The actual reason of DSG failing in India on previous days because of VW and Skoda cars were producing more torque than official claim , that's why the DSG(DQ250) especially of their Diesel vehicles weren't able to handle that extra Torque Rush hence they over-heated and sometimes they fails . I'm damn sure that today's 1.5 TSI is also producing more power than claimed ones , that's why it's beating new Verna Turbo even with less Power/weight ratio .
The earlier DSG DQ200 failures were due to short circuits in the Mechatronics due to using synthetic gear oil. They have since switched to mineral oil and failures have also reduced significantly. Premature clutch failure is mostly due to frequent clutch engagement in start-stop traffic. Like mentioned in the video, switch to Neutral during stops + switch to manual mode (hold onto 1st gear) in creeping traffic. My Vento TDI DSG started showing lethargic gear shifting with only about 35K on the odo (90% city traffic). I got the gearbox oil and Mechatronics fluid changed (genuine VW fluids only) at an independent garage and voila, the shifts have become smooth all over again and D3-D2 jerking is almost gone as well. Don’t believe in the “sealed-for-life” transmission oil BS.
My Vento crossed 1lac+ km , I asked service centre when to change transmission oil? they replied it's filled for lifetime 😅 . Which grade and quantity required for oil change ?
VW ki sena as you guys say are just car automobile lovers like you both gagan and vikas. They are not irrational and neither stupid as you highlight them to be. They love their cars as much as any other car Enthusiast does. If you observe them with open mind, they do acknowledge if other cars are better performer than their own brands as well. Coming to the drag race, Slavia vs Verna '23 which was the elephant in the room. The drag in your channel showed verna faster than Slavia which is totally cool considering 10 more bhps. But also, those so called tagged "VW sena" by you, also did a drag between virtus and verna and results were different slightly where Virtus stays ahead for the most part and Verna very gently surpasses between 120-140 and then virtus again overtakes verna beyond 140 kmph. Conclusion? Both the cars are almost equal when it comes to Performance. A lot of it depends on the driver, launch styles in the drag race, tyres, fuel type and other car specific factors. In real life, a regular common man won't even feel much difference between the two because drag race koi nahi karta real life conditions and lifestyle mein. I respect you both as automobile journalists but it is VERY SAD, to see people fighting and tagging each other with certain names like "VW ki sena" and what not. Please stop doing that. VW does make great cars, no doubts. Niggles have been existent, yes, mostly in the VW 2.0 initial manufactured cars which VW should have checked before rolling out the cars and that has been a pain in the rear for a lot of people, BUT, these have also been RECTIFIED now. A company which starts listening, if not sooner but later, is better than a company which does not take any action at all. I think VW is trying to be a better brand today than it was. Support these brands which are trying to bring superior driving quality and experience. And if they are lacking and being faulty in some aspects (like any other car brand), give them feedback and help them give us even better experiences. But, STOP THESE TAGGING OF NAMES LIKE "VW KI SENA". VW does make great cars and Infact superior in a lot of ways than Koreans. That's a truth. FACT: Before you tag me as another "VW Fanboy". I had owned a suzuki, 2 Hyundais back to back in my family. Amazing cars I must say. I shifted to VW in 2018 with 2 VWs in my fleet and my experience has been better in every way of ownership and driving than the Hyundais and Suzukis. I am not biased towards any brand, but, judging on the basis of factual experience, Germans have an edge. Although I totally agree, localisation has led to cost cuttings in some areas which aren't that bad either. YOU BOTH ARE GOOD JOURNALISTS. PLEASE DON'T TARNISH YOUR IMAGE. STOP SHAMING, TAGGING OR BEING BAISED AND BEING TOO CRITICAL ABOUT ONE BRAND IN PARTICULAR. Bring back the harmony! Everyone out there is a car enthusiast, esp, your target audience. If people like Hyundais, it is for their strengths, if people like VW's, it is for their strengths. Hope to see these fights and shaming and tagging end. Rivalry is exciting and good. But, tagging people who are mere car enthusiasts like you, it's NOT DONE!
Exactly I thought Vikas is a good genuine, unbiased reviewer but the way he mentioned VW sena and all those hate comments I've just unsubscribed him..... Paise ke chakkar main misguide karte hain aur faltu main defame karte hain acche brand ko. Unko Hyundai ki brake issues, DCT issues, paint issues, double standards nhi dekhte na hi woh kehte hain par VW se jara si chuk hoon ussi ko mudda banake logon ke samne dikhate hain
@@mrperfect971 Vikas and Gagan. Both are excellent reviewers. Impeccable presentation and approach towards their videos. But, all these are of no use if you are not professional and biased towards one brand. May be they have had some bitter experience with VW in the past but professionalism should stay and I really expect icn studio and gagan to get back to the stage where if they speak good, speak good about all the brands and their unique strengths. If they need to critisize, don't just stick to VW and it's cases but also highlight other brands which indeed have issues which goes unhighlighted. Shaming one particular brand all the time and ignoring the failures of other brands is just unprofessional and biased.
@@siddharthasamuel7259 the fact is they're showing and telling the information which was applicable back when TDIs were available..... At that time there were issues with the gearbox because the TDI produced more than 250 nm torque which caused the problem but with the TSI there are nearly zero problem reported with this combination. They're giving out dated information neither they mentioned VAG giving 7 years warranty on it. VAG made us realised the importance of safety which we were totally unaware especially in the budget in which polo was launched. Tata, Mahindra came into the game later with safety but still as of now they can't match the safety given by VAG. VAG showed Indians how safely built cars are. Ofc no company/car are perfect but when it comes to VAG they're near to perfect in driving dynamics, safety and performance which makes a car A CAR and not a gimmick. And this people are defaming them just for money. I don't understand how can they do so ? They've so many people and most importantly people aren't aware about so many basic things about cars that's why they've rely on auto journalist..... And as an auto journalist it's their responsibility and duty to give fair advice to people..... Who will be responsible if a buyer buys korean tin and bhagwan na kare highway pe koi accident hoon .... Who will be responsible for his life??? He himself and the whole family will suffer due to it. PLEASE YOU GUYS STOP SPREADING HATE TOWARDS A GOOD BRAND JUST FOR THE SAKE OF MONEY/ DUE TO UR PERSONAL OPINIONS. AND I'M PROUD TO SAY I'M A VW "FANBOY" OR A MEMBER OF VW "SENA" WHATEVER YOU SAY....... ATLEAST IT'S BETTER THAN LICKING OFF SOME KOREAN TWIN'S ........ Samjhdar ko ishara hi kaafi hain 🙂🙂🙂 no hard feelings ICN studio/ Vikas Yogi/ Gagan Choudhary but as a responsible auto journalist stop misguiding people and giving irrelevant old information.
@@mrperfect971 agree. Even i have a TDI 1.5, but manual and one of the gem of the engines to own that no other brand in this segment has been able to provide in diesels. Ford's diesel was the closest rival in its time. My second car is a vento 1.0 TSI, some self claimed car expert cum reviewers say it's laggy and underpowered, I along with a lot of owners of this engine find it most fun, rev happy and scalable engine VW ever made after 2.0 TDIs. I had owned Hyundais too, their NA engines are really good refined but their power degrades over a period of time which is what I noticed after 10 years of owning an i10 2010 model, but VW's engine even after 5 years of ownership still feels like new and ready to punch! My service and ownership experience has been impeccable and amazing. No complaints till date.
