These games couldn't get weirder.

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  • Опубликовано: 30 янв 2025

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  • @ezzygd2521
    @ezzygd2521 День назад +144

    The whole thing coming full circle with True finally making two sunkens in the end is just so hilarious honestly

    • @somekindoflandcow
      @somekindoflandcow День назад +19

      He finally overcame his Sunken Cost Fallacy... 😭

  • @WontonTV
    @WontonTV День назад +69

    'Sunken cost fallacy' is when I think they cost 125 minerals to make, forgetting the cost of the drone.

  • @infl8r2012
    @infl8r2012 День назад +50

    These games couldn't get weirder, but this channel can always get more chills.

  • @michaelcallisto
    @michaelcallisto День назад +59

    I kept looking at the time remaining in the video wondering how the heck the game wasn't gonna end in 10 seconds.

  • @FlymanMS
    @FlymanMS День назад +19

    There are games that go according to complex plans and most modern meta, and there are games that feel like a dumpster fire being put out with flammable materials. This one was definitely the latter and I really enjoyed it.

  • @youtubeviewer4472
    @youtubeviewer4472 День назад +28

    Craziest game in a while and I'm pretty sure he DIDN'T say it gave him chills. I think Artosis needs predictable games done at a high level to get chills.

    • @bubblegumtate3384
      @bubblegumtate3384 День назад +1

      He gets chills when people do something either innovative or very skilled, so no chills for this clown fiesta.

    • @SchemingGoldberg
      @SchemingGoldberg День назад +1

      We need to assign our top Chillology scientists to study this phenomenon.

  • @mfbplays
    @mfbplays День назад +12

    "Sunken" cost fallacy has a whole new meaning

  • @jonnyrbgomes
    @jonnyrbgomes День назад +8

    i think what cost the game for the Terran was the amount of times the marines weren't shooting despite the lair being in range

  • @TheNekruss
    @TheNekruss День назад +41

    What I've learned this game:
    1. Don't make Sunken Colonies and build your Lair at the Natural.
    2. Bait the Terran into trading his army for buildings HPs while keeping your army nice and healthy.
    3. Use your army to destroy the enemy when they have no army left.
    ...
    PROFIT!

    • @zhuzhong74
      @zhuzhong74 День назад +11

      Build 2 sunkens at the end to BM

    • @kirilnikov8070
      @kirilnikov8070 День назад +6

      If he didn't build his Lair on the expansion, probably the hatch should be dead at the first Jyj attack and will cost him the game. Lairs have more HP than Hatches.

    • @LordMephilis
      @LordMephilis День назад

      This is the way,

    • @AnimeFan-wd5pq
      @AnimeFan-wd5pq День назад

      4. Opponent guns down all your drones
      *gru looks back*
      4. Opponent guns down all your drones

    • @LoLaSn
      @LoLaSn День назад

      @@kirilnikov8070 I think most zergs lair the expo, so it was to be expected

  • @paulkruger7934
    @paulkruger7934 День назад +8

    that rally with muta after muta after muta flying through the turrets hurt my brain so much

    • @EebstertheGreat
      @EebstertheGreat День назад +6

      For a good while, every ling that came ran past the bunker and died, every muta that came flew past turrets and took a ton of damage, and every overlord being produced rallied past the turrets and died.

    • @LordMephilis
      @LordMephilis День назад +3

      He just thought. "Well I want them in his base, maybe they will get there," and clicked

  • @ThaatEpicKitten
    @ThaatEpicKitten День назад +18

    I’ve actually laughed the whole time this cast. This was amazing

    • @kerviuskuroshiba5120
      @kerviuskuroshiba5120 День назад +2

      Indeed! JyJ's Natural look liked my bases when I used to play as a kid! So Nostalgic!!🤣🤣🤣

  • @wilshireanasurimbor3068
    @wilshireanasurimbor3068 День назад +10

    "Sunk cost fallacy", unless you purposefully said 'sunken' for the memes.

  • @crazymike401
    @crazymike401 День назад +77

    Spoiler blocker

    • @slkjvlkfsvnlsdfhgdght5447
      @slkjvlkfsvnlsdfhgdght5447 День назад +1

      thank you!

    • @crazymike401
      @crazymike401 День назад +1

      @ so hyped I think I’m the one that got the spot!!!!

