For me, I actually quite like this route, as the timetable is the best thing about it. I do however have the Class 700 BML mod installed which comes with the 12 car 700, and I installed the scenery pack too, which I would highly recommend for the full Brighton Main Line experience, as full as we can get in TSW4. When I do my upcoming TSW ranking video, I will rate it highly, mainly for the timetable but I will also highly recommend the aforementioned mods.
16:26 In the UK, old buildings can be grade 1, grade 2 or grade 3 listed which prevents them from being demolished and basically means they are preserved but they have to be of historical significance.
I actually really enjoyed this route when it came out, and the busy timetable really makes it come to life. I wish we had more routes with busy timetables and traffic everywhere. Definitely one of Train Sim World’s best IMO. If only this route had a multiplayer feature with dispatcher mode, I don’t think I’d ever get tired of that.
21:25 Charing Cross - Hastings does indeed as standard run via Orphington. However, when there is engineering works on the SEML north of Tonbridge, SouthEastern will run Hastings services via Redhill through to the BML as far as East Croydon, and then the ELL before reconnecting with the SEML at Bricklayer's arms Junction outside London Bridge. Diverts are primarily manned by crews at Tonbridge who also operate the SN Tonbridge - Redhill service.
Regarding your video about whether to continue making TSW content. You absolutely should and do it how you like with honest opinions. We have plenty of those who will tell us what DTG want us to know, it's good to hear from people who have genuine and fair criticism. Just a tip. Ignore the trolls. They want a rise from you. You'll never please everyone, just keep what you're doing.
The trailers cars of the 460s were earmarked to be added to Class 458 units to make them 5 car units. Hence the early retirement. Plus the 442s were very popular with passengers and crews so made more sense for the BML services to Brighton as they were surplus to requirements after the introduction of the 444s on the SWML. I can recommend the Mod in TSW that gives you a timetable layer with 700s. It's excellent. Totally agree about about a 2005-2015 version or even a slamdoor one with 4-VEPs 319s and 455s
Red -- Signal at danger. Single Yellow -- Signal at caution. Double Yellow -- Signal at preliminary caution. Feathering (flashing) signals is denoting the route is merging on to the main running line; exempting the East Coast Mainline.
the seats are not as bad as ppl say tbh. noting will be as good as Blackpool brunches coz Just Trains are the best and actully care. Norbury is abysmal (my ex local) and the underpass at Clapham Junction is in the wrong place. Great review and good info i wish they could just merge London To Brighton and East Coastway togeather. i also wish that pc versions of the game not be limited by the consol versions, the consol version should be called train sim world lite and understand they don't get everything the pc version dose.
I can assure you London Victoria is not named after Queen Victoria. It is named after the nearby Victoria Street. P.s. the 395 on The Brighton Main Line isnt unprototypical, there was a series of Railtours where 395s where taken off their usual routes in the name of The Royal British Legion charity. Clayton Tunnel draws its name from the nearby area of Clayton.
In recent years they converted Battersea Power Station into a Commercial retail/Residential site while keeping it relatively intact. They had too as being Grade II listed means they can't demolish or extensively alter the structure.
14:30 Yh they're the most uncomfortable chairs in the region, the 466, 465, 376 and 377 are all much nice. It is a shame they're getting rid of the 466 & 465's
Berlin S-Bahn would be great, especially the „Ringbahn“. What I think would also make for a great addon could be the Zurich S-Bahn, although only if they include more than one line as many of them share significant stretches of track.
You were close on the signalling Green: proceed at linespeed Double Yellow: Proceed at reduced speed with caution Single Yellow: proceed at highly reduces speed with caution, be prepared to stop Red: stop
Are there any particular speed limits for single yellow and double yellow? Like in Austria two green stands for 60 kph and one yellow and one green stand for 40 kph..
