Fun fact: the Barcode Battler was referenced in _Kamen Rider Ex-Aid_ in the title of the “Barcode Warrior Decade” Legend Rider Gashat. The Gashat’s name is also a reference to the CodeWarrior IDE software used for the PS1, PS2, DreamCast, GameCube, Wii and DS.
I loved playing the Intellivision as a child. Loved the baseball game. A bit of a pain having to swap out the plastic covers for the "phone pad." But better than slapping a pice of plastic on your TV. Yes I am old, my first game system was pong that my parents had at the time.😆 And loved the video.
Failed "comebacks" in combination with "classic console companies" makes this rather specific. We've already got the Hypserscan in the thumbnail, I can assume an Atari system... whilst I wouldn't consider the Dreamcast a failure it unfortunately wasn't enough to keep Sega in the game, so that could be considered a failed comeback. Thinking about it, this specific title suddenly becomes broader than I expected. I look forward to what five systems are highlighted. 1:10 - Yeah, Atari is doing rather well. I've heard amazing things about their 50th Anniversary Collection game as well. 1:56 - I never knew Hyperscan adverts even existed but I'm pleased to discover it through this video. That as was surprisingly hilarious. 3:57 - Thinking about it, the Hyperscan was like an incredibly early NFC figure system. It was both too early for the idea and not a great idea to base the entire console around. Well, it could have worked somewhat if the console could play games at anything close to decent capability. 5:30 - Again, always enjoy learning things about Epoch. 8:30 - The brief history on Epoch's gaming history was nice and I've learned some new things. The Mario card packs for the Bardcode Battler is certainly a surprise and it's neat learning that their Game Pocket used the same hardware as the Casettevision. 9:43 - It took me a few seconds to realise what you meant by Magnavox CD-i. I do recall one of the Magnavox consoles being renamed as a Phillips system; did the Magnavox company get absorbed by Phillips at some point? I'm aware of the connection but my memory of it is hazy. Happy to see I get my answer at 10:55. 15:45 - This would have a surprise to me just a month ago, but I just so happened to stumble upon an Atari Jaguar RUclipsr who is also a big fan of the Nuon. The fact that the Jaguar and the Nuon were ever connected was a huge shock! That said, the amount of gaming history Samsung had was quite a surprise. I was familiar with their 3DO, Mega Drive and MSX involvement but not the amount of other systems they had Korean versions of. 17:04 - Of course Doom would be one of those games; that thing is everywhere. 17:58 - I do remember the tragedy of the Coleco Chameleon. I had no prior history with Coleco but I loved the console idea. I'm glad the Evercade Vs came about and has been a fantastic console. 20:12 - They were so confident with their clear case photo as proof that their console was legit... only for it to be used as definitive proof that they had lied. This was a really wild tale of events.
Back in the late 2000s Sega was secretly developing an 8th generation console codenamed "Ring Edge" and were planning on breaking back into the hardware market in late 2011; beating Nintendo to the punch by a year and Sony and Microsoft by two years. It turned out that they started too late and would not be able to have it in stores until mid-late 2013...the same time as PS4 and Xbone. It was deemed a lost cause after that because without having the head start there was no way they could compete.
@@Redhotsmasher yh, they're mistakenly talking about the "RingEdge" arcade hardware.. for some reason people think that RingEdge is a unreleased new system. The pictures & the official releases by Sega show it is arcade hardware
They should’ve gone through with it. Getting in ahead of the game didn’t work with Saturn or dreamcast, who knows, maybe taking more time with development and putting out a superior product than the competition, instead of an inferior earlier, might’ve worked
If I remember correctly Mattel also got in trouble for the RFID technology like a lot of companies did, it was a copywriter tech. By a guy named Charles Walton.
