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The DC Comics character Shazam was originally called Captain Marvel and was created by a company called Fawcett Comics . Marvel also has a few characters by the name Captain Marvel as well, most notably being Carol Danvers. So who actually owns the name "Captain Marvel"? More specifically, how did the trademark slip through DC's grasp and end up in the hands of the folks over at Marvel? Today, we're learning about the interesting history and legal issues surrounding the Captain Marvel copyright and trademark in comics to see what really happened!
For the record, I know that Shazam is an acronym. I had written that in the original script but cut it out because it didn't flow well in the final draft. My point is that it's weird to me that "Shazam" originated in this comic and wasn't taken from somewhere else. It's too perfect of a word!!!
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Captain Marvel (Shazam) has always been one of my favorites. Being a bullied kid, and seeing a character who could say one magic word and turn into a strong super hero... I was totally on board with that!
If they knew you'd become Shazam, they'll never mess with you again
Exactly!! :)
Garrett Lohuis I wish I could like your comment a million times!
***** *types a bunch of stuff into keyboard* There! I hacked his comment so you can.
Lol, I though the dc one pick captain marvel because if he said his name is shazam he'll convert back to billy Batson
Billy Batson, the TRUE Captain Marvel
the 2nd is Mar-Vell Kree warrior
@TutorialBoy45 because DC cannot use it. Marvel has the legal rights to it. in the 50s Whiz Comics used the name until they got sued by DC.
wayne stumbo well watch young justice they still call him captin marvel
Yes
I agree 100p
Billy the original Captain Marvel is the best.
Who is my favorite Captain Marvel, you ask?
One word
SHAZAM!!
+That1Valentian After the first part of his reign, where he was wise, how much wisdom did Solomon really have? Turned away from his religion, spent lavishly on temples and palaces, had more wives than Don Juan and Cassanova combined could handle! These scandals and others weakened Israel after he was gone. So the old wizard probably should have used Socrates maybe? Also would have been more in line with the Greco-Roman mythology of the others. And there were even Brand X Captain Marvels. I used to have 6 issues? (I think) of a weird android one in red with a bizarre split power. Less said about that one the better.
Do you mean Captain sparkle fingers
Solomon sounds like a fun dude
Skye Dragon6 DC has Greek and Roman Gods in their comic books just like Marvel, but they don’t have Norse Gods like Thor in their comics, so of course SHAZAM is an acronym for the many many various Greek Gods in the Greek pantheon of Greek mythology.
River Greystoke II SAME
Personally my favourite captain marvel is captain marvel. I've never been a big fan of captain marvel and captain marvel.
But what about captain marvel?
I agree with you that one is the best
Youre both wrong Captain Marvel is actually the best
Shyolite please Captain Marvel is just a copy of Captain Marvel
Oh come on, this just like arguing about who is the best Robin (its Robin). And captain marvel came two years before captain marvel so he isn't a rip off.
Billy Batson is my fave. His New 52 run was simply an incredible piece of work.
Also he stole every scene he was in in Young Justice.
LostMercenary99 I totally agree!
Most of his stories weren't that great in the new 52
Really? :( I thought his revised origin was incredible.
LostMercenary99
(Sorry for the length)
I said it wasn't that great, not that it's bad. Honestly after the New 52 to me he became one of many (as TV Tropes says) Jeak with a Heart of Gold, which I'm not particularly found of.
It's not bad, but one of the thing I loved about the original interpretation is no matter what happened in his life he was fairly optimistic and even if it was difficult believed in being good because it was the right thing to do.
While in the New 52 (while maybe more realistic) has a cynical look on the world, is arrogant, and when dropped off at his new foster family's home in a backup issue he make one of his new foster siblings Darla cry. (Also in the JL: War movie he's also a pitpocket who steal Victor Stone's jersey for the lol's)
Again I don't find it bad, but one of the thing I feel in love with the character (namely his optimist and kind heart) wasn't in the foreground as much anymore
I agree that he is insufferable in JL War but then again so is that entire movie. Piece of crap that it is.
Shazam is and always will be Captain Marvel.
Facts
S:Wisdom of Solomon
H:Strength of Hercules
A:Stamina of Atlas
Z:Power of Zeus
A:Courage of Achilles
M:Speed of Mercury
$HĀŻÂM
This is what I got on here to say. Super annoying that he said it was just a made-up word that didn't mean anything.
