Since there are many visible streaks in the polished stone, it is assumed that the polishing was done with some kind of machine or perhaps some kind of large scaffold structure was built from wood, which may even move forward and backward or only in one direction on the surface of the stone. It scratches the stone slowly and steadily. Therefore, it is assumed that a particular grind will use a harder material, perhaps diamond chips and lots of water. The stripes on the surface of the stone tell you unconditionally that the machine also moves in a particularly straight line.
What an engrossing conversation. Thanks for putting in the time, gents. Really enlightening to see you put your knowledge to work, matching cut marks to theorised blades. On to the next video!
The box seen at the very end should've been the main focal point. It proves the cutting process is not slow and laborious or they would have corrected the error instead of allowing the blade to continue at an angle until binding and breaking-off the lid.
I'm really interested in what was briefly mentioned about 28 minutes in. About how they affixed the grinding material to the tools. btw, the videos are great. I really appreciate the closeups and angles. It satisfies the geologist in me. [edited to add.] ahh I see that later it was discussed more. Looking forward to part 4!
At around the 30.00 I think the brum was a granite slab, narrow at base and 3 or 4 feet in hight to give it waight, with wood blocks ether side for stability use sand & water a rope at one end and simply pulled/dragged by say 50 to 100 men back and forth.
Definitely some evidence of rotary tool/machine use. But how would they of powered it?
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We don't have to think only about electrical power. That is not the only way to create a powerful machine. The Romans, for example, used water-powered saws for cutting rock, etc. I am not saying this is what happened in Egypt, but there are a lot of possibilities.
No such evidence to be found. Push pull patterns is what you see here, a copper blade with a slight curve to it was most likely used. With two men, one on each side pushing forward and down on his turn would make a curved grove like that. Having a watermill powering a saw like that would also not be a problem. or any other type of mill for that matter. If this was cut by a rotary blade the blade would need be exreamly large to fitt the patterns in the stone, the friction alone would make it imposible to cut without a realy powerfull machine. A powerfull machine like that cutting with a circular blade would not leave markings like that on the stone, the surface would be super smoth to the touch and no such stones have ever been found in egypt or any othe ancient site.
@@totobeni what about milling out a granite box or carving and polishing curved granite and diorite statue surfaces, make over cuts, make perfectly balanced and semetrical granite vases with handles, gotta explain the hardest work, not claim a copper drag saw did everything because of cherry picked artifacts with straight cuts, and not able to replicate with same tool markings
@@daisydog388 The "handles" is made at first as a protruding ring around the vase, this is done at the same time as you give it it's outer shape. Then you mark out the "handles" on oposite sides and chisel out the rest of the ring. This is done before drilling out the core. if you search i'll bet you'll find no vases with circular patterns going inbetween the "handles".
Again, in my own field of cabinet making, during the Georgian period you'd have had apprentices who would spend days smoothing off a table top using cabinet scrapers and abrasives to get a perfect surface. Today you can run it through a speed sander in a matter of seconds to get the same result.. If you didn't know that piece of history you could very easily look at a perfect Georgian dining table today, use all sorts of instruments on it and conclude they must have had unknown high technology to have produced such perfect results. The point is human beings have remarkable abilities to solve problems, the ancients were no different.. We can't imagine what kind of tech will be available in 4000 years time so we can't think in terms of the solutions they might come up with and the tools they'll have available. To solve these mysteries we have to put ourselves in the shoes of the ancients with the tools they had available..
would love to hear this man's input on the unfinished obelisk "scoop marks", specifically the indication that an articulated arm was used in conjunction with some type of device that scooped the stone. please see the timestamp starting at 50m in the video titled "The 1100 ton Unfinished Obelisk - Carved with Pounding Stones? An UnchartedX Investigation!".
"scooped the stone"? And you actually believe that? Pounding and grinding will produce that effect. Why always conclude with some physics defying technology when the mundane answer is right in front of you.
