Exactly. Traditional grip only existed for necessity. If you change your drum set up, matched grip makes way more sense. Also it’s kinda just mechanics, you’ll always be faster and smoother when your hands are playing in a symmetrical way. Instead of traditional where one hand is essentially twisting. Also Buddy Rich was notorious for being an asshole to his band mates so I truly appreciate his skills and playing but nobody has to listen to his opinions lol
As much of a legend as I agree he is, what i’m hearing is: “I didn’t learn that way so it’s wrong.” Sometimes it’s hard to watch change become the norm.
@@johnsmith-ln7ni I mean maybe. I think the biggest advantage to traditional grip is power control on the snare, but that’s also just a practice thing.
@@zanybandyt7774 depends where the snare is, and how you learned. I’ll admit it’s easier if I’m playing jazz and focusing more on the snare, but playing any other genre my snare positioning would make it too hard to play snare and hi hat at the same time. Different for everybody.
@wickeywaanzla3015 Why do you feel the need to tell me what I should do? Read a comment and move on, and while you're at it, find someone else to boss so you can feel important and better about yourself.
That's a tell tale sign you're getting older, is when you complain about the issues you personally see with the next generation. When I was studying music in college I took a jazz appreciation class and Louie Armstrong complained about bebop and other modern styles of jazz after his time.
a famous swing trumpet player once stated "We don't flat our fifths, we DRINK em." Bravo, you're still stuck in the past, homie. Buddy Rich sounds like a grumpy, bitter old man losing any relevance he had faster than his hairline can escape.
Yep. Jim Brown has done the same by criticizing today's running backs for not being as tough and stepping out of bounds instead of physically engaging with the defender.
@mistah mayne It happens to us all. One day you will realize that music has passed you by and you just don't like anything contemporary or even care to know about it.
Buddy was great, no doubt, but he loved to inflate his already massive ego by belittling other drummers. He didn't like that Bonham, Baker, Moon and others were getting the spotlight, and not himself.
Yah, because wtf did he knew about drumming right ? He only set standards ,I mean mhoaww! He wasn't that great compared to the guys that came after him. The spotlight he already had when they were still sucking tits ... You really need to learn the difference between emotional bias (you) and being factual , buddy rich set standards
@@MichelLinschoten He was the kind of guy who didn't really feel the music, he was just flexing his chops. He was incredibly talented, but probably wouldn't have been able to do for example the supportive work on the kick that we can see from John Bonham. He was talented, but egoistic and definitely not a team player.
@@easpoorts that's because people wanted to PLAY with and FOR him not the other way around. His "arrogance" was pure perfection for the craft that he rightfully so. He was known to be a perfectionist. His body of work is proof of that , it's like stating miles Davis was arrogant ... Buddy rich is one of the most influential drummers of all times. He was allowed to be cocky !
@@bcg6760 it's called matched grip. french grip is a type of matched grip, there is also german grip which is *also* a matched grip. the different between french and german grip is how you are holding onto the stick. they are called matched grips, because your left and right hand are holding the stick in the same way. what he demonstrated was french grip, with his thumbs on the top of the stick - with german grip you wrap your thumb around the stick. but he was still correct in referring to it as matched grip
@@musicmaniac2657 19980* Average human hearing range is 20hz-20khz Edit: and theoretically more if you go into decimal values. Though that's irrelevant because humans can't notice minute differences in pitch. JND is estimated to be 5 cents for the average person, but can go down for trained musicians.
Ginger Baker did the same thing (put other drummers - and their styles - down). But personally, if musicians (& all creative artists) didn’t have big egos, then they probably would be a lot less interesting - and certainly less colorful!😊)
He's from a different era, for sure. Back when the "world was smaller" people who were considered the very best were actually just the people who were very very good, but also got all of the breaks and the attention- often due to money/connections, etc. There were always hundreds, maybe thousands of people as good or better. The internet has blown that shit out of the water.
@@567dirt8910 , all true to a great degree, but Krupa also got negative publicity by being busted for drugs at least once. Of course that could also work in his favor too (notoriety can also be worn as a badge of honor when you are the underdog). So I don’t cut him down, just put it all in perspective, and take what he - and those who disagree with him as well - all with a grain of salt.
That's why jazz is a love/hate relationship for me. The music's great but everyone who plays it puts themselves on a golden pedestal like they're the best there's ever been and looks down on everyone else.
And years later a rock drummer recorded 2 tribute albums with a bunch of rock drummers playing a bunch of jazz standards with BR original band. Times change, Buddy....
True but you just kind of made Buddy's point. Neil Peart changed to the classic buddy grip to play on those Buddy Rich tribute Albums and never went back to Match Grip afterwards. Neil was better than ever after doing so and I'm not saying traditional grip was the reason why but I believe the experience as a whole brought him to that new level.
@@montyrayza7220 Neil only recorded Test for Echo with strictly traditional grip. After that album and tour he went back and forth between the two as he saw fit.
That metalhead Serbian drummer with a long beard and a cowbell on his snare? Who only mimics, copies, covers and has zero creativity and originality? Yes, Rich would shit on him too.
Imagine his response to double strokes on kick pedals.... would he frown on swivel tecnique? I mean.... he never played double kick, so he couldnt argue it wasn't correct, or improper.... george kollias
@@dkizxpt-su3ze ooookay!! Lol Your mom can run through more dudes than normal but that doesn't make her a good drum skin. Listen to George Kolias or El Estapario. The argument you're attempting to make is very much like, "cars were much more fuel efficient and faster 50 years ago and that's just not true. You're basically a complete idiot.
@@HappyHermitt True but he did play with Jimi, I was listening to Blues at sunrise on the record he did with SRV and he sounds complimentary when telling SRV he'd have to play the Hendrix style because he recorded that song with Hendrix.
@@zachhill8637 maybe that's your opinion but not to me, if you actually look at what people were doing before him, then what they did after, and if you look at how musicians we're racially before. And after. He completely changed everything.
Younger kids all say "Buddy Rich is just an old, jazz drummer... He can't play anything cool." Having seen him I'm person and listened to him for years and him being my inspiration for becoming a drummer, there's nothing he can't play, including rock and much better just about anyone I know. He chooses to play a lot of jazz but, ask him to siting with anyone and see what's up. Ask Portnoy, Chad Smith and all the others what they think about him. One thing he has is stick speed, I saw him hold a quarter on the wall about shoulder height and say "watch this." at which point he proceeded to do s dlstick roll with the tip on the quarter and take his other hand away. The quarter stayed right there because his roll was so fast it didn't have a chance to drop. A lot of his skill and technique is from lots of continuous practice but, a lot of it is from sheer, God given talent. 😊
I first heard those recordings on vinyl. That shit was viral before the internet existed! Bootlegged on countless tapes. Man, he was a megalomaniacal PRICK!
its because its bad technique. Its not that you cant do it. Its that you can accomplish more using the “correct” way. Thus making it harder to play and other musicians having to use other types of fills that their mind creates as he way implying.
All three of u retarded he said u cant roll with it properly then demonstrated the superior roll, then he showed how they rely on speed more, where he takes the most efficient movements as most trained musicians do for their instrument. Like playing a guitar with one finger, even if you get something to sound the same whyd u do it
@BlackroomFilms Oh that's super obvious now, I was pretty tired when I saw this originally. Incredibly based of him for immediately thinking of trans people when he reads miniskirts, but I have a feeling he wouldn't appreciate me implying that.
@@WarNoob755 Ok but like he was wrong, you never tell someone they’re playing their instrument wrong, if it works for them, being an elitist isn’t ok, even if you’re Buddy Rich
You're= You Are Your= Something belonging to you Also, and I can't stress this enough, Hendrix is among the most overrated musicians of all time in any genre. Not saying he wasn't a fine player, but he wasn't this super hero people make him out to be.