Split-Xam! WOW! That's a great name for a yoga academy!
BurnRoddy I desperately need that to be a real place!
jajjajajjajajaj
Billy Bastion will always be Captain Marvel to me. No matter who owns that name.
Agreed. I absolutely loved his part in Frank Miller's Dark Knight books.
Actually, it is Billy Batson.
Robert Polanco (Saying in Saitama's Voice) Okay.
cancerjuly1989 yea
@@cancerjuly1989 billy bastion is a bastion main in overwatch
I was looking up my Grandfather Robert Hebberd who was an illustrator for Fawcett in the 1940's. He was an illustrator for Captain Marvel #37. Now I have to look up the Ms. Marvel to see if I remember the comic from the 70s, 80s. Thanks for the update.
Billy Batson will always be Captain Marvel.
the dc 1 came out 1st so the marvel 1 should change they"res
No
That's right
@@Redkodiak1994 Fawcett Comics had it first not DC Comics.
Billy Batson is the Captain Marvel. Everyone else is imitating.
CJ Zanders how?
CJ Zanders I can see why some would be but besides them.
@@marvelousnerd8717 Captain Marvel (Billy Batson has been around since the 1940's)
Yeah but just because they have the same name doesn't mean they're imitating. Carol Dancers and Billy Batson are very different characters. Same goes for Mar-Vell and detachable limb guy
I want to like your comment a billion times
Marvel Just Confirmed One of The Phase 4 Movies: "Captain Marvel VS. Captain Marvel ft. Captain Marvel"
Spoiler: Captain Marvel Wins
+YoloCraftFTW Plays no way* fucking dumbass
Bull shite, Captain Marvel could never beat Captain Marvel!
+none
Both would get rekt by Captain Marvel, though.
Donovan Larsen Yeah in your dreams, THAT Captain Marvel is way over-hyped.
That Captain Marvel could not hold a candle to them.
+Brodie The Pirate The movie is call, "A Marvel movie: Captain Marvel vs Captain Marvel ft. Captain Marvel"
Just to get back at Marvel DC should create characters called: Private Marvel, Sergeant Marvel, Colonel Marvel, Admiral Marvel, Commander Marvel, General Marvel, President Marvel, Prince Marvel, Princess Marvel, King Marvel and Queen Marvel.
And they should make a team of those characters named F.U. Marvel, obviously standing for First Unit Marvel, What else would FU Marvel stand for?
Lol.
You left out (assuming you're sticking with Marine Corps/Army/Air Force ranks) Airman Marvel, Corporal Marvel, Lieutenant Marvel, and Major Marvel. But since you tossed in Commander, that also leaves Seaman Marvel, Chief Marvel, Ensign Marvel, Lieutenant Commander Marvel, Commodore Marvel (or Rear-Admiral Lower Half if you want the up to date rank) and Admiral Marvel.
Shazzam should be called Mr.Marvel
Erik Larsen created a Batman ripoff character called Sgt Marvel for his creator owned Image comic Savage Dragon. Mary might be TV's Sgt. Marvel but they'd have to fight Larsen for the comics rights lol.
www.writeups.org/sergeant-marvel-savage-dragon-comics/
i always enjoyed the first Captain Marvel for Marvel-- The Kree, Mar-vel (wow, that was confusing). I liked the wider cosmic tone to the series and the connection to Rick, Hulk's friend. Jim Starlin's "Death of Captain Marvel" graphic novel remains a classic to this day. I remember that is was a sad but satisfying story which includes none other than Thanos himself. Great memories... I'm pretty sure the next Guardians of the Galaxy movie will have Mar-vel as Star Lord's father even though Gunn denies it.
Captain Marvel (Shazam) is my all time favorite comic book character. I would love to see more about him. Anything really. Even if it is really corny or campy. I Just LOVE HIM!
Hes finally getting his own live action movie something that is long overdue
Mar-vell was my favourite incarnation of Captain Marvel by a long chalk. Jim Starlin's run on the title is well remembered but It's Steve Englehart's time writing it that I love best. He wrote intelligent but accessible sci-fi that, if it had appeared in today's comic book world, would have had every chance of being a great success. Personally I think Marvel are crazy to have just let the Mar-vell character slip away. The Englehart and Starlin stories, plus his appearances in The Avengers such as the Kree/Skrull War and the tying up of the Warlock stories show just how much potential the character had.