    • @TheOneEd83
      @TheOneEd83 День назад

      Should have built bunker next to rax after killing lair

    • @LoLaSn
      @LoLaSn День назад

      @@TheOneEd83 Wouldn't have really done anything, 11 mutas would wreck it in 4 volleys

  • @ShadowCoH316
    @ShadowCoH316 День назад +5

    hilarious that both of these games featured a wild comeback from what looked like a winning position

  • @PianoCat-Music
    @PianoCat-Music День назад +23

    short summary: "yeah this might be a quick anticlimactic game; nevermind he didnt finish the layer, not great for JYJ; nevermind he's gonna loose the layer oh my god, hard to imagine JYJ losing this; nevermind TRUE is actually gonna win this; hold on can JYJ win?"

  • @beniowski5079
    @beniowski5079 День назад +3

    So glad to see you posting more TvZs! This is my favourite matchup.

  • @Deaven50
    @Deaven50 День назад +20

    7:50 Sunken colony fallacy? :P

  • @therealviceroy
    @therealviceroy День назад +5

    Artosis after most games: I know that was a cheese that went unscouted but let's take a look at a few key moments to learn from.
    Artosis after this game: what you've just done is one of the most insanely idiotic matches I have ever seen. At no point in your flailing, button mashing response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational play. Everyone in this room is now worse at broodwar for having seen it. I award you no MMR, and may Flash have mercy on your soul.

  • @AsukiKuro
    @AsukiKuro День назад +1

    I remember Arty saying before moving to Canada that his new content is gona be his best ever yet. Did not disappoint.

  • @bleepbloop6234
    @bleepbloop6234 День назад +1

    Secret action starts at 8:15... Watch those two little dots leaving the terran base.
    8:55 They kill 5 drones
    9:10 Turn around to go home
    9:43 hero marines return to their bunker and receive no praise for their mission.
    9:55 Luckily, he does have two marines in here....

  • @SemiProSushi
    @SemiProSushi День назад +1

    Artosis I seriously LOVE your SC casts. They are my absolute favorite and it's given me my love for this game back, i'm not as good as Flash or Speed but I still love playing it, nothing has ever come close to capture the RTS feel as SC1 has.

  • @mcmarkmarkson7115
    @mcmarkmarkson7115 День назад +7

    "Insane games insane games, I don't know if we learned anything!"
    Those are the most fun games :D

  • @TheSuperappelflap
    @TheSuperappelflap День назад +11

    RT, what you are talking about is "sunk cost fallacy".
    Sunken cost fallacy is what True does, build too little sunkens and then end up losing more because you didnt want to invest the cost of the sunkens.

    • @ozar_midrashim
      @ozar_midrashim День назад +1

      Indeed, good observation there. Sunken cost, for example, would be adding 2 more sunken colonies on top of 3 already existing, that do the job. Initial 3 sunkens would be an "opportunity cost". Ideally, players want minimal defense to boost their economy, but that strategy can and does often end in sudden defeat.
      That is why pros really don't neglect defense. They've just trained to react at the exact time to prevent the push.

    • @TheSuperappelflap
      @TheSuperappelflap День назад +2

      @@ozar_midrashim Brood War players are very good at making static defense usually. I cant even get my IRL friend who is masters in SC2 to build a bunker on his third base with Terran. He knows its always the right play to just put one bunker there and put a marine in it to aggro runby's that come in so they cant just A-move the mineral line and clear it in 5 seconds, but he refuses to do it.
      Let alone watching pro games and just watching people lose to ling runby over and over again because they refuse to build a bunker with a few depots in front of it when they play against a zerg that they know goes for ling runby's every game.

  • @aaronscales544
    @aaronscales544 День назад +2

    7:54 “Sunken cost fallacy” - pun intended? 😂

  • @phoenixlich
    @phoenixlich День назад +1

    9:48 "Terran together strong." -Artosis 2025

  • @bubblegumtate3384
    @bubblegumtate3384 День назад

    This game was absolute comedy, just constantly one-upping how silly each attack and defense got, so good.

  • @Based_YT_Enjoyer
    @Based_YT_Enjoyer День назад +5

    My man really wanted that lair 😂

    • @ozar_midrashim
      @ozar_midrashim День назад +1

      It has all of the required openings.