DCT is reverse engineered engine of the legendary DSG . You guys should get Munish from Sunderdeep singh and get his explanation about it. And know what is the real science
Simple baat hai, DCT is DCT. Best performance with lower reliability. If someone can’t afford to get it replaced out of warranty by paying 1-1.5L, better buy AMT/CVT/TC or even manual cars. But don’t expect that kind of performance. Performance and the pleasure of driving always comes at a cost.
Thank you Gagan & Vikas, it’s an important topic which you guys cover in Cartalaap, I follow the same practice of putting my CVT automatic (Honda City) in N mode while stopped for more than 1 minute at a red light. I understand the importance of overheating issue in gear box.
Disclaimer - by vw sena , they mean the group of people who blindly follow vw and argue with anyone who says anything bad about vw without understanding the opinion of other people That's why Vw sena and Vw lovers/followers are different
Call me vw fanboy yes forever The more koreans and other brands launches useless features for their customers to have a feel of a expensive car in affordable car in india the more i love vw cars especially my polo gt tsi dsg 2015 just pure driving pleasure, posh looks no shitty features.. Pro tips for people having planning to buy dsg cars Bumper to bumper use shift manually Always put the gear on neutral traffic stops Parking on a stiff patch first full press leg brake than handbrake than shift to park Never launch control slightly pull the car than pull heavily If you kinda launch control Avoid floods dont spray water underneath These are the top tips
Enough of polo nonsense with 100 or bit more bhp dese days infact few years back as well many many companies made n r making much better cars and repair n maintenance is negligible with better driving dynamics n car in driving mode than workshop mode n bank account paying mutual funds not workshops 😂
germans were pioneers in India at a time in automobile industries but homegrown Giants of Insdia surely have the products today to give these Germans a run for their money. So yeah VW owners do act like fanboys.
With the DQ200 the problem was being faced due to TDI generating more than 250 nm of torque...... As of now VW has provided max torque of 250 nm and have made necessary changes in it making it less prone to such failures. Since 3 years there are almost 0 issues faced regarding the DSG+TSI combination. Although I do agree the DSG/DCT/DCA (Tata) all these are not much suitable for high traffic areas (Mumbai, Banglore, Delhi) so if anyone is getting it there either get a manual or get a warranty against it..... Btw at 14:47 when u said bura lag jayega it's true bcoz VW is the pioneer of DSG and DCT is being made from reverse engineering 🙂🙂🙂 Ye sab apko pata hain na ??? Its like kisi Chinese company ne iPhone ke specs copy kar liye aur saste main phone launch kiya 😂😂😂
@@silveradoceramics6644 if you don't have problem with manual then go for it.... It's the best and now you have also got manual in Virtus as well (in case Slavia doesn't excite you). Although if you're not comfortable with manual then the question arises is what's your driving style ... If you like to drive enthusiastically hands down to 1.5 DSG but 1.0 TC is also a great option if you are not an enthusiast. Although still 1.0 can be driven hard and you will enjoy it too (not as much as 1.5 OFC) but it will give less efficiency than 1.5 TSI...... And I would suggest if u opt for 1.5 TSI DSG make sure to get the extended warranty.
Guys I have used Vento TSI 1.2L with 7 speed DSG. Total running of vehicle is 1.48 Lakh kms. Twice the Mechatronics, clutch and flywheel. First time at 90 K kms which was under warranty. ( saved 2 L due to extended warranty) . Now again at 1.48 L all these failed and I got them changed by paying ₹2.23 L . It’s best engine & gear box but very very costly to maintain post extended warranty. You need to plan a budget to own it. This is the reality.
With DSG I too faced similar problem which I managed with changing my driving pattern. The main issue which I faced is with lower gears, where they get confused between 1st and 2nd. Here I adopted to go for manual mode. Also I always preferred to go for neutral when on stops and signals. DSG is a fun to drive just we need to adjust to them.
I think even if you are in the M mode, the 2nd gear would already be in ready ( connected but not engaged yet). Atleast that’s what I understood from watching how DCTs work. But yeah it definitely helps you to save from unnecessary upshift-downshifts :)
The problem is more of sudden downshift from 2nd to 1st while driving slow on bumpy roads.. manual mode also doesn’t allow u to up shift unless u hit 2000 rpm mark. I drive virtus gt
@@docvik11 yeah, i face the same issue, after a software update, my DSG downshifts for no reason to 1st gear on uneven roads, sometimes with a clunk noise
The problem which auto companies do not want to admit is that the materials to construct proper DCT doesn't exist yet. You need a steel which has very low thermal expansion coefficient, very high shear modulus, very high shear strength, very high surface hardness. Plus in order to make the predictive shift work well, you need very good ambient sensing (radar+camera+IR) plus very intelligent algorithm optimised for the user as well as traffic condition. These are contradictory requirements.
The actual reason of DSG failing in India on previous days because of VW and Skoda cars were producing more torque than official claim , that's why the DSG(DQ250) especially of their Diesel vehicles weren't able to handle that extra Torque Rush hence they over-heated and sometimes they fails . I'm damn sure that today's 1.5 TSI is also producing more power than claimed ones , that's why it's beating new Verna Turbo even with less Power/weight ratio .
Bro vw claimed power figures are on wheels so definitely it makes more than 150bhp on crank whereas hyundai claims power figures based on crank that’s why they always show less power on dyno test but here the reason for dsg failure is more torque than 250nm at initial rpms but in petrol engines they made sure to that torque won’t be more than 250nm and that why they have given initial lag in new dsg so basically I don’t think we have to worry about dsg failures in 2.0 cars
What Gagan said regarding the slowness of engagement in the DCTs is exactly what Hyundai and Kia did via the software update. At the same time, actuator ya something was also replaced for the owners whose cars got stucked in ODD/EVEN gears. My honest review, the feels of the early days DCT days got changed due to this update. The updated DCTs felt more like a refined AT. :(
Hi. Can you pls advise on the below 1. How to drive and how not to drive a dct, considering that there is auto idle stop and auto hold function the car (Seltos FL)? 2. When you say the dct gearbox gets heated in bumper to bumper traffic - what would be the duration of that threshold typically?
What a gr8 video 🙏🏻. I too own an X Line Seltos and do follow some of the tips mentioned. - Put in N or P at red light. - Avoid sudden acceleration/braking - Parking brake in N then move to P. - Wait till I can Fully release brake in stop-go. Well this comes with a lot of honking from behind 😅
btw guys......i have been driving a DSG box (Q3) for 9 years, zero problem and very very smooth rides and very fast changes. I have had a brilliant stint !!
The only reason why i wont prefer a VW DSG dq200 gearbox is because I live in the Himalayas. The roads and weather here is unforgiving. dq200 fails miserably here in the hills
I have KIA Seltos GTX PLUS TURBO DCT 2022 model and I was frequently facing Transmission heating issue specifically during Bumper to Bumper traffic on inclined roads. However, eversince I started using Sports Mode (Manual Shift ) along with Paddle Shifters in such scenarios, I have NOT experienced the Transmission Heating issue. Therefore I strongly recommend to use Sports-Manual mode approach in such scenarios...!
