The way johnny died was just dirty rockstar could've easily made him Trevor's antagonist in sandy shores and have some kind of standoff that way his death is more badass
@@Outlaw7263 and the AOD are a bunch of white supremacists as well, so it makes more sense for them to be Trevor’s enemy since Trevor really hates racists.
@@Outlaw7263Yeah, I was disappointed that the AODs were absent in GTA V. So, here’s hoping we can either have some form of interaction or go to war with the Vice City or a Leonida chapter of the Angels of Death MC in GTA VI 🙏
You know Johnny story ending like that almost makes the events of the "Lost and the Damned" pointless, for one reason and that is Johnny should have cut contact with his addict of a ex-girlfriend. As that's what's been a fairly big part of his story during the events of that game, and Johnny falling into the influence made it even sadder considering he knows first hand what this stuff did to Ashley.
Imo I think that was the point tbh. It shows that toxic love can be hard to get rid of. in gta 4 he could've been without her but he still cared for her, same in 5 which is why he ended up dead.
@@starlaixystar I always knew there was something a bit...off with kate. first time I heard that kate phone call before the deal and revenge missions, there was definitely something underlying there. sure the advice is good but it was more the way she said it.
Tlad literally ends with Johnny telling Ashley to stay away from him and that she can kill herself on her own. Rockstar should have released a dlc to explain how he went from that to tell Trevor he was still in love with Ashley in gta 5 which makes no sense considering tlad events.
@@starlaixystarNiko falls in love with Kate only if you take Revenge path, cause in that ending he sees in her a chance of redemption, a chance "to be good" as he says and have a normal life and because Kate had good moral standards unlike most of the women he met in Liberty City. If you take deal instead Niko basically gives up on the idea to have a normal life and just accepts his fate to be a criminal forever. Gta 5 implies Revenge is the canon ending of 4 since Lester says Niko went quiet meaning he is not a criminal anymore and also an easter egg on Jimmy's laptop shows Niko's lifeinvader page wishing Roman happy birthday meaning that if Roman is alive then Kate is the one who died and therefore Revenge is the ending that chronologically happens in gta 4.
Especially what they did to online. I remember starting up with my gangster and getting my first gun and doing missions to get rep. Started it up the other day and got blown up by a hover bike over and over until I left
I kinda always wondered if there was a reason why they killed my boy Johnny like an NPC. I heard it was because TLOD didn't do nearly as well as they thought. Knowing how GTA5 was though it was probably because South Park made everyone realize Bikers are total fags. (Not hot speech)
Victor Vance also had a pretty sad story. Getting sidelined by the miltary thus getting into the drug game due to his brother and then losing his love of his life (which was pregnant).
One thing that didn't make any sense about Johnny and The Lost being in GTA 5 was the fact that in GTA TLAD the Angels Of Death were said to be founded in San Andreas,but they didn't appear in GTA 5. How did whatever remained of The Lost after TLAD manage to not only move to AOD's main turf,but also kick them out of it
@@mikesta6337 Their in game website mentions them being founded in San Andreas. If I remember correctly,if you have a shootout with the AOD,Johnny will sometimes yell "Go back to San Fierro" to them.
@@ZP1993maybe because they are from San Fierro not Los Santos and the cities being in the same state don't mean that Angels of death have influence in them, fighting with enemies in other city where they aren't a problem for you is simply pointless.
@@kacperaskawski3461 AOD is said to be 10 times bigger then the lost so most likely they have multiple chapters in San Adreas main probably in San Fierro so they probably have other chapters in other cities and towns thats why johnny worned billy about them the AOD are simply too big for the lost to take on.
@@smolggenguffenfugs7844 also war against one chapter doesn't mean war against all of them as like real life motor chapter some chapters might be gangs and some be normal motocycle clubs. Also aren't large motocycle clubs like that a lose coalitions with different goals and enemies. But even without that play online threre is no AOD in Los Santos, even if they were side mission with gang survivor imply that they were wiped out by the Losts at least in Los Santos.
I played GTA V in 2013 and I hated the way how they killed Johnny for nothing. just to promote the new character. oh look how badass Trevor is... and they completely made him a joke, gone down without a fight, not only him even his whole crew. After that, of course my ultimate choice was ending A and make Trevor into fried bacon. No regrets.
@@HamFlare12345well tbf ending A isn’t bad as the other 2 because in ending A his share gets split between Michael and Franklin but if you chose ending b his family gets Michael share
Point is probably it isn't to promote "how badass Trevor is", but more like "how drugs can be bad to your ass". Trevor is an addict too, probably he just had more luck that day.
As much as I'd want to sympathize with Johnny, he kind of brought this upon himself by getting back with Ashley again and becoming a junkie himself. Back when I first saw Johnny return in GTA 5, I was excited to see a known face from GTA 4 return and I hoped he'd play a big role later on, only to find out that he's killed off not more than five minutes of being on-screen. And as much as I hated Trevor in that moment, I later on realized that Trevor, although being unhinged and clearly deranged, was not the one who stole Ashley from Johnny. He's the same as how Ray Boccino was, and God knows how many countless others that Ashley screwed for money and drugs, which is exactly why she was letting Trevor do her from the back like that. She's a junkie and a hoe, for a lack of better words, and Johnny is the one at fault for still letting her stick around for so long. In conclusion, Johnny was a simp and all the character development, bravado and badassery he showcased in TLATD amounted to this; a meth'd up junkie who got demoted to vice president of his own club and someone who lets his girl screw around with random men as long as they can get their high.
yes .... they can make a set of flashback missions where johny and some new members build a new chapter in blaine county by killing members of vagos and many other small gangs
@@iambatmanbtw4673 They somehow managed to add franklin & lamar missions in online mode So this is possible too But i dont think R* will do it Since they are busy in taking down modders and making gta 6
y iknow about these missions thats why i thought about it for a sec they did it well with getting high while f and L sit near but i dont know how they could do this flashback without it making no sense in relation to the online character bc u are in war with the lost and know none of them@@rahulverma8774
@@rahulverma8774 He will appear in GTA Online. He will return as a ghost and is going to be part of the "ghost hunt" event. Johnny's ghost will be at his death site and he can be heard shouting his final words over and over.
Also, one of the main reasons why Johnny and The Lost left LC is because he was hunted by Ray's criminal organization, not knowing Ray was killed by Niko
No idiot. Johhny stopped worrying about Ray when Stubbs told Johhny not worry about him. He’s aware of Ray’s death kid. Jesus Chris, do y’all not pay attention to the story??? Come on humans!!!
Feels so out of place and lore how trevor ended his life. At the end of gta iv tlad you are more left alone with your thoughts on how the ex lost mc members would live. But then its just a huge kick in the face seeing johnny being an addict somehow and still in this kind of relationship with ashley after all that happend. A huge insult for everyone who played johnny trough his story. He is being treated like a generic side character in gta v after all the player saw him fighting through. Also his reaction towards trevor is so wrong! Since when does Johnny K be so weak and not fighting back?
Exactly they wanted to push Trevor being more badass when he’s not. And it’s the gayest thing ever. Lost MC were probably the hardest mfs in the game. Johnny would’ve stepped on Trevor let’s keep it real Trevor not as crazy as they make him out to be
@@user-bt1gb2wp2v bro Trevor is just as crazy as he is Johnny is nothing compared to him the hell you on or you just mad that you’re stupid Johnny died?💀
Johnny at the end of tlad was heavily depressed because of the alderney chapter of the lost being destroyed, and most of his friends dying or betraying him and him being forced to kill some of them. He couldn't find any other way of life except his gang so he moved out of liberty city to start over in the blaine county chapter of the lost, however he was still depressed so in the end he started doing meths all the time as a way to escape his problems and got back in a relationship with ashley too because she was also addicted to meths. This lead to him becoming weak and tired of fighting so even though he didn't like Trevor banging his girlfriend he realized he couldn't do anything about it in the state he was in. The johnny in gta 5 was already a ghost of the tough guy who took no sh!t from anyone that he used to be in tlad, because Rockstar chose to make him surrender to his issues instead of fighting to pull himself out of them and find a new purpose to live. Bad writing for such a character, but perhaps a realistic one too. I think the "moral" of his story is that in the end Johnny really was Lost and Damned...
@@Spartak2811She was a contributing factor for how much Johnny has fallen since the GTA IV DLC. But, you’re right. Johnny is a grown man with personal responsibility. I wonder why his fellow brothers couldn’t help him.
@@ManyPeregrine81 of course, she was a factor in these toxic relationships, but Johnny made this choice by himself. He could move on, leave his past and start a new life. But Uncle T was right when he said “Man was weak”. He was weak, not only for Ashley but for himself. And don’t forget something main: Johnny and Ashley grew into each other, hell, they were childhood friends. They knew each other since sandbox. He couldn’t let her out of his mind, neither she did.
