The Biggest SCAM in Pest Control - Termite Bait Stations
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- Опубликовано: 14 май 2024
- This video is about termite bait stations and why they are a scam.
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Thanks for watching everyone! Let me know your experience with Liquids Vs Baits in the comments down below... I am looking forward to the debates :)
Please let me know if you have any questions about what I discussed
-Dan
I got a quote for 1200. I bought a huge Taurus sc and dug around my house myself!!!! 10 years of protection! $100.00 bucks and done
Not really.
YES!!! Very Nice. It's not rocket science
You don't have to have a tent over your house to kill termites?
Company I work for we do both when the client has issues with termites and by itself as a preventative service. I have seen 0 issues with the homes that have these alone as a preventative service.
Termites as a whole species are dying because of how effective Termidor is and it’s only been out for 2 decades
Bait stations are a revenue maker your customers only need the liquid tbh
@@Man_in_a_Gucci_Suitdude. That is actual rubbish.
@@jonathanhutchinson6669look up insect populations and their decline if you don’t believe me
Termites on the other hand are not public knowledge we use to do 100+ treatments per year now we do a dozen or so per year
They’re population is clearly declining atleast in suburban areas
@DBFOutdoors Yea they work over time! I never said they didnt work over time, pest companies just charge sooo much for them and they don't work quickly
@@DanTheBugMan I do agree $200-400 for a one time service a year is a lot
There is so much science and studies that back up stations. The problem is the when they aren’t checked correctly. Those stations destroy the entire colony.
Just watched the whole video, and from my memory, he never said that the bait stations didn’t work. He was saying that there is no guarantee WHEN THEY will work, In which the official statement said it takes “up to a year” for bait stations versus “up to 30 days” for the liquid method.
It seemed he was more against the fact that companies offering the bait stations make you feel as if you must renew the subscription (re bait) in order for you to be free. But even then, he said it’s not a guarantee because of how long it can take to work.
Exactly, they can also transfer the bait to colony in distances closer to 400 feet.
Entomologist believes that nymphs may survive a Termindor treatment even though all the adult termites are dead
@MMCS87 I never said they didn't work... it just takes so long
@MMCS87 Yes I agree! They will destroy the colony when the termites get to them. That's why it's important to come in contact with the colony as quickly as possible. Do you use the above ground bait stations?
Too bad they don't really work .I've seen them fail many times
Look at us a bunch of f’kn nerds getting mad over the best way to kill bugs😂 I
Man said “reoccurring revenue is the best way to have a successful business” then turned around and said “sentricon is the worst and should be illegal” because they want reoccurring revenue from him…
@Campbish10 Hahaha Shhhhhh they are different!! Sentricon is recurring revenue from minimal service
He is correct on both accounts
@DanTheBugMan but with liquid you still have recurring revenue from the yearly warranty where you only do an inspection vs bait where they do an inspection and check the stations for activity to see if the bait needs to be replaced.
Hey I have neighbors use them but end up breaking while installing or run them over with lawnmower. Just for experimenting purposes I placed pieces of wood on the ground around my house. Within several weeks in spring/summer termites were on underside eating away.
Interesting video with good points. I've watched a lot of your videos, and a couple years ago you indicated that either bait stations or liquid were pretty equal alternatives. I have a Florida home that is 20 ' from a pond. 10 years ago it had a perimeter treatment with fipronil. Instead of retreating, A few months ago I self installed BASF bait stations around my home, thinking it was a better environmental option that would work just as well, and where I could personally see activity & results. . Wondering what to do now. Any thoughts would be appreciated.
First of all, thanks so much for watching both the videos! :) and secondly, yes they really do both work in theory. I have since learned how long it takes for the bait stations to fully provide coverage for your home so I have had a changing opinion over the years
I'm doing a termite treatment tomorrow that has active termites. Those bait stations failed to do the job. Needless to say, the company that put those in will not be returning.
Very Nice!!! :)
Can you use the Taurus SC for insects outside around the house?
I can't find that department of agriculture litigation document only documents from the NC code .. Can you please reference the Dept of Agriculture document that states the 12 months ands and the 30 days you reference ?
So is liquid 100 percent effective ?
If I dont put enough chemical due to measurement error less than 10 lineal feet should I be concerned?
Any thoughts on Navigator sc termiticide? Bought some and realized there’s also Termidor.
I don't doubt that liquid treatments work, but you give off such strong vibes that tell people that your beef with Sentricon is based on personal reasons
I understand where you’re coming from…but I do termite inspections for a living and I find a lot more termites in homes with liquid treatment than I do baiting systems. (Personally)
Also a lot of professional companies will use an above ground stations for active infestations.
I do disagree with this video…but I see where you’re coming from.
@@Man_in_a_Gucci_Suit
A lot of companies don’t use Termidor. Even if they do, there is no guarantee they are going to mix it properly to the right ratio, or apply it properly throughout the entire home. It’s VERY easy to cut corners, and almost impossible for an ignorant customer to detect.
@@Man_in_a_Gucci_Suit I agree! But, Not everyone hires a mom and Pop,most people don’t know any better. and I’m not talking about them anyway. I’m talking about big companies with huge advertisements that cut corners and lowball. Sadly, where I am, that is the prevailing business practice..with not all, but a lot of termite treatments.