  • @thuperman5228
    @thuperman5228 День назад +3

    If the Zerg Nuked the Terran that would be pretty Weird.

  • @JosephWeidinger
    @JosephWeidinger День назад +1

    It's crazy how I much I look forward to this daily Artosis video. Every. Day.

  • @andallthatcouldhavebeen...9175
    @andallthatcouldhavebeen...9175 День назад

    Damn, that was an insane match! Looks like a done deal, then edge of your seat action! Then it’s totally over again, then more action!!

  • @luke211286
    @luke211286 День назад

    Mike Tyson: Everyone has a plan until they got one-shot'ed by swarms of mutalisks at will

  • @TNMJAD
    @TNMJAD День назад

    Cool to learn the prequel story to the artosis pylon. I was only aware of the OG pylon story in SC2.

  • @MartinNygård-p7c
    @MartinNygård-p7c День назад

    You fd up the counter on the top base. I was looking at minimap and channaling my inner Artosis yelling SHOW THE GOD DARN 3RD!!!😂

  • @Stingray-mz1ph
    @Stingray-mz1ph День назад

    You are the highlight of my recommended feed, never stop

  • @highwind81
    @highwind81 День назад

    "I don't know if we learned anything" What a perfect commentary to end this game.

  • @localneo-graphic4647
    @localneo-graphic4647 День назад

    11:18 Don't be mean, sure he may only have 2 heavily damaged marines in a bunker, where armor doesn't matter, but he still has exactly one barracks making more.

  • @GraveUypo
    @GraveUypo 10 часов назад

    i think this was the coolest game ive seen you cast

  • @connorhilchie2779
    @connorhilchie2779 День назад

    This game felt more like a campaign mission where your base is almost wiped and you rebuild because the AI didn't finish you
    Love the videos Arty, keep it up

  • @anah.7876
    @anah.7876 День назад +1

    7:01 such a great moment for Zerg in general tho. As Sarah Kerrigan through & through, I loved that.

  • @tohothewriter8002
    @tohothewriter8002 День назад +7

    That opening observation about decision trees is why SC2 1v1 is so boring and stale. Always the same choices, always the same results, inconsequencial of what passes for a balance team that doesn't entirely predicts the impact of proposed changes ahead of time and is reactionary at best. Don't get me wrong, decisions are important, but flexibility and adaptability are far more valuable than making the right decision for the right outcome in the right situation... You know?
    I do enjoy these small commentaries on player behavioral reasoning and mentality. Please do more of them!

    • @Picaroon9
      @Picaroon9 День назад +1

      I wonder how much the difference in how high ground impacts things. You can get some truly bullshit rng that makes things real weird.

    • @MoonJung82
      @MoonJung82 День назад

      Starcraft 2 was probably the most fun in WoL, before people figured out broodlord infestor of course.

  • @kerviuskuroshiba5120
    @kerviuskuroshiba5120 День назад +1

    I swear these players feel like they just finished hangin' out. Eating Korean Fried Chicken and Drinking Soju before deciding to try playing a few matches🤣😅 What a crazy and fun match to watch. Great to have games like these 👍

  • @combcomclrlsr
    @combcomclrlsr День назад

    Only thing missing from SC is formations and formation control. Old game called Midem Wars in the 80s had it.

  • @TooMuchToCareAbout2
    @TooMuchToCareAbout2 День назад

    My favorite part was 5:52
    "Uhhhh....." 😂😂😂

  • @drewwalbeck6006
    @drewwalbeck6006 День назад

    It's wild the way this match up can turn on a dime

  • @michaeljordan215
    @michaeljordan215 День назад

    Imagine being able to play 2v2, but each side shares 1 build. That could be fun. 1 works on macro and the other can do micro. That would be next level exciting.

  • @skyvipers
    @skyvipers День назад

    Origin story of the OG Artosis Pylon confirmed.

  • @adcfffffffffffffffff
    @adcfffffffffffffffff День назад +1

    I wished my wife would love me as much as artosis loves starcraft

  • @Larsgman
    @Larsgman День назад

    Lunch ✅
    Arty cast upload ✅
    CHILLS: *OPTIONAL*

  • @throeawae2130
    @throeawae2130 День назад

    1:16 artosusan becoming the poet laureate of starcraft lol
    7:42 another gem

  • @localneo-graphic4647
    @localneo-graphic4647 День назад

    7:42 Pyrrhic victories are the best victories, I know that feel.