@@zachhill8637 No, he wasn't a god, but he was incredibly influential which means he impacted the soundscape of our culture dramatically. I know plenty of people who don't like The Beatles, but not one of them would argue they didn't drastically alter music in western culture. It's not that Jimi was a super hero it's that what he played changed how people thought about music.
@@MrFchank the flame that burns twice as bright lasts half as long... And that's why, 40 years after his death every drummer alive still knows bonhams name. you clearly don't understand what legacy is or what it means, so just do us all a favor and be quiet
Traditional grip was used for when the drum hung at the side of your waist like the old military and marching, but matched grip is better for the drum set since you're sitting and playing with no drum hanging from your waist.
@@PanchromaticNoise Well if your playing on a old, small or crappy kits, traditional usually gives you better options. Also lets be honest traditional looks awesome!
He could play perfectly with matched grip it’s just the way he moved around the drums in a big band jazz context traditional grip was more practical. He didn’t really like, or appreciate rock music, but every rock drummer was influenced by him.
@@lunchbox1553 yes you are right. But buddy was saying that traditional is the RIGHT way to play. The commenter was just pointing out that a lot of drummers nowadays are really proficient with matched sticks. His point being that matched players play just as good as traditional players, not better. So basically what you're saying.
@@dcase20 that idea is clouded and wrong, jazz isnt the godfather of all modern drumming music, more like its cousin. It had some real influence but you cant just say JB and Pearts parts were built off of and jazz influenced. There is a certain independence in playing an instrument and once you try and limit it like this, the styles wont grow and expand into what we know and love today. Buddy Rich was a great drummer but the man was ignorant and nihilistic to think that there is only one proper way to play the drums. Thats like saying EVH learned to tap from goddamn BB king. Its not true, gatekeeping has always been a thing amongst these arrogant jazz drummers and I can’t see them accepting new styles until theyre all dead unfortunately. Great drumming is not cosmetically measured
@Topjunkie I disagree just like other instruments (guitar, piano, even singing) have different styles and techniques. I’d split it into 3. Classical, jazz, modern. I feel that jazz is very unique. It feels like it’s an in between. It’s not controlled and precise like classical but not intense and uniform like modern styles. This goes for drumming too. Jazz tone and resonance is different from modern drumming. The techniques used are different. What we focus on is different
@Topjunkie & Jazz drummers most definitely cant handle metal! Blast beats, 250bpm 16ths on hands and feet, ankle motion or swivel, gravity blasts, various stroke figures on kicks, 1st tom to 7th tom mobility around the kit.... How do people always want to compare two completely different genres in music, its beyond me. Some really need to cool their ego! Buddy Rich is a legend, but just like Maradona was nowhere as good as Messi, on todays standard, same with drummers...
Sonny T plays left handed bass and guitar on right hand instruments that are still strung for right hand players. He never has a problem finding a guitar on short notice.🤣😂
@@northernhemisphere4906 Well, you can play, and 3/10 people might love listening o you play, but sometimes even 3 people can be enough of a crowd to pump anyone up, or, you can impress, as in, make an impression upon, and play such a good show that they remember you forever… sooo, not really sure what that means lol.
@@KEVBOYMUSIC You’re taking this way too literally lol. I used to have to play recitals at least once a month back in my teens, and after getting through all the beginners playing for their first time, my teacher and I would come on to play to the crowd. Often they were bored to tears by then, but sometimes they were in a good mood, and so we would choose which styles to play through, whether it was slow stuff like 6/8 or bossanova, or jazz, disco, rock, etc., and yeah, at a recital, you absolutely want to impress lol. If you’re thinking I was talking about just being in a band - I definitely was - and that’s what we did for fun. But thanks for the music ethics lesson anyway lol 🙂👍
@@5117sebastian It's really not at all... You are madsively overestimating traditional grip. It's not a magic grip that makes you better for no reason 😂 Plus, in the genre the Beatles are playing, Ringo wouldn't even be able to get much boon from traditional grip. He's playing slow rock beats 90% of the time... Maybe you could explain specifically how traditional grip would help him since I seem to be having a hard time understanding where you're coming from?
I like how he deliberately tries to not play matched grip around the kit but then realizes at the end he doesn't know what he's talking about since he was fully capable of playing matched grip at the end
Can you imagine his reaction to styles that came AFTER that though? Never say this is the ONLY way something is allowed to be done. Innovation always seems to follow someone saying that nonsense.
I loved the way that he worked and maneuvered the hi hat with traditional grip and the more that I keep practicing, I'm getting more and more comfortable with traditional grip.
One of the greatest moments of my life was meeting Buddy Rich in his touring bus in Ottawa, just a few months before he died. He was very gracious and signed my friend's practice pad.
Neal switched back and forth and mainly only used traditional grip when actually playing jazz. Neal mainly played matched grip and his crossovers absolutely prove Buddy Rich wrong that you can’t move around the kit as fast.
Yes and Bingham & Starr also would use this grip. Kind of negates Buddy Rich’s authority as a great drummer since he can’t see past the technical differences to understand the creativity.
Copeland doesn’t play traditional grip. Traditional grip calls for the left index and middle fingers to go under the stick. Copeland holds the stick with only the index finger. Seems like a petty difference, but he’s explained it allows him to play louder. I tried it years ago and can confirm. That unique grip may also explain why Copeland has had so many injuries.
@@andy_travis Alberto Bejarano offers a great explanation... . *your contribution of yawning is useless* ... and Im going to add some video links for people to see Copeland's technique 😁 ruclips.net/video/OQGmaWYC4OE/видео.html ruclips.net/video/yB65_CVbo-0/видео.html
I’ve been a rock drummer for 30 years, and the last few years I’ve been playing in a jazz band. There was a time when I thought jazz was a joke, that it was easy, that there was nothing to it, that you just played whatever you wanted and be done with it. Let me say that I got very humbled, and literally had to teach myself some basic things and abated some bad habits. Rich was before my time, but I’ve got into him because of the magic of RUclips. Of the rock drummers who have been my hero, probably the closest to him in terms of his explosive speed and timing is Carl Palmer.
Lol. You must be stupid then. Jazz predates Rock. Without Jazz there would be no Rock! Clearly you must be self taught or you'd know that. The Jazz guys invented the bass drum pedal, hi hat and everything we use in modern Rock and contemporary.
@@dcmastermindfirst9418 No, not stupid and quite the contrary. You are clearly a jerk though. And probably quite stupid. Making an enemy of someone who is not your enemy, who was just telling a story about his past ignorance, is a great example of stupidity.
@@TheInnerParty Hahahahahaha I'm stupid and a jerk??? Says the guy with 30 years drumming experience that had no idea rock drumming literally came from jazz. You are dumb as shit.
Traditional grip originated when drummer Boys in the military had to play kinda diagonal because of the way their drum hung on them. With a drum kit, holding them that way is kind of anachronistic
In music there is no right way or wrong way, only different ways, regardless of instrument. There's purists, and then there's those that want to try something different. Without experimentation, music is stifled.
@@captaintacos2179 True, bad form can be detrimental sometimes, but there are those that stretch the physical boundaries to achieve all manner of new techniques and music that were unimaginable before. Were they wrong to do so? Not if they achieved the desired result. Sometimes the body is sacrificed to assuage the mind's desire.
I was just going to mention this. First time I saw Buddy Rich was on the Muppet Show when I was like 8 or so (mid 80s). I remember him walking around and "drumming" all over the goofy crap on the walls and stuff.
