Really? I have a select+ on my Tallboy and I don’t like the feel of the compression. Either way it’s to harsh at low speeds or to soft at high speeds.. What do I need to change to get the ultimate compression damping?
@@LoveMTB thanks for the reply! At the moment I have 1 spacer in the fork and I weigh about 75kgs. I never played around with the volume spacers since I always thought they make the fork harsher which I really dislike. But maybe I should by some and try it out. Maybe then I get the smooth small bump compliance while still having enough support at the end of the travel. Maybe I also should look into tuning options like FAST etc.
Thanks for your vid. Great info as always. But I think the 19/20 spring is actually better, you just have to size up 10mm to adjust for the "suckdown". The torque caps actually work, it's not just marketing. I have 3 lyriks and 1 pike. 3 of them have charger 2 and one of them have the 2.1 ultimate damper. The new select supposedly use a new compression assembly unlike the charger 2 I have, and although it has some plastic parts it's supposed to be real good. I like the rc2 better than the rct3. But lately I have fallen completely in love the Manitou Mezzer Pro. It's extremely good, and I like it even more than the RS stuff. It has 3 air chambers instead of 2, only weighs 2 kg for 29", and has a superior damper IMO, and can be adjusted very easily from 140mm to 180mm with just some spacers on the spring. I still love the RS stuff though, and one of the reasons I love RS is how easy they are to work on. A large service is super easy, you just have to know how to bleed brakes and you can basically also bleed the charger. If you do your own service, I can recommend looking up the new service manual. They changed a few things in 20/21, so now they recommend using dynamic seal grease and a few drops of lower leg oil during spring service. I recently pulled apart the compression unit of a broken charger 2 damper and fixed it with new orings under the bladder. That's the only thing I dislike about charger 2, they stopped selling the service parts like bladders and such for it, unlike the older charger1 units, so I had to get unoriginal parts to fix the damper.
@@LoveMTB Did you ever get to try the 2021 150mm air spring? The good thing is you can swap the foot nut and seal head from your 2020 B1 140mm onto the 2021 C1 150mm shaft if you need 150mm but end up preferring the 2020 feel.
I use 2018 130 Pike RCT3 came with charger 2. I replaced the airspring to the new 2021 130. I use torque caps because the axle always seemed to need adjustment without them. It stiffens the fork a bit. 3 tokens and sram recommended settings is perfect for me. Tried 4 tokens but it just would not dial in on either airspring too harsh.
I have certainly experienced the annoyance of a torque cap compatible without a torque cap hub. It makes wheel swapping more slightly more difficult as you have to lign up the wheel perfectly with the fork. There's nothing stopping it from moving a little bit in any direction...
True! It only works if you have a torque cap hub, otherwise it's just annoying! I can recommend Hunt wheels if you are market for new wheels and switch wheels often. They have a small torque cap adapter for the hub (you need to ask for it when ordering) and you can put it on/take it off when you switch forks between torque fork and normal interface.
@@sebastianjost Absolutely. Lots of hubs has torque cap available adapters, I think hope has them too. I just mentioned Hunt because that's the only ones I have personal experience with, but good comment you are right, it's a real good idea to check the hub you already have before getting new wheels :) One thing to mention though, Manitou on their forks has a system where the (non torque) hub sits in fork without the axle. It has a small indent where it sits, so you can put on the wheel and let it go while you fetch the axle. Loving that, even though it's such a small thing.
Great sluff as usual! I bought a 2021 29 130mm Pike Select for my Chameleon to replace my 2019 DVO Sapphire and it is better in every way. As for the Torque Caps, I recently converted my DT Swiss XM1700s for the sole reason that I was tired of fighting with reinstalling the wheel during maintenance. I also don't like the thought of the hub end cap not being supported by the fork without TCs. As for steering precision and stiffness? I feel zero difference..... but I'm still glad I converted.
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@@LoveMTB I had a 2020 Ultimate 150mm. I got it feeling decent but riding it back to back with my Fox 34 I definitely could feel the quality of the HSC on the Fox was better. Went to Moab for a week in June and that bike had a Fox 36. Again, better quality damping. I had wondered if the 2021 damper would have helped but I was tired of fiddling with it. Was always plush on roots and small stuff. It’s a great fork as far as stiffness and weight. Wish I could have had more luck dialing it in to my liking.
You say the normal Select comes with the older style Charger Damper, but that's not the case. They come with no Bladder at all and have an total different IFP style damper instead. I was pretty confused about that misleading use of the Charger name, from RS on there Select Models. I can't say anything against them, because I didn't test one. Thought just it's a bit odd to use this name.
My norco fluid fs1 came with a rockshox pike and I think it's the only bike in this price range with a fork this good. Considering it's only a $3600 bike ($2875 USD) it's pretty good value
This fork comes on the Giant Trance X Advanced Pro 29 2 and is about $1k less than the Giant Trance X Advanced Pro 29 1 that comes with a Fox 36 Performance Elite. There are more components that come with the $1k difference of course. What are your thoughts on these two bike options?