@@Spartak2811tbf at the end of tlad rockstar had showed that Johnny was moving on, from ashley and his gang and everything else, he was still strong. Then they made a completely 360 on his character when they reintroduced him in gta 5 showing us that he had surrendered to his problems, became a junkie and got back with ashley. It was simply a Rockstar's bad choice to change johnny's character just to have an excuse to kill him off to boost trevor as a new protagonist.
Toxic people like ashley are relentless and will use anything to weasel back into your life. It makes more sense if you ever had someone like Ashley that you fell for and had a hell of a time getting rid of them.
I would say that the fate of Johnny Klebitz as a character was much much worse than John Marston. As much as I love John Marston as a character, his fate made sense and gave a clear and strong message. The fate of Johnny Klebitz however, doesn’t make any sense. And it certainly didn’t add anything to the story at all.
@@johanbatcron1206john was literally forced and tricked into arresting his old gang who betrayed him while his family was being held until he arrested them and was promised freedom only for him to be killed after getting tricked, johnny turned into a junkie and died cause of ashley and drugs lol its not close at all whos fate is worse
Johnny K's downfall into drug addiction and eventual death at the hands of trevor was just really bad writing from a company that wanted to dispose of the character as fast as they could
You guys really don’t understand how easy it is for someone as toxic as Ashley to weasel you into your life especially after all Johnny’s been through. Him being the way he was in 5 makes perfect sense
@Beranus You're a really braindead person 😂. It was crap writing, and Rockstar has a history of being petty and doing unnecessary things. Shilling isn't healthy
All this could have been avoided had Johnny just brought the money to Ray Boccino following the botched diamond deal. Things could have been so much different, Jim would still be alive, Ray and his goons wouldn't have trashed the Lost clubhouse, Jim and Angus would have more than likely kept Johnny from going over the deep end and he would have likely stayed away from Ashley. The Alderney chapter would still be going. But because of Johnny's greediness, it cost him pretty much everything. I believe that incident was one of the major deciding factors as to why the club was moved to San Andreas and why Johnny got into drugs in the first place and for all we know he could have become addicted before the move out west and that could explain how he got back together with Ashley, he more than likely felt guilty for how things turned out following the events of The Lost and Damned and just didn't care anymore, It's crazy how many things can change because of one choice.
@@xaneizationno it was Ray and his ppl because Johnny stole the money after Luis shot at them but he probably was planning on doing from the start even Niko came back and told Ray the bike took the money
@@roxasbaker Yeah and after the mission No Way on the Subway, Niko calls Ray and tells him he got rid of the bikers and that Johnny wasn't there, but Ray tells Niko the other guys are mean't to be taking care of him, so after Johnny survived that ambush by Ray, he had his goons trash the clubhouse during the final mission of The lost and damned.
I always assumed it was Johnny, Terry and Clay who trashed the clubhouse and then lit it on fire because the gang meant nothing anymore after Billy's betrayal and so by destroying the clubhouse was like burying the gang's memory aswell which is also a reason that makes gta 5 events have no sense since in there johnnt and the others are still part of the lost like nothing had happened.
@@SpeedGamermanHe was just like Trevor back in his prime but turned into a hot mess. Trevor did drugs to and had more trauma but learn to cope in anger then depression. I guess Trevor was always more superior then Johnny mentally and physically plus. Trevor is damn near why the whole game went smoothly for all 3 protagonists in the end.
@@starlaixystarexplain why people feel remorse for trevor? He is the most dangerous character and he has literally the biggest fanbase(i am not happy for that)
Still believe they wanted to raise Trevor's credentials by having him kill johnny, instead for me i was hating every second of being trevor and killed him without even considering the other options
I still consider Johnny's aftermath to be something of a tragedy, he should never went out the way he did but crystal got him and all thanks to his so called ex who he should never got back with. One of my favorite protagonists too Ten years and still not over this
A quote always stuck to me in the Lost and Damned. Besides Johnny's famous line "A brother bout to stab you in the back, a woman certainly will, but a bike will never let you down." The line I'm referring to is what Clay asks to Terry and Johnny. "If you had to give one of them up brother's, which would it be, bikes or women?" And Johnny says "I wanna say women, but I know I'm weak for them". So unfortunately despite how hard Johnny tried to let go of Ashley, he couldn't do it. But in the end it was Ashley that got Johnny killed.
Gonna get hate, but Johnny's story made sense to me. He's a tough badass in TLAD, sure, but he loses his whole club, most of his closest friends, and basically everything he knows goes tits up by the end. That sort of thing can break a man. Then here comes Ashley again with her habit, only Johnny's broken and apparently trying to rebuild his club now. Yeah, I can see him falling into meth as a way to cope. Yeah I can see him reviving the club and taking it national as a way to relive the good old days. No wonder he's such a pushover for Ashley, its basically all he has left of his old life, save for Terry and Clay but they're in the same spot themselves.
I agree. All these people crying about his death are soft. Honestly, anyone involving themselves with that much violent activity and a women who can’t beat addiction is highly likely to end up dying the way he did.
@@amoeba_xI didn't mind his death, it was the way they did it that was the problem. Gave him the Joel treatment just for the shock value, it was cheap and kinda lazy. They should've made killing Jonny a mission after Trevor destroys most of the Lost. Could've made for a cool last mission for the Sandy Shores area before Trevor headed to the city in search of Michael.
@@2ndTooth Johnny´s treatment was worse than Joels. They made Trevor fuck his lover, beat the shit out of him after shaming him and treating him like a slave bitch which Johnny basically just accepted. Can´t break an ex-protagonist and a fanbase more than that.. It was heartbreaking but hey this is sometimes the world we live in. It was to show that Johnny had totally fallen from his prime and succumbed to addiction. Paints a damn great picture of what addiction does to people, even the once "virtuous" and "honorable".
Tbh if Johnny had left his crack addicted Girlfriend and had no distractions leading the Lost and Damned, Trevor would definitely be the one killed instead
The truth is Johnny fell into his bad habits and became a shell of his former self. It’s a realistic take on how the strongest people turn out in the long run when they have to many vices. He went out with a whimper and had no one to blame but himself
Yet Trevor's many vices give him superpowers, thanks to Mickey Mouse writing..... btw how exactly is this 'weak shell' is still the leader of bikers gang?
@@bdleo300 leader of a crew that always was dysfunctional? That skipped town after a civil war? Do you not realize the AOD was always the superior group of bikers?
To be honest i think they just killed him off as a way of showing how unstable and dangerous Trevor is and to shock the players. It didn't sit well when it happened but it was a powerfull moment. It goes to show that these kinds of people don't live happily ever after.
It did precisely what it was supposed to do - provide a cannon ending for Johnny and set the stage for Trevor. Tevor was likely going to wipe out the lost at some point anyway this was just a wild way to start it I remember some leaked audio files came out about a week before the game went on official sale and this scene was part of it, people couldn't believe it
Rockstar script planner 1: hay we have this psychotic protagonist that is meant to represent the player when they play GTA games like people tend too...how do we make him look tough and crazy? Rockstar scrip planner 2: let's have him kill Johnny from the last game! Rockstar script planner 1: why would Johnny be in LS anywhere near Trevor or his activities? That would be the opposite of everything the game ended on. Rockstar script planner 2: yeah, but I hate him almost asuch as we hate the fans, so fuck all that. They'd completely rewrite him as a sniveling meth addict continually chasing after some druggie girl who fucked her way around the country. Rockstar script planner 1: ... Rockstar script planner 2: trust me, it'll be great.
When trying to help a drug addict, you must remember that you can only do so if they want to help themselves. Otherwise, the best thing you can do is make sure they don't drag you down with them. This is the lesson of Johnny and Ashley's story.
you're a sucker just like johnny.. he was somewhat intelligent & level headed. but was weak & a sucker for that meth head gf. & it eventually caught up to him.
I never cared for The Lost and Damned DLC or Johnny. But I was shocked to see him go down pretty easily. Also I was bummed they didn't bring back Luis Lopez or mention him at least.
All he had to do was cut that addicted mess off and run, but no they made him stay with that horrible woman and become just like every other gta4 returning character, a shell of who they once were
just shows how dark gta 4 story really was tbh, like to me it's a pretty realistic human aspect, it's hard to cut the things we love/are addicted to in life it is hard to get rid of the things/ones we care for even for a badass tough dude like Johnny.