You both completely missed the point of the video and it’s statement. The point is about education and application of traditional technical ability, that guy there was classically trained and learned a discipline, and by F’k could he drum. He could play everything to do with drumming. The others mentioned, were one trick ponies in over-hyped bands that could only do one thing…
@@DARTHMOBIUS cope lol, ringo might be one of the best drummers of all time. One trick ponies my ass, you dont come up with come together and ticket to ride by being a one trick pony
John Bonham was a master percussionist and surpassed every drummer on the planet in his late 20’s and early 30’s.. one could only imagine if Bonzo had lived to Buddy Rich’s age
@@richardstorm3283 Jazz is relative Jazz fusion, all music can be as simple and difficult as the player wants, Bass is the easiest because it only has 4 strings? Someone said that to me in Jr high, what you do with your instrument makes it what it is, the genre has nothing to do with it, respectively
@@perfectlygoodslouch5212 I understand your point, but not all music gives you the freedom that jazz has, other genres are very repetitive and somehow do not allow the musician to release his potential, and at the same time the instrumentalist studies only what he plays, that's why I tell you that jazz musicians are much more experienced compared to those of other genres.
“Those drummers that were more famous and worth more money than me didn’t know what they were doing, and the people listening to them playing didn’t know what they were listening to.” - Buddy Rich
@@Ouhayottoko better might not be the case. But that still doesn't excuse being such a gatekeeper about it. Music is first and foremost a form of artistic expression - there is a "science" behind it, but to say that there is a right and a wrong way to express yourself (through music) is misguided and petty. Hold the sticks with your buttcheeks if that's what you prefer - just because you can play the same things faster, doesn't make it any more "right".
Buddy didn't realize that the 'POP' record buying public from the late 50's forward, did not really care how good the musicians were, if they like the song. I was a drummer. Buddy could play more in one song than I played in a set, however, I still got complements from fellow musicians and people in the audience.
An absolute legend and a natural born phenomenon behind the drums the likes of which we’ll never see again. The reality of it is he played a lot of matched grip and used it better then anyone.
In his day, you learned drums by listening to a record or going to a concert - that's pretty much it. With the internet, learning drums has improved by a billion, and styles have blown up into so much more.
Buddy Rich learnt "on the job" so to say as he was in vaudeville shows since he was a young child. He almost certainly got some instruction from other musicians as was the norm for the day. Formal tuition was widely available at the time although Buddy Rich doesn't seem to have received any though he did teach lessons himself early in his career.
@@turnsufficient4971 Keith Moon was taught to play the drums as part of a local marching band while he was at school and Ginger Baker had lessons from Phil Seaman, one of the most highly regarded drummers in Britain at the time (who used matched grip and imo a much more interesting drummer than Rich) . Ringo & Bonham do seem to be largely self taught though.
I dunno man, Neil Peart idolized this man, and Peart is widely considered as one of the best, most technically proficient drummer to exist. He's called "The Professor" for a reason 🤷🏻
@@TheOnyxSpy the problem with Buddy is that although he was a brilliant drummer, he was also a complete and total arsehole. Look at his interviews and how he speaks of his contemporaries.
I’m sorry I just researched your comment. And had endure that someone pissed in their cornflake music to see a guy doing nothing with a pretty drumset. Apples and bug shit comparison. Research buddy, watch his hands disappear. Lead a band built around his playing and learn something, After that crap I just watched that the least you can do.
@@ratamahatta5306 my age or date of birth has nothing to do with it. Buddy rich is a good drummer but there were so many black drummers who were forgotten despite having massive impacts on jazz. Buddy rich is a household name because he market himself. He was a good drummer but he was not the drumming messiah as many claim. I personally prefer Larnell and Nate Smith.
What?! Every Baby Boomer-era white guy in America thinks the man farts rainbows. Buddy, Peart and John Bonham are pretty much the holy trinity of drumming for hobbyists and intermediate players.
@@ryancox5097 dude yes. Garstka and Joey Jordison are probably my two favorite drummers for their sheer creativity. Matt is one of the most mind-blowing artists I've ever heard
Even as a long time guitarist, I never shit on younger guitarists no matter their level. With today’s mass resources and tech that’s easily available for young people to learn, they pick more stuff than what I was able to learn at their age. So many talented young prodigy nowadays
@@rockyevans1584 joey was a fucking beast, probably one of the fastest and most agressive metal drummers, but i agree that they held him back, the only albums where he truly showed off his ability were the self titled and iowa. so sad he got that stupid disease and they treated him so bad. may he rest in peace
@@eduardozepol2000 yeah seems like the band had some serious high school clique vibes, their singer has the worst douchebaggery to bodyweight ratio I've ever seen. Having said that, I saw em in like 06 with log opening for em and it was a damn fun show. Joey did the upside down dealio. Saw log again the next night and they were headliners in a shitty little bar and they complained about Slipknot putting limiters on all their openers equipment lol that was a fun trip
@@tss1473 he's a fine singer, you know well how people tend to bias towards what they enjoy and seeing a prime Randy Blythe singing only from ashes back kind of overshadowed Corey for me. Slipknot was good too, I was just way less stoked on their tunes relative to old log. I think Adler was a notably better drummer than JJ to fwiw
There’s a promotional video of the song “You shook me” by Led Zeppelin where for about 2/3 of the video he uses a traditional grip. Very interesting to see as that’s the only time I’ve seen him use that
I haven't seen enough Zep videos showing enough of Bonzo to know for sure because unfortunately they don't exist. I'm going to review my copy of "The Song Remains The Same" to look into it. Do I actually care much? NO. Was Bonham a great drummer? YES.
When you're listening to the work of these "new kids" you could not care less on how they hold the sticks, how they pick or if they yell instead of singing
Big band jazz drummers like Buddy Rich tilted the snare away from them to better accentuate rimshots. Watch any footage and you'll see the angle the snare is at (vs modern drummers who angle the snare towards them) - and in that case, yes, matched grip is much harder to play than traditional Basically, context is important people
You know what’s weird, as only a music listener I have been wondering why some people hold their sticks differently, and I wanted to ask someone but didn’t bc I didn’t want to sound dumb. And then I get this short suggested and I’m just 🤯
Too bad he’s 100% wrong. Many drummers myself included use all different style grips for different playing situations and different textures. JoJo Mayer and Thomas Lang use all grips. There’s never been a right or wrong. Turns out buddy rich was a cocky dickhead
@@nicholass.6829 lol, aye I was just looking for what it was called cause I noticed back then the sticks were held different plus like in marching bands they can hold them traditionally too. I’m the furthest you could be from a musician so, I just get curious about things sometimes and wanna find the answer lol 😅
The traditional grip evolved from historic marching drums that were slung over one shoulder and couldn't be played with a matched grip, because the drum is almost sideways every time your left foot goes forward. Matched grip is definitely superior from a technique perspective, as it utilizes 3 times as many muscles. In spite of that fact, Buddy could outplay anybody in the world at that time, and that's part of what makes him great.
The problem is is it's not exactly accurate. There are a ton of insane drummers playing match. Buddy just wasn't a match player once in a while he switched to it for a certain section of a song maybe but he wasn't a match grip player normally. So of course he's biased just like he was biased to every kind of music other than jazz and big band for the most part.
Its more of a traditional reason behind the weird grip, match grip is more modern and easier, it can be used to achieve the same notes and time signatures so really its just a preference. But don’t listen to those that tell you match is wrong, like Buddy Rich, they r just scared of the art form progressing past what they were taught
Soldiers used traditional grip because it was a more natural way for them to hit the drum when it was slung over their shoulder
Exactly. Traditional grip only existed for necessity. If you change your drum set up, matched grip makes way more sense. Also it’s kinda just mechanics, you’ll always be faster and smoother when your hands are playing in a symmetrical way. Instead of traditional where one hand is essentially twisting. Also Buddy Rich was notorious for being an asshole to his band mates so I truly appreciate his skills and playing but nobody has to listen to his opinions lol
@@aa-rondavis2914 amen brother
As much as I love Buddy, this is exactly the comment I was looking for
yup. slanted shoulder slung drum at 30°
You can do everything with traditional grip that you can do with matched grip. Traditional grip is is better for the nuanced jazz techniques.
