If you want to see what the possibility of actual space combat looks like a couple of 100 years or so look at The Expanse. Fantastic series and even better when it comes to real world physics. Still SicFi but much more realistic SciFi.
@@thedarkonestaint6105 the fight on the moon during the Brad Pitt space movie. An excellent movie to watch and fall asleep to. It's very peaceful mostly.
The expanse is a more realistic than average sci fi series but is nowhere near 100% realistic. It is however a marvelous show. If you want to look at the pinicle of hard Science fiction look at Savages: ruclips.net/video/NkF2zEzqWR4/видео.html&ab_channel=REALFR0S7
I'm a Gundam fan , I know what's gonna happen when humanity colonizes space .. Spacenoids are gonna hate Earthians and then someone's gonna do a Colony Drop 😬
O man can't wait for the Brittish North India Company LLC to start sending ships to the asteroid belt. Then we shoot jack sparrow into space to make 4 more pirates movies. Maybe launch chris Pratt there too to see if there are any space dinos to tame.
Regarding “space dinos”: according to the Star Trek: Voyager episode “Distant Origin” (3x23), hadrosaurs survived the dinosaur extinction & eventually evolved into the highly advanced Voth civilization in the Delta Quadrant, only a few light years from Borg territory.
Sci fi books series 'The Expanse' (which is also an Amazon prime tv show) is the greatest example of what I assume real space warfare will look like. Super great series, check it out
Mining in space is very far from a lucrative business inmagine if you find a asteroid sillicates and usefull stuff and it is 10 times what the earth needs in the next 100 years to fund a mission like that would have enormous costs and risks bringing any large quantaties of spacerock to earth and make itbland safely is a huge problem we need to overcome .. if you cant bring enough back you will never make any money on the entire project On top of that if you bring to much of it back the prices of that item would drop threw the floor also meaning you cant keep doing missions because you cant get paid .. not even to mention the fact we simply dont have anything yet thats cost effective enough to make space mining a viable thing . If our rockets and other tech was more effective we might be able to pull it off but for now naahh forget about it
@@mrscottygreenwood if there is an underclass community living on a space station, perhaps. That is the expanse level of development. All our space stations recycle 99% of water use
@@danielstokker mining companies would need to be subsidised by multiple nations. Imagine drop shipping a year's worth of metal into every country in Europe and every state in america. We would be in a post scarcity world. Earth mining would end
Serious misunderstanding of the difficulties of matching orbits around a planet or moon. The velocities are basically set by the orbit - to orbit at the same altitude above ground, with an orbit of the same overall shape, you *have* to be at the same speed. It's a function of physics. You can vary that orbit very slightly, but what you end up with is a long tail chase with one ship slowly overtaking another, like a stern chase from the days of sail. Hitting targets in a orbit isnt nearly as hard as you make out, particularly if the projectiles have *any* terminal course adjustment at all. Because of physics, courses are very predictable unless and until you apply ΔV to change the course.
I don't think anybody's going to be trying to shoot the satellites with anything that has mass. The cost of a fitIt's kind of like killing somebody with an explosive that can potentially hurt you.
If a company mined 50k tons of gold from space, they’re not gonna chuck it all on sale at once like you’re suggesting. Existing resource companies already artificially control output and successfully jack up prices. So, obviously, the gold baron is gonna use a similar strategy.
That's possible. But crashing prices from overabundance have happened before - even with gold specifically, in fact. When Spain started importing tons of gold from the New World, they ended up with such inflation that their entire economy crashed. And even if individual people or corporations would try to keep influx low, they'll be competing with others who are also trying to make money in the same way, which will encourage them to lower prices but increase supply; after all, if you're providing your materials at 10% lower prices but 20% more volume than your competitor, assuming sufficient demand that you're selling everything you're providing, you're making more money than your competitor is. The only way I could see this not happening is corrupt government regulation (and the question is whether that's even possible in space) to protect monopolies and remove this competition, like is common in the US economy. (this is why the US isn't capitalist btw - it's monopolist; in a capitalist system, monopolies aren't protected, and in a regulated capitalist system, they're actively hindered)
The real solution to it is at least something like bitcoin. You can’t send a billion “dollars” over radio to Europa at the speed of light with gold. Gold will be important as an industrial material and probably curios in the future but it’ll out live its usefulness as money. Unless we blow ourselves up. And we’ll probably blow ourselves up 🤷♂️ But I just work here
Not that I trust politicians, but they are much more preferable than private corporations "fighting" for resources. Corporate greed has already resulted in many bad things here on earth. I can't even begin to imagine what corporate greed is capable of on an unregulated space..
People heading corporations are no greedier than politicians. They just use a different method to satisfy their greed. Also, in a case of rhyming history, it's quite easy to imagine what this would look like. We've already had an age of exploration with incredibly powerful corporations that had their own armies and everything. Just read up on that.