I still have and love my hyper scan. I think everyone that has issues scanning cards just didn't learn how it's done and as far as it being an issue during game play very rarely if at all does it make you do it during game play unless it's paused or during a game menu. Sadly it's starting to become a collectors item now that the prices for everything on it other than the X-Men set are skyrocketing
I never saw that Hyperscan commercial when I (Jeff) worked at Mattel. I'm sure we put it up on the Website, but I don't remember it at all. I must have blocked it out. I remember working on some download tech, and testing some games with Jonathan, the product manager for the Hyperscan, but I have blocked out much of that time to help with my mental health! =) It had potential, but they were not ready to support it properly. The original hardware was very good, but it was released as hampered with a single speed CD ROM drive. I still have 100's of those RFID tokens.
Mostly just funny. People mistake "old" with "simple" and think you can just magically do it all with FPGAs. They don't realize everything that went into designing those consoles
Loads of people would have liked CDi but the hardware was way too expensive for the games they had. Sadly it wasn't really all that powerful and it wasn't really capable of hosting any of the big hitters, even if a publisher had been willing to bring them to the platform.
Oh we knew about th CDi, I had a rich friend who had one, he lived in th County. When he found out it got discontinued we took it outside to his cornfield behind his house, took it out about 20ft about 7 meters and shot it with a shotgun.
@@thelairdslair I meant the systems / computers form Japan / Euro Segas and the MSX computers - would be cool to have in original packaging to put on the shelf.
I watched this video slightly distracted (sorry!) and had to rewind and watch it a second time because I thought I must have missed the Amico part somehow.
yeah i did own one of the failed consoles. it was the sega Dreamcast. they never bounced back after the 32x and unfortunately didnt last long when the Dreamcast came out. it was a hard hit for me as a young man.
Pretty sure the hyper scan was just unlocking content, it was not actually loading additional content from the rfid. All the info is on the disc, then the cards are keys.
Yeah it looks a bit weird, for some reason the gif is playing quicker than it should do, it wasn't like that when I found it online. It's to match me talking about the Retro VGS imploding, nothing to do with Frogger lol
What happened to Mike Kennedy aka SoCalMike the creator of Coleco Chameleon when he was disappear in public and never seen him again? Did Mike Kennedy fled the country to avoid court prosecution?🤔
With its card collecting/scanning gimmick Hyperscan could've been a novel fad at least, but it's such a shoddy system. I can't believe it went to market in such an unpolished state.
I had one too.. but I actually liked it. The 1 player modes not bad if you see past the crude interface. Got thru it and about halfway into the boss cards. Even discovered a second password screen undocumented.
I got the tvjack4000 in blue last week for a steal of a price. So low I had to make an offer, six boxed games too....just get it out of here or it's trash...what a 96 year old woman
Note , as an non native english I often use subtitles for english speaking content (when I'm tired my brain is lazy 😂) . And I don't know if it is a joke , but with the hyperscan commercial it subtitled "hyperscam" 😂😂 can't stop laughing
17:04 ....ok i was just wrapping my head around the fact that DOOM got a port to this thing (unsurprising but still something i didnt know existed) when i noticed Yaroze on the right their and my head nearly exploded You mean as in Playstation Demo disk Yaroze?
The hyperscan was weird. It was a cheap piece of shit in the world of plug in play bootlegs that atleast had some thought and care put into it. That one person was shot point blank out back of their office after the console failed. Then he crawled back in so they shot him again and burnt the office down for the insurance policy.
@@thelairdslair It's a great mag. It's a shame it's gone. To me, it seemed a little more polished than "Old School Gamer" and more affordable than "Retro Games". While I have your ear, if you're ever pressed for ideas, I'd love to learn about the history of crane/claw games.
😲 The Game Gavel guy did the Coleco thing!? I was a friend of his in the early 2000s online and he seemed like a good guy. I am assuming you came across his pc-engine forum posts? That is crazy I never realized it is the same guy. What is the enigma part about him? I really want to know, I wish you elaborated on this as I might be able to add earlier insight.
