I’ve been farming for black river for a week with no luck, for my blighted corpse build, shame it doesn’t increase the size, this is the first vid I’ve seen about it so thanks
@@hassifzaharin4797 last night i I was in the middle of teleporting and a random single elite werewolf was attacking me, I decided to kill it before teleporting and I couldn’t believe my eyes, black river dropped from it 😂, finally
Not always. Many times you activate it and the skeleton runs all the way across the screen away from the closest mob. It targets randomly. One reason I'm on the fence about it. It's great in most cases, but when you need to burn down one mob in a room full of them, it can be frustrating.
I didn't realize that black river doesn't work with blighted corpse explosion, thank you for pointing that out. Edit: Did some more testing with black river on blighted corpse explosion. It'll still consume 4 corpses and will deal the extra damage, but the area of the explosion stays the same.
Howl is my favourite necro unique, i never played corpse explosion in diablo 3 because i liked the range on corpse lance. Howl brings some of that back
I've read online that black river does work with blighted CE. Multiple people said they've tested it and it seems like while the blighted area doesn't increase in size, the tick damage does scale up accordingly. Personally I'm still in the process of farming for one to test it myself, cuz god is it hard to find answers online I feel like most of the D4 player base has no clue on whether shit works or not cuz there's no way to tell if something is a bug or an actual intended mechanic. On a totally unrelated note, I was going for a thorn summoner necro build and I wanted to know if the AOE thorn aspect applies to minions as well. Spent hours online couldn't find ANYTHING at all so I tested it myself watching countless replays in 0.25 speed until I went low-key insane. I am 95% sure that it does NOT proc on minions, the AOE damage only procs on your character. Not that anybody asked lol but still
It only procs on you however there is a golem morph that allows 30% of your thorns to transfer to the golem I think it's the bone golem. Also there is a legendary trait that allows all of your minions to inherit a percentage of your thorns damage as well. Hope this helps
I never knew this existed until it dropped and I said, "Holy crap this is perfect for my build! Finally a unique I can use!" Never did get a 2nd one, though, although I have 2-4 other uniques of every kind, and 80% of them are useless.
@GingerGamingMentor Have you found that howl from below works with the blighted corpse explosion skill? The howl effects doesn't seem consistent to me from testing as a corpse explosion seems to proc one or the other effect randomly, not both.
Fun to see there is no absolute truth in this. I have both the scythe and the gloves, and I can't figure out if the damage output is higher. One thing I'm sure though, is that I run out of essence pretty often.
Using Black River with a Shadow DoT style build requires a bit more finesse because you want to hit "critical mass," which is enough Blighted Corpse Explosions active on the ground to generate basically infinite corpses. So you'll want to keep an eye out for the first few corpses generating and then detonate them on their own (not a full use of Black River) to get the "corpse engine" running. Then you can stack a bunch of Black River Corpse Explosions. Apparently, Blighted CE can only stack up to 5 times, so Black River let's us effectively circumvent that cap and stack 25+ corpses worth of damage in an ideal scenario.
Does this work with the blood mist aspect that triggers corpse explosion? Was trying to set up a build and this info would help decide whether or not I'd want to use black river.
Droped 2 times (never before) today (wt4 lvl 79). Now I have every unique min 2 times except the f****** deathless visage I need and grind for 😢 Any hints for me?
Could you test and comment if this combination works properly when you dont have corpse explosion on your bars? Specifically using the blood mist corpse explodes. I know the gloves work with it even without CE on tour bars but i dont have the scythe
I feel like there's no reason to use a 2h weapon in d4 unless you're building a fuck ton of "damage to healthy enemies" to try to one shot everyone and wipe bosses to half hp in 1 hit. Which is unfortunate. I did some testing last night and even with a significantly more powerful 2h weapon, a 1h weapon with a shield off hand burned up mobs faster and felt better overall to use. Attack speed is just that critical. Even got CE and minion builds.
The key part about 2h weapons is that it increases the effect of aspects by 100%, so if your build has a powerful effect to lean into the 2h is a great option.
@@chrisjsilveira right but you still need to be able to effectively use your skills unless they are one shotting everything.. there's tons of benefit to using 2h weapons. But the significance of the attack speed differential cannot be overstated. DPS isn't everything and that's especially true for a summon/corpse necro. Having tried both extensively, the build feels dreamy with 1h but like I'm covered in tar when using 2h.