As much of a legend as I agree he is, what i’m hearing is: “I didn’t learn that way so it’s wrong.”
Sometimes it’s hard to watch change become the norm.
Buddy is right... the trade off is speed -vs- playing melodically... i.e. speed is very impressive but melodically is more effective...
That’s such a true quote. “Sometimes it’s hard to watch change become the norm.” Good shit dude.
@@johnsmith-ln7ni I mean maybe. I think the biggest advantage to traditional grip is power control on the snare, but that’s also just a practice thing.
Ita because you dont understand the drums.
@@reredrumuoy okay, you don’t understand music.
This is the "in my day we walked 5 miles through the snow" of drumming
bro traditional is just more comfortable
@@zanybandyt7774 depends where the snare is, and how you learned. I’ll admit it’s easier if I’m playing jazz and focusing more on the snare, but playing any other genre my snare positioning would make it too hard to play snare and hi hat at the same time. Different for everybody.
@@zanybandyt7774 it absolutely isn’t. 5 years of marching snare and I’ll rarely pick traditional over matched when on the kit.
@@zanybandyt7774 lol there’s a reason 99.99% of drummers use matched grip
Or perhaps it’s the “I resent other players having success without being a clone of me” of drumming?
He was very humble and treated his band members very well, almost like family…😜
Nice sarcasm 🤣🤣🤣🤣
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@@vladpadowicz5946Why do you feel the need to give it away? Just let the joke roll. Jfc
@wickeywaanzla3015 Why do you feel the need to tell me what I should do?
Read a comment and move on, and while you're at it, find someone else to boss so you can feel important and better about yourself.
@@vladpadowicz5946 Why do you feel the need to act as stupid as you do?
Children..
That's a tell tale sign you're getting older, is when you complain about the issues you personally see with the next generation. When I was studying music in college I took a jazz appreciation class and Louie Armstrong complained about bebop and other modern styles of jazz after his time.
a famous swing trumpet player once stated "We don't flat our fifths, we DRINK em." Bravo, you're still stuck in the past, homie. Buddy Rich sounds like a grumpy, bitter old man losing any relevance he had faster than his hairline can escape.
Yep. Jim Brown has done the same by criticizing today's running backs for not being as tough and stepping out of bounds instead of physically engaging with the defender.
albert king saying Hendrix cant play the blues is another example
Just wait till you get older; you will come to the same conclusion that modern music is shite. We all do it. Every generation.
@mistah mayne It happens to us all. One day you will realize that music has passed you by and you just don't like anything contemporary or even care to know about it.
Buddy was great, no doubt, but he loved to inflate his already massive ego by belittling other drummers. He didn't like that Bonham, Baker, Moon and others were getting the spotlight, and not himself.
you are so right.
He did not like anybody above 5 feet tall playing the drums....
Yah, because wtf did he knew about drumming right ? He only set standards ,I mean mhoaww! He wasn't that great compared to the guys that came after him. The spotlight he already had when they were still sucking tits ...
You really need to learn the difference between emotional bias (you) and being factual , buddy rich set standards
@@MichelLinschoten He was the kind of guy who didn't really feel the music, he was just flexing his chops. He was incredibly talented, but probably wouldn't have been able to do for example the supportive work on the kick that we can see from John Bonham. He was talented, but egoistic and definitely not a team player.
@@easpoorts that's because people wanted to PLAY with and FOR him not the other way around. His "arrogance" was pure perfection for the craft that he rightfully so. He was known to be a perfectionist. His body of work is proof of that , it's like stating miles Davis was arrogant ...
Buddy rich is one of the most influential drummers of all times.
He was allowed to be cocky !
I could never argue with Buddy Rich on anything drums but this..............
he couldve just scooched his chair back
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i love how he holds himself back when he used match grip
I also love how he doesn't know that it's called a French Grip.
dishonesty is easy to spot... and Buddy Rich was "full of it".
@@bcg6760 I’ve heard it be referred to as both
@@bcg6760 it's called matched grip. french grip is a type of matched grip, there is also german grip which is *also* a matched grip. the different between french and german grip is how you are holding onto the stick. they are called matched grips, because your left and right hand are holding the stick in the same way.
what he demonstrated was french grip, with his thumbs on the top of the stick - with german grip you wrap your thumb around the stick. but he was still correct in referring to it as matched grip
@@screeeeeeemttv I didn’t know this, but now I do. Pretty cool piece of drumming technique knowledge, thanks!
"You only have 12 notes. Do what you want with them.”
- Eddie Van Halen
24-48+ if you count the microtones 🤓
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5280 if you count the hz 🤓
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@@musicmaniac2657 wouldn’t it be infinite then?
@@musicmaniac2657 19980*
Average human hearing range is 20hz-20khz
Edit: and theoretically more if you go into decimal values.
Though that's irrelevant because humans can't notice minute differences in pitch. JND is estimated to be 5 cents for the average person, but can go down for trained musicians.
I’ve seen several interviews of Buddy, in most he is putting other drum styles that are different from his down.
Ginger Baker did the same thing (put other drummers - and their styles - down). But personally, if musicians (& all creative artists) didn’t have big egos, then they probably would be a lot less interesting - and certainly less colorful!😊)
@@LawrenceCarroll1234 Very True 👍
He's from a different era, for sure. Back when the "world was smaller" people who were considered the very best were actually just the people who were very very good, but also got all of the breaks and the attention- often due to money/connections, etc. There were always hundreds, maybe thousands of people as good or better. The internet has blown that shit out of the water.
@@567dirt8910 , all true to a great degree, but Krupa also got negative publicity by being busted for drugs at least once. Of course that could also work in his favor too (notoriety can also be worn as a badge of honor when you are the underdog).
So I don’t cut him down, just put it all in perspective, and take what he - and those who disagree with him as well - all with a grain of salt.
That's why jazz is a love/hate relationship for me. The music's great but everyone who plays it puts themselves on a golden pedestal like they're the best there's ever been and looks down on everyone else.
And years later a rock drummer recorded 2 tribute albums with a bunch of rock drummers playing a bunch of jazz standards with BR original band. Times change, Buddy....
True but you just kind of made Buddy's point. Neil Peart changed to the classic buddy grip to play on those Buddy Rich tribute Albums and never went back to Match Grip afterwards.
Neil was better than ever after doing so and I'm not saying traditional grip was the reason why but I believe the experience as a whole brought him to that new level.
@@montyrayza7220 Neil only recorded Test for Echo with strictly traditional grip. After that album and tour he went back and forth between the two as he saw fit.
How about living by this: Play how you feel most comfortable, and don’t stop learning.
Bun E. Carlos said something very similar and proved it on a drum kit.
@@freddygonzalez8797 and ended up messing up his hands really bad, I don't think he can play anymore.
@@thaiphrasestoknow9214
Actually, on top of that I believe he also may have back issues.
Buddy rich would shit himself if he saw the modern metal drummer playing match grip at 300bpm.
And then talk shit on those metal drummers regardless
That metalhead Serbian drummer with a long beard and a cowbell on his snare? Who only mimics, copies, covers and has zero creativity and originality? Yes, Rich would shit on him too.
