yo what if i said it doesnt work on tear or sheen items just to start a fight so all the people who cant be bothered to read even like 2 comments down dont think to themselves to write an entirely new comment saying "yo you forgot tear/spellblade/X item" and just juice up this comment chain?
btw going from 30 second cooldowns to 20 is really good for midlaners if you proc it on your lane opponent and then roam to dive a sidelane. would probably be up in time in 20 seconds and might not be if the cooldown were still 30.
I've been messing around with Unending Despair in practice tool, some discoveries for those curious: The item stops proccing once you're out of combat for 5 seconds. Since full stacks of Ingenious Hunter get it below that 5 seconds, it becomes self sustaining. The drain counts as an ability, so it procs Cosmic Drive and Liandry's (the two item combo of Unending Despair and Liandry's is self sustaining without any item haste since Liandry's keeps you in combat for 3 seconds, keeping you below that 5 second threshold at the base 7 second cooldown). Riftmaker and Liandry's bonus damage also scale the damage and healing of the drain at the same ratio (healing increases by 250% of damage). Shojin doesn't work since it specifies "spell" damage as opposed to "ability" damage and Unending Despair does not count as a spell. As always, thanks for the video Nidhogg.
I've been using Ingenious a lot more ever since I started watching you play Fimbulwinter J4, but you're right, it's even better this season. Neat observation with the Luden's interaction.
ive really started going ingenious more whenever i use the domination tree, simply because i feel like its the best out of the other 3 to choose and because of how many items have item cooldown nowadays. Before s14 i remember not a lot of items actually had cooldowns so it felt like not worth going
Would be awesome but i can also see it somehow breaking the game because of riot's spaghetti code. It would probably make it so some items just kept getting lower and lower cooldowns every time you bought and sold something with item haste or something weird like that.
@@yourtsar824 just make the text represent the actual CD of the item… Like the ability tooltips show the actual CD down to decimal points. Do they get lower and lower if you sell and repurchase an item?
it works with Sheen, too! bringing it from 1.5 to about 1. On Vi specifically it's really nice with like triforce or whatever because you have two charges of E and they're both auto resets so you can get a sheen proc reasonably on both of them within a much shorter window.
Also insane with the Sylas Lich Bane Stormsurge combo. Sylas w/ Pred + Stormsurge + Lich Bane + Magic Pen boots: 200 base AP 100-250 + 30% AP base magic damage from Squall 100% and 50% AP damage boost to passive hit from Lich Bane 15 Ability Haste 28 Magic Penetration 45 base movement speed + 13% from stats + extra minimum 50% from Pred + Squall activation + Item Haste from Ingenious Hunter basically synergizing with like... all of the first four items that you'll most commonly build, which are Stormsurge, Lichbane, Zhonya's and the Pred boot's active. Basically all that by, what, Level 14-15/20-25 mins? Lmao. Doesn't even matter if you lost lane as long as you don't get too delayed building those items up, you'll remain relevant for the rest of the game.
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You can also go *even further beyond* with Cosmic Insight, raising the cooldown to 40%. Here's some other benefits of Item CDR beyond powerful items: Tear of the Goddess items allow you to stack them more frequently, leading to a max stack item sooner. Energize effect items charge faster. Fiddlesticks gets more scarecrows more often, allowing him to create more interesting ambushes with use of his trinket.
@@KingNidhogg also reduces the lich bane cd, considering he builds stormsurge rocketbelt and lichbane for his first 3 ive been running first strike ekko jg with ingenious and its literally broken. im talking 1 shotting adc with stormsurge level 7.
Frozen Heart passive aura triggers Unending Despair and Jak'sho, it is a great synergy item with Fimbulwinter too although it will make your build armor heavy, This item combo with Sundered Sky and Keanic Rookern are the only items that work on K'sante this patch, I really should be playing Ingenious Hunter too, Thank you for reminding me :)
Nice video king, really like the combo ingenious + fimbul, i use it always in aram with singed and camille, with camille for a shield bash build with eclipse + fimbul + ER, and my favorite with singed rylais + fimbul, it procs with rylais slows every 5 seconds and the shield lasts for 3 seconds, so you are most of the time with a huge auto proccing shield!! kinda op, i had games with huge numbers in it lol. Really like your content bro ty
Erick your builds make this game fun and creative again, always been a fan of your approach to getting in the nitty-gritty of item/champion/rune synergies.