  • @youuuuuuuuuuutube
    @youuuuuuuuuuutube День назад +1

    Should have built a million turrets after sacrificing the marines for the hatch.

    • @RochaHigor
      @RochaHigor День назад

      Just a pro player doesnt know that

  • @timberrecycling
    @timberrecycling День назад

    i have no idea why the youtube algo fed me this channel, but this is exactly what i am here for.

  • @ticenits1926
    @ticenits1926 День назад

    Comedy of damage, I don’t know if we’ve learned anything, lol well put.

  • @malhalael
    @malhalael День назад

    If this game had happened during the SSL everyone would have lost their minds

  • @justiceforallcreation
    @justiceforallcreation День назад

    i would love to see this again, but JYJ using speed vultures instead of marines

  • @jamesgraessle7295
    @jamesgraessle7295 День назад

    Hey RT! (guys don't forget to leave a like and make sure we're all subscribed, to help the sport grow!)
    1:36 11 hatch from true, a little different. i think this usually goes into a slightly later lair with quite a few more drones. 11/10/12 hatch/pool/gas is jumping out in my head as the common way to play this, but that may be wrong.
    2:01 ok... 11/11/10. i'm pretty sure i've never seen that. the hatch will pop slightly sooner and you'll get maybe 1 more larva this way? maybe it's harder to build a bunker against this with an 8 rax? difficult to understand the point here. seems like this is just a lower econ version of the 12/11/10 without a lot of upside.
    2:49 uh... wat? so he gets 6 drones to be pulled, because he sends a second SCV? should we all just be sending our second SCV to the zerg base because they'll lose their minds? If terran gets ONE drone he should be super happy here.
    3:09 OH! i get it. starting the hatch on 11 lets him lair at his nat. if the nat EVER dies you lose anyway, and the lair has more health. that's kinda cool actually.
    5:13 well it looks like he's gonna need all the health on that lair he can get because this looks VERY scary!
    6:33 ok! and the lair at the nat becomes very important! hatch would have been long dead, here!
    8:32 ok. so uh. as mentioned.... losing the lair and nat... is REALLY bad. then again, apart from the facts that his nat is DEAD and he's got no lair at 8:30, with no lurker aspect started, his position looks wonderful! loads of mutas, terran's army is dead, third is done and mining... so we'll see if true can make a game of this. It's interesting that JYJ is making seige tanks because actually a valkyrie push is just curtains, here, there's no way lurkers can come in time when you have to rebuild the lair, that's 2:06 total time to rebuild the lair and start and finish lurker aspect, at which point, he won't have a main anymore. that'll be like 11 minutes time in game. True has to cripple JYJ with his mutas RIGHT now.
    9:20 ok, so uh... ordinarily, this is an instant win for Z. however that's Z with a natural and a lair. again, he has no lair and no lair coming. if true clicks lair, JYJ actually has 2 minutes AFTER that before lurkers can start, he has an armory and a starport, he'll go valks, he's building turrets around the mutas, obviously he can't just let the mutas kill all his raxes, but his economy is mostly intact atm. let's see how this goes.
    11:10 i love the overlords dying to turrets, for the uninitiated, to get the mutas to stack you group them with an overlord that is far away from them. true is forgetting to send them back to the corner lol.
    11:27 ok, so... zerg STILL has no lair, and is now supply blocked, and hasn't rebuilt his nat. you can actually play 1 base against 2 for a while, even if Z can make lurkers.... this is wild. can true actually finish him? he's rebuilding an e-bay which he will float so he can build turrets at his nat, this is so crazy!
    12:36 ok, so Z is retaking his nat, finally, but we're still minimum 2 minutes from lurkers and he can't even get +2 flyer carapace without the lair! this is so nuts. hydra den? RT, he's got no lair! he can't go lurker!
    13:42 ok! mark your calendars. at 15:40 or so, he can start lurkers.
    14:14 valkyrie push vs no lurkers! this could definitely win!!
    SCOURGES THE VALKS AND JYJ TAPS OUT! GG!
    THANKS FOR A WILD ONE, RT!!
    Edit: it's interesting because sending those 5 marines allowed him to almost start to come back, but it also is what let True get on top of production so easily rofl. 5 more marines on those turrets may have made a difference! imagine if say.... 3 more mutas die there, as he dives on the turrets? kills the base a lot more slowly, gets wittled down a lot harder by turrets, valkiries, marines that pop out... who knows! crazy game.