@@badsiknius4862 I'm in nyc myself I was excepting that dark movie vibe when I moved here but it's just nice lights and stuff all around all day/night lmao
In terms of character deaths, Johnny deserved better than what he got... ...But that's why what he got is so good, if you know his backstory. At the end of GTA 4, he had ended his toxic relationship with Ashley, he stayed true to his convictions of staying off drugs, he saw to it that even after his gang had dissolved, those who needed looking after were still being looked after... He was strong, and respectable. It was a good end to his story. But in real life, the story doesn't end just because you overcame something. Time still marches on, and you continue to live. And, in real life, not everybody who overcomes their problems are able to overcome them forever... In real life, people slip back into addictions. They re-enter toxic relationships. They fall back down. Such is the case with Johnny. It's a tragic, realistic look at how strength, resolve, principles, and discipline can come and go. And how a once strong man can sink down into a shell of who he once was. So yeah, Rockstar did him dirty. But the message is a necessary one.
Except Rockstar writers don't really care about any of this, they simply cheap used shock value and sacrificed a well established character from the previous game to promote their new favorite.
I didnt really mind Johnny's death. I mean yeah i felt sad and kind of upset he didnt go out in a better way. But i feel like thats how life can be some times. No matter how cool or capable you are, you could be snuffed out in a real shitty way without ever having a chance to do anything about it.
the angels of death became very weak during Billy's return and inevitable death but a year later, the Angels of Death MC became or at least returned to their former glory with the help of Huang, so they decided to move to the outskirts of Lose Santos until Johnny Clay and Terry were Killed the Lost MC became very weak until the Last Chapter has been put down by Trevor also, just like Johnny Vic became weaker during the 2 years before Tommy got out of Jail and for 2 reasons the first was obviously Lance and the second is he is still heartbroken about Louis's death
@darkangel3474 yep, but she wasn't as much as Ashley was but you can't deny the impact she made on Vic's life Ashley was a straight-up mess that Johnny had to break up with her before, but when he got addicted he got back with her I mean, every woman in this game is toxic, starting from Maria until Amanda but that doesn't mean males were off the hook on that part like the constant abuse of Marty made Louis so depressed and Kendle was dating Ceaser just because Sweet was constantly yelling at her and maria was just a normal woman until she married Salvatore (for being rich and powerful), but he doesn't treat her well and probably cheated on her or maybe for intimate reasons if you catch my drift and also one of CJs GFs Denise was mostly hanging out at a vagos turf (for obvious reasons)
@@Suleiman2000 Simply I don't care because I hate female characters from Rockstar Games. Louise was the one who told Vic that he should control Marty business. She was the one who got him killed. Not only Lance.
but still not all Rockstar female characters are bad I do like Zoe from Bully, and I respect the good and honest reporter from manhunt 1 as well as Mona Sax from Max Payne (despite not being made by Rockstar) and the best female character is my all-time favorite female character among every none RPG game ones it's Katie from GTA 4 (though it's very sad how it ended)
I don’t think you realize that there’s such thing as having multiple lost MC chapters all across the country. The lost mc Alderney chapter is the one that died out. But the lost mc chapter of Blaine county has always been there and was still around. So they didn’t “reactivate” it. All they did was just move across the country to join their brothers in the Blaine county chapter. Not a hard concept to understand.
Thing is Johnny says he would have cut his ties to Angus in a last phone after the game ending and destroying the clubhouse also meant Johnny and the others became renagades and didn't want to be a part of the lost gang anymore after what Billy had done to them, so it makes no sense they would just move across the country and join another Lost chapter
It’s also mentioned in gta5 that the fib had been chasing them across the country. Perhaps Johnny tried to leave the gang but with the heat on him constantly, he had to leave Liberty city. The other members just went with him. Along the way Ashley hitched along to be protected from the fib. Eventually the gang ended up in Sandy Shores. Where they met up with anther chapter of the lost. That chapter made their money with drugs. With Johnny being from anther chapter but still well known, perhaps they gave him the title of vice president. However Johnny couldn’t keep that chapter from selling drugs. It’s quite possible that the chapter of the lost used drugs as well. And some point Johnny got into them as well, because that was the culture of this chapter. Ashely may have even gotten clean during their travels across the country. But once they hit sandy shores, she got back into them. The sandy shores chapter of the lost may have been even the last chapter left of the lost.
This was hard for me as I just finished the lost and the damned when the new GTA came out. I went from riding a cycle and being a badass to watching him get curb-stomped in the same month.
This is what drugs do to people. And considering that Trevor is a heavy meth addict himself, probably some day someone will put him down, just like he put down Johnny, even if he survives in canon ending.
Rockstar did that because they received a lot of backlash for making a game where they made a biker gang seem cool. That death of Johnny was them giving in on the criticism
I feel like they should have saved Johnny and maybe killed off Clay or Terry. That way in the game they don’t refer to the lost as random bikers and instead refer to them as Johnny. Save him until the death wish ending so his death feels earned in the ending. Definitely would’ve been a better antagonist than the O’Niels.
this is a really great idea, just replace Johnny with any O’Niel brother in Trevor’s introduction and have Johnny slowly decay throughout the story and because of Trevor’s actuons
Guess they showed that not all of the main protagonists in the Grand theft Auto series will have a happy ending. Also I read the reason they picked Johnny to die because he was the most underrated character in the GTA IV games.
Finally Edit:I need to see a woman who helps the mc all we see are women destroying or hurting the mc Like Claude,Michael Only person who we see have a good relationship with a women interesting enough was Trevor but he also has deep trauma from women too
He broke up with Ashley, but it is clear it wasn't the first time they broke up so they likely became a thing again after few years. Johnny by the time of TLaD lost best friend, got betrayed by his other friend to who he looked up to, whatched how gang split into two hostile factions and ultimately had clubhouse by Ray's goons. Simply to many things happened that broke him he lost almost everything so after making up with Ashley he was dragged by her into addiction to meth. Losing so much and being exposed to toxic person influence is just enough to destroy someone.
I'll probably get hate for this but I don't think the idea of having Trevor kill Johnny, another GTA Protagonist, to raise his psychopathy value to a max was an entirely bad idea. But they could have executed it differently. It would have been interesting if we chased the Lost MC to their trailer park and after killing all the bikers, Johnny just comes out with his signature Sawn off Shotgun and is way more faster, intelligent and accurate with his shooting and has slightly more average health than that of a regular NPC so that he puts up a bit of a fight. And then when Johnny's on his knees, we can choose to spare him or kill him. Knowing most who have played TLAD will spare him and he rides away never to be seen again. That way his fate is determinant. Or he could've been an alluring threat to Trevor throughout the game and he's one of the people we off in The Third Way. Imagine Johnny as an antagonist. That would've been hella cool. That would've raised Trevor's badass-ness to a max knowing he took down Johnny and his entire Motorcycle gang that we once had control of.
I love Retcons that make one of the best GTA protagonists into one of the worst, make his entire 40 hour DLC completely pointless and then kill him off in the most pathetic, unceremonious way possible to the point that you can't even tell it's him right away. GTA 5 shouldn't be canon.
We can try to build our own backstory to why Johnny ended up getting killed in the manner he did or why the change in his character was so drastic, you did a good jobb of speculating. I dont think rocsyar thought about his nearly as much. They just wanted to show the player how crazy and insane Trevor was and new that we would go crazy if we saw Trevor kill a player we already knew. And storyline wise it made more sense to have Trevkr kill Johnny than Nico or Luis. Plus then in the subsequent missions Trevor could keep attacking the bikers. Where is he had killed Luis or Nico the crazyness would have ended there. It was lowkey bullsh*t, im not gonna lie.
most of us will never get over how rockstar did johnny and vic vance dirty, i mean i know vic vance was an after thought because technically he dint exist in vice city until rockstar decided to make vice city stories and say its vic in the into in a Q&A. like they took on the world only to be cheap shot very quickly, well johnny did, vic got lit up by a firing squad that had armor piercing weapons basically.
to think after all of what Johnny did to Rescue Ashley, she ends up dying of an overdose anyway when heard on the radio if Trevor didn't run her over in the opening scene
There was also a WEASEL news broadcast where reporter said that lost MC gang was dead in 2008 but now they are back in business, he also claimed that they are more powerful in blaine county than they were in liberty city probably bcz blaine county was like wild west of gta
Remember Grove St? The whole point of GTA San Andreas was to revive GSF and at the end we take over all of Los Santos. They were just lazy and thought they could make a better story. Bad endings are good sometimes but not when it’s just to forget about it like it never happened.
I never played through the entirety of GTA 4 as my first GTA game, so when I finally did after playing GTA 5's campaign and made the connection of who Johnny was, I realise how dirty they did him with Trevor.
Johnny deserved at least a little of a boss fight in GTA V.. also, makes no sense the way Trevor can be killed by the end.. seriously? Running away from someone? Was so out of character. He was loyal, yes.. but running away? Nah. The guy was a "walking apocapypse" like Michael said.