It looks to me like they laid the casing stones rough and then used pounding stones for the finishing. When you consider it took about 20 years to build on of these pyramids they must have had teams working full time just doing one job. I'd imagine they'd get very good at it and it would surprise us how quickly they could do it. In my own field of cabinet making I met an old school dovetailer who could make 8 drawers a day to perfection using hand tools. Now you can use a machine with no skills and produce hundreds. Technology on the whole doesn't so much allow you to do what couldn't have been done before, it just makes it more efficient.. If you got a job working for the pharoah the normal rules of commerce don't apply, just like a government job today. If it takes you 10 years to carve out an obelisk using insanely crude methods, so be it. In some ways the harder it is to produce something, the more value you place on it. This methodology is completely in keeping with the work we see..
No circular disc saws were used. I'm a granite sawyer and still ran loose abrasive carborundum wire saws in the late 1980s and swing frame steel shot gangsaws in 2000s. The universal changeover to bonded diamonds happened over the past 30 years.
@@kungfumaster12I can't find any egyptian disc cutting saws on your page which sort of negates your fantasticle idea that a human or a donkey for that matter could make the disc spin fast enough to cut granite. The Egyptians were sort of like Germans,,documenting everything,,and nowhere from the early Egyptians through to the Greeks and Romans do we see spinning circular saws cutting any stone. We do have depictions of drag and hole saws made from the most abundant metal known to them, copper.
@GroberWeisenstein only you are ignorant. Since I'm the smarter one here. Also, my point is. You talking but don't have proof. So you can easily be a 9yo troll lying about doing anything. 🤔
The billows has been around forever . Picture a water wheel pumping high pressure water or air. The Greeks took their technology from what they gleaned from ancient Egypt.
Just look at modern stone cutting machines and there you go, that how ancients did it too, before egyptians, long ago and now nothin left but stone, same would happen with our civilization, mount rushmore will be around with evidence of explosives and mechanical chisels and drills being used to carve it but no tools will be around to compare 🤪
At what point did Egyptians start to have wheels, and when did they start using those wheels for other than chariots and pottery? Many things become very easy to make when a civilization has wheels to use for other things besides transportation. Especially when you look at the wheels from king tut's tomb that were for his chariot. Those wheels were very narrow, and finely made to where you could put two of them in line like on a bicycle, but run a wire around it and use it as a wire saw. Such a saw could then be powered by other people, or animals, and get a good speed on the wire. So many things become possible, like lathes, where you can make the drums for columns, or even the masts for ships that are sail powered. It doesn't take too much power to rotate a wheel to drive a wire or turn a stone while it is cut internally, and there were enough people to do the work, and take turns when someone got tired.
Hello ! I'm new to your channel and I'm a house builder here in Quebec near Montreal. I don't understand your theory about the circular saw section where you see straight lines , a circular saw doesn't do straight lines but circular ? I'm missing something here . Thanks for your very interesting channel ! I'm about to press that dangerous sub button ! hihi ! You think it might have been done with ancient lazer technology ?
Now now you all know that they used copper chiseling and sand with chicken bones . 😅lol. But definitely some sort of machinary was used and pretty sure the pyramids are way way older than anyone believes or thinks.
At about 3 minutes in that flat surface against the bottom of the pyramid, it looks like there was a structure that was built against it that has now been gone…. I’m sure there is a tunnel under there somewhere that go into the bottom of the pyramid…… if you can grind the material from me enough and make a thick slurry you can pour any shape next to the hardening one and the seal will be perfect
I want to see someone make a machine that can do that today, because its totally possible. Step one you 3d scan the stones that are approximated in shape (roughed), then it is cut to shape by a large mobile cnc type machine, the stone is then set in place. step 2 The first layer is set in place, then the surface is scanned and plotted on software, the next blocks added, then this process is rinse and repeated until youve got your wall. the program can use simulations etc real time to model for specific strengths. Also look at petra, tell me that isnt done by a machine, it literally has a toolpath.
