I literally had this happen to me in a game yesterday. It was against me on top and luckily the yi camille lane fucked up a few times so I got ahead with early kills and could just kill them in 2v1 early although the yi still ran down our adc laze
Honestly, it took more time than I guessed to people start having success with double top. When I see riot new changes, and them talking about reducing jungle agency in the game I knew it wouldn't take long for people to try the dota meta. Where you have 2 double lanes and solo mid, and jungle camps gets farmed by whoever needs the gold and have enough tempo to do it.
I got this against me in a normal game a month ago and our top got destroyed then game was over. Gonna go and watch that replay now that i just understood what happened
your top got destroyed cause no one is there to even help him, your jungler is too busy clearing camps while no one is contesting anything literally. Not saying this shit is not scum though
@@snowwitch1752ok but why is it scum tho? They aren't using any exploits or bugs. They are using an unconventional strategy that they cooked with their creativity instead of following the same meta like robots. This is how league is supposed to be played.
@@badbadman9412 How is it not a scum you basically shit stomping NORMAL GAMES like bro, if it was ranked sure you gained LP for it but the guy is clearly talking about his top getting shit on by 2 people diving him at level 2 + 3 minnion waves. I met the abomination in my chilling normal game 3 times first 2 i was playing top and then i changed to jungle and shit stomp them instead, i'm playing on Thai server im pretty sure they aren't low elo on our server D1 and Master duo shit stomping gold people on normal games surely isn't a scum move
@@badbadman9412 You're both right & wrong, players are going to cheese games no matter how they can, and that's not technically wrong. However, it does completely ruin the flow of the game. Now, the blame for the falls completely on the game Devs. Like the video stated, this is a result of them nerfing Jungle. If you mess with the meta on the Dev side, then you can't be mad how players respond to it. However, it does ultimately ruin the flow of the game like I said, and that makes it ultimately unfun for everyone.
in season one a player had to roam from top to bottom we had paths like today jg does until some guy called madlife picked tresh sticking with a ranged teammate and became meta. nowadays top is the lane with most xp and gold for meeles so yeah is kinda thebausffs big brain strategy, gather more resources than the other team even if it is troll and your bot got destroyed. might only work with some champs as yi carry more than a sup but if the other team play along switching lanes it will be crazy off meta.
@@expiredramen3640 meta is what is highest success rate for least effort with most consistency. A lvl 1 cheese strat where you spam drives and have no jungler isnt gonna go far when people stop seeing it as a troll. He basically elo boosted a bit and will fall back down within the month. Also that clip where they afk top for 6 minutes with no punish means its gotta be low elo.
Didnt he say that guy is GM w that on SS? I think that works tbh. Especially when its a new strat. Same goes w the Janna Top and what not@@ethosterros9430
Honestly very good strategy by abusing Yi q. The q resets turret agro and since you shove every wave, the opponent is isolated causing huge damage with e - q. This however won’t work against all top champs. 1. Those with heavy early cc (jax e, poppy e) 2. Those that are super tanky early game (include zac and sion cuz of his passive, sion dies but can get gold, xp and kill in return, malphite) and 3. Champs that can proxy the first waves (rammus, singed). This strategy basically requires you to get that first dive (levels 1-2) perfectly since if one dies on the first dive or you fail to kill on the first dive, you can’t continuously dive and snowball. Since you have no jungle, you lose priority on objectives without snowballing.
I'd even argue this doesn't work in lower ranks. Now you might say why. Because lower elos do not respect early trades. They will heavy trade with both of you like a monkey, making this strategy useless (somewhat). It also doesn't work against lots of champs.
Riot made a mistake creating systems to counter funneling in the past. The thing is, the game is ideally played with a carry in the jungle able to affect the whole map and be at objectives. They needed to rework master yi and let the meta change. Instead they have gutted the gold and exp from jungle in order to force a bad meta on the game. They will break this too somehow in order to keep a duo botlane and cause massive problems in the community because people are frustrated.
tbf master yi wasn't the only viable carry for funnel, he was just the most popular one, so changes to account for that had to be made. how they were made is a different story
We should all be doing this now; strong toplane support that can force dives (Like Yi, Elise) and get masive leads to end the game by 15. Maybe they finally fix the game this time xd
@@Amaling its not about player being afk, its about riot phreak deciding to nuke entire role so it wont have that much agency around the game (oh ye now its just transfered to 1 lane and here u go with snowball nature)
It wont work though you see yi has no smite your jungler starts red runs top you now dont kill him ur top laner levels up ahead of you has tp and mission failed.
When farming jungle camps was so bad 4 months ago and junglers realized they should just gank, people got super frustrated and said jungle is too OP, then riot nerfs lane xp sharing for junglers and expect junglers to still deal with this role. The average jungle experience is after 10 minutes you are 2 levels behind, 300 gold behind, and you cant even do any objectives without your teamates doing something. You need every gank to work out to even be even with a solo laner.
Why should you be able to farm boars in the forest and be even with a solo laner who has to spend literally every second trying to dodge/trade/track last hits? Jungle role should basically be a second support, not a carry.
@@jessehickey4686 Because it sucks to play this game when you're behind, and jungle puts you behind by default. I don't care if it is "fair". There's a reason that jungle is one of the least played roles in soloQ. It sucks to play.
@@jessehickey4686 Im saying don't expect junglers to want to play jungle when they expected it to be a carry role and now its a support role. Imagine if they made mid lane a support role with the argument that (junglers cant sit under tower).
Could be really interesting for the meta, we could see a rise in super tanky cc focussed tops who can survive the tower dives and greedy farming junglers who take advantage of the extra jungle camps.
