking environments and tilesets, all kinds off cool enemies, a base gameplay with the warframes and weapons that people really like so why don't capitalize and build more on those strengths instead of always trying to reinvent the wheel? Make some new challenging more high level star chart planets with new cool bosses or challenging Raids i don't get what their problem is why they can't just go for obvious content expansions people will enjoy for sure at least every now and than. This game is like 7 years old and still has next to no sustainable content in the game that is build to give all the powers you collected and the builds you made a purpose content more focused towards experienced players. How can you make a rpg like online game and ignoring the late game aspects of your game for almost a full decade?
I genuinely feel like DE have the potential for an AMAZING game. The concepts behind this game is what has drawn me in to it (as well as iFlynns enthusiastic beginner videos 😜) but the core problem (as stated in the video) is the lack of challenging content to work towards and all the bugs/prematurely released content. There is also a big disconnection between all the events and content. It feels pointless doing certain things because it literally makes no difference in other areas. Like what’s the point in getting a riven for an already OP weapon when you can destroy everything in the game without one. Overall I think DE need an overhaul where they fix the content that’s already there and work on improving what’s in the game rather than ignoring it and making new content. Love the video tho iFlynn ❤️ really Hope DE make the game worthwhile so content creators like you can continue to make content willingly rather than it feeling like a chore/grind
I've recently started playing Warframe but due my gain in free time I have clocked almost 200 hours in the last 3 weeks and I am starting to feel the lack of end game content, the Kuva Lich's are fun for a bit but with these new powerful weapons I'm struggling to find things to do. I would use them to hunt Eidolons but why would I bother when I can do 5 runs of scarlet spear and get a fully upgraded arcane. I've been a hardcore destiny player since release in 2014 and have clocked almost 2000 hours in both games and I have pre purchased almost all the DLC and have been let down almost every time and in march I just had enough and stopped playing destiny and picked up Warframe with my friends instead and I am really enjoying it for now but I am starting to run out of content, I get that it is a FTP game so they need to get people coming back but the reliance on RnG in Warframe is one of my gripes, I'll use riven mods as an example. I do the Sortie every day and I find the rewards on that are all over the place, I have had 6 ayatan sculptures in a row and I'm not complaining at the endo but I wish there was a more specific way of getting rivens, yes I know you can farm slivers from requiem relics but that can only be done when you have end game level mods, like rivens. The last riven I got from the Sortie was one for a zaw which require you to have a decent rank with cetus to get a semi decent one and even then I had and still have no intention of getting a zaw when there are far better melee weapons like Galatine and Gram prime so I have a useless riven that I may as well turn into endo. The only riven I have for a weapon I actually use is one I brought off of someone on the market. I'm used to praying to RnJesus from playing destiny but at least the system felt like I could have a good idea of what I would actually get but with the riven I could get could be for any weapon that can only be used on some or all of its variants and the fact you are never guaranteed a riven and that it could be for any weapon in the game which it or the riven could be MR locked is incredibly off putting in my opinion. I am not a long time player so my opinion doesn't carry as much weight but I can see the issues with the game which can be rectified but the just have to listen to player. Bringing destiny back up, they send out a survey to all of the lapsed players to ask them why they stopped playing, they are actively seeking out feedback from people who have played the game but no longer do. I think there is a lot that DE could learn from Bungie. Sorry for the long comment
By the time I'm commenting this, Railjack revisited part 1: Update 27.4 has been out for 10 days and Update 27.4.4 for 3 days. There's still no way to extract from a railjack mission if the host decides to go on starting new ones, unless they are kind enough to listen and go to the Dry Dock. Forced to abort mission to get out, which literally erases all the progress rewards from the Last Mission Results. Blows my mind, unnerving, even if I have my stuff in the inventory, doesn't feel secure at all to play that mode.
OMEGA I mean even if that’s the case and they somehow pull a bungie, do you think that would help? I used to think so but even bungie is back having trouble with their community right now and ppl are quitting the game bc their devs aren’t listening either.
@@doootheytho9821 right now with bungie its a quantity over quality problem which is also the same problem with DE atm think about it were no longer receiving a content drought but the updates are shit
@@doootheytho9821 i'm not saying DE isn't at fault because they definetely could do more but with bungue i'm pretty sure all the main or most of the main devs left
It hurt when I got to the Railjack part in the video. I thought that Railjack was supposed to connect everything in WF: get into the open world area, call down your 'Jack, fly into orbit without needing the Lander, do some Star Wars/ Star Trek shit and then you'll have to fight your LICH eventually or sporadically. But nope. Took 2 years, man. 2 years. Edit: oh and Squadlink. Don't forget friggin' Squadlink.
It's clear that DE is doing what they feel like doing, they don't have a clear roadmap or any concern for what the playerbase wants and it's been this way since fortuna. I hope they figure it out before the game dies.
So I have an idea if you like it please thumbs this up! My idea is they should have weekly challenges of a random mission, and the mission needs to be hard like enemies starting off at level 100 hard! And every week there is rewards for how far you go! Idk what rewards should be given but weekly challenges that are hard could inspire a lot of team play and a lot of fun! Imagine all the different team comps and strategy’s that could be made each week!
Fortuna wasn't the last update to bring something fun for me, it was Jovian Concord. Disruption is fun, it does something new, and it yields kickass rewards, and it is centred on the core concepts of Warframe as being a high-octane looter-shooter where you have to keep your eye on the prize. Everything else has been content islands where nothing you do in them can really carry over into the base game.
I would like [DE] to wait and truly make next "big update" worth coming back into the game. It is shame that [DE] rushes it. I am even willing to wait half a year for absolutely gorgeous content to have fun play. And you know what ? I will wait. Because I trust that this game can do more then just what we see now. Please [DE], make the game good again.
It’s not that DE rushes content but they’re too ambitious. Like railjack, it’s been in the making for a long time but was always pushed to the side for other updates. When the time came to deliver it wasn’t ready but DE stood by their motto, release now and patch later. They need to restructure how updates are worked on.
I've heard that the reason the new updates come half baked is because they're diverting most of their resources to the big new war update. But I don't have any kind of confirmation on this
Man. the raids were so heavy on weird puzzles when all I wanted was a cool boss rush style mission where I can let my movement and weapons shine. Not as gimmicky as profit taker bosses but maybe like an eidolon style rush. I want my cool weapons to mean more.
I honestly havent had much motivation to play since Nightwave. Even when they're free, i HATE battlepass style systems. Even when they're as simple as getting XP, they're still annoying because it makes it feel like i HAVE to play the game, rather than playing because i WANT to. But in Warframe's case, it forces you to complete stupidly specific stuff like using gas damage even if you dont want to play in missions where gas will be effective. The worst part about many battle passes is forcing you into a specific playstyle.
My story with warframe started when i entered new school and one of the kids had a clan in warframe he helped me and some more people in my year to enter the game and have fun then every single person dropped off after finishing some dojo parts and warframes they wanted to make. i played after that alone and tried make myself a fisherman then hunting eidelons or something like that and then i realized that playing alone for so long everything stayed the same. warframe, warframe never changes....
"I was invited, but I declined because feedback falls on deaf ears" yeah... You're the biggest and most trustworthy WF creator I have come across in my month of playing the game, Flynn. By my math, your voice equates to 50 WF partners on Twitch. Please don't become a Datto, I really like you
Man I just started to play the game recently and after 2 weeks of grind I finally got my first prime which made me really happy. After watching a few tip videos I eventually came across these videos criticising the game because of its recent updates. As a new player it doesn’t effect me as much as it does to vets but it does really make me really sad to find out that the game is just going downwards in the last few updates. I hope in the near future warframe can lift itself back up because I really think this game is something special and me as a new player playing the game everyday for the past 2 weeks shows that.
Im really looking forward to the Corpus Update. They said it will be in the style of the Jupiter Rework Update, which was a really good update in my opinion.
This is why I'm glad you stuck around all this time as a warframe content creator. You're very respectful and ontop of that hit many topics that i think about and can agree with to bring more depth and fun into the game. Much respect for you iFlynn and much love.
There’s tons of better games out there. Warframe community isn’t that big and not even most of them watch his content only since there’s other content creators.
@@graaphics2119 Yeah there are others, but here is an example. Lets say you have a market thats open to eating red grapes that come from Texas. Thats a pretty small markert in the world. This is the Warframe community. A percentage of those people who buy our red grapes from Texas, like all of their grapes to have a round shape instead of the regular ovals, which are the majority. These are the hardcore Warframe players, us. An even smaller percentage of those people who buy the red, round grapes from Texas, like their grapes to be handpicked. This is his community, that watches his videos. If he loses lets say 90% of his community, just how many people do you think will remain that will support his living? Its a pretty niche community, and if he loses out on this, he can go down the drain basically, wasting years of hard work building his channel, working countless hours. Doesnt matter if he is a good content creator, he has a nice voice, a good personality, all down the drain, because he lost out on the people who buy our red, round, handpicked grapes from Texas.
@@birtalanlorant5572 I agree, if you start with warframe or hell one of the big ones pokemon and you say start not enjoying it your bound to lose those people they watched for Warframe not final fantasy or something like that sorry but if you start with a game and stick to like glue the way some due your bound to lose your viewer base trying to move on
I can relate to Lee O'Neill. I remember following your guides and in a sense your joy inspired me to get good. As of now I have stopped playing warframe... I hope that one day myself and lots of warframe veterans can return to the game and get inspired by content creators like you again. Creators that enjoy their platform.