Also one of my favourites. I love going this, Fimbulwinter, Mandate, Locket & Redemption on Trundle in ARAM (and even Summoner's Rift). My favourite build abusing this is Poppy jungle with Eclipse, Fimbulwinter, Sterak and Gargyole (RIP), combined with Shield Bash and Revitalize. You have 5 shields (combined with your passive) and can even get Spirit Visage last for that 25% increase in shielding.
One thing you forgot to mention ist that it also affects the new support items. It's especially good for Solstice Sleigh which has a base cd of 20 seconds on its effect. A tanky support (Guardian/Domination runes) who can trigger slows nonstop with Unending Despair, Locket and Solstice Sleigh is actually nuts! And yes... I main Bard :D
This reminds me of a fun build I enjoyed last season. I fell in love with Yone and against hp stacking tanks I went ingenious hunter + divine sunderer. As soon as my Q hit the 1.33 second cooldown every Q was a divine sunderer proc. The interactions in your video are interesting too, gotta try some of those out
I've been using it a lot last season, because it speeds up Luden's Echo procs. Pair it with the Support rune that also gives item haste, and you could get 6 second Ludens cooldown.
What’s great on Jarvan, in regards to this rune and Fimbul, is that it allows you to guarantee the item proc off of your W throughout an extended fight -within certain haste thresholds. Allows us non-challenger players to direct our limited bandwidth to other areas of the fight, such as smiting too early😂 We’ve seen you preach this rune for a while, cool to see it getting more acknowledgement with league players.
Shield Sion support build with Sterak's gage rush + ingenious hunter was pretty good.The shield stuff was mainly Guardian, revitalize, ingenious hunter, barrier summoner spell, Sion's W. Sterak's gage + spirit visage was already over 1500 shield every about 40 seconds. Shield bash is pretty good with this.
the finished support items also being reduced in CD makes it insanely valuable. I was gonna do a post or video myself on how good this rune is this season but I think ppl are gonna be catching on
I didn't know Ingenious hunter worked with unending despair because the item doesn't explicitly say the passive's cooldown in parenthesis like every other item cooldown. Its a pretty insane passive to be buffable by item haste. The healing can also proc in stasis for some funny stalling tech but stopwatch is so much more expensive now so it's pretty impractical.
When i play support i love pairing up ingenious hunter and ghost poro, its just useful to scale early, and also for when you upgrade to scanner after getting your ward quest
The best use of Ingenious Hunter is with Sheen items. You go from waiting 1.5s between procs down to about 1s, which is an absolute game changer in terms of how quickly you can chain damage. You will get constant value everywhere, even when trying to shove a minion wave or sneak a jungle camp. Hextech Rocketbelt is beyond fantastic for outplays. Underrated and oft misused item - you aren't always looking for extra damage with it, sometimes it is just a skill-shot dodge or escape tool. Champions that don't rely as much on items for damage can find a lot of value here. I would suggest running it alongside Nashor's Tooth. The two items when run together can do a lot to fight back against tanks/bruisers that normally shrug off AP champion burst. You just kite them like an ADC, and can do so even if your mana is low.
I've been using it the season before because I loved predator(even after it got gutted) and basicly played a full item active build. Also noteworthy the new support items all have quite interesting passives.
thanks for the breakdown. been wondering why people have been playing ap corki (ad with malig 2nd is basically ap) with ingenious instead of ulti. didn't think sheen was worth it and muramana is always stacked fast enough for 2nd item anyway. this really helps me understand the pro builds in a new way. thanks mate
I've been messing with ingenious alot ever since I learned about how it works with spellblade a season or two ago. This season it's definitely one of the runes that gained an absurd amount of power. I definitely wasn't expecting Unending despair to be a cooldown rather than a flat 7 second
Been playing Tresh and zilean with ingenious, its rly insane on almost if not all the support starting items, and then build stuff like redemption and locket
I go to the inspiration page with the item and summoner minor rune and second page ingenious hunter. I play it on maoki with fimbul winter and heartsteel it gets fimbul down to a 4.5-second cooldown. You just live forever because of your passive. It's a shame it isn't on any other rune page. That way, bruisers can actually utilise it better than any champion class that wants to take the domination rune page
yep I've been using this on ahri. easy to stack with roams and then I build ludens (2s recharge instead of 3s), lich bane (1s cd instead of 1.5s) and cryptbloom (40s cd instead of 60), with the option of taking zhonyas or banshees as well of course
Wait, using this on taric's second tree, combined with cosmic insight means that you get 40%cdr on every single item he can build. Solari, zeke, fimbulveitr(charges faster so can buy tear after first item), unending despair, randuin. God, even redemption. Since it works with trinket, you have your red trinket 40% sooner than the ennemy support too. This feels absolutely insane on Taric, more than anyone
I always pick this rune when I plan to build GA in ADCs the reduction in CD is pretty massive. Might pick for experimental hexplate, unending despair and ludens(ludens might be the main one with a poke champ)
Seems pretty good for Pantheon. Normally you would go sorcery for ah and scorch but instead you can go for sudden impact and hunter to get sundered sky and eclipse down to 4 seconds. Getting stacks won't be an issue even if you're playing top due to your ult.
