to be honest, he plays this character the same way as weyoun, change the make-up back to vorta and you get the same mimic, speech patterns and body language not that its bad or anything but i cant help and only see his price role as a dominion overseer instead of what the fuck this is supposed to be
@@suqmadique9762 to be honest.. its about the nuances. similarities exist in your mind, due to it being the same actor. of course similarities seemingly exist when an actor plays a character from his true heart. jeffrey combs is everything that makes star trek great.
@@JoannaHammond yes lets just deny that we have all grown and become better as the days and years progress... I mean, at least most of us have - id hope
I loved this arc. Enemies into allies into friends is an old trope.... and usually not very believable. Here it was slow and believable. They were enemies that respected each other... then reluctant allies.... then true allies... and eventually friends. I bought it.
Another reason why enterprise is my favorite ST series. That's part of the theme of Roddenberrys dream for the future of mankind. The Klingons went from enemies in ST TOS to members of the Federation in ST TNG. The Vulcans kept asking to get their butts kicked in Enterprise by Archer, to and Kirks crew being willing to give their lives for Spock in The Search for Spock.
@@mrtadreamer Klingons went from enemies to allies, to enemies again, to friends The NEVER joined the Federation, but the Klingon Empire and the Federation finally learned how to get along with each other. So it was still part of theme, but the trekkie in me had to point out they never actually joined the UFP... even if hostilities had ceased and they became rather friendly with each other. Kind of like Andorians and Humans in Enterprise actually... once they actually started working together in seasons 3 and 4 (until the time jump at the end when they were much closer), it's a lot like how the Feds and Klings were in TNG, DS9 etc.... the implication is that the Organian prediction will one day come true... 'You and the Klingons will become fast friends, you will work together'... and in the later series' you see that prediction unfolding. ruclips.net/video/_UJyf8jCqJU/видео.html Even in the original series, this was where Gene wanted to take it.
The character Shran saw in Archer someone like himself aggressive when he needed to be with conviction and resolution to see things to their end. He wanted to be free of this weapon. Of the shame of having stolen from his 'friend' and we he heard the Enterprise was pursuing him he knew he had the opportunity to get rid of it without looking like a traitor to his superiors. Ultimately Shran got the result he wanted. The weapon itself destroyed and the United Earth and Andorians having equal information about the weapon.
@@DoremiFasolatido1979 Vulcans have green blood, not red, so their skin wouldn't be "pink" in comparison, and the tellerites are too hairy to be known by skin color.
@@DoremiFasolatido1979 It would also be that they saw colors differently than humans so we all might have looked pinky to them, no matter what actual shade we were
@@killingragethrowback "Listen Nephew. Humans are wonderful people. When their Holosuites are working, their mugs are filled, and their replicators are working. But take all that away, put ther lives in danger during an extended period of time. And those same kind, friendly, wonderful people. Become as violent and vicious as the most bloodthirsty Klingon."
@@Geminias I don't remember season 1 and 2 well. What didn't you like about them? Or are you saying they're objectively bad? I remember it making much more sense than Voyager (Janeway constantly does crazy things that risk everything), though the Enterprise does have some pretty heavy plot armour. They really act the shit out of explaining why it does, though. (Tripp rerouting the power modulators, or whatever)
@@O1OO1O1 For me, the whole Temporal Cold War was a bust. Season 3 works because it has a better story board but to start the show and immediately have to deal with time travel shows lack of foresight. I feel like they would have done a lot better if they had focused on Archer and the crew not really having to play by the rules we associate with the Federation. And leaning into some of humanity's darker traits and testing them.
Yeah but the enterprise d had 1000 crew members ish, the nx had like 80 which makes affects the likely hood of dying like your more likely to die on the NX then the Enterprise-D
Yeah I know; I've met him. Plus I think most of us who have been fans for any length of time and specifically fans of DS9 knew that, but thanks for the input, at least for those few who didn't know.
This is why I prefer Archer over the other Captains. He was the most human of them all, with Sisko running a close 2nd. Kirk had the pride of the fleet with his Enterprise, Picard had the most cutting edge Enterprises and both were flagships (D and E), Janeway had the newest class in Voyager. Sisko had the very first warship built by the Federation. But the NX-01 was getting it's shit kicked all the time. Everyone was faster, stronger, and better suited for combat. After a while of getting dick punched, Archer got pissed and allowed his emotions to show that he might not have the big guns, but he had bigger balls then any of them. Just say the word and he's your huckleberry.
Indeed, I see many comments saying in different ways that Archer was a bad captain in general, but he probably was in the toughest position (and Janeway), and yet he managed to do so much with his limited ship. Of course it`s not always about who`s ship is tougher but he and his team definitely had it rough more than others.
I hadn't thought of it from the perspective of the Captains but you're right. It's much the same reason went for Babylon 5 as well, the humans had just had the shit kicked out of them by the Minbari. I loved TNG but the crew was too perfect. In TOS there was the "Corbomite Manoeuvre" where at the end a crewman stays, he's asked if he represents the best of humanity. He says no, he'll make a lot of mistakes, but he's very human. That feeling got lost somewhere along the way but came back with Enterprise.