Imagine his response to double strokes on kick pedals.... would he frown on swivel tecnique? I mean.... he never played double kick, so he couldnt argue it wasn't correct, or improper.... george kollias
Buddy Rich can play faster than all of them
@@dkizxpt-su3ze ooookay!! Lol Your mom can run through more dudes than normal but that doesn't make her a good drum skin. Listen to George Kolias or El Estapario. The argument you're attempting to make is very much like, "cars were much more fuel efficient and faster 50 years ago and that's just not true. You're basically a complete idiot.
He's the drum equivalent to Albert King, I adore Albert King, but oh my god the things he said about Jimi Hendrix
It wasn't jealousy. I just believe Albert never listened to enough of Jimi.
@@HappyHermitt True but he did play with Jimi, I was listening to Blues at sunrise on the record he did with SRV and he sounds complimentary when telling SRV he'd have to play the Hendrix style because he recorded that song with Hendrix.
In an interview I remember Albert saying that Jimi and SRV were the only 2 that could do the Albert King bend right
Hendrix is among the most overrated musicians of all time. In any genre. On any instrument.
@@zachhill8637 maybe that's your opinion but not to me, if you actually look at what people were doing before him, then what they did after, and if you look at how musicians we're racially before. And after. He completely changed everything.
Younger kids all say "Buddy Rich is just an old, jazz drummer... He can't play anything cool."
Having seen him I'm person and listened to him for years and him being my inspiration for becoming a drummer, there's nothing he can't play, including rock and much better just about anyone I know. He chooses to play a lot of jazz but, ask him to siting with anyone and see what's up. Ask Portnoy, Chad Smith and all the others what they think about him.
One thing he has is stick speed, I saw him hold a quarter on the wall about shoulder height and say "watch this." at which point he proceeded to do s dlstick roll with the tip on the quarter and take his other hand away. The quarter stayed right there because his roll was so fast it didn't have a chance to drop. A lot of his skill and technique is from lots of continuous practice but, a lot of it is from sheer, God given talent. 😊
The secret recordings of him screaming at his band on the bus are hysterical.
Buddy absolutely eviscerates his band. 😬🙉 I'm not sure why they put up it!😒😳🤔
I first heard those recordings on vinyl. That shit was viral before the internet existed! Bootlegged on countless tapes. Man, he was a megalomaniacal PRICK!
My grandpa played with him. Said he was a real asshole but a real talent.
@@letsgobrandon5800 What instrument(s) did he play?!
@@jaypeterson7637 guitar and bass
"Ya see, with matched grip, ya can't..--" *does the exact thing he says you can't*
lol i saw the same clip of him followed by him ripping with match grip
ruclips.net/video/6TfrjCYRxRc/видео.html
its because its bad technique. Its not that you cant do it. Its that you can accomplish more using the “correct” way. Thus making it harder to play and other musicians having to use other types of fills that their mind creates as he way implying.
All three of u retarded he said u cant roll with it properly then demonstrated the superior roll, then he showed how they rely on speed more, where he takes the most efficient movements as most trained musicians do for their instrument. Like playing a guitar with one finger, even if you get something to sound the same whyd u do it
@@auxc.6805 Bullshit. The best technique is the technique that works. And where is Jazz now?
"You kids today with your hula hoops and your miniskirts!"
@chad stengel What?
@@Eggtismo hes talkin about transgender people but i think hes misunderstanding the comment hes replying to 😭
@BlackroomFilms Oh that's super obvious now, I was pretty tired when I saw this originally. Incredibly based of him for immediately thinking of trans people when he reads miniskirts, but I have a feeling he wouldn't appreciate me implying that.
@@Eggtismo no one cares that much be quiet
@Natalia Poklonskaya This conversation took place days ago and you weren't part of it. If you truly don't care, why go out of your way to reignite it?
Imagine Eric Clapton in the 60’s telling Jimi Hendrix “Your doing it wrong”.
Nope. Just not “your way”.
The man detailed why he felt the way he did.
@@WarNoob755 Ok but like he was wrong, you never tell someone they’re playing their instrument wrong, if it works for them, being an elitist isn’t ok, even if you’re Buddy Rich
You're= You Are
Your= Something belonging to you
Also, and I can't stress this enough, Hendrix is among the most overrated musicians of all time in any genre. Not saying he wasn't a fine player, but he wasn't this super hero people make him out to be.
@@zachhill8637 No, he wasn't a god, but he was incredibly influential which means he impacted the soundscape of our culture dramatically. I know plenty of people who don't like The Beatles, but not one of them would argue they didn't drastically alter music in western culture. It's not that Jimi was a super hero it's that what he played changed how people thought about music.
@@GioGioPietromica425 he wasn't being the elitist. He was showing the cons of what they were doing.
They don’t get more creative than that
John Bonham: hold my Vodka
Neil Peart: hold my gold stands.
@@n.k8557 Tommy Lee: hold my penis while I film it.
Yep,and then at 32,he choked to death on his own vomit. What a great career.
@@MrFchankwhy would you have to bring that up?!🤦🏻
@@MrFchank the flame that burns twice as bright lasts half as long... And that's why, 40 years after his death every drummer alive still knows bonhams name. you clearly don't understand what legacy is or what it means, so just do us all a favor and be quiet
When he says “you can’t do it that way” he means “I can’t do it that way”
True that
No! That's just not true.
bro what I think you dont play drums
@@salad9601 What
He realized way back then what so many of us know now, that your music sucks and it's only going to get worse.
Bill Ward has a jazz drumming background and you hear it in Black Sabbath
Yeah. I love how he incorporated that on the first couple albums. AND, he used match grip.
Most of the best Rock drummers started playing jazz.
From Ringo starr to Dave Lombardo from Slayer. They all started playing Jazz.
Get a clue.
Check out the last track on their first album it’s the jazziest/bluesiest song in their discography
So did ginger baker
Just like with guitar you need to be raised in the blues. To make a great rock drummer or drummer in general you should have some knowledge of jazz.
Traditional grip was used for when the drum hung at the side of your waist like the old military and marching, but matched grip is better for the drum set since you're sitting and playing with no drum hanging from your waist.
Yup! There's no significant benefit from traditional over matched on set.
@@PanchromaticNoise Well if your playing on a old, small or crappy kits, traditional usually gives you better options. Also lets be honest traditional looks awesome!
“You can’t really do anything” 60 years later, all these drummers who surpassed him play with match grip.
One of the greatest drummers ever AND was prone to be a douchebag.
You'll find most of the greatest musicians had a huge fucking ego, Frederic Chopin and John Lennon were like this too.
Meh ~ people be flawed.
Sinatra couldn't stand him. That in in a nutshell speaks for itself😂
Prone?
He was a very large DB
How is this being a douchebag?
I wish he could see how good people are these days who use matched grip
i would love to see how his jaw drops to the floor as he sees a performance by Gavin Harrison, Matt Gartska, or even Mike Portnoy
Grip has nothing to do with proficiency in general.
He could play perfectly with matched grip it’s just the way he moved around the drums in a
big band jazz context traditional grip was more practical. He didn’t really like, or appreciate
rock music, but every rock drummer was influenced by him.
@@lunchbox1553 yes you are right. But buddy was saying that traditional is the RIGHT way to play. The commenter was just pointing out that a lot of drummers nowadays are really proficient with matched sticks. His point being that matched players play just as good as traditional players, not better. So basically what you're saying.
@@lunchbox1553 that's just blatantly incorrect
And then there's Danny Carey switching his grip during songs depending on what he's playing.
Man needs an entire truck for his drum set and rig lol
Lol. Thomas lang has been doing that for over 20 years and would kick Carreys ass.
@@stankaus Lol.
Danny's setup is tiny. Have you seen Portnoys or Terry bozzios???
It's about 10x bigger.