The strongest jungle champs right now already is ones that can giga farm (AP champs lul) and those who can invade (graves, nidalee) Kha and Nocturn are fallbacks. People playing all the tanks and bruisers is just because they're stuck and not wanting to adapt. You aren't behind on XP if you play AP champ whereas if you play a J4 you'll be so far down it's stupid
You won't because this strategy is not viable when people play together, to counter this strat, just take 4TP in ur team, play defensive, chill and wait 10min : the second jungler is lvl 4, enjoy ur free LPs
@@SeafightLeRoiTitannot just that. This strat seems to rely on yi to make a 2 champ level 2 tower dive happen. Walking up, yi hits first, then all in and yi Q's just before the final tower hit hits yi. Imagine how risky this even is and yone gets double kill @min3. Then you have a useless jungler and free gold for enemy jgl. It's fun indeed but not a reliable strat imo.
ahh yes 2-1-2 laning. this brings me back to the early days of LoL. used to do this with my group of friends, simply because none of us know how to play jungle yet lol
Wait so I had a game yesterday where we had two top.. but it wasn't the former jungler that went. It was the support malphite.. that took smite, then went top and left Nilah alone botlane vs Samira+Lux. Needless to say we won, but maybe that Malphite is the future /s
A possible counter I have thought for this strategy is sion. With his passive, you can start w and even if they can kill you under tower, you still get minions under tower after death. Then you can build tank, by going something like tabis, which would greatly reduce dmg from yi. Otherwise, you would still get something like chainmail before tping back. Maybe going for warden's mail later. Then it would be very difficult to dive you. You could also have a jungler come lvl 2 (though very diffuclt in soloQ) and counter gank after they get lvl 2 from buff. Preferably a strong jungler for this such as quinn or elise. With your jungler and you verus the enemy two lvl 1 champs. You should be able to not get dived on the first wave.
Yes, because counter would involve the actual jungler to shadow top to make dives fail (this would mean that both top and jungle has cc to fuck up the tower dive). Pretty sure this fails if you don't get to kill top in early game.
@@mcELINER this would 100% get ruined by jngler just starting top side and pathing straight to lane, then invading into Yi's quadrant. Now enemy jungler doesn't even need to gank to match laners. Pick a hard scaling jungler like Kindred and it's gg report Yi.
This is just cheese guys. If you see Ignite JG in your game they got paypal'd. Sprint to side lanes and put a deep ward in lane brush to spot him out and ask your JG to start on the side Yi/Ign JG intends on cheesing. Have them lv2 counter gank the stacked wave dive and you have a free game cuz they have no JG income.
yeah if jungler can cover until top gets lvl 3 then top should become undivable. There are many champs like Irelia/Sett/Jax/Fiora/Camille... who have incredible mobility or anti-burst at lvl 2 or 3 which I don't know what you would do about.
Just got to enjoy this strat in NA Em, top got dove into tp into death and left the game; this is a horrible direction for the game to move in and jungle needs buffs to counteract this quickly
I watch this guy on a chinese platform, the strat usually goes like this: Sylas + Master Yi, there's burst and control on sylas, continous damage on yi, both have self sustain with their W Both buy support items so damaging the opponent top laner or attacking the tower gets 60 gold Master Yi usually eats the minions, unless he has the penalty from the support item, then Sylas eats Master Yi usually has Hail of blades as main rune for the burst early game, both bring ignite They usually ban Jax and Shen for their ability to block basic attacks and make them not very divable lv1 lv1: see if can take enemy top by surprise get their health low, if not, shove wave and wait till both gets to lv2 lv2: sylas and master yi dives the opponent lv1 top, master yi first takes tower aggro, then gets out with Q invincibility, if opponent top TP back, just kill them again lv3: Jungler is probably getting around, so both set up wards to see where the jungler might be coming from, they either base or trade 1 person with opponent top so they are valuable again lv4 - first tower: Opponent top can't resist so they just push tower, their usually get this tower by 6 minutes into the game, by now enemy top is basically useless with no gold and exp. first tower - second tower: Probably both have their first item now, so they just go bot and see if they can kill the bot laners, if not they just push tower, again bot can't resist as well, if enemy mid and jug comes they are glad to trade heads. Afterwards: They are up by like 2 complete items and the enemies just can't resist, so yeah You might wonder why this is viable, cuz jungler gets 4 camps shouldnt they be hella strong, problem is top is getting harrassed and they probably will call jungler, if they ignore and just dive into killing camps, the camps are thicc, does tons of damage, and gets little reward, they won't be in the position to gank anyone, and top's tower is gone. If they do go help, 2v2 they have double ignite, support item bonus stats, while jug only has the egg that brings 0 stats for combat, and there's a useless top with no cs.
6:18 very smart play they deny him more exp but most importantly they reset his bounty, he was not worth any gold after that many deaths but now he is back to giving 300 gold, he got the gold on shutdown but his exp and gold are still too much impaired for him to have a game. Pray junglers don't cover dives though ^^'
Maybe this kind of strategy is being good on regular servers as well. I played a game on this Patch 13.14 (regular server) in which a supposed enemy Sylas JG (Flash + Ignite) did a complete Jungle Diff against our regular Jungler at least until Mid Game. Basically, a Sylas "JG" and Pantheon MID kept inverting between 2x1 Top Lane and 2x1 Mid Lane, besides Ganking (I was SUP). They mostly dominated the objectives until somewhere Mid Game; but without Smite, in the end we were able to come back and secure Victory (probably because of Compositions and patience); Sylas does not necessarily scales as well as Master Yi I guess. I don't know if it was a Spell mistake or on purpose, but whatever it was, the fact is that it proved to be quite impactful in some way, even if not a Master Yi doing exactly the same steps you do. Thanks for 'breaking the rules' and showing how unbalanced the game is! Riot says they want Unbalance: fun before logic. So show them some real FUN that works! 😹Like Janna Top with Smite.
hi I have been playing yi with this strat for over a year which I even made a video, but the problem with the strat is teammate who run down me like every 2 game when i play yi like that, im happy someone think to play river yi, on only river yi account i finish master with 65% winrate in euw so the strat work well you will just lose so much game because our team get tilt so just insta mute all when they start to talk and gl
their jungle has no money if he choose to 2v2, besides ,it's hard to fight against Yi and thief man because your jungle egg has no numerical addition and they have two fire
u are wrong he wastes time yi just dont have to do anything for 2m and yi will be lvl 4 and jungler lvl 2 or max 3 and he will never be able to catch upto them.
@@asadtariq2307 Yi will be sharing exp and the JG will go screw off to his other quadrants of the map and come back to break freeze later. It's not gonna work when the cheese is so easy to read with Ignite no smite JG.
This strategy should be easy to shut down, especially if you know it's coming straight from loading screen: 1. Jungler should start clearing only top for first levels and clear the camps if a way he can rotate for your tower level 2 (be on krugs or gromp depending on side). 2. Top should only try to stay in exp range, retreat to tower if not possible. 3. If they crash wave 2, jungler moves towards top tower to prevent dive. 4. If initial dive doesn't happen, jungler starts vertically jungling on top side to be ready to clean up any attempted dives.
