@KatBjorky I'm really glad you like this :D Thank you for taking the time to write such a thoughtful comment. The relationship between Lady Dedlock and Rosa has been long guessed at and very much discussed. I've read many papers on the mother/daughter feeling that the pair shared and then I've read the suggestion of it crossing the boundaries into something more intimate. This was just an interpretation that I wanted to explore :) And I like a challenge! I love the film and the book!
Very lovely video, been watching it repeatedly the past week :) My favorite part is at the end when Lady Dedlock walks in on Tulkinghorn and Rosa, when the strings in the music comes to life and frames Honorias face , at 2:53 I'm not on board with Lady Dedlocks and Rosas relationship as it is represented here, I think it's more about finding that mother daughter thing she's missed out on... but I really love this vid too much to be too bothered by it ;)
I feel in the torment of Lady Dedlock, with the sudden news of a daughter she thought was long dead, even with a supposed 'dead' lover turning up just blocks from where she has been living, has been a deep shock on her well being. It has been, as Gillian has also said of the character, that she has long kept her secrets deep, and in the holding, it can kill ones desires to even live or be interested in life any longer, a hit we get right from the start. News of finding she has a daughter, then also find she is fighting for her life with the pox, is even more shattering to her. The maid who was so loyal, is then taken in, as that is the only true contact she can have with her daughter. Thus, she loves Rosa as a daughter as well. She has adopted to treat her as far as, again, society will permit. The tight constraints of the times were fixated on standards men decided to keep. Women had 3 choices of living. A lady, a servant, or a prostitute. Loose your good standing and you no longer was accepted into anything, so you then had prostitution, or the river, which many also chose. One of the most famous cases in France of the day, was over a letter of reference for a Governess. A Lady was murdered by her husband over the said letter. As without it, the woman would never work again. The same woman was held in prison, and later released, as they could not prove she was involved in the murder case. She then married in American minister of the Field family. Henrietta Field became a teacher again in that country. Dickens was well aware of the many double standards of his time, and wrote about them very effectively. I really rather doubt it was about homosexuality at all, but a statement of how past actions can hurt us in the wrong hands, and even when we may be married to someone, we never really know them well> Had she trusted her husbands love for her, rather than the current sentiments of past wrongs can ruin you, she would have told him, and thus the lawyer would have had no grip over her life. Her husband could have cared less about her past, he loved her as she was, even in her distant, and sometimes rude ways. Dickens also wrote about the wrongs we assume and place upon children and the 'station' by which they are born in, as he often wrote about orphans. The one in this story does have a more happy ending, in spite of the loss of her mother. She is reminded however since childhood that 'she is nothing, and her mother was nothing as well.' The burdens placed upon children and being 'legal' offspring was huge. It was not until 1940's that the law in North America was changed for those termed as 'bastards' were now persons who could hold a government job! They were kept from such positions as they were deemed to be 'unfit in character' to be trusted enough for such positions. There were many other offices one could not hold as well. I am glad those times are gone, as I would also be one left in the 'dust'. Lady Dedlock knew well how station was regarded, and any taint would and often did mean the death of one. She would at all cost, even to herself, save the servant and her daughter from future harm. For her there was only one answer. When she heard the lawyer was no longer around to impede her, she took it with both hands. Modern ideas, and what really were in the past can get rather unnecessary blurred lines. It was as it was then. It is a murder case, mystery, and a statement on the many aspects of how people pursue their lives. The young man and his many 'aspirations' was a very interesting study of someone who had no idea what he wanted to do, except be rich. Period. In the end he also learned a valuable life lesson about obsessions. The grafters who would look for any way to get a buck. The crooked lawyers and judges who held up peoples lives just because they had the power to do so and line their pockets while doing it. We do get all this and perhaps even more today, just with different means and masks. Even the little lawyer who had not so great a mom, falling obsessively for his supposed angel, stocking her in an attempt to win her over, is a character from life. Dickens took all he saw around him and simply gave us the stories. Even the names are a ' dead' give away! Lady Dedlock (and the spelling was no accident) ...no where to run, no where to go, but dance with death? We already know there is a sad note to learn from this persons story. We do make of them what we will, but, if we also keep the times in context, we gain insight into a time gone by, and maybe, just maybe, learn from them. I enjoy the classics, but I am also sad to remember the many who have lived such lives and were run over by the power and greed of others. As a human race we do have far to go yet. The hope is that we will learn to value our lives, and those around us more than we currently do, with gratitude rather than the sense that 'justice' must be ours, no matter the cost. As we see in this story, justice is the freedom to be understood, forgiven, and above all, loved for who we are, mistakes and all. I think Dickens would be sad to note, we have yet to learn that and other particular lessons. Cheers Vicki.