@@dcmastermindfirst9418 yeah i cant wait for the world cup either. Thomas Lang is going to kill Carey
@@bongcrust World Cup?
Saw him twice in the 70’s. He was master class! Still listen to his albums daily.
There is more to life than jazz drumming
Yes, but theres not more to drumming than jazz.
@@dcase20 that idea is clouded and wrong, jazz isnt the godfather of all modern drumming music, more like its cousin. It had some real influence but you cant just say JB and Pearts parts were built off of and jazz influenced. There is a certain independence in playing an instrument and once you try and limit it like this, the styles wont grow and expand into what we know and love today. Buddy Rich was a great drummer but the man was ignorant and nihilistic to think that there is only one proper way to play the drums. Thats like saying EVH learned to tap from goddamn BB king. Its not true, gatekeeping has always been a thing amongst these arrogant jazz drummers and I can’t see them accepting new styles until theyre all dead unfortunately. Great drumming is not cosmetically measured
@@dcase20 that’s an L take if i’ve ever heard one.
@Topjunkie I disagree just like other instruments (guitar, piano, even singing) have different styles and techniques. I’d split it into 3. Classical, jazz, modern. I feel that jazz is very unique. It feels like it’s an in between. It’s not controlled and precise like classical but not intense and uniform like modern styles. This goes for drumming too. Jazz tone and resonance is different from modern drumming. The techniques used are different. What we focus on is different
@Topjunkie & Jazz drummers most definitely cant handle metal!
Blast beats, 250bpm 16ths on hands and feet, ankle motion or swivel, gravity blasts, various stroke figures on kicks, 1st tom to 7th tom mobility around the kit....
How do people always want to compare two completely different genres in music, its beyond me. Some really need to cool their ego!
Buddy Rich is a legend, but just like Maradona was nowhere as good as Messi, on todays standard, same with drummers...
“Jimi Hendrix played his guitar upside down too. That’s why Clapton hated him. “
- Buddy Rich
Sonny T plays left handed bass and guitar on right hand instruments that are still strung for right hand players. He never has a problem finding a guitar on short notice.🤣😂
Jimi also rightfully believed that Terry Kath was a better guitar player than he. Jimi was right. Tanglewood 25/6/4 ( 1970)
@@letsgobrandon5800 no
he was left handed...us lefties are not well understood.
So happy I was taught both match and traditional grips. It all depends on the crowd you’re trying to impress lol
you gotta choose to impress or to play😊
@@northernhemisphere4906 Well, you can play, and 3/10 people might love listening o you play, but sometimes even 3 people can be enough of a crowd to pump anyone up, or, you can impress, as in, make an impression upon, and play such a good show that they remember you forever… sooo, not really sure what that means lol.
Music shouldn't be about trying to impress people
How so? I think most people wouldn't even know or notice which grip a drummer is using.
@@KEVBOYMUSIC You’re taking this way too literally lol. I used to have to play recitals at least once a month back in my teens, and after getting through all the beginners playing for their first time, my teacher and I would come on to play to the crowd.
Often they were bored to tears by then, but sometimes they were in a good mood, and so we would choose which styles to play through, whether it was slow stuff like 6/8 or bossanova, or jazz, disco, rock, etc., and yeah, at a recital, you absolutely want to impress lol.
If you’re thinking I was talking about just being in a band - I definitely was - and that’s what we did for fun.
But thanks for the music ethics lesson anyway lol 🙂👍
AWESOME drummer! A legend in the truest sense of the word.
But a grumpy old man.
Just because you're great at something doesn't mean you always know what you're talking about
@@Ana_crusis I know but in this case he clearly doesn't knos what he is talking about despite being a legend
@@Ana_crusis jesus, khasab. shut up.
Buddy knew what he was talking about.
@@Steven_Snell he really didn't
@@Memu_ He really did.
Buddy Rich at home: “Damn kids! Get off my lawn!”
You try playing Backwoods Sideman and then you are free to cast such a comment.
Music is many things, not only what's going on in Buddy Richs head
Buuuut compare ringo to this lol
@@Hello_there_obi Ringo would have the exact same level of skill if he played trad though
@@chandlermccoy1813 as much as I love ringo I have to say: that is ridiculous
@@5117sebastian It's really not at all... You are madsively overestimating traditional grip. It's not a magic grip that makes you better for no reason 😂 Plus, in the genre the Beatles are playing, Ringo wouldn't even be able to get much boon from traditional grip. He's playing slow rock beats 90% of the time... Maybe you could explain specifically how traditional grip would help him since I seem to be having a hard time understanding where you're coming from?
@@chandlermccoy1813 sorry, I think I misread what you posted before
We all have a time, we all come and go. Thanks Buddy. For everything.
I like how he deliberately tries to not play matched grip around the kit but then realizes at the end he doesn't know what he's talking about since he was fully capable of playing matched grip at the end
Can you imagine his reaction to styles that came AFTER that though? Never say this is the ONLY way something is allowed to be done. Innovation always seems to follow someone saying that nonsense.
Buddy Rich was easily the Greatest Drummer of all time hands down. 🥁 True Greatness
No he was just a pioneer.
A great pioneer yes; but can was please stop with the "greatest ever" labels please!?!
Thank you! ❤
It’s entirely subjective who the greatest drummer is, and there is certainly nobody who is “easily” the greatest drummer of all time
@@suryapanditi3161
It's only one person's opinion. it really doesn't mean all that much, And you don't have to agree
Greatest jazz and big band drummer.
Buddy Rich was a truly humble man .
*Thomas Lang has entered the chat*
Lang destroy Rich and he's played matched for decades now.
🤣🤣
@@dcmastermindfirst9418 I wouldn’t say he could “destroy” Buddy Rich, but he definitely proves him wrong
@@GioGioPietromica425 Good example because he started off using trad grip and now only plays match cos it works better for him.
@@fuzzylogiceire yeah because it’s all about personal preference, you should only do what works for you, that’s all that matters
this is a very calm version of Buddy Rich talking about how to play music... wait until you hear the bus tapes lol 😭😭
I loved the way that he worked and maneuvered the hi hat with traditional grip and the more that I keep practicing, I'm getting more and more comfortable with traditional grip.
One of the greatest moments of my life was meeting Buddy Rich in his touring bus in Ottawa, just a few months before he died. He was very gracious and signed my friend's practice pad.
Later in his career Neil Peart started playing like this
But then switched back to matched grip. He said he couldn't get the power with the Jazz grip.
Stewart Copeland plays powerful traditional grip.
I came here to comment on Peart.. Buddy Rich would have paused for thought after listening to a "Peart" drum solo...
@@skip63 with Rush’s music, i’m not even half surprised. 😂😂😂
Neal switched back and forth and mainly only used traditional grip when actually playing jazz. Neal mainly played matched grip and his crossovers absolutely prove Buddy Rich wrong that you can’t move around the kit as fast.
I like that their illustrative clip of Ginger shows him using traditional grip
Yes and Bingham & Starr also would use this grip. Kind of negates Buddy Rich’s authority as a great drummer since he can’t see past the technical differences to understand the creativity.
Not to mention that in the second clip Buddy is using the match grip he was bitching about.
Stewart Copeland from the Police was KILLING it with a traditional grip in the 70s
Copeland doesn’t play traditional grip. Traditional grip calls for the left index and middle fingers to go under the stick. Copeland holds the stick with only the index finger. Seems like a petty difference, but he’s explained it allows him to play louder. I tried it years ago and can confirm. That unique grip may also explain why Copeland has had so many injuries.
YAWN.
@@andy_travis Alberto Bejarano offers a great explanation... . *your contribution of yawning is useless* ... and Im going to add some video links for people to see Copeland's technique 😁
ruclips.net/video/OQGmaWYC4OE/видео.html
ruclips.net/video/yB65_CVbo-0/видео.html
Weckl played traditional and hit pretty hard.