Seems like it would take just about forever, even if you had a modern day belt sander where the belt was embedded with hundreds of tiny diamonds... Surely you would need a constant stream of water when your cutting the stone too?
The base of the machine was leveled up and the angle up and down was a set angle then the tool just has to grind to the depth at the set angle from left to right from what I see.So with that being said as I have said many times in the past …The cutting tool itself is the focal point of ALL of the granite work we see in all the world including statues and those mirror walled caves in Balbek , Even the polygonal building.That cutting tip or tool was much harder than diamond cutting we use today.Think of how fast the ancients were able to bore those perfect holes in granite.Speed of cut into granite was 500 times faster than diamond??? And the material cut out HAD to have created a major dust cloud and tons of cut-out material which from what I’ve heard has never been found??
OK! This sound very interesting. So now show us how it was done. It can't be that difficult to make the tool to do what you say, to demonstrate the theory. Show us a working example to prove your theory please.
Grinding the granite with diorite will give that "scoopy" finish: ruclips.net/video/EYg0S5GefTA/видео.html
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I have been to that quarry in Aswan and tried to use the pounding stone on the obelisk myself. You don't have enough space to give that pounding stone enough velocity. Another strange aspect of those scooping marks is that they are tilted at a certain angle, and all the scoop marks follow that pattern. This would mean that all the men pounding on that rock had to tilt themselves too and follow the pattern during the thousands of hours of pounding. I also have a 3D scan of that place and will analyze the scoop marks more deeply to understand this issue because I think this explanation is just not right.
Did you try to grind it like shown in the video? Personally I believe it was a combination of fire-setting, pounding and grinding. Btw, was it worth the trip going all the way to Aswan? The furthest south I went was Luxor. But I heard Aswan isn't a nice place.
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@@Leeside999 Yes, we did the grinding too. It's funny that the mainstream explanation is that they had enough time, beers, and slaves so they did it like that... and actually, a few years back, you had to watch a propaganda video about the pounding technique before going into the quarry. There are other interesting parts of that place too, so I am planning on some other content showing around the place. Aswan may not be the nicest place in Egypt, but the Elephantine Island, the Nubian Museum, and the Quarry are interesting to see.
_"It's funny that the mainstream explanation is that they had enough time, beers, and slaves so they did it like that"_ Well they certainly had enough time. Working granite was no joke. Prisoners were often sent to the granite quarries. And there was even a saying from that time that someone was "sent to the granite" as a punishment. If they had such powerful technology that could simply "scoop" granite then they wouldn't have referred to granite quarrying in such foreboding terms. And Hatsheput's obelisk documents how it took 7 months to carve. So clearly they didn't have some fast carving technology.
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If they were to cut and carve the granite exclusively with copper and bronze tools, they would still be building the Pyramids today. The speed of these techniques has been proven and tested. If you visit Aswan, I recommend checking out the unfinished obelisk. It's HUGE! I think it would take much, much more time than 7 months with just pounding. I am soon interviewing a gentleman who figured out how to modify granite with natron. He may have an explanation for that.
I'm concerned you may not have watched my entire video or perhaps I wasn't clear. We acknowledge these techniques and don't claim it's impossible to cut granite with a copper drag bar. Take, for instance, this museum piece ruclips.net/video/2cL2UL5tzLc/видео.htmlsi=HV09glByVJUYyRDi&t=1779 where the cuts are concave and meet oddly in a corner. Another intriguing aspect is the squareness of the cut, which isn't achievable with a drag bar and loose abrasive. However, I find my guest's credibility high in this field, given his 50+ years of experience in machining and high-precision manufacturing. I'm uncertain about the expertise of the SGD channel's creator. It seems both the SGD and the Scientists Against Myths channels focus more on debunking than on the details. We know and accept that cutting granite was possible in ancient Egypt with primitive techniques, not every artifact shows marks of sophisticated machining, but SOME DO! We're referring to those found in museums or around Egypt, which we've inspected firsthand with expert eyes.