@@McRocket To be fair there was no idea of a federation. It was just humans alone and in the danger zone. He was the right man at the right time. Just like the successors were.
When it comes to diplomacy, the other party needs to know that you're willing to step up and go to extremes, but would prefer not to. aka, the "speak softly and carry a big stick" approach. When the Federation stopped doing that, we see the Romulans, Cardassians, Klingons, etc. basically walk all over them at every opportunity. The "peace at any price" approach just leads to giving inches and them taking miles.
I contend that after watching all Star Trek series and films many times, Enterprise is, to me, the best of all. It didn't go through that awkward first season "who am I" phase that most other series did. Was just good story telling, solid acting and directing. My fav series from the franchise.
Phasers were brought in episode 12, and were always intended to be brought in early/mid season 1. Photon torpedoes were brought in at the end of season 2 with decent explanation as to why but this is the strongest point. As for "regular use of the transporter" that just flat out never happened with the shuttle pods being used >90% of the time, the inverse of all other shows.
My biggest gripe was starting off with a time travel plot. At that particular juncture of Star Trek storytelling, I was pretty burnt out on them. Voyager was pretty much the same, a time travel plot in the second episode. Having to wade through them early on made appreciating later seasons very difficult.
Wild how the third season of _Enterprise_ suddenly updated it to 2000s-era cinematography after the first two seasons stolidly imitated the '90s-era Star Trek shows. That hand-cam follow from Shran's office vs. the walk-ons into wide shots from '90s ready rooms...
Needed...4 more seasons of this show. Combs' portrayal, and the use of Andorians, their storyline, made this show for me. Getting more Tellarite stories would've been awesome. All a build up to that speech we all saw [too soon].
I mean...kinda? I guess? they never made any secret of the fact that they were basically studying the humans in what amounts to a grand-scale antropology experiment...though it did take awhile for it to get out as to why the vulcans as a species were taking the matter so seriously down to almost every last individual. the humans in that setting had just got done fighting a war of extinction against _themselves_ when they made contact with the vulcans and the vulcans are pretty much the only other species we see over the course of the many star trek series that are capable of really processing that thought and understanding what it actually means...next closest is probably the romulans. for all that talk of hopeful exploration and the general positivity of Star Trek this is set so far back in the timeline that Archer's parents or grandparents would have seen over 99% of the human population wiped out _by humans_ and to make matters even worse it wasn't exactly for dumb reasons either.
Plot Twist...Archer was a long term Leap...since we (the viewer) see him as know him...his real body is a marginally overweight, deeply introverted, etc etc add any detail you want...
One thing I always hated from all the Star Trek series, was that aliens always referred to the Enterprise by name. As though they revered it or something. Meanwhile, the humans almost never used alien ship names. It was always identified either by class or by who's ship it was. "A Bird of Prey is approaching" or "Shran's ship is hailing".
I'd never noticed that before but I agree. However I imagine it was a choice made deliberately to reduce confusion in the audience. Broadcast TV in the 90s-2000s, remember
Didn’t notice but I’d agree. However what bothered me most is how everyone used Earth measurements of time and distance even though that makes no sense. Even a light year is earth centric and would mean different distances to everyone else. And don’t get me started about how everyone seems to run on 24 hr cycles..
Shran is a soldier above all, and he was given orders to follow. He had to obey, even if he didnt like it. But once his orders were done with, he might as well help Archer out. He might be a soldier first, he doesnt disregard his personal honor or loyalties to friends if the two dont conflict
@@michelvanderlinden8363 Plus, he saw that the humans would be a valuable ally the his people, a point he brought up when trying to protest his orders and a point Archer proved when the Romulans started instigating conflicts in season 4.
At the end of that episode Shran sends, to Archer, all the detailed scans they took of the prototype weapon. Much more detailed that the humans would have been able to get
Such a great era for Star Trek and the only series doing it justice was canned early. I love how they made first contact with many species, got friends with some of them in conflict, trade and science. And of course the subtle but amazing props, like all the moving antennae from the Andorians. I mean even the actors in the background have moving antennae, not only the 1 or 2 main characters. Amazing detail and work done for a great show that still had a huge potential when it was forced to end.
They never gave Enterprise a chance! It was just getting good on its last season. Every Star Trek series (except for TOS) were given 7 years to develop. Unfair treatment if you ask me.
Enterprise was great every time the temporal cold war wasn't involved, it just wasn't a good plot. Unfortunately they seemed to base the series around that and I honestly feel that it killed people's interest. By the time that ended people just didn't care any longer.
yes, you are correct. that was in the season 5 episode outline scripts Manny wrote and submitted to the network before the show got cancelled. Very astute observation, but yes you are in fact correct. We would have seen A LOT more of Shran and the Andorians. It's a shame too i always like those characters from the original series.
I was so disappointed with how this show was treated. Put on a crap network and lousy time slots this should have been a 7 season show at least. It takes a lot of unfair flak.