Great podcast! Loved it! I have two cars with DSG- Polo GT TSI and the Octavia 2.0L Petrol (Dec 2022). One thing I would like to point out- when the car is stopped in D, the computer disengages the clutch and it causes no harm to the transmission. However, I put the transmission in N when stopped. But the research that I have done suggests that there is no harm caused to the transmission when in D and stopped say at a traffic light. One can see that the RPM drops to about 700 when the brake is applied and car is stopped. Also the 'Auto hold function' which applies the brakes when the car is stopped works only in the D mode. DSG is a fantastic gear box and I think much superior to the DCT of the Koreans.
DCT/DSG Vs TC or VW vs Hyundai - All are reasonably good in their own ways (Everything has its own pro/cons) and hence finally this boils down to more of a personal choice what you want to go for. But what I like about these guys are more of matured,unbiased and sensibility they bring into their discussion rather than forcing/biasing the audience to go for a certain brand. Otherwise noone would like to take a review//advice/suggestion from a FANBOYs(not sure paid or PR or whatever) who certainly have their inclination towards a certain brand and as always their reviews are so conclusive towards that one brand. P.S. VW is a winner when it comes to performance/safety but there are certainly 10 other parameters where maruti/Hyundai has excelled too to make their way to every other home in india happily :-)
I had such a terrible experience with Ford Ecosport PT AT 2015 model, its clutch system failed 2 times in 5 years of warranty, had to sell off the car.
Sharing my experience that I am driving rapid limited edition 2016 and it is 2.025 lakhs km driven 🤞and yes I switch to neutral at red lights and also I don’t accelerate fast from neutral, l do it slowly so as to dsg work as smoothly as possible and once it surpass 2nd gear then i go for faster acceleration. In my family except Fabia we have enjoyed dsg in Laura, superb and now in kushaq and Kodiaq 2022 models
Feels like we dodged a small bullet by going for the 2022 Hyundai Tucson 8 AT TC. Would love an technical video/comparison on the working and how to take care of DCT/DSG and Torque Converters. Thanks!
@@bhavanyadav1111You weren't exactly right there Sir. Not all you tubers were half-baked. FYI, all that was given in UM doesn't translate well in real life conditions. Not always! For example, Toyota manual for a certain model prescribes engine oil change at 10k km which ideally should be 6-7k kms in real world conditions. This, I say from 55 years of experience in the automobile world. The company doesn't wish its buyers to see oil change for their engine this frequent. You may or may not believe this. DSG/DCT being unreliable is a Fact, more so in India.. whether you like it or not. Pl don't make such sweeping statements. statements statements
As expected the VW fanbois are seething because apparently VAG can do nothing wrong, but if the same is said about other brands like Suzuki and Hyundai it's all ok lol. But props to y'all for making unfiltered content and showing the facts, this series has been quite interesting and informative. Having a bias towards a brand isn't going to help anyone, rather just perpetuate consumerism.
I have a jeep compass auto which has DDCT (Dry DCT). Every time I come to a stop in traffic i put it in neutral. My car has never shown heating symbol in city. It happened once in Sissu when I was stuck in a traffic jam on incline. It took half an hour to get to normal.
Bhai itna sirf batado ki aap logo ne aaj tak VW group ki gadi salo tak rakhi hai? I have seen VW customer who are not switching to any other brand. They’re switching to BMW/Audi. So, don’t comment just like that . .
We own MG Hector DCT Sharp with 34,550/- Kms not even single time transmission has break down or overheated I love cars very very much I genuinely care about them being old school I made sure that for 1st 10,000/- (1st major service oil change) we never pushed car hard always use to accelerate gently in city as well as on highway conditions didn’t cross speed of 90 kms/hr touch wood till now no problem with the engine as well as transmission.
I have a Vento DSG TDI. I always put the transmission in P mode when I encounter a traffic signal. more than 80k done. Car is working fine. I live in a city with moderate to very little traffic. And we do have long highway trips too. One thing I can say is I love the DSG gearbox. In my next car too I would not go for any other transmission.
Another thing we can consider here that lot of OEMs, especially the EU OEMs deliberately reduce the product lifecycle. They want consumers to buy newer cars every year or buy spares(which are already designed to take longer labour hours to replace) which are the main ways OEMs earn margins. Well, we cant do much here. Lets consider our risks and enjoy these beautiful machines!
One this we have to agree is DSG is amazing. DSG cannot be compared with any other transmission. DSGs are Makkhan smooth. I am using DSG and next car will be again DSG. Even it fails, i am ok but i will not drive any other cars with any other transmission.
Good for you bro. As you said, even it fails, keep driving DSG. What is the worst that will happen.. you might get stuck in some forest or pahaad. Big deal. You keep driving DSG bro. I'm with you.
Please make a video on build quality of hyundai and maruti cars. How they are saving money and making their customers fool by selling them highly unsafe cars.
Are Hyundai's CVT (IVT) as reliable as Honda's and Toyota's? Does IVT of Hyundai helps control the Rubber band effect in any significant rate as compared to other brands CVT transmission?
Hi Gagan/Yogi, I have Slavia DSG. Would it be helpful if I drive it always on sports mode as it changes the gear less frequently. Also if I need to wait for 5-10 min and wand my ac to be running should I put it in P mode with handbrake pulled. Please reply !!
Great video sir people nowdays are buying cars without even knowing their cons it is as important as knowing pros of the whole product some so called fanbois influencers are spreading a wrong message which need to be stopped.
I found it very informative, they have explained in a very Layman language how traditional and new DCT transmission works and might get into trouble with heating issues. But I would love Sunderdeep Ji whom I follow very much and appreciate his work to react on this DSG/DCT gearboxes, Dry clutch and not suitable for Indian weather and traffic conditions.
तुम्ही दोघांनी आज फारच महत्वपूर्ण माहिती सांगितली आहे, खूप खूप आभारी आहे. कारण मी 2022 रोजी vento ऑटोमॅटिक tsi घेतली या अगोदर माझ्याकडे honda city gxi CVT ऑटोमॅटिक होती, आमच्या परिवारात अगोदरच 3 vento आहेत त्यातील एक मेन्युअल डिझेल आणि दोन ऑटोमॅटिक dsg डिझेल मध्ये आहेत त्यामुळे मी सुध्दा honda city वरून vento वर शिफ्ट झालो. तुम्हा दोघांचे सर्व व्हिडिओ पाहतो आणि तुम्ही दोहे एकत्र असताना खुप धमाल करता, तुम्हा दोघांना असे हसतमुख पाहून खूप आनंद वाटतो आणि व्हिडिओ पाहताना देखील आनंद वाटतो खूप छान माहिती मिळते, असेच महत्वपूर्ण व्हिडिओ अपलोड करत रहा, तुम्हा दोघांना मनापासून धन्यवाद आणि खूप खूप शुभेच्छा ❤
DSG is complicated by nature and VW/Skoda Service technicians add the icing on the cake. I sold my Virtus GT DSG yesterday after 20k kms and horror stories. I am strongly not recommending the current 1.5s from VAG. Please get a Maruti and live in peace.🙂
Torque converter is a jack of all trades. But in general each transmission needs some middle ground - Toyota's torque converters with a lock-up clutch, Honda's CVTs with a launch gear and now VW's DCT with slower shifts.