I still can't believe that rockstar did Johnny like this. Him and Trevor would've gotten along really well. They should've made the angels of death be Trevor's enemies instead of the Lost MC.
Do you have a video about Billy Grey? because for some reason he kinda reminds me to Trevor when he suddenly wanted to takeaway all the competition in the bussiness
If Niko was smart he would killed Pegorino immediately after killing Rascalov. He was too stupid not realising that Pegorino will be furious for not accepting the deal because he lost everything, Niko betrayed him and he won’t let it. But where the drama in this? I don’t see the drama as I didn’t feel nothing about Kate’s death. She was unpleasant and disgusting.
As a GTA 4 player with 11 years of experience, even i hated how they screwed his character, back then when GTA 5 was out. i never tried or played it when i kept playing 3, Vice City, SA and even the psp game ones. eventually when got to play gta 4 on my own instead of having turns from my older brother. i was amazed of the game way more than 5, around 2018 when i saw a video of the "Mr Philips" mission on RUclips and decided to watch it. I was shocked snd pissed at the same time where i had to watch Trevor kill Johnny. i was disappointed and upset at what i had to watch thats where it all started for me to hate Trevor for that. tho not anymore since the start of late 2019 and early 2020. nowadays i get to have experience on GTA 5 for the first time. as an adult, back then it wasn't my type of interest and had to play 4 more than to try 5. watching Johnny's death in 5 to this day still disappoints me. just what the hell were they even thinking....
Lost and Damned's ending was incredibly depressing, and Johnny was a whiny bitch from the beginning. It actually makes plenty of sense for him to go out the way he went.
It's painful but Johnny's downfall makes sense. Moving out west, he lost his anchor of who he was. He was no longer top dog not even second top dog. He was lost in Los Santos and Ashley was his only tie to when he was a top dog. This helped drag him down to her level.
@@the_other_jackal The problem is the refusal to see past “Ashley got him hooked on meth,” without even looking at the wider scope of TLAD. The detractors of “that scene” hail Johnny as some kind bAdDaSs despite the fact that TLAD revealed him to be a greedier slightly level-headed version of Billy Grey. It turned out Grey was never messing with people bigger than him, hence his arrangement with the Chinese. The Angels of Death weren’t half the level of threat some of the other organizations the Lost went up against were, that Johnny led them into. Johnny ironically ends up being exactly what he accused Billy of being. Billy just wanted Johnny dead. Johnny ended up robbing the mafia and solidified the ending of the Liberty City chapter of the Lost. Folks never take that whole aspect into account that led him to being underneath Trevor’s boot; it wasn’t just Ashley. That one little scene in TBOGT is such a brilliant giveaway.
@@well1012 I wholly agree. I actually replayed TLaD recently and realised that Johnny was, even from the start, a pretty snake-ish individual. He had no reason to rip off Ray Boccino the way he did, and that pretty much signed his downfall, alongside the deaths of several Lost members.
A brother might stab you in the back, a woman certainly will but a bike will never let you down-Johnathan 'Johnny' Klebitz
But no one, no one in this world you can trust. Not men, not women, not beasts... This you can trust.
Rest in peace johnny you crazy jew
💀
your bike won't, but the 2 meter brick wall will
Brothers for life, Lost forever. Johnny Klebitz.
I still feel like they only did Johnny like that to try and make Trevor look more crazy
It goes other way around, it pissed a lot of players
@@veiserexab1428johnny would've killed trevor
@@flyguy1827no bro got paved
@@saladass7674he wasn't his prime self. Prime Johnny beats the brakes off and that boy
@@youngbarrel-roll4649 Not only that they completely changed who Johnnys character.
The way johnny died was just dirty rockstar could've easily made him Trevor's antagonist in sandy shores and have some kind of standoff that way his death is more badass
Not everyone dies in a bad Ass way.. especially addicts
@@tiredeyestooit’s a game that’s supposed to be entertaining
But if Johnny was in his "badass" mood he could win the fight
@@fearlessnameless2231 he wouldn’t stand a chance
I would rather make it Trevor didn’t have to kill him at all
I think they should have made the Angels of death the bad guys in GTA V instead of the Lost. I hated seeing Trevor killing Johnny.
We would have not put 2 seconds of thought if it was the AOD....but being the Lost the ones we kill....its been 10 years and people are not over it😅
@@deadgambler879great point. It’s unfortunate, but you’re right
Would have made more sense too since the AOD is a much bigger MC unit. They have their own website and even a chapter in LS for christ sake.
@@Outlaw7263 and the AOD are a bunch of white supremacists as well, so it makes more sense for them to be Trevor’s enemy since Trevor really hates racists.
@@Outlaw7263Yeah, I was disappointed that the AODs were absent in GTA V. So, here’s hoping we can either have some form of interaction or go to war with the Vice City or a Leonida chapter of the Angels of Death MC in GTA VI 🙏
You know Johnny story ending like that almost makes the events of the "Lost and the Damned" pointless, for one reason and that is Johnny should have cut contact with his addict of a ex-girlfriend. As that's what's been a fairly big part of his story during the events of that game, and Johnny falling into the influence made it even sadder considering he knows first hand what this stuff did to Ashley.
Imo I think that was the point tbh. It shows that toxic love can be hard to get rid of. in gta 4 he could've been without her but he still cared for her, same in 5 which is why he ended up dead.
@@airboruto23Well unfortunately it is truth. Even Niko was enough stupid to feel in love with toxic idealist Kate.
@@starlaixystar I always knew there was something a bit...off with kate. first time I heard that kate phone call before the deal and revenge missions, there was definitely something underlying there. sure the advice is good but it was more the way she said it.
Tlad literally ends with Johnny telling Ashley to stay away from him and that she can kill herself on her own. Rockstar should have released a dlc to explain how he went from that to tell Trevor he was still in love with Ashley in gta 5 which makes no sense considering tlad events.
@@starlaixystarNiko falls in love with Kate only if you take Revenge path, cause in that ending he sees in her a chance of redemption, a chance "to be good" as he says and have a normal life and because Kate had good moral standards unlike most of the women he met in Liberty City. If you take deal instead Niko basically gives up on the idea to have a normal life and just accepts his fate to be a criminal forever. Gta 5 implies Revenge is the canon ending of 4 since Lester says Niko went quiet meaning he is not a criminal anymore and also an easter egg on Jimmy's laptop shows Niko's lifeinvader page wishing Roman happy birthday meaning that if Roman is alive then Kate is the one who died and therefore Revenge is the ending that chronologically happens in gta 4.
GTA 4 handled a lot of themes maturely, nuanced with humor
GTA 5 felt like an Adam Sandler movie
Especially what they did to online. I remember starting up with my gangster and getting my first gun and doing missions to get rep. Started it up the other day and got blown up by a hover bike over and over until I left
yip
Gta 4 was uncut gems and gta 5 was more like jack and Jill
I kinda always wondered if there was a reason why they killed my boy Johnny like an NPC. I heard it was because TLOD didn't do nearly as well as they thought.
Knowing how GTA5 was though it was probably because South Park made everyone realize Bikers are total fags. (Not hot speech)
FR
a toxic relationship can destroy even the toughest guy…
damn right partner 💯
Bad writing can destroy even the best characters.... in this case, Johnny wasn't the best character, but they ruined him only to promote Trevor.
Johnny's story is indeed very sad, presumably the saddest of all GTA protagonists!
Victor Vance also had a pretty sad story. Getting sidelined by the miltary thus getting into the drug game due to his brother and then losing his love of his life (which was pregnant).
Why would you feel sorry for killers and gang members? Vic and Johnny are monsters. Yeach they have their cool moments but still they are evil. EVIL!
@@starlaixystarJohnny and Victor aren't real. They can't hurt you.
@@Shushkin Doesn't change the fact that they are bad people. Not bad characters yeach but bad people.
@@starlaixystar but they're not even people.
One thing that didn't make any sense about Johnny and The Lost being in GTA 5 was the fact that in GTA TLAD the Angels Of Death were said to be founded in San Andreas,but they didn't appear in GTA 5. How did whatever remained of The Lost after TLAD manage to not only move to AOD's main turf,but also kick them out of it
Oh wow do you know where it says that the AOD was founded in SA?
@@mikesta6337 Their in game website mentions them being founded in San Andreas. If I remember correctly,if you have a shootout with the AOD,Johnny will sometimes yell "Go back to San Fierro" to them.
@@ZP1993maybe because they are from San Fierro not Los Santos and the cities being in the same state don't mean that Angels of death have influence in them, fighting with enemies in other city where they aren't a problem for you is simply pointless.
@@kacperaskawski3461 AOD is said to be 10 times bigger then the lost so most likely they have multiple chapters in San Adreas main probably in San Fierro so they probably have other chapters in other cities and towns thats why johnny worned billy about them the AOD are simply too big for the lost to take on.