It works really well for supps that builds Umbral Glaive. It allows for changing the red trinket for a blue trinket once you have UG while still having perma unwarding access. I did it for the whole previous season and constantly had insane vision score
Time to start using this on lillia. Treasure hunter is pretty good depending on how fast you want to play but if you feel the need to run zhonyas especially for more than one enemy champ, that can be fantastic. Plus extra wards is always nice. Pair this with cosmic insight and you will be having flash zhonyas super often over everyone else!
I really like it with Briar and Nocturne. Yomuu, maw, GA and sweeping wards constantly. I feel like I always got these items up on a jungler. Since you also go Summoners insight rune I always got these items up and the map is prettt dark for the enemy.
I have been a long time fan of Ingenious hunter. Back when Frostfire was around, I hated how long the CD was for the proc; experimented with this rune, and I never looked back. Truly the most underrated rune in the game.
To be fair, this rune was always rather very useful imo. Many active items before the new season could charge really fast and made it hell for those champs that hate poke or have to burst but you got a shield or zhonyas. I love that rune, even if costs me Ultimate cooldown it makes up for it now or even before.
i have been abusing that on Renata Glasc with 3 actives, redemption, shurelya's and locket, it really makes a difference, but i didn't know it worked with the new tank item that drains enemies, gotta give it a try, thanks!
apparently sudden impact has keystone levels of effectiveness on certain champs early with lethality changes, very interested in seeing how this would work with it. ty king nidhogg for the ingenious huntre technology
@@user-gk5zz3dc7b 9 lethality can EASILY make or break an assassin’s all in combo since every single instance of damage is calculated separately and assassins use multiple sources of damage, not just a single ability. For compiration; Brutaliser gives you 8 lethality. And Serrated Dirk gives you 10. Both of them give you the same AD as Caulfield’s Warhammer but both of them feel way more impactful on an assassin, damage wise. All thanks to the lethality.
This has always been my go-to rune on Pyke because it affects Umbral Glaive, Edge of Night, Trinket, and Guardian Angel, all of which are great items for him already
Hmm with ludens, cryptbloom, stormsurge and some zhonya/banshee, might be worth on mages, on support too since it works on wards and they might use a lot of items with cd. Others tho... I dont think there are many tanks that prefer domination tree, bruisers usually go for precision/resolve combination but honestly I can see some of them working well with this and sudden impact like Irelia or Riven. Assassins I think prefer ultimate and relentless hunter over ingenious because some of them highly depend on their ult or they simply want more movement speed for better map pressence and roams
I've been using ingenious hunter even before season 14. Zoe with Crown + Lich bane was an annoying build before. Now I can go Ludens + Stormsurge + Protobelt. Don't need to hit a bubble when you can just kill someone with one Q
After being inspired by this I did a Eclipse, Sundered Sky, Unending despair Aatrox build with ingenious and I have to say it is so broken. You just get random fucking heals everywhere and if more than 2 people are next to you you are functionally immortal while in R. The unending despair heal also gets buffed by Aatrox R's self healing and you just get 400-500 heals randomly in fights.
I wounder if it also reduces things like Oppurtunity recharge and if so it could be rely good on blue kayn since he can go in, do his dmg. Dip back out and fly around for 5 seconds for his passive to come back up and for opportunity to recharge since it could go from 8s to like 5.66s if thats how it works and then go back in again.
Can you do a season 14 new item guide including its synergies with runes and possible champions? It would be a great help especially for kinda new players like me! Love your vids
I used this rune as it is legit 1v2 rune if u played eclips champion(instead of 1 proc and death i was getting 3- most of time blocked damage was 5k+). Even Sheen items on jax did about 25-30% more damage for me( and im not good at cancling autos or using it right-gold1 peek). If me who is trash can have such a value, then high elo jgers and top should make it even more broken as it give cooldown to wards and oracle.