This couple (not in that sense) :D is very engaging to listen to. I hope more and more podcast are coming along. If you can then please increase the length of the video to 30mins. Love the Podcast !
I wonder why don't you guys criticized the Hyundai and Maruti for their bulid quality and braking issues (specially in Hyundai current generation cars) like you did it for VW group for their DSG issues. I think Maruti Suzuki and Hyundai is paying you guys enough to pin point and defame the brands like VW. We guys (VW ki sena) is never pin pointed a particular brand we do appreciate the cars like Honda City, S cross and Tucson, Innova, Altroz, Tiago. But I don't know what happen to you guys I always thought that you guys are unbiased auto journalists but I was wrong. Unsubscribed both of you.
I will prefer TC with Diesel engine, Reliable and efficient. My own experience with creta 1.6 auto dsl, 1.5 lac Kms on oddo and no hiccups whatsoever in delhi ncr region and yearly trips to Hills
Judging by some comments i think some VW fans ego's getting hurt. Come on guys every brand has some niggles to some extent try to digest negatives of your respective car brand as well.
@@mandeepsingh9469 times are changing my friend. Jaake dekhle, Hyundai i30 N and other cars are competing with VW sport cars like GTI and Golf. I really like vw cars as well but I am not even kidding that jab vw ke fans baaki gaadiyon ko nicha dikhane ki try karte hai tab aata hai gussa. Let people like what they want. Verna vs Virtus wali cheez pe bohot ego rubbing ki thi vw fans ne. Live and let live.
@@shreyasmaheswari9052 we just compare other cars side by side with same segment vw cars and those other cars always fails and comes out inferior in terms of fit finish, paint quality, safety, dynamics and performance but we always appreciate good products from other brands but hyundai maruti tata mahindra in terms of overall quality just too inferior in front of vw skoda then how can we appreciate those shit boxes coming at a price where vw is giving everything of premium quality . This literally means that other brands are just looting Indians by just offering gimmicks features and cutting cost in almost everything except stupid features . and yea for every i30n there is always a golfR, and for every elantra n there is always a jettaGLI and octavia vrs and for every i20N there is always a polo gti and every tucson there is always a tiguan all space and kodiaq so every car of vw skoda I compared to hyundai rivals is more car per car and best vfm at its price
@@Car_Factory_007 that’s not ego pal, that’s called sentiments. We love vw for a reason not just andhbhakt fanbois if we don’t like something in vw we raise our voice against that too and vw listens us too . Like we have raised our voices against poor roof lining, trunk door spring problem, manual in 1.5tsi and black color. All these queries have been resolved by vw then how can we deny that fact that vw is the only brand in india delivering all rounder cars at a price of tincans
1. How to Pickup DCT on traffic slopes 2. How to drive DCT in bumper to bumper traffic - D to N or Keep it in D if it is less than 20-30 secs? 3. On slopes while parking P & Handbrake both to be used? 4. Normal Parking what is required only P or even handbrake is also required? 5. While car comes at halt is the idle practise to put from D to N, apply handbrake, then R To P? 6. Advisable to use Manual gear modes in downhill & uphill? 7. While driving at certain speed 50kmph i shifted into manual mode what will happen? All Qs are Based on DCTs only. If you could make a video on this would be really helpful.
1 - most cars with dct have hill assist will which hold your car for 5 seconds after releasing break. After that your car will start moving. But 5 secs are more than enough for dct to make you car move. auto hold is used while you are in incline or decline traffic. You can just put gear on neutral N. 2. In bumper to bumper traffic when you feel like you likely have to wait there for several secs, you put N gear. It can even be for 10 secs. 3. When you stop you car(switch off), you put you gear in park P. and always use handbreak regardless of situation. 4. Same as point 3 5. when car comes to halt, it depends you going to wait there or you in traffic. I think point 2 cover it 6. no need to use manual gear until unless you want to have fun 7. Yes you can do that. When you put in manual. It will be in the same gear and now you can upshift or downshift.
@@Adup5724 That was really helpful. Just a small doubt when you are in bumper to bumper traffic in SLOPES how shall we drive a dct? Just put from N TO D & drive or use manual mode bcz if we use D gear will always play between 1 & 2?
@@shalinshah2305 Great you find it helpful. See when you are in long traffic jams, you should use manual mode(sport mode). For traffic jams of period say 15 min, you can use D mode but when its long long waiting queue, you should use manual mode. You can keep your car in first gear and crawl with traffic easily. Also dont rely on torque to move your car, use gas paddle. And when car comes to halt and not moving, you can either use break if wait time to move is less ow you can put it in N mode.
In DSG systems, there's neither a cheap nor an expensive aspect. It's essential to appreciate the exceptional engineering rather than criticizing it. DSG focuses on precision handling, distinguishing itself from others like DCT/DCA, which are essentially reverse-engineered solutions.
I had VW Ameo 1.5 TDi with 7 speed DSG, loved the gearbox. The ran well till 60k kms but after that I started to face 2 issues. First, it started to engage late in the first gear and the second issue was that it started to lag to shift from first to second gear. Just now I sold the car. But the gearbox is best in performance
Best transmission for India are Torque Converters and CVT especially in cities CVT is best. But I like only TCs as driving pleasure is a must thing for me
In the battle between Bike wale ladke and Scooty wale ladke, it seems like Scooty wale have finally won😞 EVs are all automatic transmission and manual transmission will be gone forever😭
Thank you very much for such a detailed, informative video on DCT gearbox and its practicality on Indian traffic and climatic conditions. Appreciate your dedication, research and most importantly patience. Your videos always helped us understand their terminology. Special thanks to @GaganChoudary
Honda and Toyota not only in India but middle east and europe use CVT from last 14 years and no issues .🙏CVT is for peple who drive cars sensibly with elegance and disciplined drivers.
Thank you, Mr Yogi & Mr. Gagan for such an informative podcast. You have very nicely covered the DSG/DCT problems on Volkswagan, Hyundai & other brands. But lately Tata Motors have also developed their own DCT. Have any owners of these vehicles faced similar issues? Has it come to your notice?
Maybe this is the reason Tata went with DCA and wet clutch in order to cope with Indian conditions and it does work well. Haven’t heard anyone facing issues with their transmission.
Really helpful discussion. And interesting too. Could you guys please touch upon IVT gearbox and how it is different from CVT. Thanks again for the podcast.. good job guys.. 🤘
DSG gearbox is the fastest responding gearbox. Nothing can be as quick as these gearboxes. DCT is similar, but not as quick. DCA also is similar to DCT. (Difference being DCA is wet clutch)
The main problem is if these gear boxes are not capable to convert the power properly like getting heated ,breakdown, cannot judge the gear shift in bumper to bumper traffic as mentioned then why we paying extra for automatic these things should be known by the manufacturer. People are shifting to automatic bcoz of city traffic and that thing is the only reason for low performance 😂
Never seen you guys but the way you guys are using this platform for targeting some brand, it’s really sad to see how low famous RUclipsrs can go, please carry on with promoting slow and unsafe cars
That's great! It's a well-informed and engaging conversation, particularly regarding the benefits of owning DCT without delving into intricate technicalities.
Gagan and Yogi bhaiya, what would you recommend Carens DCT or imt turbo vs Alcazar turbo with Manual? In terms of built, family car and reliable transmission system?