This strategy is terrible. So easy to counter and put the double top extremely behind and auto lose the game However i really hope it will become popular so riot games will be forced to buff the fuckin jungle BRING BACK THE GOLDEN AGE OF JUNGLE: SEASON 6!!!!
tried this, if u have an early game top its literally unbeatable. yi can almost solo dive any top alone just lvl 2 to 1 with ignite and if their jungler doenst counter gank the 1st dive the game is completely over
Finally different strategies in this game. I give it a month before riot and adc mains bitch and complain that the game is actually being different and they change it. Any time literally anyone else carries the game all the marksman babies line up to whine that their 10+ year monopoly on the carry role is challenged.
I just played Garen into a Gragas×Kayne top duo and I"m honestly not sure what to think of it. 1 didn't die but I was way behind in CS and I really didn't have fun even if we won because their top duo didn't create enough pressure to counterbalance their lack of jungler.
Had this happen to me, Riven and Master Yi vs Garen that was not a fun experience. Feels even worse as I got flamed for dying to them under turret level 2.
the clips only showed quite squishy champs lvl 1 like yone and trynda, i doubt this would work against someone like jax or ornn or a range champ like kennen
Just had this shit in a D2 game where BOTH junglers nunu & yi did this strat everyone was completely confused but we somehow ended up stomping so I won't complain
I watch this guy on a chinese platform, the strat usually goes like this: Sylas + Master Yi, there's burst and control on sylas, continous damage on yi, both have self sustain with their W Both buy support items so damaging the opponent top laner or attacking the tower gets 60 gold Master Yi usually eats the minions, unless he has the penalty from the support item, then Sylas eats Master Yi usually has Hail of blades as main rune for the burst early game, both bring ignite They usually ban Jax and Shen for their ability to block basic attacks and make them not very divable lv1 lv1: see if can take enemy top by surprise get their health low, if not, shove wave and wait till both gets to lv2 lv2: sylas and master yi dives the opponent lv1 top, master yi first takes tower aggro, then gets out with Q invincibility, if opponent top TP back, just kill them again lv3: Jungler is probably getting around, so both set up wards to see where the jungler might be coming from, they either base or trade 1 person with opponent top so they are valuable again lv4 - first tower: Opponent top can't resist so they just push tower, their usually get this tower by 6 minutes into the game, by now enemy top is basically useless with no gold and exp. first tower - second tower: Probably both have their first item now, so they just go bot and see if they can kill the bot laners, if not they just push tower, again bot can't resist as well, if enemy mid and jug comes they are glad to trade heads. Afterwards: They are up by like 2 complete items and the enemies just can't resist, so yeah
had this exact pair top (yi sylas) but sylas also went support item like an idiot so he had no income because of csing. If the enemy team is smart and play slow, they can just get every obj easily and outscale dpeending on their comp. I remember i was very frustrated playing with this because the yi was full build at 20mins but somehow couldnt carry and died to any cc lol while we had no jg and played 2vs3 bot since the enemy jg was smart enough to camp our weakside. Their aatrox who had like 15 deaths? Still more useful than the sylas lmfao
I don't believe this is in any way viable once this strat is known. I would imagine there are so many strats to counter this and once top laner is somewhat stable the game is basically over. Every other lane will win on average because no jungle pressure. Literally no objective control. It is just an early game cheese strat that loses you the game if it doesn't work out.
cant enemy jng just full clear and buy supp item to stop the snowball? , also i think it work only if u are at least emrald and above , i dont see my gnugnu plat team diving the enemy top without fucking it up XD
Counters : Yi ban or Jax top picked coz only Yi can rly do that lvl 1 and 2 and Jax has E champions like Garen with W start or champs that are hard to dive lvl 1 like Sett W start are also probably a counter to that, coz if u don't take a lead early u instantly lose the game right since u can't snowball and ennemy top isn't behind and has exp x2 like ur jungler
jax e doesn't stop yi u know that right XD, it might save him level1 but then they will dive jax when the wave crashed and gl, and what garen is gonna pick w first.
@@wxSHENRON if they want to dive Jax presses E and they just don't have enough dmg to dive him wdym, lvl 2 Yi can only auto attack and Q, master yi Q applies on hit and Jax E blocks on hit dmg, the other champion will also rely a lot on auto attacking lvl 2 if u see no jungler u know u're getting cheesed so u just pick W and respect, if u don't let ennemy team cheese early they can't snowball and it's basically ff for them u just go in exp range so u don't get chunked and u're not divable
@@hisoka8202 no i don't think you read what i said. if jax doesn't get lvl 1 e his dead. but if he does then yi and X will crash the wave, yi gets his first strike passive by hitting the turret on minions, then they will engage. if jax presses e, yi will tank the turret for 1sec till it's guaranteed that even if jax hold's his e it won't hit yi. and they just dive him after that, ez. also, u're not gonna outpush 2 players, and if you try to do anything against it you're dead, cuz yi is simply the highest dps champion. if you don't believe in yi dives then look in yt lol dobby yi top :)
@@wxSHENRON why would u want to push lol ? u're 1v2, just stay in exp range and don't lose HP jax always take E lvl 1 99.9% of the time have u ever played yi vs jax ? jax E lasts longer than yi Q, so Yi just gets stunned at the end of the counterstrike => he takes dmg and he can't auto Jax coz he's stunned yi Q is on-hit and jax E blocks on-hit so u'll take very low dmg, + the other champ is lvl 2 so he only has 2 abilities, most dmg u deal lvl 1 and 2 are from auto attacks also u can just leash ur jungler that starts topside and then he comes top, u start 2v2 but ur jungler is lvl 2 and they're both lvl 1 and u take prio, if u don't have prio anyway u won game since ennemy didn't kill you with their cheese
@@hisoka8202 what jungler? you are jungler playing double top as the support, i think we're not on the same page here are we? also yi q is 1 sec, jax e duration is 2sec, after 1 sec jax can recast his e to stun faster. which means if you wait 1 sec + 0.1 sec you won't get hit. usually what yi players do there is hold their w or get their double strike before they q. if you are yi otp you win this, mby if you aren't then you could lose that fight but otherwise yi wins this 100%
people say jg is op but dont realize literally anyone can ruin the game for others, this just shows jg is actually WEAK cause look how much more gold and income you generate by just simply not going in the jungle lol
seems like the super server has been running 14.1 games, since its just the super server im gonna say they don’t have the patch yet and itll be a global release
I legit locked in Master Yi jungle, but because my team troll picked I decided to take ignite instead of smite to force someone to dodge. No one dodged. But we won. And we won easily.