Rek'Sai. She uses sheen, Eclipse, Titanic, Sundering Sky, and she can build unending despair. She has perfectly synergy with this, I imagine other champs could do the same too
i was playing on my smurf yesterday and just thinking about running that on a bruiser. Sundered sky passive + titanic hydra active CDs at full stacks is insane. Didnt get to build eclipse but that thing also sounds disgustingly strong on Bruisers with heavy AD ratios like Wukong, Lee Sin, Xin zhao
Could be tech on some tanks, but toplane you really dont wanna go domination tree secondary really on any tank I can think of, inspiration or sorcery kinda just always works and is probably better alot of the time. Maybe on a resourceless/low mana cost toplane champ?
as an aram one trick this rune is a always on my buildl; tanks, support, assassin, adr, especially mages. Anything and everything has cooldown now and with it you basically have double the spells and passive.
I know you said ADCs won't find much use for it, but I actually really like Enginiest Hunter on Ezreal. He tends to end up with just a little too much CDR, so his Q can fire again before Spellblade can hit again, and Ezreal can actually make some pretty good use out of Eclipse as well.
I have almost always taken in genius every time I think I’m building ludens, eclipse, or any other item with a cd and no active, I’d go as far as to say it matters even more on those
I've been using that rune since it exists, it's soon good on some champs. I'm an ARAM player so I often build fimbulwinter, so I try to always have igneious hunter.
yo what if i said it doesnt work on tear or sheen items just to start a fight so all the people who cant be bothered to read even like 2 comments down dont think to themselves to write an entirely new comment saying "yo you forgot tear/spellblade/X item" and just juice up this comment chain?
actually nidhogg it works so ur wrong lol
Lol
btw going from 30 second cooldowns to 20 is really good for midlaners if you proc it on your lane opponent and then roam to dive a sidelane. would probably be up in time in 20 seconds and might not be if the cooldown were still 30.
You forgot divine sunderer
I've been messing around with Unending Despair in practice tool, some discoveries for those curious: The item stops proccing once you're out of combat for 5 seconds. Since full stacks of Ingenious Hunter get it below that 5 seconds, it becomes self sustaining. The drain counts as an ability, so it procs Cosmic Drive and Liandry's (the two item combo of Unending Despair and Liandry's is self sustaining without any item haste since Liandry's keeps you in combat for 3 seconds, keeping you below that 5 second threshold at the base 7 second cooldown). Riftmaker and Liandry's bonus damage also scale the damage and healing of the drain at the same ratio (healing increases by 250% of damage). Shojin doesn't work since it specifies "spell" damage as opposed to "ability" damage and Unending Despair does not count as a spell.
As always, thanks for the video Nidhogg.
awesome finds yeah i noticed it just permanently kept going and assuming it was keeping itself on
might be good for raidboss vlad
woah those sound like cool finds for raidboss/attrition sylas. rift even gives AH which is nice
So you're saying if I play a champ like Udyr with Despair, Riftmaker, Liandry's, Abyssal Mask, I would be a HELLA ap tank?
Sounds insane on DoT champs especially Swain.
I've been using Ingenious a lot more ever since I started watching you play Fimbulwinter J4, but you're right, it's even better this season. Neat observation with the Luden's interaction.
You should have seen this+ old luden with Brand 1 ability and its back up. It was criminal in no tank comps xd
Sol mains have been enjoying Luden's with Ingenious for quite awhile now, it's pretty fun; give it a go or two
ive really started going ingenious more whenever i use the domination tree, simply because i feel like its the best out of the other 3 to choose and because of how many items have item cooldown nowadays.
Before s14 i remember not a lot of items actually had cooldowns so it felt like not worth going
I just wish Item Haste affected the tooltips of items and actually showed the item cooldown go down in regards to your total Item Haste.
Would be a huge w for game clarity ngl
Would be awesome but i can also see it somehow breaking the game because of riot's spaghetti code. It would probably make it so some items just kept getting lower and lower cooldowns every time you bought and sold something with item haste or something weird like that.
@@yourtsar824 nah item text seems hard coded, just gotta make it dynamic, shouldnt even brick anything even considering riots codebase
@@yourtsar824 just make the text represent the actual CD of the item… Like the ability tooltips show the actual CD down to decimal points. Do they get lower and lower if you sell and repurchase an item?
tough ask, idk if riot has the budget guys
it works with Sheen, too! bringing it from 1.5 to about 1. On Vi specifically it's really nice with like triforce or whatever because you have two charges of E and they're both auto resets so you can get a sheen proc reasonably on both of them within a much shorter window.