The issue with that item is it consumes a total of 5 corpses per cast and only yields 120% increased damage for it. Idk about you, but that math doesn't add up to me. Corpses are valuable. You use them to Regen your resource and keep your minions healthy and damage boosted. If you run tendrils they're also handy as a defensive tool and to proc cc bonuses. Both our builds generate a lot of corpses. But sucking them up 5 at a time would eat that up pretty quickly leaving you without any to use when needed. And for what, 120ish% increased damage and a bigger aoe? Idk man. Seems like decon fodder to me.
I don't see this as an issue more of a boon. 5 corpses is 5x6 essence instanty Which imo is much better than casting 5 time to get the same. Means you can fill you essence up quicker for your main skill
@@GGMentor didn't know it procced that passive. But even still, trading 5 corpses for 1.2 corpses is still a huge damage reduction. You're literally removing ammunition from the field.
If it does proc the Regen then that might be it's use. A way to do decent damage with corpses for builds that don't use them for anything else that benefit from really bursty Regen. Or any other passives that proc on consumed corpses.
its 120% per aditinal corpse not 120 in total...so 4 aditional corpses are 480 % in this case plus the 100% standard dmg from the first corpse is 580% dmg in total for 5 corpses against 500% for 5 single explosions.
Shit dies so fast with black river after you corpse tendril everything and blast them with CE. No need for resources when there's nothing left to fight
@GGMentor thank you :) been doing the same. I've only gotten 4 of the uniques. 2 of the gloves, the razor chest plate, and the black river. I've found all 4 in NM sigils
Unique items drop in World Tier 3 and 4 for the most part. You won't see them in WT 1 & 2. So complete your campaign get to WT3 and start farming they drop everywhere but are much more rare than legendarys.
False info Howl of below works no matter what. It’s no need to make a skeleton to chase enemies when they’re right on top of the corpse. Same damage no running needed
Howl from below is a lot of fun almost looks like "army of the dead" when you get going, the two combined i would say no.. For me anyways I wouldn't use the two together. Nonetheless it's a neat 2h weapon.
Black river is trash. 1h, so you lose the ability to get 100% increase to an aspect on 2h. Consumes random increased number of corpses. Even if it consumes 4 extra, that is 130% x 4= 520% plus the 100% from first corpse for 620% damage. Not running the black river means those same 5 corpses woyld be 100% × 5= 500%. 620%/500%=1.24 or only 24% increase to potential damage per 5 corpses. However, consuming 5 corpses at once only creates 1 explosion, significantly reducing lucky hit procs down to only 20% of what you would get from detonating the 5 corpses individually. Often, running both uniques is not an option. Howl from below wins everytime. 40% increase vs 24% increase. No brainer. Being able to run 2h with 100% aspect bonus, no brainer.
Black River is a trap, it's not worth the 5 corpses you lose for just 130x damage when you can use the 5 to make 500x damage, also if you use the skill that makes the explosion darkness then it's a mega nerf as the 5 dot pools way out scale the single one. The howl from below now is a sweet item just sort of wish the fear was not on it at times as having the mob run away is annoying but works really well in events as you can just stand spamming corpse explosions and watch them suicide run at the mobs.
@@MrSquiggy1 Corpse Explosion consumes up to 4 additional Corpses around the initial Corpse, dealing [122 - 130]%[x] increased damage and with a [21 - 25]% larger radius per additional Corpse. It does seem to read that but from what I tested (will say I just took it out and spammed corpse explosions on mobs, normally tried to find any of the events that spawn mass mobs.) its damage was way less than the 127% per corpse (that's what my black river was rated at), it seemed to just increase the AOE. Now my build doesn't use minions as I use blood surge, and blood mist, with corpse explosion using the skill that makes it shadow damage and wearing howl from below, and if need be using vines to gather up a bunch for mass death. So based on what I saw (DPS wise.) the main problem was 1. the damage didn't seem to be much higher using max stacks either using just explosion and in fact seemed so much worse when using the shadow skill and 2. it was slower in killing as I would run out of bodies to use, so found it way less spammable. Now my main way of killing is just to run in using mist or just hitting surge to generate a body or 2, then just stand there spamming explosions and surge while the fortifying and life from kills keep me alive. all the while watching everything explode or the screen going black from all the shadow puddles being laid down by the suicide bombers running about while killing everything around me. So what did I find when using black river well using the same tactic getting the first 5 stacks of corpses was nearly impossible (and as stated before I saw no real difference in damage when using the weapon.) it ate the bodies so could not self sustain it's self very well (i would run out of corpses way to quickly.) and if I had ranged mob's and the suicide bomber missed I just wasted many corpses and had to run about trying to make new ones. As for using it with the shadow skill I think it doesn't work at all, it doesn't increase the AOE and the DPS drop was awful.