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I think the vases one of these things where the so called "DEBUNKERS" cannot really provide significant counter argument. The only arguments they could came up with were: fake vases or modified data. I am scanning thise things in October in the Petrie Museum in London, and also working together with collectors and other researchers and other Museums, so I think it will be BIG.
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We are also talking about the vases in the next episode.
SGD produces concave cuts also in the video I linked using a pendulum style cutting motion. The sarcopgagus you cite has been subjected to photogrammetry and shows that the box was initially cut horizontally before the lid broke along the center. They then started cutting the remaining half section using two blades in a scissors like fashion. I'm sure your guest is an expert with plenty of expertise but unless he has done experiments using ancient techniques then all he can offer is educated observations. SGD is only one of very few content creators who actually do experiments. He's been doing them for years. _"not every artifact shows marks of sophisticated machining"_ Why do you assume "sophisticated machining"? _"The only arguments they could came up with were: fake vases or modified data."_ Well, there are some issues with the data and how it was presented and the provenance is most definitely suspect. Night Scarab and Dedunking channels have good videos on the vases.
Cutting and shaping rock is not difficult, all this rambeling about "ancient technology" is just utter nonsence. How did Michelangelo carve the Pietà without machine-tools and electricity? basicly using the same tools as back then. Still today the stone masons rebuilding the Cathedral of Notre Dame is using chisels and mallets to shape the stone for their project. How can you not understand this.
@@jorritt sure it's a different rock, but is not that different that is makes one possible and the other not. The granit is mostly sqare blocks or round collums and larger sculptures. It's not hard to do, it's just time consuming. ruclips.net/video/XQkQwsBhj8I/видео.html
@@jorritt another one ruclips.net/video/_fIigpabcz4/видео.html
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How can you not understand what we discussed in the video? Clearly, you did not watch it in full context; you just wanted to play the 'debunker' role here. There are no chisel marks in this discussion. The marks we are talking about are not possible to make with chisels. It seems you have zero knowledge about the geometric features of Egyptian statues and buildings. No other civilization made such perfectly symmetric statues out of hard stone after them, not even those you are referring to. But actually, no one is talking about electricity either, and a 'machine' can be powered in many different ways, like the Romans did with water for cutting stone with saws.
WOW this was very interesting, really clever ideas and insight. Think you Sir
The stone looks like an apprentice and a skilled man the skilled man was showing the last pass/cut on how to do it right.
Interesting ...I've wondered if some of the more random stones found are essentially "practice" for apprentice masons? just a quick thought?/
Since there are many visible streaks in the polished stone, it is assumed that the polishing was done with some kind of machine or perhaps some kind of large scaffold structure was built from wood, which may even move forward and backward or only in one direction on the surface of the stone. It scratches the stone slowly and steadily. Therefore, it is assumed that a particular grind will use a harder material, perhaps diamond chips and lots of water.
The stripes on the surface of the stone tell you unconditionally that the machine also moves in a particularly straight line.
yo, changing the camera angle for the sneeze was fire
Haha thanks 😂yes i tried to save it
What an engrossing conversation. Thanks for putting in the time, gents. Really enlightening to see you put your knowledge to work, matching cut marks to theorised blades. On to the next video!
Thank you for the kind words! :)
Hierapolis saw. Arsenical copper saw. Aluminum oxide abrasive compound slurry.
39:23 The SAM target cut looks a lot more consistent that the "AHT Ancient cut. You can not deny that.
The box seen at the very end should've been the main focal point. It proves the cutting process is not slow and laborious or they would have corrected the error instead of allowing the blade to continue at an angle until binding and breaking-off the lid.
This is the coolest shit I've ever seen in my life. Thank you!
The Land of Chem channel explains everything about pyramids
Thank you, please write it under every video of mine
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I'm really interested in what was briefly mentioned about 28 minutes in. About how they affixed the grinding material to the tools. btw, the videos are great. I really appreciate the closeups and angles. It satisfies the geologist in me. [edited to add.] ahh I see that later it was discussed more. Looking forward to part 4!