One of the greatest drummers of all time. Don’t expect him to be one of the greatest people as well.
Not even close
I’ve been a rock drummer for 30 years, and the last few years I’ve been playing in a jazz band.
There was a time when I thought jazz was a joke, that it was easy, that there was nothing to it, that you just played whatever you wanted and be done with it.
Let me say that I got very humbled, and literally had to teach myself some basic things and abated some bad habits.
Rich was before my time, but I’ve got into him because of the magic of RUclips.
Of the rock drummers who have been my hero, probably the closest to him in terms of his explosive speed and timing is Carl Palmer.
Lol. You must be stupid then.
Jazz predates Rock.
Without Jazz there would be no Rock!
Clearly you must be self taught or you'd know that.
The Jazz guys invented the bass drum pedal, hi hat and everything we use in modern Rock and contemporary.
I’m confused?
You’ve been playing drums for 30 years and thought jazz drumming was a joke?
@@Painking59 I know right. Unbelievable.
@@dcmastermindfirst9418
No, not stupid and quite the contrary.
You are clearly a jerk though. And probably quite stupid. Making an enemy of someone who is not your enemy, who was just telling a story about his past ignorance, is a great example of stupidity.
@@TheInnerParty Hahahahahaha
I'm stupid and a jerk???
Says the guy with 30 years drumming experience that had no idea rock drumming literally came from jazz.
You are dumb as shit.
Traditional grip originated when drummer Boys in the military had to play kinda diagonal because of the way their drum hung on them. With a drum kit, holding them that way is kind of anachronistic
YES! WE KNOW!! WE KNOW!!!!
Nice word.
And then Jeff porcaro came along and did his thing and he provided match grip is deadly on the kit
You play the way you play. Too many amazing drummers to name just one
Times have changed dude 😎
Look up the secret recordings of Buddy when he was furious with his band. They’re amazing.
In music there is no right way or wrong way, only different ways, regardless of instrument. There's purists, and then there's those that want to try something different. Without experimentation, music is stifled.
I agree with this mostly. There are wrong ways to play instruments that will give you carpel tunnel
@@captaintacos2179 True, bad form can be detrimental sometimes, but there are those that stretch the physical boundaries to achieve all manner of new techniques and music that were unimaginable before. Were they wrong to do so? Not if they achieved the desired result. Sometimes the body is sacrificed to assuage the mind's desire.
@@captaintacos2179 true, true. but yeah, expressionism is what it is because of implementations of one's style and technique, not "right and wrong"
There's only one rule. If it sounds good, it's good.
It doesn't matter how they play it. It's how catchy they did it.
Buddy Rich against Animal on the muppets in the 1970's. Classic.
I was just going to mention this. First time I saw Buddy Rich was on the Muppet Show when I was like 8 or so (mid 80s). I remember him walking around and "drumming" all over the goofy crap on the walls and stuff.
It isn’t really all that musical though.
If I can remember right Ginger Baker was a switch grip.
A lot of hardcore/metal drummer's also play with a switch grip.
Ginger Baker awesome
Yeah, he even plays that way in this clip. Charlie Watts too (though he wasn't mentioned)
I've tried the traditional grip & have trouble getting some "thump" on the toms..it works fine on the snare.
I believe it's a personal choice.
Playing drums since he was 2. Loved watching him having a drum off with The Animal from the muppets.
“i’m old and not popular anymore and upset about it”
Exactly! Buddy's heyday was 1940 - 1952.
You both completely missed the point of the video and it’s statement. The point is about education and application of traditional technical ability, that guy there was classically trained and learned a discipline, and by F’k could he drum. He could play everything to do with drumming. The others mentioned, were one trick ponies in over-hyped bands that could only do one thing…
@@DARTHMOBIUS he was not classically trained. Buddy Rich was self taught. He never took a drum lesson.
He can play and could play around any one. Him jerry Lewis Johnny Carson and Sammy Davis Jr. Bad asses on the drum . Buddy rich was the best
@@DARTHMOBIUS cope lol, ringo might be one of the best drummers of all time. One trick ponies my ass, you dont come up with come together and ticket to ride by being a one trick pony
That last bit made think that he was going to want to play the Hawaii Five-O theme.
😂😂
Haha, me too! Wait, was that actually him??
He's right, 😊 we do that much with our feet now.
"Back in my day..."
John Bonham was a master percussionist and surpassed every drummer on the planet in his late 20’s and early 30’s.. one could only imagine if Bonzo had lived to Buddy Rich’s age
If Led Zeppelin had Buddy Rich Instead of Bonzo there would be no Led Zeppelin and the only stick he would be holding was a Broom
Bonham did not surpass anyone, the best drummer does not exist, but the most difficult genre to play is jazz
@@richardstorm3283 Jazz is relative Jazz fusion, all music can be as simple and difficult as the player wants, Bass is the easiest because it only has 4 strings? Someone said that to me in Jr high, what you do with your instrument makes it what it is, the genre has nothing to do with it, respectively
@@perfectlygoodslouch5212 I understand your point, but not all music gives you the freedom that jazz has, other genres are very repetitive and somehow do not allow the musician to release his potential, and at the same time the instrumentalist studies only what he plays, that's why I tell you that jazz musicians are much more experienced compared to those of other genres.
@@richardstorm3283 unless your in the Greatful Dead 😆
“Those drummers that were more famous and worth more money than me didn’t know what they were doing, and the people listening to them playing didn’t know what they were listening to.”
- Buddy Rich
Epitome of arrogance
They didn't have more money than him. Most of those guys were badly in debt to their labels
Man’s couldn’t accept they were just better
@@Ouhayottoko better might not be the case. But that still doesn't excuse being such a gatekeeper about it. Music is first and foremost a form of artistic expression - there is a "science" behind it, but to say that there is a right and a wrong way to express yourself (through music) is misguided and petty. Hold the sticks with your buttcheeks if that's what you prefer - just because you can play the same things faster, doesn't make it any more "right".
Buddy didn't realize that the 'POP' record buying public from the late 50's forward, did not really care how good the musicians were, if they like the song. I was a drummer. Buddy could play more in one song than I played in a set, however, I still got complements from fellow musicians and people in the audience.
An absolute legend and a natural born phenomenon behind the drums the likes of which we’ll never see again. The reality of it is he played a lot of matched grip and used it better then anyone.
THE BUS TAPES!!!
"I'm gonna take you outside and I'll show you what it's like!"
Let's see you up there, without all the assistance!
Wadda playing CLAMS?
I’d love to see his reaction to linear drumming
In his day, you learned drums by listening to a record or going to a concert - that's pretty much it. With the internet, learning drums has improved by a billion, and styles have blown up into so much more.
That was also the same for the rock drummers they showed in this video too.
Buddy Rich learnt "on the job" so to say as he was in vaudeville shows since he was a young child. He almost certainly got some instruction from other musicians as was the norm for the day. Formal tuition was widely available at the time although Buddy Rich doesn't seem to have received any though he did teach lessons himself early in his career.
@@turnsufficient4971 Keith Moon was taught to play the drums as part of a local marching band while he was at school and Ginger Baker had lessons from Phil Seaman, one of the most highly regarded drummers in Britain at the time (who used matched grip and imo a much more interesting drummer than Rich) . Ringo & Bonham do seem to be largely self taught though.