@@hilowcane hmm seems to work for me, without a shadow tick is about 3k, yeah im low, with black river a tick is about 16k. maybe they stealth fixed it?
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A good reason to use howl from below with it is the +40% corpse explosion damage howl gives
I’ve been farming for black river for a week with no luck, for my blighted corpse build, shame it doesn’t increase the size, this is the first vid I’ve seen about it so thanks
2 Ancestral Black Rivers dropped for me in about an hour at Ruins of Eridu Dungeon. Good luck if you still need it
for me it dropped from butcher and with almost maxed stats at 805 item power
@@hassifzaharin4797 last night i I was in the middle of teleporting and a random single elite werewolf was attacking me, I decided to kill it before teleporting and I couldn’t believe my eyes, black river dropped from it 😂, finally
@@MC-1976MeiI seen your reply and have spent the entire week running this and no luck. I have averaged 4-5 hrs a day on it.
The damage from black river works with though so it’s still a good grab.
Howl works fine close to monsters. The skeleton just instantly explodes so it looks like a regular corpse explosion
Not always. Many times you activate it and the skeleton runs all the way across the screen away from the closest mob. It targets randomly. One reason I'm on the fence about it. It's great in most cases, but when you need to burn down one mob in a room full of them, it can be frustrating.
there are unique scyth weapon for necromancer. not sure how necro use the weapons. with melee? lol
Howl from below also adds damage to the corpse explosion so they're worth using together regardless.
I didn't realize that black river doesn't work with blighted corpse explosion, thank you for pointing that out.
Edit: Did some more testing with black river on blighted corpse explosion. It'll still consume 4 corpses and will deal the extra damage, but the area of the explosion stays the same.
The butcher dropped this for me today. Running bone necro at moment so itll stay in stash for now but happy i got it.
Howl is my favourite necro unique, i never played corpse explosion in diablo 3 because i liked the range on corpse lance. Howl brings some of that back
I've read online that black river does work with blighted CE. Multiple people said they've tested it and it seems like while the blighted area doesn't increase in size, the tick damage does scale up accordingly. Personally I'm still in the process of farming for one to test it myself, cuz god is it hard to find answers online I feel like most of the D4 player base has no clue on whether shit works or not cuz there's no way to tell if something is a bug or an actual intended mechanic.
On a totally unrelated note, I was going for a thorn summoner necro build and I wanted to know if the AOE thorn aspect applies to minions as well. Spent hours online couldn't find ANYTHING at all so I tested it myself watching countless replays in 0.25 speed until I went low-key insane. I am 95% sure that it does NOT proc on minions, the AOE damage only procs on your character. Not that anybody asked lol but still
Did you find one?
It only procs on you however there is a golem morph that allows 30% of your thorns to transfer to the golem I think it's the bone golem. Also there is a legendary trait that allows all of your minions to inherit a percentage of your thorns damage as well. Hope this helps
I know it's a bit late, but Black River has a higher chance of dropping from Duriel and the World Bosses.
If you make the corpse explosion darkness I'd assume that radius would be massive
I found one of these (sacred) at level 64 and it was a blast with the gloves! I am searching for a ancestral now.
Thats awesome, hope i find one soonish because i have the gloves.
Side note, that shirt looks cool with the green screen effect!
As for finding it , I found mine at the hall of the penitent .
Can u do another episode on new black river
Sure, look for it in the next week or so
I never knew this existed until it dropped and I said, "Holy crap this is perfect for my build! Finally a unique I can use!" Never did get a 2nd one, though, although I have 2-4 other uniques of every kind, and 80% of them are useless.
can you tell me plz where it drops?
@@makisdimakis3313 Wish I could, but got it a long time ago and don't remember. Just a random nightmare dungeon.
@@mayssm np ty
i wonder if its gliched on the blighted corpse explosion
I have just started using this item today and it still doesn't increase the radius of blighted corpse explosion unfortunately
@GingerGamingMentor Have you found that howl from below works with the blighted corpse explosion skill? The howl effects doesn't seem consistent to me from testing as a corpse explosion seems to proc one or the other effect randomly, not both.
It explodes too many corpses. I feel better just spamming CE with howl from below but it is a very good item.
Fun to see there is no absolute truth in this. I have both the scythe and the gloves, and I can't figure out if the damage output is higher.
One thing I'm sure though, is that I run out of essence pretty often.
Accidentally quick sold this last night and didn't realize it. Rip
But corpse explosion can spam really quick. I use shadow dot version and 5 individual corpses will produce alot mroe damage than 1 big one.
