Pierre Madenié 1709 Tarot de Marseille. Unboxing
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- Опубликовано: 19 сен 2024
- First opening and impressions of the oldest Type 2 Marseille deck. Created in Dijon in 1709.
Commonly considered to be the finest and most beautiful carvings of any historical Marseille deck.
Restored by Yves Reynaud in France as a limited edition run wrapped in a copy of the original paper.
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That is a very lovely deck. Full of character, the faces are lovely - but I love the block print detail. Thank you for sharing!
Glad you enjoyed it!
video was great. sound and lighting very good
Thanks for the quick feedback. It was done in a bit of a rush, in less than ideal conditions. Pleased that all 😊
Nice unboxing! The Madenié is an obvious favorite of mine; the faces, the colors, and the faint ghosting is fun. I also love the Paul Marteau! I really dig the blue hair and the minimal color palette.
@@SecondThoughtsAboutTheMission thank you for the kind comments. It means a lot to me. Yes, I really love this deck. As you mentioned in one of your videos, it's a cozy deck, like the Spanish Tarot. I think the Marteau is a bit unpopular these days, but it's one of those that when you look at the cards individually it can seem lacking and underwhelming compared to newer restorations, but when you spread the cards on a table for a reading it jumps out at you and triggers something and is just really clear.
@@Aceofwands688 Plus, the Marteau decks are usually pricey. I adore them!
@@SecondThoughtsAboutTheMission The price is good here in England. Not sure why, because it's still an import. I'm definitely not complaining :)
Hello David. Thank you for this review. You are right about Conver we see the date of 1760 on the two of deniers, even if we know that Conver was active at the beginning of the 19th century, which clearly proves that he had bought the molds. It seems to me that the backs of the cards have been restored, right? I had completely forgotten the green of the sun and on the clothes from the court cards of cups. In fact, I had the copy of Madenié supplied with the "Tarot Pas à Pas" book by Marianne Costa, I did very little reading with the Madenié. And I gave the book and the copy of Madenié to my niece! ^_^ But I remain convinced that it is the most beautiful Type II! I should buy another one, perhaps that of Yves Reynaud, because looking at your review, I realize that I myself have not done a review of this unique tarot. Question: why are there 2 "LE MAT" in the deck? Best regards. David
Thank you for your comments David and the explanations of some details. By the way, your niece was very lucky to be gifted this beautiful deck.
If you freeze some frames on the video it might clarify your query about "Le Mat." I apologise for skipping over that in my initial excitement when opening the box. I was a bit surprised too as the differences aren't immediately obvious. As far as I can see, it is in the red colour bleed on his staff and a masking on his tunic which covers some of the bells on his collar. I did some research and I believe that is how his first edition printed, but this 3rd edition has rectified that. I am surprised that he's added that 'original' card in this one. However, it is the kind tof restoration work I personally approve of in a facsimile deck, but I know many think that is a correction too far! If you look again at the two of deniers scroll, the date is 1709. Also have a look at the writing on the base of the Ace of Coupes: "PATER GRAVEUR A DIJON."
I think it's worth having a copy of this deck - even if it doesn't become one's main deck as it's historically so important and very beautiful to just look at.
One correction, I probably needed to add is that I read that the Chosson deck might be an older Type 2 deck. Do you have more information on that? It's my feeling today that the Type 2 deck may be as old as the Type 1, rather than developed from it. The Vieville being another older variant that didn't quite sell as well? I know that lots of Tarot Historians have pet theories and are keen to advocate for a particular type, but they seldom have compelling evidence as far as I can see. They may of course be right, but until somebody uncovers a Type 0 deck (One researcher I came across believes that the Noblet is the Type 0 deck?) it has to be speculative for me.
Now that I have had a bit more time with the Noblet deck, I intend to do a video review of that one, but not until the autumn now.
Regards
David
@@Aceofwands688 Hello David, Thank you for your reply. Indeed, I understand better the presence of the 2 FOU in the game. it's a very commendable initiative on the part of the creator. I'm still in favor of even minor restorations rather than facsimiles, because when you don't have the original map in front of you, it can be difficult to see certain details that can come out better with a modification of the lines and colors. I'm always in favor of corrections as long as they improve map legibility. I confess I don't know Chosson. I'm not sure that type 2 is from the same period as type 1. It seems to me that the differences between type 1 and type 2 are evolutions from 1 to 2. But this is pure speculation. It's very true that several types of tarot developed in France in the 18th century. We have the anonymous Paris tarot of 1615, Vieiville in 1650, Noblet in 1650. These are 3 totally different tarots. It is therefore possible that type 1 and type 2 developed in parallel. According to my information, no hypothesis has yet been verified by evidence. I don't believe that Noblet is type 0. Nor is Noblet the oldest tarot, it's now Vachier of 1639, a type 1 sold at auction for 65,000EUR (!!!) in March 23. On the other hand, Noblet had a very different point of view from the other craftsmen, putting, for example, a woman and a man in the sun. Noblet was a true scholar if he hadn't made the 1st tarot.
Best regards, David.