I really like it, but I highly doubt Riot will allow this to be meta for any remarkable period of time. They seem to hate innovations like this to the meta. At some point they decided the game should always be 1 top, 1 jungle, 1 mid, and 2 bottom. It also seems like a very difficult strategy to pull off, so I don't see it have much success below masters because all of those players are too used to playing the standard way.
I think its hard to play. Well imagine this: you go duo top, but enemy has a bard roaming up and jungle coming early levels to stop you from killing top. And top knowing its double top against him, doesnt walk up like a bot, but wards the middle bush and stays in exp range. Now your bot lane needs to be a heavy poke lane right, otherwise you cant kill the enemy adc. Watching this video I got the expression of enemy watchingtop like a cuckold, meanwhile it wouldnt be so hard to counterplay "chinese super server"
Is it neccessary to have Yi in a double top strategy? I'd love to try this strategy with some other champ that can be as good or better than Yi. If anyone has any recommendations, pls give.
Yi is great since he dive and change turret agro to minions , mabye elise can work but i'm not sure if her dmg can match yi and caccon is harder to land than Yi Q
@@taroken8846 That's a fair point I guess. I have tried a couple of champs for the double top strat but so far only I have been successful only on Warwick, that too simply because the enemy made a mistake of having a 1v1/1v2 trade vs my champ. I guess I'll have to practice Yi to make this strat work.
@@maxinxin1231 u can just leash ur jungler and then he comes instantly toplane, jgl item gives no stat but ur jungler is now lvl 2 (1 lvl equals 600 gold in term of stats) and has 2 abilities whereas ennemies have 1, ennemy has no counterplay, no cheese early game over
@@hisoka8202 very few champions can straight up solo kill at level 2, let alone kill sylas yi in their wave with a level 1 laner. I've played this strat( sylas yi top) for more than 10 games and I've only lost the first one because we had 0 mastery on the two champions. This is actually insanely broken people don't realize. There is very little counter play especially in uncoordinated solo queue. The original creator has played this hundreds of games on Chinese server in Emerald-Master games. Granted they are a GM duo, but they have only EVER lost 3 games. That tells you this is more than just a cheese but a legit strategy that can lead to victory 95% of the time.
Bro just casually commits war crime to my solo q
Literally
I literally had this happen to me in a game yesterday. It was against me on top and luckily the yi camille lane fucked up a few times so I got ahead with early kills and could just kill them in 2v1 early although the yi still ran down our adc laze
Honestly, it took more time than I guessed to people start having success with double top. When I see riot new changes, and them talking about reducing jungle agency in the game I knew it wouldn't take long for people to try the dota meta. Where you have 2 double lanes and solo mid, and jungle camps gets farmed by whoever needs the gold and have enough tempo to do it.
I dont want this to happen
That shift in the meta might actually be good. Playing as an auto-fill jungle is so unrewarding.
@@aliyutubeexplain why u dont want this to happen
Actually a good take, this gonna be a new fresh air
Riot won’t let jungle become irrelevant. They’ll just revert changes and buff jungle and thr cycle will repeat
„Diving top provides more stable gold income”… this sentence represents the state of jungle this patch perfectly.
I got this against me in a normal game a month ago and our top got destroyed then game was over. Gonna go and watch that replay now that i just understood what happened
your top got destroyed cause no one is there to even help him, your jungler is too busy clearing camps while no one is contesting anything literally. Not saying this shit is not scum though
who were the duo champions that they played against?
@@snowwitch1752ok but why is it scum tho? They aren't using any exploits or bugs. They are using an unconventional strategy that they cooked with their creativity instead of following the same meta like robots. This is how league is supposed to be played.
@@badbadman9412 How is it not a scum you basically shit stomping NORMAL GAMES like bro, if it was ranked sure you gained LP for it but the guy is clearly talking about his top getting shit on by 2 people diving him at level 2 + 3 minnion waves. I met the abomination in my chilling normal game 3 times first 2 i was playing top and then i changed to jungle and shit stomp them instead, i'm playing on Thai server im pretty sure they aren't low elo on our server D1 and Master duo shit stomping gold people on normal games surely isn't a scum move
@@badbadman9412 You're both right & wrong, players are going to cheese games no matter how they can, and that's not technically wrong. However, it does completely ruin the flow of the game. Now, the blame for the falls completely on the game Devs. Like the video stated, this is a result of them nerfing Jungle.
If you mess with the meta on the Dev side, then you can't be mad how players respond to it. However, it does ultimately ruin the flow of the game like I said, and that makes it ultimately unfun for everyone.
I like it I hope master Yi doesn’t become meta but I’ve always thought that the game would be more dynamic if supports could go top aswell as bot
in season one a player had to roam from top to bottom we had paths like today jg does until some guy called madlife picked tresh sticking with a ranged teammate and became meta.
nowadays top is the lane with most xp and gold for meeles so yeah is kinda thebausffs big brain strategy, gather more resources than the other team even if it is troll and your bot got destroyed.
might only work with some champs as yi carry more than a sup but if the other team play along switching lanes it will be crazy off meta.
A combination of 2 going top and both doing camps/jungling would be interesting too
I hope it does, idiotic whining Phreak brought this.
@@expiredramen3640 meta is what is highest success rate for least effort with most consistency. A lvl 1 cheese strat where you spam drives and have no jungler isnt gonna go far when people stop seeing it as a troll. He basically elo boosted a bit and will fall back down within the month. Also that clip where they afk top for 6 minutes with no punish means its gotta be low elo.
Didnt he say that guy is GM w that on SS? I think that works tbh. Especially when its a new strat. Same goes w the Janna Top and what not@@ethosterros9430
Man... Now im gonna get a jungler picking top in my games....
Welcome to another meta of "Fuck you Top lane in particular" strategy!