Successful people in corporations often achieve high productivity through significant self-sacrifice. This kind of success contrasts with greed, as the two are generally opposing forces. Complex issues demand complex solutions; attributing problems solely to human emotions only compounds their complexity.
Brilliant!! These are definitely the kind of topics for Astrographics that should lure in more folks. Thank you guys so much for keeping up this channel :)
I definitely feel like space weapons will need to be a form of tracking projectile, given the physics involved there would need to be constant adjustments made unless you have a light speed weapon.
Yeah , now much peace since satellite show how limited earth is... so if we shot each other like many previous century will cause extinction... The minute human feel space is not finite again, eg. Know how to go to colonized many planet... War will resume😅
16:53 Tell that to fusion power, black hole drives (yes really), antimatter, solar sails... It's quite possible that we'll be able to travel between stars in single-digit years in around 100 years from now. Also, for space combat, look at the game 'Children of a Dead Earth'!
Kessler Syndrome is the name given to the possible event of space junk taking out a satellite and causing a chain reaction that destroys all of the objects in orbit.
That's right you cannot blow up a satellite from an enemy...millions of parts will be travelling at 17 thousand mph orbiting and taking out all your equipment also. That's why laser target equipment is being developed and specific targeting immobiliser development that kills the satellite but leaves it intact.
The audio on his voice over is off too, i checked one of his other videos and my speakers are fine but this one makes it sound like im playing it out of either a way lower quality one or as if it was coming out of a somewhat broken/old speaker
This is one of the most fascinating episodes yet and I find the subject incredibly interesting. Could anyone recommend a book covering this topic. It's really intriguing indeed. I'd love to know what sources the writer of this episode drew from.
in matter of vastness of space. I have thoughts: 1. We should consider almost only space up to orbit of mars or maybe Jupiter (but mars is safer in my opinion), cause when people talk abut space often the think like galaxy wide, when near conflicts probably won't exceed that mars orbit 2. In a matter of your metaphor of football pitch and blindfolds isn't it like chance of two sailing ships meeting randomly somewhere on the atlantic or pacific? And still battles in the age of sail occurred, but not in random places but near shores, bases or trading routes. Same will be in space. Battles won't be made "somewhere" in space but near space stations, military bases, moons, mining sites and supply lines. Now meeting of two spaceships isn't so unprobable. That also depends heavily on detection ranges in space, because without restrains of aerodynamics (assuming that in future spaceyards will be a thing) ships could be made in the most stealthy shape. On the other hand atmosphere wouldn't be a problem for radars (idk how with bending of space), so also radars could be much bigger and therefore more sensitive. Closing thoughts: I don't think that meeting of two spaceships will be as unlikely as you said. Also I'm not expert of any sort I might be wrong, but feel free to correct me, I'd like to learn more about space warfare concept AND of course we are predicting future so it's more like thought experiment and not actual debate ;)
I concur, especially since we are overdue for another - or even a Miyaki event - and because we are utterly unprepared, and because with the rapidly-diminishing field strength of our magnetosphere that even minor X-class flares are having substantial effect. I expect that you know what I know, that such an event would return us instantly to an unelectrified world, where the dearth of basic skills would put most of our fine civilization into circumstances that would make the Stone Age look inviting. Let’s do hope we are wrong.
If you want to see realistic space combat and astropolitics (with wormholes) read “Through Struggle, the Stars” by John J. Lumpkin. It’s set in 2139, where there’s realistic fusion drives, basic nanotech, etc. in the book, China and Japan are the two great powers on earth, and countries are hunting the stars for colony planets. For unknown reasons, Japan starts a war with China, one that the US may be dragged into.
You completely overlooked an extremely salient factor in near term space warfare. SpaceX and the cost to put payloads into orbit. Other nations are likely more than twenty years behind SpaceX. It will take them ten more years just to get to the point of reusable first stage boosters, let alone the ultra-economical cost of payload to orbit that Starship will bring. This would give the US an utterly unassailable advantage in space warfare.
The Outer Space Treaty of 1967, which is a key document in space law, emphasizes that outer space shall be used for peaceful purposes and prohibits the placement of nuclear weapons or any other kinds of weapons of mass destruction in orbit around Earth. However, it does not entirely prohibit military activities in space, as long as they are non-aggressive. In summary, while the Geneva Conventions do not specifically mention space warfare, the principles of IHL would still apply to any armed conflict that extends into space. The Outer Space Treaty provides additional guidelines to ensure that space remains a domain for peaceful purposes
I can't believe you didn't even mention some the most effective (and really cool) space weapons that absolutely can be made right now. RKMs (relativistic kill missiles) missiles fired with such speed that even if you put a nuke on it, the blast would be meaningless compared to its kinetic energy. Or the Dyson beam, literally turning a whole star into a death ray with just mirrors. There are others, but these two came to mind first.