Also insane with the Sylas Lich Bane Stormsurge combo.
Sylas w/ Pred + Stormsurge + Lich Bane + Magic Pen boots:
200 base AP
100-250 + 30% AP base magic damage from Squall
100% and 50% AP damage boost to passive hit from Lich Bane
15 Ability Haste
28 Magic Penetration
45 base movement speed + 13% from stats + extra minimum 50% from Pred + Squall activation
+ Item Haste from Ingenious Hunter basically synergizing with like... all of the first four items that you'll most commonly build, which are Stormsurge, Lichbane, Zhonya's and the Pred boot's active.
Basically all that by, what, Level 14-15/20-25 mins? Lmao. Doesn't even matter if you lost lane as long as you don't get too delayed building those items up, you'll remain relevant for the rest of the game.
Really excellent video dude, love the edits and straight forward breakdown of good use cases
Yo I could be wrong but I’ve noticed you’ve been going up and up in popularity since the inclusion of the arena mode and I genuinely am happy to see that happen. You’ve always been an excellent informative source for league as well as entertaining akin to Sajam in the FGC community and I hope people keep pouring in. Have a great year
You can also go *even further beyond* with Cosmic Insight, raising the cooldown to 40%.
Here's some other benefits of Item CDR beyond powerful items:
Tear of the Goddess items allow you to stack them more frequently, leading to a max stack item sooner.
Energize effect items charge faster.
Fiddlesticks gets more scarecrows more often, allowing him to create more interesting ambushes with use of his trinket.
problem is incorporating both trees - i can see this working with dark harvest/first strike users to do both trees. ekko comes to mind.
"Energize effect items charge faster." okay now I am interested.
They don't actually charge faster I've tested this a few times@@quatron9561
@@KingNidhogg also reduces the lich bane cd, considering he builds stormsurge rocketbelt and lichbane for his first 3 ive been running first strike ekko jg with ingenious and its literally broken. im talking 1 shotting adc with stormsurge level 7.
it's actually 37.5% not 40%
mad content lately erick much love bruh
Frozen Heart passive aura triggers Unending Despair and Jak'sho, it is a great synergy item with Fimbulwinter too although it will make your build armor heavy, This item combo with Sundered Sky and Keanic Rookern are the only items that work on K'sante this patch, I really should be playing Ingenious Hunter too, Thank you for reminding me :)
Nice video king, really like the combo ingenious + fimbul, i use it always in aram with singed and camille, with camille for a shield bash build with eclipse + fimbul + ER, and my favorite with singed rylais + fimbul, it procs with rylais slows every 5 seconds and the shield lasts for 3 seconds, so you are most of the time with a huge auto proccing shield!! kinda op, i had games with huge numbers in it lol. Really like your content bro ty
Erick your builds make this game fun and creative again, always been a fan of your approach to getting in the nitty-gritty of item/champion/rune synergies.
faster tear stacking as well can allow very early (and effective) fimbuls with the new reduced cost
Also one of my favourites. I love going this, Fimbulwinter, Mandate, Locket & Redemption on Trundle in ARAM (and even Summoner's Rift).
My favourite build abusing this is Poppy jungle with Eclipse, Fimbulwinter, Sterak and Gargyole (RIP), combined with Shield Bash and Revitalize. You have 5 shields (combined with your passive) and can even get Spirit Visage last for that 25% increase in shielding.
One thing you forgot to mention ist that it also affects the new support items. It's especially good for Solstice Sleigh which has a base cd of 20 seconds on its effect. A tanky support (Guardian/Domination runes) who can trigger slows nonstop with Unending Despair, Locket and Solstice Sleigh is actually nuts! And yes... I main Bard :D
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Your educational content is so good. To the point, interesting and even hought-provoking
This reminds me of a fun build I enjoyed last season. I fell in love with Yone and against hp stacking tanks I went ingenious hunter + divine sunderer. As soon as my Q hit the 1.33 second cooldown every Q was a divine sunderer proc.
The interactions in your video are interesting too, gotta try some of those out
Very good yeah it comes down to 1
i was literally thinking of exactly this rune being op yesterday ty for all cd breakdowns
I've been using it a lot last season, because it speeds up Luden's Echo procs. Pair it with the Support rune that also gives item haste, and you could get 6 second Ludens cooldown.