Honestly very good strategy by abusing Yi q. The q resets turret agro and since you shove every wave, the opponent is isolated causing huge damage with e - q. This however won’t work against all top champs. 1. Those with heavy early cc (jax e, poppy e) 2. Those that are super tanky early game (include zac and sion cuz of his passive, sion dies but can get gold, xp and kill in return, malphite) and 3. Champs that can proxy the first waves (rammus, singed). This strategy basically requires you to get that first dive (levels 1-2) perfectly since if one dies on the first dive or you fail to kill on the first dive, you can’t continuously dive and snowball. Since you have no jungle, you lose priority on objectives without snowballing.
Wait till they see Ksante press W
I'd even argue this doesn't work in lower ranks. Now you might say why. Because lower elos do not respect early trades. They will heavy trade with both of you like a monkey, making this strategy useless (somewhat).
It also doesn't work against lots of champs.
@@krulak292 your reasoning on why it doesnt work in low elo doesnt make sense. If they dont respect the trade then they just die faster
@@Okami400 no no no. They trade their health even earlier then expected, resulting in people being too low before the tower dive lol.
@@krulak292 bro its a 2v1 i dont think that matters anymore at the point where they're diving, plus they have pots
Riot made a mistake creating systems to counter funneling in the past. The thing is, the game is ideally played with a carry in the jungle able to affect the whole map and be at objectives. They needed to rework master yi and let the meta change. Instead they have gutted the gold and exp from jungle in order to force a bad meta on the game. They will break this too somehow in order to keep a duo botlane and cause massive problems in the community because people are frustrated.
tbf master yi wasn't the only viable carry for funnel, he was just the most popular one, so changes to account for that had to be made. how they were made is a different story
@@АлексейПруцев-ф4р True, I played diana and taric funel on brazilian grandmaster (when duo on master + was possible)
nerf master yi XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
Master yi, q, is like tryndamere r, yone e, or yasuo passive, they are melee adc, they need survivability because of the nature of carrys
not nerf, rework idk what it would look like though. It's just ideal for the funnel.@@Thiago-o7c
We should all be doing this now; strong toplane support that can force dives (Like Yi, Elise) and get masive leads to end the game by 15. Maybe they finally fix the game this time xd
honestly i know so many top laners wode quit after a single game of this shit working
That sounds like a better game than one where 1 in 5 players are afk
no. it would just become meta if rito doesnt stop it :P@@baro4067
@@Amaling its not about player being afk, its about riot phreak deciding to nuke entire role so it wont have that much agency around the game (oh ye now its just transfered to 1 lane and here u go with snowball nature)
It wont work though you see yi has no smite your jungler starts red runs top you now dont kill him ur top laner levels up ahead of you has tp and mission failed.
When farming jungle camps was so bad 4 months ago and junglers realized they should just gank, people got super frustrated and said jungle is too OP, then riot nerfs lane xp sharing for junglers and expect junglers to still deal with this role. The average jungle experience is after 10 minutes you are 2 levels behind, 300 gold behind, and you cant even do any objectives without your teamates doing something. You need every gank to work out to even be even with a solo laner.
Why should you be able to farm boars in the forest and be even with a solo laner who has to spend literally every second trying to dodge/trade/track last hits? Jungle role should basically be a second support, not a carry.
@@jessehickey4686 jungle feels worse than support
@@jessehickey4686are you iron? Support is a massive carry role😂
@@jessehickey4686
Because it sucks to play this game when you're behind, and jungle puts you behind by default. I don't care if it is "fair". There's a reason that jungle is one of the least played roles in soloQ. It sucks to play.
@@jessehickey4686 Im saying don't expect junglers to want to play jungle when they expected it to be a carry role and now its a support role. Imagine if they made mid lane a support role with the argument that (junglers cant sit under tower).
Could be really interesting for the meta, we could see a rise in super tanky cc focussed tops who can survive the tower dives and greedy farming junglers who take advantage of the extra jungle camps.
The strongest jungle champs right now already is ones that can giga farm (AP champs lul) and those who can invade (graves, nidalee) Kha and Nocturn are fallbacks. People playing all the tanks and bruisers is just because they're stuck and not wanting to adapt. You aren't behind on XP if you play AP champ whereas if you play a J4 you'll be so far down it's stupid
maokai comeback
Only way I can see a jungler coming top in my games kekw
Can’t wait to see this in pro play 😂😂
You won't because this strategy is not viable when people play together, to counter this strat, just take 4TP in ur team, play defensive, chill and wait 10min : the second jungler is lvl 4, enjoy ur free LPs
@@SeafightLeRoiTitannot just that. This strat seems to rely on yi to make a 2 champ level 2 tower dive happen. Walking up, yi hits first, then all in and yi Q's just before the final tower hit hits yi. Imagine how risky this even is and yone gets double kill @min3. Then you have a useless jungler and free gold for enemy jgl. It's fun indeed but not a reliable strat imo.
several heros can conter this ,but if top chose the wrong hero will be doomed
You are forced to take smite as jungle in pro play
ahh yes 2-1-2 laning. this brings me back to the early days of LoL. used to do this with my group of friends, simply because none of us know how to play jungle yet lol
The counter to this is enemy team double jungles.
Master Yi funnel always makes a comeback
But now he's reverse funneling. He get his toplane fed.
Worse, it's double funneling, both Yi and top get fed
Wait so I had a game yesterday where we had two top.. but it wasn't the former jungler that went. It was the support malphite.. that took smite, then went top and left Nilah alone botlane vs Samira+Lux.
Needless to say we won, but maybe that Malphite is the future /s
but this is a no smite strategy
Leaving Nilah alone is like the most stupid thing since you dont take advantage of her passive. You just got trolled hard.
A possible counter I have thought for this strategy is sion. With his passive, you can start w and even if they can kill you under tower, you still get minions under tower after death. Then you can build tank, by going something like tabis, which would greatly reduce dmg from yi. Otherwise, you would still get something like chainmail before tping back. Maybe going for warden's mail later. Then it would be very difficult to dive you.
You could also have a jungler come lvl 2 (though very diffuclt in soloQ) and counter gank after they get lvl 2 from buff. Preferably a strong jungler for this such as quinn or elise. With your jungler and you verus the enemy two lvl 1 champs. You should be able to not get dived on the first wave.