Yo, why you gotta keep changing the names of the channels? Warographics to Warfronts, especially with that terrible profile/channel pic(that makes it look like some mobile game ad) was already annoying enough, now I gotta remember Celestium too? Why you gotta make these unnecessary changes? Next thing you know, Megaprojects is gonna become Super Duper Builds.
Since 2017, the United States Air Force has run annual military exercise called "Space Flag" at Peterson Space Force Base, which involves a red team simulating attacks on U.S. satellites.
Once we leave low Earth orbit, and start mining resources on the moon and beyond, conflicts in interests will undoubtedly begin. Sure, we have every reason to work together now. But once it becomes clear just how much money stands to be made, there will be attempts by bad actors to limit, or even stop, other countries attempts to develop the industries involved.
@JamesHardaker even when there was enough resources on Earth to go around we still found ways to fight over them. When dealing with the vast distances of space whatever is nearby will be fought over.
I think CoD: Ghosts was a good first glimpse at the frontier of space warfare for us. I mean, the US already has the Space Force, so it could be very plausible that someone ends up fighting and shooting in the ISS and killing some guy named "Rorke".
Agreed ~99..; 1.) Good early/initial discipline would clean-up Earth-crossing..('debris') by (A) gently re-targeting its final disposal trajectory, & 'only then (B) sorting it out to process its transport.., (C) away. 2.) ..'[Sprayed-Ices -panel'bot shields 'make Megalopolitan Spinships into huge farms... 3.) 'More... - Thanks.
Everyone thinks of bringing space craft/ satellites down but what if you attach drones with solid fuel rockets built into them and after attaching them to the said object you don't desire you ignite the rockets and send the craft away thus you avoid space debris from striking your own satellites.
6:30 In the 1979 movie “Meteor” starring Sean Connery, both the US & the USSR have disobeyed that treaty & launched nuclear weapon satellites; in order to destroy a planet-killing asteroid, both nations will be required to use these illegal weapons.
Once someone figures out how to get large scale factories and research labs in space Few years of large scale experiments and construction in space will advance sciences beyond imagination . They do small scale experiments in space station, other manned spacecraft and on earth in simulated space on earth and have discocered many thing.
Thank you for sharing the video. Micro satellites with weapon packages. Nukes and tungsten steel rods and hacking satellites and laser or missile ground based to space target. 8:50 Dual use station with missile arrays with heat shielding for re entery. Thousands of missiles for targeted targeting of specific spots. ( steel rain variant but missiles and more surgical and complex. ) 23:22 using artificial induced solar flare to target a planet. Creating small short lived black holes that turn bright as it explodes like a nova in ways.
How ironic that there is so much posturing by only the countries big and rich enough to actually have space programs - - the VERY countries who should KNOW BETTER the collective frontier that space is for all humanity... Imagine if Bolivia warned Guinea about satellites if their satellites ever attacked one of their space stations there would be retribution... ridiculous
I think it depends what adversaries humanity finds along the way. If there's none, we might end up turning on each other or fracturing. If there's an alien civilization, we will be pushed to surpass it If we find a god? Then it better start praying to itself to save itself, because praying to humanity will fall of deaf ears.
Ant Kinetic weapon will require an equal amount of power in the Same direction you are Shooting., The pressure created will Stall the ship, and release the Bullet/Canon ball But where do you want this thing to STOP?
Is it just me or is the Audio gain off on this one. Im enjoying this but it sounds like my speaker is breaking yet after inspection that doesnt seem to be the case
Interesting idea, except that it would be monumentally difficult to approach another craft in space without detection, because heat signatures there are absolutely obvious. Any craft approaching within a million kilometers in an area that immense would be easily detectable and instantly suspect, so that even in a protracted chase the second they came within striking distance could be known months in advance, and their identity determined and broadcast at least weeks in advance. There is no telling what technological advances will change what seems certain now, but piracy as portrayed in much of sci-fi literature, I deeply regret to say, seems extremes unlikely.
Some Alien in a distant future: and he calls me a 'Type 2.' What the hell does that even mean GaHoYian? Translucent interface: beep boop..hehehe... I don't know. Clearly he meant 'Type 1' 010011000110111101101100
I agree that the space industry will be dominated by robots, but here is the thing. Input delay is extreme. Latency is a huge issue. There will still be a need for operators in the field, all be it, very few of them. Waiting for AI to catch up to an operator to save costs and not knowing for certain the AI is doing what it's supposed to be doing with such financial stakes, I don't see it catching on.