@@thelairdslair omg, I will say in short he was naive but took feedback from the retro gaming community. I don't know HOW I never connected him to the pc-engine forum until your video. I probably stopped being active there in 2009? Game Gavel was the BEST place to buy and sell loose carts after he opened it. I have a few boxes of Famicom games from it and a few more of pc-engine and SNES. I can speculate that his heart was in the right place when it came to the console he tried to make, but honestly I would have never thought he could pull that off. He just wasn't hardware savvy. Man, it's crazy how I followed that console. I was very critical of it online at every turn...but honestly names I have a hell of a time with so I never made the connection. I feel bad about that now, I don't think he deserved my criticism now that I know why the guy behind it was. If you read this comment man, I'm sorry.
hahaha I completely forgot I actually own a Hyper Scan console, I'm glad I have this peice of shiit in my collection, I bought it kuz it's not only gaming history but it's one of those things that i found out aboot it I just have to own one hahaha
I'm not sure the hyperscan should count. Just because they refer to it as such in the commercial. You would not call the Tiger Electronics Handheld Games as each being hand-held video game consoles okay now I'm seeing a pattern you are counting things like that. Well why don't you count the memory card for the Dreamcast as a hand-held console oh and the tomagochi and the original Digimon. Well for me I personally my opinion think when the hardware has captive software only definitely should not count. I'm not going to act like there is no justification to say what should and shouldn't be each criterion and how many criteria are required to meet what definition of a videogame console. I do think that each list should have a consistent definition. I would propose the software of the game being independent of the system is a strictly necessary qualification. Looser definitions I think have merit despite being a bit too exclusive as criteria would be things like: a relative majority of the games are produced by 3rd party developers, formatting prevents unintentional cross platform play without being ported, the hardware has a primarily recreational intent, And a particularly contentious one maybe I think the hyperscan should be excluded for other reasons too but this one alone would be a DQ here is not having having a reliance on mixed media game play I say this is extra dogmatic of a criterion because unambiguously yes a console platforms utilize these elements for certain games things like totems, overlays, external scavenger hunting with information being included if it is information that can't be considered common knowledge and isn't in the game itself so not only do I think it a DQ to need a bottle cap password or mechanical decoder but also DQ for needing to call hotlines. While this definition of console disqualifies situations that don't actually exist I included such things on the extremely unlikely chance that in the near future new things hits the market.
That wasn't a comeback though, NEC didn't stop making consoles PC Engine > SuperGrafx > PC-FX. I did included the SuperGrafx in my failed upgrades video: ruclips.net/video/VNr1HQd3iZI/видео.html
Fun fact: the Barcode Battler was referenced in _Kamen Rider Ex-Aid_ in the title of the “Barcode Warrior Decade” Legend Rider Gashat. The Gashat’s name is also a reference to the CodeWarrior IDE software used for the PS1, PS2, DreamCast, GameCube, Wii and DS.
The Hyperscan is garbage, but it’s at least garbage that came out and was sold at retail, which the Amico can’t say and never will.
Ouch!
the toys the company made likely forced them to be carried by those retailers…either carry the ststem if they weren’t getting the newest Barbies
all facts
Hyperscan was actually a really cool concept, just executed very poorly.
Um… I think it may have been better to have never hit the shelves
I loved playing the Intellivision as a child. Loved the baseball game. A bit of a pain having to swap out the plastic covers for the "phone pad." But better than slapping a pice of plastic on your TV. Yes I am old, my first game system was pong that my parents had at the time.😆 And loved the video.
Failed "comebacks" in combination with "classic console companies" makes this rather specific. We've already got the Hypserscan in the thumbnail, I can assume an Atari system... whilst I wouldn't consider the Dreamcast a failure it unfortunately wasn't enough to keep Sega in the game, so that could be considered a failed comeback. Thinking about it, this specific title suddenly becomes broader than I expected. I look forward to what five systems are highlighted.
1:10 - Yeah, Atari is doing rather well. I've heard amazing things about their 50th Anniversary Collection game as well.
1:56 - I never knew Hyperscan adverts even existed but I'm pleased to discover it through this video. That as was surprisingly hilarious.