The possible counter is having a human top playing jax fiora olaf aatrox yone riven akali darius with brain
Or just dont be supp 80 iq also helps
Singed
morde is okay too
So me and my brother running singed/fizz top in 2014 was ahead of its time?
Ah. yes. my favorite game -- Dota 2
I've seen support yi no jungler a few times recently and EVERY TIME it pops off and carries. Seems op and no one knows how to deal
Yes, because counter would involve the actual jungler to shadow top to make dives fail (this would mean that both top and jungle has cc to fuck up the tower dive). Pretty sure this fails if you don't get to kill top in early game.
@@mcELINER this would 100% get ruined by jngler just starting top side and pathing straight to lane, then invading into Yi's quadrant. Now enemy jungler doesn't even need to gank to match laners. Pick a hard scaling jungler like Kindred and it's gg report Yi.
@@mcELINER or a jax that can just dodge all your aa
I just picking sion/riven/jax and making fun of their dive:
This is just cheese guys. If you see Ignite JG in your game they got paypal'd. Sprint to side lanes and put a deep ward in lane brush to spot him out and ask your JG to start on the side Yi/Ign JG intends on cheesing. Have them lv2 counter gank the stacked wave dive and you have a free game cuz they have no JG income.
yeah if jungler can cover until top gets lvl 3 then top should become undivable. There are many champs like Irelia/Sett/Jax/Fiora/Camille... who have incredible mobility or anti-burst at lvl 2 or 3 which I don't know what you would do about.
Just got to enjoy this strat in NA Em, top got dove into tp into death and left the game; this is a horrible direction for the game to move in and jungle needs buffs to counteract this quickly
I watch this guy on a chinese platform, the strat usually goes like this:
Sylas + Master Yi, there's burst and control on sylas, continous damage on yi, both have self sustain with their W
Both buy support items so damaging the opponent top laner or attacking the tower gets 60 gold
Master Yi usually eats the minions, unless he has the penalty from the support item, then Sylas eats
Master Yi usually has Hail of blades as main rune for the burst early game, both bring ignite
They usually ban Jax and Shen for their ability to block basic attacks and make them not very divable lv1
lv1: see if can take enemy top by surprise get their health low, if not, shove wave and wait till both gets to lv2
lv2: sylas and master yi dives the opponent lv1 top, master yi first takes tower aggro, then gets out with Q invincibility, if opponent top TP back, just kill them again
lv3: Jungler is probably getting around, so both set up wards to see where the jungler might be coming from, they either base or trade 1 person with opponent top so they are valuable again
lv4 - first tower: Opponent top can't resist so they just push tower, their usually get this tower by 6 minutes into the game, by now enemy top is basically useless with no gold and exp.
first tower - second tower: Probably both have their first item now, so they just go bot and see if they can kill the bot laners, if not they just push tower, again bot can't resist as well, if enemy mid and jug comes they are glad to trade heads.
Afterwards: They are up by like 2 complete items and the enemies just can't resist, so yeah
You might wonder why this is viable, cuz jungler gets 4 camps shouldnt they be hella strong, problem is top is getting harrassed and they probably will call jungler, if they ignore and just dive into killing camps, the camps are thicc, does tons of damage, and gets little reward, they won't be in the position to gank anyone, and top's tower is gone. If they do go help, 2v2 they have double ignite, support item bonus stats, while jug only has the egg that brings 0 stats for combat, and there's a useless top with no cs.
I think jgl is strong enough no need to buff
6:18 very smart play they deny him more exp but most importantly they reset his bounty, he was not worth any gold after that many deaths but now he is back to giving 300 gold, he got the gold on shutdown but his exp and gold are still too much impaired for him to have a game.
Pray junglers don't cover dives though ^^'
Maybe this kind of strategy is being good on regular servers as well. I played a game on this Patch 13.14 (regular server) in which a supposed enemy Sylas JG (Flash + Ignite) did a complete Jungle Diff against our regular Jungler at least until Mid Game. Basically, a Sylas "JG" and Pantheon MID kept inverting between 2x1 Top Lane and 2x1 Mid Lane, besides Ganking (I was SUP). They mostly dominated the objectives until somewhere Mid Game; but without Smite, in the end we were able to come back and secure Victory (probably because of Compositions and patience); Sylas does not necessarily scales as well as Master Yi I guess. I don't know if it was a Spell mistake or on purpose, but whatever it was, the fact is that it proved to be quite impactful in some way, even if not a Master Yi doing exactly the same steps you do. Thanks for 'breaking the rules' and showing how unbalanced the game is! Riot says they want Unbalance: fun before logic. So show them some real FUN that works! 😹Like Janna Top with Smite.
hi I have been playing yi with this strat for over a year which I even made a video, but the problem with the strat is teammate who run down me like every 2 game when i play yi like that, im happy someone think to play river yi, on only river yi account i finish master with 65% winrate in euw so the strat work well you will just lose so much game because our team get tilt so just insta mute all when they start to talk and gl
their jungle has no money if he choose to 2v2, besides ,it's hard to fight against Yi and thief man because your jungle egg has no numerical addition and they have two fire
imo it's more of a cheese strat and can be countered if ppl get used to it and start to understand it
Counter: Jungler knows this strat, hovers first 2 dives and its gg
yeah it's so easy to counter that I don't even get the point of the video.
@@KCKSkelits a niche strat which is not known
u are wrong he wastes time yi just dont have to do anything for 2m and yi will be lvl 4 and jungler lvl 2 or max 3 and he will never be able to catch upto them.
@@asadtariq2307 Yi will be sharing exp and the JG will go screw off to his other quadrants of the map and come back to break freeze later. It's not gonna work when the cheese is so easy to read with Ignite no smite JG.
Yea has to be bronze with no jg or sup coming for 6 min
i dont get the part that they are playing on 14.1 now
I am beta player and i am jungle main. This season i stopped playing lol because jungle is never have been weak like that.
And then the enemy jungle comes on any of the dives, kills you both and the game is over at 2:20 gj
You have 4 wards it's pretty easy to avoid
Ironic, start to learn the game by playing duo top, get good enough to play jg, get even better and return to duo top 😅
This strategy should be easy to shut down, especially if you know it's coming straight from loading screen:
1. Jungler should start clearing only top for first levels and clear the camps if a way he can rotate for your tower level 2 (be on krugs or gromp depending on side).