@@denisecouchman9289 Well, thank you so much! The story felt almost personal to me, and often, history is misconstrued to mean more than what it actually was. There was enough to deal with in those times for any woman trying to survive the system. Men had the power, and women were still 'chattel' under the law, and unless devastatingly rich, they had no power for themselves. This lady had no wealth herself, and at this stage of her life, she was depressed and tired of her life most of the time. Have a great day, and keep enjoying the 'classics':) Cheers!!
@PrincessSunlynn It's very much left to the viewers imagination. I'm not even sure if Lady Dedlock is meant to play it that way. If it's meant to be another type of relationship. But Gillian plays it VERY gay. And I love every second of it.
@kitnkabootle Your welcome :D Interesting that you've read so much about it, it makes this video even more special. Nothing wrong with exploring different aspects. I do find this version very interesting and I don't have anything against it but I already made my choice of what their relationship means to me:) Hope you make more Dedlock vids btw;) You're awesome!!
@AmidTheFallingSnow That is actually what Dickens would have you believe ;) But I much prefer to give it this scandalous side instead! I am glad you liked it! And yes yes yes I can make recs for you :D
Cool! I interpreted their relationship in a different way: that Lady Deadlock was trying to replace her lost daughter, or the memory of her, by trying to be as motherly as possible to her new maid. But when you edit the clips like that...I see what you mean, there definitely were some interesting undertones with the portrayals of those characters. Great video, you always manage to surprise me!
Are a couple of these scenes even in the mini series? I've watched now on Hulu twice and haven't seen them. Is there like a deleted scenes library I don't know about? I'm referring to the scenes in which Lady Dedlock kisses Rosa's hands.
@dantilyable Some of us can find wonderful saphic undertones in anything. This was one interpretation. Feel free to interpret that Lady Dedlock was actually part vulcan and had returned from the future to live among humans and study their historical past. It's up to you! :D
I definitely got the impression that Lady Dedlock liked girls as well as boys, and I've seen an analysis of the novel that suggests that Lady Dedlock is in love with Rosa and Esther is in love with Ada.
I really liked this! And I think it would have been my interpretation of it too! Most definately! I never watched Bleak House, so I'm only guessing that Lady Dedlocks feelings were quite intense ones? Love Gillian Anderson too! :)
@chatte578 My Story? The secret is that Lady Dedlcok is having an affair on her husband with her lady's maid. Gasp. The real story? Lady Dedlock got pregnant by a man who disappeared. The baby "died" at birth and twenty years later she is married to a man and the secret resurfaces and threatens to make a mockery of the Dedlock name.
Man I couldn't like any character in this, not even Esther. Everyone had their problems, their madness, their darkness. The only one I pitied and liked was Jo....
Did she win any awards for this? Absolutely deserved to.
Gillian Anderson plays the role of Lady Dedlock brilliantly it's a shame Dickens only reunited Lady Dedlock with Esther for a short amount of time
Gillian Anderson is a goddess.
Absolutely so!
@KatBjorky I'm really glad you like this :D Thank you for taking the time to write such a thoughtful comment. The relationship between Lady Dedlock and Rosa has been long guessed at and very much discussed. I've read many papers on the mother/daughter feeling that the pair shared and then I've read the suggestion of it crossing the boundaries into something more intimate. This was just an interpretation that I wanted to explore :) And I like a challenge! I love the film and the book!