Thanks for teaching me how to spell the ruun injinius hunter correctly
What’s great on Jarvan, in regards to this rune and Fimbul, is that it allows you to guarantee the item proc off of your W throughout an extended fight -within certain haste thresholds. Allows us non-challenger players to direct our limited bandwidth to other areas of the fight, such as smiting too early😂
We’ve seen you preach this rune for a while, cool to see it getting more acknowledgement with league players.
Shield Sion support build with Sterak's gage rush + ingenious hunter was pretty good.The shield stuff was mainly Guardian, revitalize, ingenious hunter, barrier summoner spell, Sion's W. Sterak's gage + spirit visage was already over 1500 shield every about 40 seconds. Shield bash is pretty good with this.
This is some clean editing Erick
the finished support items also being reduced in CD makes it insanely valuable. I was gonna do a post or video myself on how good this rune is this season but I think ppl are gonna be catching on
I didn't know Ingenious hunter worked with unending despair because the item doesn't explicitly say the passive's cooldown in parenthesis like every other item cooldown. Its a pretty insane passive to be buffable by item haste. The healing can also proc in stasis for some funny stalling tech but stopwatch is so much more expensive now so it's pretty impractical.
Had this exact argument, its not worded like a cooldown
@@awesomeguydj8810 yeah by this logic sunfire cape should also be affected by item cdr
Stopwatch is still in the game? And i thought they finally made a good balance change to remove it...
@@dizknots9357 Its no longer a free rune item and its built into zhonyas armguard with ap and stuff.
@@dizknots9357 It cost 1300 gold now with stats good luck 😂
When i play support i love pairing up ingenious hunter and ghost poro, its just useful to scale early, and also for when you upgrade to scanner after getting your ward quest
The best use of Ingenious Hunter is with Sheen items. You go from waiting 1.5s between procs down to about 1s, which is an absolute game changer in terms of how quickly you can chain damage. You will get constant value everywhere, even when trying to shove a minion wave or sneak a jungle camp.
Hextech Rocketbelt is beyond fantastic for outplays. Underrated and oft misused item - you aren't always looking for extra damage with it, sometimes it is just a skill-shot dodge or escape tool. Champions that don't rely as much on items for damage can find a lot of value here. I would suggest running it alongside Nashor's Tooth. The two items when run together can do a lot to fight back against tanks/bruisers that normally shrug off AP champion burst. You just kite them like an ADC, and can do so even if your mana is low.
For the last one it is worth noting that it also works with Fiddle's effigies which has always been "broken" and worth more than ulti cdr imo
Loved the guide btw!
Have you tested with the new support items? I could see some insane ZakZak uptime (every 1.5s with burn maybe) or the other more supportive options
I've been using it the season before because I loved predator(even after it got gutted) and basicly played a full item active build.
Also noteworthy the new support items all have quite interesting passives.
I've been doing ingenious fimbulwinter before in s13 when I play ARAM and the unending despair+ fimbulwinter is definitely disgusting combo right now.
yep there’s been so many builds to try with ingenious especially as support. Includes things like mandate and sleigh for trundle support 😎
thanks for the breakdown. been wondering why people have been playing ap corki (ad with malig 2nd is basically ap) with ingenious instead of ulti. didn't think sheen was worth it and muramana is always stacked fast enough for 2nd item anyway.
this really helps me understand the pro builds in a new way. thanks mate
This rune was ridiculous on Lee Sin when goredrinker was still a thing, it also reduce ward cooldown to allow frequent W-ward dashing
Love the educational professor niddhog vibes! Great vid
I can think of a few support which would benefit from this greatly. Now to fit domination as secondary runes on a sup build…
I've been messing with ingenious alot ever since I learned about how it works with spellblade a season or two ago. This season it's definitely one of the runes that gained an absurd amount of power. I definitely wasn't expecting Unending despair to be a cooldown rather than a flat 7 second
I've been rocking sundered sky, fimbulwinter and unending despair ingenious hunter poppy since start of season, feels sooo good
Been playing Tresh and zilean with ingenious, its rly insane on almost if not all the support starting items, and then build stuff like redemption and locket
I go to the inspiration page with the item and summoner minor rune and second page ingenious hunter. I play it on maoki with fimbul winter and heartsteel it gets fimbul down to a 4.5-second cooldown. You just live forever because of your passive. It's a shame it isn't on any other rune page. That way, bruisers can actually utilise it better than any champion class that wants to take the domination rune page
yep I've been using this on ahri.