UK signals are as followed: Green-proceed at full line speed Double yellow-prepare to slow to 45mph Single yellow-sllw down to 45mph Red-do not proceed
Incorrect. There are no set instructions for UK signals. Other than Green: Proceed at line speed Double yellow: preliminary caution. Single yellow: The next signal is likely a red. Red: Stop. Do not proceed. There may, however, be specific instructions in the relevant companies' professional driving policies.
no? simplifying the explanation above even further, double yellow means there's a single yellow next, a single yellow means there's a red next. where exactly did you read about this?
It's always my favourite train sim route but I wish one of these days a sim will add the section that runs to east grinstead / uckfield. I live down that section so would love to see it. Iirc the TSC version made an attempt but stopped where the london zones stop
At 12:58 timestamp you said if you have the Southeastern High Speed add-on I do and I play on the PS4 and I don't see the Class 455 AI services in and out of London Victoria at all. All I see is the Gatwick Express train and London to Brighton Sotuhern train
Fun fact, I watched a Doctor Who episode (the first episode in a season in fact) for which a preserved set of Class 489 and ex-GX Class 488 (Mark 2F) coaches was used.
For an American route I would like to see the north jersey coast line with the alp45 and arrowIII and the alp46 would layer in addition if access of a portion of the NEC tsw3 route(if anyone still cares about that train wreck)
That is a great review. Northern Transpennine was bad because you missed important stuff like there is no light in buildings at night ( in 2024 still playing with a Leeds massive blackout; if you want inmersion here you go…massive blackout in Leeds and Manchester; must be Putin )…but this…hats off…what a great review!👌👌👌
Welcome to the machine is such an underrated Song for Pink Floyd…….I mean, yer trains……erm……more variety of traction required. Especially the 377/s as there wouldn’t be too much work (I think) to remodel the 377/4 to be /7 or /6 and as you’ve mentioned /3’s for the coastway
theres also an annoying glitch on this route where if you spawn in a 12 or 8 car 387 or 377 the door at the rear of the train will stay open and there will be no other way to shut it you cant even manually close it after getting out of the cab etc
@@DC4260Productions I do have the Southeastern, GWR and BML installed in my TSW 4. But it's not there. Not even the Class 465 appears there as AI services.
Great review I would really love a New Zealand route or Australian route in the game it would be great to drive different trains in different countries rather than the same old ones
That was a freeware download from UKTrainSim. Even though that site is gone, a lot of the old files can still be found on the Internet Archive. archive.org/download/ukts-archive-files-29001-30000 (The 5-BEL's file ID is 29327)
I think Dovetail have announced an update where you can customise your own train configuration, meaning you could create the 377/7, adding another coach? Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think it will be added either in TSW4 or TSW5?
Hi. Due to this review, and it not being as shocking and awful as some other add-ons in the game *cough cough, West Cornwall Local, GWE, cough cough* and the incredibly busy route schedule, I am very tempted to buy this route. Also, I believe that you should make a video on how GWE could either be rebuilt or updated, like WSR.
If what I've heard about DTG losing the GWR license is true, then there wouldn't be much point in suggesting any updates for that route, unless it was to be backdated to the 1980s or something.
No wonder the route has aged terribly if they have lost the license. Also, you can now make the 12 car 700/1 in the formation designer.@@DC4260Productions
I don't think so, since the 710s don't run the services out of Highbury & Islington and down the East London Line. I just hope that they'll layer on to the Queens Park to Harrow & Wealdstone section of the Bakerloo Line.
I keep checking the progress of Train sim world hoping it will eventually evolve into the sim it needs to be but it never does. I got fed up with the lack of variant trains on their routes, it’s nothing like real life at all. They create a route and base it around 1 or 2 locos and they’re all you see. The world is dead and lacks any ambience it should portray. Good reviews, just a shame the game is still dragging its heels after all the releases.
I can’t get the layers for this route even though I have all the necessary routes.. I think’s because I play TSW on an Xbox One which (I think) is a Gen 8 console
And for your information The Class 700 ThamesLink don't run in and out from London Victoria during the week. Only on Sundays and only if there's engineering work or if there's a Rail diversion. But no the Class 700 ThamesLink trains don't run in and out of London Victoria
I do remember hearing something about the 700s not running into Victoria; that's why I said nothing about it in the video. I know that they come down from London Bridge and meet the BML at East Croydon.