I own a verna 1.0 turbo DCT 2020. It's been a havoc for me having this car in my garage.. Every now and then I have to visit service center. Heating issue is very frequent. What to do?
Guys you both are very seasoned and experienced professionals. As a viewer I would like to see the community including youtube professionals working together as one extended group where we may differ on facts and opinions only on the subject and not each other. Pls take this as a feedback with someone who has the best intention at heart. Wish you all the best!
I really really like you guys the way you explain car technology. It’s crisp and short and simple. I’ve heard a lot about DSG & DCT durability but also a fan of this gear box too (dost ki chalaiyi hai khud ki nahi hai, main toh i20 manual chalata hu 😉). I want to buy Verna DCT. Can the heating issue be controlled if it is driven in a manual mode specially in a bumper to bumper traffic??
this awareness is very important. it would be good to hear recommendations too! Probably CVTs are best suitable for Indian conditions, they are the balanced option in terms of smoothness of gear shift and reliability !
@@DeepakVarshney86 no problem brother, every one has their own opinion towards car. Some people just drive them and don't even know that how does it work what's in it's heart and there are people likes me who understand their cars, who explore their cars and want to know everything about their cars, who can feel if the tyre pressure is right or not, who do check regularly that break oil, steering oil, engine oil, coolant every thing is fine, kuch log to aise hote h tyre puncture bi ho Jaye to pta nahi lagta unko 😅😅
In past Mitsubishi Lancer Evo X can keep up with Lamborghini gallado on track even shake it too Just when its come to city driving that car always bog down, jerky to drive and every discomfort to drive So its all about how that car/gearbox is tuned what it designed for and what its main objective
Hello Gagan and Vikas my first feedback to you both is that you both are hosting content at too casual attitude which is not in my liking. Should be like how you both used to be atleast till last year. Secondly the VW jokes you both did was not that correct and you both said that at the end of the video about driving pattern. See VW or any German brand is of different class and not to everyons liking but they are most advanced, sophisticated and tough. Japanese can't even reach to that levels coz they make sustainable quality cars. So please change the way of presentation and targeting brands like VW who are known for quality. By the way I own WagonR and now bought Taigun AT (not DSG) so felt the difference amount brands.
Same tactic used by me as at 8:10 while driving my VW.. Put it in ‘N’ when you know you’ll have to wait, say, at the red signal or in a slow creeping / jammed traffic. You can actually feel the engine getting less stressed, if you do that..
Which city you drive? Bumper to bumper traffic, which moves at snails pace with continuous start stop, can be extremely taxing in the dual clutch transmission. Repeatedly (every 3-4 seconds)putting it in N or P defeats the very purpose of automatic.
amt dct same ho jaeynge...not possible....dct even though slowed down it never losses power while shifting gear traffic signal keep in N or P, STOP-GO traffic like bangalore keep in manual, be careful in 3rd gear, 3-2 switch vw dsg gets confused it gives huge jerk, so dont keep it confused in 3rd-2nd switch scenario
What would you pick - DCT or AT (Torque converter)?
The actual reason of DSG failing in India on previous days because of VW and Skoda cars were producing more torque than official claim , that's why the DSG(DQ250) especially of their Diesel vehicles weren't able to handle that extra Torque Rush hence they over-heated and sometimes they fails .
I'm damn sure that today's 1.5 TSI is also producing more power than claimed ones , that's why it's beating new Verna Turbo even with less Power/weight ratio .
Torque converter
TC
I will pick Harriers torque converter ❤
Tata's DCA?
The earlier DSG DQ200 failures were due to short circuits in the Mechatronics due to using synthetic gear oil. They have since switched to mineral oil and failures have also reduced significantly. Premature clutch failure is mostly due to frequent clutch engagement in start-stop traffic. Like mentioned in the video, switch to Neutral during stops + switch to manual mode (hold onto 1st gear) in creeping traffic. My Vento TDI DSG started showing lethargic gear shifting with only about 35K on the odo (90% city traffic). I got the gearbox oil and Mechatronics fluid changed (genuine VW fluids only) at an independent garage and voila, the shifts have become smooth all over again and D3-D2 jerking is almost gone as well. Don’t believe in the “sealed-for-life” transmission oil BS.
how much did you pay for the oil change? and what oils were used? I have a DSG TDI too.
My Vento crossed 1lac+ km , I asked service centre when to change transmission oil? they replied it's filled for lifetime 😅 . Which grade and quantity required for oil change ?
Where did you get it changed?
VW ki sena as you guys say are just car automobile lovers like you both gagan and vikas. They are not irrational and neither stupid as you highlight them to be. They love their cars as much as any other car Enthusiast does. If you observe them with open mind, they do acknowledge if other cars are better performer than their own brands as well.
Coming to the drag race, Slavia vs Verna '23 which was the elephant in the room. The drag in your channel showed verna faster than Slavia which is totally cool considering 10 more bhps. But also, those so called tagged "VW sena" by you, also did a drag between virtus and verna and results were different slightly where Virtus stays ahead for the most part and Verna very gently surpasses between 120-140 and then virtus again overtakes verna beyond 140 kmph.
Conclusion?
Both the cars are almost equal when it comes to Performance. A lot of it depends on the driver, launch styles in the drag race, tyres, fuel type and other car specific factors.
In real life, a regular common man won't even feel much difference between the two because drag race koi nahi karta real life conditions and lifestyle mein.
I respect you both as automobile journalists but it is VERY SAD, to see people fighting and tagging each other with certain names like "VW ki sena" and what not.
Please stop doing that. VW does make great cars, no doubts. Niggles have been existent, yes, mostly in the VW 2.0 initial manufactured cars which VW should have checked before rolling out the cars and that has been a pain in the rear for a lot of people, BUT, these have also been RECTIFIED now.
A company which starts listening, if not sooner but later, is better than a company which does not take any action at all. I think VW is trying to be a better brand today than it was.
Support these brands which are trying to bring superior driving quality and experience. And if they are lacking and being faulty in some aspects (like any other car brand), give them feedback and help them give us even better experiences.
But, STOP THESE TAGGING OF NAMES LIKE "VW KI SENA". VW does make great cars and Infact superior in a lot of ways than Koreans. That's a truth.
FACT: Before you tag me as another "VW Fanboy". I had owned a suzuki, 2 Hyundais back to back in my family. Amazing cars I must say. I shifted to VW in 2018 with 2 VWs in my fleet and my experience has been better in every way of ownership and driving than the Hyundais and Suzukis.
I am not biased towards any brand, but, judging on the basis of factual experience, Germans have an edge. Although I totally agree, localisation has led to cost cuttings in some areas which aren't that bad either.
YOU BOTH ARE GOOD JOURNALISTS. PLEASE DON'T TARNISH YOUR IMAGE. STOP SHAMING, TAGGING OR BEING BAISED AND BEING TOO CRITICAL ABOUT ONE BRAND IN PARTICULAR.
Bring back the harmony! Everyone out there is a car enthusiast, esp, your target audience. If people like Hyundais, it is for their strengths, if people like VW's, it is for their strengths.
Hope to see these fights and shaming and tagging end. Rivalry is exciting and good. But, tagging people who are mere car enthusiasts like you, it's NOT DONE!