Biggest hole in the manned vs unmanned argument. At govermental or corporate level, they are the same. It’s a resource. So if you project forward, an unmanned asset is exactly the same as today’s manned asset. It comes down to the fiscal cost to produce either. So if you attack an “asset” to or tomorrow, the impact/response is going to be the same. Politically, it’s going to be highlighted as “an attack against our people” now, and “an attack against our people’s resources” in the future.
16:07 irresponsible action in interplanetary confines possibly start to hamper any interstellar effort potentially it seems given the energy requirement of journeying through the latter
Me and my buddy have this notion that ship to ship battles would play out like 3D naval battles. You'd have broadside cannons, and one mega-gun on the nose. It'd be largely about limiting your profile, then rolling up along side, disabling your enemy's broadside cannons, then boarding.
@cuttinaboot which is why it can't be how it plays out. Whatever we come up with will be way more complicated. Or possibly way less. But far less cinematic.
22:24 There's an episode in Voyager where this unknown alien crew uploads themselves into exactly what you're talking about kind of. And Voyager has to save them from a clown. Is this what you want Simon. You want to be tortured by a clown.
I think there can be no war in hy tech civilization. Either you get over it or self-destruction. Humanity as it stands has no chance of the hy tech future in space. But social growth here ai there and we might grow enough not to kill ourselves.
I think the most likely scenario for space warfare would be the use of anti satellite technology. The ability to neutralize a nation’s satellite capability would be detrimental to their ability to defend themselves.
The expanse does a good job at showing how it would look
i was just about to say the same thing. Im that guy.
Good physics. Well explained in the books the series is based on too.
Pdc’s go brrrrrr
The Expanse!
RAD. All the terrible ways to die on The Expanse are WAY cooler than what we have to deal with now.
If you want to see what the possibility of actual space combat looks like a couple of 100 years or so look at The Expanse. Fantastic series and even better when it comes to real world physics. Still SicFi but much more realistic SciFi.
I just scrolled so far, hoping that someone else also cited the Expanse as possibly the most realistic depiction of space warfare.
@@thedarkonestaint6105 the fight on the moon during the Brad Pitt space movie. An excellent movie to watch and fall asleep to. It's very peaceful mostly.
Yes. The Expanse is a fantastic gritty look at what could happen. Minus the alien energy rings things.
The expanse is a more realistic than average sci fi series but is nowhere near 100% realistic. It is however a marvelous show. If you want to look at the pinicle of hard Science fiction look at Savages: ruclips.net/video/NkF2zEzqWR4/видео.html&ab_channel=REALFR0S7
@@stevegoodzeck241that, and the "Epstein Drive"
I'm a Gundam fan , I know what's gonna happen when humanity colonizes space .. Spacenoids are gonna hate Earthians and then someone's gonna do a Colony Drop 😬
But it'll be a minimum thousand years later, no one will remember the timeline in order.
And then a s big robot with a white mustache that will end all tech
Sounds suspiciously like The Expanse..
Operation Meteor is on
@aleonard8272 Except Gundam doesn't have a Punisher in a snazzy hat.
Reagan missed the opportunity to call it the “Ronald Raygun”
Oh like McDonald's, nice.
O man can't wait for the Brittish North India Company LLC to start sending ships to the asteroid belt. Then we shoot jack sparrow into space to make 4 more pirates movies. Maybe launch chris Pratt there too to see if there are any space dinos to tame.
Finally, a comment I can get behind.
Regarding “space dinos”: according to the Star Trek: Voyager episode “Distant Origin” (3x23), hadrosaurs survived the dinosaur extinction & eventually evolved into the highly advanced Voth civilization in the Delta Quadrant, only a few light years from Borg territory.
Rule Britannia, Britannia rules the space!
Pretty sure you mean the British Vertical India Company
Simon is always on time. Exactly when I feel bored 😂
exactly when im looking for a documentary to take a nap to
Real
Simon has so many channels. I find it hard to believe somebody could be so bored so often. I feel for you.
i cant stand him, he's spamming channels left and right
It's not hard when he's got 2758 channels 😂
Sci fi books series 'The Expanse' (which is also an Amazon prime tv show) is the greatest example of what I assume real space warfare will look like.
Super great series, check it out
As soon as we start mining resources in space there will inevitably be conflicts in interests.
There are many times the resources of earth in just 1 asteroid.
@@JamesHardakeritll be over the water more than gold
Mining in space is very far from a lucrative business inmagine if you find a asteroid sillicates and usefull stuff and it is 10 times what the earth needs in the next 100 years to fund a mission like that would have enormous costs and risks bringing any large quantaties of spacerock to earth and make itbland safely is a huge problem we need to overcome .. if you cant bring enough back you will never make any money on the entire project
On top of that if you bring to much of it back the prices of that item would drop threw the floor also meaning you cant keep doing missions because you cant get paid .. not even to mention the fact we simply dont have anything yet thats cost effective enough to make space mining a viable thing . If our rockets and other tech was more effective we might be able to pull it off but for now naahh forget about it
@@mrscottygreenwood if there is an underclass community living on a space station, perhaps. That is the expanse level of development. All our space stations recycle 99% of water use
@@danielstokker mining companies would need to be subsidised by multiple nations. Imagine drop shipping a year's worth of metal into every country in Europe and every state in america. We would be in a post scarcity world. Earth mining would end
Serious misunderstanding of the difficulties of matching orbits around a planet or moon.