@@LoveMTB Thank you. I mean it does have other components like: Fox 36 Performance Elite, Fox Float DPX2 Performance, SRAM G2 R brake system and the GX groupset compared to the RockShox Pike Select, RockShox Deluxe Select+, Shimano MT520 hydraulic 4-piston brake system and NX groupset. I'm just getting ready to upgrade from my hardtail to a full suspension and want to make sure I get into the right bike with minimum upgrades in the future.
would a new charger 2.1 affect the fork positively for a lockout knob or something compared to a sid lockout dampener fork, want to get the pike ready to climb up hills with lockout, but the dampener owned is select and wont go lockout only light lockout of stanchions and lsc dial, no other dials, im confused on the compression of the old dampener that comes with the pike 2022 select.
@@resolve638 these are trail forks if they give you a full lockout then the fork will few too stiff. Why not get an XC fork if that’s what you’re after?
@@LoveMTB as its a bit late into the full lockout change could i grab a fork damper + seal kit spf, and save money before adapting the fork to take a xc fork, cause its not meant for only xc rides now.
Im tempted by the pike ultimate 2021 for my stumpjumper alloy. I currently have the stock fox rhythm 34 with 150mm of travel and basic grip damper but the RS fork im looking at are the 140mm model. Is this a sensible upgrade? Everything iv read leads me to believe that the pike ult is a much better trail fork and loosing 10mm of travel is no big deal if it improves the ride quality?
Hi there, if you like your fork right now, I would just service it. We've been using a Select SID for 2 years now and I wouldn't upgrade anything on it even though there are options. Expensive and a jump in the unknown, might as well sell your current fork and buy a new one?
Late the party, I have a 2021 Pike Select that came with my Optic, no real experience with a modern fork, is the 2.1 damper a significant upgrade? Great channel.
Lots of useful information there. I’m going to buy the basic select fork as I don’t think the extra cash for the 2.1 damper will be worth it (or at least I won’t be able to feel the difference). Forks have gotten so good in recent years that even the basic models are so much better than I’m used to.
Trust me, you will feel the difference. Bought an ultimate in the sales - 600 quid. Just been out for the first time with them and straight away I could feel the plushness of the new fork - improved my Whyte 905, feels like a new bike.....having said that, I'm not sure I'd pay the full price of 900 quid or so.
As usually very interesting and detailed explanation. Thank you. Could you please make a video about difference between fox performance, performance elite and factory(or without factory because it's the same like elite) if you maybe have some Fox forks. I own performance fork and it's quite interesting is it worth to upgrade. Thanks
Spot on information! Reading comments below it seems like there still is confusion regarding damper units in the different Pike offerings. So I will give it a second try. 2021 Pike Ultimate, Charger 2.1 RC2 damper, where RC2 is Rebound + High & Low speed compression dials. There is also a 2021 Pike Ultimate Charger 2.1 RCT3 version available, same damper unit as in the old 2019 Pike RCT3. Where RCT3 is Rebound dial + low-speed Compression dial + 3 position compression lock-out lever (open + Traction/pedal + firm/lock). 2021 Pike Select+, Charger 2.1 RC. Same damper as Ultimate RC2 above except single dial for compression. Same damper as in the old 2019 Pike RC. This is why it's a great option if you can find the Select+ OEM version at good price. 2021 Pike Select, Charger RC. Basic non-bladder damper. Same damper as the old 2019 Revelation Charger RC. A budget fork!
Thanks. Dunno if you meant my comment, but mine weas clear as mud anyway :) Yeah the "budget" RC damper (much better than MC) starting from 2019 is what I meant, the one with the self bleeding cartridge. When I was referring to 2 and 2.1 it's because the 2.1 I have is RC2, not because 2.1 doesn't have RCT3 available but I can see how I wasn't being clear. RC2 makes the fork better because HSC is a bit under damped (for me) otherwise. Anyway, the RC unit is without the bladder and is coil backed. I'd like to try one some day. The folks at mtbr seems very happy with it.
Thanks for your excellent video. I want to know what is the difference between charger 2 and 2.1? Also want to know if there is an upgrade charger 2.1 damper with remote lock. Thanks again
I got an offer for a revelation 2021? I read that the only different is the damper. Where the revelation can’t tune the lower speed compression? What do u think? Should i wait n save up for a Pike? Or pull the trigger and update the damper later when the service time comes?
Hey how you doing I have a 2021 Pike 140 29er with 42 mm offset I bought it brand new I had it now for almost a year from the moment I got it I thought it was awesome I love it I just coming off of 120 revelation with 35 mm stanchions I love that fork but on the Pike I just have the basic dampener with five clicks of adjustment and I can't tell too much of a difference when the charger dampener is fully closed or open it doesn't feel much different it's a tiny bit stiffer but that's it is that how it's supposed to be I have no complaint with the fork other than that I probably will be upgrading the dampener soon but it felt like the dampener on the Revelation was better and it was the basic dampener that came with the fork
@@LoveMTB yes I do and thank you very much that's what the bike shop was telling me I just wanted another opinion after watching your video four times it had one volume spacer and I put a total of three in there and that seemed to alleviate the tiny bit of compression issue I had
Question I’m building my first bike which is a Ragley “big Al “I was looking into the pike ultimate in a 140 mm . I don’t do bike park Regularly but I do plan on going occasionally my question is is that a good enough fork for those times I go there to handle some jumps and what the bike park may throw at me?