Thank you for the kind words and for watching! 😇
At around the 30.00 I think the brum was a granite slab, narrow at base and 3 or 4 feet in hight to give it waight, with wood blocks ether side for stability use sand & water a rope at one end and simply pulled/dragged by say 50 to 100 men back and forth.
Definitely some evidence of rotary tool/machine use. But how would they of powered it?
We don't have to think only about electrical power. That is not the only way to create a powerful machine. The Romans, for example, used water-powered saws for cutting rock, etc. I am not saying this is what happened in Egypt, but there are a lot of possibilities.
No such evidence to be found. Push pull patterns is what you see here, a copper blade with a slight curve to it was most likely used. With two men, one on each side pushing forward and down on his turn would make a curved grove like that. Having a watermill powering a saw like that would also not be a problem. or any other type of mill for that matter.
If this was cut by a rotary blade the blade would need be exreamly large to fitt the patterns in the stone, the friction alone would make it imposible to cut without a realy powerfull machine. A powerfull machine like that cutting with a circular blade would not leave markings like that on the stone, the surface would be super smoth to the touch and no such stones have ever been found in egypt or any othe ancient site.
@@totobeni what about milling out a granite box or carving and polishing curved granite and diorite statue surfaces, make over cuts, make perfectly balanced and semetrical granite vases with handles, gotta explain the hardest work, not claim a copper drag saw did everything because of cherry picked artifacts with straight cuts, and not able to replicate with same tool markings
The Nile bro. They totally used the water to power this.
@@daisydog388 The "handles" is made at first as a protruding ring around the vase, this is done at the same time as you give it it's outer shape. Then you mark out the "handles" on oposite sides and chisel out the rest of the ring. This is done before drilling out the core. if you search i'll bet you'll find no vases with circular patterns going inbetween the "handles".
Again, in my own field of cabinet making, during the Georgian period you'd have had apprentices who would spend days smoothing off a table top using cabinet scrapers and abrasives to get a perfect surface. Today you can run it through a speed sander in a matter of seconds to get the same result.. If you didn't know that piece of history you could very easily look at a perfect Georgian dining table today, use all sorts of instruments on it and conclude they must have had unknown high technology to have produced such perfect results. The point is human beings have remarkable abilities to solve problems, the ancients were no different.. We can't imagine what kind of tech will be available in 4000 years time so we can't think in terms of the solutions they might come up with and the tools they'll have available. To solve these mysteries we have to put ourselves in the shoes of the ancients with the tools they had available..
I'm glad I found your channel. Just subscribed.
Thank you! Appreciate it!
would love to hear this man's input on the unfinished obelisk "scoop marks", specifically the indication that an articulated arm was used in conjunction with some type of device that scooped the stone. please see the timestamp starting at 50m in the video titled "The 1100 ton Unfinished Obelisk - Carved with Pounding Stones? An UnchartedX Investigation!".
"scooped the stone"?
And you actually believe that?
Pounding and grinding will produce that effect.
Why always conclude with some physics defying technology when the mundane answer is right in front of you.
@@Leeside999 perhaps you should actually evaluate the evidence of what i'm specifically referring to. remember, there are many ways to excavate stone.
@@AustinKoleCarlisle Such as? What other methods are there?
@@Leeside999 you can deflect all you want, but like i said please go to that timestamp for the other video and evaluate the evidence for yourself.
@@AustinKoleCarlisleWhy can't you answer a simple question? What other methods are there to quarry granite? Please tell me. I'm very curious.
The energy to run those machines probably came from the Nile
You mean like some kind of water wheel?
Trouble is we can surmise anything ...we weren't there
How do you model a building with millions of stones? Or a complex wall? All on paper?
It looks to me like they laid the casing stones rough and then used pounding stones for the finishing. When you consider it took about 20 years to build on of these pyramids they must have had teams working full time just doing one job. I'd imagine they'd get very good at it and it would surprise us how quickly they could do it.