The velocities are basically set by the orbit - to orbit at the same altitude above ground, with an orbit of the same overall shape, you *have* to be at the same speed. It's a function of physics. You can vary that orbit very slightly, but what you end up with is a long tail chase with one ship slowly overtaking another, like a stern chase from the days of sail.
Hitting targets in a orbit isnt nearly as hard as you make out, particularly if the projectiles have *any* terminal course adjustment at all. Because of physics, courses are very predictable unless and until you apply ΔV to change the course.
I don't think anybody's going to be trying to shoot the satellites with anything that has mass. The cost of a fitIt's kind of like killing somebody with an explosive that can potentially hurt you.
If a company mined 50k tons of gold from space, they’re not gonna chuck it all on sale at once like you’re suggesting. Existing resource companies already artificially control output and successfully jack up prices. So, obviously, the gold baron is gonna use a similar strategy.
That's possible. But crashing prices from overabundance have happened before - even with gold specifically, in fact. When Spain started importing tons of gold from the New World, they ended up with such inflation that their entire economy crashed.
And even if individual people or corporations would try to keep influx low, they'll be competing with others who are also trying to make money in the same way, which will encourage them to lower prices but increase supply; after all, if you're providing your materials at 10% lower prices but 20% more volume than your competitor, assuming sufficient demand that you're selling everything you're providing, you're making more money than your competitor is.
The only way I could see this not happening is corrupt government regulation (and the question is whether that's even possible in space) to protect monopolies and remove this competition, like is common in the US economy. (this is why the US isn't capitalist btw - it's monopolist; in a capitalist system, monopolies aren't protected, and in a regulated capitalist system, they're actively hindered)
The real solution to it is at least something like bitcoin. You can’t send a billion “dollars” over radio to Europa at the speed of light with gold. Gold will be important as an industrial material and probably curios in the future but it’ll out live its usefulness as money. Unless we blow ourselves up. And we’ll probably blow ourselves up 🤷♂️
But I just work here
I don't wanna wait over 20,000 years for a Leto 2 😭
Not that I trust politicians, but they are much more preferable than private corporations "fighting" for resources.
Corporate greed has already resulted in many bad things here on earth. I can't even begin to imagine what corporate greed is capable of on an unregulated space..
Idk… governments have done most of the war making throughout history.
Politicians can be voted out; CEOs and shareholders cannot.
People heading corporations are no greedier than politicians. They just use a different method to satisfy their greed.
Also, in a case of rhyming history, it's quite easy to imagine what this would look like. We've already had an age of exploration with incredibly powerful corporations that had their own armies and everything. Just read up on that.
Successful people in corporations often achieve high productivity through significant self-sacrifice. This kind of success contrasts with greed, as the two are generally opposing forces. Complex issues demand complex solutions; attributing problems solely to human emotions only compounds their complexity.
It's one and the same now.
Brilliant!! These are definitely the kind of topics for Astrographics that should lure in more folks. Thank you guys so much for keeping up this channel :)
Born too late to experience the First Space Race....
Born Way too early to become a Space Pirate.....
i don't think that would make getting into space any less special, we're still in the very earliest days i imagine
I definitely feel like space weapons will need to be a form of tracking projectile, given the physics involved there would need to be constant adjustments made unless you have a light speed weapon.
War never changes.
Yeah , now much peace since satellite show how limited earth is... so if we shot each other like many previous century will cause extinction...
The minute human feel space is not finite again, eg. Know how to go to colonized many planet... War will resume😅
Between this and the release on the War Fronts channel, I get the feeling that Simon is in a certain kind of mood...
I thought the same thing this morning!
He reads what his writers give him.
@@gladlawson61 He greenlights the projects, and he decides the release schedule.
Sounds like Gundam wing deathly waltz to me Simon...you should check it out.
Reminds me of "The Expanse."
that 5 second repeat background drives homer crazy. still, thanks for the content
Speed and distance did nothing to quench your thirst for war... always war ( Halo Origins )
A nice segue from the Warographics video I just watched 😳
16:53 Tell that to fusion power, black hole drives (yes really), antimatter, solar sails... It's quite possible that we'll be able to travel between stars in single-digit years in around 100 years from now.
Also, for space combat, look at the game 'Children of a Dead Earth'!