Thanks for your honesty! Yes you have to use an above ground station for fast results. Do you use above ground stations?
@@DanTheBugMan
Yeah AG packs are pretty dope, I’ve seen pretty awsome results with them.
I agree with your point that pest control companies charge too much for them about 50/50. It really just depends on what kind of warranty the baiting system comes with.
If we’re talking unlimited damage repair and free retreats upon new damage…yeah I think it’s worth 1200-1400 depending on the size of the home.
If your warranty is crap, really any termite service is a risk. There is never such a thing as 100% risk free from termites in my opinion. Baiting or liquid.
You were however wrong about wood being in stations. It’s not wood, but pure cellulose infused with noviflumuron.
I’d love to elaborate more on the science on why the are effective, but I’m sure you have done your research and have developed your own opinion based off of that.
Hey Dan. I have ants in my basement. I see them coming out from tiny hole and I put a caulking. Can ants destroy house foundations?
Nope!
Dan, how do I get rid of termites that are already in the house?
I live in Ohio. I nearly got scam by my pest control company that I was with for about 4 years. They wanted to charge me $1500 to install the Sentricon bait stations around my 1250sqft home. This was a "discounted" price also since I was already a customer. Plus $60 per month for 2 years for the warranty ( He did not mentioned this. I just happened to have read it.). They used several scare tactics to get me to sign. Such as "the house down the street needed $30K in termite damage repair". I ended up signing but after thinking about it overnight and doing a little research I canceled the contract the next day ( had a 3 day cancel window). In fact I completely canceled all my pest services from them. I ended up DIYing it with trenching and using a 78oz bottle of Taurus SC for $100. It was back breaking and time consuming but well worth it.
Doing the trench now. 3 more sides to more sides to get through
@johnyee8800 $60 per month is so much!! That's great to hear! Thanks for watching
I had a house need 30000 dollar repair due to no termites finding the stations fir 2 years but managed to be under a rock about 3 inches from the garage
Great video, great insight. I used your videos to get rid of termites in my house.
Maybe one benefit of bait stations, it is more environmentally friendly; that being said I used the liquid treatment of course haha.
Thanks for watching! Yes you could say that!
Wow. I never knew!
Dan, I rent a large home built in the last 4 years. My landlord doesn't provide pest maintenance, I haven't seen any issues. Would you recommend a pest inspection before paying for regular maintenance, or how do I not get ripped off?
No. Dont waste a dime unless you see a problem. Just incase you didnt know too, any ant peoblem is easily fixable w $6 ant baits at publix
Thanks for watching! Your landlord should be responsible for normal pests like ants, mice, spiders, etc.
Wrong! When I first started 18 years ago and Sentricon used a different bait and we still had many liquid accounts we would have 10+ "swarms" a day of existing customers in April now we dont have more than 10 (that are actually termites) a year, with 1‐3 swarming out of the structure. My company does not ever treat with liquid with the Sentricon System, we use above ground stations for active termites. The bait is not just "wood soaked in chemical" and we do remove the stations when you cancel. It might be a few months but we will remove them. I promise you it works, and I'm not just saying that because my company uses it believe it or not.
I was always a Sentricon technician, im now in management when I started we just stopped doing new liquid job just retreatments. Around 2019 we stop even doing that, converting our final 800 liquid customers (had to cancel a few) we just converted our last liquid account earlier this year. For as long as I can remember we've used Termidor SC. If it wasn't on the market in 2006, I don't know what we used.
The Sentricon above ground station contains Recruit IV in 2011 the in-ground stations changed its matrix to Recruit HD. The active ingredient in both Noviflumuron.
I'm the termite manager, I have 6 routes and 2 routes assistance and about 9,000 accounts. We inspect and service the accounts once a year. The pest side has about 18 routes, 4 assistance, and 3 guys that do just mosquito services. Termite doesn't do pest and vice versa. That's one of 43 offices, my offices is in the top 25% in size for the company
@mrcordell865 Interesting experience and I appreciate the comment! Do you think liquid formulations have gotten better or worse over the years? And yes that's is a good point about the above ground stations. That makes sense! If the termite colony is introduced to the above ground stations asap then that will speed up the colony elimination sooner! Thanks for watching!
@mrcordell865 that's a big company!! So yes i'm sure you have lots of experience! Do you ever have reservices with the bait? Even the best liquid and bait treatments sometimes have re-services right? Thanks!
-Dan
Ive used them on active infestations and they usually start working within 3 months. I haven't done thousands of termite jobs but I've done a few.
Termidor works within the first few weeks
3 months aint bad!
Been using sentricon for 10+ years never had an issue. Also the most sustainable systems on the market, but definitely dump 100s of gallons in the soil and it still not be 100% effective.
That’s crazy cuz the average Liquid termiticide treatment only takes 25-33 gallons of chemical
Not hundreds lol keep guessing tho
@@Man_in_a_Gucci_Suit2 gallons per 10 ft says that don't add up
If we do the math let’s say the avg ln ft. Per home is 170 ln feet . Just to be safe we would divide 170 by 10 that gives us 17 then multiply that by 2 that’s 34 gallons.