My main problem with Kuva Lichs is they were a "left-over" of the Kingpin systems. A system that didn't work in the first place. If I could redesign from the ground up, I would put them has Bounties (say 5 diferent Lichs/weapons a week for you to choose from) from Pallamino. Pallamino would ALSO have Requiem Relics for you to get the "kill-mods" for those Lichs. Why? A new use for Iron Wake (which feels like a Mercenary camp) and Pallamino ALREADY exchanges Riven shards (also, it would follow a existing funtional system in the game, which is the Simaris Scan hunts). With Railjack the problem runs deeper. Redesign for me would mean putting Dry Docks in Relays, cuz why build a personnal ship with a clan if you then use it individually? Put Railjack Nodes (maybe connecting diferent Planets) in our EXISTING Railjack, and not in some other playing field. And furthermore, DIFERENT missions. I really like Archwing but Railjack is an abomination. Even if all bugs are fixed, the game mode is something really brutally underdeveloped. The ONLY redeeming factor it as is Intrinsics. Not the grind, or the branches, mind you. But the fact that you can earn experience just by playing... THAT I do like.
The video is great thanks for sharing. This is funny to me being a Destiny 1 through Destiny 2 player. I find Warframe a breath of fresh air being a new game to me. I feel content stagnates due to whatever globe pandemic or economic apocalypse. Just me - but finding something new and believe me it took me 2 weeks of looking to find a perfect fit for me. Sometimes a break is all we need cheers!
i havent played the game for about 2 years, once i completed all worlds, all quests, got a bunch of prime frames, maxed my operator, I found myself getting fairly bored. The first issue for me was the lack of end game content, i really love games that have the epitome of end game content being some form of boss or raid, Sorties was the closest it got, and even that wasn't much of a challenge. Second issue links with the first issue, and it was when i was progressing through the planets, it was fun to learn the forma system on weapons, and the missions were hard for the level I was at the time. Once you reach the end, and you are just 1 shotting anything in a 5000m radius with 1 ability or gun, it definitely took the fun out of it fast. That plus if i wanted to play online, everyone else was so obsessed with just trying to rush the mission, it felt like the game, and the community were forcing me into a version of the game i didn't like. Speedrunning everything.
i stopped playing after the first nightwave, 3400hours in total. Tbh i wish they built more on the core gameplayloop instead of stacking new mechanics on top of eachother. When i look at your footage here it takes me back to when orokin towers were the endgame. This is why i played warframe, fast fluid combat like no other game can offer. Not big open worlds, not space combat, just ground based combat against hordes of enemies.
Warframe needs not cosmetics, but a decent challenge where if you gain this item, youll NEED to use this item to actually help you, and if you don’t have it, the mission will be harder than you would normally do it with those items
When I got into the game a few years back I had to have someone explain to me for 2 hours on how to play the game. Its seriously frustrating that NOTHING is explained and that the "story" quest are not in order. Yes I can go to wikiwarframe but I dont want to do research, I want to play. I recently got back into it and after 322 hours I still dont know what the end goal is. I've just been around trying to raise my mastery rank but grinding xp starts getting boring. Also I use to main Ember and they changed her core mechanic of "put ulti on and run around".
I stopped playing Warframe about a year ago. I was thinking of going back today but when I came in there wasn't much that had really changed for me to stick around. That being said, if DE ever released a raid I would go back to Warframe without a shadow of a doubt
problem 1 i have been mindlessly farming scarlet credits but i only want like 4 arcanes and i really dont care abt the weapons they need to add better rewords for the vets problem 2 i would love to build a zaw or kitgun but im getting tired of grinding standing and looking for resources i never heard of
I few years back I found Warframe a free to play game that I would unwittingly dump an insane amount of hours into. I enjoyed the character designs, weapons, and what I didnt expect was a great community and devs that really cared about there game. I remember watching twitch streams and RUclips videos and diving into the community I found myself in. I remember telling all my friends about this great game I had found and how blown away I was with it's surprise story telling in second dream and all the lore I was eager to explore. The other day one of them asked me what happen to Warframe? And for some reason I got a little sad. I said I don't know.
@@saksham3329 ok but when is the game limited by purchasing smth. You can make plat pretty easy. like 90% you can farm and the rest you can buy with plat u get from trade chat. edit: minor grammar mistake
I started playing in 2013 and I haven’t played since 2017 - when they made that major change where they got rid of the Tower keys and made the game waay more grindy, full of BS and just wasn’t fun anymore (can’t remember the update.) Thinking about coming back and playing the game since It was so much fan playing. What do you guys think? How much has it changed since then?
Having just come off a two year long break from the game and having never heard of you as a Warframe content creator. You must be fairly new, not that that is a bad thing but it does show that the main points you’ve made in this whole video were still issues from before I left and I spent two and a half years playing before I quit. Fashion frame, Captura, and tennogen are still not content, but DE has consistently released it as “content” and stuff like that only serves its purpose to feed the masses of people who are just starting out and have a spare $5-$20 laying around to throw at the game. The kind of people DE really caters to are the kind of people who are extremely casual and fleeting when it comes to what games they play. You can see this across the industry as a whole because it has slowly become a place that really focuses in on the Asian market where it’s f2p but if someone spends $5 then they will make more off of the massive population than compared to the western market where someone will spend $60 and nothing else. Its why micro transactions have become more of a problem in the last 10yrs than they ever were before. If you look at the popularity of gacha games you’ll see that the same kinds of people play them as they do any other f2p game. DE has always had a problem with its hardcore and dedicated player base(a lot of other companies do this as well) because they are laser focused on getting new people in and what better way than to drop “flavor of the season” “content.” This is something that really started with Lunaro. You saw marketing for it all over the Xbox dashboard, it got people in but once they played a few games the mode was pretty much dead after two weeks. That’s what really kicked off the trend of releasing content, events or modes that they saw only a fraction of the community wanting so they rushed it out and it was released but shortly after nothing was done with it again. This happened again with Eidolon and Fortuna(I had left before then when sanctuary onslaught released). I haven’t really done much with Railjack or Empyrean but I can tell that once I’ve got all the rewards from it I can I won’t be doing much of it at all. In DE’s defense, they do have a ton of good ideas but half of them should never be acted upon and the number one thing they need to do is stop pushing fluff as actual content. There is enough in the game already to where they could stop pushing it for a year and instead focus on the gameplay of stuff like lunaro, Archwing and railjack and make it more fun and meaningful. Because as you said, most people don’t come to play dress up as that isn’t the primary means of having an enjoyable experience, most people come to play the game and experience the world that was created. Games should always be content and gameplay first, micro transactions and dress up last.
7 years ago I stopped playing warframe because it was only me and one other friend and we found other games that more people played. I recently redownloaded the game because a whole bunch of new friends want to play it again. Whether or not you continue to make content for warframe, thanks for all the guides you have been making because they’ve really helped so far with just understanding all of the changes that have happened.
“There’s so much to do, but none of it really matters.” Oh my god, is this a Destiny reference? I love crossovers. On the real, Warframe has been ass for the past 4-5 months and Destiny has been ass for the past season. These games have so many similar problems, it’s not even funny.
Couldn't agree more. Every point you made is 100% spot on. The cycle of releasing bad content like railjack then spending 2-3 years fixing it is not working.
iFlynn, for the most part I absolutely agree with your analysis of Warframe. But I think there is more going on behind the scenes with D.E., its owners, and commercial concerns going forward that is having an impact on the development of the game than we are aware of. Even so, none of the major criticism levelled at the game, and it's Devs are without foundation. Maybe it's time Digital Extremes came forward and have a full on discussion with everyone about where we are now and where we want to be, and how to get there.
"I'm tired of every vid from Warframe content creators being in the simulacrum." Then release some content that gives people a real reason to be out in the world. When the things they release the most are things like skins, accessories, warframes, and weapons, it's no surprise that when content creators want to show them off they're in the simulacrum. Because showing off all of those things doesn't require you to be in actual content. If they made new content that people actually wanted to play, they'd see more videos of it. But when you make stuff like railjack and scarlet spear, people are going to make vids of their first impressions of it being terrible, followed by some meme videos of it, followed by no more videos of it. It's pretty simple. Give people a reason to show off doing content, and they'll do it.
The use of the Simulacrum is a symptom of a bigger problem. Simulacrum videos are created because there is demand and the reason they are demanded is because Warframe lacks a tutorial. The Simulacrum is the best way to showcase the "hidden" mechanics that the game never explains. Mechanics as integral to game-play like the Damage System itself. The Simulacrum provides a place for players to learn about how crit and status work. Something as important as armor-class modifiers double dipping is not mentioned anywhere in the game except by conducting experiments. (It's the reason why Raw Viral does less damage than Raw Corrosive against Ferrite or Radiation against Alloy despite all of them having +75%) The codex only gives those + and - signs that sometimes mean 25% or 15%.
@@mightza3781 even moreso, the simulacrum is a place to showcase the new weapons and damage it can do against high level enemies in an instant, instead of doing a 3 hour survival to get to high levels just to find out the weapon sucks. There are no missions that i cant do on the whole starchart on my mr 8 account with less than a month playtime, and it makes the game feel so easy that its just not satisfying to play
DE Scott: Hates the Simulacrum DE: Releases a new one a week later. Classic DE. At this point it looks like even they dont know what's being released or fixed unless it's a nerf of course
@@mightza3781 This is also true. The mountain of information that you need to learn about those mechanics means people are always looking for that info, and ofc it's the perfect place to show them. It's just compounding the problem even more.