It’s not 1 big one. It’s 5 explosions. And with fast cast rate the build up of shadow damage over time and stacks and blight, it’s better.
Using Black River with a Shadow DoT style build requires a bit more finesse because you want to hit "critical mass," which is enough Blighted Corpse Explosions active on the ground to generate basically infinite corpses. So you'll want to keep an eye out for the first few corpses generating and then detonate them on their own (not a full use of Black River) to get the "corpse engine" running. Then you can stack a bunch of Black River Corpse Explosions.
Apparently, Blighted CE can only stack up to 5 times, so Black River let's us effectively circumvent that cap and stack 25+ corpses worth of damage in an ideal scenario.
Does this work with the blood mist aspect that triggers corpse explosion? Was trying to set up a build and this info would help decide whether or not I'd want to use black river.
The blood mist aspect works with howl from below
Just got one of these. Havnt had time to test it yet. Anybody know if it works with Blighted CE now?
Man i am 74 and never had one drop and i use darkness body build....and i want to see how well it will work with it.
74 you're a old man lol
@@jessehighley2298 lol got me
I just got lucky and got 2 925 item level black rivers from dureil.
Droped 2 times (never before) today (wt4 lvl 79).
Now I have every unique min 2 times except the f****** deathless visage I need and grind for 😢
Any hints for me?
It just won't drop for me. I have spent this whole week grinding for it and no luck.
I got 2 from Ruins of Eridu, good luck!
only normal dungeon eridu?
My dude where have you found the howls I'm a lvl 71(T4 obv) but haven't seen even 1(gloves nor BR) I have gotten those chests though
Just got this dropped. Lower stats and I am pet build so one handed no good to me.
Thanks m8
You also get faster essence regen with grim harvest
Could you test and comment if this combination works properly when you dont have corpse explosion on your bars? Specifically using the blood mist corpse explodes. I know the gloves work with it even without CE on tour bars but i dont have the scythe
It will trigger as long as you have at least a single point in corpse explosion, either by skill point or from item bonus.
it doesn't seem to work with the shadow damage pool version of corpse explosion for me
No it doesn't I tested it during this video. No noticable increase in size.
Just got a black river
Nice
I feel like there's no reason to use a 2h weapon in d4 unless you're building a fuck ton of "damage to healthy enemies" to try to one shot everyone and wipe bosses to half hp in 1 hit. Which is unfortunate. I did some testing last night and even with a significantly more powerful 2h weapon, a 1h weapon with a shield off hand burned up mobs faster and felt better overall to use. Attack speed is just that critical. Even got CE and minion builds.
The key part about 2h weapons is that it increases the effect of aspects by 100%, so if your build has a powerful effect to lean into the 2h is a great option.
@@chrisjsilveira right but you still need to be able to effectively use your skills unless they are one shotting everything.. there's tons of benefit to using 2h weapons. But the significance of the attack speed differential cannot be overstated. DPS isn't everything and that's especially true for a summon/corpse necro. Having tried both extensively, the build feels dreamy with 1h but like I'm covered in tar when using 2h.
Mine dropped from defeating Kixxarth during the helltide in WT4. I’m lvl 74 if that matters.
Fought it while 54 with 2 other he dropped a yellow lol😂
Does it drops in world tier 3 ?
The issue with that item is it consumes a total of 5 corpses per cast and only yields 120% increased damage for it. Idk about you, but that math doesn't add up to me. Corpses are valuable. You use them to Regen your resource and keep your minions healthy and damage boosted. If you run tendrils they're also handy as a defensive tool and to proc cc bonuses.
Both our builds generate a lot of corpses. But sucking them up 5 at a time would eat that up pretty quickly leaving you without any to use when needed. And for what, 120ish% increased damage and a bigger aoe? Idk man. Seems like decon fodder to me.
I don't see this as an issue more of a boon.
5 corpses is 5x6 essence instanty
Which imo is much better than casting 5 time to get the same.
Means you can fill you essence up quicker for your main skill
@@GGMentor didn't know it procced that passive. But even still, trading 5 corpses for 1.2 corpses is still a huge damage reduction. You're literally removing ammunition from the field.
If it does proc the Regen then that might be it's use. A way to do decent damage with corpses for builds that don't use them for anything else that benefit from really bursty Regen. Or any other passives that proc on consumed corpses.
its 120% per aditinal corpse not 120 in total...so 4 aditional corpses are 480 % in this case plus the 100% standard dmg from the first corpse is 580% dmg in total for 5 corpses against 500% for 5 single explosions.
Shit dies so fast with black river after you corpse tendril everything and blast them with CE. No need for resources when there's nothing left to fight
May I ask, how are you farming for items?