Depending on how many houses you treat that’s. “Hundreds of gallons”
@@jonathanhutchinson6669 yea and you can’t control how much chemical
The soil will take so you might mix up 33-36 gallons but the soil only accepts 25
@@Man_in_a_Gucci_Suit
Correct.
Im not sure about every company, but the annual renewal isnt just to monitor the stations, it is the cost to keep a warranty in place in the event termites do bypass the stations and damage the home. The company I am with actually covers the cost of damage if something does happen with the system in place. I know other companies offer retreat warranties as well. Now if a company is charging that much just to monitor the stations, then that is definitely a scam.
Terminix gave me a quote of $1500 to install 12 stations. They said there is a warranty of up to $275 k. They said if there is damage they pay up to 275K to fix the damage . They don't really tell me how that works but when I look at the contract that they want me to sign , there is a lot of fine prints . Im thinking not to sign up and do the preventive treatment myself. Your thoughts ?
Yes the contracts are full of fine print details that 99% of the time gets the pest control company out of having to pay for the damages.
Do you think it is affective if I do it myself following the instruction? . I have Taurus SC and digging a trench is not a big deal .. what’s really the point of hiring pest control company to do it ? Convenience ?
Avoid that contract ,the fine print exonerated them from all liability
Terminix international?or an independent franchise of Terminix? What state do you live in? Because that IS a rip off 100%
@@jonathanhutchinson6669 franchise Texas
Sentricon recruit HD works great here in new orleans the above ground stations for actives knock out activity quick the stations aren't fool proof but the back up with the AG works well price wise. It is cheaper to get sentricon vs liquid. Plus the cost of retreating and renewals. Its a lot easier on both sides of the business
You are going to ruffle some feathers with this one. I'll get the popcorn...
🍿 ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED ? 🍿
Strange. Just a couple years ago you said with confidence that bait stations work and work very well. Maybe not as well as chemical liquid treatments, but pretty close. Not you are saying bait stations are a scam. What happened?
Termite Bait Stations are there to monitor activity before they start eating away at the house. I've installed bait stations around my home, and it hasn't taken long for them to find the bait.
Very good video mate. I'm from Australia. Considering buying a termite infested property near the beach.
Thanks for watching!
@@DanTheBugMan No worries. Thanks for making such a great video
I need a drink, to watch the rest of this😂😂
I've seen sentricon work, both when used with a liquid treatment and not. to me its not a ripoff, I've seen it eliminate colonies.
Termidor eliminates colonies at a fraction of the cost in the long run
I agree but I think pest companies charge too much for it, which is a rip off. They should charge less than liquid treatments but instead its usually more or equal
@@DanTheBugMan it depends on if your 1200 comes with a hefty warranty. And it’s fine if you think it’s a rip off. Bottom line is that a lot of people don’t and are fine and even happy with the peace of mind a GOOD company offers. If your paying 1200 for sentricon alone your being ripped off. Heck if you’re paying 700 just for liquid ,and no guarantee, you’re getting ripped off because there is NO 100% in pest control.
Great video, Dan. Very persuasive argument. Keep up the good work!
Thank you!!!
What a video . Completely agree 100% . I couldn’t tell you how many times I’ve crawled customers houses who had those bait stations and found active termites . Termite bait stations are indeed a complete scam . Liquid treatment is the way to go . Can’t go wrong with fipronil .
Can’t speak on the sentricon ones but part of the process with trelona ones is regularly checking the stations and the house itself. Also some people don’t seem to notice the difference between the monitoring stations and bait stations from trelona. Regardless though I think trelona is fine as a preventative step if you keep up with the yearly bond, however if you have an active site I’d go liquid
Thanks so much for the support tyler! Yes sir!!
Where's your PPE while touching active termite bait stations?
He left it with your mother
Karen
The bait is nontoxic, his dirty hands might contaminate the bait if anything
@mrcordell865 Hey my hands are not dirty!!!! HAHAHA
You don't need any .the stations don't have any bait in them until active termites are found eating the wood stakes
This 100% has an agenda due to Sentricon pissing you off. Bait stations are needed if liquid application is impossible. It's still better having something than nothing.
Bait should ALWAYS be secondary.
If it's just the money situation, I don't charge for station checks, I offer that as a free service on top of other services or part of the initial implementation.
But if I need to replace Bait, I charge.
I liked your channel, but this is just making pest controllers who have tried to help their clients look bad. This video will always come up whenever I recommend bait stations in the future. So thank you, now I have to try and protect someone's home, where liquid can't get to. Like their prize-winning garden beds against their home. Try convincing them to trench up their garden 😂 they'd rather have termites eat their house then have anything hurt their garden.
Termites eat wood, paper, cardboard, cellulose
They’re not going to eat a customers Marigolds, home grown peppers or their tomatoes…
Rats will do that not termites…
@MirkwoodPestControl I don't really have an agenda. I don't hardly make any money from these videos and none of my potential customers are watching this haha! What would my agenda be??
That's great that you don't charge for checking them! I just rod if they have a nice garden bed or landscaping. And hahaha don't give me too much credit! I think most people won't watch my video before calling you. Good Luck out there!
Just go with the liquid Taurus soil treatment
I would bet that scenario has never happened
@@michaelmerck7576 you meant Termidor HE not Taurus right? ☺️
You're getting paid for saying this. You used defend TBS.