I just started a week ago. 4 hrs a day. I usually get matched with 1 or 2 people at 3000 hp/armor vs the fourth person and me at 200 hp/armor. They join my beginner missions (Earth) and literally fly through the mission always 200 to 1000 meters in front of us. They do 100 % of the work and me and the other beginner spend 5 minutes trying to catch up so we can maybe get 10 kills and 0 objectives. This is not any fun and I'm wondering if this is the whole game ?
Kinda but also no. In later game you will be on a more level playing field and can get the same amount of kills, more, but also less depending on if your teammate has a casual nuke frame like Saryn to clear entire maps, and if you use a more supportive frame or a more dps heavy frame. I hope you get more lowered level players and that those players were just there to quickly do a nightwave objective and be off to higher level content
With the recent event, i have felt burned out with a game, for the first time in my life. This is a problem as i was always fine with farming and rng and repetition. But scarlet spear, and the past major updates, was a buggy mess and was just so broken. Why should i play warframe when i can play titanfall 2, team fortress 2, rainbow six siege and many other games thag is worth my time. I hope i have the courage to go back to warframe because i love warframe and i dont wanna see it fall Also, im not a veteran and have very little arcanes but i cant bring myself to farm for it
It's different for everyone, but is it easy to understand stuff there? Can I just go in and I'll figure it out how thing works on the way or player needs to do his homework before even starting? I read somewhere that it's damn hard for newbs to understand the game.
@@sationas yeah it's not too new player friendly in terms of hand holding. A lot of the help comes from wikis, google, and the community. But as long as you can look past that, it's honestly a great game if you start and quite fun to learn all the different systems, frames, weapons, mods, etc. It's a bit time intensive but yeah definitely worth it imo
My thoughts. I discovered and started playing warframe about 2 months ago. I was surprised when I've found out that this game was released couple years ago and I didnt hear about it at all. When I started playing, I immediately loved the movement, guns, SWORDS. It makes you feel badass. So I started grinding for the frames and weapons I thought were cool. I hit mr14 within 3 weeks, I got about 6-7 prime warframes, custom weapons. The best content for me was Eidolon hunt, because it was somewhat challenging, especially solo tridolons. But then content stopped, because after 7-8 kuvas you start getting bored of that. There's no PvP, no raids, no bosses (no real bosses). It becomes too easy, and so I feel this game is great, but just as a movie needs good script to be loved, games need content and that's what's missing in Warframe.
Still remember seeing your guide on zaws and your other frame videos that helped me a lot, hope we really face these issues together, digital extremes and the fanbase
Hey iFlynn, I totally agree with you. I just began the game from about a month or 2 and i was grinding hard and spending lots of my time that I got mesa prime in just 2 weeks and finished the star chart and all quests. I am even in a huge clan and got lots of things and I just can't feel the good feeling when you achieve something you once desired from the beginning of the game. However DE doesn't even see our complains and although this game spent more time than Fortnite it still has bugs and glitches, while Fortnite doesn't. So I hope DE spend sometime listening to our complains and giving some interest. If DE listened to the warframe community this game will be a "Legend" and I assure that , because all of our desires will be in the game so we will want to get or achieve those things. Thank you iFlynn
The problem with this game is "alright, I've finally unlocked weapons and frames that i wanted to play, now what?" There's simply not enough content to piqued my interest after unlocking weapons that i think is fun.
Same here
So like all PvE games basically, it's not exclusive to this game. There are still various ways of playing the game, and like all games you can set challenges for yourself.
You don't need to have a new equipment or stats to raise to be able to log-in and play.
Look at what most people do with console games. Most are pretty linear games but players still come up with new ideas to play their game, assuming you really want to play.
And if you absolutely need new objectives set by the game itself, updates are still rolling, it's fine if at some point you feel like taking a break.
Then you come back when there's new stuff to try or more story, maps to explore.
@@STUVash Except that "most" PvE games are not loot based, and most of them are fun to play anyway with or without some loot. Sure you can set challenges for yourself, like no mods on weapons or warframes, but let's be honest here, when people click that launch button on steam, they want to play the game. They want to have fun, not set some challenges for themselves to complete.
exactly how i felt about titania prime
@@STUVash "You don't need to have a new equipment or stats to raise to be able to log-in and play.
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In a loot based game, where most of the incentive of playing is progression, yes you kind of do need those things.
Play warframe -> make videos detailing failings of DE -> stop playing warframe -> repeat
@BoxOfBloxy's or the hope of achieving Esports levels of skill...
Man 500 hours just to get crushed at Master Guardian 2.
BoxOfBloxy's CSGO has 1.3 Million players, whether its boring is subjective, people like competitive games
@BoxOfBloxy's CS:GO is played because there are really bored and/or boring "gamers" who get attracted to that game for some really strange reason. They could've at least chose a game that functions properly and that actually rewards you for sinking hundreds of hours into it, but I believe that's just their narcissism at play. I'm surprised no one has made a branch of psychology dedicated to studying CS:GO players. I'm telling you, we'd find out lots of super weird things about the human brain if psychologists studied them.
Can't make anyone happy.
@@zanesnep the reason csgo is so popular is because of competitive, Csgo has possibly the best competitive environment because the game is entirely skill based
What's the point of constructive criticism when they're not listening anyway?
I wanna know who is providing the constructive and non-constructive criticism, cause all I see is it all falling on deaf ears
Cagon415 exactly!
Currently de is in lot of trouble also I heard the game is going to mobile and gonna get cross play I don't if it's true but I will stick with game till end I love De and community a lot they helped me to grow lot and this game still has hopes sadily I play in Xbox
They are listening, go watch shy's new video
They are, lol u think u know everything
They really need to take a step back, play the game, take notes, hear the community and plan on fixing all of the systems and work on connection. I'm pretty sure a lot of us are willing to go through a content drought to get this game back into a playable and fun state. I'm holding out hope and optimism, Scott has a broad view but Shys podcast was the first time any DE dev sounded human to me. The devstream this week will address the state of the game so hopefully they touch on a majority of the concerns we have. I personally like railjack but wouldn't mind them remastering the old raids or adding new ones.
Nice perspective
Miss management is what they dealing with.
I originally fell in love with the game because of the magic space ninja esque gameplay, the speed and pace at which the movement system encourages. 4k hours later, I'm just about done. Once you get past a certain hour threshold in the game, everything is just devoid of challenge. There is literally no skill needed to play the game, which makes it pretty much unsuitable for streaming. IMHO the big problems of warframe are as follows (no particular order): feature creep, power creep, and incoherent systems. It's my belief that if they reworked the core gameplay systems of the game, they can breathe new life and generate player interest again in droves.
Agreed completely.
"They really need to take a step back, play the game, take notes, hear the community and plan on fixing all of the systems and work on connection"
Thanks for listing all the things DE is notorious for not doing.
As a founder, I can safely say they should have focused completely on bettering the base foundation of the game and probably Archwing, which was completely wasted.
Also no true direction for the game, as a game. It's not only one of the grindiest games I've ever seen since day 1, but it really lacks content past the grind being practically all the content. This game should have had direction instead of long, LONG breaks between anything Really Relevant.
Seriously, how many years has it been since? Also hoping the Excessive TennoGen isn't going to continue any further.
Yeah. Archwing. First time I saw it I was like oh this game is like Zone of the Enders... I was wrong. It never got there. It could get there but DE never came back to it. People just want same old same old. They hate change. If DE tries anything new, the player base just shoots it down.
My biggest issue and why I stopped playing the game was the fact that the game lacks any real difficulty or challenge, you either instantly melt everything or get 1 shot depending on your frame and mods. There's no inbetween. The powercreep has been insane and most frames are just way to strong even with half decent mods. Also the open world stuff that they seem to want to focus more on IMO has been the most boring content, it's just the same types of missions we do just in a big world where it takes longer to get to the objective.
completely agree, the core of the game is outdated.
@@ixiahj what do you mean players refused change, warframe changed immensely, it only changed badly.
@@ixiahj tennogen was going to happen even before this shitfest tennogen isnt the part of the problem since Tennogen isn't DE they're the community making skins
6:20 Chess is a game that is easy to learn but difficult to master. From a few simple rules and concepts emerges a deep game that requires immense strategy. Warframe is like the opposite of chess. It would benefit a lot from less breadth and more depth.
It is basically a chode
well theres lore depth, but they completely ignore that
"You are optimizing the fun out of the game by Min/Maxing" THANK YOU. Glad someone else said it. That's how I feel too.
They could've expanded on Stalker's story since The Second Dream was so good. Also, maybe we could help or cooperate with the Stalker without diminishing the game mechanic of Stalker marks and such.
We must work together tenno........BUT THAT DOESN'T MAKE US FRIENDS!!!
Or we end up doing a space mum and betray him
Hopefully this happens in the new war quests
@@starchild7473 or maybe it would become kind of like a rivalry design? Where yes, you do have to work together, but if you go power hungry and start slaying bosses all willy nilly, he is going to try and put you down and make you face penance
or maybe hear me out...Stalker could've been our nemesis rather than the stupid fucking kuva liches
“There’s a lot to do in Warframe but none of it really matters.”