@@smolggenguffenfugs7844 also war against one chapter doesn't mean war against all of them as like real life motor chapter some chapters might be gangs and some be normal motocycle clubs. Also aren't large motocycle clubs like that a lose coalitions with different goals and enemies. But even without that play online threre is no AOD in Los Santos, even if they were side mission with gang survivor imply that they were wiped out by the Losts at least in Los Santos.
I played GTA V in 2013 and I hated the way how they killed Johnny for nothing. just to promote the new character. oh look how badass Trevor is... and they completely made him a joke, gone down without a fight, not only him even his whole crew. After that, of course my ultimate choice was ending A and make Trevor into fried bacon. No regrets.
I always always chosed the ending where everyone survives but you got point tho.
But if you compared prime Johnny K to Trevor. Trevor would win in a fight hand to hand or gun to gun
It's better that him got killed instead Luis.
@@HamFlare12345well tbf ending A isn’t bad as the other 2 because in ending A his share gets split between Michael and Franklin but if you chose ending b his family gets Michael share
Point is probably it isn't to promote "how badass Trevor is", but more like "how drugs can be bad to your ass". Trevor is an addict too, probably he just had more luck that day.
10 year's have passed , RIP Johnny we still miss you :( .
Lost but not forgotten, brother.
Its so sad to see that now lost MC gang is used as punching bag in gta online
@@rahulverma8774they’re a gang not a cartel or mercenaries bro chill out they’re all on meth too
I never played the lost and the damned, all I got to see of him was getting his ass kicked in gta 5
As much as I'd want to sympathize with Johnny, he kind of brought this upon himself by getting back with Ashley again and becoming a junkie himself. Back when I first saw Johnny return in GTA 5, I was excited to see a known face from GTA 4 return and I hoped he'd play a big role later on, only to find out that he's killed off not more than five minutes of being on-screen.
And as much as I hated Trevor in that moment, I later on realized that Trevor, although being unhinged and clearly deranged, was not the one who stole Ashley from Johnny. He's the same as how Ray Boccino was, and God knows how many countless others that Ashley screwed for money and drugs, which is exactly why she was letting Trevor do her from the back like that. She's a junkie and a hoe, for a lack of better words, and Johnny is the one at fault for still letting her stick around for so long.
In conclusion, Johnny was a simp and all the character development, bravado and badassery he showcased in TLATD amounted to this; a meth'd up junkie who got demoted to vice president of his own club and someone who lets his girl screw around with random men as long as they can get their high.
Rip Johnny. He'd be badass character to receive a mission from in GTA 5 Online :(
yes .... they can make a set of flashback missions where johny and some new members build a new chapter in blaine county by killing members of vagos and many other small gangs
@@rahulverma8774 couldnt imagine this in online mode
@@iambatmanbtw4673 They somehow managed to add franklin & lamar missions in online mode
So this is possible too
But i dont think R* will do it
Since they are busy in taking down modders and making gta 6
y iknow about these missions thats why i thought about it for a sec they did it well with getting high while f and L sit near but i dont know how they could do this flashback without it making no sense in relation to the online character bc u are in war with the lost and know none of them@@rahulverma8774
@@rahulverma8774 He will appear in GTA Online. He will return as a ghost and is going to be part of the "ghost hunt" event. Johnny's ghost will be at his death site and he can be heard shouting his final words over and over.
To me it doesn’t make sense for Johnny to leave Liberty City to end up living in a Trailer Park like wtf.
When you’re hooked on drugs it doesn’t matter where you live only thing that matters is when your next high is
Yep. Nothing here really makes sense, especially why the leader of a biker gang is suddenly so paaaathetic.
Also, one of the main reasons why Johnny and The Lost left LC is because he was hunted by Ray's criminal organization, not knowing Ray was killed by Niko
Ray bulgarin was killed by luis lopez not niko
@@rahulverma8774No they meant Ray Boccino
@@rahulverma8774pretty sure it’s whatever you pick at the end money or revenge
No idiot. Johhny stopped worrying about Ray when Stubbs told Johhny not worry about him. He’s aware of Ray’s death kid. Jesus Chris, do y’all not pay attention to the story??? Come on humans!!!
Why is klebitz fears Ray Boccino if klebitz can kill prison guardmen easily??
From Chad to SIMP. What. A. Shame.
They wanted Trevor to be that dude when he really wasn’t. Lost MC would’ve really wrecked shit but rockstar had other ideas like some hoes
Because Rockstar said so, big L to them
@@user-bt1gb2wp2vexactly
@@user-bt1gb2wp2vbro still crying about this shit lmao get over it, Johnny is a fcking angel when u compare him to Trevor
Johnny let Ray and other sleep with his girlfriend.
Johnny was never a "chad" but a Cuck.
I'm a huge fan of GTA4 so Johnny K getting dropped so unceremoniously really did not sit well
Feels so out of place and lore how trevor ended his life. At the end of gta iv tlad you are more left alone with your thoughts on how the ex lost mc members would live. But then its just a huge kick in the face seeing johnny being an addict somehow and still in this kind of relationship with ashley after all that happend. A huge insult for everyone who played johnny trough his story. He is being treated like a generic side character in gta v after all the player saw him fighting through. Also his reaction towards trevor is so wrong! Since when does Johnny K be so weak and not fighting back?
I did not like GTA4 so I lol'd hard
Exactly they wanted to push Trevor being more badass when he’s not. And it’s the gayest thing ever. Lost MC were probably the hardest mfs in the game. Johnny would’ve stepped on Trevor let’s keep it real Trevor not as crazy as they make him out to be
@@user-bt1gb2wp2v bro Trevor is just as crazy as he is Johnny is nothing compared to him the hell you on or you just mad that you’re stupid Johnny died?💀
Only brain dead Zoomers like Trevor lol
rip johnny i will never forget you man
Brothers for life, Lost forever. R.I.P Johnny Klebitz.
lost but not forgotten
Johnny at the end of tlad was heavily depressed because of the alderney chapter of the lost being destroyed, and most of his friends dying or betraying him and him being forced to kill some of them. He couldn't find any other way of life except his gang so he moved out of liberty city to start over in the blaine county chapter of the lost, however he was still depressed so in the end he started doing meths all the time as a way to escape his problems and got back in a relationship with ashley too because she was also addicted to meths. This lead to him becoming weak and tired of fighting so even though he didn't like Trevor banging his girlfriend he realized he couldn't do anything about it in the state he was in. The johnny in gta 5 was already a ghost of the tough guy who took no sh!t from anyone that he used to be in tlad, because Rockstar chose to make him surrender to his issues instead of fighting to pull himself out of them and find a new purpose to live. Bad writing for such a character, but perhaps a realistic one too. I think the "moral" of his story is that in the end Johnny really was Lost and Damned...
It’s not really “bad” writing it’s just the fact when some ppl’s are at their lowest they turn to drug to cope
Finally! I found a person who didn’t blame Ashley in Johnny’s downfall.
@@Spartak2811She was a contributing factor for how much Johnny has fallen since the GTA IV DLC. But, you’re right. Johnny is a grown man with personal responsibility. I wonder why his fellow brothers couldn’t help him.
@@ManyPeregrine81 of course, she was a factor in these toxic relationships, but Johnny made this choice by himself. He could move on, leave his past and start a new life. But Uncle T was right when he said “Man was weak”. He was weak, not only for Ashley but for himself. And don’t forget something main: Johnny and Ashley grew into each other, hell, they were childhood friends. They knew each other since sandbox. He couldn’t let her out of his mind, neither she did.
@@Spartak2811tbf at the end of tlad rockstar had showed that Johnny was moving on, from ashley and his gang and everything else, he was still strong. Then they made a completely 360 on his character when they reintroduced him in gta 5 showing us that he had surrendered to his problems, became a junkie and got back with ashley. It was simply a Rockstar's bad choice to change johnny's character just to have an excuse to kill him off to boost trevor as a new protagonist.
Toxic people like ashley are relentless and will use anything to weasel back into your life. It makes more sense if you ever had someone like Ashley that you fell for and had a hell of a time getting rid of them.
Johnny klebitz is basically gta's john marston.
Yes his theme also Fits in for a cowboy like john marston
I would say that the fate of Johnny Klebitz as a character was much much worse than John Marston. As much as I love John Marston as a character, his fate made sense and gave a clear and strong message. The fate of Johnny Klebitz however, doesn’t make any sense. And it certainly didn’t add anything to the story at all.