Dickens always supplied undertones in his characters. With the focus on these two it was clear they were intimate.
Great lady dedlock. So well played. I work with a lawyer who would have been an absolutely amazing Mr Tulkinghorn 😂😂
Love this video so SO much. Thank you!
Love it!!! You've made me think about watching bleak house again ^^
Very lovely video, been watching it repeatedly the past week :)
My favorite part is at the end when Lady Dedlock walks in on Tulkinghorn and Rosa, when the strings in the music comes to life and frames Honorias face , at 2:53
I'm not on board with Lady Dedlocks and Rosas relationship as it is represented here, I think it's more about finding that mother daughter thing she's missed out on... but I really love this vid too much to be too bothered by it ;)
Great great great. I love it so much
@kitnkabootle "Gillian plays it VERY gay" LOL, love it! she is so hot!
I feel in the torment of Lady Dedlock, with the sudden news of a daughter she thought was long dead, even with a supposed 'dead' lover turning up just blocks from where she has been living, has been a deep shock on her well being. It has been, as Gillian has also said of the character, that she has long kept her secrets deep, and in the holding, it can kill ones desires to even live or be interested in life any longer, a hit we get right from the start. News of finding she has a daughter, then also find she is fighting for her life with the pox, is even more shattering to her. The maid who was so loyal, is then taken in, as that is the only true contact she can have with her daughter. Thus, she loves Rosa as a daughter as well. She has adopted to treat her as far as, again, society will permit. The tight constraints of the times were fixated on standards men decided to keep. Women had 3 choices of living. A lady, a servant, or a prostitute. Loose your good standing and you no longer was accepted into anything, so you then had prostitution, or the river, which many also chose.
One of the most famous cases in France of the day, was over a letter of reference for a Governess. A Lady was murdered by her husband over the said letter. As without it, the woman would never work again. The same woman was held in prison, and later released, as they could not prove she was involved in the murder case. She then married in American minister of the Field family. Henrietta Field became a teacher again in that country.
Dickens was well aware of the many double standards of his time, and wrote about them very effectively. I really rather doubt it was about homosexuality at all, but a statement of how past actions can hurt us in the wrong hands, and even when we may be married to someone, we never really know them well> Had she trusted her husbands love for her, rather than the current sentiments of past wrongs can ruin you, she would have told him, and thus the lawyer would have had no grip over her life. Her husband could have cared less about her past, he loved her as she was, even in her distant, and sometimes rude ways.
Dickens also wrote about the wrongs we assume and place upon children and the 'station' by which they are born in, as he often wrote about orphans. The one in this story does have a more happy ending, in spite of the loss of her mother. She is reminded however since childhood that 'she is nothing, and her mother was nothing as well.' The burdens placed upon children and being 'legal' offspring was huge. It was not until 1940's that the law in North America was changed for those termed as 'bastards' were now persons who could hold a government job! They were kept from such positions as they were deemed to be 'unfit in character' to be trusted enough for such positions. There were many other offices one could not hold as well. I am glad those times are gone, as I would also be one left in the 'dust'. Lady Dedlock knew well how station was regarded, and any taint would and often did mean the death of one. She would at all cost, even to herself, save the servant and her daughter from future harm. For her there was only one answer. When she heard the lawyer was no longer around to impede her, she took it with both hands.
Modern ideas, and what really were in the past can get rather unnecessary blurred lines. It was as it was then. It is a murder case, mystery, and a statement on the many aspects of how people pursue their lives. The young man and his many 'aspirations' was a very interesting study of someone who had no idea what he wanted to do, except be rich. Period. In the end he also learned a valuable life lesson about obsessions. The grafters who would look for any way to get a buck. The crooked lawyers and judges who held up peoples lives just because they had the power to do so and line their pockets while doing it. We do get all this and perhaps even more today, just with different means and masks. Even the little lawyer who had not so great a mom, falling obsessively for his supposed angel, stocking her in an attempt to win her over, is a character from life. Dickens took all he saw around him and simply gave us the stories. Even the names are a ' dead' give away! Lady Dedlock (and the spelling was no accident) ...no where to run, no where to go, but dance with death? We already know there is a sad note to learn from this persons story.