*Datto has entered the chat*
I feel that. I haven't played warframe in like 2 years now and just wanted to check in on what was happening. It seems like it's got Destiny's problem but cranked up to 11. Before I stopped playing warframe I would just look at the director and not know what to do or even give a crap. It's so so grindy as well. It would take dozens of hours for me to even get started with new expansions like PoE or Fortuna and I still didn't understand what was going on half the time. I get this sounds like the grievances of a casual player, and you shouldn't cater solely to them *cough* D2Y1 *cough*, but still. If as non-super hardcore/content creator player I have to put in 20hours a week fishing and mining for the materials needed to buy weapon parts to then build and then level up and then forma 5 times - I can't do it. I won't. It's just not worth my time, even as fun as I found warframe. I don't see myself ever going back either. It just feels so bloated. I would be a million years behind (as if I wasn't even when I did play),what do I even have to catch up to - what's the point?
Yeah that dude take the phrase going the extra mile to a whole new level
@@SolidGoldHedgehog casual
@@veztras602 indeed
This week I've made the decision to walk away after 6 years on PS4. I've invested a lot, not just time & prime access but the PS4 community too. I've been a warlord in small clans, officer in moon clan, won the dojo comp with the pirate ship I built, helped hundreds of players.. but since Tennocon 18 the game has been going downhill. I've been staying only for the community but a vast amount of the community isn't playing, haven't been playing. The active people are new players and the last few remaining vets.
I feel bad for DE, I know they never wanted to deliver a bad product but that's what we've been getting.
I've been posting similar comments on the similar vids in the last few days hoping it might mean.. something. For all I've invested, walking away now means something.. to me.
Good luck to all 👍
I think everything started going wrong with the pseudo open worlds, they should've kept working on the solar system, make the missions better and less repetitive, add more replayability to them, make more planets, raids, endless missions, adding more value to clans and maybe make a larger player driven economy like eve online especially since trade is flourishing in warframe, also quests has been successful so they should've focused on them too, and finally events with an emphasis on lore and making them community driven and less grind in general, I think that it's too late now tho, the train already departed, they've already committed to things that shouldn't be in the game at all if they had a vision and if they understood that they should be more realistic with their ambitions, honestly if they wanted a full open world warframe with ship combat and space travel they should've just made warframe 2, the warframe we have now can't be open world.
Thats the thins they just keep throwing stuff like the pvp games, archwing, etc. And just let them there instead of polihing the stuff that is already in.
yeah. this is pretty much a good chunk of how I see it as well.
I think people forget the original warframe
Instead they release new boss then mob the floor with the face of that boss when you kill him for the 20th time first release day because you need all of the loot parts to drop
They literally kill the fun. Instead of remembering the boss fight as an epic battle it becomes a boring chore and a grind fest.
@@impoppy9145 so wtf Iam new to ps4 and downloaded the game still have 10 gb do u think i should stop or go for it ?
You know, after watching this video I realized something. Back in the day when something was messed up, I knew about it by experiencing it and then I'd do some research to see if it was common, if there was posts or tweets about dev awareness, possible fixes and so on. Eventually and pretty soon it'd be fine. There was always friction among the community but a post about "FIX IT DE!" or some variation of that wouldn't pop up once every 15mins in whatever platform. Now, there's so much wrong with this game it's nearly impossible to follow it all and seemingly there's a new one popping up angering more people by the hour. The worst part is, the devs are either playing deaf or they have lost the track themselves as well. Both of those possibilities are frightening to me. I guess I'll just observe where things will go from now on and see how DE is either going to be a hero or die a villian.
Thats deep man
I just started playing warframe last week, and I'm so into it now. This just makes me sad.
Kaiko Grindulo this is the same for me just started playing a few weeks ago and would hate to see a game I just got into die
Don't worry guys, it's fun for the first 6 months.
I started playing two months ago. You will enjoy the game for 2-3 months and then hit a wall and there won't be anything for you to do that matters. You will be stuck with doing majority of the activities alone cause no one wants to do that stuff anymore. Try to stay away frm Railjack quest btw. Its a massive resource sink to just build it and then you will get stuck on fourth mission cause your Railjack is trash and the upgrades cost an arm and a leg.
yeah all of this lack of gameplay etc usually starts in about MR14-16 so that still a lot of work
Guys the game is still a great amazing game. As a new player you will fall in love with it and probably play 500 + hours still. This is for the side of the veteran playera who really have nothing to do.
Also t4 survivals and t4 defenses were insanely fun back in the day! Me and my friends wanted to go as long as we could and farm those prime parts! But now prime farming is sooo lame! Like oh yea let me go farm a hijack mission and get lith keys then go farm the lith key 30 times and never get the part.... not to mention the key missions are sooo short and not challenging!!!! The only challenging part is rng! I miss the every 15 minutes on a t4 survival a rare drop was coming so you were actually invested in staying that extra 15 minutes and trying to keep life support up and making team comps that can last over an hour! That was true fun when warframe first came out!
Yes.. I remember that. This game was fucking fun. Get a squad, how much keys each one? Rotation abc? Prime parts, void. Void now is a another place but back in the days it was a special place. I always hatted the relics update, it killed the fun for prime grind.
Yeah now you get less rewards when doing survival, defence since you have to use a key every 5minutes/5waves. I wish DE would add in the AXI relics always a void mission
Theg made a huge mistake by adding relics imo.
The void key change was what killed the game for my friends. Literally it was our favorite tile set and we enjoyed it since enemies actually did damage. The moment the new system came out, my friends started dropping like flies.
PLZ PLZ HELP ME i love this game but when i put my password and spawn in the ship the game just exits plz help me
Was talking to a friend about this. It seems like looter shooters are hard to maintain their player base. Destiny. Division. Warframe. I personally feel we put too much hours into grinding these games as their depth is vast unlike other titles. Monster hunter for example which is vast. I think we need to also take a second game up or else we will burn out as many streamers as well as normal players have or else you see more videos explaining flaws in this game and people will jump on the bandwagon. I mean a lot of people still play these games; because casuals jump on when they can rather than people will all the time in the world. It’s a difficult one I feel to get right. Content is always the main point of everyone pep talk on these games but it doesn’t seem to be a easy thing to apply in games as well as fixing stuff and maintaining newer player to help expand their game.
by FAR the best comment on this entire thread!
I'm pretty sure even I have pointed out how dead inside u looked during ur streams vs a year prior so like... Doesn't take a wizard to see that.
I also am sceptical about recent transparency but hey, time will tell. And if DE really wants to change, then I for one won't sit here and make it harder for them to do so
It's depressing that I can put 25% the effort into this video that is just rambling about the game and get a 200% increase in views and I can poor my heart and soul into a review video for a different game and it gets 88% less views
@@xiFlynn ah yes. The good old gift & curse of the warframe community. We all know it. We all feel it. Still kinda fecked up and scary tho. But u should never allow that to be a measurement of ur own worth ok
Too much mashing up content just seems there is no proper roadmap and it's just a case slap this bit here and there with no coherence to it.
The game just doesn't flow, you can tell which bits were added in later
I agree on a lot of points with Flynn and what a lot of other community members have been saying recently. There a few where I disagree, or don't hear often enough.
1) Kuva Liches are too grindy. I disagree because once you start it and get through like two or three lichss it becomes pretty quick because you have a few extra requiem mods and you are able to guess the mods beforehand. I do agree that some of the rewards are very lackluster, like there a few weapons that are not worth it (Karak for example) but I think overall I enjoy the grind of that the most. You do different missions, your lich is somewhat different every time, and they can get fun little quirks you wouldn't expect. My biggest problem with Kuva Liches is that they're not really connected to anything else in the game beyond the War Within quest. If they mattered say for the New War (defeating Liches to recruit them for the fight, or the grineer utilizing their Kuva warriors against us or the sentients are a few ways they can instantly have more meaning in the game).
2) I personally enjoy the concept of railjack, having my own ship and destroying my enemies in it is super fun. However, the execution of rewards and narrative connection are very poor. You get rewards to make it easier to grind. Those aren't real rewards. They aren't meaningful. And the ship isn't meaningful beyond having your own ship because it really doesn't matter in Scarlet Spear because you just park it somewhere and board something else. The concept was cool but doesn't quite hit the mark in terms of incorporation.
3) Something I think people don't bring up enough is narrative connection or even the narrative in general. Railjack and Liches have no meaning. You could take them out of Warframe and make separate games out of them and no one would know they have anything to do with Warframe. Scarlet Spear feels like a paragraph of narrative when in reality it should be another chapter in the book of Warframe. The meaning isn't there and there is little connection for me to do the Murex raids. It's too repitive without good rewards and doesn't develop the story any further. I can't imagine a new player playing Scarlet Spear and having any clue as to what's going on or why it matters.
There are a lot of issues that Warframe has and those are just the tip of the iceberg. I really hope Warframe comes back around and deals with them because I do love the game. I love the story, so far, the gameplay loop is mostly enjoyable, I love the setting, it's got a lot of good things right, they just need to address all of the sour things on top of it.
I think the problem is that there are a lot of Vets and beginners and very few intermediate players. I'm at about 450 hours and I feel like I've barely scratched the surface at MR11. That being said I know the end is near because there is no true endgame content.
All they need to do is make it harder for vets to be able to one shot things . They need to release an expansion that is just for vets level 250+ content that you have to be geared up completely to do but that doesnt lock certain frames out (mirage too squishy lol) and then release tutorials that are accurate and made by warframe partners and content creators. After that they can focus on mainline story updates that dont multiply the grind by 40000%
I don’t think that making it harder for vets will solve anything. The reason for that is because everything DE does are for vets. For example, kuva lich and railjack. They were meant to be hard and still are. What they need to do to stop the vets from leaving is improving the base game. Stuff like the kuva lich is exactly what that means. It expands on the grind and farm nature of the base game. More of it is needed to improve and make the base as solid as possible so that they can focus on stuff like events, railjack, scarlet spear, etc....