3:57 - Thinking about it, the Hyperscan was like an incredibly early NFC figure system. It was both too early for the idea and not a great idea to base the entire console around. Well, it could have worked somewhat if the console could play games at anything close to decent capability.
5:30 - Again, always enjoy learning things about Epoch.
8:30 - The brief history on Epoch's gaming history was nice and I've learned some new things. The Mario card packs for the Bardcode Battler is certainly a surprise and it's neat learning that their Game Pocket used the same hardware as the Casettevision.
9:43 - It took me a few seconds to realise what you meant by Magnavox CD-i. I do recall one of the Magnavox consoles being renamed as a Phillips system; did the Magnavox company get absorbed by Phillips at some point? I'm aware of the connection but my memory of it is hazy. Happy to see I get my answer at 10:55.
15:45 - This would have a surprise to me just a month ago, but I just so happened to stumble upon an Atari Jaguar RUclipsr who is also a big fan of the Nuon. The fact that the Jaguar and the Nuon were ever connected was a huge shock! That said, the amount of gaming history Samsung had was quite a surprise. I was familiar with their 3DO, Mega Drive and MSX involvement but not the amount of other systems they had Korean versions of.
17:04 - Of course Doom would be one of those games; that thing is everywhere.
17:58 - I do remember the tragedy of the Coleco Chameleon. I had no prior history with Coleco but I loved the console idea. I'm glad the Evercade Vs came about and has been a fantastic console.
20:12 - They were so confident with their clear case photo as proof that their console was legit... only for it to be used as definitive proof that they had lied. This was a really wild tale of events.
Nuon Doom is just the PC version converted to run in Linux, which was also ported over to the Nuon.
Back in the late 2000s Sega was secretly developing an 8th generation console codenamed "Ring Edge" and were planning on breaking back into the hardware market in late 2011; beating Nintendo to the punch by a year and Sony and Microsoft by two years. It turned out that they started too late and would not be able to have it in stores until mid-late 2013...the same time as PS4 and Xbone. It was deemed a lost cause after that because without having the head start there was no way they could compete.
Any relation to the Sega RingEdge arcade board?
Modern sega in a nutshell. Managed by money people, not tech people.
@@Redhotsmasher yh, they're mistakenly talking about the "RingEdge" arcade hardware.. for some reason people think that RingEdge is a unreleased new system.
The pictures & the official releases by Sega show it is arcade hardware
They should’ve gone through with it. Getting in ahead of the game didn’t work with Saturn or dreamcast, who knows, maybe taking more time with development and putting out a superior product than the competition, instead of an inferior earlier, might’ve worked
If I remember correctly Mattel also got in trouble for the RFID technology like a lot of companies did, it was a copywriter tech. By a guy named Charles Walton.
I always thought that HyperSCAM would have been much more appropriate as a name! 😂
I remember buying the barcode battler thing on a flea market, used it for a few days and it was pretty useable.
I still have and love my hyper scan. I think everyone that has issues scanning cards just didn't learn how it's done and as far as it being an issue during game play very rarely if at all does it make you do it during game play unless it's paused or during a game menu. Sadly it's starting to become a collectors item now that the prices for everything on it other than the X-Men set are skyrocketing
I never saw that Hyperscan commercial when I (Jeff) worked at Mattel. I'm sure we put it up on the Website, but I don't remember it at all. I must have blocked it out. I remember working on some download tech, and testing some games with Jonathan, the product manager for the Hyperscan, but I have blocked out much of that time to help with my mental health! =) It had potential, but they were not ready to support it properly. The original hardware was very good, but it was released as hampered with a single speed CD ROM drive. I still have 100's of those RFID tokens.
Very interesting, most people seem to agree it was a great idea that was very badly executed.
Digimon is forever associated with scanning barcodes at the store for me, no matter how much other media they produced
The chameleon was tragic and funny at the same time
Mostly just funny. People mistake "old" with "simple" and think you can just magically do it all with FPGAs. They don't realize everything that went into designing those consoles
Cool video ...very good selection of retro failures indeed
When you mentioned cartridges for a modern system, I knew next thing would be " it was a scam " 😂
I've said it time and again; if it wasn't for the rise and fall of the CDi, we wouldn't have RUclips Poop.
eh luigi
Sorry @@beyondobscure, I can't give credit. Come back when your a little MMMmmm, richer!