Defend TBS? What?
Funny you say this I had just watched a previous video where he talked about bait stations being almost as good as liquid treatment
@@williamcollins2637key word is almost
I think I will try that wood around outside, sounds good
You can not do a liquid treatment if they have a well or if there is a water source nearby. You also can not do a baiting system in cities. They both are good options, and neither are a scam.
The renewal price for the warranty on both liquid and bait stations is the same, but the installation of the bait stations is cheaper than the treatment of liquid. Liquid treatment also degrades and needs to be redone every 10-15 years while bait stations are checked once a year and are replaced as needed, which is covered under the warranty.
It's a little odd, too, that you have a video from 2 years ago where you're a lot more friendly towards bait stations than you are now. There is definitely a lot of bias in this video, and I think it could be because your company decided to stop using bait. If you are in the South, I understand because it's cut throat down there, and you also have drywood termites, whereas in the Northeast, it's really only ever subterranean termites.
With foams I find drilling the spots you want to treat is good, drilling a few 1/8" holes is easily patched, and if the termites are only cruising through the timbers in the wall and not the voids you kinda have to drill into the timber, nothing more satisfying than the sound of the termidor foam filling an entire 2x4 🤤🤤🤤🤤
I had liquid fail 3 times in 4 years. Twice done professionally. What seemed to have worked is having all the walls inside the house filled with terminator and having having the bathroom drilled and drilling into underneath the foundation with liquid but then. They also put in bait stations for me for free. My annual contract for the bait station is a hundred and fifty dollars a year. That includes a 1 million dollar structural damage gaurantee. I have it in writing.
$150 a year with bait stations is a steal.
Never drop that service, we were charging $250-$300 a year for Sentricon
and don't listen to this Dan, it's totally worth it
Our company would put the stations in free for customers that had a liquid bond that had active infestations. We would go up on the bond about $100 after that. So a bond that was $125-$150 would go up to $225-$250.
If the company does go up on it in a few years, it's still worth it since sentricon is so expensive to install and plus your house could get Termites again.
I cant believe you guys would take his word for it. He has a video on a liquid treatment on a house with active termitres and he doenst drill the patios that are connected to the house.
He claimed he followed state laws, I cant think of one state that would allow a company to put a house on contract without a full treatment
Most of all Dan is being paid by Control Solutions, thats why he always mentions Taurus and not Termindor SE and you can forget about him talking about Termindor HE, which is a better product because Control Solutions doesn't make it yet
@Give_us_the_emo_shit_Jarren it's called auto correct lol . He's kinda right though . Termidor HE is a FAR superior product to taurus sc .
@Give_us_the_emo_shit_Jarren I didn't know he was sponsored by them . I've stopped using taurus , it makes no sense on termites with better liquid products available. And with ants there is better ,cheaper and less restrictive products on the market
@@Man_in_a_Gucci_Suit 23 years with pest and termite control.
Hey Dan is this you?😂
@gr8fulnbama439 Taurus and Termidor are very similar products. Termidor just marks their prices up because they can. Drilling patios is such an old school thing haha! In my opinion, drilling is not necessary. especially if you just treat around the porch. Taurus and Termidor both eliminate the colony so there's no point in drilling everything! I am 100% compliant with state laws. I talk to my Ag inspector every week! :) you know Termidor and Taurus have the exact same active ingredient??
Monitoring stations MAY be.a waste but active bait stations do work. *Comment sent before finishing video*
Fair enough, they work but it just takes a long time! Thanks for watching!
I work at Orkin and we typically only use sentricon for preventative (with a guarantee that we will use termidor if termites become present) and light termite activity on a home (with termidor in the active areas). Beyond that we use termidor treatments for anything moderate to heavy activity. We also don’t manipulate or lie to anyone, Orkin would fire someone for being dishonest. “Hey Mr & Mrs, we offer a termite preventative product call sentricon, it does work based off of how termites forage but we offer a guarantee on it incase they do make it passed the stations (it happens but our branch has only had 2 houses in 10 years) we come out yearly and inspect the house inside and out and change the bait at yearly intervals.
Although I will agree with you we fight everyday customers thinking you only need to use bait stations for active treatments because of the companies I think you’re talking about.
My neighbor had Sentricon bait stations installed and I found active termites a month and a half later
I have them every 5 ft. It's a lot but they do work.
I bet you could’ve almost bought a used car with what you payed for them
Nice! yes 5 feet is close together. Did you install them yourself?
@@DanTheBugMan No
Currently had 30 of these put in for active Formosan and sub terrain termite's. Currently 6 months into this and still very active termites inside the house. Have holes in the wall where they have ate the decking and 2x4's to nothing left. They are eating away at the house and the company doesn't seem to care about getting these termites killed. They put in above ground bait stations. They come back every 2 weeks and replace the bait. Never did any sort of liquids. Need a true professional if you know anyone in the Lake Jackson, TX area that actually is a professional in termites.
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Amen brother 18 years here in the industry and bait stations are a complete sham!! Good for you !!