Children of a Dead Earth mentioned!!! That game genuinely changed my life!
Kessler Syndrome is the name given to the possible event of space junk taking out a satellite and causing a chain reaction that destroys all of the objects in orbit.
That's right you cannot blow up a satellite from an enemy...millions of parts will be travelling at 17 thousand mph orbiting and taking out all your equipment also.
That's why laser target equipment is being developed and specific targeting immobiliser development that kills the satellite but leaves it intact.
@@vls3771 or you know this and create the giga frag grenade missile, because you know you can't compete and just want to stop everyone else
@@IANF126 giga frag grenade sounds terrifying. Like a killstreak you'd unlock on COD.
The movie “Gravity” with Sandra Bullock demonstrates Kessler Syndrome in a TERRIFYINGLY realistic way!
@@vls3771it's drastic action, however, if it's inevitable, as suggested, you obtain the strategic advantage by knowing it's going to happen.
Great timing posting this shortly after Xenoblade X was announced for Switch and its intro 😎
Nice found another channel with Simon 👍
Your creativity is incredibly refreshing!
The music in this video has something like an alarm going off in the background that sounds exactly like my oven... its driving me crazy.
The audio on his voice over is off too, i checked one of his other videos and my speakers are fine but this one makes it sound like im playing it out of either a way lower quality one or as if it was coming out of a somewhat broken/old speaker
Oh look I found another Simon channel. I thought I had collected them all at this point
This is one of the most fascinating episodes yet and I find the subject incredibly interesting. Could anyone recommend a book covering this topic. It's really intriguing indeed. I'd love to know what sources the writer of this episode drew from.
Good video bossmang
“A series of satellites” sets off Siri. Every damned time I’d go back to hear what I missed. Siri.
in matter of vastness of space. I have thoughts:
1. We should consider almost only space up to orbit of mars or maybe Jupiter (but mars is safer in my opinion), cause when people talk abut space often the think like galaxy wide, when near conflicts probably won't exceed that mars orbit
2. In a matter of your metaphor of football pitch and blindfolds isn't it like chance of two sailing ships meeting randomly somewhere on the atlantic or pacific? And still battles in the age of sail occurred, but not in random places but near shores, bases or trading routes. Same will be in space. Battles won't be made "somewhere" in space but near space stations, military bases, moons, mining sites and supply lines. Now meeting of two spaceships isn't so unprobable. That also depends heavily on detection ranges in space, because without restrains of aerodynamics (assuming that in future spaceyards will be a thing) ships could be made in the most stealthy shape. On the other hand atmosphere wouldn't be a problem for radars (idk how with bending of space), so also radars could be much bigger and therefore more sensitive.
Closing thoughts: I don't think that meeting of two spaceships will be as unlikely as you said. Also I'm not expert of any sort I might be wrong, but feel free to correct me, I'd like to learn more about space warfare concept AND of course we are predicting future so it's more like thought experiment and not actual debate ;)
I think a large Carrington event is a much bigger threat to humankind.
I concur, especially since we are overdue for another - or even a Miyaki event - and because we are utterly unprepared, and because with the rapidly-diminishing field strength of our magnetosphere that even minor X-class flares are having substantial effect. I expect that you know what I know, that such an event would return us instantly to an unelectrified world, where the dearth of basic skills would put most of our fine civilization into circumstances that would make the Stone Age look inviting.
Let’s do hope we are wrong.
I like the idea of converting Mercury into a dyson structure better, and when Sol goes red giant we can convert Earth. Way easier than moving.
If you want to see realistic space combat and astropolitics (with wormholes) read “Through Struggle, the Stars” by John J. Lumpkin. It’s set in 2139, where there’s realistic fusion drives, basic nanotech, etc. in the book, China and Japan are the two great powers on earth, and countries are hunting the stars for colony planets. For unknown reasons, Japan starts a war with China, one that the US may be dragged into.
The shootout scene on the moon in Ad Astra made my stomach churn
You completely overlooked an extremely salient factor in near term space warfare. SpaceX and the cost to put payloads into orbit. Other nations are likely more than twenty years behind SpaceX. It will take them ten more years just to get to the point of reusable first stage boosters, let alone the ultra-economical cost of payload to orbit that Starship will bring. This would give the US an utterly unassailable advantage in space warfare.
The Outer Space Treaty of 1967, which is a key document in space law, emphasizes that outer space shall be used for peaceful purposes and prohibits the placement of nuclear weapons or any other kinds of weapons of mass destruction in orbit around Earth. However, it does not entirely prohibit military activities in space, as long as they are non-aggressive.
In summary, while the Geneva Conventions do not specifically mention space warfare, the principles of IHL would still apply to any armed conflict that extends into space. The Outer Space Treaty provides additional guidelines to ensure that space remains a domain for peaceful purposes
It’s becoming clear that on many pressing questions looming over our current civilisation, humanity is going to have to learn the hard way.