This stuff proved a lot better than the "Temporal Cold War". I know this was technically an outgrowth of it, but honestly that was more of an excuse; they could have written a genuine threat without time travel stuff. Time travel never really improves a story. At best it merely gives you an excuse to do something silly with stock uniforms, at worst it makes all kinds of plot holes and logic pitfalls. The exception is when time travel is the main conceit of the story, like HG Wells' The Time Machine and its direct derivatives or the first Terminator movie. And even then you're on thin ice. Still, I would've loved more Enterprise, especially if they focused on the growing enmity with the Romulans and Klingons and other threats as well as typical sci-fi exploration stuff. Maybe even revisit the Iconians; a dreadfully underused Precursor race.
lol, it's bad enough Shran has to give in to Archer's demands, but having to get 'road-side assistance' from the very captain he failed to swindle from is rubbing insults to injury.
But the best way to earn Shran's respect too. Archer did what he had to do with no other reason than to keep a war from escalating, even if it was against the orders of any military High Command. Shran knew the Andorians wouldn't survive another war so soon, but it was too engrained in him to *not* follow orders, even if he knew better. Shran likes Archer because Archer is someone Shran wishes he could be from the beginning.
Ordering T'pol to arm the system was an amazing tactical display. The human knows a Vulcan won't end all of those lives, unless all options have been exhausted and it is logical to do so (see, also; they haven't, this is this first attempt at retrieval, and a bold move) The Vulcan knows the human isn't going to order the mindless, illogical, slaying of a bunch of otherwise innocent lives The Andorian suffers no compulsion to think anything other than that the ordered Vulcan officer won't be _thrilled_ to blow them all up, lol
The most amusing aspect of ST:E was the portrayal of the Vulcans and the Andorians...the former as arrogant dicks, the latter as righteous chads. TBH, I came to respect and like the Andorians; and, the show flipped the Vulcan trope on it's head...the was much to admire about this ST series.
I love the fact that humanity gained the Andorians’ respect because they realized quickly we are no pushovers. We’re resourceful, clever, and love to blow things up.
Thia ain't the old Archer, bud! This is an Archer who's pissed and on a crusade....you either are with him or against him, and when you're against him, may whatever god or gods you believe in have mercy on your soul, because he won't!
that show was so underated. at the time though it felt that DS9's last couple seasons involving the dominion war caused the franchise to have lost it's first love, in which star trek was supposed to be about humanity growing out of it's infancy and reaching toward the stars. This show, though short lived, did bring back the spirit of star trek. The costumes for the reptile Xindi were cringe AF though haha
yes i agree. Star trek fell off the tracks towards the end of DS9 and almost the entire run of Voyager which was a train wreck of a series. After the conclusion of TNG and partway through DS9 Berman and Braga had just run out of ideas. They were burnt out but the network pressed them into another series after Voyager which became Enterprise. Unfortunately most of the lead writers had been let go from DS9 and they had to use Voyager writers early on and they were mediocre at best. It wasn't until Manny Coto took over from Berman and Braga that the show really took off (season 3). I liked the Xindi arc but they should have gone straight into the Earth Romulan War instead of the Xindi arc which was kinda a waste. If they had i think they would have gotten a better chance at going to season 5, 6, and 7. I agree Enterprise brought back the spirit of Star Trek after the disastrous run of Voyager, but it also died with Enterprise. Picard and Discovery don't even hold a candle to Enterprise as far as fan ratings go and still don't. Both those series are atrocious.
I kind of disagree. While TOS and TNG had both been about *exploring* the theme that humanity had been growing out of it's infancy, DS9 had been *testing* it. The theme was, can a progressive, optimistic, post-scarcity society survive, when it's being besieged by enemies, opportunists and tyrants? We've seen the facade crumble a few times. With section 31, or with that starfleet conspiracy. But in the end, the optimism prevailed. Voyager could have been about the exact inversion: Can people from such a developed society hold onto their ideals when they are stripped of their comforts, their supplies and their technologies? Quark had made that comment about humans turning savage as soon as you turn off the replicators, and we've seen that theme explored in the Equinox two-parter. But sadly, the writers had been too timid to throw any form of actual conflict, actual hardship, actual *consequeces* at Voyager. And so it just petered out without having had anything to say. Enterprise breathed fresh air into the franchise by again focusing on that theme of humanity having grown up. About them setting out and forming friendships with other races. But it kind of wasn't enough. And if STD or season 1 & 2 of Picard are any indicator, then either people can't write about optimism anymore - or they don't want to hear about it.
@@gaiusbaltar8915 I don't disagree. I hated Voyager. It just seemed like TNG light with a bit of rehashed DS9 episodes. I'm gonna be brutally honest i really disliked Kate Mulgrew's character and how she portrayed Janeway and she was not the only one. In fact several cast members even stated at later ST conventions after the series was concluded that they were constantly fighting one another on and off set which apparently drove Berman and Braga crazy trying to mediate between all of them (squabbling over lines and scenes during filming). Mulgrew feuded CONSTANTLY with Jeri Ryan (seven of nine) and was intensely jealous of her. Robert Beltran (Commander Chakotay), Roberto Picardo (the Doctor), Jennifer Len (kes), Roxanne Dawson (B'Elanna Torres), and Garrett Wang (Ensign Kim) all had feuds between one another at various points and it showed throughout the show as the cast never really jelled. Mulgrew was also a raging alcoholic throughout much of the show's run and the rest of the cast knew it as Jerri pointed out. Mulgrew even admitted in interviews afterwards that "her heart just wasn't in it throughout much of Voyager's run." Really the only bright spots in the series were Tuvoc played by Tim Russ who did an excellent job in the role and Jerri Ryan who also played the role of Seven of Nine in a masterful fashion much to the ire of Mulgrew. All in all too much infighting and weak scripts made Voyager a forgettable series.