Exactly I thought Vikas is a good genuine, unbiased reviewer but the way he mentioned VW sena and all those hate comments I've just unsubscribed him..... Paise ke chakkar main misguide karte hain aur faltu main defame karte hain acche brand ko. Unko Hyundai ki brake issues, DCT issues, paint issues, double standards nhi dekhte na hi woh kehte hain par VW se jara si chuk hoon ussi ko mudda banake logon ke samne dikhate hain
@@mrperfect971 Vikas and Gagan. Both are excellent reviewers. Impeccable presentation and approach towards their videos. But, all these are of no use if you are not professional and biased towards one brand. May be they have had some bitter experience with VW in the past but professionalism should stay and I really expect icn studio and gagan to get back to the stage where if they speak good, speak good about all the brands and their unique strengths. If they need to critisize, don't just stick to VW and it's cases but also highlight other brands which indeed have issues which goes unhighlighted. Shaming one particular brand all the time and ignoring the failures of other brands is just unprofessional and biased.
@@siddharthasamuel7259 the fact is they're showing and telling the information which was applicable back when TDIs were available..... At that time there were issues with the gearbox because the TDI produced more than 250 nm torque which caused the problem but with the TSI there are nearly zero problem reported with this combination. They're giving out dated information neither they mentioned VAG giving 7 years warranty on it. VAG made us realised the importance of safety which we were totally unaware especially in the budget in which polo was launched. Tata, Mahindra came into the game later with safety but still as of now they can't match the safety given by VAG. VAG showed Indians how safely built cars are. Ofc no company/car are perfect but when it comes to VAG they're near to perfect in driving dynamics, safety and performance which makes a car A CAR and not a gimmick. And this people are defaming them just for money. I don't understand how can they do so ? They've so many people and most importantly people aren't aware about so many basic things about cars that's why they've rely on auto journalist..... And as an auto journalist it's their responsibility and duty to give fair advice to people..... Who will be responsible if a buyer buys korean tin and bhagwan na kare highway pe koi accident hoon .... Who will be responsible for his life??? He himself and the whole family will suffer due to it. PLEASE YOU GUYS STOP SPREADING HATE TOWARDS A GOOD BRAND JUST FOR THE SAKE OF MONEY/ DUE TO UR PERSONAL OPINIONS. AND I'M PROUD TO SAY I'M A VW "FANBOY" OR A MEMBER OF VW "SENA" WHATEVER YOU SAY....... ATLEAST IT'S BETTER THAN LICKING OFF SOME KOREAN TWIN'S ........ Samjhdar ko ishara hi kaafi hain 🙂🙂🙂 no hard feelings ICN studio/ Vikas Yogi/ Gagan Choudhary but as a responsible auto journalist stop misguiding people and giving irrelevant old information.
@@mrperfect971 agree. Even i have a TDI 1.5, but manual and one of the gem of the engines to own that no other brand in this segment has been able to provide in diesels. Ford's diesel was the closest rival in its time. My second car is a vento 1.0 TSI, some self claimed car expert cum reviewers say it's laggy and underpowered, I along with a lot of owners of this engine find it most fun, rev happy and scalable engine VW ever made after 2.0 TDIs. I had owned Hyundais too, their NA engines are really good refined but their power degrades over a period of time which is what I noticed after 10 years of owning an i10 2010 model, but VW's engine even after 5 years of ownership still feels like new and ready to punch!
My service and ownership experience has been impeccable and amazing. No complaints till date.
Their discussion screams of fact that half knowledge is dangerous. I would rather ask them to do some research properly and come out with facts.
DCT is reverse engineered engine of the legendary DSG .
You guys should get Munish from Sunderdeep singh and get his explanation about it. And know what is the real science
Simple baat hai, DCT is DCT. Best performance with lower reliability. If someone can’t afford to get it replaced out of warranty by paying 1-1.5L, better buy AMT/CVT/TC or even manual cars. But don’t expect that kind of performance. Performance and the pleasure of driving always comes at a cost.
Thank you Gagan & Vikas, it’s an important topic which you guys cover in Cartalaap, I follow the same practice of putting my CVT automatic (Honda City) in N mode while stopped for more than 1 minute at a red light. I understand the importance of overheating issue in gear box.
Disclaimer - by vw sena , they mean the group of people who blindly follow vw and argue with anyone who says anything bad about vw without understanding the opinion of other people
That's why Vw sena and Vw lovers/followers are different
VW Sena are proud of their bricked up gearboxes and obnoxious SA
Call me vw fanboy yes forever
The more koreans and other brands launches useless features for their customers to have a feel of a expensive car in affordable car in india the more i love vw cars especially my polo gt tsi dsg 2015 just pure driving pleasure, posh looks no shitty features..
Pro tips for people having planning to buy dsg cars
Bumper to bumper use shift manually
Always put the gear on neutral traffic stops
Parking on a stiff patch first full press leg brake than handbrake than shift to park
Never launch control slightly pull the car than pull heavily
If you kinda launch control
Avoid floods dont spray water underneath
These are the top tips
Thanks bro 🙏
"Pure driving pleasure" with all of 105 horses ? Lmao. Warm hatchbacks drivers are the worst
Enough of polo nonsense with 100 or bit more bhp dese days infact few years back as well many many companies made n r making much better cars and repair n maintenance is negligible with better driving dynamics n car in driving mode than workshop mode n bank account paying mutual funds not workshops 😂
germans were pioneers in India at a time in automobile industries but homegrown Giants of Insdia surely have the products today to give these Germans a run for their money. So yeah VW owners do act like fanboys.
Also those tips needed to handle a 'Gearbox' is what makes it unreliable..
With the DQ200 the problem was being faced due to TDI generating more than 250 nm of torque...... As of now VW has provided max torque of 250 nm and have made necessary changes in it making it less prone to such failures. Since 3 years there are almost 0 issues faced regarding the DSG+TSI combination. Although I do agree the DSG/DCT/DCA (Tata) all these are not much suitable for high traffic areas (Mumbai, Banglore, Delhi) so if anyone is getting it there either get a manual or get a warranty against it..... Btw at 14:47 when u said bura lag jayega it's true bcoz VW is the pioneer of DSG and DCT is being made from reverse engineering 🙂🙂🙂 Ye sab apko pata hain na ??? Its like kisi Chinese company ne iPhone ke specs copy kar liye aur saste main phone launch kiya 😂😂😂
Tata DCA is wet cluth
Abhi lena shi rhega Bhai
I am confused between
1.0 tc & 1.5 dsg
50% city
50% Highway use
Monthly 1000 km
@@silveradoceramics6644 if you don't have problem with manual then go for it.... It's the best and now you have also got manual in Virtus as well (in case Slavia doesn't excite you). Although if you're not comfortable with manual then the question arises is what's your driving style ... If you like to drive enthusiastically hands down to 1.5 DSG but 1.0 TC is also a great option if you are not an enthusiast. Although still 1.0 can be driven hard and you will enjoy it too (not as much as 1.5 OFC) but it will give less efficiency than 1.5 TSI...... And I would suggest if u opt for 1.5 TSI DSG make sure to get the extended warranty.
@@mrperfect971 also we have another confusion
Harrier auto xza plus 23 on road
Kushaq 1.5 dsg monte Carlo 20.85 on road
Which one is best ?