Love (no pun intendted) your videos. Always very informative and helpful. Totally off topic, but do you have a video or suggestion for attaching a Shimano I Spec shifter to a bar clamp brake? Thanks
@@LoveMTB just need to upgrade my fork, and I am not sure if go for select or ultimate. Honestly if you were blindfolded could you notice any difference in the riding?
@@LoveMTB I ride a trail/enduro hardtail with a Judy 130mm and I can absolutely feel its limit. So I wanted a better fork (with same travel, since it's not the travel my concern) and I opted for the pike.
Hi I'm from Brazil! I'm looking for a trail bike and came across the following suspensions: Pike Select, Pike Select+ and Yaris RC, all 140mm. can you tell me which would be a good choice?! congratulations on the work!
@@LoveMTB Maybe just talk little about it , and how it affects Feel and Handling Compared to your OLD bikes and NEWER Frames - how the Frames getting Longer and STEMS Shorter
Thanks! Do you think the Pike feels stiffer than the 34? I want something that feels a little closer to a 36, which I have on a different bike, but don’t want the weight penalty of a 36 or Lyrik.
Hello, i have the pike 2020 select, i bought a second hand cf7 canyon. I noticed that my fork even if i close tha damper compression full, the fork does not become stiff and behave almost the same sas the damper compression is fully open. Is this how the fork works or there is a problem with the fork? I have the 160 travel fork
@@LoveMTB i also want to point out that rockshox has cut some considerable corners to save money on the production of the pike select. What they advertise as a charger RC damper is actually very different from the (good) charger damper that you have in the other fork. It doesn't use an expandable bladder but a very poorly made IFP which adds quite a bit of friction. Also they stiffened the compression circuits A LOT so that they could advertise a "lockout" but even when ran fully open the fork feels very harsh. Lighter riders (like me) will find the fork almost unusable as it'll feel extremely uncomfortable on bigger impacts. I'm probably going to buy a bike with a pike select sooner or later and i plan on replacing the damper right away.
@@LoveMTB oh i didn't know the normal charger had stiffer compression valving. But still, the new charger RC with the IFP can't really be tuned that easily because there are no informations on tuning it and you would need to make lots of experiments to find a good tune. In the only forum that i saw about it the guy who disassembled the fork initially couldn't even get to the shims...
@@Andrea-qg5yk I don't doubt your experience, but it is far different than mine. I'm a 225lb rider with a 2021 Pike Select and I couldn't be happier. Coming off of a 2019 DVO Sapphire, the small bump sensitivity is in a different league as is the mid stroke and bottom out resistance. Just more support for me from the Pike.... and that's with the factory assembly and non SKF seals. I've got SKF seals ready to install when I do my first lower leg/air spring service and am curious to see how good RS's factory assembly was and if the seals actually make a difference I can feel.
@@ThunderStruckMTB nono i don't actually have any experience. That's just what I've heard from some reviews. Also what worries me is the damper being too stiff... That's not a problem for you but I'm 58 kg which is about 128 pounds and the compression even if fully open will be too hard for me. The rebound will also be too slow, i tried using the rockshox trailhead app to see what it would say and it recommended fully open rebound, and that worries me. If i get a bike with a pike select/select plus I will definitely install the charger 2.1 RC2 damper and I'll also probably tune it for a lighter tune.
Hi there Love MTB! I just bought a new take off 2020 Pike select+ in glossy black colour, (just as you recommended to do), and coming from a cheaper RS Sektor with a motion control damper, i was just wondering, the Pike damper has no “lock-out feeling” even if i turn the compression completely clockwise?? Because on my Sektor’s damper, it is almost a lock-out when fully turned clockwise..? Thanks in advance man!
I also bought a newish take off Lyrik Select+ that had no compression damping at all. I was lucky and the prior owner opened an warranty case at his retailer. I was able to send it to the retailer and SRAM accepted the warranty case and changed the damper. The fork arrives next week so I can't talk about any details yet, but I have read about several new forks with air in the bladder system. That should have affects like this.
@@shlegomio can i try and contact SRAM myself eventhough i am not the original owner? i feel like there is something wrong with its damper, there is barely any changes on all the settings..
@@blankpointdale You can try and ask them, but usually this warranty is just for the original Owner, so I would say you need at least a copy of the bike receipt. My seller was a very nice guy and he just mailed his retailer, after they already known him. They arranged the rest and did all the communication with SRAM. Anyways, you can try and fix it yourself, or let it do your local bike store. Could be fixed after a simple bleed of the closed Charger unit.