Helltides, dungeons, nightmare Sigils, legion events basically everything
@GGMentor thank you :) been doing the same. I've only gotten 4 of the uniques. 2 of the gloves, the razor chest plate, and the black river. I've found all 4 in NM sigils
Does it only multiply the radius or the damage too?
Both
Does Black River generate Essence at a faster rate than manually exploding one corpse at a time?
yes because it consumes up to 5 corpses
I need that black river
Does black river only drop in Tier 4 ?
Where did you get black river? I keep getting the two handed unique scythe… got it 3 times now. 😢
Random I think
Does black river make a biger blight circle if using that morph? If not poo
did you not watch the video?
How do you get these weapons? Do they just drop like other gear but at a lower %?
Unique items drop in World Tier 3 and 4 for the most part. You won't see them in WT 1 & 2. So complete your campaign get to WT3 and start farming they drop everywhere but are much more rare than legendarys.
@@GGMentor im already to tier 4. I just cant get black river, ring of mendlen, and items like that to drop
False info Howl of below works no matter what. It’s no need to make a skeleton to chase enemies when they’re right on top of the corpse. Same damage no running needed
Howl from below is a lot of fun almost looks like "army of the dead" when you get going, the two combined i would say no.. For me anyways I wouldn't use the two together. Nonetheless it's a neat 2h weapon.
It's a 1-h scythe
@@Kailenrulzu Thank you for the correction :)
Black river is trash.
1h, so you lose the ability to get 100% increase to an aspect on 2h.
Consumes random increased number of corpses. Even if it consumes 4 extra, that is 130% x 4= 520% plus the 100% from first corpse for 620% damage. Not running the black river means those same 5 corpses woyld be 100% × 5= 500%. 620%/500%=1.24 or only 24% increase to potential damage per 5 corpses. However, consuming 5 corpses at once only creates 1 explosion, significantly reducing lucky hit procs down to only 20% of what you would get from detonating the 5 corpses individually.
Often, running both uniques is not an option. Howl from below wins everytime. 40% increase vs 24% increase. No brainer. Being able to run 2h with 100% aspect bonus, no brainer.
Want
Black River is a trap, it's not worth the 5 corpses you lose for just 130x damage when you can use the 5 to make 500x damage, also if you use the skill that makes the explosion darkness then it's a mega nerf as the 5 dot pools way out scale the single one.
The howl from below now is a sweet item just sort of wish the fear was not on it at times as having the mob run away is annoying but works really well in events as you can just stand spamming corpse explosions and watch them suicide run at the mobs.
doesnt it say 130% per aditional corpse consumed? so 4x130=520% plus the 100 normal from the first corpse. 620 is more then 500
@@MrSquiggy1 Corpse Explosion consumes up to 4 additional Corpses around the initial Corpse, dealing [122 - 130]%[x] increased damage and with a [21 - 25]% larger radius per additional Corpse.
It does seem to read that but from what I tested (will say I just took it out and spammed corpse explosions on mobs, normally tried to find any of the events that spawn mass mobs.) its damage was way less than the 127% per corpse (that's what my black river was rated at), it seemed to just increase the AOE.
Now my build doesn't use minions as I use blood surge, and blood mist, with corpse explosion using the skill that makes it shadow damage and wearing howl from below, and if need be using vines to gather up a bunch for mass death.
So based on what I saw (DPS wise.) the main problem was 1. the damage didn't seem to be much higher using max stacks either using just explosion and in fact seemed so much worse when using the shadow skill and 2. it was slower in killing as I would run out of bodies to use, so found it way less spammable.
Now my main way of killing is just to run in using mist or just hitting surge to generate a body or 2, then just stand there spamming explosions and surge while the fortifying and life from kills keep me alive. all the while watching everything explode or the screen going black from all the shadow puddles being laid down by the suicide bombers running about while killing everything around me.
So what did I find when using black river well using the same tactic getting the first 5 stacks of corpses was nearly impossible (and as stated before I saw no real difference in damage when using the weapon.) it ate the bodies so could not self sustain it's self very well (i would run out of corpses way to quickly.) and if I had ranged mob's and the suicide bomber missed I just wasted many corpses and had to run about trying to make new ones. As for using it with the shadow skill I think it doesn't work at all, it doesn't increase the AOE and the DPS drop was awful.
@@hilowcane hmm seems to work for me, without a shadow tick is about 3k, yeah im low, with black river a tick is about 16k. maybe they stealth fixed it?
Stuff like this makes me wish there were target dummies in the game