I loved the hyperscan idea.
Skylanders filled this itch years later.
it did but it to failed 5 years later
@@mattalan6618 When you have a run in making a massive amount of money and it only starts to decline 5 years later I'd hardly call that a fail.
I remember the odyssey 2… a friend of mine had one waaay back in 1982 I think 💭.
I worked in a video game store when the CD-I came out. Nobody wanted it. It was literally gathering dust on the shelf.
Loads of people would have liked CDi but the hardware was way too expensive for the games they had.
Sadly it wasn't really all that powerful and it wasn't really capable of hosting any of the big hitters, even if a publisher had been willing to bring them to the platform.
Always enjoy the history lesson, professor. For real
The main takeaway I got from this video is that clear Jaguar cases exist and holy shit I want one
Oh we knew about th CDi, I had a rich friend who had one, he lived in th County. When he found out it got discontinued we took it outside to his cornfield behind his house, took it out about 20ft about 7 meters and shot it with a shotgun.
Wow, that's a bit weird!
Yeh man, we're a little crazy with guns here, we will take anything outside and shoot it, THEN we throw it in the trash lol.
the thumbnail looks like a particularly interactive blood pressure cuff.
The Japenese Epoch games looked really decent... I am a collector and was thinking I will never find the euro systems and games here in USA.
Well, all of the 5 systems featured here were released in North America.
@@thelairdslair I meant the systems / computers form Japan / Euro Segas and the MSX computers - would be cool to have in original packaging to put on the shelf.
Great idea for a video, thanks!
I don't want the Channel F to make a comeback, just that underutilized controller.
There was a TON of potential there that barely even got scratched.
The hyperscan looks like something you can find in strange toystores in Thailand full of rip-offs
I remember seeing the ben 10 game for the hyperscan on cartoon Network during commercial breaks
WHAT??? No AMICO?? You know that shit is a dead scam as well! Would have been a great follow up story after the Coleco Chameleon!
As I said to another person, I don't think the Amico story is over yet and that needs a video of its own!
@TheLairdsLair oh its over. But, you could leave the end of the video "open" if something develops. In the mean time you have a TON of content to use
I watched this video slightly distracted (sorry!) and had to rewind and watch it a second time because I thought I must have missed the Amico part somehow.
It's not been proven to be a scam, regardless of what NES fanboys tell you. 😆
The cassette vision looked great graphically for the time.
i owned a barcode battler…i got it because it was dirt cheap so someone bought it and it was donated it to a toy drive where i was the lucky recipient
yeah i did own one of the failed consoles. it was the sega Dreamcast. they never bounced back after the 32x and unfortunately didnt last long when the Dreamcast came out. it was a hard hit for me as a young man.
My God why the Hell didn't they ship the Cassette Vision to the states?? I,m sure it would have cost alot, but that thing kills the Atari
Pretty sure the hyper scan was just unlocking content, it was not actually loading additional content from the rfid. All the info is on the disc, then the cards are keys.
Correct!
What the hell is that thing at the 19:07 mark during Frogger? Lol.
A planet imploding
@@thelairdslair lol oh ok. It kinda looked like an organ or something. Just seemed odd mixed with Frogger.
Yeah it looks a bit weird, for some reason the gif is playing quicker than it should do, it wasn't like that when I found it online. It's to match me talking about the Retro VGS imploding, nothing to do with Frogger lol
@@thelairdslair oh ok. I gotcha. Lol. Yeah it did seem out of place 🤣 lol. I thought it was funny
What happened to Mike Kennedy aka SoCalMike the creator of Coleco Chameleon when he was disappear in public and never seen him again? Did Mike Kennedy fled the country to avoid court prosecution?🤔
Man...they would freakin squirt out a port of DOOM on anything right lol....