And I live in London and I'm always in Clapham Junction and Claphan Junction is the busiest station in the world, and the way it's depicted in TSW 4 is not how it looks like in real life because it went a huge overhaul and it's missing the sidings, basically everything
With the add on you get the GX 387 and Southern 377. Layers are The class 166 from great Western express. The 375 from southeastern high speed And the 313 from the 313 add on this only does ecs services. And another layer is a class 66
when the other emus used to or now work on the brighton mainline realized that Dovetail games didnt add them to the brighton mainline the LBSC & bell pullman : disgraceful the class 427 : disgusting the class 73 : dispeakable the class 489 : diplorable the class 460 : distressing the class 442 : disruptive the class 378, class 159, 444, 450 ,458 and the 377 and 387 : disrespectful
i was already not tursting DTG since im a french citizen AND THEY DIDNT EVEN BOTHER TO ADD SOME FRENCH LINES FOR FUCK SAKE I MEAN OH MY GOD WHERE THE FRICK IS IT?
There is the heavily entertaining LGV Mediterranée😂. Ok jokes aside I‘d like to see some French routes as well (I am a highspeed fan so it‘s somewhat nice but when you compare it with the TSC version that‘s already a lot better) especially some Paris metro or RER lines
As PC player you should consider changing the engine.ini (Documents/MyGames/TrainSimWorld4/Saved/Config/WindowsNoEditor), there are a lot of tutorials out there how and what changes can be made there. For instance, you can change the camera borders, so you can use the 8 Cam to fly over the whole map. My changes are: [SystemSettings] ts2.dbg.Camera.MaxHorizontalDistance=20000 ts2.dbg.Camera.MaxVerticalHeight=20000
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For me, I actually quite like this route, as the timetable is the best thing about it. I do however have the Class 700 BML mod installed which comes with the 12 car 700, and I installed the scenery pack too, which I would highly recommend for the full Brighton Main Line experience, as full as we can get in TSW4. When I do my upcoming TSW ranking video, I will rate it highly, mainly for the timetable but I will also highly recommend the aforementioned mods.
It's just a pity that we can't use mods on console
@@stevehornsby7727 Unfortunately
Its a sign to switch to pc mate@stevehornsby7727
The 700 timetable is amazing and makes it that much more busy south of east Croydon
@@GreatEasternMainlineSpotsyou do realize that a lot of people can’t afford a decent PC?
16:26 In the UK, old buildings can be grade 1, grade 2 or grade 3 listed which prevents them from being demolished and basically means they are preserved but they have to be of historical significance.
I actually really enjoyed this route when it came out, and the busy timetable really makes it come to life. I wish we had more routes with busy timetables and traffic everywhere. Definitely one of Train Sim World’s best IMO. If only this route had a multiplayer feature with dispatcher mode, I don’t think I’d ever get tired of that.
Oh btw I think it would also be interesting if you did a review on the MKS Class 460 as I also think that’s a high quality unit.
I might review the Class 460 at some point, but I've already got a long list of add-ons to get through, after I take a break from reviewing.
21:25
Charing Cross - Hastings does indeed as standard run via Orphington. However, when there is engineering works on the SEML north of Tonbridge, SouthEastern will run Hastings services via Redhill through to the BML as far as East Croydon, and then the ELL before reconnecting with the SEML at Bricklayer's arms Junction outside London Bridge. Diverts are primarily manned by crews at Tonbridge who also operate the SN Tonbridge - Redhill service.
Regarding your video about whether to continue making TSW content. You absolutely should and do it how you like with honest opinions. We have plenty of those who will tell us what DTG want us to know, it's good to hear from people who have genuine and fair criticism.
Just a tip. Ignore the trolls. They want a rise from you. You'll never please everyone, just keep what you're doing.