You get the same feeling as seeing Joel gets killed like trash in tlou 2
@@johanbatcron1206john was literally forced and tricked into arresting his old gang who betrayed him while his family was being held until he arrested them and was promised freedom only for him to be killed after getting tricked, johnny turned into a junkie and died cause of ashley and drugs lol its not close at all whos fate is worse
Johnny K's downfall into drug addiction and eventual death at the hands of trevor was just really bad writing from a company that wanted to dispose of the character as fast as they could
Thats pretty braindead take. Shit like this happens, irl too someone who you tought was smart and strong ends up with bad group becoming drug addict.
Isn’t it funny how gta v is based in fake Hollywood so it doesn’t surprise me they pulled a Hollywood move on him
You guys really don’t understand how easy it is for someone as toxic as Ashley to weasel you into your life especially after all Johnny’s been through. Him being the way he was in 5 makes perfect sense
Bros an idiot
@Beranus You're a really braindead person 😂. It was crap writing, and Rockstar has a history of being petty and doing unnecessary things. Shilling isn't healthy
All this could have been avoided had Johnny just brought the money to Ray Boccino following the botched diamond deal. Things could have been so much different, Jim would still be alive, Ray and his goons wouldn't have trashed the Lost clubhouse, Jim and Angus would have more than likely kept Johnny from going over the deep end and he would have likely stayed away from Ashley. The Alderney chapter would still be going.
But because of Johnny's greediness, it cost him pretty much everything. I believe that incident was one of the major deciding factors as to why the club was moved to San Andreas and why Johnny got into drugs in the first place and for all we know he could have become addicted before the move out west and that could explain how he got back together with Ashley, he more than likely felt guilty for how things turned out following the events of The Lost and Damned and just didn't care anymore, It's crazy how many things can change because of one choice.
GTA 4 was master class writing by Rockstar. All the three stories (Niko's and DLC) blend in together perfectly.
I thought the angels of death trashed the clubhouse?
@@xaneizationno it was Ray and his ppl because Johnny stole the money after Luis shot at them but he probably was planning on doing from the start even Niko came back and told Ray the bike took the money
@@roxasbaker Yeah and after the mission No Way on the Subway, Niko calls Ray and tells him he got rid of the bikers and that Johnny wasn't there, but Ray tells Niko the other guys are mean't to be taking care of him, so after Johnny survived that ambush by Ray, he had his goons trash the clubhouse during the final mission of The lost and damned.
I always assumed it was Johnny, Terry and Clay who trashed the clubhouse and then lit it on fire because the gang meant nothing anymore after Billy's betrayal and so by destroying the clubhouse was like burying the gang's memory aswell which is also a reason that makes gta 5 events have no sense since in there johnnt and the others are still part of the lost like nothing had happened.
Moral of the Story, dont do drugs kids
Trevor mixes meth with gasoline. Gives him superpowers or something.
Johnny's story is pretty tragic ngl
Why? He is a cruel gang member and killer. Why would you feel sorry for him? He is evil person.
@@starlaixystarjust because he was a gangster doesn't mean that he was evil
@@SpeedGamermanHe was just like Trevor back in his prime but turned into a hot mess. Trevor did drugs to and had more trauma but learn to cope in anger then depression. I guess Trevor was always more superior then Johnny mentally and physically plus. Trevor is damn near why the whole game went smoothly for all 3 protagonists in the end.
Si@@SpeedGamerman Since when I missed the part where gangsters are good
@@starlaixystarexplain why people feel remorse for trevor? He is the most dangerous character and he has literally the biggest fanbase(i am not happy for that)
Still believe they wanted to raise Trevor's credentials by having him kill johnny, instead for me i was hating every second of being trevor and killed him without even considering the other options
Based
Agreed
Me too. Fuck Trevor, because he was only egoistic and crazy. But Johnny was in his heard a good Man. He didn't deserve a dead like this.
Bro atleast Trevor wasn't some heroin shooting gay biker that thought riding a motorcycle is badass lmfao
Fanboy
I still consider Johnny's aftermath to be something of a tragedy, he should never went out the way he did but crystal got him and all thanks to his so called ex who he should never got back with.
One of my favorite protagonists too
Ten years and still not over this
This did break my heart. Johnny was my favorite in GTA 4
A quote always stuck to me in the Lost and Damned. Besides Johnny's famous line "A brother bout to stab you in the back, a woman certainly will, but a bike will never let you down."
The line I'm referring to is what Clay asks to Terry and Johnny.
"If you had to give one of them up brother's, which would it be, bikes or women?"
And Johnny says "I wanna say women, but I know I'm weak for them".
So unfortunately despite how hard Johnny tried to let go of Ashley, he couldn't do it. But in the end it was Ashley that got Johnny killed.
The dlc for gta 4 was legendary. Always left a bad taste in my mouth that they did johny character that way
Gonna get hate, but Johnny's story made sense to me. He's a tough badass in TLAD, sure, but he loses his whole club, most of his closest friends, and basically everything he knows goes tits up by the end. That sort of thing can break a man. Then here comes Ashley again with her habit, only Johnny's broken and apparently trying to rebuild his club now. Yeah, I can see him falling into meth as a way to cope. Yeah I can see him reviving the club and taking it national as a way to relive the good old days. No wonder he's such a pushover for Ashley, its basically all he has left of his old life, save for Terry and Clay but they're in the same spot themselves.
I agree. All these people crying about his death are soft. Honestly, anyone involving themselves with that much violent activity and a women who can’t beat addiction is highly likely to end up dying the way he did.
@@amoeba_xI didn't mind his death, it was the way they did it that was the problem. Gave him the Joel treatment just for the shock value, it was cheap and kinda lazy. They should've made killing Jonny a mission after Trevor destroys most of the Lost. Could've made for a cool last mission for the Sandy Shores area before Trevor headed to the city in search of Michael.
@@2ndTooth Johnny´s treatment was worse than Joels. They made Trevor fuck his lover, beat the shit out of him after shaming him and treating him like a slave bitch which Johnny basically just accepted. Can´t break an ex-protagonist and a fanbase more than that.. It was heartbreaking but hey this is sometimes the world we live in. It was to show that Johnny had totally fallen from his prime and succumbed to addiction. Paints a damn great picture of what addiction does to people, even the once "virtuous" and "honorable".
Tbh if Johnny had left his crack addicted Girlfriend and had no distractions leading the Lost and Damned, Trevor would definitely be the one killed instead
He would've been dead or they would've been partners, long before Johnny was killed
Definitely not what makes you think Trevor would go down so easy lol he does meth way more than Johnny and still crushed his weak ass
The truth is Johnny fell into his bad habits and became a shell of his former self. It’s a realistic take on how the strongest people turn out in the long run when they have to many vices. He went out with a whimper and had no one to blame but himself
Yet Trevor's many vices give him superpowers, thanks to Mickey Mouse writing..... btw how exactly is this 'weak shell' is still the leader of bikers gang?
@@bdleo300 leader of a crew that always was dysfunctional? That skipped town after a civil war? Do you not realize the AOD was always the superior group of bikers?
To be honest i think they just killed him off as a way of showing how unstable and dangerous Trevor is and to shock the players. It didn't sit well when it happened but it was a powerfull moment. It goes to show that these kinds of people don't live happily ever after.
It did precisely what it was supposed to do - provide a cannon ending for Johnny and set the stage for Trevor. Tevor was likely going to wipe out the lost at some point anyway this was just a wild way to start it
I remember some leaked audio files came out about a week before the game went on official sale and this scene was part of it, people couldn't believe it
That's what happens to drug addicts
Remember kids, don´t do drugs and most importantly, avoid getting too bonded with toxic people like Ashley
Ashley can not be described as toxic there is. I word for he😂 and cheating on your boyfriend for a meth dealer and getting mad at him is crazy
Only kids? I thought all people
Sad im like johnny now addicting this stuff because the girl who betrayed me
Johnny should have stay alive
It was one of the most illogical event that rockstar made..
Rockstar script planner 1: hay we have this psychotic protagonist that is meant to represent the player when they play GTA games like people tend too...how do we make him look tough and crazy?
Rockstar scrip planner 2: let's have him kill Johnny from the last game!
Rockstar script planner 1: why would Johnny be in LS anywhere near Trevor or his activities? That would be the opposite of everything the game ended on.
Rockstar script planner 2: yeah, but I hate him almost asuch as we hate the fans, so fuck all that. They'd completely rewrite him as a sniveling meth addict continually chasing after some druggie girl who fucked her way around the country.
Rockstar script planner 1: ...
Rockstar script planner 2: trust me, it'll be great.
Me when I don't understand the story 😂
Realest comment here fuckin hatem yuppies at rockstar
@@JaireGordon Rockstar simps when desperately trying to defend cringe writing.
Lost but not forgotten.
Sad Rockstar gave up on an actual good character to boost a satirical looney tunes like character like Trevor
huh? are we paying th same game?