@@LoveMTB I'm pretty light at 65kg so i'm running low-ish pressures at 50-55psi to get around 25% sag. It doesn't just not lock out, I can't feel a difference at all. What kind of difference should I feel? It's low speed compression, right?
The channel is great really enjoying the content. I am giving a old rocky Mtn Stratos a makeover and want to upgrade the forks. Seems hard to find 26" with 1 1/8" stem. 100mm travel Does anyone have solid recommendation for this? Thanks in advance
Hi, any chance you could share your thoughts on Pike vs budget fork such as Recon please? My bike came with Recon fork which in all honesty is sufficient for my trails and my kind of riding however I wonder whether premium forks such as Pike offer significantly better small bump sensitivity + better damping over longer descends at higher speed. The Motion Control damper simply cannot take the repeated hits and basically stops functioning during long descends. Is the Charger damper worth the price tag please? If yes, can it be said about all of the Charger damper versions? There are a few out there these days. I have my eye also on forks such as Revelation but since it runs also the MC damper I doubt it will offer any improvement over the Recon besides more stiffness and less weight. I am really an average rider who isn’t concerned about the weight much and rather puts emphasis on ride quality. Thanks a lot for your feedback.
@@LoveMTB Thank u for a prompt feedback! I ride mostly green/blue trails. Occasionally I hit some rocky descend but not too often. Even though I weigh around 230 I never felt the Recon not being stiff enough for me. I just wish for better small bump sensitivity (like immediately after lower leg service) and damping on those longer descends. I never came close to bottoming out the Recon. As mentioned earlier weight of the fork isn’t top priority. Pike would sure be super nice as I keep reading nothing but good stuff about the Charger damper but it’s pricey and I am not a fan of buying something I really don’t need.
I've also heard that it's a bad fork. Mainly because what they advertise as "charger damper" is very different from an actual charger damper. It doesn't use a bladder to accomodate displaced oil but it uses a very poorly executed IFP (internal floating piston). Also the compression circuits are very closed and that makes the fork feel very harsh
@@Andrea-qg5yk yes. 1st one that I bought arrived seized. I sent it back and got replacement. It was better but still feel harsh. I replaced the dust seals with SKF and I used motorex fork oil. That helped a bit. Then I updated Debon air spring foot nut what made noticeable difference. After 10 months lower leg cracked 😂 I got full refund and bought lyrik ultimate
@@LoveMTB select+ is far better than select. Select doesn't even come with threaded ring for your axle. Thread is cut right in alloy. Very bad quality fork. Seals were also very sticky. It gave me very bad knocking sensation in handlebars.
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The cool thing about these is that you can upgrade the Select all the way up to the Ultimate. They are identical, except for the damper.
Really?
I have a select+ on my Tallboy and I don’t like the feel of the compression.
Either way it’s to harsh at low speeds or to soft at high speeds..
What do I need to change to get the ultimate compression damping?
@@LoveMTB thanks for the reply!
At the moment I have 1 spacer in the fork and I weigh about 75kgs.
I never played around with the volume spacers since I always thought they make the fork harsher which I really dislike.
But maybe I should by some and try it out.
Maybe then I get the smooth small bump compliance while still having enough support at the end of the travel.
Maybe I also should look into tuning options like FAST etc.
I love my shiny silver 2020 140 Pike Ultimate :)
Thanks for your vid. Great info as always. But I think the 19/20 spring is actually better, you just have to size up 10mm to adjust for the "suckdown". The torque caps actually work, it's not just marketing. I have 3 lyriks and 1 pike. 3 of them have charger 2 and one of them have the 2.1 ultimate damper. The new select supposedly use a new compression assembly unlike the charger 2 I have, and although it has some plastic parts it's supposed to be real good. I like the rc2 better than the rct3. But lately I have fallen completely in love the Manitou Mezzer Pro. It's extremely good, and I like it even more than the RS stuff. It has 3 air chambers instead of 2, only weighs 2 kg for 29", and has a superior damper IMO, and can be adjusted very easily from 140mm to 180mm with just some spacers on the spring. I still love the RS stuff though, and one of the reasons I love RS is how easy they are to work on. A large service is super easy, you just have to know how to bleed brakes and you can basically also bleed the charger. If you do your own service, I can recommend looking up the new service manual. They changed a few things in 20/21, so now they recommend using dynamic seal grease and a few drops of lower leg oil during spring service. I recently pulled apart the compression unit of a broken charger 2 damper and fixed it with new orings under the bladder. That's the only thing I dislike about charger 2, they stopped selling the service parts like bladders and such for it, unlike the older charger1 units, so I had to get unoriginal parts to fix the damper.