10 years here i used to live in a townhome and I found active termites on my neighbors unit 1.5 months after Sentricon was installed by my competitor btw
And my dads been doing this 40 years he’s found active termites dozens of times on houses w/ bait stations
Bro you’re incredible!! My family and I LOVE THIS CHANNEL
My friends runs a termite company and they never really prevented any termite infestation with those bate stations and your right. They now use Tourus SC and they have successfully saved a lot of homes. But I ordered that product and trenched it in MYSELF THANKS TO YOUR CHANNEL 👍👍👍👍👍
That's awesome thanks so much for watching!!!
Sentricon is a scam you are correct. Trelona ATBS is the only station that works pretty well if done correctly. However we always say liquid is a must if there is an active colony present/obvious before we can even discuss trelona.
Love it!!
My man got alllllllll the heat in the comments. Im just here to watch so he gets his RUclips buckaroonies. Yall
My Man :)
thank you! the truth comes out!
There’s always a few people in the comments section that are triggered it’s hilarious
Only thing disappointing is he recommended Taurus SC instead of Termidor HE
Yeah I’m more of a Termidor believer myself
FINALLY :)
I know sentricon bait stations dont work ,personal experience
I agree with you completely. It's 100 percent a revenue gimmick.
@Give_us_the_emo_shit_ lol they have termidor NY
12 to 20 read the label. And they are looking for cellulose not wood fool
Cellulose is in wood??? hahaha
Wow. Apparently you’d go to great lengths to misinform people. My friend I use Sentricon daily. 365 days a year ongoing with these stations I return very little for extra work to the same house. Very very little. You need to get your facts straight Dan.
He did liquid get his facts straight
Liquid chemical is a one and done treatment that last a minimum of a decade and honestly really more like 1.5 decades and almost always cost less in the long run
And you can’t put bait stations everywhere Tell me how to install a Sentricon under someone’s tub trap… I’ll wait
I found the sentricon system to not work too many tines so I avoid promoting the bait stations and I will not install them
I agree with this 100%. I’ve been back to houses after years of having station service installed to “renew the warranty”. And found many empty pods with active termites crawling all over them. I install bait stations because my company pays me to, but I really don’t think they work very well at all.
That’s the point.
@@elijahmerchant246 obviously, that’s why I posted the response.
Hey Dan! Thanks for this info! Bait stations never made sense to me, I avoid them.
Best regards, Katie's dad.
Thanks for watching!
You are the man. About everything is a scam these days. I appreciate your willingness to work for a loving and helpimg folks to combat pests.
Thanks for watching!! :)
I too hate them, for many reasons, the worst example is when people only install the timber monitoring devices and not the always active rod, 3 monthly visits that end up not even happening and then people get termites anyway or if the controller does keep coming it milks the customer to the point they then hate pest controllers and when they do get an active station baiting them needs so many bait replacements, sometimes the termites don't take the bait and abandon the station less so with high density rods, they generally take, but using stuff you have to mix with water, I hate that, you only need a couple jobs out of 100 where they dont take the bait even when they are channeling right next to the station to test the limits of your patience lol, using just timber to me is just a straight up scam, the always active rod less so, but still it can take several rod replacements and sometimes 2 years! For them to finally stop attacking that active station and be presumed dead, but then you go turn over a log 20 feet away and find termites anyway after baiting for freaking years! The caps go brittle faster than the rods go old. And oh boy when they don't touch any stations but eat someone's house anyway, customers loooove that...not.
In conjunction with something like Taurus or in very specific use cases, It should almost never be the first option IMO and to the people saying "I use only sentricons for prevention for years with 0 issues " I would say
1. Maybe you aren't good at finding termites in houses or following up on your work in general lol
2. You don't actually have enough jobs done to have good data.
3. If you have callbacks for chemical but not stations you might be doing something wrong, a termite getting through chemical would be like a person trying to swim through an ocean of fentanyl lol
4. Would you do a pretreatment to a slab by doing no physical barrier, nothing on the penetrations, no chemical to the soil, none of the usual things, just plonk the house on soil and slap stations around it? Heck no you wouldn't so why do you think it's so different post construction? If you have a nice open subfloor that can be sprayed and an easy to treat perimeter why are you using stations at every job?! I think I know why! lazy!!!
Then you go to these classes and you listen to these companies that sell the product and that’s where all the information comes from Pest Control companies don’t make it up. It’s the manufacturer.
Being in the pest control industry for now almost 4 years, I can totally agree with you on this one. Liquid treatments are the way to go. I have experience with both products stations and liquid. I use premise 75 for exterior treatments and premise 2 for interior like wall voids etc
I hear Premise doesn’t last half as long As Termidor HE
Termidor HE is on sale this month only by the way Veseris, Oldham chemicals check w/ your rep
@@Man_in_a_Gucci_Suit Telling all the secrets!! lol
Hello bug man 👨 😊
That's how companies get rich by recurring revenue
I'm currently doing the Taurus SC trench application proactively. No activity thank goodness. Taurus for $50 and manual labor is well worth 5 to 10 years of protection. Previous homeowner had bait stations and a pest control contract. Termites may not find the bait stations as one colony can cover 10 blocks.
I know huh😅And we serious too. But this man is right. These Termite companies are freaking rip offs. I have always treated my properties for termites🎉😂
You shouldn’t have posted this.