@@titanusgodzillaa4274idk but Johnny was a serious and actually good character while trevor is just a clown and a psychopath
@@thestrong2401 i wish that johnny handled it instead of being a pussy so that he would survive and we could start hangouts with him
@@thestrong2401I disagree. I think Trevor is actually a pretty deep and great character as well
@@thestrong2401Johnnys a fake badass how is that a good character?
When trying to help a drug addict, you must remember that you can only do so if they want to help themselves. Otherwise, the best thing you can do is make sure they don't drag you down with them. This is the lesson of Johnny and Ashley's story.
😢😢😢 I felt bad for Klebitz
you're a sucker just like johnny.. he was somewhat intelligent & level headed. but was weak & a sucker for that meth head gf. & it eventually caught up to him.
Why?
@@starlaixystar I'm a hardcore GTA IV fan Klebitz was the main character in TLAD you know
@@louisnapolitanoyeah but he a fake badass he should of fought back
@@cailloucaillou9217 yes he should, if only Rockstar writers were not so cringe.
I never cared for The Lost and Damned DLC or Johnny. But I was shocked to see him go down pretty easily. Also I was bummed they didn't bring back Luis Lopez or mention him at least.
Hopefully Luis shows up in GTA 6
Theres a picture of Luis on tonys desk in the nightclub in gta online but idk if it counts
@@PursuantMusic87 really? I haven't played GTA online in a while probably since like 2019 or so.
Nah because if did they’d prolly kick him off in the sorriest of ways
@@UKEDNHAT7Would be cool if Luis is related to Lucia
Addiction can get anyone. And people who are so against drugs are often times the ones who get hit worst
It wasn't the end of the Lost. It was the end of the New Guernsey ShoreSide Vales Chapter of the Lost.
A real life biker story
Tough guy biker becomes a meth head junkie
Most realistic ending
All he had to do was cut that addicted mess off and run, but no they made him stay with that horrible woman and become just like every other gta4 returning character, a shell of who they once were
just shows how dark gta 4 story really was tbh, like to me it's a pretty realistic human aspect, it's hard to cut the things we love/are addicted to in life it is hard to get rid of the things/ones we care for even for a badass tough dude like Johnny.
@@airboruto23Well men are enough stupid to feel in love with any woman. Even a toxic junkie or toxic idealist like Kate.
@@airboruto23 it wasn't dark ... it was just set in New York
@@badsiknius4862 trust me it was the story that made it dark not the city tho it helped add to it if that was the case tbogt would be gritty too
@@badsiknius4862 I'm in nyc myself I was excepting that dark movie vibe when I moved here but it's just nice lights and stuff all around all day/night lmao
In terms of character deaths, Johnny deserved better than what he got...
...But that's why what he got is so good, if you know his backstory.
At the end of GTA 4, he had ended his toxic relationship with Ashley, he stayed true to his convictions of staying off drugs, he saw to it that even after his gang had dissolved, those who needed looking after were still being looked after... He was strong, and respectable. It was a good end to his story.
But in real life, the story doesn't end just because you overcame something. Time still marches on, and you continue to live. And, in real life, not everybody who overcomes their problems are able to overcome them forever... In real life, people slip back into addictions. They re-enter toxic relationships. They fall back down. Such is the case with Johnny.
It's a tragic, realistic look at how strength, resolve, principles, and discipline can come and go. And how a once strong man can sink down into a shell of who he once was.
So yeah, Rockstar did him dirty. But the message is a necessary one.
Except Rockstar writers don't really care about any of this, they simply cheap used shock value and sacrificed a well established character from the previous game to promote their new favorite.
Brother just learned the word, “de facto”😭🤣
I didnt really mind Johnny's death. I mean yeah i felt sad and kind of upset he didnt go out in a better way. But i feel like thats how life can be some times. No matter how cool or capable you are, you could be snuffed out in a real shitty way without ever having a chance to do anything about it.
the angels of death became very weak during Billy's return and inevitable death
but a year later, the Angels of Death MC became or at least returned to their former glory with the help of Huang, so they decided to move to the outskirts of Lose Santos until Johnny Clay and Terry were Killed
the Lost MC became very weak until the Last Chapter has been put down by Trevor
also, just like Johnny Vic became weaker during the 2 years before Tommy got out of Jail and for 2 reasons the first was obviously Lance and the second is he is still heartbroken about Louis's death
When I will live the times when people will understand that Louise was toxic and bad person? Yes she was toxic and bad. Deal with it.
@darkangel3474
yep, but she wasn't as much as Ashley was
but you can't deny the impact she made on Vic's life
Ashley was a straight-up mess that Johnny had to break up with her before, but when he got addicted he got back with her
I mean, every woman in this game is toxic, starting from Maria until Amanda
but that doesn't mean males were off the hook on that part like the constant abuse of Marty made Louis so depressed
and Kendle was dating Ceaser just because Sweet was constantly yelling at her
and maria was just a normal woman until she married Salvatore (for being rich and powerful), but he doesn't treat her well and probably cheated on her or maybe for intimate reasons if you catch my drift
and also one of CJs GFs Denise was mostly hanging out at a vagos turf (for obvious reasons)
@@Suleiman2000 Simply I don't care because I hate female characters from Rockstar Games. Louise was the one who told Vic that he should control Marty business. She was the one who got him killed. Not only Lance.
@darkangel3474
of course but she didn't tell him to deal drugs
she thought it was only protection rackets and Loan sharking
but still not all Rockstar female characters are bad
I do like Zoe from Bully, and I respect the good and honest reporter from manhunt 1
as well as Mona Sax from Max Payne (despite not being made by Rockstar)
and the best female character is my all-time favorite female character among every none RPG game ones
it's Katie from GTA 4 (though it's very sad how it ended)
I don’t think you realize that there’s such thing as having multiple lost MC chapters all across the country. The lost mc Alderney chapter is the one that died out. But the lost mc chapter of Blaine county has always been there and was still around. So they didn’t “reactivate” it. All they did was just move across the country to join their brothers in the Blaine county chapter. Not a hard concept to understand.
Thing is Johnny says he would have cut his ties to Angus in a last phone after the game ending and destroying the clubhouse also meant Johnny and the others became renagades and didn't want to be a part of the lost gang anymore after what Billy had done to them, so it makes no sense they would just move across the country and join another Lost chapter
@@survived4679
Cringe
@@survived4679 Nobody cares, terrorist apologist
It’s also mentioned in gta5 that the fib had been chasing them across the country. Perhaps Johnny tried to leave the gang but with the heat on him constantly, he had to leave Liberty city. The other members just went with him. Along the way Ashley hitched along to be protected from the fib. Eventually the gang ended up in Sandy Shores. Where they met up with anther chapter of the lost. That chapter made their money with drugs. With Johnny being from anther chapter but still well known, perhaps they gave him the title of vice president. However Johnny couldn’t keep that chapter from selling drugs. It’s quite possible that the chapter of the lost used drugs as well. And some point Johnny got into them as well, because that was the culture of this chapter. Ashely may have even gotten clean during their travels across the country. But once they hit sandy shores, she got back into them. The sandy shores chapter of the lost may have been even the last chapter left of the lost.
Oh, you mentioned my comment I wrote in the comment section of your previous video. I appreciate that.
This was hard for me as I just finished the lost and the damned when the new GTA came out. I went from riding a cycle and being a badass to watching him get curb-stomped in the same month.
This is what drugs do to people. And considering that Trevor is a heavy meth addict himself, probably some day someone will put him down, just like he put down Johnny, even if he survives in canon ending.
Rockstar did that because they received a lot of backlash for making a game where they made a biker gang seem cool. That death of Johnny was them giving in on the criticism
Love Johnny
Rip
I feel like they should have saved Johnny and maybe killed off Clay or Terry. That way in the game they don’t refer to the lost as random bikers and instead refer to them as Johnny. Save him until the death wish ending so his death feels earned in the ending. Definitely would’ve been a better antagonist than the O’Niels.
this is a really great idea, just replace Johnny with any O’Niel brother in Trevor’s introduction and have Johnny slowly decay throughout the story and because of Trevor’s actuons
Unfortunately Rockstar decided to remove Johnny Klebitz from GTA 5.
They simply sacrificed him to make Trevor look badas s. Cheap writing.
And ppl thought Joel Miller had a bad death.
Yeah it's really messed up How they did Johnny But I think the point is It doesn't Matter how badass you are drugs can change you and ruin your life
Honestly the worst part is Ashley is not even worth all that trouble in the first place
Rockstar makes a ghost and all of a sudden Johnny is the best protagonist throughout the franchise
Guess they showed that not all of the main protagonists in the Grand theft Auto series will have a happy ending. Also I read the reason they picked Johnny to die because he was the most underrated character in the GTA IV games.