15:42 Trying to develop a game for everyone is in my opinion almost impossible. No one can appeal to everyone. This is why a lot of people hated previous seasons of fortnite. Fortnite was so heavely based around skill it was merely impossible for new players to win. So they were doing a lot of decisions, that pissed off a lot of veterans. They made the game really rng. Seems familiar? But the difference is, that in DEs case it doesn't make sense.
How? they know vets will return on word of a substantial content drop, their main concern is to get new players past the 10hr mark to get them invested. Tho I disagree with DE, they’ve got some sort of direction of getting new players
@@mentra1 Fortnite devs were trying to balance their game, but veterans hated it. Devs were trying to create game, where everyone can win.
For DE grind is a content. Look at what a disaster kuva liches were. It is pure rng from spawning the lich, killing the lich, getting the weapon that you wanted to even the fucking stats on that weapon. The reason why this is such a problem is that after you finish the main questline you don't have nothing to do exept for grinding. That is the reason why endgame is important in warframe.
Not played since Plains, I miss the passion that was put into the game.
It's just lackluster now
I think they still care but are just lost.
Plains wasn't even good
ItzMatty 56 way better than fortuna
They both suck honestly
@@KarsonDaniel dat fortune song tough
Been playing Warframe for almost 2 years. It's in my rotation. I never got tired of it cause I don't play it regularly. People hated Scarlet Spear but it's the reason why I got into playing WF regularly again. Now I have maxed out Arcanes! It definitely changed how I play. Now, I'm building tons of Zaws and rounding out my Prime weapons. I love how regularly DE updates the game. Kinda is hard to catch up once you stop playing for months.
The Jovian Accord update was the best update they releaced since Fortuna imo. It was small, added a boss, a new warframe and chunk of weapons, updated an old tile set, and added a pretty fun game mode they expanded upon later.
But most importantly they added more to the core gameplay loop. Why, probably most of us, play Warframe.
Warframe is a game that is good in bursts, not in marathons I feel like. And no, that is not a good thing
once update lands, and u get stuff u want, its not worth playing ,because tehre isnt a place for those weapons to be pushed to the limit, steel path exists but its just enemy ehp increase, literally just ehp increase
As someone who fell out of Warframe, I really feel like the way they should take the game is expanding on the systems they have, not adding more.
So. Ive had this game installed on my ps4 for 5 years now, got in at the end of gate crash and the beginning of tubemen. The first three and a half years were great however the following was the start of a downward trend. The first thing which today is the best thing was the change from keys to relics for prime farming. It streamlined the prime grind to a extent turning what felt like a endless grind into a week of grinding, but at the same time killed the major reason to go to the void (luckily argons still exist huh?) Second the plains. Yes I was hyped as fuck for this, and yes I was there for hours on end but the only thing it was good for was enticing everyone to farm and buy more rivens in hopes they can make a "eidolon killer" and all that was left was the arcane grind. In essence unfortunately the same can be said about fortuna. Was hype, played for hours, grinded for new stuff, grinded for riv and mods to kill big thing faster continue brain dead grind for cosmetics and arcanes. At this point the only thing I had hope in was the overarching story that was going on. With the disappearance and inevitable betrayal I was really looking forward to what was coming next, but with the previous continuation with what is slowly looking like a redemption arc for the lotus which I'm willing to bet we will be saving her.......ugh. In essence the grind is nonsensical, bland, and irritating due to the constant introduction of new materials. The gameplay is getting bogged down due to how mindlessly you can play (in scarlet spear ground missions you can PRACTICALLY run it with a nova and limbo), and the story is slowly becoming more predictable.
“4:28 a lot to do in warframe but none of it matters”
How did both destiny and warframe fall into the same loop at the same time
*I wish they would bring back the old way to farm primes, Idk why they ever changed that*
One of the reasons that games like this release lots of assets during development downtime is because it's easy to do with very little development overhead from programming staff.
They have the artists and graphical designers employed, so they need to do something. Development staff is busy with Railjack Update, Scarlet Spear, etc.
For another example, I noticed this with DayZ Standalone. Programming was busy with fixing literally everything wrong with that game at the engine level. The artists were left to pushing out clothes, houses, and textures constantly because there was nothing else to do.
Just some info you might find interesting, not meant as an overall criticism of the video or anything. Keep up the great content!
While that's true I believe that it's different to come out and say "hey look what we have in development" and then to come out and say "hey look at this update that you are going to be getting" and then have one third of what was shown actually be available come launch / a year later.
@@xiFlynn Except for the fact liches had 3 years development time, and 2.5 years or so now for Railjack. Then they admit after launch they only worked on either diligently for a few months. Then Pikachu face hard when we react negatively to the results of their half assed half baked efforts.
They are stuck with what to do as a tile based hoard shooter they have run out of ideas which is why they try to push open world content so much. We wait and wait for these hugs drops and it gets devoured in a couple of weeks and you are back to square one wondering what the point of logging in is.
The game falls off massively when you run out of quests, not the grind to unlock frames, amps and arcanes behind standing but actual quests they shouldn't release a new frame if there isn't a quest to go along side it. It would be regular new content to keep us busy while we wait for the more major updates.
I agree with the quest point, the game was at its best when they were releasing quests regularly and many praised their quests and story
@@pneumonoultramicroscopicsi4065 there were trimonthly content droughts tho
This point is exactly what baffles me about both DE and a huge percentage of the playerbase being all ''lore and quests aren't important / nobody plays for that''. *_Yes, it's important._* Yes, we do play to feel like space ninjas and combat takes precedence; but part of feeling like a space ninja is the roleplay element of the storytelling, and without the lore and world-building the quests bring in, that element falls apart.
The game can't survive on *_just_* combat. It needs a narrative and a living, breathing world so that when the combat gets eventually and inevitably stale, the storytelling can pique the player's interest and keep them engaged.
@@galacticpotata8192 they should hire more devs than, their studio is clearly inadequate for the game they have.
I like railjack, when I saw the trailer for railjack that hooked me and the reason why I started playing warframe.
The problem with railjack is the same problem that plagues other contents in warframe, it has become its own independent island of grind.
I think the only way to fix this is make separate contents complementary to one another in terms of grinding and utility. For example.
In complementary grinding, Lich agents can spawn railjack missions and gives you murmur, kuva siphons too and gives kuva, railjack resources can spawn in star chart missions, POE and OOV resources can also be found on other places and you can even trade with each other. You get the idea, just do this on every content warframe has to offer.
In complementary utility, these are more interesting in my opinion. If railjack can be used as forward base of operation during a missions for example, you can bring it in any mission and go to railjack and swap warframes, reload gears, fix and revive companions, you can even save progress while going to your railjack during endurance missions and come back later. Oplink can also be used as means to call in back up in a middle of a mission or create contracts to recover your body and loot if you fail horribly and die. K-drive should be used on regular missions and dojo, they should add pathfinding to it for ease of use. Just about any idea that takes just a little bit of resources but makes the game more interconnected and cohesive will do.
I think these are the features that DE should work on or something towards that line.
A few years ago, right after railjack and the new open world map were teased, I stopped playing unintentionally due to losing internet and some other life stuff. The whole time I felt excited for the day I'd come back to a mountain of new content.
Came back about a month ago, and can't help but feel completely dissapointed.
The first things I did were grind for Mesa and equinox prime because they didn't exist when I last played. Started to get used to the game again, got excited about builds, wanted to try out railjack and see the new open world.
But now I every time I log on I just feel like... Meh. There's not much worth doing. I don't see a grind that leads to anything cool I want and don't already have. My old buddies don't play. I don't get any satisfaction from doing almost any content. Feels bad :(
I stopped playing almost 4 years ago... Seeing your video, it is probably still not worth coming back
The grind was killing me and I had college work to do as well.
every time there's something new in WF, it includes a grind. At least the newest Ops stuff isn't THAT grindy, it's still grindy.
At least its not as grindy as Trove
@@MICROKNIGHT3000 it is actually more grindy than trove.
I agree especially how they saying that khora's venari can heal objectives is an exploit. They dont even realise that they put it in as a tip themselves
100% agree on the fashion part. Nowadays people are investing into fashion even though that's in warframe that is not the point but DE dont get that. They are doing whatever they can to make people still play the game
Anyone else staring at the wisp gameplay ( 'gameplay' ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) ) thinking how the hell is iflynn hitting all these dope af shots?
Like he said, iflynn has 5k hours on his main pc account. Hence the dope af shots 🕺
i was thinking the same thing XD
Just L2aim
the dope shots and dat wisp ass ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
I can't even tell what's going on lol. My friends kept telling to get me to play WF but the look of this game always bugged me.
For me in this state of affairs it has become a grind to get godly weps but then you don't really have any fun content to run with those godly weps. So it's a grind to get weapons to use those to get better weapons lol once I had almost all the kuva lich guns I didn't feel the need to use them in missions because you could easily try out worse guns and do fine in end game missions. Everything dies pretty easily by fully modded weapons at lvl 100 and below anyways. Unless you are into those endurance runs, there's nothing to really spend your time doing with the unlocked weapons you get.
we as a community will get through this...anyone reading this please dont lose hope on warframe
The DE I remember from 2013 is not the same DE we have in 2020 its almost as if they view us as enemies, so they keep barreling on with their "vision" and that vision does not coincide with what the players want most of which just comes completely out of left field while leaving us scratching our heads going "wait.... what?.... why?".