Dct = dsg = pdk
Guys I have used Vento TSI 1.2L with 7 speed DSG. Total running of vehicle is 1.48 Lakh kms. Twice the Mechatronics, clutch and flywheel. First time at 90 K kms which was under warranty. ( saved 2 L due to extended warranty) . Now again at 1.48 L all these failed and I got them changed by paying ₹2.23 L . It’s best engine & gear box but very very costly to maintain post extended warranty. You need to plan a budget to own it. This is the reality.
With DSG I too faced similar problem which I managed with changing my driving pattern. The main issue which I faced is with lower gears, where they get confused between 1st and 2nd. Here I adopted to go for manual mode. Also I always preferred to go for neutral when on stops and signals. DSG is a fun to drive just we need to adjust to them.
I think even if you are in the M mode, the 2nd gear would already be in ready ( connected but not engaged yet). Atleast that’s what I understood from watching how DCTs work. But yeah it definitely helps you to save from unnecessary upshift-downshifts :)
The problem is more of sudden downshift from 2nd to 1st while driving slow on bumpy roads.. manual mode also doesn’t allow u to up shift unless u hit 2000 rpm mark. I drive virtus gt
@@docvik11 yeah, i face the same issue, after a software update, my DSG downshifts for no reason to 1st gear on uneven roads, sometimes with a clunk noise
The problem which auto companies do not want to admit is that the materials to construct proper DCT doesn't exist yet. You need a steel which has very low thermal expansion coefficient, very high shear modulus, very high shear strength, very high surface hardness. Plus in order to make the predictive shift work well, you need very good ambient sensing (radar+camera+IR) plus very intelligent algorithm optimised for the user as well as traffic condition.
These are contradictory requirements.
if BMW M cars can have 8 Speed Torque Converter automatics, then I don't think its necessary to only have DCTs in Performance oriented cars.
The actual reason of DSG failing in India on previous days because of VW and Skoda cars were producing more torque than official claim , that's why the DSG(DQ250) especially of their Diesel vehicles weren't able to handle that extra Torque Rush hence they over-heated and sometimes they fails .
I'm damn sure that today's 1.5 TSI is also producing more power than claimed ones , that's why it's beating new Verna Turbo even with less Power/weight ratio .
Spot on! That's knowledge
i second that
Sahi hai 👍
W comment
Bro vw claimed power figures are on wheels so definitely it makes more than 150bhp on crank whereas hyundai claims power figures based on crank that’s why they always show less power on dyno test but here the reason for dsg failure is more torque than 250nm at initial rpms but in petrol engines they made sure to that torque won’t be more than 250nm and that why they have given initial lag in new dsg so basically I don’t think we have to worry about dsg failures in 2.0 cars
What Gagan said regarding the slowness of engagement in the DCTs is exactly what Hyundai and Kia did via the software update. At the same time, actuator ya something was also replaced for the owners whose cars got stucked in ODD/EVEN gears. My honest review, the feels of the early days DCT days got changed due to this update. The updated DCTs felt more like a refined AT. :(
Hi. Can you pls advise on the below
1. How to drive and how not to drive a dct, considering that there is auto idle stop and auto hold function the car (Seltos FL)?
2. When you say the dct gearbox gets heated in bumper to bumper traffic - what would be the duration of that threshold typically?
What a gr8 video 🙏🏻.
I too own an X Line Seltos and do follow some of the tips mentioned.
- Put in N or P at red light.
- Avoid sudden acceleration/braking
- Parking brake in N then move to P.
- Wait till I can Fully release brake in stop-go. Well this comes with a lot of honking from behind 😅
btw guys......i have been driving a DSG box (Q3) for 9 years, zero problem and very very smooth rides and very fast changes. I have had a brilliant stint !!
HOW ABOUT NOW ANY PROBLEM? & HOW MUCH KM RUN ?
The only reason why i wont prefer a VW DSG dq200 gearbox is because I live in the Himalayas. The roads and weather here is unforgiving. dq200 fails miserably here in the hills
I have KIA Seltos GTX PLUS TURBO DCT 2022 model and I was frequently facing Transmission heating issue specifically during Bumper to Bumper traffic on inclined roads. However, eversince I started using Sports Mode (Manual Shift ) along with Paddle Shifters in such scenarios, I have NOT experienced the Transmission Heating issue. Therefore I strongly recommend to use Sports-Manual mode approach in such scenarios...!
does your car have Autohold? if yes try using that, I have heard that it disengages the clutch completely
Never heard of a DCT failure. Never heard of hassle free VW ownership.
Bro u just burned them 😢
then stop living in your bubble mate
Great podcast! Loved it! I have two cars with DSG- Polo GT TSI and the Octavia 2.0L Petrol (Dec 2022).
One thing I would like to point out- when the car is stopped in D, the computer disengages the clutch and it causes no harm to the transmission. However, I put the transmission in N when stopped. But the research that I have done suggests that there is no harm caused to the transmission when in D and stopped say at a traffic light. One can see that the RPM drops to about 700 when the brake is applied and car is stopped. Also the 'Auto hold function' which applies the brakes when the car is stopped works only in the D mode.
DSG is a fantastic gear box and I think much superior to the DCT of the Koreans.
GT bech do bhai mujhe 🥲
DCT/DSG Vs TC or VW vs Hyundai - All are reasonably good in their own ways (Everything has its own pro/cons) and hence finally this boils down to more of a personal choice what you want to go for.
But what I like about these guys are more of matured,unbiased and sensibility they bring into their discussion rather than forcing/biasing the audience to go for a certain brand.
Otherwise noone would like to take a review//advice/suggestion from a FANBOYs(not sure paid or PR or whatever) who certainly have their inclination towards a certain brand and as always their reviews are so conclusive towards that one brand.
P.S. VW is a winner when it comes to performance/safety but there are certainly 10 other parameters where maruti/Hyundai has excelled too to make their way to every other home in india happily :-)
I had such a terrible experience with Ford Ecosport PT AT 2015 model, its clutch system failed 2 times in 5 years of warranty, had to sell off the car.
Sharing my experience that I am driving rapid limited edition 2016 and it is 2.025 lakhs km driven 🤞and yes I switch to neutral at red lights and also I don’t accelerate fast from neutral, l do it slowly so as to dsg work as smoothly as possible and once it surpass 2nd gear then i go for faster acceleration. In my family except Fabia we have enjoyed dsg in Laura, superb and now in kushaq and Kodiaq 2022 models
Which city are you from?
Gautam Buddh Nagar
Feels like we dodged a small bullet by going for the 2022 Hyundai Tucson 8 AT TC. Would love an technical video/comparison on the working and how to take care of DCT/DSG and Torque Converters. Thanks!
Read the car manual dude to drive a car properly you don’t need half baked youtubers to enlighten you on how to maintain a transmission 😂
@@bhavanyadav1111You weren't exactly right there Sir.
Not all you tubers were half-baked. FYI, all that was given in UM doesn't translate well in real life conditions. Not always!
For example, Toyota manual for a certain model prescribes engine oil change at 10k km which ideally should be 6-7k kms in real world conditions. This, I say from 55 years of experience in the automobile world. The company doesn't wish its buyers to see oil change for their engine this frequent.
You may or may not believe this.
DSG/DCT being unreliable is a Fact, more so in India.. whether you like it or not.