With its card collecting/scanning gimmick Hyperscan could've been a novel fad at least, but it's such a shoddy system. I can't believe it went to market in such an unpolished state.
Yeah, I agree!
@@thelairdslair my nephew had one and he couldnt get the card to scan half the time. i tried and i couldnt get them to work either
That hyperscan controller looks almost like the titan sub controller, perhaps a premonition.
I had no idea about the barcode battler links.....
I had one- it was terrible!
I had one too.. but I actually liked it. The 1 player modes not bad if you see past the crude interface. Got thru it and about halfway into the boss cards. Even discovered a second password screen undocumented.
Who in their right mind would think that making something in Jaguar case would be a good Idea?
I got the tvjack4000 in blue last week for a steal of a price. So low I had to make an offer, six boxed games too....just get it out of here or it's trash...what a 96 year old woman
Note , as an non native english I often use subtitles for english speaking content (when I'm tired my brain is lazy 😂) . And I don't know if it is a joke , but with the hyperscan commercial it subtitled "hyperscam" 😂😂 can't stop laughing
Subtitles are auto generated, so no, not a joke! Very funny though!
I fell like the hyperrscan idea had potential, but it was horribly executed.
Surprised someone didn’t port Doom to the Hyperscan
*Im gonna collect all these old systems , our old technology’s are disappearing fast*
I got the intellevision sitting beside me with a box of games. im only 27 but what fun it can be with a few friends
17:04 ....ok i was just wrapping my head around the fact that DOOM got a port to this thing (unsurprising but still something i didnt know existed) when i noticed Yaroze on the right their and my head nearly exploded
You mean as in Playstation Demo disk Yaroze?
The Nuon has its own homebrew dev tools, similar to the PS1 and many other systems for that matter, that's how stuff like Doom was ported over.
Great video
i always thought the idea of hyperscans was really fucking cool. After watching this, i still do haaha
The hyperscan was weird. It was a cheap piece of shit in the world of plug in play bootlegs that atleast had some thought and care put into it. That one person was shot point blank out back of their office after the console failed. Then he crawled back in so they shot him again and burnt the office down for the insurance policy.
I have a barcode battler and a CDi still
I enjoyed the "RETRO" magazine, and that's all I have to say about that.
I wrote for it!
@@thelairdslair It's a great mag. It's a shame it's gone. To me, it seemed a little more polished than "Old School Gamer" and more affordable than "Retro Games". While I have your ear, if you're ever pressed for ideas, I'd love to learn about the history of crane/claw games.
I wrote for OSG briefly too, but like RETRO they didn't like paying people and also cut important parts of my article without telling me.
😲 The Game Gavel guy did the Coleco thing!? I was a friend of his in the early 2000s online and he seemed like a good guy. I am assuming you came across his pc-engine forum posts? That is crazy I never realized it is the same guy. What is the enigma part about him? I really want to know, I wish you elaborated on this as I might be able to add earlier insight.
Honestly, he would need a whole video just dedicated to him!
@@thelairdslair omg, I will say in short he was naive but took feedback from the retro gaming community. I don't know HOW I never connected him to the pc-engine forum until your video. I probably stopped being active there in 2009? Game Gavel was the BEST place to buy and sell loose carts after he opened it. I have a few boxes of Famicom games from it and a few more of pc-engine and SNES.
I can speculate that his heart was in the right place when it came to the console he tried to make, but honestly I would have never thought he could pull that off. He just wasn't hardware savvy.
Man, it's crazy how I followed that console. I was very critical of it online at every turn...but honestly names I have a hell of a time with so I never made the connection. I feel bad about that now, I don't think he deserved my criticism now that I know why the guy behind it was. If you read this comment man, I'm sorry.
I don't feel the Coleco Cameleon should count since it was basically a scam and never a real product. The Amiga CD-32 might be one to consider.
The CD32 wasn't a comeback console though, it followed on from the CDTV and C64GS and Commodore hadn't gone anywhere to come back.