I like Shran. Archer has a square head. Anyone ever see that mid seventies movie in shcool about the square head people, but one guy had a triangle head?
Could Cpt. J. Archer somehow have shared a similar fate with Empress Georgiou of the Terran Empire, someone who was sent back in time to save his life and by doing so ensuring the beginning of a peaceful era for the Alpha Quadrant? Also the coldness with which T'Pol calls out the remaining time till detonation.
I loved this show even the first few seasons. It was the best. But then it fell apart for me. I can barely remember but it was something about time warps and different dimensions etc etc...
Jeffrey Combs... one of the absolute best actors in the whole star trek universe.
to be honest, he plays this character the same way as weyoun, change the make-up back to vorta and you get the same mimic, speech patterns and body language
not that its bad or anything but i cant help and only see his price role as a dominion overseer instead of what the fuck this is supposed to be
@@suqmadique9762 to be honest.. its about the nuances. similarities exist in your mind, due to it being the same actor. of course similarities seemingly exist when an actor plays a character from his true heart. jeffrey combs is everything that makes star trek great.
Just don't look at his earlier work then, Re-animator, etc.
@@JoannaHammond yes lets just deny that we have all grown and become better as the days and years progress... I mean, at least most of us have - id hope
@@sceneinvegas I think your missing my point, look at his earlier work, and compare to now. What you said is what is implied.
I loved this arc. Enemies into allies into friends is an old trope.... and usually not very believable. Here it was slow and believable. They were enemies that respected each other... then reluctant allies.... then true allies... and eventually friends. I bought it.
Another reason why enterprise is my favorite ST series. That's part of the theme of Roddenberrys dream for the future of mankind. The Klingons went from enemies in ST TOS to members of the Federation in ST TNG. The Vulcans kept asking to get their butts kicked in Enterprise by Archer, to and Kirks crew being willing to give their lives for Spock in The Search for Spock.
@@mrtadreamer Klingons went from enemies to allies, to enemies again, to friends The NEVER joined the Federation, but the Klingon Empire and the Federation finally learned how to get along with each other. So it was still part of theme, but the trekkie in me had to point out they never actually joined the UFP... even if hostilities had ceased and they became rather friendly with each other. Kind of like Andorians and Humans in Enterprise actually... once they actually started working together in seasons 3 and 4 (until the time jump at the end when they were much closer), it's a lot like how the Feds and Klings were in TNG, DS9 etc.... the implication is that the Organian prediction will one day come true... 'You and the Klingons will become fast friends, you will work together'... and in the later series' you see that prediction unfolding.
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Even in the original series, this was where Gene wanted to take it.
Stay tuned for the next episode of... Dragon Ball Z!
@@voodoochild1975az I had assumed the Klingons had joined the Federation because the Klingon Worf served aboard Federation vessels.
@@mrtadreamer Nope. He was the first Klingon to serve in Starfleet... but that was because he was adopted by human parents.
Lol I love how Shran’s antennae pop up when she says “the enterprise” haha. Shows his interest toward humans and Archer specifically.
He forgot the rule to never back a pink skin against a wall/thin ice
He gets a head boner
The character Shran saw in Archer someone like himself aggressive when he needed to be with conviction and resolution to see things to their end. He wanted to be free of this weapon. Of the shame of having stolen from his 'friend' and we he heard the Enterprise was pursuing him he knew he had the opportunity to get rid of it without looking like a traitor to his superiors. Ultimately Shran got the result he wanted. The weapon itself destroyed and the United Earth and Andorians having equal information about the weapon.
I didn't notice the bit about Shran's antennae, but such subtleties shows why Interprise is my favorire ST series.
The name Enterprise always had a reputation attached to it. Anyone who messed with a ship bearing that name would regret it.
The Archer and Shran relationship is one of the many reasons this is my favorite Trek series.
"Never push the pink skins on to the thin ice..."
Which, despite how all other species are considered "pink skins"...that particular adage only applies to humans in their culture.
@@DoremiFasolatido1979 Vulcans have green blood, not red, so their skin wouldn't be "pink" in comparison, and the tellerites are too hairy to be known by skin color.
@@DoremiFasolatido1979 It would also be that they saw colors differently than humans so we all might have looked pinky to them, no matter what actual shade we were
Remember when Quark said the same thing with a lot more words?
@@killingragethrowback "Listen Nephew. Humans are wonderful people. When their Holosuites are working, their mugs are filled, and their replicators are working. But take all that away, put ther lives in danger during an extended period of time. And those same kind, friendly, wonderful people. Become as violent and vicious as the most bloodthirsty Klingon."
This show needed more seasons. I am in a minority, but it was my favorite series of them all.
Not my favourite, but was very good. Better than Voyager, I think.