It's because this video is full of disinformation
@whooterf2829 Why not?? hahaha
@@DanTheBugMan
Because I personally recommend Trelona ATBS in certain situations. I think they are a great preventative method. Not trying to start a fight, but I think it was pretty careless to post a video calling professionals like myself and many others scam artists. It’s simply not true.
you know what i hate more than these stations? installing them lol, im a tech for terminix and people buy them like hot cakes.
This house came with Sentricons. I bought the $55 key on ebay to open them up just to check on them. They are extremely protective of the bait refills. You *might* find some for sale on ebay but I haven't found them anywhere else. And the narrow shape that's all part of the racket. So you have to use their skinny baits that you can't find for sale. I'm guessing that's the reason they want to really screen their pest control companies. They don't want their product getting leaked to ebay. Also far easier to drill a pilot hole for them during install. The company that was servicing them really tried to get me to renew the subscription but they marketed it as a preventative and not to kill an active infestation.
I ONLY recommend termite bait stations to customers as a preventative and monitoring service. If there’s an active issue, these are definitely not a solution! 100% need some Termidor trench & rod treatment. We also do a pre treatment for newly built houses with BoraCare and a blue dye.
The information that you're giving isn't quite so new or quite a secret. I did the research almost 15 years ago 2006 to be exact. I did as much research as I possibly could. Because that is my profession Researcher. By finding information that you give is valid as I found when I did my research.I have made it fifteen years since I had the liquid application for subterraneans. There has been no evidence of them until this year again.And boy boy was I pushed to get the bait system. Of course.
Being a researcher I had several estimates and every single one of them told me that the liquid was not as good. Sorry, guys.I'm doing the liquid and I hope to get another fifteen years
I have been in the past filled for eight years and worked for multiple different big corporate companies now I work for a in-state company and have been for the last four years we use sentricon mainly and it works perfect the ag station are a definite game over! Don’t get me wrong liquid treatments do work. Also when you use Thermidor He.I like your channel and everything you produce but seeing that you’re going after a product that you’ve never even used irks me and Taurus is not the answer when it comes to Termite treatments it’s just an offbrand of Thermidor it’s like comparing skim milk to buttermilk! To be honest controlled solutions Products are not the best it’s not the active ingredient. It’s the additive they put in them.
Never been a lie out of my mouth I always give customers different opinions
You said they were good in a previous video
I said they worked! But it takes a long time to work and pest companies charge too much for them!
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this is not true at all .
What part isn’t true?
@Man_in_a_Gucci_Suit the part that he says termite bait station don't work.
@@terranceparker8838he never said that he said they cost a lot more and take longer to hit (up to a year)
And liquid is generally a better value that does the same thing and quicker
6 years of experience..wow real veteran he is.This guy has much to learn. His video is an example of lazy marketing and self promotion. Of course, he has built his company around liquid treatments. It makes perfect sense to make a video that defames his competition. Thankfully the customers can see through these tactics in most cases. Focus more on your work and your customers and less on talking shit about a subject you know next to nothing about. I say that with love!
6 years and he still has a CA license and knows his stuff
@zachseitz888 Thanks for watching Zach! Haha I think 6 years is pretty good?? What did you disagree with? I don't want to do any self promotion here, this video doesn't make me hardly any money!
I disagree with the part where you claim bait is a "scam". BASF would disagree with you and the peer reviewed label data proves you wrong. Bait is a better option for many home owners. Its a slower method of control but a just as effective method. Bait is much less invasive than conventional liquid treatment. Liquid isn't 100% effective FYI. I have been in this business for 12 years so take it from a guy who has twice your experience. Both methods work. You making these videos just serve to expose your youth and inexperience. You are doing us all a service in that respect! Grow up and stay in your lane. Shit talking won't get you anywhere in life. You seem to have a good business going. Focus on that!
Dan is just telling the truth ,the bait stations aren't trustworthy
@@zachseitz888of course the company making the product think their product works but real life proves them wrong way too much for my trust in them
Hey Dan. Thanks for making this video. I have a company in Kentucky, and for years, I've warned customers about using these stations. It's nice to see that you are one of the good ones. Think about it. Bait lures termites to your property, forever, creating a life long customer for the company. It only benefits the company. The bait may kill the initial colony, but here comes another one. I've attended many seminars, by some of Sentricon's top sales people. They try to convince us that our revenues will go up if we buy into it, but I always refused.
Termites are blind foragers, they are not "lured" by anything
I was as k Ed to leave a sentricon training class because the instructor never could answer any of my questions and objections to their information I knew wasn't true
No that is not true you are replacing a useless program for one that actually works
Boy you can tell the bait station sellers are out in force ! 😂 liquid treatment is 1,00000000% better than stations ! You want stations I’ll be happy to sell you BUT ! My home gets liquid treatment!! Good luck wit the stations !!
@marksmith-qk2rl Haha yes they are! I knew this would ruffle some feathers. Right! What would you treat your home with?! I treat mine with liquid
@@DanTheBugMan I do treat mine with liquid ! I go every 7 years as a rule. I don’t trench as deep now as I did on the first round.
Don’t listen to this guy on this. I enjoy a lot of his videos. But bait stations are generally required for a warranty. Repair and retreatment. Is sentricon the most cost effective bait? No. Sentricon is cost effective when there’s an active infestation.