Billy will always be Captain Marvel for me, mainly due to the popular superhero parody here in the Philippines called Captain Barbell. He's this frail teenager who turns into a super-buff hero whenever he lifts his magical barbell and yells "CAPTAIN BARBELL!" It's beautiful.
senor PachuChay... Captain barbell was ridiculous😂 it's f*cking rip off
lololol
yeah fellow filipino
senor PachuChay y e s
I miss Captain Barbell bro
Isn't it about time, Philippine cinema produce our own shared universe with heroes like Capt. Barbell and Darna?
As I knew the DC version first as I recall, SHAZAM was an anagram for Solomon (Wisdom) Hercules(Strength), Achilles (Courage), Zeus (Dominion or power), Atlas (Stamina), and Mercury (Speed). we learned this in the old 80s cartoon intro.
Wow, never knew that.
Captain Marvel: A human 10 year old boy who found a wizard who gave him the abilities of six gods when he shouted the word Shazam which was the first letter of each of the gods names put together.
Superman: An alien sent from a dying planet who was found by humans and raised as one who is powered by the sun.
Totally the same, I can't believe Fawcett thought they could get away with that, just like Marvel thinking no one would notice that Iron Man is clearly Batman. I: *hopes people understand what I meant with this comment*
MysteriousTomJenkins I pointed out in other comments that it was a lot of little things that added up. But the biggest one probably being how Roscoe Kent Fawcett told his team to specifically create a Superman character, only make him a boy. That definitely hurt their case.
*****
I did hear that and figured that would hurt it but it's still not really much of a rip off. A similar costume and similar powers but their origin, powers, alias, and stories are different. Sounds to me like they were simply mad Captain Marvel was a bigger hit. I noticed that when ever him and Superman are in any sort of conflict Superman wins easily or Cap is taken out easily, at least from instances I have seen.
It's funny because it's actually the costume, powers, alias, and stories that were the biggest factors in showing that Captain Marvel was a ripoff. The costume is the weakest to me, it's just a hero that wears red. Big deal. But the powers were pretty similar. You have to remember at this time Superman only had the power of super speed, super strength, and invulnerability. Captain Marvel basically mimicked those powers with the added bonus of him flying as well. The aliases was similar too. Both Clark Kent and Billy Batson worked in the newspaper industry. And the deciding factor in the trial made by the judge was that the stories told in Captain Marvel and Superman were too similar. In this case, it was simply a lot of little things that added up looking bad for Fawcett.
*****
I guess that is true, sadly it wasn't like today where Captain Marvel can use lightning and Superman has all his crazy powers, it may have been different then.
MysteriousTomJenkins Oh yeah, I'm sure Captain Marvel could use lightning at this point in time. Just forgot about that. But Superman did not have all his crazy powers yet at the point when DC issued a cease and desist.
Gotta be the Captain Marvel who has the wisdom of Solomon, strength of Hercules, the stamina of Atlas, the power of Zeus, the courage of Achilles and the swiftness of Mercury! Though I won't say no if Ms Marvel is in her trademark black leotard :p
He can be Captain DC.
Shazam: *flying over ocean
Phone: *ring ring
Shazam: Hello! This is Shazam! (Turns into Billy Batson) Crap! (Splash)
The Big Cheese himself. The OG from Whiz Comics. I don't care much for his name now being Shazam though. How does he introduce himself? ~"Hello. I'm Shazam!" Ⱬ*BANG* "err, I mean Billy Batson. I'm here to rescue you... Shazam‽" Ⱬ*BANG*
Meanwhile, In the JLA Watchtower..
Superman: Hello. Welcome to the team. What do we call you?
Shazam: Sha--
Batman: NOO No No No!! Write it down! If you say that name only some of us will die!!
Captain Marvel is the best Captain Marvel. I mean, sure, Captain Marvel is cool and all, but Captain Marvel is even cooler! Think of Captain Marvel, then think of Captain Marvel. Captain Marvel is SUPER stupid, but Captain Marvel is amazing, awesome, and incredible! Face it, Captain Marvel will always be the best Captain Marvel.
Captain Marvel sucks
Captain Marvel rules
Imho
No man Captain Marvel is a better Captain Marvel than Captain Marvel, Captain Marvel and Captain Marvel combined! Sure, Captain Marvel is pretty cool, and Captain Marvel is extremely powerful, and Captain Marvel is iconic, but Captain Marvel is all of that and more!