@@LoveMTB Did you ever get to try the 2021 150mm air spring? The good thing is you can swap the foot nut and seal head from your 2020 B1 140mm onto the 2021 C1 150mm shaft if you need 150mm but end up preferring the 2020 feel.
would a new charger 2.1 affect the fork positively for a lockout knob or something compared to a sid lockout dampener fork,
I have the 2019 , I’ll be upgrading just because lol some say big deal some say not . I think the air yes
nice that you can upgrade the damper on the rockshox oem forks... with the fox oem (rhythm) that's not possible
i don't think the grip 2 damper fits in rhythm forks, could be wrong though
i like to be able to adjust hsc/lsc on my bikes!!
Torque caps are a noticeable improvement- I was skeptical until I tried em. Like power steering
Hello, I liked your video to inform me about the fork, but I wonder why you put a 150 mm kit instead of a 160 mm kit?
I have the Pike Ultimate and just look at that silver in the sun 🤤🤤
I use 2018 130 Pike RCT3 came with charger 2. I replaced the airspring to the new 2021 130. I use torque caps because the axle always seemed to need adjustment without them. It stiffens the fork a bit. 3 tokens and sram recommended settings is perfect for me. Tried 4 tokens but it just would not dial in on either airspring too harsh.
I have certainly experienced the annoyance of a torque cap compatible without a torque cap hub.
It makes wheel swapping more slightly more difficult as you have to lign up the wheel perfectly with the fork. There's nothing stopping it from moving a little bit in any direction...
True! It only works if you have a torque cap hub, otherwise it's just annoying! I can recommend Hunt wheels if you are market for new wheels and switch wheels often. They have a small torque cap adapter for the hub (you need to ask for it when ordering) and you can put it on/take it off when you switch forks between torque fork and normal interface.
@@TeamCykelhold I'm pretty sure dtswiss and probably magic also have torque cap adapters that are easy to remove.
They may cost a bit extra though
@@sebastianjost Absolutely. Lots of hubs has torque cap available adapters, I think hope has them too. I just mentioned Hunt because that's the only ones I have personal experience with, but good comment you are right, it's a real good idea to check the hub you already have before getting new wheels :) One thing to mention though, Manitou on their forks has a system where the (non torque) hub sits in fork without the axle. It has a small indent where it sits, so you can put on the wheel and let it go while you fetch the axle. Loving that, even though it's such a small thing.
Great sluff as usual! I bought a 2021 29 130mm Pike Select for my Chameleon to replace my 2019 DVO Sapphire and it is better in every way. As for the Torque Caps, I recently converted my DT Swiss XM1700s for the sole reason that I was tired of fighting with reinstalling the wheel during maintenance. I also don't like the thought of the hub end cap not being supported by the fork without TCs. As for steering precision and stiffness? I feel zero difference..... but I'm still glad I converted.
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like always ,detailed explanation ! Thank you Gibs!
Very frustrated with the harsh high speed compression on the Pike. Doesn’t match the Fox offerings in that regard.
@@LoveMTB I had a 2020 Ultimate 150mm. I got it feeling decent but riding it back to back with my Fox 34 I definitely could feel the quality of the HSC on the Fox was better. Went to Moab for a week in June and that bike had a Fox 36. Again, better quality damping. I had wondered if the 2021 damper would have helped but I was tired of fiddling with it. Was always plush on roots and small stuff. It’s a great fork as far as stiffness and weight. Wish I could have had more luck dialing it in to my liking.
You say the normal Select comes with the older style Charger Damper, but that's not the case. They come with no Bladder at all and have an total different IFP style damper instead. I was pretty confused about that misleading use of the Charger name, from RS on there Select Models. I can't say anything against them, because I didn't test one. Thought just it's a bit odd to use this name.
Thanks for explaining the difference b/n select and +
Still using butter on the upper seal head on air chamber?
My norco fluid fs1 came with a rockshox pike and I think it's the only bike in this price range with a fork this good. Considering it's only a $3600 bike ($2875 USD) it's pretty good value
This fork comes on the Giant Trance X Advanced Pro 29 2 and is about $1k less than the Giant Trance X Advanced Pro 29 1 that comes with a Fox 36 Performance Elite. There are more components that come with the $1k difference of course.
What are your thoughts on these two bike options?
@@LoveMTB Thank you. I mean it does have other components like:
Fox 36 Performance Elite, Fox Float DPX2 Performance, SRAM G2 R brake system and the GX groupset compared to the RockShox Pike Select, RockShox Deluxe Select+, Shimano MT520 hydraulic 4-piston brake system and NX groupset.
I'm just getting ready to upgrade from my hardtail to a full suspension and want to make sure I get into the right bike with minimum upgrades in the future.
Quality review! Does this fork lock out compression? Dont notice any change when stationary and applying weight
Not completely, that's mostly for more XC like forks.
thanks. I just switched from a fox 34. So it is a little different
@@coltrg yeah that’s one of the differences between them
thanks i ride 2018 giant trance 2. Same colour you also reviewed. It is still a great bike
@@LoveMTB
Yeah great bike! Happy trails@@coltrg
would a new charger 2.1 affect the fork positively for a lockout knob or something compared to a sid lockout dampener fork,
want to get the pike ready to climb up hills with lockout, but the dampener owned is select and wont go lockout only light lockout of stanchions and lsc dial, no other dials, im confused on the compression of the old dampener that comes with the pike 2022 select.