Honestly in my opinion I’m okay with the Star Wars program because it felt like it was more oriented to defending not attacking
I can't believe you didn't even mention some the most effective (and really cool) space weapons that absolutely can be made right now. RKMs (relativistic kill missiles) missiles fired with such speed that even if you put a nuke on it, the blast would be meaningless compared to its kinetic energy. Or the Dyson beam, literally turning a whole star into a death ray with just mirrors. There are others, but these two came to mind first.
There is a game called Children of a Dead Earth, and it is a pretty realistic space combat sim
Thanks for the recommendation I'll check it out
'For All Mankind' - first battle will be at the Moon.
We've been here before... this is entirely reminiscent of the age of sail and the trade/plunder/piracy of spices, slaves, and precious metals...
ATLEAST we can be confident Governments would never lie about technologies it already possesses.
22:15 Is that a Rifter-class frigate from EVE Online? It sure looks like one.
New Simon channel added to my long list, never even knew this one as astrographics 😅
Yo, why you gotta keep changing the names of the channels? Warographics to Warfronts, especially with that terrible profile/channel pic(that makes it look like some mobile game ad) was already annoying enough, now I gotta remember Celestium too?
Why you gotta make these unnecessary changes?
Next thing you know, Megaprojects is gonna become Super Duper Builds.
I don't think space dog fights will ever happen but people might leave clouds of ice beads that will destroy enemy craft and later evaporate
We need more big brains,! Definitely not me, but I want to be alert.....we also need more lerts.
Since 2017, the United States Air Force has run annual military exercise called "Space Flag" at Peterson Space Force Base, which involves a red team simulating attacks on U.S. satellites.
Space is already trying so hard to kill you that working together is almost mandatory.
Once we leave low Earth orbit, and start mining resources on the moon and beyond, conflicts in interests will undoubtedly begin.
Sure, we have every reason to work together now. But once it becomes clear just how much money stands to be made, there will be attempts by bad actors to limit, or even stop, other countries attempts to develop the industries involved.
I admire your optimism. I wish I shared it.
@Benson_aka_devils_advocate_88 there are enough asteroids for everyone. One for each continent would be enough for 10 earths
@JamesHardaker even when there was enough resources on Earth to go around we still found ways to fight over them. When dealing with the vast distances of space whatever is nearby will be fought over.
That would be a rational decision. So we won’t do that because it’s to rational.
Claymore mines...just a couple to create a metal rain that stays in earth orbit at high speed
Fallout 5 baby 😂
I think CoD: Ghosts was a good first glimpse at the frontier of space warfare for us. I mean, the US already has the Space Force, so it could be very plausible that someone ends up fighting and shooting in the ISS and killing some guy named "Rorke".
Agreed ~99..;
1.) Good early/initial discipline would clean-up Earth-crossing..('debris') by (A) gently re-targeting its final disposal trajectory, & 'only then (B) sorting it out to process its transport.., (C) away.
2.) ..'[Sprayed-Ices -panel'bot shields 'make Megalopolitan Spinships into huge farms...
3.) 'More... - Thanks.
Everyone thinks of bringing space craft/ satellites down but what if you attach drones with solid fuel rockets built into them and after attaching them to the said object you don't desire you ignite the rockets and send the craft away thus you avoid space debris from striking your own satellites.
6:30 In the 1979 movie “Meteor” starring Sean Connery, both the US & the USSR have disobeyed that treaty & launched nuclear weapon satellites; in order to destroy a planet-killing asteroid, both nations will be required to use these illegal weapons.
This sounds like the back story of the Star Wars trade federation!!
21:49 fission fragment 0.05c 80% mass defect energy 80yr interstellar fusion collision four times that 20yr #isru #worldisnotenough
Yes but, Star Wars looks so damned cool 😎
Artifical wormholes. That's the answer to space warfare.
Once someone figures out how to get large scale factories and research labs in space Few years of large scale experiments and construction in space will advance sciences beyond imagination . They do small scale experiments in space station, other manned spacecraft and on earth in simulated space on earth and have discocered many thing.
Thank you for sharing the video. Micro satellites with weapon packages. Nukes and tungsten steel rods and hacking satellites and laser or missile ground based to space target. 8:50 Dual use station with missile arrays with heat shielding for re entery. Thousands of missiles for targeted targeting of specific spots. ( steel rain variant but missiles and more surgical and complex. )
23:22 using artificial induced solar flare to target a planet. Creating small short lived black holes that turn bright as it explodes like a nova in ways.
How ironic that there is so much posturing
by only the countries big and rich enough to actually have space programs -
- the VERY countries who should KNOW BETTER the collective frontier that space is for all humanity...