Season 3 really helped Enterprise find its footing and by season 4 I was hoping to see a lot more. Sadly, Seasons 1 and 2 were so bad.
@@Geminias I don't remember season 1 and 2 well. What didn't you like about them? Or are you saying they're objectively bad?
I remember it making much more sense than Voyager (Janeway constantly does crazy things that risk everything), though the Enterprise does have some pretty heavy plot armour. They really act the shit out of explaining why it does, though. (Tripp rerouting the power modulators, or whatever)
I agree. We were cheated out of 3 more seasons!!!
@@O1OO1O1 For me, the whole Temporal Cold War was a bust. Season 3 works because it has a better story board but to start the show and immediately have to deal with time travel shows lack of foresight.
I feel like they would have done a lot better if they had focused on Archer and the crew not really having to play by the rules we associate with the Federation. And leaning into some of humanity's darker traits and testing them.
If I could choose to live in the Star Trek universe, I’d choose to work on Archer’s Enterprise, it’s just such a unique era in the whole series
@@kingcrab4696 no one died? crew died against the klingons, against the xindi they lost multiple crew. the NX-01 era was certainly not bloodless
@@Super_Tristan1005 i think they truly mean Archie's crewhad the highest survival rate.
@@drockjr pretty sure they had the lowest
@@ahhlewis_mapping the Enterprise D lost 18 just in the borg J25 encounter. Archer barely scratches that through the whole series
Yeah but the enterprise d had 1000 crew members ish, the nx had like 80 which makes affects the likely hood of dying like your more likely to die on the NX then the Enterprise-D
Jeffrey Combs (Shran) also played Weyoun, two Ferengis and several other Star Trek Characters.
Yeah I know; I've met him. Plus I think most of us who have been fans for any length of time and specifically fans of DS9 knew that, but thanks for the input, at least for those few who didn't know.
He also plays a lot of cool characters in a lot of things. I like the Headmaster in The Secret World he plays.
@@Badartist888 Also played the only other Psi Corps member outside of Talia that you feel sorry for...
Weyoun was a good character and great acting.
Made a great computer trying to become god
This is why I prefer Archer over the other Captains. He was the most human of them all, with Sisko running a close 2nd. Kirk had the pride of the fleet with his Enterprise, Picard had the most cutting edge Enterprises and both were flagships (D and E), Janeway had the newest class in Voyager. Sisko had the very first warship built by the Federation. But the NX-01 was getting it's shit kicked all the time. Everyone was faster, stronger, and better suited for combat. After a while of getting dick punched, Archer got pissed and allowed his emotions to show that he might not have the big guns, but he had bigger balls then any of them. Just say the word and he's your huckleberry.
Indeed, I see many comments saying in different ways that Archer was a bad captain in general, but he probably was in the toughest position (and Janeway), and yet he managed to do so much with his limited ship. Of course it`s not always about who`s ship is tougher but he and his team definitely had it rough more than others.
The series was also quite a journey, seeing him o from idealist, to hardened pragmatist, who saw the galaxy for the dangers that it held.
I hadn't thought of it from the perspective of the Captains but you're right. It's much the same reason went for Babylon 5 as well, the humans had just had the shit kicked out of them by the Minbari. I loved TNG but the crew was too perfect. In TOS there was the "Corbomite Manoeuvre" where at the end a crewman stays, he's asked if he represents the best of humanity. He says no, he'll make a lot of mistakes, but he's very human. That feeling got lost somewhere along the way but came back with Enterprise.
Hell yes. I couldn't have said it better. I wish this era got more attention personally.
Hardly. They're fantasies. Over-romanticized versions of western self-aggrandizement.
I like how ruthless Archer got in seasons 3 & 4.
KG - I don't.
Although here - he had little choice.
@@McRocket To be fair there was no idea of a federation. It was just humans alone and in the danger zone. He was the right man at the right time. Just like the successors were.
When it comes to diplomacy, the other party needs to know that you're willing to step up and go to extremes, but would prefer not to. aka, the "speak softly and carry a big stick" approach.
When the Federation stopped doing that, we see the Romulans, Cardassians, Klingons, etc. basically walk all over them at every opportunity. The "peace at any price" approach just leads to giving inches and them taking miles.
Us pink skins are that when backed to a wall
@@TheMelbournelad Never push a pink skin onto the thin ice.
I love how his antennas go upwards when he hears "Enterprise is approaching"
The interactions between Archer and Shran were always some of my favorite moments.
I contend that after watching all Star Trek series and films many times, Enterprise is, to me, the best of all. It didn't go through that awkward first season "who am I" phase that most other series did. Was just good story telling, solid acting and directing. My fav series from the franchise.
It kind of did. It's telling of how quickly they brought in ship phasers, photon torpedoes, and making transporter use common place.
Phasers were brought in episode 12, and were always intended to be brought in early/mid season 1. Photon torpedoes were brought in at the end of season 2 with decent explanation as to why but this is the strongest point. As for "regular use of the transporter" that just flat out never happened with the shuttle pods being used >90% of the time, the inverse of all other shows.
My biggest gripe was starting off with a time travel plot. At that particular juncture of Star Trek storytelling, I was pretty burnt out on them. Voyager was pretty much the same, a time travel plot in the second episode. Having to wade through them early on made appreciating later seasons very difficult.