Simply Marvelous.
im starting to think there is more than 1 captain marvel
Lmao
I like that Captain Marvel.
Well, I'm almost positive that popular opinion says the best captain marvel is Billy Baxton originally of Fawcett and currently of DC. ... Which is why Marvel is terrified of what might happen if they loose that trademark.
They can have a Captain DC it even sounds fitting with their studio.
yea but marvel exists as a word in it of itself, it means something, marvel is not an original word like shazam, dc etc. so captain dc is kind of corny.
Eskew Roberts You're so right.
@@XTrash.KittyX And the lighting bolt emblem still works: Direct Current!
In the Philippines, they have a superhero guy called CAPTAIN BARBEL. It's a total rip off superhero created by the name MARS RAVELO (It's like MARVEL). His superpowers were almost the same with Captain Marvel.
Shazam is always going to be my favorite "Captain Marvel".
That's my 2nd fave next 2 supes
Personally I hate that the Marvel movie is being titled Captain Marvel. Mostly because (like im sure plently of people), I always knew her as *Ms* Marvel. And I was one of those who actually know "Shazam" WAS Captain Marvel. So in my opinion the new movie should REALLY be called Ms Marvel, not CAPTAIN Marvel.
It seems the cost of mainstreaming or the movie format is that anything from small details to large chunks are changed or completely left out. It's irksome but I understand things need to be made marketable. - Nali
+Davrial aka Blue Mario Personally, I'm fine with her being Captain Marvel (probably because I'm still relatively new to comics), but I really wish the movies would address Mar-Vell, and have Carol Danvers as Ms. Marvel in one of their other movies before the Captain Marvel movie, and then have her take on the Captain Marvel name, and possibly do something with Kamala Khan, the current Ms. Marvel.
I will always remember Shazam as Captain Marvel and Carol Davers Ms. Marvel!!!
I agree most people know her as miss marvel but they wanted it to be her when she became Captain Marvel u guess
+enderteen445 I*
What if amalgam comics were to come back to do a marvel DC cross over of the two captain marvels.
cameron lawie Yes! I am totally mentioning this on a future podcast where we are going to try to mashup a new Amalgam Universe.
***** dont forget about BlackCat and Catwoman to make the ultimate furry.
*****
A new Amalgam universe would be fantastic ! The Amalgam books showed that DC and Marvel didn't take their characters too seriously and that each company could respect many aspects of their rival's heroes. I've got all the original series of books from when they were first published. I think it's the first time a "fifth week" event was so popular that it was repeated the following year -- maybe because of the crossover novelty ... or maybe because they were awesome !
Seeing the title I was like "DC Comics of course!"
Captain Mar-vell had alot of edge as a character, earned rank & knew martial arts, but was just erased and replaced - sad. Danvers was was best in the black outfit in the late 70's, especially with Korvak in the Avengers.
Billy Batson is now and will always be the one and only "Captain Marvel", his new 52 title is simply a formality. Carol Danvers is now and will always be "Ms.Marvel". I personally don't choose to recognize any other iteration of these names as being anything different.
👍 there ya go
I agree.
Hisflock777 Once the movie comes out, Carol will be Captain Marvel forever more.
*****
Unless it sucks.
Hisflock777
Won't happen.
***** What happens if Shazam says "Hi my name is Shazam" will he turn back to a kid?
I would say so
I think he has to shout it
Say probably not
Comic Taco Productions Until the story requires him to only be able to whisper it. then it will magically work for him because comics.
raggarharry I don't believe that's the case in the New 52. He has to say "Shazam" like he means to transform. But back in the day with Captain Marvel Jr., he transformed by saying "Captain Marvel" and he couldn't say his name because of it.
Thanks fot all the awnsers! I have thought about this a lot :D
shazam is my favorite
+Kolby Gaither
Aka Billy? :D
SHAZAM!
I wonder what Black Adam thinks about this
raggarharry I absolutely need to know!
Black Adam is noticeably absent from this comment section. Did you see his comment fight with superman? it was intense.
Matt Sweeney Oh yes! It was impressive.
Matt Sweeney Oh yeah the fight was amazing I was on the edge of my seat the hole time!
***** Who is the ms,marvel who wore black?
BILLY BATSON is Captain M. Aways my favorite and the rest do not matter much to me.SHAZAM...