Imagine if Bolivia warned Guinea about satellites
if their satellites ever attacked one of their space stations there would be retribution... ridiculous
Haven't we already begun edging in on the limits of treaties due to A-sat weapons and the ability to intercept weapons transatmosperically?
red alert raise shields
I think it depends what adversaries humanity finds along the way.
If there's none, we might end up turning on each other or fracturing.
If there's an alien civilization, we will be pushed to surpass it
If we find a god? Then it better start praying to itself to save itself, because praying to humanity will fall of deaf ears.
Ant Kinetic weapon will require an equal amount of power in the Same direction you are Shooting., The pressure created will Stall the ship, and release the Bullet/Canon ball But where do you want this thing to STOP?
If you want to see true to life space warfare just hop right on some helldivers 2 and it's just so much better that you won't care anymore
Those of us who play stellaris understand what must be done .
Is it just me or is the Audio gain off on this one. Im enjoying this but it sounds like my speaker is breaking yet after inspection that doesnt seem to be the case
Damn it, Simon! Another channel?
What watch are you wearing Simon ?
What if space pirates will be a thing? I can imagine it would be difficult to secure all assets across such vast distances.
Interesting idea, except that it would be monumentally difficult to approach another craft in space without detection, because heat signatures there are absolutely obvious. Any craft approaching within a million kilometers in an area that immense would be easily detectable and instantly suspect, so that even in a protracted chase the second they came within striking distance could be known months in advance, and their identity determined and broadcast at least weeks in advance. There is no telling what technological advances will change what seems certain now, but piracy as portrayed in much of sci-fi literature, I deeply regret to say, seems extremes unlikely.
Some Alien in a distant future: and he calls me a 'Type 2.' What the hell does that even mean GaHoYian?
Translucent interface: beep boop..hehehe... I don't know. Clearly he meant 'Type 1' 010011000110111101101100
Good grief Simon how do you find the time to put out so many vids??
I agree that the space industry will be dominated by robots, but here is the thing. Input delay is extreme. Latency is a huge issue. There will still be a need for operators in the field, all be it, very few of them. Waiting for AI to catch up to an operator to save costs and not knowing for certain the AI is doing what it's supposed to be doing with such financial stakes, I don't see it catching on.
6:00 Kessler syndrome
To prevent spacewar from ever happening, we need to elect flerfs.
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Call of Duty was way ahead of its time when it comes to space warfare.
Is there a COD: Space Warfare or something?
one of the best game intros ever
So THAT'S how we're going out! Space trash cuts off an exit, and we just go all toxic and Venusian
There is an Astrographics channel? This guy has a channel on everything.
How many YT channels does this guy have? 😲
Cool
Simon is going to look like a fool when the Air Force declassifies the star gate program and everyone finds out it was a documentary the whole time.
I hope when we do make it into space it's more Star Trek and less 40k
Likely more like The Expanse. Or if we meet aliens Babylon 5.
Biggest hole in the manned vs unmanned argument. At govermental or corporate level, they are the same. It’s a resource. So if you project forward, an unmanned asset is exactly the same as today’s manned asset. It comes down to the fiscal cost to produce either. So if you attack an “asset” to or tomorrow, the impact/response is going to be the same. Politically, it’s going to be highlighted as “an attack against our people” now, and “an attack against our people’s resources” in the future.
Starfishes want to just chill, float around, and probably not get shot at up there... Hopefully
It's already happened...in For All Mankind
It's a load of bollocks until we actually manage to bend physics and go warp speeds.
16:07 irresponsible action in interplanetary confines possibly start to hamper any interstellar effort potentially it seems given the energy requirement of journeying through the latter
Me and my buddy have this notion that ship to ship battles would play out like 3D naval battles. You'd have broadside cannons, and one mega-gun on the nose. It'd be largely about limiting your profile, then rolling up along side, disabling your enemy's broadside cannons, then boarding.
Sounds easy when you put it like that
@cuttinaboot which is why it can't be how it plays out. Whatever we come up with will be way more complicated. Or possibly way less. But far less cinematic.
22:24 There's an episode in Voyager where this unknown alien crew uploads themselves into exactly what you're talking about kind of. And Voyager has to save them from a clown. Is this what you want Simon. You want to be tortured by a clown.
“The Thaw” is TERRIFYING!
Greed is going to prevent a post-scarcity society.
I think there can be no war in hy tech civilization. Either you get over it or self-destruction. Humanity as it stands has no chance of the hy tech future in space. But social growth here ai there and we might grow enough not to kill ourselves.
Could there be an orbiting kitty laser, please?
I think the most likely scenario for space warfare would be the use of anti satellite technology. The ability to neutralize a nation’s satellite capability would be detrimental to their ability to defend themselves.