Schran was my favorite character from this show, and and probably the whole Star Trek universe
The most underrated star trek TV show ever
Wild how the third season of _Enterprise_ suddenly updated it to 2000s-era cinematography after the first two seasons stolidly imitated the '90s-era Star Trek shows. That hand-cam follow from Shran's office vs. the walk-ons into wide shots from '90s ready rooms...
Needed...4 more seasons of this show. Combs' portrayal, and the use of Andorians, their storyline, made this show for me. Getting more Tellarite stories would've been awesome. All a build up to that speech we all saw [too soon].
one of the best aspects of the story of Star trek Online, is that Shran's decendant is the captain of the enterprise F
Always liked his character. The Vulcans always had ulterior motives when interacting with humans but I admired CDR Shran's bluntness.
I mean...kinda? I guess? they never made any secret of the fact that they were basically studying the humans in what amounts to a grand-scale antropology experiment...though it did take awhile for it to get out as to why the vulcans as a species were taking the matter so seriously down to almost every last individual.
the humans in that setting had just got done fighting a war of extinction against _themselves_ when they made contact with the vulcans and the vulcans are pretty much the only other species we see over the course of the many star trek series that are capable of really processing that thought and understanding what it actually means...next closest is probably the romulans.
for all that talk of hopeful exploration and the general positivity of Star Trek this is set so far back in the timeline that Archer's parents or grandparents would have seen over 99% of the human population wiped out _by humans_ and to make matters even worse it wasn't exactly for dumb reasons either.
Jeffrey Combs. Masterclass Actor and a gift to Sci Fi.
That's that Weyoun fella.
I wish we could have gotten another season at least. I really liked Scott Bakula's evolution as Archer.
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Plot Twist...Archer was a long term Leap...since we (the viewer) see him as know him...his real body is a marginally overweight, deeply introverted, etc etc add any detail you want...
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oh boy...
One of the best episodes in all of Star Trek! ...and the relationship between Archer and Shran was just so perfect!
The legendary Jeffrey Combs. I was so glad when he joined the ST universe.
This scene in my opinion was the moment that Shran and Archer became true friends. Shran developed a deep respect for Archer.
The whole "I'm not going to waste my time talking to walls" approach. And Shran was being a wall.
One thing I always hated from all the Star Trek series, was that aliens always referred to the Enterprise by name. As though they revered it or something. Meanwhile, the humans almost never used alien ship names. It was always identified either by class or by who's ship it was. "A Bird of Prey is approaching" or "Shran's ship is hailing".
I'd never noticed that before but I agree. However I imagine it was a choice made deliberately to reduce confusion in the audience. Broadcast TV in the 90s-2000s, remember
Agreed
there are a few times in DS9 where I think they use the ship's name, they use the klingon flagship's name I believe and martok's bop
In this context that makes since there are only two ships of enterprises type at this point
Didn’t notice but I’d agree. However what bothered me most is how everyone used Earth measurements of time and distance even though that makes no sense. Even a light year is earth centric and would mean different distances to everyone else. And don’t get me started about how everyone seems to run on 24 hr cycles..
Never call a Starfleet Captain's bluff. It could cost your entire homeworld.
Shran betrayed Archer to get the weapon but he comes in the final to really help Archer knowing he owed him that
Shran is a soldier above all, and he was given orders to follow. He had to obey, even if he didnt like it. But once his orders were done with, he might as well help Archer out. He might be a soldier first, he doesnt disregard his personal honor or loyalties to friends if the two dont conflict
@@michelvanderlinden8363 Plus, he saw that the humans would be a valuable ally the his people, a point he brought up when trying to protest his orders and a point Archer proved when the Romulans started instigating conflicts in season 4.
At the end of that episode Shran sends, to Archer, all the detailed scans they took of the prototype weapon. Much more detailed that the humans would have been able to get
Great character Shran.. And Mr Combs great, great performer! 🧢🎓🎩 off
I think he's played at least 4 characters in the Star Trek universe IIRC.
@@KuDastardly And two of then where major characters at that.
Shran hears the Enterprise is approaching and all three of his antennae spring up.
Such a great era for Star Trek and the only series doing it justice was canned early.
I love how they made first contact with many species, got friends with some of them in conflict, trade and science.
And of course the subtle but amazing props, like all the moving antennae from the Andorians. I mean even the actors in the background have moving antennae, not only the 1 or 2 main characters. Amazing detail and work done for a great show that still had a huge potential when it was forced to end.
Jeffrey Combs(Shran) was one of the best characters in this series!
They never gave Enterprise a chance! It was just getting good on its last season. Every Star Trek series (except for TOS) were given 7 years to develop. Unfair treatment if you ask me.
Enterprise was great every time the temporal cold war wasn't involved, it just wasn't a good plot. Unfortunately they seemed to base the series around that and I honestly feel that it killed people's interest. By the time that ended people just didn't care any longer.