Captain m, what about captain n.
That is fascinating. Always wondered about the confusion between Faucet, DC, and Marvel with the Trademark and Copyright rules. This is a great, clear explanation on how we get to the place we are today. Thanks for doing this!
Shazam: Solomon (wisdom), Hercules (strength), Atlas (stamina), Zeus (power), Achilles (courage), Mercury (speed).
Yeah, I'm just gonna ask - how on earth does "Shazam" tell people who he is without turning back into Billy?
Have they explained this, or...
In New 52 the lightning doesn't transform him unless he wants it too.
SpadaccinoLuciano How many times does Superman walk around telling people he's Superman? People just no he's Superman.
***** Yes, but that's after he told his name to the press. They'll never know Shazam's name to begin with. They might start calling him "Super-Flash".
SpadaccinoLuciano
The winning ticket is to make sure your friend is in the crowd when you take down your first enemy. Then you have him yell, "Hey look! It's SHAZAM!" Then the crowd will know Shazam's name and it will quickly proliferate through the media.
***** Not bad, not bad. Of course since Billy's 10, that kid will also be 10, and probably no one will take him seriously...
but it's better than nothing!
DC Captain Marvel is my overall favorite hero. I only wish he wasn't so under rated.
I got to say that I am a fan of "Shazam!" and I enjoyed the comic book series and also the original 1970's TV series as well. I feel that the name "Captain Marvel" belongs in the "Shazam!" franchise. Period.
Robert Polanco And what was he captian of?
How did he earn that name?
@@thewinningpheonix844 It's a superhero name
He's Captain Marvel she's Ms. Marvel end of story. lol
exactly
He's never been captain of anything.
TN BN he the champion of magic, that should qualify as a captain
kenan exon
That would be Dr. Fate
Dr. Fate or Nabu is lord of order
I hope they will make a movie called "Captain Marvel vs. Captain Marvel" XD
TheSimcraftFixion ft. Captain Marvel (might as well have all three of them in there).
LOL XD
Well who would win? Me: yes
+TheSimcraftFixion In the end Captain Marvel wins
TheSimcraftFixion Carol Danverse becuase she got her powers from the COSMIC REALM and SHAZAM's powers come from an older gandolf wizard if The Lord Of The Rings had an alternate ending
For me the original Captain Marvel (Shazam) is my favorite. I was first introduced to the character back in the early 80's and just fell in luv with the concept. The marvel version just never caught on with me. He or should I say they are ok. But never had as big of a impact on me as Dc's Captain Marvel. I'm kind of still bummed by the name change to Shazam. But he is still one of my favorite comic book characters
Billy Batson is Captain Marvel.
But i remmber in Mortal Kombat vs DC...he still used the name Capitan Marvel back in 2008 or 2009
Captain Marvel > Captain Marvel > Captain Marvel > Captain Marvel> Captain Marvel. That's how I rank it for myself.
Emerald Havik That's pretty good, but I might go Captain Marvel > Captain Marvel > Captain Marvel > Captain Marvel > Captain Marvel. But everyone is entitled to their own opinions.
Yes, prety good, but i would say captain marvel should came first, just my opinion though.
you guys have it all wrong!
Captain marvel is just has a stupid name Captain marvel name is better
Really liked this video Scott! Its a pretty simple topic but something i've always wondered about and you did a great job explaining it :D
***** Thank you so much! I was worried that no one would find it as interesting as I did.
I like this too
***** its one of those little tidbits of info i've always wondered but never looked up, very interesting stuff though :D
***** That's really great to hear. Thanks!
Funny. The character in your picture has the name Scott too, so who made the video, and who are you thanking. Jk awesome profile pic btw. Great video.
Shazam called himself Captain Marvel because saying Shazam is his power and
weakness
Tarzan, Buck Rogers, Flash Gordon, The Spider, Chandu the Magician, Mandrake the Magician all appeared before Captain Marvel in serial or other films. They also appeared before him in stories in print.
the only thing I don't understand is why did they call DC's Captain Marvel, Shazam, why didn't they call him Captain Thunder? that was actually his original concept name before they changed it and was actually called Captain Thunder during the flashpoint paradox comics.
Or Captain Dc. lol
+Andrew Bray nope, that name sucks for some reason. Marvel is better.
He was captain thunder for a stint like you said but then they introduced a villian for him called captain thunder which was a complicated mess
+Andrew Bray Because Captain Thunder sounds stupid.