In my own field of cabinet making I met an old school dovetailer who could make 8 drawers a day to perfection using hand tools. Now you can use a machine with no skills and produce hundreds. Technology on the whole doesn't so much allow you to do what couldn't have been done before, it just makes it more efficient..
If you got a job working for the pharoah the normal rules of commerce don't apply, just like a government job today. If it takes you 10 years to carve out an obelisk using insanely crude methods, so be it. In some ways the harder it is to produce something, the more value you place on it. This methodology is completely in keeping with the work we see..
No circular disc saws were used. I'm a granite sawyer and still ran loose abrasive carborundum wire saws in the late 1980s and swing frame steel shot gangsaws in 2000s. The universal changeover to bonded diamonds happened over the past 30 years.
All methods existed in the past. Including circular saws. 😊
Sucks that your page has no proof of granite cutting. So that negates your experience. Fix that. 😊
@@kungfumaster12 I'm retired no need to.promote something I spent a lifetime doing. Your ignorance may not be fixable.
@@kungfumaster12I can't find any egyptian disc cutting saws on your page which sort of negates your fantasticle idea that a human or a donkey for that matter could make the disc spin fast enough to cut granite. The Egyptians were sort of like Germans,,documenting everything,,and nowhere from the early Egyptians through to the Greeks and Romans do we see spinning circular saws cutting any stone. We do have depictions of drag and hole saws made from the most abundant metal known to them, copper.
@GroberWeisenstein only you are ignorant. Since I'm the smarter one here. Also, my point is. You talking but don't have proof. So you can easily be a 9yo troll lying about doing anything. 🤔
Good thoughts on this topic.
An index table is what that large piece looks like was used on it.
The billows has been around forever . Picture a water wheel pumping high pressure water or air. The Greeks took their technology from what they gleaned from ancient Egypt.
hahaha...I was going to comment until I heard; 42:20 .. nice material keep it up!!
@@echoarcade_nj thanks a lot!
your welcome
Just look at modern stone cutting machines and there you go, that how ancients did it too, before egyptians, long ago and now nothin left but stone, same would happen with our civilization, mount rushmore will be around with evidence of explosives and mechanical chisels and drills being used to carve it but no tools will be around to compare 🤪
I saw a demonstration where they used a copper saw with sand and water and it did cut the stone but didn't say how hard the stone was
At what point did Egyptians start to have wheels, and when did they start using those wheels for other than chariots and pottery?
Many things become very easy to make when a civilization has wheels to use for other things besides transportation. Especially when you look at the wheels from king tut's tomb that were for his chariot. Those wheels were very narrow, and finely made to where you could put two of them in line like on a bicycle, but run a wire around it and use it as a wire saw. Such a saw could then be powered by other people, or animals, and get a good speed on the wire.
So many things become possible, like lathes, where you can make the drums for columns, or even the masts for ships that are sail powered.
It doesn't take too much power to rotate a wheel to drive a wire or turn a stone while it is cut internally, and there were enough people to do the work, and take turns when someone got tired.
Hello ! I'm new to your channel and I'm a house builder here in Quebec near Montreal. I don't understand your theory about the
circular saw section where you see straight lines , a circular saw doesn't do straight lines but circular ? I'm missing something here . Thanks for your very interesting channel ! I'm about to press that dangerous sub button ! hihi ! You think it might have been done with ancient lazer technology ?
Lot of that cuts are probably old few hundred years or modern stuff
Imagine theses structures are 400,000 years old instead of 5-6,000.
They were ancient to the egyptians. Id say they are at least 40 to 50,000 years old if not older.
Now now you all know that they used copper chiseling and sand with chicken bones . 😅lol. But definitely some sort of machinary was used and pretty sure the pyramids are way way older than anyone believes or thinks.