All I'll say is this guy is not correct do your own research .
Liquid gets weaker the longer its the ground . So it constantly breaks down . Where as checking sentricon correctly lasts just as strong as the day you first put them in . Not to mention is a more greener and eco friendly to the environment.
Do listen to Dan don't buy from fearmonging companies who hire professional liars to sell their products
Agreed 100% 👍
Ótimo trabalho
I can't thank you enough for your videos. I'm happy to see the change in this industry the new generation is bringing. I had subs down here in South Florida and got 3 quotes. Two of them were absolutely ridiculous talking several thousand dollars. A younger guy came out and took a look around and said I could probably treat them myself for about $400 all in and that included buying the sprayer to mix the Taurus SC. Between his help and your videos I was able to treat my entire home successfully. Unfortunately my HOA has been drinking the koolaid and got conned into a $20K contract to put traps in the ground. Makes me sick to my stomach.
I’ve never seen a termite tech with as little knowledge of the termite industry and practices as you.
What did he get wrong?
Says an employee at the company that scams people with those turds 😂
@@Man_in_a_Gucci_SuitBait stations have as much engineering and research behind them as liquid termiticides. There are multiple studies showing that bait stations are very effective at preventing and treating infestations. The 30 days vs 365 days for effectiveness is a complete misinterpretation of what he was reading. And termite companies routinely will repo their stations if cancelled, particularly the companies that use the ATBS stations. As far as treating active infestations, above ground stations are used and are fast acting. He states that bait stations contain wood. That is not true for sentricon or atbs.
@@hughesoutdoors5017Nope. I work for a regional pesticide distributor and have nothing to gain or lose by calling BS because I sell liquid and baits.
@@Man_in_a_Gucci_SuitI’ve responded to your comment, but it disappeared on my end. Are you seeing it?
I had respect for this channel before this video. This is so disingenuous and a broad over-generalization of the (largely avoidable) shortcoming of bait stations.
The University of FL has a ton of research behind bait stations and how to properly implement them.
Do better man…
And Dr. Roger gold (Texas A&M) concluded Dan is correct and bait stations simply don’t work as well as liquid termiticides and are overpriced
@threegs3496 I understand where you're coming from, but I believe everything I said was true. What did you disagree with?? Thanks for watching!
I have documented failures of the systems
Idk I don’t like this video. Why not talk about Trelona? Plus allot of people don’t have the funds to pay for a liquid treatment. So I bet that’s why there is more people with stations than liquid.
Because Sentricon is the much more popular option so he probably doesn’t have a lot to say on Trelona
I was just charged 3 grand for the stations and half of the house liquid treatment
Yep that’s the scam
Depends on the house , Dan doesnt give specifics because he doesn't know how those products work
Termindor HE is very expensive, it cost us close to $800 for 4 bottles and that only makes 200 gallons.
Sentricon is very expensive because we have to pay Corntega several hundred dollars on each site and if it is over 400 linear foot, we have to charge a commercial rate.
Both products are great, but Dan isnt being honest with cost of Sentricon. Dow spent over 500 million on it before they sold it to Corntega
@@gr8fulnbama439 bro you can make 800 gallons with 8 bottles of chemical
@@gr8fulnbama439 if you do it at the high rate (which isn’t necessary) it’s still 400 or 600 finished gallons too btw
18:23 LIKE it!
Facts!
Wow I can't believe Sentricon..... The fact they won't sell their product to you because you are too small is ridiculous. I hope people stop using them. SCAM!
Sentricon wants only the best to use their product . Which is no offense to this guy, but he is not stating all the facts correctly . Please do your own research before you just follow what a "pest " guy says on RUclips.
Sentricon only deals with million dollar companies or larger
@@trustmylegacy8652no that is bullshit
I can tell you that this video is a CLICK BAIT. If you want to talk bad about bait stations then you are definetly not reading the label, instructions and making a good treatment.
He’s got an agenda for sure.
@@MMCS87 yea to stop having PMPs suck their customers bank accounts dry
I support his agenda 100%
The bait stations are overrated. Video is accurate
Well considering he didn't give any field test from the past couple of years is very telling.
Sentricon Always active have been tested as the best preventative termite measure ever. Termites are able transport the bait to the colonies with some close to 400 feet away from the structure. You can't do that with Termindor, the termites die before they get to transfer the product.
They know this by DNA tests
Sentricon kills the entire colony, Termindor which is a great product was thought to kill the entire colony as well but entomologist believes that nymphs may still survive with a Termindor treatment.
Dan here is using old data as his reference
Also you can't put liquid just anywhere including places close to water sources, so you have to use a bait.
There's no run off for bait stations, the baits in Sentricon are 100% effective years down the road.
Termindor has a 10 year guarantee, however it's a liquid and like any liquid it's effectiveness goes down year by year
Also if you dig up an or an animal does dig up an area that is chemically treated that area can be navigated by termites and I know Dan isn't going to eat the cost of such an expensive chemical to retreat
Nice video, but get to the point your video is way too long.
You are so goddamn handsome
Taurus will kill any colony insect real quick that stuff is great. My callbacks for ants are near 0 after switching to it.