+Fro Flarecrow (Professor Fro) Almost as stupid as Shazam.
I'm still just trying to understand how DC even had a case against Captain Marvel, didn't seem at all like Superman to me. Was it a context thing? Like dudes with super powers in general was kind of their turf at the time?
MonarchsFactory Kind of. It was a lot of little things. From a black-haired white guy superhero who wears the color red and is super strong, fast, and durable (at this point in time, Superman only had those three powers. No heat vision or super breath or anything like that), plus mix that with the fact that Billy Batson worked selling newspapers kind of like Clark Kent working in the newspaper industry as well. It was a bunch of tiny things that just added up.
***** That's a fair enough comparison then I guess - thanks for the extra info. Always like learning this stuff.
MonarchsFactory
Horror/fantasy writer Manly Wade Wellman who wrote for Fawcett at the time testified in court he was instructed to copy the Superman formula for Captain Marvel. Wellman who also wrote for Wil Esiner's The Spirit, always had disdain for his comic work & considered it an easy paycheck in-between his "real" writing, which at the time was stories in the pulps.
_Manly_ Wade Wellman gave testimony in a case adjudicate by Judge _Learned Hand_? This was actually a comic book storyline, wasn't it?
Black Silver Other companies can use it, but they can't advertise or promote anything using that word. That's the nature of a trademark. We can all write our own comics that contain the word "superhero" inside the story, but we can't use it as the title of the story or for any other promotional purposes.
three years has past and this is still the best Captain Marvel / Shazam explainer for the confused. thank you for making this :D. gonna be my go to video whenever people starts asking about the Marvel/DC conundrum of it all.
Love that you brought up the "split" Capt. Marvel.
Genis-vell was the greatest Captain Marvel. He may have started out looking incredibly 90's, but he had a large amount of growth as a character where he went from loser to big hero to delusional guy. He is also probably the most powerful of all of them.
+Nova Zone Agreed; he was also the funniest! :)
I side with one of the earlier comments. Billy Batson IS Captain Marvel, Carol is Ms Marvel, the Kree is Captain Mar-Vell, and no one else counts.
Shazam is an acronym of the powers bestowed as they relate to mythology. Wisdom, Strength, Stamina, Power, Courage, Speed.
Respectively= Solomon, Hercules, Atlas, Zeus, Achiles, Mercury.
Great videos. Love your informative style
Captain Marvel > Superman, Superman couldn't even fly back in the day. Captain Marvel flew and Superman "jumped tall buildings".
DarkAlex1978 because he was just beginning to discover his powers
@@DarkAlex1978 Superman learns new powers as time goes on unlike Shazam who hasn’t got a new power in like 30 years
@@smoothfresh1004 or writers just wank superman making him getting stronger with bs powers lol
@@smoothfresh1004 he got a new one in 2012
I remember years worth of Calling Billy Shazam anyway & having people gleefully correct with "Well actually The Wizard is named Shazam". So all & all I'm actually more OK with the name being the way it is now.
TheDVDGrouch I definitely did the same thing. Haha. I welcomed the official name change to Shazam when it happened.
***** but what about the REAL shazam, you know the one that loves goat eyes and making it rain candy
ALEX GIBSON Are you thinking of Kazaam? Haha
Gotta make it complicated when he introduces himself to others. "My name's Shazam." Kaboom! "And now I'm Billy Batson again."
It should be noted that DC published reprints of old Fawcett Captain Marvel stories in the early 70's (I was a fairly avid reader) under the title "SHAZAM!" (technically, "With One Magic Word, SHAZAM! The Original Captain Marvel"). It's probably the source of much of the confusion of those who kept calling the Big Red Cheese "Shazam" instead of "Captain Marvel" until DC decided to punt and just change the name of the character.
billy deserves the title
Ibra Allen Stfu
Ibra Allen YES SHE DOES
The Witch no way man billy deserves the title of captain marvel
Flop I MEANT TO SAY HE MY BAD LOL
Shazam/Captain Marvel is an awesome character IMO and I will never see or be able to take any other character of that name seriously. But to be quite honest the name Shazam is growing on me, and I've always thought Marvel was a lame name anyway.
Great Video! I really enjoyed this!thank you
MARVEL owns the CAPTAIN MARVEL name but none of the half dozen characters who carried the moniker, has captured the imagination of the readers like the original.