At about 3 minutes in that flat surface against the bottom of the pyramid, it looks like there was a structure that was built against it that has now been gone…. I’m sure there is a tunnel under there somewhere that go into the bottom of the pyramid…… if you can grind the material from me enough and make a thick slurry you can pour any shape next to the hardening one and the seal will be perfect
I want to see someone make a machine that can do that today, because its totally possible. Step one you 3d scan the stones that are approximated in shape (roughed), then it is cut to shape by a large mobile cnc type machine, the stone is then set in place. step 2 The first layer is set in place, then the surface is scanned and plotted on software, the next blocks added, then this process is rinse and repeated until youve got your wall. the program can use simulations etc real time to model for specific strengths. Also look at petra, tell me that isnt done by a machine, it literally has a toolpath.
41:21Interesting shot of the cut line. Would like an explanation of this without some BS LAHT nonsense..
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I do not think the operative word melt is appropriate. Dissolve and reprecipitate is a better potential descriptor. Flit is quite hard if I remember
Seems like it would take just about forever, even if you had a modern day belt sander where the belt was embedded with hundreds of tiny diamonds...
Surely you would need a constant stream of water when your cutting the stone too?
The nile use to run right next to the pyramids.
The base of the machine was leveled up and the angle up and down was a set angle then the tool just has to grind to the depth at the set angle from left to right from what I see.So with that being said as I have said many times in the past …The cutting tool itself is the focal point of ALL of the granite work we see in all the world including statues and those mirror walled caves in Balbek , Even the polygonal building.That cutting tip or tool was much harder than diamond cutting we use today.Think of how fast the ancients were able to bore those perfect holes in granite.Speed of cut into granite was 500 times faster than diamond??? And the material cut out HAD to have created a major dust cloud and tons of cut-out material which from what I’ve heard has never been found??
I think the tools have already been found and reverse engineered at least what they could figure out or found so far
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Beg your pardon?
Seems like they were cuts from something on a pendulum.
Love the vid, can u please speak knowledge on using some sort of chemical to soften the rock.
Thank you! I will soon, the interview is scheduled.
I'd love to show the global land art discovery to this guy to hear what all he might say about how they shaped the globe with giant bulldozers.
OK! This sound very interesting. So now show us how it was done. It can't be that difficult to make the tool to do what you say, to demonstrate the theory. Show us a working example to prove your theory please.
Sir…
First of all and main problem here is that there was no iron or diamond tip ANITHING at the time🤷🏻♂️
Grinding the granite with diorite will give that "scoopy" finish: ruclips.net/video/EYg0S5GefTA/видео.html
I have been to that quarry in Aswan and tried to use the pounding stone on the obelisk myself. You don't have enough space to give that pounding stone enough velocity. Another strange aspect of those scooping marks is that they are tilted at a certain angle, and all the scoop marks follow that pattern. This would mean that all the men pounding on that rock had to tilt themselves too and follow the pattern during the thousands of hours of pounding. I also have a 3D scan of that place and will analyze the scoop marks more deeply to understand this issue because I think this explanation is just not right.
Did you try to grind it like shown in the video? Personally I believe it was a combination of fire-setting, pounding and grinding.
Btw, was it worth the trip going all the way to Aswan? The furthest south I went was Luxor. But I heard Aswan isn't a nice place.
@@Leeside999 Yes, we did the grinding too. It's funny that the mainstream explanation is that they had enough time, beers, and slaves so they did it like that... and actually, a few years back, you had to watch a propaganda video about the pounding technique before going into the quarry. There are other interesting parts of that place too, so I am planning on some other content showing around the place. Aswan may not be the nicest place in Egypt, but the Elephantine Island, the Nubian Museum, and the Quarry are interesting to see.
_"It's funny that the mainstream explanation is that they had enough time, beers, and slaves so they did it like that"_
Well they certainly had enough time. Working granite was no joke. Prisoners were often sent to the granite quarries. And there was even a saying from that time that someone was "sent to the granite" as a punishment.
If they had such powerful technology that could simply "scoop" granite then they wouldn't have referred to granite quarrying in such foreboding terms.
And Hatsheput's obelisk documents how it took 7 months to carve. So clearly they didn't have some fast carving technology.