I wish Atari would stop flogging the 2600 horse, their 8 bit computer range, ST and other systems could do with some love.
Wish to see the 5 failed 2000s handheld consoles on this channel.
I don't really cover stuff that modern, so it's very unlikely,
I've always loved your into music. Where does it come from?
It's the intro to the Atari Lynx port of STUN Runner.
I have the hyperscan and all the games
HOLD THE PHONE! Was that a version of Doom on the Samsung console?
Kinda, Nuon Doom is just the PC version converted to run in Linux, which was also ported over to the Nuon.
Hyperscan the original micro transaction.
Loose a card, loose a game, great idea
Intellivision amico next please
I had a hyperscan
My commiserations!
Awesome thanks for the great work Sir
EPOCH could have beat Nintendo, and Sega to the States, and if not won the war would have at least a competitor.
That is like saying the RCA Studio II could have beaten the PS2 and Xbox 360 if they had just rereleased it.
I remember hearing about the Retro VGS/Coleco Cameleon saga through the NES Punk's Completely Unnecessary Podcast.
So we're ignoring the elephant in the room on the video's subject?
(Intellivision Amico)
See the other comments!
so nothing about the Intellivision Amico?
I don't feel like that story is finished yet and it would need a video of its very own.
@@thelairdslair your right , whole amico thing is saga at this point.
Has it been cancelled yet? Nope! 😊
hahaha I completely forgot I actually own a Hyper Scan console, I'm glad I have this peice of shiit in my collection, I bought it kuz it's not only gaming history but it's one of those things that i found out aboot it I just have to own one hahaha
I certainly hope that piece of shit didn't cost you much money cause it isn't worth much to begin with.
Espero que el sw no sea una golondrina en invierno y sea el inicio de un cambio de paradigma. Capcom aprendió. Pero durará?
I'm not sure the hyperscan should count. Just because they refer to it as such in the commercial. You would not call the Tiger Electronics Handheld Games as each being hand-held video game consoles okay now I'm seeing a pattern you are counting things like that. Well why don't you count the memory card for the Dreamcast as a hand-held console oh and the tomagochi and the original Digimon. Well for me I personally my opinion think when the hardware has captive software only definitely should not count. I'm not going to act like there is no justification to say what should and shouldn't be each criterion and how many criteria are required to meet what definition of a videogame console. I do think that each list should have a consistent definition. I would propose the software of the game being independent of the system is a strictly necessary qualification. Looser definitions I think have merit despite being a bit too exclusive as criteria would be things like: a relative majority of the games are produced by 3rd party developers, formatting prevents unintentional cross platform play without being ported, the hardware has a primarily recreational intent,
And a particularly contentious one maybe I think the hyperscan should be excluded for other reasons too but this one alone would be a DQ here is not having having a reliance on mixed media game play I say this is extra dogmatic of a criterion because unambiguously yes a console platforms utilize these elements for certain games things like totems, overlays, external scavenger hunting with information being included if it is information that can't be considered common knowledge and isn't in the game itself so not only do I think it a DQ to need a bottle cap password or mechanical decoder but also DQ for needing to call hotlines.
While this definition of console disqualifies situations that don't actually exist I included such things on the extremely unlikely chance that in the near future new things hits the market.
The Hyperscan has a CD-ROM drive in it, it's games aren't built-in, of course it's a console!
The Intellivision disc controllers weren't "innovative." They were absolute garbage and made the system unplayable.
Innovative doesn't automatically mean good . . . . .
@@thelairdslair The Atari 5200 controllers were even more innovative, but were unfortunately designed by accountants instead of engineers.
Not really, analogue controllers had been around since the 70s.
If there was a second part, include NEC's and Hudson Soft's PC-FX.
That wasn't a comeback though, NEC didn't stop making consoles PC Engine > SuperGrafx > PC-FX.
I did included the SuperGrafx in my failed upgrades video:
ruclips.net/video/VNr1HQd3iZI/видео.html
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