DC will forever be known for having a tantrum and butthurt when they realized Captain Marvel was beating their iconic Superman in sales
SHAZAM is the best Captain Marvel
V 101 No just no
Yes just yes*
Shazam is the best Shazam.
V 101 agreed, I’m stoked for Shazam
V 101 captain marvel is the best captain marvel
Thanks for clearing this up!
Shazam is an acronym:
Solomon, Hercules, Atlas, Zeus, Achilles, Mercury.
SHAZAM!
Definitely Shazam!
pfffffftt
+Lukas Paskalskis Pffff
Shazam really is cool superhero name.
Will the real Captain Marvel please stand up? -SlimShady
This video way ahead of its time nice.
The six letters in the word Shazam stood for the six elders who granted Billy their powers: Solomon, Hercules, Atlas, Zeus, Achilles and Mercury.
I loved Billy Batston (I think I spelled that wrong) as Captain Marvel. Carol Danvers should stay Mrs. Marvel.... and wouldn't Billy turn into Captain Marvel everytime he said 'Shazam'? That would mean that if he ever introduced himself to another DC character.... he would turn into a kid.
Billy Batson
hydrolito Thanks
Vicktoria Thomas I think it depends on the tone and volume of his voice.
If its a casual way of saying "Shazam" it wont activate the spell turning him into billy and vice versa, but if he said it in a loud more serious tone like "SHAZAM!!"
then the magic would turn him back and forth.
Well thats how I see it as anyway.
Well done! Great explanation of the facts. I prefer Fawcett's Captain Marvel. I was lucky enough to know and work with C.C. Beck.
What was it like?
This explained a lot, thank you!!
Very informative. I had no idea there was a Captain Marvel who was neither DC, Fawcett or Marvel.
my favorite captain marvel is captain marvel. I mean, captain marvel is cool and all, but captain marvel is the best.
I just scrolled down and saw tons of the same joke. I regret nothing.
Harry Wompa Haha. I love all these jokes! You guys are the best!
seriously though, Billy Batson is pretty awesome.
You should talk about the whole miracle man/marvel man fiasco and why Carol Danver wears his costume. She's my favorite BTW, grew up reading her stories as Ms Marvel and found her to be much more interesting than Mar-Vell
Thank you very much for clearing that all up
Damn... that was awesomely informative ! Thanks.
Monica Rambeau will always be my Favorite
I'm gonna go with Billy Batson, though Monica Rambeau is a good second, being respectful of the legacy and very determined to keep up with the heavy hitters.
I think two of Marvel's other CM's were Mar-vell's own children.
Since you covered so much without going overboard, I'll just add something I'm not sure of, but would be cool if it were true. In 1981-ish, NBC Saturday Morning put out the Shazam! Power Hour, with the Marvel Family (including all the classic supporting characters) and with a second feature called Hero High, a light heroes in High School piece, both made by Filmation. Filmation had planned to use its long-time animated Archie franchise for this piece, but the rights expired. Now, the Marvels and the Hero High bunch sometimes met up, which means CM's bunch and the Archie gang could have crossed over on-screen (presuming that CM/Shazam! wasn't a way to salvage the lost Archie rights). Besides the nerd-gasm that would entail, IMO the meeting of the eternally retro-present Archie and Billy would send both shows straight back to the 20's!
I forgot this one : The Post-Crisis 'Shazam : The New Beginning' which you mentioned, and written by Roy Thomas (who knows the Golden Age the way most people know their birthdays) was not the main Post-Crisis version of CM. It had that miniseries and a run in Action Comics Weekly, and featured retcons like Sivana being Billy's inheritance-stealing Uncle and Captain Nazi being an amped-up Neo-Nazi from the present. But it never took, and years later, they launched 'The Power Of Shazam!' which kept a lot more stuff from the classic series while not launching full into goofy fun. All the 'New Beginning' stuff was outright ignored in favor of the new series' continuity, without a cosmic event erasing the 'New Beginning'.
I also realized you mentioned Fawcett had a Supes-expy called Master Man, who DC hit them on successfully. The name Master Man was used in the 70's book 'The Invaders', written by Roy Thomas and featuring the WW2 Power Trio of Captain America, Namor The Sub-Mariner, and the original Android Human Torch,along with their sidekicks and any obscure guests Roy could pull up ( I know you did the piece on Thor guesting with them, but I thought I'd remind ). So Master Man here is not a hero, but a Nazi German Super-Soldier effort, whose origin and look seems very similar to the classic version of CM's foe, Captain Nazi. If it were anyone but Thomas, I'd call it coincidence.