If they were to cut and carve the granite exclusively with copper and bronze tools, they would still be building the Pyramids today. The speed of these techniques has been proven and tested. If you visit Aswan, I recommend checking out the unfinished obelisk. It's HUGE! I think it would take much, much more time than 7 months with just pounding. I am soon interviewing a gentleman who figured out how to modify granite with natron. He may have an explanation for that.
Circular saw cuts? : ruclips.net/video/7FSRhBZGYJg/видео.html
I'm concerned you may not have watched my entire video or perhaps I wasn't clear. We acknowledge these techniques and don't claim it's impossible to cut granite with a copper drag bar. Take, for instance, this museum piece ruclips.net/video/2cL2UL5tzLc/видео.htmlsi=HV09glByVJUYyRDi&t=1779 where the cuts are concave and meet oddly in a corner. Another intriguing aspect is the squareness of the cut, which isn't achievable with a drag bar and loose abrasive.
However, I find my guest's credibility high in this field, given his 50+ years of experience in machining and high-precision manufacturing. I'm uncertain about the expertise of the SGD channel's creator. It seems both the SGD and the Scientists Against Myths channels focus more on debunking than on the details. We know and accept that cutting granite was possible in ancient Egypt with primitive techniques, not every artifact shows marks of sophisticated machining, but SOME DO! We're referring to those found in museums or around Egypt, which we've inspected firsthand with expert eyes.
I think the vases one of these things where the so called "DEBUNKERS" cannot really provide significant counter argument. The only arguments they could came up with were: fake vases or modified data. I am scanning thise things in October in the Petrie Museum in London, and also working together with collectors and other researchers and other Museums, so I think it will be BIG.
We are also talking about the vases in the next episode.
SGD produces concave cuts also in the video I linked using a pendulum style cutting motion. The sarcopgagus you cite has been subjected to photogrammetry and shows that the box was initially cut horizontally before the lid broke along the center. They then started cutting the remaining half section using two blades in a scissors like fashion.
I'm sure your guest is an expert with plenty of expertise but unless he has done experiments using ancient techniques then all he can offer is educated observations. SGD is only one of very few content creators who actually do experiments. He's been doing them for years.
_"not every artifact shows marks of sophisticated machining"_
Why do you assume "sophisticated machining"?
_"The only arguments they could came up with were: fake vases or modified data."_
Well, there are some issues with the data and how it was presented and the provenance is most definitely suspect. Night Scarab and Dedunking channels have good videos on the vases.
your hero on the other channel done few straight cuts and booom.. mistery solved..
wow that is some good BS talking
Thank you Mr expert! 😱
Cutting and shaping rock is not difficult, all this rambeling about "ancient technology" is just utter nonsence. How did Michelangelo carve the Pietà without machine-tools and electricity? basicly using the same tools as back then. Still today the stone masons rebuilding the Cathedral of Notre Dame is using chisels and mallets to shape the stone for their project. How can you not understand this.
Pieta is made out of marble, with a hardness of 3-4. Granite has a hardness of 6-7. So yes, it is different
@@jorritt All that means is that it requires more effort to remove it.
@@jorritt sure it's a different rock, but is not that different that is makes one possible and the other not. The granit is mostly sqare blocks or round collums and larger sculptures. It's not hard to do, it's just time consuming. ruclips.net/video/XQkQwsBhj8I/видео.html
@@jorritt another one ruclips.net/video/_fIigpabcz4/видео.html
How can you not understand what we discussed in the video? Clearly, you did not watch it in full context; you just wanted to play the 'debunker' role here. There are no chisel marks in this discussion. The marks we are talking about are not possible to make with chisels. It seems you have zero knowledge about the geometric features of Egyptian statues and buildings. No other civilization made such perfectly symmetric statues out of hard stone after them, not even those you are referring to. But actually, no one is talking about electricity either, and a 'machine' can be powered in many different ways, like the Romans did with water for cutting stone with saws.