The trailers cars of the 460s were earmarked to be added to Class 458 units to make them 5 car units. Hence the early retirement. Plus the 442s were very popular with passengers and crews so made more sense for the BML services to Brighton as they were surplus to requirements after the introduction of the 444s on the SWML.
I can recommend the Mod in TSW that gives you a timetable layer with 700s. It's excellent. Totally agree about about a 2005-2015 version or even a slamdoor one with 4-VEPs 319s and 455s
Red -- Signal at danger.
Single Yellow -- Signal at caution.
Double Yellow -- Signal at preliminary caution.
Feathering (flashing) signals is denoting the route is merging on to the main running line; exempting the East Coast Mainline.
the seats are not as bad as ppl say tbh.
noting will be as good as Blackpool brunches coz Just Trains are the best and actully care.
Norbury is abysmal (my ex local) and the underpass at Clapham Junction is in the wrong place.
Great review and good info
i wish they could just merge London To Brighton and East Coastway togeather.
i also wish that pc versions of the game not be limited by the consol versions, the consol version should be called train sim world lite and understand they don't get everything the pc version dose.
I can assure you London Victoria is not named after Queen Victoria. It is named after the nearby Victoria Street. P.s. the 395 on The Brighton Main Line isnt unprototypical, there was a series of Railtours where 395s where taken off their usual routes in the name of The Royal British Legion charity. Clayton Tunnel draws its name from the nearby area of Clayton.
That’s silly, it’s named after Victoria st which got its name from queen Victoria in the first place so that made no sense at all.
There is another layer at Clapham Junction. GWR passes north and south around 10 and 15 minutes to and past the hour.
In recent years they converted Battersea Power Station into a Commercial retail/Residential site while keeping it relatively intact. They had too as being Grade II listed means they can't demolish or extensively alter the structure.
23:37 New Zealand railnetwork didn't use same system as UK or something?
14:30 Yh they're the most uncomfortable chairs in the region, the 466, 465, 376 and 377 are all much nice. It is a shame they're getting rid of the 466 & 465's
Berlin S-Bahn would be great, especially the „Ringbahn“.
What I think would also make for a great addon could be the Zurich S-Bahn, although only if they include more than one line as many of them share significant stretches of track.
You were close on the signalling
Green: proceed at linespeed
Double Yellow: Proceed at reduced speed with caution
Single Yellow: proceed at highly reduces speed with caution, be prepared to stop
Red: stop
Are there any particular speed limits for single yellow and double yellow? Like in Austria two green stands for 60 kph and one yellow and one green stand for 40 kph..
@floha978 No. There may, however, be specific instructions in the relevant companies' professional driving policy.
UK signals are as followed:
Green-proceed at full line speed
Double yellow-prepare to slow to 45mph
Single yellow-sllw down to 45mph
Red-do not proceed
Incorrect. There are no set instructions for UK signals. Other than
Green: Proceed at line speed
Double yellow: preliminary caution.
Single yellow: The next signal is likely a red.
Red: Stop. Do not proceed.
There may, however, be specific instructions in the relevant companies' professional driving policies.
no? simplifying the explanation above even further, double yellow means there's a single yellow next, a single yellow means there's a red next. where exactly did you read about this?
Guessing this guy has played a lot of scr
It's always my favourite train sim route but I wish one of these days a sim will add the section that runs to east grinstead / uckfield. I live down that section so would love to see it. Iirc the TSC version made an attempt but stopped where the london zones stop
At 12:58 timestamp you said if you have the Southeastern High Speed add-on I do and I play on the PS4 and I don't see the Class 455 AI services in and out of London Victoria at all. All I see is the Gatwick Express train and London to Brighton Sotuhern train
I’m pretty sure it’s only on the ps5 and the newer Xbox’s and pc
It's only for next Gen consoles
I want to have the Wimbledon to West Croydon route just before it closed in 1997 by Backdated Train Sim.
Fun fact, I watched a Doctor Who episode (the first episode in a season in fact) for which a preserved set of Class 489 and ex-GX Class 488 (Mark 2F) coaches was used.