I got to see Buddy Rich. He is a legend as a jazz drummer and could hang with any modern day drummer.
imagine how amazed he would be if he saw the skill some modern drummers can develop playing matched grip
Yep like Tony royster Jr. Luke Holland, matt garstka
Ronald bruner jr, mike mitchell
@@sw1tched they would utterly destroy his tiny pp ego
Zach hill would blow him away: matched grip, insane speed, creative as all hell
He was mad because new drummers were coming onto the scene and taking his spotlight
I dunno man, Neil Peart idolized this man, and Peart is widely considered as one of the best, most technically proficient drummer to exist. He's called "The Professor" for a reason 🤷🏻
@@TheOnyxSpy the problem with Buddy is that although he was a brilliant drummer, he was also a complete and total arsehole. Look at his interviews and how he speaks of his contemporaries.
@Topjunkie since when do
The Grammys have anything to do with music?
@@dspsblyuth not music but music popularity.
To be fair, those drummers are overrated
Mitch Mitchell from The Jimi Hendrix Experience actually played a very hybrid style of jazz / psychedelic/ rock.
jimi called him "queen bee" because his arms moved so fast they looked a blur like a buzzing bee.
I love all drummers! 😍💜💜💜
Everyone has their own drumming thechnic.
Seen him live, what a funny talented drummer. 🤟
The world is changing buddy rich everything can't stay the same 💯🤷🏾♂️
New generation Drummer's that are Amazing 💯 like Anderson Pack with Buddy Rich playing that would be Marvelous 💯.
Joey Jordison - hold my beer
Buddy Rich: Please.
I'd like to see buddy play some meshuggah
Underrated comment
I’m sorry I just researched your comment. And had endure that someone pissed in their cornflake music to see a guy doing nothing with a pretty drumset.
Apples and bug shit comparison.
Research buddy, watch his hands disappear. Lead a band built around his playing and learn something,
After that crap I just watched that the least you can do.
This guy will have a fun time watching Danny’s Carrey play 😂😂😂
I got to see him in concert and he did not disappoint!
I've never played traditional grip, in fact I can't. And I can play just fine.
There’s a reason why you almost never hear anyone say that their favorite drummer is buddy rich.
I do…but they are all 60 and above still living in the 70’s
Yeah, because you're not even born yet
@@ratamahatta5306 my age or date of birth has nothing to do with it. Buddy rich is a good drummer but there were so many black drummers who were forgotten despite having massive impacts on jazz. Buddy rich is a household name because he market himself. He was a good drummer but he was not the drumming messiah as many claim. I personally prefer Larnell and Nate Smith.
except ALL the greats ...
What?! Every Baby Boomer-era white guy in America thinks the man farts rainbows. Buddy, Peart and John Bonham are pretty much the holy trinity of drumming for hobbyists and intermediate players.
Meanwhile Matt Garstka plays extremely fast ghost notes and fills with match grip
What a legend that guy is
Buddy's brain would literally explode if he tried to play the things Garstka plays.
@@ryancox5097 Garstka is so fucking good dude. I guess Berklee does things to a mf lmao
@@troopergio Have you seen the PASIC clinic where he plays in quintuple meter, septuple meter, etc? Dude is an ARTIST.
@@ryancox5097 dude yes. Garstka and Joey Jordison are probably my two favorite drummers for their sheer creativity. Matt is one of the most mind-blowing artists I've ever heard
His floor tom sounded great...
Even as a long time guitarist, I never shit on younger guitarists no matter their level. With today’s mass resources and tech that’s easily available for young people to learn, they pick more stuff than what I was able to learn at their age. So many talented young prodigy nowadays
Then Joey Jordison came along and said "hold my keg". Then Clown hit it.
They are/ were all clowns. JJ was ok, but the pop metal Slipknot has made probably limited him.
@@rockyevans1584 joey was a fucking beast, probably one of the fastest and most agressive metal drummers, but i agree that they held him back, the only albums where he truly showed off his ability were the self titled and iowa. so sad he got that stupid disease and they treated him so bad. may he rest in peace
@@eduardozepol2000 yeah seems like the band had some serious high school clique vibes, their singer has the worst douchebaggery to bodyweight ratio I've ever seen. Having said that, I saw em in like 06 with log opening for em and it was a damn fun show. Joey did the upside down dealio. Saw log again the next night and they were headliners in a shitty little bar and they complained about Slipknot putting limiters on all their openers equipment lol that was a fun trip
@@rockyevans1584 to be fair Corey is quite technically impressive vocally
@@tss1473 he's a fine singer, you know well how people tend to bias towards what they enjoy and seeing a prime Randy Blythe singing only from ashes back kind of overshadowed Corey for me. Slipknot was good too, I was just way less stoked on their tunes relative to old log. I think Adler was a notably better drummer than JJ to fwiw
There’s a promotional video of the song “You shook me” by Led Zeppelin where for about 2/3 of the video he uses a traditional grip. Very interesting to see as that’s the only time I’ve seen him use that
I haven't seen enough Zep videos showing enough of Bonzo to know for sure because unfortunately they don't exist. I'm going to review my copy of "The Song Remains The Same" to look into it. Do I actually care much? NO. Was Bonham a great drummer? YES.
all begun with his righthand. Rich and peart like professor of drumming
Watches David Diepold do a Nile cover... Immediately dies
Exactly. Buddy Rich cries out in pain as he strikes you
I think he would be really fascinated by technical death metal
When you're listening to the work of these "new kids" you could not care less on how they hold the sticks, how they pick or if they yell instead of singing
Animal was the only drummer to give Buddy a run for his money
Yes, that was the late Ronnie Verrell who played Animal's drum part. Rich was a hero of Verrell's but Rich did admit the respect was mutual.
Animal's guest appearance with Slayer was one of the band's best shows.
Big band jazz drummers like Buddy Rich tilted the snare away from them to better accentuate rimshots. Watch any footage and you'll see the angle the snare is at (vs modern drummers who angle the snare towards them) - and in that case, yes, matched grip is much harder to play than traditional
Basically, context is important people
Charlie Watts, Billy K, Gadd, Purdy, Phil Collins, plenty of guys that can swing from that generation
Ginger Baker .
You know what’s weird, as only a music listener I have been wondering why some people hold their sticks differently, and I wanted to ask someone but didn’t bc I didn’t want to sound dumb. And then I get this short suggested and I’m just 🤯
Too bad he’s 100% wrong. Many drummers myself included use all different style grips for different playing situations and different textures. JoJo Mayer and Thomas Lang use all grips. There’s never been a right or wrong. Turns out buddy rich was a cocky dickhead
@@nicholass.6829 lol, aye I was just looking for what it was called cause I noticed back then the sticks were held different plus like in marching bands they can hold them traditionally too.
I’m the furthest you could be from a musician so, I just get curious about things sometimes and wanna find the answer lol 😅
The traditional grip evolved from historic marching drums that were slung over one shoulder and couldn't be played with a matched grip, because the drum is almost sideways every time your left foot goes forward. Matched grip is definitely superior from a technique perspective, as it utilizes 3 times as many muscles. In spite of that fact, Buddy could outplay anybody in the world at that time, and that's part of what makes him great.
The problem is is it's not exactly accurate. There are a ton of insane drummers playing match. Buddy just wasn't a match player once in a while he switched to it for a certain section of a song maybe but he wasn't a match grip player normally. So of course he's biased just like he was biased to every kind of music other than jazz and big band for the most part.
Its more of a traditional reason behind the weird grip, match grip is more modern and easier, it can be used to achieve the same notes and time signatures so really its just a preference. But don’t listen to those that tell you match is wrong, like Buddy Rich, they r just scared of the art form progressing past what they were taught
It's funny how he rolls across the toms better than traditional, there's a video of him playing with match grip
I love the Buddy Rich story about how he and Frank Sinatra hated each other and once almost came to blows. Rich was awesome.
Levin Helm played the way Buddy described as "right" and did it while singing 😅