2. Top should only try to stay in exp range, retreat to tower if not possible.
3. If they crash wave 2, jungler moves towards top tower to prevent dive.
4. If initial dive doesn't happen, jungler starts vertically jungling on top side to be ready to clean up any attempted dives.
This would work best if one of your teammates takes unsealed for getting a single use smite for a baron to end the game
smite without jungle item aint outsmiting enemy jungler, just gotta force fight before and kill enemy jungler
@@cronosdimitri4584 it does actually do the same as the enemy jungler's smite. It's based on number of spell swaps you have done.
@@cronosdimitri4584smite via spellbook upgrades
Ok now we really have a video that breaks the server.
This strategy is terrible. So easy to counter and put the double top extremely behind and auto lose the game
However i really hope it will become popular so riot games will be forced to buff the fuckin jungle
BRING BACK THE GOLDEN AGE OF JUNGLE: SEASON 6!!!!
what if the enemy jg starts top camp, gets level 2, and busts you both when you are both level 1?
i think jungler vids are the best cuz it's the only role that concerns every lane we need more of that
tried this, if u have an early game top its literally unbeatable. yi can almost solo dive any top alone just lvl 2 to 1 with ignite and if their jungler doenst counter gank the 1st dive the game is completely over
What are the master yi and ornn runes?
whats the orn build?
thats how usless jungle became
el top enemigo: estoy cansado jefe xd
The name of the originator of this video is "mortal-blade", the blade in game sekiro ; shadow died twice.
finally the AJA prophecy is foretold
Finally different strategies in this game.
I give it a month before riot and adc mains bitch and complain that the game is actually being different and they change it. Any time literally anyone else carries the game all the marksman babies line up to whine that their 10+ year monopoly on the carry role is challenged.
song list please
I feel like this could also be really strong with shaco who just puts boxes so the Jungler doesn't come xd or elise with her diving potential as well
its like season3 and earlier normal queue.
many times there would be noone playing jungler.
sometimes only one team had a jungler.
this skin came with fiora project riot telling future of master yi top meta XD
We're just goona play dota in 2024 League
I just played Garen into a Gragas×Kayne top duo and I"m honestly not sure what to think of it. 1 didn't die but I was way behind in CS and I really didn't have fun even if we won because their top duo didn't create enough pressure to counterbalance their lack of jungler.
This is just River Shen lmao
Had this happen to me, Riven and Master Yi vs Garen that was not a fun experience. Feels even worse as I got flamed for dying to them under turret level 2.
Whats the name of the anime at the beginning ?
the clips only showed quite squishy champs lvl 1 like yone and trynda, i doubt this would work against someone like jax or ornn or a range champ like kennen
Instructions unclear, my top laner rage quit
so technically season2 all over again?
Just had this shit in a D2 game where BOTH junglers nunu & yi did this strat everyone was completely confused but we somehow ended up stomping so I won't complain
🗣‼🔥🔥 WE GETTING DISOWNED WITH THIS ONE LETS GOO!!
Удивительно, ни разу в их игре не увидел танка на топе. Одни сквиши. Как удобно.
Wait LPL server already get to play the new map?
Wait… what if they get a Elise-Yi or Kled-Yi duo top… they have double dive disengage…
why top tower don't have shield? before 5 min
thats why my last game i had an adc draven with support item going perma top and solo losing xd
I watch this guy on a chinese platform, the strat usually goes like this:
Sylas + Master Yi, there's burst and control on sylas, continous damage on yi, both have self sustain with their W
Both buy support items so damaging the opponent top laner or attacking the tower gets 60 gold
Master Yi usually eats the minions, unless he has the penalty from the support item, then Sylas eats
Master Yi usually has Hail of blades as main rune for the burst early game, both bring ignite
They usually ban Jax and Shen for their ability to block basic attacks and make them not very divable lv1
lv1: see if can take enemy top by surprise get their health low, if not, shove wave and wait till both gets to lv2
lv2: sylas and master yi dives the opponent lv1 top, master yi first takes tower aggro, then gets out with Q invincibility, if opponent top TP back, just kill them again
lv3: Jungler is probably getting around, so both set up wards to see where the jungler might be coming from, they either base or trade 1 person with opponent top so they are valuable again
lv4 - first tower: Opponent top can't resist so they just push tower, their usually get this tower by 6 minutes into the game, by now enemy top is basically useless with no gold and exp.
first tower - second tower: Probably both have their first item now, so they just go bot and see if they can kill the bot laners, if not they just push tower, again bot can't resist as well, if enemy mid and jug comes they are glad to trade heads.
Afterwards: They are up by like 2 complete items and the enemies just can't resist, so yeah
can you post the guy's channel? i speak chinese and would like to watch more of his videos :D
@@lolborq platform:bilibili,
id:不死斩剑圣。
I like how you say "just kill them again" if they tp like they didn't just lose 80% of hp for their first dive
that yone has swiftness boots, how can I take this vid seriously?
Riot put Junglers in a corner so ofc this was bound to happen.
Meta evolution has come full circle..
Man this is so fun I even won a 4v5 easily wtf
Thank you for this bilibili cooking
Time to go ranked and if team suspicious link incoming !
hahahahaa
had this exact pair top (yi sylas) but sylas also went support item like an idiot so he had no income because of csing. If the enemy team is smart and play slow, they can just get every obj easily and outscale dpeending on their comp. I remember i was very frustrated playing with this because the yi was full build at 20mins but somehow couldnt carry and died to any cc lol while we had no jg and played 2vs3 bot since the enemy jg was smart enough to camp our weakside. Their aatrox who had like 15 deaths? Still more useful than the sylas lmfao
S14 is out in China?
So.. what happens when the enemy jungler just goes red then top
I'm glad this happened. The developers at rito are a bunch of useless trash.
I don't believe this is in any way viable once this strat is known. I would imagine there are so many strats to counter this and once top laner is somewhat stable the game is basically over. Every other lane will win on average because no jungle pressure. Literally no objective control. It is just an early game cheese strat that loses you the game if it doesn't work out.
I want to see this played against thebaus lol
support should go top as fast as possible, and jungler should path top early to help
That tahliah did 0 damage vs that Yi at the end XD😂😂😂😂
cant enemy jng just full clear and buy supp item to stop the snowball? , also i think it work only if u are at least emrald and above , i dont see my gnugnu plat team diving the enemy top without fucking it up XD
you cant buy jg and supp item
isnt it nerfed when you have 2 support items in your team?