Rumor has it if the show had continued on Andoria would have joined the Federation and Shran would have been assigned to the Enterprise as an advisor.
yes, you are correct. that was in the season 5 episode outline scripts Manny wrote and submitted to the network before the show got cancelled. Very astute observation, but yes you are in fact correct. We would have seen A LOT more of Shran and the Andorians. It's a shame too i always like those characters from the original series.
shran was at the charter
Archer won the Academy poker tournament with two uno cards and a packet of mustard.
I mean... he got dealt 5 aces in this one. Then told them he had 5 aces... then showed his hand after winning.
I was so disappointed with how this show was treated. Put on a crap network and lousy time slots this should have been a 7 season show at least. It takes a lot of unfair flak.
The ending was terrible too. I hated what happened to Tripp and Shran
Fortunately Trip's death was retconned in the novels, but there was no saving that Shran got turned into a creep who knocked up a teenage girl.
@@Roguefem76 at least there is that. I was so pissed they wasted both characters
One of the best characters, just...wow
This stuff proved a lot better than the "Temporal Cold War". I know this was technically an outgrowth of it, but honestly that was more of an excuse; they could have written a genuine threat without time travel stuff.
Time travel never really improves a story. At best it merely gives you an excuse to do something silly with stock uniforms, at worst it makes all kinds of plot holes and logic pitfalls. The exception is when time travel is the main conceit of the story, like HG Wells' The Time Machine and its direct derivatives or the first Terminator movie. And even then you're on thin ice.
Still, I would've loved more Enterprise, especially if they focused on the growing enmity with the Romulans and Klingons and other threats as well as typical sci-fi exploration stuff. Maybe even revisit the Iconians; a dreadfully underused Precursor race.
the conversation afterwards would have been priceless! too bad they never showed it to us! 😅
This was my favorite character in Star Trek Enterprise. He had some great lines.
Shran is my absolute favorite characters. He's so honorable and crabby.
One day, Shran and Archer will be the very best of friends. This day that wasn’t true.😂
The evolution of the relation between Shran and Archer was one of my favorite plot points in Enterprise.
You gotta know when to hold 'em, know when to fold 'em.
Know when to walk away, and know when to run.
they blew up the wikipedia logo!
Damn them!!! Damn them all!!!!
And nothing of value was lost.
lol, it's bad enough Shran has to give in to Archer's demands, but having to get 'road-side assistance' from the very captain he failed to swindle from is rubbing insults to injury.
But the best way to earn Shran's respect too. Archer did what he had to do with no other reason than to keep a war from escalating, even if it was against the orders of any military High Command. Shran knew the Andorians wouldn't survive another war so soon, but it was too engrained in him to *not* follow orders, even if he knew better.
Shran likes Archer because Archer is someone Shran wishes he could be from the beginning.
Dont push the Pink-Skins to the thin ice.
Bluffing when you have tell tales such as antennas, would be a bad idea, no wonder the Andorians gave in.
I love and Miss Enterprise. Excellent show.
Andorian anntenae are characters unto themselves!
This is Star Trek ...
Cut just too soon, no captains log and Archer telling how Shran politely declined the offer.
Ordering T'pol to arm the system was an amazing tactical display.
The human knows a Vulcan won't end all of those lives, unless all options have been exhausted and it is logical to do so (see, also; they haven't, this is this first attempt at retrieval, and a bold move)
The Vulcan knows the human isn't going to order the mindless, illogical, slaying of a bunch of otherwise innocent lives
The Andorian suffers no compulsion to think anything other than that the ordered Vulcan officer won't be _thrilled_ to blow them all up, lol
1:55 I love archers "oh shit, really?" Look
Good to see that the Andorians are also embracing the metric system.
This was one of the best scenes from not only that season but the whole series.
The most amusing aspect of ST:E was the portrayal of the Vulcans and the Andorians...the former as arrogant dicks, the latter as righteous chads.
TBH, I came to respect and like the Andorians; and, the show flipped the Vulcan trope on it's head...the was much to admire about this ST series.
This is absolutely Correct my friends. The Captain Archer never Bluffing. Thanks.
All episodes involving shran are awesome
Enterprise was such an underrated series.
I would love to see much more Andorian stuff.
Moments like this made me love Archer. Right behind Sisko as my fav captains.
My favorite Trek since STNG. Bummed me that the exploration theme of some of the 1st season episodes wasn't good enough for ratings.
That's the first star trek clip I've enjoyed in a long time.
Great writing.
I love the fact that humanity gained the Andorians’ respect because they realized quickly we are no pushovers. We’re resourceful, clever, and love to blow things up.
Proving ground is one of my favorite episodes. I wish the andorians had gotten more screen time.
Weyun still causing mischief.
"Don't push the Pink Skins to the thin ice.
💔forever heart broken ENT wasn't given a fair shake/run 🥲
Classic case of "F*ck around and find out".
enterprise took a little while to find the mark. But it did.
Thia ain't the old Archer, bud! This is an Archer who's pissed and on a crusade....you either are with him or against him, and when you're against him, may whatever god or gods you believe in have mercy on your soul, because he won't!
Admiral Adama would be proud!
Truth is being spoken
@@Salisbury2015 *Cain
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He has clearly learned from Commander Ivanova, Captain Sheridan and Delenn
The show deserved a minimum 7 year run.