Finally
Edit:I need to see a woman who helps the mc all we see are women destroying or hurting the mc Like Claude,Michael
Only person who we see have a good relationship with a women interesting enough was Trevor but he also has deep trauma from women too
Ling helped huang
Best "DONT DO DRUGS" educational video ever
Sad to see your video taken down, but this reupload is definetly an upgrade. I'm still kinda pissed at Rockstar for ruining johnny
He broke up with Ashley, but it is clear it wasn't the first time they broke up so they likely became a thing again after few years. Johnny by the time of TLaD lost best friend, got betrayed by his other friend to who he looked up to, whatched how gang split into two hostile factions and ultimately had clubhouse by Ray's goons. Simply to many things happened that broke him he lost almost everything so after making up with Ashley he was dragged by her into addiction to meth. Losing so much and being exposed to toxic person influence is just enough to destroy someone.
I'll probably get hate for this but I don't think the idea of having Trevor kill Johnny, another GTA Protagonist, to raise his psychopathy value to a max was an entirely bad idea. But they could have executed it differently.
It would have been interesting if we chased the Lost MC to their trailer park and after killing all the bikers, Johnny just comes out with his signature Sawn off Shotgun and is way more faster, intelligent and accurate with his shooting and has slightly more average health than that of a regular NPC so that he puts up a bit of a fight. And then when Johnny's on his knees, we can choose to spare him or kill him.
Knowing most who have played TLAD will spare him and he rides away never to be seen again. That way his fate is determinant.
Or he could've been an alluring threat to Trevor throughout the game and he's one of the people we off in The Third Way. Imagine Johnny as an antagonist. That would've been hella cool. That would've raised Trevor's badass-ness to a max knowing he took down Johnny and his entire Motorcycle gang that we once had control of.
It’s actually kinda bullshit because it made everyone in gta seem weak
I love Retcons that make one of the best GTA protagonists into one of the worst, make his entire 40 hour DLC completely pointless and then kill him off in the most pathetic, unceremonious way possible to the point that you can't even tell it's him right away. GTA 5 shouldn't be canon.
We can try to build our own backstory to why Johnny ended up getting killed in the manner he did or why the change in his character was so drastic, you did a good jobb of speculating. I dont think rocsyar thought about his nearly as much. They just wanted to show the player how crazy and insane Trevor was and new that we would go crazy if we saw Trevor kill a player we already knew. And storyline wise it made more sense to have Trevkr kill Johnny than Nico or Luis. Plus then in the subsequent missions Trevor could keep attacking the bikers. Where is he had killed Luis or Nico the crazyness would have ended there. It was lowkey bullsh*t, im not gonna lie.
most of us will never get over how rockstar did johnny and vic vance dirty, i mean i know vic vance was an after thought because technically he dint exist in vice city until rockstar decided to make vice city stories and say its vic in the into in a Q&A. like they took on the world only to be cheap shot very quickly, well johnny did, vic got lit up by a firing squad that had armor piercing weapons basically.
to think after all of what Johnny did to Rescue Ashley, she ends up dying of an overdose anyway when heard on the radio if Trevor didn't run her over in the opening scene
lost his gains and his brains Johnny is one of my favourite GTA Chracters really sucks how he went out.
I just know that it felt amazing playing as him
There was also a WEASEL news broadcast where reporter said that lost MC gang was dead in 2008 but now they are back in business, he also claimed that they are more powerful in blaine county than they were in liberty city probably bcz blaine county was like wild west of gta
Drugs destroy everyones history
Remember Grove St? The whole point of GTA San Andreas was to revive GSF and at the end we take over all of Los Santos. They were just lazy and thought they could make a better story. Bad endings are good sometimes but not when it’s just to forget about it like it never happened.
I never played through the entirety of GTA 4 as my first GTA game, so when I finally did after playing GTA 5's campaign and made the connection of who Johnny was, I realise how dirty they did him with Trevor.
Johnny deserved at least a little of a boss fight in GTA V.. also, makes no sense the way Trevor can be killed by the end.. seriously? Running away from someone? Was so out of character. He was loyal, yes.. but running away? Nah. The guy was a "walking apocapypse" like Michael said.
The fact he got killed so easily and fast is sad
It gives the same vibes a "billy Joel got killed like trash from tlou 2"
We're mad and still not over with it till this day
Not just sad but completely nonsensicaI
I still can't believe that rockstar did Johnny like this. Him and Trevor would've gotten along really well. They should've made the angels of death be Trevor's enemies instead of the Lost MC.
In the end Trevor put him out of his misery. He was a pathetic shadow of the former badass he was in GTA IV
Do you have a video about Billy Grey? because for some reason he kinda reminds me to Trevor when he suddenly wanted to takeaway all the competition in the bussiness
He moved to California, that's what befell him.
gta 4 was like a neo noir movie which like tells dark side of life but gta 5 was like comedy movie.
I think the Los Santos chapter of The Lost M.C already existed and the remnants of the Liberty chapter simply transferred
“Drugs ain’t shit. You’re my drug”
Okay chill out, Kesha
Meth addiction led to the downfall of Johhny Kleibitz
His face in GTA V points towards his addiction
The same meth addiction led to the rise of Trevor
Johnny K went the way of Billy Gray. A sad irony. Like how Kate's advice to Niko got her killed.
If Niko was smart he would killed Pegorino immediately after killing Rascalov. He was too stupid not realising that Pegorino will be furious for not accepting the deal because he lost everything, Niko betrayed him and he won’t let it.
But where the drama in this? I don’t see the drama as I didn’t feel nothing about Kate’s death. She was unpleasant and disgusting.
You sound dim
As much as I want to feel bad for Jonny he is part of the Lost MC which is what our character is rivals with
When rockstar made great story DLCs instead of online garbage. The lost and damned is one of my favorite DLCs ever.
As a GTA 4 player with 11 years of experience, even i hated how they screwed his character, back then when GTA 5 was out. i never tried or played it when i kept playing 3, Vice City, SA and even the psp game ones. eventually when got to play gta 4 on my own instead of having turns from my older brother. i was amazed of the game way more than 5, around 2018 when i saw a video of the "Mr Philips" mission on RUclips and decided to watch it. I was shocked snd pissed at the same time where i had to watch Trevor kill Johnny. i was disappointed and upset at what i had to watch thats where it all started for me to hate Trevor for that. tho not anymore since the start of late 2019 and early 2020. nowadays i get to have experience on GTA 5 for the first time. as an adult, back then it wasn't my type of interest and had to play 4 more than to try 5. watching Johnny's death in 5 to this day still disappoints me. just what the hell were they even thinking....
Not everything is a happy fairytale ending, remember that kid.
So you just watched this whole vid and still came to that dumbass conclusion
Cheap shock value, they sacrificed a well established character from the previous game to promote their new favorite.
You miss that the gang started in San Andreas. Maybe they just simply wanted to return to their roots.
Lost and Damned's ending was incredibly depressing, and Johnny was a whiny bitch from the beginning. It actually makes plenty of sense for him to go out the way he went.
Great video but I’ve always wondered what happened to the Angels of Death after gta iv?
thats why i killed trevor at the end of gta v
Chad
We would have not put 2 seconds of thought if it was the AOD....but being the Lost the ones we kill....its been 10 years and people are not over it😅
It's painful but Johnny's downfall makes sense. Moving out west, he lost his anchor of who he was. He was no longer top dog not even second top dog. He was lost in Los Santos and Ashley was his only tie to when he was a top dog.
This helped drag him down to her level.
Klebitz in gta 4: 🗿🗿
Klebitz in gta 5: 🤓🤓
Hot take: People who see Johnny’s death as some kind of disrespect are the reason video games will never be accepted as another art form.
I beg to differ. Some people think Johnny deserved it, others hated what happened to it. People debate art all the time
@@the_other_jackal The problem is the refusal to see past “Ashley got him hooked on meth,” without even looking at the wider scope of TLAD. The detractors of “that scene” hail Johnny as some kind bAdDaSs despite the fact that TLAD revealed him to be a greedier slightly level-headed version of Billy Grey. It turned out Grey was never messing with people bigger than him, hence his arrangement with the Chinese. The Angels of Death weren’t half the level of threat some of the other organizations the Lost went up against were, that Johnny led them into. Johnny ironically ends up being exactly what he accused Billy of being. Billy just wanted Johnny dead. Johnny ended up robbing the mafia and solidified the ending of the Liberty City chapter of the Lost. Folks never take that whole aspect into account that led him to being underneath Trevor’s boot; it wasn’t just Ashley.
That one little scene in TBOGT is such a brilliant giveaway.
@@well1012 I wholly agree. I actually replayed TLaD recently and realised that Johnny was, even from the start, a pretty snake-ish individual. He had no reason to rip off Ray Boccino the way he did, and that pretty much signed his downfall, alongside the deaths of several Lost members.