I know you mentioned the liches being the best update recently for you but I would argue that the gas city rework was arguably better since it didn't break anything, add yet another really insane grind fest, and we got a pretty fun mission type out of it.... also Wisp.
If Scott keeps his word and reworks a lot of the old systems that have been left stagnate in the game most of which we refuse to touch either due to them being stupidly broken or not worth playing because they are boring/grindy, then that may reinvigorate players to come back and play content that already exist, and not have us waiting for new content to be developed for a lengthy period that for the most part has missed the mark by a long shot.
DE also needs to do away with the concept of huge grind slogs and time gates just to buy them development time, if you make game modes interesting and fun to replay players will keep playing them just for the hell of it... raids, the old T3/4 endurance void runs, disruption just to name a few are good examples of that and those can buy them the time they need to make new content that isn't half assed or phenomenally broken out the gate.
The fun died for me when they removed the classic raids since it was fun to learn how to do them smooth together with a team. I know that they put in eidolons to replace it, but ever since I started playing again it feels like eidolon hunting is a super big grind to even get into since I need AMPs, specific builds etc etc. I feel like the barrier of entry to the classical raids way more. I do think liches are an interesting addition, but I'd like to dismiss a lich if I accidentally created one I didn't want or if I get bored of it stealing all my stuff while I don't feel like hunting it down.
Warframe peaked at the second dream. It all went downhill from there.
I'm a bit late to this Party, but I wanna say something.
After watching these aforementioned Discussions with DE Scott I was optimistic. There was a sense of Oh-Sh*t Mode finally being activated at DE.
However, your points about what Warframe has become / is becoming hit the mark precisely:
I don't care much about Railjack, but it was good to hear, they're fixing it. But what else is coming?
Nightwave, Deadlock Protocol and then what? Duviri? I'm not interested in that either.
I get that WF is a Power Fantasy. Does that mean Content mustn't be hard to complete? No! Just give us the Guy, who is a Power Fantasy compared to us as a Fight or whatever.
Let us test limits of our Builds and Skills.
That is all. Thank you.
To late at all.
I think DE should just stop making new content and start fixing the broken one. Like No man's sky but where there is more broken content. I mean, railjack has a really big potential, lich system is really interesting.
I'd love a infinite sorties
Like the enemies keep scaling and so do the rewards
And the longer you go the more restrictions and the more challenging they are like maybe spy with no invisibility, or extermination with insane armor. Then you have to change your strat, like hmm can't use ivara so I'll use Loki and teleport around, or hmm these enemies have tons of armor I should bring ash with seeking.
It like be so quick to implement and it could be a good way to make grinding rivens more interesting or having a challenge
I just want them to make it “easier” to understand what needs to be done and where. I don’t know how many times I’m constantly looking up videos of where and how to get things because I update the game, load it and we’ll there it is... DE basically says “have at it”
Maybe a system in place where players can go in game and look up mods, or resources without relying on outside sources to understand how to do things or where to farm things.
Players like that often just imitate those who they watch rather then making up something all their own. Because they don’t know any better
I think they did a really good job at improving gameplay. Gameplay is now much much smoother like the melee 3.0 so you can shoot melee shoot melee in fast combo's, but the problem is that what you do with that there is not a profitable, hard, rewarding content for players that have pretty much everything unlocked and that's the problem. My opinion :)
It’s times like these that I remember that I have most fun in warframe when I play and do missions with low ranked weapons, slowly ranking up and modding them until they’re strong enough to get me through the missions I’d otherwise breeze through with my better, more powerful weapons.
Before I watch the video, I've been playing warframe a bunch lately after a few years, I never got really far originally. But I have been having tons of fun!
Dont let criticizism ruin your experience for the game
that lee message was exactly how i was feeling mate you inspired me to give warframe a go i dont regret that but i do miss the old enthusiastic iflynn thanks mate
19:05 This is so true Warframe basically already has all the ingredients in the game to make really good content people would love to play, they have cool looking environments and tilesets, all kinds off cool enemies, a base gameplay with the warframes and weapons that people really like so why don't capitalize and build more on those strengths instead of always trying to reinvent the wheel? Make some new challenging more high level star chart planets with new cool bosses or challenging Raids i don't get what their problem is why they can't just go for obvious content expansions people will enjoy for sure at least every now and than. This game is like 7 years old and still has next to no sustainable content in the game that is build to give all the powers you collected and the builds you made a purpose content more focused towards experienced players. How can you make a rpg like online game and ignoring the late game aspects of your game for almost a full decade?
I genuinely feel like DE have the potential for an AMAZING game. The concepts behind this game is what has drawn me in to it (as well as iFlynns enthusiastic beginner videos 😜) but the core problem (as stated in the video) is the lack of challenging content to work towards and all the bugs/prematurely released content. There is also a big disconnection between all the events and content. It feels pointless doing certain things because it literally makes no difference in other areas. Like what’s the point in getting a riven for an already OP weapon when you can destroy everything in the game without one. Overall I think DE need an overhaul where they fix the content that’s already there and work on improving what’s in the game rather than ignoring it and making new content. Love the video tho iFlynn ❤️ really Hope DE make the game worthwhile so content creators like you can continue to make content willingly rather than it feeling like a chore/grind
I've recently started playing Warframe but due my gain in free time I have clocked almost 200 hours in the last 3 weeks and I am starting to feel the lack of end game content, the Kuva Lich's are fun for a bit but with these new powerful weapons I'm struggling to find things to do. I would use them to hunt Eidolons but why would I bother when I can do 5 runs of scarlet spear and get a fully upgraded arcane. I've been a hardcore destiny player since release in 2014 and have clocked almost 2000 hours in both games and I have pre purchased almost all the DLC and have been let down almost every time and in march I just had enough and stopped playing destiny and picked up Warframe with my friends instead and I am really enjoying it for now but I am starting to run out of content, I get that it is a FTP game so they need to get people coming back but the reliance on RnG in Warframe is one of my gripes, I'll use riven mods as an example. I do the Sortie every day and I find the rewards on that are all over the place, I have had 6 ayatan sculptures in a row and I'm not complaining at the endo but I wish there was a more specific way of getting rivens, yes I know you can farm slivers from requiem relics but that can only be done when you have end game level mods, like rivens. The last riven I got from the Sortie was one for a zaw which require you to have a decent rank with cetus to get a semi decent one and even then I had and still have no intention of getting a zaw when there are far better melee weapons like Galatine and Gram prime so I have a useless riven that I may as well turn into endo. The only riven I have for a weapon I actually use is one I brought off of someone on the market. I'm used to praying to RnJesus from playing destiny but at least the system felt like I could have a good idea of what I would actually get but with the riven I could get could be for any weapon that can only be used on some or all of its variants and the fact you are never guaranteed a riven and that it could be for any weapon in the game which it or the riven could be MR locked is incredibly off putting in my opinion. I am not a long time player so my opinion doesn't carry as much weight but I can see the issues with the game which can be rectified but the just have to listen to player. Bringing destiny back up, they send out a survey to all of the lapsed players to ask them why they stopped playing, they are actively seeking out feedback from people who have played the game but no longer do. I think there is a lot that DE could learn from Bungie. Sorry for the long comment
By the time I'm commenting this, Railjack revisited part 1: Update 27.4 has been out for 10 days and Update 27.4.4 for 3 days. There's still no way to extract from a railjack mission if the host decides to go on starting new ones, unless they are kind enough to listen and go to the Dry Dock. Forced to abort mission to get out, which literally erases all the progress rewards from the Last Mission Results. Blows my mind, unnerving, even if I have my stuff in the inventory, doesn't feel secure at all to play that mode.
I think leyou is why they're more focused on fashion frame
OMEGA I mean even if that’s the case and they somehow pull a bungie, do you think that would help? I used to think so but even bungie is back having trouble with their community right now and ppl are quitting the game bc their devs aren’t listening either.
@@doootheytho9821 right now with bungie its a quantity over quality problem which is also the same problem with DE atm think about it were no longer receiving a content drought but the updates are shit
@@doootheytho9821 i'm not saying DE isn't at fault because they definetely could do more but with bungue i'm pretty sure all the main or most of the main devs left
It hurt when I got to the Railjack part in the video. I thought that Railjack was supposed to connect everything in WF: get into the open world area, call down your 'Jack, fly into orbit without needing the Lander, do some Star Wars/ Star Trek shit and then you'll have to fight your LICH eventually or sporadically. But nope. Took 2 years, man. 2 years.
Edit: oh and Squadlink. Don't forget friggin' Squadlink.
It's clear that DE is doing what they feel like doing, they don't have a clear roadmap or any concern for what the playerbase wants and it's been this way since fortuna. I hope they figure it out before the game dies.
So I have an idea if you like it please thumbs this up! My idea is they should have weekly challenges of a random mission, and the mission needs to be hard like enemies starting off at level 100 hard! And every week there is rewards for how far you go! Idk what rewards should be given but weekly challenges that are hard could inspire a lot of team play and a lot of fun! Imagine all the different team comps and strategy’s that could be made each week!
Displaying your northern Irish pride I see
Crabosity is he from there tho?
@@MattTheWaffle He is, yes.
Fortuna wasn't the last update to bring something fun for me, it was Jovian Concord. Disruption is fun, it does something new, and it yields kickass rewards, and it is centred on the core concepts of Warframe as being a high-octane looter-shooter where you have to keep your eye on the prize. Everything else has been content islands where nothing you do in them can really carry over into the base game.