For an American route I would like to see the north jersey coast line with the alp45 and arrowIII and the alp46 would layer in addition if access of a portion of the NEC tsw3 route(if anyone still cares about that train wreck)
6:22 can I ask what Enhancement pack/mod you used for those clouds? They look ultra realistic
It's not AP's cloud enhancement pack, I know that much, but I don't remember installing any cloud mods for the London to Brighton route.
That is a great review. Northern Transpennine was bad because you missed important stuff like there is no light in buildings at night ( in 2024 still playing with a Leeds massive blackout; if you want inmersion here you go…massive blackout in Leeds and Manchester; must be Putin )…but this…hats off…what a great review!👌👌👌
Welcome to the machine is such an underrated Song for Pink Floyd…….I mean, yer trains……erm……more variety of traction required. Especially the 377/s as there wouldn’t be too much work (I think) to remodel the 377/4 to be /7 or /6 and as you’ve mentioned /3’s for the coastway
how do i go to the Brighton train station i got the mod but i dont have the train and the map
THANK YOU! FOR MY FAVORITE ROUTE!
theres also an annoying glitch on this route where if you spawn in a 12 or 8 car 387 or 377 the door at the rear of the train will stay open and there will be no other way to shut it you cant even manually close it after getting out of the cab etc
I have the Brighton Mainline on my TSW 4 on my PS4, how do you have the Southeastern train Class 377 and the GWR Class 166 train in your BML ????
You need to have the Southeastern Highspeed and Great Western Express routes installed as well as the BML.
That's something I forgot about, largely because I've never played TSW on a console.
@@DC4260Productions I do have the Southeastern, GWR and BML installed in my TSW 4. But it's not there. Not even the Class 465 appears there as AI services.
@@DC4260Productions Unfortunately
You should’ve mentioned the fact that Balcombe, Horley, Salfords and Earlswood don’t have any services
That's something I forgot to mention.
Great review I would really love a New Zealand route or Australian route in the game it would be great to drive different trains in different countries rather than the same old ones
bro, where did u get the 5belle Pullman emu? idk where to find it 😢
That was a freeware download from UKTrainSim. Even though that site is gone, a lot of the old files can still be found on the Internet Archive.
archive.org/download/ukts-archive-files-29001-30000
(The 5-BEL's file ID is 29327)
Thank you for this video. Based on your review, I reinstalled all of these DLC.
Do I need to have the East Coastway route to have the Southern Class 377 on this route?
No it comes included with the route
The timetable is missing the SWR and freight trains too
Unless you are old gen this route is great
I think Dovetail have announced an update where you can customise your own train configuration, meaning you could create the 377/7, adding another coach? Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think it will be added either in TSW4 or TSW5?
It's already in game for pc only
Hi. Due to this review, and it not being as shocking and awful as some other add-ons in the game *cough cough, West Cornwall Local, GWE, cough cough* and the incredibly busy route schedule, I am very tempted to buy this route. Also, I believe that you should make a video on how GWE could either be rebuilt or updated, like WSR.
If what I've heard about DTG losing the GWR license is true, then there wouldn't be much point in suggesting any updates for that route, unless it was to be backdated to the 1980s or something.
They sort of did that with that god awful and pointless Diesel Legends pack. It needs a GWR 387 and 802. A 345 wouldn’t be bad either
No wonder the route has aged terribly if they have lost the license. Also, you can now make the 12 car 700/1 in the formation designer.@@DC4260Productions
I haven't tried that yet, but it's still annoying to not have the 12-car 700 officially added to the game.
@@DC4260Productions Fair enough
maaan talking about SWR, why dont they add a South west trains route to tsw, would be cool to have some desiros
Licensing issues with SWR, I suspect. Just look at the 484 in Island Line 2022; Rivet weren't allowed to include the real livery.
@@DC4260Productions yeah, still would be good tough
@@danimonte7088 despite the fact dovetail have swr livery on the desiros on tsc?