  • @julkiewitz
    @julkiewitz День назад

    When artosis is very very old and is on a deathbed and gives up the ghost, will he make a sound effect like a dying marine?

  • @snealbli
    @snealbli День назад

    7:12 we've all been there Arty. The ol' "screw it, I am *killing* that ____, even if it kills me IRL!" tunnel vision. It happens. Especially to us Terran chads 😎 too much testosterone ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

  • @shamefulbrainbot4742
    @shamefulbrainbot4742 День назад +2

    Sunken cost fallacy 😂😂

  • @bigmike-
    @bigmike- День назад

    Mutas being able to stall out turrets by just floating on top of them is... honestly something that should be patched.

  • @hugodsa89
    @hugodsa89 День назад

    We’ve learnt about decision trees and sunk cost fallacies lol

  • @lifenote1943
    @lifenote1943 День назад +2

    I felt the chills

  • @houndofzeus
    @houndofzeus День назад

    That might be some of the worst use of valkyries I’ve ever seen. Do nothing while you’re losing your main, then go across the map and immediately eat scourge

  • @somekindoflandcow
    @somekindoflandcow День назад

    Honestly I think I agree with Arty here; actually finishing off the Lair is the real victory here today

  • @JSNDragon
    @JSNDragon День назад

    This literally had the same feel that KCM finals did. Everyone is just playing so weird.

  • @spicoledude
    @spicoledude День назад

    Would have loved to see Terran pull that off

  • @robertoromerro
    @robertoromerro День назад

    This yellow i call "Koala orange". That is, the arrow's colour on the thumbnail.

  • @Aphasiesc2
    @Aphasiesc2 День назад

    Definitely opposite world :)
    I agree about the turrets in general, but this game really was in the bag for YSC and he let the cat out. It's definitely easy to miss in the heat of the moment.
    Generally speaking, if you kill a finished z 3rd, you're way a head. If you kill the nat, the game is almost won as it also hiccups both supply lines and mining effiency. If the lair is there, all you have is lean back into your economy and let the math solve itself, cuz there's no godly lurker spines to flip the script. So distributing damage to drones and overlords instead of whittling down the army was a win-more move which ended up costing him.
    Every player knows this when they think about it, but when the pressure is on, anything can happen. Loved it tho

  • @StarCraftNoobTrainer
    @StarCraftNoobTrainer 23 часа назад

    that tetris for jonas caught me off-guard xD

  • @coolguyASDQWEFEWFADSFAS
    @coolguyASDQWEFEWFADSFAS День назад

    glad jonas got a shoutout, RIP. tetris for jonas.

  • @CptFitzgerald
    @CptFitzgerald День назад

    The question that just occured to me and now will forever bother me is: how does a geyser form on floating space platform maps?

  • @chongli297
    @chongli297 День назад +3

    We have learned something: marines are extremely unstable as a backbone unit for your army. They can either do a ton of damage and win or they can get wiped out quite easily. Sometimes the difference between the two outcomes depends on one micro move here or there. It's not as bad as Wings of Liberty (where all your marines evaporate instantly due to a single fungal or baneling hit) but it's still extremely volatile. I think this instability is why SK Terran may be falling out of favour. No matter how good you are, even the top pros in the world can't play consistently enough to deal with it

    • @Mathos93
      @Mathos93 День назад

      Its just critical mass, do you have enough marines? Yes or no. No room for middle ground.

    • @ozar_midrashim
      @ozar_midrashim День назад

      Someone said it the best. Marines are just ranged, more expensive Zerglings. Especially when without Medics.

  • @michaelbird9148
    @michaelbird9148 День назад

    Interesting game. True has great potential! Hoping he cleans some pieces of his game up to go along with that decisive mentality. Was painful seeing him lose five mutalisks to the natural. Then it's always rough watching valkyries get wrecked.