easy to stack with roams and then I build ludens (2s recharge instead of 3s), lich bane (1s cd instead of 1.5s) and cryptbloom (40s cd instead of 60), with the option of taking zhonyas or banshees as well of course
It also works both on jaksho and heartseel which synergize well with the new heal-tank item
Wait, using this on taric's second tree, combined with cosmic insight means that you get 40%cdr on every single item he can build. Solari, zeke, fimbulveitr(charges faster so can buy tear after first item), unending despair, randuin. God, even redemption. Since it works with trinket, you have your red trinket 40% sooner than the ennemy support too. This feels absolutely insane on Taric, more than anyone
Love these sorts of videos
I always pick this rune when I plan to build GA in ADCs the reduction in CD is pretty massive. Might pick for experimental hexplate, unending despair and ludens(ludens might be the main one with a poke champ)
Seems pretty good for Pantheon. Normally you would go sorcery for ah and scorch but instead you can go for sudden impact and hunter to get sundered sky and eclipse down to 4 seconds. Getting stacks won't be an issue even if you're playing top due to your ult.
It works really well for supps that builds Umbral Glaive. It allows for changing the red trinket for a blue trinket once you have UG while still having perma unwarding access. I did it for the whole previous season and constantly had insane vision score
pyke with umbral glaive then youmuus then edge of night goes hard
@@MrDraco981 Nah, chads plays Senna.
Time to start using this on lillia. Treasure hunter is pretty good depending on how fast you want to play but if you feel the need to run zhonyas especially for more than one enemy champ, that can be fantastic. Plus extra wards is always nice.
Pair this with cosmic insight and you will be having flash zhonyas super often over everyone else!
I really like it with Briar and Nocturne.
Yomuu, maw, GA and sweeping wards constantly. I feel like I always got these items up on a jungler. Since you also go Summoners insight rune I always got these items up and the map is prettt dark for the enemy.
actually thanks for this, it will be helpful for sure
It's also useful for sheen in some cases, for example for proccing sheen every yasuo/yone q
Ive always wondered the use of that rune but never thought about it too much and holy shit ive been missing out
Ingenious hunter with support items is like having a fifth ability.
I have been a long time fan of Ingenious hunter. Back when Frostfire was around, I hated how long the CD was for the proc; experimented with this rune, and I never looked back. Truly the most underrated rune in the game.
If I'm not mistaken you can stack tear faster with the help of ingenious hunter.
Also, having Sheen on a 1 second cd sounds good, too.
Correct I was just too lazy to do every item
To be fair, this rune was always rather very useful imo. Many active items before the new season could charge really fast and made it hell for those champs that hate poke or have to burst but you got a shield or zhonyas. I love that rune, even if costs me Ultimate cooldown it makes up for it now or even before.
Ingenious and hubris stacks would be a cool interaction
bro you seduced the algorithm with this one, not even clickbait, do you intend to keep this style? I enjoy it
it also helps stack tear faster which is kind of good to know
i have been abusing that on Renata Glasc with 3 actives, redemption, shurelya's and locket, it really makes a difference, but i didn't know it worked with the new tank item that drains enemies, gotta give it a try, thanks!
apparently sudden impact has keystone levels of effectiveness on certain champs early with lethality changes, very interested in seeing how this would work with it. ty king nidhogg for the ingenious huntre technology
would that make a difference in 1v1 for example ?
@@user-gk5zz3dc7b 9 lethality can EASILY make or break an assassin’s all in combo since every single instance of damage is calculated separately and assassins use multiple sources of damage, not just a single ability. For compiration; Brutaliser gives you 8 lethality. And Serrated Dirk gives you 10. Both of them give you the same AD as Caulfield’s Warhammer but both of them feel way more impactful on an assassin, damage wise. All thanks to the lethality.
It was already amazing last season, but this season it’s absolutely insane.
With all these actives and passives coming out, with cds.
This has always been my go-to rune on Pyke because it affects Umbral Glaive, Edge of Night, Trinket, and Guardian Angel, all of which are great items for him already
I used to use full item cdr builds last season and with ghost poro you can have an area perma warded
Hmm with ludens, cryptbloom, stormsurge and some zhonya/banshee, might be worth on mages, on support too since it works on wards and they might use a lot of items with cd. Others tho... I dont think there are many tanks that prefer domination tree, bruisers usually go for precision/resolve combination but honestly I can see some of them working well with this and sudden impact like Irelia or Riven. Assassins I think prefer ultimate and relentless hunter over ingenious because some of them highly depend on their ult or they simply want more movement speed for better map pressence and roams
I played a game of Heartsteel + Sundered Sky on Mundo jungle with ingenious and it was very good, I got Unending Despair in late game too.