I would like [DE] to wait and truly make next "big update" worth coming back into the game.
It is shame that [DE] rushes it.
I am even willing to wait half a year for absolutely gorgeous content to have fun play.
And you know what ? I will wait. Because I trust that this game can do more then just what we see now. Please [DE], make the game good again.
It’s not that DE rushes content but they’re too ambitious. Like railjack, it’s been in the making for a long time but was always pushed to the side for other updates. When the time came to deliver it wasn’t ready but DE stood by their motto, release now and patch later. They need to restructure how updates are worked on.
I've heard that the reason the new updates come half baked is because they're diverting most of their resources to the big new war update.
But I don't have any kind of confirmation on this
Man. the raids were so heavy on weird puzzles when all I wanted was a cool boss rush style mission where I can let my movement and weapons shine. Not as gimmicky as profit taker bosses but maybe like an eidolon style rush. I want my cool weapons to mean more.
"how can we fix it?" - Dragons. The answer is always dragons. If you can write up a guide for bahamut challenge that would be great. 😁
Yes i want a raid with a big orokin dragon as boss i don't care if the lore won't work i wanted that since i started playing
@@LidanLive you don't have a dragon but you have a flying eidolon with a bugg zapper to kill it 😂😂
i mean speaking of dragons check out the duviri paradox trailer and that huge thing flying there, might aswell call it a dragon eh ;)
...Can we ride them?
Naw...pirates. Everything is better with pirates.
I honestly havent had much motivation to play since Nightwave.
Even when they're free, i HATE battlepass style systems. Even when they're as simple as getting XP, they're still annoying because it makes it feel like i HAVE to play the game, rather than playing because i WANT to. But in Warframe's case, it forces you to complete stupidly specific stuff like using gas damage even if you dont want to play in missions where gas will be effective. The worst part about many battle passes is forcing you into a specific playstyle.
I just want a crazy survival that throws everything at you and almost impossible ..with a big reward at 60 minutes 👍
My story with warframe started when i entered new school and one of the kids had a clan in warframe he helped me and some more people in my year to enter the game and have fun then every single person dropped off after finishing some dojo parts and warframes they wanted to make. i played after that alone and tried make myself a fisherman then hunting eidelons or something like that and then i realized that playing alone for so long everything stayed the same. warframe, warframe never changes....
"I was invited, but I declined because feedback falls on deaf ears" yeah... You're the biggest and most trustworthy WF creator I have come across in my month of playing the game, Flynn. By my math, your voice equates to 50 WF partners on Twitch. Please don't become a Datto, I really like you
Man I just started to play the game recently and after 2 weeks of grind I finally got my first prime which made me really happy. After watching a few tip videos I eventually came across these videos criticising the game because of its recent updates. As a new player it doesn’t effect me as much as it does to vets but it does really make me really sad to find out that the game is just going downwards in the last few updates. I hope in the near future warframe can lift itself back up because I really think this game is something special and me as a new player playing the game everyday for the past 2 weeks shows that.
Im really looking forward to the Corpus Update.
They said it will be in the style of the Jupiter Rework Update, which was a really good update in my opinion.
Knicklichtjedi Gaming me to
This is why I'm glad you stuck around all this time as a warframe content creator. You're very respectful and ontop of that hit many topics that i think about and can agree with to bring more depth and fun into the game. Much respect for you iFlynn and much love.
Im sorry you cant just get away from warframe without losing a large chunk of viewers and thus income.
There’s tons of better games out there. Warframe community isn’t that big and not even most of them watch his content only since there’s other content creators.
@@graaphics2119 Yeah there are others, but here is an example. Lets say you have a market thats open to eating red grapes that come from Texas. Thats a pretty small markert in the world. This is the Warframe community. A percentage of those people who buy our red grapes from Texas, like all of their grapes to have a round shape instead of the regular ovals, which are the majority. These are the hardcore Warframe players, us. An even smaller percentage of those people who buy the red, round grapes from Texas, like their grapes to be handpicked. This is his community, that watches his videos. If he loses lets say 90% of his community, just how many people do you think will remain that will support his living? Its a pretty niche community, and if he loses out on this, he can go down the drain basically, wasting years of hard work building his channel, working countless hours. Doesnt matter if he is a good content creator, he has a nice voice, a good personality, all down the drain, because he lost out on the people who buy our red, round, handpicked grapes from Texas.
@@birtalanlorant5572 I agree, if you start with warframe or hell one of the big ones pokemon and you say start not enjoying it your bound to lose those people they watched for Warframe not final fantasy or something like that sorry but if you start with a game and stick to like glue the way some due your bound to lose your viewer base trying to move on
I can relate to Lee O'Neill. I remember following your guides and in a sense your joy inspired me to get good. As of now I have stopped playing warframe... I hope that one day myself and lots of warframe veterans can return to the game and get inspired by content creators like you again. Creators that enjoy their platform.
Imagine being the one who coded these updates and your work just gets pooped on that sucks that the ideas just weren’t that good to begin with
Cant please every1. But I agree right now we need to wait until they finish with things in this year
My main problem with Kuva Lichs is they were a "left-over" of the Kingpin systems. A system that didn't work in the first place. If I could redesign from the ground up, I would put them has Bounties (say 5 diferent Lichs/weapons a week for you to choose from) from Pallamino. Pallamino would ALSO have Requiem Relics for you to get the "kill-mods" for those Lichs. Why? A new use for Iron Wake (which feels like a Mercenary camp) and Pallamino ALREADY exchanges Riven shards (also, it would follow a existing funtional system in the game, which is the Simaris Scan hunts).
With Railjack the problem runs deeper. Redesign for me would mean putting Dry Docks in Relays, cuz why build a personnal ship with a clan if you then use it individually? Put Railjack Nodes (maybe connecting diferent Planets) in our EXISTING Railjack, and not in some other playing field. And furthermore, DIFERENT missions. I really like Archwing but Railjack is an abomination. Even if all bugs are fixed, the game mode is something really brutally underdeveloped. The ONLY redeeming factor it as is Intrinsics. Not the grind, or the branches, mind you. But the fact that you can earn experience just by playing... THAT I do like.
The video is great thanks for sharing. This is funny to me being a Destiny 1 through Destiny 2 player. I find Warframe a breath of fresh air being a new game to me. I feel content stagnates due to whatever globe pandemic or economic apocalypse. Just me - but finding something new and believe me it took me 2 weeks of looking to find a perfect fit for me. Sometimes a break is all we need cheers!
i havent played the game for about 2 years, once i completed all worlds, all quests, got a bunch of prime frames, maxed my operator, I found myself getting fairly bored.
The first issue for me was the lack of end game content, i really love games that have the epitome of end game content being some form of boss or raid, Sorties was the closest it got, and even that wasn't much of a challenge.
Second issue links with the first issue, and it was when i was progressing through the planets, it was fun to learn the forma system on weapons, and the missions were hard for the level I was at the time. Once you reach the end, and you are just 1 shotting anything in a 5000m radius with 1 ability or gun, it definitely took the fun out of it fast. That plus if i wanted to play online, everyone else was so obsessed with just trying to rush the mission, it felt like the game, and the community were forcing me into a version of the game i didn't like. Speedrunning everything.
i stopped playing after the first nightwave, 3400hours in total. Tbh i wish they built more on the core gameplayloop instead of stacking new mechanics on top of eachother. When i look at your footage here it takes me back to when orokin towers were the endgame. This is why i played warframe, fast fluid combat like no other game can offer. Not big open worlds, not space combat, just ground based combat against hordes of enemies.
Warframe needs not cosmetics, but a decent challenge where if you gain this item, youll NEED to use this item to actually help you, and if you don’t have it, the mission will be harder than you would normally do it with those items
When I got into the game a few years back I had to have someone explain to me for 2 hours on how to play the game. Its seriously frustrating that NOTHING is explained and that the "story" quest are not in order. Yes I can go to wikiwarframe but I dont want to do research, I want to play.
I recently got back into it and after 322 hours I still dont know what the end goal is. I've just been around trying to raise my mastery rank but grinding xp starts getting boring.
Also I use to main Ember and they changed her core mechanic of "put ulti on and run around".
I stopped playing Warframe about a year ago. I was thinking of going back today but when I came in there wasn't much that had really changed for me to stick around. That being said, if DE ever released a raid I would go back to Warframe without a shadow of a doubt
problem 1 i have been mindlessly farming scarlet credits but i only want like 4 arcanes and i really dont care abt the weapons they need to add better rewords for the vets problem 2 i would love to build a zaw or kitgun but im getting tired of grinding standing and looking for resources i never heard of
plains and Fortuna standing is way easier than it was at launch my dude, just saying. also getting the resources shouldn't be grindy for that matter
I few years back I found Warframe a free to play game that I would unwittingly dump an insane amount of hours into. I enjoyed the character designs, weapons, and what I didnt expect was a great community and devs that really cared about there game. I remember watching twitch streams and RUclips videos and diving into the community I found myself in. I remember telling all my friends about this great game I had found and how blown away I was with it's surprise story telling in second dream and all the lore I was eager to explore. The other day one of them asked me what happen to Warframe? And for some reason I got a little sad. I said I don't know.
DE turned into another Triple A developer. Saw how much money they could make and never stopped beating that cash cow since
not defending the updates, but how...
@@dudcom3739 I don't remember clearly but they make about 200+ million dollars a year and that's alot...
tbh, I think it's a lot more to do with them being too fuking lazy then trying to cash harder....