@@resolve638 these are trail forks if they give you a full lockout then the fork will few too stiff. Why not get an XC fork if that’s what you’re after?
@@LoveMTB as its a bit late into the full lockout change could i grab a fork damper + seal kit spf, and save money before adapting the fork to take a xc fork, cause its not meant for only xc rides now.
Im tempted by the pike ultimate 2021 for my stumpjumper alloy. I currently have the stock fox rhythm 34 with 150mm of travel and basic grip damper but the RS fork im looking at are the 140mm model. Is this a sensible upgrade?
Everything iv read leads me to believe that the pike ult is a much better trail fork and loosing 10mm of travel is no big deal if it improves the ride quality?
Great vid. I am doing a 200hr service on select+ with a charger 2.1 rc damper. Would you up grade it and to what? Thanks
Hi there, if you like your fork right now, I would just service it. We've been using a Select SID for 2 years now and I wouldn't upgrade anything on it even though there are options. Expensive and a jump in the unknown, might as well sell your current fork and buy a new one?
I got the 130mm for my hard tail and it was the best $700 I ever spent
Late the party, I have a 2021 Pike Select that came with my Optic, no real experience with a modern fork, is the 2.1 damper a significant upgrade? Great channel.
@@LoveMTB Yeah, first new bike in 20 years. I see you're in the Toronto area (well, RUclips says so). I normally ride the Don. Have a good one.
Is there a big dif bet select + vs ultimate?
Lots of useful information there. I’m going to buy the basic select fork as I don’t think the extra cash for the 2.1 damper will be worth it (or at least I won’t be able to feel the difference). Forks have gotten so good in recent years that even the basic models are so much better than I’m used to.
Trust me, you will feel the difference. Bought an ultimate in the sales - 600 quid. Just been out for the first time with them and straight away I could feel the plushness of the new fork - improved my Whyte 905, feels like a new bike.....having said that, I'm not sure I'd pay the full price of 900 quid or so.
How does a 3.0 tire do with these shocks?
Hi, does the charger 3 lock the fork when fully closed ? thanks
As usually very interesting and detailed explanation. Thank you.
Could you please make a video about difference between fox performance, performance elite and factory(or without factory because it's the same like elite) if you maybe have some Fox forks. I own performance fork and it's quite interesting is it worth to upgrade. Thanks
Spot on information! Reading comments below it seems like there still is confusion regarding damper units in the different Pike offerings. So I will give it a second try.
2021 Pike Ultimate, Charger 2.1 RC2 damper, where RC2 is Rebound + High & Low speed compression dials. There is also a 2021 Pike Ultimate Charger 2.1 RCT3 version available, same damper unit as in the old 2019 Pike RCT3. Where RCT3 is Rebound dial + low-speed Compression dial + 3 position compression lock-out lever (open + Traction/pedal + firm/lock).
2021 Pike Select+, Charger 2.1 RC. Same damper as Ultimate RC2 above except single dial for compression. Same damper as in the old 2019 Pike RC. This is why it's a great option if you can find the Select+ OEM version at good price.
2021 Pike Select, Charger RC. Basic non-bladder damper. Same damper as the old 2019 Revelation Charger RC. A budget fork!
Thanks. Dunno if you meant my comment, but mine weas clear as mud anyway :) Yeah the "budget" RC damper (much better than MC) starting from 2019 is what I meant, the one with the self bleeding cartridge. When I was referring to 2 and 2.1 it's because the 2.1 I have is RC2, not because 2.1 doesn't have RCT3 available but I can see how I wasn't being clear. RC2 makes the fork better because HSC is a bit under damped (for me) otherwise. Anyway, the RC unit is without the bladder and is coil backed. I'd like to try one some day. The folks at mtbr seems very happy with it.
can i get a pike select+ 20192022 to be offered in rc to charger 2.1 rc with a lockout lever or not
Encore une bonne présentation, merci👍👍👍
Thanks for your excellent video. I want to know what is the difference between charger 2 and 2.1? Also want to know if there is an upgrade charger 2.1 damper with remote lock.
Thanks again
did u find this out
REBA OR PIKE SELECT??? PLEASE
I got an offer for a revelation 2021? I read that the only different is the damper. Where the revelation can’t tune the lower speed compression? What do u think? Should i wait n save up for a Pike? Or pull the trigger and update the damper later when the service time comes?
@@LoveMTB thanks man. I shall wait for a used Pike.