I hate sentricon, too. i use advance
I use both, and there are certain areas i will not pump pesticides into the ground, around lakes, rivers, and people with wells .
The cost of returning to the house once a month is built into prices. I am 100 percent honest with my customers.
Yes, there are companies who do use them as a scam, mainly the large ones. But bait stations can be effective they are a tool in a toolbox. I've been doing this 30 years and have killed many termite colonies with baits, including at my own home.
The biggest scam is you removing perfectly good termite monitoring system, and then charge them for a liquid treatment 🤷🏻♂️
So the customer should’ve refilled the bait stations for $200-300 or more a year?
Or they can do a proper liquid treatment that Dan probably charged around $600 for I’m guessing
How do you come to $200-$300 per year to refill the system each year? The always active rods will last more than four years, unless they are consumed by termites, and that's what they're meant to do 🤔
Also I think fipronil based chemicals are a excellent choice in most cases. What I don't agree with is he's total disregard for
Termite monitoring systems. The key to any treatment method is to reduce any conducive conditions on site, and especially inside of the property.
@@kennyjohndaniells you’ll always have termites in your yard or your neighbors yard
Using Termite stations are like squirting a water gun into the ocean there’s no point put a barrier up against your house and then termites in your yard become irrelevant
Disagree that the stations are pointless. There’s definitely situations where they are better suited. Most termite species in your yard or neighbours yard are happy to stay just there, coptotermes species will actively search for new food sources, this is when the termite system will do its job. Plenty of people don’t want their concrete drilled 200,300 or 450mm around their house, they also don’t always want to cut traps in timber floors to gain access to the subfloor, to apply chemicals. The point I’m making is both systems have their place in the industry, and if you discard one option completely it is you who is limiting your company or customer. Dan’s been in the industry for 6 minutes and thinks he knows better than the science behind the baiting systems, he is either disgruntled or uneducated on the system 🫡
Shut up, you might learn something😮
I am a woman 👩 , and know these big companies are rip off . This is real 👄
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Video about nothing.
Nothing but fax
Not your best video. Dano. Your confidence is not lacking but information is greatly 😬.
I offer baiting systems, liquid, wood pre-treats with boracare. I’m an ACE, if you talk to any ACE (who have proven themselves in the industry) they will find a lot of flaws in your arguments.
And as a side note, Taurus is a garbage termiticide. If you truly care about your customers as much as you claim to you’d pony up the extra cash and do termidor. I’ve never seen a reintegration with Termidor but have seen plenty with Taurus.
That’s good that you offer liquid treatments but why do you offer a scam service as well?
How have you not realized it’s a scam yet?
@@Man_in_a_Gucci_Suit because I’m smart 😂😂😂
@@michaelhoffman617 so if you put liquid up against a house (buried) and it last 10-15+ years and they’re not able to build a tube up against the slab
What’s the point of putting bait stations in their yard? So their fence doesn’t get eaten? So their mulch doesn’t get eaten?
@michaelhoffman617 I would like to think i'm an Ace haha! Which information did you disagree with specifically?? Also, that's pretty cool that you offer 3 different options! Which one do you normally recommend most and least? I am starting to offer Boracare and am interested in your opinions. Thanks!
@@DanTheBugMan One last thing that came to mind after I finished typing. You mentioned that bait stations require a spot treatment as well. While that is true, whether it be with the above ground stations or termidor or premise foam, or boracare if the walls are opened up exposing the studs. That same process of spot treating should also be done with a liquid treatment if done correctly. Anyway. Done now. Gonna go watch some of your other stuff.
Sentricon is not a scam or a ripoff. You’re simply bashing them because your company didn’t meet their minimum requirements to use their products. Sentricon markets themselves very well. Kinda how you worked in your Briostack plug into this video. As a pest control operator, the primary focus is to offer the best, most effective solution for your customers. The best advantages of Sentricon and Sentricon AG over liquid is visual location confirmation once termites hit the station, maximum efficacy year over year, and environmentally friendly. Being in the pest control industry as well, I’d take Sentricon products over a liquid treatment, that in most cases, will not come close to lasting 10 years in the ground. Talk about a ripoff…Why do most PC companies charge an annual renewal or “inspection” on a liquid treatment if it’s so great and lasts 10 years? Three big reasons…recurring revenue, minimizing damage claims, and knowing that the liquid treatment breaks down and loses effectiveness over time (even faster if not properly applied)
Most of your videos are well done and very informative. You’re better than this
You understand he said Sentricon (Corteva)
AND Trelona ATBS (BASF)
So you’re acting like he’s biased and attacking one company when he’s in fact generalizing two different companies bait stations
He’s right tho no matter what brand of bait station you buy it’s a revenue gimmick
Termidor HE > Trelona and Sentricon combined
As far as “visual confirmation”
Bro if a house has termite tubes on it and you treat with Termidor then come back a week or two later and a tube hasn’t been rebuilt that is VISUAL CONFIRMATION that the Termidor worked lol
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His biggest beef was with Sentricon. I disagree regardless. They’re not gimmicks, they actually work
@@billparker1343 his beef is larger with Sentricon BECAUSE THEY DONT EVEN SELL to little guys
BASF on the other hand will sell to my family’s small business with two technicians and one inspector