Been using Ingenious hunter for a year and a half, it's the most sleeper rune out there. Kinda glad most people haven't caught on to how good it is.
the Josh Hutcherson image on the 4.69 cooldown got me
With the remove of ability haste on most ad assassin items i think this will be the best for Champs like Qiyana.
I've been using ingenious hunter even before season 14. Zoe with Crown + Lich bane was an annoying build before. Now I can go Ludens + Stormsurge + Protobelt. Don't need to hit a bubble when you can just kill someone with one Q
I've been using it on Pyke for years now. Umbral and trinket cooldown lets me clear all wards in existence
After being inspired by this I did a Eclipse, Sundered Sky, Unending despair Aatrox build with ingenious and I have to say it is so broken. You just get random fucking heals everywhere and if more than 2 people are next to you you are functionally immortal while in R. The unending despair heal also gets buffed by Aatrox R's self healing and you just get 400-500 heals randomly in fights.
I wounder if it also reduces things like Oppurtunity recharge and if so it could be rely good on blue kayn since he can go in, do his dmg. Dip back out and fly around for 5 seconds for his passive to come back up and for opportunity to recharge since it could go from 8s to like 5.66s if thats how it works and then go back in again.
Can you do a season 14 new item guide including its synergies with runes and possible champions? It would be a great help especially for kinda new players like me! Love your vids
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I used this rune as it is legit 1v2 rune if u played eclips champion(instead of 1 proc and death i was getting 3- most of time blocked damage was 5k+). Even Sheen items on jax did about 25-30% more damage for me( and im not good at cancling autos or using it right-gold1 peek). If me who is trash can have such a value, then high elo jgers and top should make it even more broken as it give cooldown to wards and oracle.
I use it a lot. Even last season. Pyke with umbral and edge of night goes hard with it
Rek'Sai. She uses sheen, Eclipse, Titanic, Sundering Sky, and she can build unending despair. She has perfectly synergy with this, I imagine other champs could do the same too
Another informative banger thanks king
i was playing on my smurf yesterday and just thinking about running that on a bruiser. Sundered sky passive + titanic hydra active CDs at full stacks is insane. Didnt get to build eclipse but that thing also sounds disgustingly strong on Bruisers with heavy AD ratios like Wukong, Lee Sin, Xin zhao
fully stacked ingenious hunter, and cosmic insight, makes sheen (and other items that build with it half a second cd
imagine if ninja had a low taper fade
Could be tech on some tanks, but toplane you really dont wanna go domination tree secondary really on any tank I can think of, inspiration or sorcery kinda just always works and is probably better alot of the time. Maybe on a resourceless/low mana cost toplane champ?
as an aram one trick this rune is a always on my buildl; tanks, support, assassin, adr, especially mages. Anything and everything has cooldown now and with it you basically have double the spells and passive.
dantes taught me how op this rune really is, been using it ever since
Now I gotta decide if I want ingenious or ultimate hunter on Vi
thank you for sharing your insights
I know you said ADCs won't find much use for it, but I actually really like Enginiest Hunter on Ezreal. He tends to end up with just a little too much CDR, so his Q can fire again before Spellblade can hit again, and Ezreal can actually make some pretty good use out of Eclipse as well.
yeah but cosmic insight does it already
I've been using that rune last season as well mainly on lethality MF with ghostblade umbral glaive and edge of night
Ingenious on toplane Maokai with Heartsteel, Fimbul, and Unending is looking pretty spicy 👀
yeah, its insane. i used to play full item haste vi mid, was crazy
its called ingenious hunter because its a rune for jgs/hunters. I use it for edge of night and ghostblade, then its speed ganks all day.
yo i LOVE ingenus hunter good video
I love ingineous hunter with unending despair
Fantastic video
Great editing
I have almost always taken in genius every time I think I’m building ludens, eclipse, or any other item with a cd and no active, I’d go as far as to say it matters even more on those
i love ingenerous hunter!!
Also could be fun on a blitz with zekes convergence
I've been using that rune since it exists, it's soon good on some champs. I'm an ARAM player so I often build fimbulwinter, so I try to always have igneious hunter.