  • @ozar_midrashim
    @ozar_midrashim День назад

    I like my decision trees with both True AND False.

  • @amai2307
    @amai2307 День назад

    I mean mutas are already out, it is full 1800 hp, could go main and kill all drones instead.

  • @ygunayer
    @ygunayer День назад

    I'm beginning to think these guys are playing 5D chess by pushing themselves in weird situations just to see if/how they can come back from them.

  • @phoenixlich
    @phoenixlich День назад +1

    Zerg is so HYPE!!!

  • @stevejohncockram
    @stevejohncockram День назад

    THESE GAMES COULDN'T GET CHILLIER.

  • @samuelb469
    @samuelb469 День назад

    How does he know to send those marines to that base at the top of the map?

  • @laszloleventevarga6442
    @laszloleventevarga6442 День назад

    What a chaotic game

  • @johnnyboy3563
    @johnnyboy3563 День назад

    I was screaming at my monitor when you clicked on the mini map at 8:35 and 8:43. How do you not see those white dots moving???

    • @bleepbloop6234
      @bleepbloop6234 День назад

      lmao when Artosis said "he does have 2 marines in this bunker" the marines had just returned from running to the opposite corner of the map to kill all of the drones.

  • @jedrzejplaskacz3464
    @jedrzejplaskacz3464 День назад

    I don't understand why terrans start building their second barracks so far from main cc. Because of that they have to build 3 sets of turrets (main, rax, natural) instead of 2 (main plus rax and natural). There has to be more optimal base setup than starting 3 independent turret clusters with potential to be attacked by mutas.

  • @fyrestorme
    @fyrestorme День назад

    220+ apm and he goes for +1 armor for bunkered rines
    I guess apm isn't everything. I'm just playing through the campaign again and even I don't do this unless I've already won the mission and have tons of extra resources left.

  • @brazilstreets7955
    @brazilstreets7955 День назад

    What a rollercoaster of chills

  • @Gamerextra1029
    @Gamerextra1029 День назад

    Sunken Cost Fallacy goes brrrrrr

  • @redmage2k
    @redmage2k День назад

    Hey, Artosis, love the casts.
    A few days ago you mentioned that you were a competitive MTG player, what format did you play? You strike me as a Modern player.

  • @TrapMagius
    @TrapMagius День назад

    That sure was a game.

  • @SovietGrazz
    @SovietGrazz День назад +2

    Why have the valk idle while the entire main was being wrecked by muta? Just send it in. Slowing down the base burning down would have been so worth.

    • @seraphimconcordant
      @seraphimconcordant День назад

      He wanted to save it for his later push. His push actually would have been deadly as he was about to add a 4th Valk in, which would have wrecked the muta, but he was worried about lurkers so he needed to go and not wait.

  • @eddie-booth
    @eddie-booth День назад +2

    hello artosis in addition to wishing you a nice poop i must ask if the sunken cost fallacy explains why true hates building sunkens

  • @mf_________
    @mf_________ День назад

    Ah, Artrosis casts.

  • @coreydrees9328
    @coreydrees9328 День назад

    Hey Artosis I just wanted to let you know that you're GOATED.
    Thanks

  • @levitasanimi1635
    @levitasanimi1635 День назад

    Why we dont have sttarcraft on steam?

  • @RochaHigor
    @RochaHigor День назад +1

    Pro players tries to optimize so much that they die to pretty obvious things

  • @fifthofascalante7311
    @fifthofascalante7311 День назад

    Exquisitely entertaining game.

  • @nguyen.tien.phat1310
    @nguyen.tien.phat1310 День назад

    idc whatever people say, Z is freaking OP, with muta spam especially at early game. They got aoe attacks, they dont even need to stack up sometimes, just 1 run-by and a whole chunk of units is gone in an instance. Dont get me to tell you about defilers and dark swarms. Sometimes it feels unfair to play against Z players

  • @wojciechszeler2
    @wojciechszeler2 День назад

    The pylon story 🤣

  • @ultradevo
    @ultradevo День назад +1

    These look like my D rank games

  • @magicsofa
    @magicsofa День назад

    TETRIS FOR JEFF

  • @Gwanzan3325
    @Gwanzan3325 День назад

    Brood War is the best game ever made.

  • @Savagez77
    @Savagez77 День назад

    I got the first chills!