At one point Captain Marvel or now Shazam was even more popular than Superman. Does this mean in the Shazam movie Freddy will be called Shazam Jr instead of Captain Marvel Jr?
Thank you!! I needed to understand this!
And, I love Carol Danvers.
As a near 40 year fan (I know I better not say 'Shazam' or I'll likely turn to dust), and someone who prefers Marvel to DC let me say this there is only ONE Captain Marvel and it is NOT 'Shazam' it is the one and only 'BIG RED CHEESE'! Not Mar-vel, not Carol Danvers, not anyone except Billy Batson after he utters the name of the Wizard Shazam. If DC was smart and had a some....'balls' for lack of a better term. They would simply title his books as 'The Captain' and still refer to him as Captain Marvel inside the book (it sounds more commanding, plus would maybe be catchy with millennials). Also, they would make sure THEIR movie was out FIRST so the masses would identify Billy as the one true Captain Marvel that he is. Nuff said true believers.
billy batson will always be captain marvel, i dont care what marvel says
When he talks about kid sidekicks like Robin and Bucky he gives the impression that they existed first and that Billy Batson/Captain Marvel was an improvement on them. The first Captain Marvel story came out about 3 months before Robin was introduced; Bucky appeared about 9 months after that.
For me the only Captain Marvel is the red guy who scream "Shazam!"
The Fawcett Captain Marvel was my favorite when I was young. DC screwed Fawcett just because they could. Kinda like the way Stan Lee screwed Jack Davis at Marvel. The Fawcett version is the True Captain Marvel. All the others SUCK, including Shazam. Nuff said
While the Marvel Captain Marvel had some nice cosmic moments at times, especially when Jim Starlin handled the character, and I rather liked the Ms. Marvel series of the 70s, I'm still going to have to go with original Fawcett character being my favorite. He had a certain whimsy and charm at Fawcett that DC has never managed to capture since they've been doing him, although the 1970s series wasn't too bad. And the E. Nelson Bridwell/Don Newton version was amazing!
Another interesting fact to me is that, while DC got the rights to use the character, they didn't bother to protect the copyrights on the original Fawcett stories of Captain Marvel and the rest of the Marvel Family. So all those Fawcett stories are public domain and I suspect that they could be reprinted by anybody, although I guess because of the trademark issue, they couldn't put "Captain Marvel" on the cover any more than DC can. Still, anyone can go to one of the public domain comic sites like Comic Book Plus or the Digital Comic Book Museum and freely download and read the original Fawcett stories.
macsnafu Great additional info!
Love this! First time here and enjoyed the research, delivery, and enthusiasm. Mar-Vel for ever!
I acquired a copy of the limb-splitting guy. To be fair, his backstory isn't too bad. A sentient alien robot, posing as a college professor (remember James Marsters in Smallville?) here to observe humanity, and he is committed to helping out where he can. There was a disturbing aspect to a story in that issue: there were 6 booby trapped pens out there and he had to retrieve all 6 before it was too late. The hands had an easy time of grabbing pens, and his head grabbed one in his teeth. I don't know his legs grabbed pens since he wore boots, but I have to keep pushing out from my mind the image of how his torso must have grabbed one.
now wait for every superman fans and their blah blah do they know that shazam was the first superman copy ? .Akash biswas Shazam wasnt even a copy. He was his own character, was competition for Superman, but, DC pretty much tried that copyright bullshit, lost the lawsuit, but Fawcett Comics couldnt use the character anymore due to an agreement with DC. Then DC later bought the character & starting using him, but karma came back around, DC couldnt use the Captain Marvel name, because Marvel gained the trademark for their Captain Marvel before DC brought Fawcett's Captain Marvel back, and thats why DC uses the Shazam name, they couldnt use the Captain Marvel name, or else they wouldve gotten sued.
Outstanding recapitulation!
You forgot the other live action Shazam back in the 70’s who was also called Captain Marvel
nice video, but i'm gonna have to award an incomplete score for no mention of marvelman
I'll go create a new superhero called Captain DC!
With uhm lightning powers... lightning is direct current yeah? LoL!