"Just play safe bro" 💀
It just proves how broken the gold generation of support items is.
ah yes getting 7 kills in 5 minutes is definitely a problem with the support item giving too much gold
Counters : Yi ban or Jax top picked coz only Yi can rly do that lvl 1 and 2 and Jax has E
champions like Garen with W start or champs that are hard to dive lvl 1 like Sett W start are also probably a counter to that, coz if u don't take a lead early u instantly lose the game right since u can't snowball and ennemy top isn't behind and has exp x2 like ur jungler
jax e doesn't stop yi u know that right XD, it might save him level1 but then they will dive jax when the wave crashed and gl, and what garen is gonna pick w first.
@@wxSHENRON if they want to dive Jax presses E and they just don't have enough dmg to dive him wdym, lvl 2 Yi can only auto attack and Q, master yi Q applies on hit and Jax E blocks on hit dmg, the other champion will also rely a lot on auto attacking lvl 2
if u see no jungler u know u're getting cheesed so u just pick W and respect, if u don't let ennemy team cheese early they can't snowball and it's basically ff for them
u just go in exp range so u don't get chunked and u're not divable
@@hisoka8202 no i don't think you read what i said. if jax doesn't get lvl 1 e his dead. but if he does then yi and X will crash the wave, yi gets his first strike passive by hitting the turret on minions, then they will engage. if jax presses e, yi will tank the turret for 1sec till it's guaranteed that even if jax hold's his e it won't hit yi. and they just dive him after that, ez.
also, u're not gonna outpush 2 players, and if you try to do anything against it you're dead, cuz yi is simply the highest dps champion. if you don't believe in yi dives then look in yt lol dobby yi top :)
@@wxSHENRON why would u want to push lol ? u're 1v2, just stay in exp range and don't lose HP
jax always take E lvl 1 99.9% of the time
have u ever played yi vs jax ? jax E lasts longer than yi Q, so Yi just gets stunned at the end of the counterstrike => he takes dmg and he can't auto Jax coz he's stunned
yi Q is on-hit and jax E blocks on-hit so u'll take very low dmg, + the other champ is lvl 2 so he only has 2 abilities, most dmg u deal lvl 1 and 2 are from auto attacks
also u can just leash ur jungler that starts topside and then he comes top, u start 2v2 but ur jungler is lvl 2 and they're both lvl 1 and u take prio, if u don't have prio anyway u won game since ennemy didn't kill you with their cheese
@@hisoka8202 what jungler? you are jungler playing double top as the support, i think we're not on the same page here are we?
also yi q is 1 sec, jax e duration is 2sec, after 1 sec jax can recast his e to stun faster. which means if you wait 1 sec + 0.1 sec you won't get hit. usually what yi players do there is hold their w or get their double strike before they q. if you are yi otp you win this, mby if you aren't then you could lose that fight but otherwise yi wins this 100%
people say jg is op but dont realize literally anyone can ruin the game for others, this just shows jg is actually WEAK cause look how much more gold and income you generate by just simply not going in the jungle lol
does china already have 14.1 changes?
seems like the super server has been running 14.1 games, since its just the super server im gonna say they don’t have the patch yet and itll be a global release
Cool translating
This shit doesn't work on a ww top player, they tried it and i got a double kill lol. Can't wait to see more
I legit locked in Master Yi jungle, but because my team troll picked I decided to take ignite instead of smite to force someone to dodge. No one dodged. But we won. And we won easily.
we need see master and fiora project doble top ^^
finally, riot implemented a 2-1-2 laning meta
I really like it, but I highly doubt Riot will allow this to be meta for any remarkable period of time. They seem to hate innovations like this to the meta. At some point they decided the game should always be 1 top, 1 jungle, 1 mid, and 2 bottom. It also seems like a very difficult strategy to pull off, so I don't see it have much success below masters because all of those players are too used to playing the standard way.
They mostly will nerf support itens I guess.
I think its hard to play. Well imagine this: you go duo top, but enemy has a bard roaming up and jungle coming early levels to stop you from killing top. And top knowing its double top against him, doesnt walk up like a bot, but wards the middle bush and stays in exp range. Now your bot lane needs to be a heavy poke lane right, otherwise you cant kill the enemy adc. Watching this video I got the expression of enemy watchingtop like a cuckold, meanwhile it wouldnt be so hard to counterplay "chinese super server"
Dies*
"Second top diff"
it just doesn't feel the same :(
what to do when singed is proxy?
Is it neccessary to have Yi in a double top strategy? I'd love to try this strategy with some other champ that can be as good or better than Yi. If anyone has any recommendations, pls give.
Yi is great since he dive and change turret agro to minions , mabye elise can work but i'm not sure if her dmg can match yi and caccon is harder to land than Yi Q
@@taroken8846 That's a fair point I guess. I have tried a couple of champs for the double top strat but so far only I have been successful only on Warwick, that too simply because the enemy made a mistake of having a 1v1/1v2 trade vs my champ. I guess I'll have to practice Yi to make this strat work.
Wish I have a link to the video
Song please, its for a science project :DarudeSandstorm:
But what happen if when yi is going to dive at lvl 2 enemy jg is going to cover the dive?
Jungle item has no stats so they lose the 2v2 anyways because yi sylas are the most broken early game damage dealers.
@@maxinxin1231 u can just leash ur jungler and then he comes instantly toplane, jgl item gives no stat but ur jungler is now lvl 2 (1 lvl equals 600 gold in term of stats) and has 2 abilities whereas ennemies have 1, ennemy has no counterplay, no cheese early game over
@@hisoka8202 very few champions can straight up solo kill at level 2, let alone kill sylas yi in their wave with a level 1 laner. I've played this strat( sylas yi top) for more than 10 games and I've only lost the first one because we had 0 mastery on the two champions. This is actually insanely broken people don't realize. There is very little counter play especially in uncoordinated solo queue. The original creator has played this hundreds of games on Chinese server in Emerald-Master games. Granted they are a GM duo, but they have only EVER lost 3 games. That tells you this is more than just a cheese but a legit strategy that can lead to victory 95% of the time.
@@maxinxin1231 if they can duo it means their mmr