Hey how you doing I have a 2021 Pike 140 29er with 42 mm offset I bought it brand new I had it now for almost a year from the moment I got it I thought it was awesome I love it I just coming off of 120 revelation with 35 mm stanchions I love that fork but on the Pike I just have the basic dampener with five clicks of adjustment and I can't tell too much of a difference when the charger dampener is fully closed or open it doesn't feel much different it's a tiny bit stiffer but that's it is that how it's supposed to be I have no complaint with the fork other than that I probably will be upgrading the dampener soon but it felt like the dampener on the Revelation was better and it was the basic dampener that came with the fork
@@LoveMTB yes I do and thank you very much that's what the bike shop was telling me I just wanted another opinion after watching your video four times it had one volume spacer and I put a total of three in there and that seemed to alleviate the tiny bit of compression issue I had
I am running a
29” 2020 pike select 150mm travel, can the travel be upgraded to 160mm?
hello
im building a new bike which is a 2020 stumpy evo 29er and i want to buy a pike, what offset should i get for my build?
Hey my friend.. just got a titanium HT trail build and thought a pike would match well. What’s your take on sc34 vs pike 130 @lovemtb?
Question I’m building my first bike which is a Ragley “big Al “I was looking into the pike ultimate in a 140 mm . I don’t do bike park Regularly but I do plan on going occasionally my question is is that a good enough fork for those times I go there to handle some jumps and what the bike park may throw at me?
@@LoveMTB yes that’s how I rock out! HARD……..tail that is lol ty
Love (no pun intendted) your videos. Always very informative and helpful. Totally off topic, but do you have a video or suggestion for attaching a Shimano I Spec shifter to a bar clamp brake? Thanks
@@LoveMTB Thanks for the tip! Worked a treat.
In terms of riding feeling how do the PIKE Select and Ultimate differ? Is the ultimate so much better?
@@LoveMTB just need to upgrade my fork, and I am not sure if go for select or ultimate. Honestly if you were blindfolded could you notice any difference in the riding?
@@LoveMTB I ride a trail/enduro hardtail with a Judy 130mm and I can absolutely feel its limit. So I wanted a better fork (with same travel, since it's not the travel my concern) and I opted for the pike.
@@LoveMTB ok thanks brother,,
Hi I'm from Brazil! I'm looking for a trail bike and came across the following suspensions: Pike Select, Pike Select+ and Yaris RC, all 140mm. can you tell me which would be a good choice?! congratulations on the work!
@@LoveMTB , thank you!
Make Video of FORK OFFSET !!!
44mm-55mm ( More Trail - Less Trail)
Steeper Head Angle 71- Slacker Head Angle 68
@@LoveMTB Maybe just talk little about it , and how it affects Feel and Handling Compared to your OLD bikes and NEWER Frames - how the Frames getting Longer and STEMS Shorter
I have a Fox34 29 with 44mm offset. I'm wanting to replace it with a Pike. I should be good to from 44 to 42, right?
Thanks! Do you think the Pike feels stiffer than the 34? I want something that feels a little closer to a 36, which I have on a different bike, but don’t want the weight penalty of a 36 or Lyrik.
Hello, i have the pike 2020 select, i bought a second hand cf7 canyon. I noticed that my fork even if i close tha damper compression full, the fork does not become stiff and behave almost the same sas the damper compression is fully open. Is this how the fork works or there is a problem with the fork? I have the 160 travel fork
did u get to figure out what the damper compression how it was fixed the bump sensitivities or the downhill rattle effect
@@resolve638 the select plus does not do much. I upgraded the dumper and the sprint into ultimate.
I've heard that the new debonair sacrifices small bumps sensitivity quite a bit. Can you tell me if that's actually noticeable when you install it?
@@LoveMTB i also want to point out that rockshox has cut some considerable corners to save money on the production of the pike select. What they advertise as a charger RC damper is actually very different from the (good) charger damper that you have in the other fork. It doesn't use an expandable bladder but a very poorly made IFP which adds quite a bit of friction. Also they stiffened the compression circuits A LOT so that they could advertise a "lockout" but even when ran fully open the fork feels very harsh. Lighter riders (like me) will find the fork almost unusable as it'll feel extremely uncomfortable on bigger impacts. I'm probably going to buy a bike with a pike select sooner or later and i plan on replacing the damper right away.
@@LoveMTB oh i didn't know the normal charger had stiffer compression valving. But still, the new charger RC with the IFP can't really be tuned that easily because there are no informations on tuning it and you would need to make lots of experiments to find a good tune. In the only forum that i saw about it the guy who disassembled the fork initially couldn't even get to the shims...
I have a 180 lyrik rc2 damper.
Its very plush.
@@Andrea-qg5yk I don't doubt your experience, but it is far different than mine. I'm a 225lb rider with a 2021 Pike Select and I couldn't be happier. Coming off of a 2019 DVO Sapphire, the small bump sensitivity is in a different league as is the mid stroke and bottom out resistance. Just more support for me from the Pike.... and that's with the factory assembly and non SKF seals. I've got SKF seals ready to install when I do my first lower leg/air spring service and am curious to see how good RS's factory assembly was and if the seals actually make a difference I can feel.