Thats because they are owned by other company now, I could be wrong tho
@@saksham3329 ok but when is the game limited by purchasing smth. You can make plat pretty easy. like 90% you can farm and the rest you can buy with plat u get from trade chat.
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I started playing in 2013 and I haven’t played since 2017 - when they made that major change where they got rid of the Tower keys and made the game waay more grindy, full of BS and just wasn’t fun anymore (can’t remember the update.)
Thinking about coming back and playing the game since It was so much fan playing. What do you guys think? How much has it changed since then?
Having just come off a two year long break from the game and having never heard of you as a Warframe content creator. You must be fairly new, not that that is a bad thing but it does show that the main points you’ve made in this whole video were still issues from before I left and I spent two and a half years playing before I quit. Fashion frame, Captura, and tennogen are still not content, but DE has consistently released it as “content” and stuff like that only serves its purpose to feed the masses of people who are just starting out and have a spare $5-$20 laying around to throw at the game. The kind of people DE really caters to are the kind of people who are extremely casual and fleeting when it comes to what games they play. You can see this across the industry as a whole because it has slowly become a place that really focuses in on the Asian market where it’s f2p but if someone spends $5 then they will make more off of the massive population than compared to the western market where someone will spend $60 and nothing else. Its why micro transactions have become more of a problem in the last 10yrs than they ever were before. If you look at the popularity of gacha games you’ll see that the same kinds of people play them as they do any other f2p game.
DE has always had a problem with its hardcore and dedicated player base(a lot of other companies do this as well) because they are laser focused on getting new people in and what better way than to drop “flavor of the season” “content.” This is something that really started with Lunaro. You saw marketing for it all over the Xbox dashboard, it got people in but once they played a few games the mode was pretty much dead after two weeks. That’s what really kicked off the trend of releasing content, events or modes that they saw only a fraction of the community wanting so they rushed it out and it was released but shortly after nothing was done with it again. This happened again with Eidolon and Fortuna(I had left before then when sanctuary onslaught released). I haven’t really done much with Railjack or Empyrean but I can tell that once I’ve got all the rewards from it I can I won’t be doing much of it at all.
In DE’s defense, they do have a ton of good ideas but half of them should never be acted upon and the number one thing they need to do is stop pushing fluff as actual content. There is enough in the game already to where they could stop pushing it for a year and instead focus on the gameplay of stuff like lunaro, Archwing and railjack and make it more fun and meaningful. Because as you said, most people don’t come to play dress up as that isn’t the primary means of having an enjoyable experience, most people come to play the game and experience the world that was created. Games should always be content and gameplay first, micro transactions and dress up last.
7 years ago I stopped playing warframe because it was only me and one other friend and we found other games that more people played. I recently redownloaded the game because a whole bunch of new friends want to play it again. Whether or not you continue to make content for warframe, thanks for all the guides you have been making because they’ve really helped so far with just understanding all of the changes that have happened.
“There’s so much to do, but none of it really matters.” Oh my god, is this a Destiny reference? I love crossovers. On the real, Warframe has been ass for the past 4-5 months and Destiny has been ass for the past season. These games have so many similar problems, it’s not even funny.
Couldn't agree more. Every point you made is 100% spot on. The cycle of releasing bad content like railjack then spending 2-3 years fixing it is not working.
Warframe needs to move away from player hosted instances. If this was all run server-side, it would be far easier to implement larger scale events.
iFlynn, for the most part I absolutely agree with your analysis of Warframe.
But I think there is more going on behind the scenes with D.E., its owners, and commercial concerns going forward that is having an impact on the development of the game than we are aware of.
Even so, none of the major criticism levelled at the game, and it's Devs are without foundation.
Maybe it's time Digital Extremes came forward and have a full on discussion with everyone about where we are now and where we want to be, and how to get there.
Still just running around my ship... selling parts...
This (vid) will reverberate throughout the DE / WF Universe...
"I'm tired of every vid from Warframe content creators being in the simulacrum."
Then release some content that gives people a real reason to be out in the world.
When the things they release the most are things like skins, accessories, warframes, and weapons, it's no surprise that when content creators want to show them off they're in the simulacrum. Because showing off all of those things doesn't require you to be in actual content. If they made new content that people actually wanted to play, they'd see more videos of it. But when you make stuff like railjack and scarlet spear, people are going to make vids of their first impressions of it being terrible, followed by some meme videos of it, followed by no more videos of it.
It's pretty simple. Give people a reason to show off doing content, and they'll do it.
The use of the Simulacrum is a symptom of a bigger problem. Simulacrum videos are created because there is demand and the reason they are demanded is because Warframe lacks a tutorial. The Simulacrum is the best way to showcase the "hidden" mechanics that the game never explains. Mechanics as integral to game-play like the Damage System itself. The Simulacrum provides a place for players to learn about how crit and status work. Something as important as armor-class modifiers double dipping is not mentioned anywhere in the game except by conducting experiments. (It's the reason why Raw Viral does less damage than Raw Corrosive against Ferrite or Radiation against Alloy despite all of them having +75%) The codex only gives those + and - signs that sometimes mean 25% or 15%.
@@mightza3781 even moreso, the simulacrum is a place to showcase the new weapons and damage it can do against high level enemies in an instant, instead of doing a 3 hour survival to get to high levels just to find out the weapon sucks. There are no missions that i cant do on the whole starchart on my mr 8 account with less than a month playtime, and it makes the game feel so easy that its just not satisfying to play
DE Scott: Hates the Simulacrum
DE: Releases a new one a week later. Classic DE. At this point it looks like even they dont know what's being released or fixed unless it's a nerf of course
@@mightza3781 This is also true. The mountain of information that you need to learn about those mechanics means people are always looking for that info, and ofc it's the perfect place to show them. It's just compounding the problem even more.
I just started a week ago. 4 hrs a day. I usually get matched with 1 or 2 people at 3000 hp/armor vs the fourth person and me at 200 hp/armor. They join my beginner missions (Earth) and literally fly through the mission always 200 to 1000 meters in front of us. They do 100 % of the work and me and the other beginner spend 5 minutes trying to catch up so we can maybe get 10 kills and 0 objectives. This is not any fun and I'm wondering if this is the whole game ?
Well for void fissure missions yes because everyone at any level will be farming them but every other mission i would say do solo or with a friend
Kinda but also no. In later game you will be on a more level playing field and can get the same amount of kills, more, but also less depending on if your teammate has a casual nuke frame like Saryn to clear entire maps, and if you use a more supportive frame or a more dps heavy frame. I hope you get more lowered level players and that those players were just there to quickly do a nightwave objective and be off to higher level content
With the recent event, i have felt burned out with a game, for the first time in my life. This is a problem as i was always fine with farming and rng and repetition. But scarlet spear, and the past major updates, was a buggy mess and was just so broken. Why should i play warframe when i can play titanfall 2, team fortress 2, rainbow six siege and many other games thag is worth my time. I hope i have the courage to go back to warframe because i love warframe and i dont wanna see it fall
Also, im not a veteran and have very little arcanes but i cant bring myself to farm for it
tf2 isnt worth your time if you always got koth on 2fort or turbine
Hell even MMORPGs like Final Fantasy XIV have no problem keeping people playing.
i mean i just got the game a few days ago and ive been digging your beginners guides and im loving it...
It's different for everyone, but is it easy to understand stuff there? Can I just go in and I'll figure it out how thing works on the way or player needs to do his homework before even starting? I read somewhere that it's damn hard for newbs to understand the game.
@@sationas yeah it's not too new player friendly in terms of hand holding. A lot of the help comes from wikis, google, and the community. But as long as you can look past that, it's honestly a great game if you start and quite fun to learn all the different systems, frames, weapons, mods, etc. It's a bit time intensive but yeah definitely worth it imo
the game died when the "keys" transitioned to RELICS. Change my mind
I dont mind relics they are a bit more convenient, though keys would be nice for other content maybe
I am surprised they never added back in a fourth starter choice after they took Loki out of that selection.
My thoughts. I discovered and started playing warframe about 2 months ago. I was surprised when I've found out that this game was released couple years ago and I didnt hear about it at all. When I started playing, I immediately loved the movement, guns, SWORDS. It makes you feel badass. So I started grinding for the frames and weapons I thought were cool. I hit mr14 within 3 weeks, I got about 6-7 prime warframes, custom weapons. The best content for me was Eidolon hunt, because it was somewhat challenging, especially solo tridolons. But then content stopped, because after 7-8 kuvas you start getting bored of that. There's no PvP, no raids, no bosses (no real bosses). It becomes too easy, and so I feel this game is great, but just as a movie needs good script to be loved, games need content and that's what's missing in Warframe.
5:27 that's why we have the Grendel farm turn us back to noobs again xD
Still remember seeing your guide on zaws and your other frame videos that helped me a lot, hope we really face these issues together, digital extremes and the fanbase
to the people who say fashion frame is the endgame non ironically: go play moviestarplanet.
Hey iFlynn, I totally agree with you. I just began the game from about a month or 2 and i was grinding hard and spending lots of my time that I got mesa prime in just 2 weeks and finished the star chart and all quests. I am even in a huge clan and got lots of things and I just can't feel the good feeling when you achieve something you once desired from the beginning of the game. However DE doesn't even see our complains and although this game spent more time than Fortnite it still has bugs and glitches, while Fortnite doesn't. So I hope DE spend sometime listening to our complains and giving some interest. If DE listened to the warframe community this game will be a "Legend" and I assure that , because all of our desires will be in the game so we will want to get or achieve those things. Thank you iFlynn