Archer was a beast in season 3.
that show was so underated. at the time though it felt that DS9's last couple seasons involving the dominion war caused the franchise to have lost it's first love, in which star trek was supposed to be about humanity growing out of it's infancy and reaching toward the stars. This show, though short lived, did bring back the spirit of star trek. The costumes for the reptile Xindi were cringe AF though haha
yes i agree. Star trek fell off the tracks towards the end of DS9 and almost the entire run of Voyager which was a train wreck of a series. After the conclusion of TNG and partway through DS9 Berman and Braga had just run out of ideas. They were burnt out but the network pressed them into another series after Voyager which became Enterprise. Unfortunately most of the lead writers had been let go from DS9 and they had to use Voyager writers early on and they were mediocre at best. It wasn't until Manny Coto took over from Berman and Braga that the show really took off (season 3).
I liked the Xindi arc but they should have gone straight into the Earth Romulan War instead of the Xindi arc which was kinda a waste. If they had i think they would have gotten a better chance at going to season 5, 6, and 7.
I agree Enterprise brought back the spirit of Star Trek after the disastrous run of Voyager, but it also died with Enterprise. Picard and Discovery don't even hold a candle to Enterprise as far as fan ratings go and still don't. Both those series are atrocious.
I kind of disagree. While TOS and TNG had both been about *exploring* the theme that humanity had been growing out of it's infancy, DS9 had been *testing* it.
The theme was, can a progressive, optimistic, post-scarcity society survive, when it's being besieged by enemies, opportunists and tyrants? We've seen the facade crumble a few times. With section 31, or with that starfleet conspiracy. But in the end, the optimism prevailed.
Voyager could have been about the exact inversion: Can people from such a developed society hold onto their ideals when they are stripped of their comforts, their supplies and their technologies? Quark had made that comment about humans turning savage as soon as you turn off the replicators, and we've seen that theme explored in the Equinox two-parter. But sadly, the writers had been too timid to throw any form of actual conflict, actual hardship, actual *consequeces* at Voyager. And so it just petered out without having had anything to say.
Enterprise breathed fresh air into the franchise by again focusing on that theme of humanity having grown up. About them setting out and forming friendships with other races. But it kind of wasn't enough. And if STD or season 1 & 2 of Picard are any indicator, then either people can't write about optimism anymore - or they don't want to hear about it.
@@gaiusbaltar8915 I don't disagree. I hated Voyager. It just seemed like TNG light with a bit of rehashed DS9 episodes. I'm gonna be brutally honest i really disliked Kate Mulgrew's character and how she portrayed Janeway and she was not the only one. In fact several cast members even stated at later ST conventions after the series was concluded that they were constantly fighting one another on and off set which apparently drove Berman and Braga crazy trying to mediate between all of them (squabbling over lines and scenes during filming).
Mulgrew feuded CONSTANTLY with Jeri Ryan (seven of nine) and was intensely jealous of her. Robert Beltran (Commander Chakotay), Roberto Picardo (the Doctor), Jennifer Len (kes), Roxanne Dawson (B'Elanna Torres), and Garrett Wang (Ensign Kim) all had feuds between one another at various points and it showed throughout the show as the cast never really jelled. Mulgrew was also a raging alcoholic throughout much of the show's run and the rest of the cast knew it as Jerri pointed out. Mulgrew even admitted in interviews afterwards that "her heart just wasn't in it throughout much of Voyager's run."
Really the only bright spots in the series were Tuvoc played by Tim Russ who did an excellent job in the role and Jerri Ryan who also played the role of Seven of Nine in a masterful fashion much to the ire of Mulgrew. All in all too much infighting and weak scripts made Voyager a forgettable series.
Shran was beyond cool.
Nobody recycles actors like Star Trek.
Star Fleet Move #3. Kick your rival's butt then offer help. Taught in the third week of the academy.
... and THAT is why Earth was a lead in founding the United Federation of Planets...
I really love how Shran is Weyoun in Andorian disquise.
That Andorran captain. Hmmm. He sounds. Familiar? Almost like. Wayon. Hmm. Intriguing
"don't push the pinkskins to the thin ice"
Yes, he does sound like Weyoun.
weyoun is that you
AH YES the time of good writing and acting.
Never push the pink skins to the thin ice.
Schran's blue mascara😄
Don't mess with ReAnimator
wiillingly. 😏😏
Weyoun in blue
That was actually Shrans last clone =/
Should have been give more shows .
I heard if they got another season he was going to be a main character.
I like Shran. Archer has a square head. Anyone ever see that mid seventies movie in shcool about the square head people, but one guy had a triangle head?
I just relalized that the actor playing Shrean is the same person who played waloo in DS(
Could Cpt. J. Archer somehow have shared a similar fate with Empress Georgiou of the Terran Empire, someone who was sent back in time to save his life and by doing so ensuring the beginning of a peaceful era for the Alpha Quadrant?
Also the coldness with which T'Pol calls out the remaining time till detonation.
Poor Weyoun. Gets isekai's as papa smurf and still cant catch a win
Damn pink skin ;)
I loved this show even the first few seasons. It was the best. But then it fell apart for me.
I can barely remember but it was something about time warps and different dimensions etc etc...