We do make of them what we will, but, if we also keep the times in context, we gain insight into a time gone by, and maybe, just maybe, learn from them.
I enjoy the classics, but I am also sad to remember the many who have lived such lives and were run over by the power and greed of others. As a human race we do have far to go yet. The hope is that we will learn to value our lives, and those around us more than we currently do, with gratitude rather than the sense that 'justice' must be ours, no matter the cost. As we see in this story, justice is the freedom to be understood, forgiven, and above all, loved for who we are, mistakes and all. I think Dickens would be sad to note, we have yet to learn that and other particular lessons.
Cheers
Vicki.
+Vicki k Gibson This is the longest comment I've ever had on any of my videos. I am a little speechless, to be honest.
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Wonderfully written very detailed personal summary of the ‘Lady Deadlock’ ‘situation ‘ I so enjoyed reading what you wrote ! 🌷
@@denisecouchman9289 Well, thank you so much! The story felt almost personal to me, and often, history is misconstrued to mean more than what it actually was. There was enough to deal with in those times for any woman trying to survive the system. Men had the power, and women were still 'chattel' under the law, and unless devastatingly rich, they had no power for themselves. This lady had no wealth herself, and at this stage of her life, she was depressed and tired of her life most of the time. Have a great day, and keep enjoying the 'classics':)
Cheers!!
@PrincessSunlynn It's very much left to the viewers imagination. I'm not even sure if Lady Dedlock is meant to play it that way. If it's meant to be another type of relationship. But Gillian plays it VERY gay. And I love every second of it.
@kitnkabootle Your welcome :D Interesting that you've read so much about it, it makes this video even more special. Nothing wrong with exploring different aspects.
I do find this version very interesting and I don't have anything against it but I already made my choice of what their relationship means to me:)
Hope you make more Dedlock vids btw;)
You're awesome!!
@AmidTheFallingSnow That is actually what Dickens would have you believe ;) But I much prefer to give it this scandalous side instead! I am glad you liked it! And yes yes yes I can make recs for you :D
Cool! I interpreted their relationship in a different way: that Lady Deadlock was trying to replace her lost daughter, or the memory of her, by trying to be as motherly as possible to her new maid. But when you edit the clips like that...I see what you mean, there definitely were some interesting undertones with the portrayals of those characters. Great video, you always manage to surprise me!
Are a couple of these scenes even in the mini series? I've watched now on Hulu twice and haven't seen them. Is there like a deleted scenes library I don't know about? I'm referring to the scenes in which Lady Dedlock kisses Rosa's hands.
excellent series it looks
@dantilyable Some of us can find wonderful saphic undertones in anything. This was one interpretation. Feel free to interpret that Lady Dedlock was actually part vulcan and had returned from the future to live among humans and study their historical past. It's up to you! :D
I definitely got the impression that Lady Dedlock liked girls as well as boys, and I've seen an analysis of the novel that suggests that Lady Dedlock is in love with Rosa and Esther is in love with Ada.
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thanks
I really liked this! And I think it would have been my interpretation of it too! Most definately! I never watched Bleak House, so I'm only guessing that Lady Dedlocks feelings were quite intense ones? Love Gillian Anderson too! :)
I love this :D
this seems like a great show , what was the secret she kept that the guy was going to spill, was the the end of the two, great job i love it
@chatte578 My Story? The secret is that Lady Dedlcok is having an affair on her husband with her lady's maid. Gasp. The real story? Lady Dedlock got pregnant by a man who disappeared. The baby "died" at birth and twenty years later she is married to a man and the secret resurfaces and threatens to make a mockery of the Dedlock name.
I dont get why ppl are surprised this happened all the time
Man I couldn't like any character in this, not even Esther. Everyone had their problems, their madness, their darkness. The only one I pitied and liked was Jo....
Why ruin this with such abysmal music?
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