With GOBLIN coming soon, we might get 710s at Battersea park
I don't think so, since the 710s don't run the services out of Highbury & Islington and down the East London Line. I just hope that they'll layer on to the Queens Park to Harrow & Wealdstone section of the Bakerloo Line.
I wish that they bring back the rush hour routes, those are my favorite route's😂
I keep checking the progress of Train sim world hoping it will eventually evolve into the sim it needs to be but it never does. I got fed up with the lack of variant trains on their routes, it’s nothing like real life at all. They create a route and base it around 1 or 2 locos and they’re all you see. The world is dead and lacks any ambience it should portray. Good reviews, just a shame the game is still dragging its heels after all the releases.
I can’t get the layers for this route even though I have all the necessary routes.. I think’s because I play TSW on an Xbox One which (I think) is a Gen 8 console
Yeah if you had a series X/S you get those extra services
Tauranga is NZ? You Live in GB?
No, I don't live in England.
This is currently the only UK TSW4 dlc that i dont own.
And for your information The Class 700 ThamesLink don't run in and out from London Victoria during the week. Only on Sundays and only if there's engineering work or if there's a Rail diversion. But no the Class 700 ThamesLink trains don't run in and out of London Victoria
I do remember hearing something about the 700s not running into Victoria; that's why I said nothing about it in the video. I know that they come down from London Bridge and meet the BML at East Croydon.
You forgot to mention the newest SWR Class 701s and the Class 455
And I live in London and I'm always in Clapham Junction and Claphan Junction is the busiest station in the world, and the way it's depicted in TSW 4 is not how it looks like in real life because it went a huge overhaul and it's missing the sidings, basically everything
I want a london-epsom/epsom downs
Why do modern British trains have crap seats?
Why, privatisation of course. That's the tax-haven domiciled shareholders' money old boy.
They don't though,there are some emus that have nice seating
I just hope we got a London - Portsmouth
Its a little dull though
In the add-on. Do you need other dlc to make it full?
With the add on you get the GX 387 and Southern 377. Layers are The class 166 from great Western express. The 375 from southeastern high speed And the 313 from the 313 add on this only does ecs services. And another layer is a class 66
Undrivable layers include Class 43 visible at 5pm at Clapham Junction. Class 09 at Brighton and 465 at Victoria
Hi folks as US train engineer the boston route shouldnt be on rushhour because there not many trains like london commuter
when the other emus used to or now work on the brighton mainline realized that Dovetail games didnt add them to the brighton mainline
the LBSC & bell pullman : disgraceful
the class 427 : disgusting
the class 73 : dispeakable
the class 489 : diplorable
the class 460 : distressing
the class 442 : disruptive
the class 378, class 159, 444, 450 ,458 and the 377 and 387 : disrespectful
wow that a lot of classe
I've always enjoyed your reviews, but correctly pronouncing "Lewes" in this video takes it to another level.
and good job there DC 4260
i was already not tursting DTG since im a french citizen AND THEY DIDNT EVEN BOTHER TO ADD SOME FRENCH LINES FOR FUCK SAKE I MEAN OH MY GOD WHERE THE FRICK IS IT?
There is the heavily entertaining LGV Mediterranée😂. Ok jokes aside I‘d like to see some French routes as well (I am a highspeed fan so it‘s somewhat nice but when you compare it with the TSC version that‘s already a lot better) especially some Paris metro or RER lines
This is one of my favourite routes t use in custom scenarios but the detail in tsw2 is awful
I hope you know as much as I love your content watch ya language your not cool for it ok?
As PC player you should consider changing the engine.ini (Documents/MyGames/TrainSimWorld4/Saved/Config/WindowsNoEditor), there are a lot of tutorials out there how and what changes can be made there. For instance, you can change the camera borders, so you can use the 8 Cam to fly over the whole map. My changes are:
[SystemSettings]
ts2.dbg.Camera.MaxHorizontalDistance=20000
ts2.dbg.Camera.MaxVerticalHeight=20000