@@ThunderStruckMTB nono i don't actually have any experience. That's just what I've heard from some reviews. Also what worries me is the damper being too stiff... That's not a problem for you but I'm 58 kg which is about 128 pounds and the compression even if fully open will be too hard for me. The rebound will also be too slow, i tried using the rockshox trailhead app to see what it would say and it recommended fully open rebound, and that worries me. If i get a bike with a pike select/select plus I will definitely install the charger 2.1 RC2 damper and I'll also probably tune it for a lighter tune.
Thank you for the French translation
Hi there Love MTB! I just bought a new take off 2020 Pike select+ in glossy black colour, (just as you recommended to do), and coming from a cheaper RS Sektor with a motion control damper, i was just wondering, the Pike damper has no “lock-out feeling” even if i turn the compression completely clockwise?? Because on my Sektor’s damper, it is almost a lock-out when fully turned clockwise..? Thanks in advance man!
@@LoveMTB yes we have the same Pike forks. Is it normal that even if i turn the compression damper all the way clockwise is the fork not locked up??
I also bought a newish take off Lyrik Select+ that had no compression damping at all. I was lucky and the prior owner opened an warranty case at his retailer. I was able to send it to the retailer and SRAM accepted the warranty case and changed the damper. The fork arrives next week so I can't talk about any details yet, but I have read about several new forks with air in the bladder system. That should have affects like this.
@@shlegomio can i try and contact SRAM myself eventhough i am not the original owner? i feel like there is something wrong with its damper, there is barely any changes on all the settings..
@@blankpointdale You can try and ask them, but usually this warranty is just for the original Owner, so I would say you need at least a copy of the bike receipt. My seller was a very nice guy and he just mailed his retailer, after they already known him. They arranged the rest and did all the communication with SRAM. Anyways, you can try and fix it yourself, or let it do your local bike store. Could be fixed after a simple bleed of the closed Charger unit.
I just got a new bike with a Pike Select+, and the compresion dial doesn't seem to make any difference at all. Is that normal?
@@LoveMTB I'm pretty light at 65kg so i'm running low-ish pressures at 50-55psi to get around 25% sag.
It doesn't just not lock out, I can't feel a difference at all.
What kind of difference should I feel? It's low speed compression, right?
do u adjust lsc by circling the circle screw in the middle of rc dampener or with the entire span circle dial to get lsc in
I know it’s states 2.8 but can it fit a 3.0?
Thanks
@@LoveMTB how dare you call it a fat bike! It’s plus….
The channel is great really enjoying the content. I am giving a old rocky Mtn Stratos a makeover and want to upgrade the forks. Seems hard to find 26" with 1 1/8" stem. 100mm travel
Does anyone have solid recommendation for this? Thanks in advance
I have Rockshox silver series in that same spec in air shock. It works amazingly.
Hi, any chance you could share your thoughts on Pike vs budget fork such as Recon please? My bike came with Recon fork which in all honesty is sufficient for my trails and my kind of riding however I wonder whether premium forks such as Pike offer significantly better small bump sensitivity + better damping over longer descends at higher speed. The Motion Control damper simply cannot take the repeated hits and basically stops functioning during long descends. Is the Charger damper worth the price tag please? If yes, can it be said about all of the Charger damper versions? There are a few out there these days.
I have my eye also on forks such as Revelation but since it runs also the MC damper I doubt it will offer any improvement over the Recon besides more stiffness and less weight.
I am really an average rider who isn’t concerned about the weight much and rather puts emphasis on ride quality.
Thanks a lot for your feedback.
@@LoveMTB Thank u for a prompt feedback! I ride mostly green/blue trails. Occasionally I hit some rocky descend but not too often. Even though I weigh around 230 I never felt the Recon not being stiff enough for me. I just wish for better small bump sensitivity (like immediately after lower leg service) and damping on those longer descends. I never came close to bottoming out the Recon. As mentioned earlier weight of the fork isn’t top priority. Pike would sure be super nice as I keep reading nothing but good stuff about the Charger damper but it’s pricey and I am not a fan of buying something I really don’t need.
Select+ suppose to be for bike manufacturers ONLY.
I owned 2 pike select. Very bad fork
I've also heard that it's a bad fork. Mainly because what they advertise as "charger damper" is very different from an actual charger damper. It doesn't use a bladder to accomodate displaced oil but it uses a very poorly executed IFP (internal floating piston). Also the compression circuits are very closed and that makes the fork feel very harsh
@@Andrea-qg5yk yes. 1st one that I bought arrived seized. I sent it back and got replacement. It was better but still feel harsh. I replaced the dust seals with SKF and I used motorex fork oil. That helped a bit. Then I updated Debon air spring foot nut what made noticeable difference.
After 10 months lower leg cracked 😂
I got full refund and bought lyrik ultimate
@@MartinTeerly lower leg cracked??? That doesn't sound good....
@@LoveMTB no. Last year I bought first pike and return it for refund 4 months ago.
@@LoveMTB select+ is far better than select.
Select doesn't even come with threaded ring for your axle. Thread is cut right in alloy. Very bad quality fork. Seals were also very sticky. It gave me very bad knocking sensation in handlebars.