Pl don't make such sweeping statements. statements statements
Have you read any user manual of a car havinb DSG transmission?? If no then you are missing the whole point of conversation here.
As expected the VW fanbois are seething because apparently VAG can do nothing wrong, but if the same is said about other brands like Suzuki and Hyundai it's all ok lol. But props to y'all for making unfiltered content and showing the facts, this series has been quite interesting and informative.
Having a bias towards a brand isn't going to help anyone, rather just perpetuate consumerism.
I have a jeep compass auto which has DDCT (Dry DCT). Every time I come to a stop in traffic i put it in neutral. My car has never shown heating symbol in city. It happened once in Sissu when I was stuck in a traffic jam on incline. It took half an hour to get to normal.
Bhai itna sirf batado ki aap logo ne aaj tak VW group ki gadi salo tak rakhi hai?
I have seen VW customer who are not switching to any other brand. They’re switching to BMW/Audi.
So, don’t comment just like that . .
We own MG Hector DCT Sharp with 34,550/- Kms not even single time transmission has break down or overheated I love cars very very much I genuinely care about them being old school I made sure that for 1st 10,000/- (1st major service oil change) we never pushed car hard always use to accelerate gently in city as well as on highway conditions didn’t cross speed of 90 kms/hr touch wood till now no problem with the engine as well as transmission.
How's your current experience with the DCT?
@ over all very good except efficiency rest all is fantastic.
I have a Vento DSG TDI. I always put the transmission in P mode when I encounter a traffic signal. more than 80k done. Car is working fine. I live in a city with moderate to very little traffic. And we do have long highway trips too. One thing I can say is I love the DSG gearbox. In my next car too I would not go for any other transmission.
Another thing we can consider here that lot of OEMs, especially the EU OEMs deliberately reduce the product lifecycle. They want consumers to buy newer cars every year or buy spares(which are already designed to take longer labour hours to replace) which are the main ways OEMs earn margins.
Well, we cant do much here. Lets consider our risks and enjoy these beautiful machines!
One this we have to agree is DSG is amazing. DSG cannot be compared with any other transmission. DSGs are Makkhan smooth. I am using DSG and next car will be again DSG. Even it fails, i am ok but i will not drive any other cars with any other transmission.
Good for you bro. As you said, even it fails, keep driving DSG. What is the worst that will happen.. you might get stuck in some forest or pahaad. Big deal. You keep driving DSG bro. I'm with you.
Please make a video on build quality of hyundai and maruti cars. How they are saving money and making their customers fool by selling them highly unsafe cars.
I am using Skoda DSG for many years - Its Butter.. so nice to drive and no complaint. You wont feel the gear change at all.
Are Hyundai's CVT (IVT) as reliable as Honda's and Toyota's? Does IVT of Hyundai helps control the Rubber band effect in any significant rate as compared to other brands CVT transmission?
Of course not.
Japanese cars are the most reliable.
Reliability = Honda and Toyota
Hi Gagan/Yogi, I have Slavia DSG. Would it be helpful if I drive it always on sports mode as it changes the gear less frequently. Also if I need to wait for 5-10 min and wand my ac to be running should I put it in P mode with handbrake pulled. Please reply !!
I have jetta with dq250. Done 2lakh kms. No issues at all. Just change dsg oil after every 70k km. And keep at N if stopping for more than 20 sec.
I was following him because he was neutral but now I’ll sure unsubscribe this channel for targeting a brand customers.
Great video sir people nowdays are buying cars without even knowing their cons it is as important as knowing pros of the whole product some so called fanbois influencers are spreading a wrong message which need to be stopped.
I found it very informative, they have explained in a very Layman language how traditional and new DCT transmission works and might get into trouble with heating issues. But I would love Sunderdeep Ji whom I follow very much and appreciate his work to react on this DSG/DCT gearboxes, Dry clutch and not suitable for Indian weather and traffic conditions.
It is great if we prefer 6 6-year warranty and should not abuse it. It will last long w/o any issues then.
तुम्ही दोघांनी आज फारच महत्वपूर्ण माहिती सांगितली आहे, खूप खूप आभारी आहे. कारण मी 2022 रोजी vento ऑटोमॅटिक tsi घेतली या अगोदर माझ्याकडे honda city gxi CVT ऑटोमॅटिक होती, आमच्या परिवारात अगोदरच 3 vento आहेत त्यातील एक मेन्युअल डिझेल आणि दोन ऑटोमॅटिक dsg डिझेल मध्ये आहेत त्यामुळे मी सुध्दा honda city वरून vento वर शिफ्ट झालो.
तुम्हा दोघांचे सर्व व्हिडिओ पाहतो आणि तुम्ही दोहे एकत्र असताना खुप धमाल करता, तुम्हा दोघांना असे हसतमुख पाहून खूप आनंद वाटतो आणि व्हिडिओ पाहताना देखील आनंद वाटतो खूप छान माहिती मिळते, असेच महत्वपूर्ण व्हिडिओ अपलोड करत रहा, तुम्हा दोघांना मनापासून धन्यवाद आणि खूप खूप शुभेच्छा ❤
DSG is complicated by nature and VW/Skoda Service technicians add the icing on the cake. I sold my Virtus GT DSG yesterday after 20k kms and horror stories. I am strongly not recommending the current 1.5s from VAG. Please get a Maruti and live in peace.🙂
Torque converter is a jack of all trades. But in general each transmission needs some middle ground - Toyota's torque converters with a lock-up clutch, Honda's CVTs with a launch gear and now VW's DCT with slower shifts.
What about TATA's DCA(DCT) gearbox? Developed for Indian conditions.. are they reliable?
It's sourced from a Chinese company. It might be wet clutch, but overall it's a very poor quality gearbox.
@@ayush885lol they have developed indigenously, nobody faced any problem
@@rajendertkr Amit khare from ask car guru was saying it's sourced from a Chinese company.
Please confirm.
Sir
Xuv 700 auto diesel में gear shift kaisa है?
Jerk hai kya?
Transmission TC hai?
Overall Transmission experience, jerk,smoothness pickup kaisa हैं, pls inform.
Thanks
This couple (not in that sense) :D is very engaging to listen to.
I hope more and more podcast are coming along.
If you can then please increase the length of the video to 30mins.
Love the Podcast !
I wonder why don't you guys criticized the Hyundai and Maruti for their bulid quality and braking issues (specially in Hyundai current generation cars) like you did it for VW group for their DSG issues. I think Maruti Suzuki and Hyundai is paying you guys enough to pin point and defame the brands like VW.
We guys (VW ki sena) is never pin pointed a particular brand we do appreciate the cars like Honda City, S cross and Tucson, Innova, Altroz, Tiago. But I don't know what happen to you guys I always thought that you guys are unbiased auto journalists but I was wrong. Unsubscribed both of you.
I will prefer TC with Diesel engine, Reliable and efficient.
My own experience with creta 1.6 auto dsl, 1.5 lac Kms on oddo and no hiccups whatsoever in delhi ncr region and yearly trips to Hills
Judging by some comments i think some VW fans ego's getting hurt.
Come on guys every brand has some niggles to some extent try to digest negatives of your respective car brand as well.
Btw which are you drive ? Maruti? Hyundai? 😂 These companies don’t have respect around the globe even fast and furious trolls hyundai 😂
@@mandeepsingh9469 times are changing my friend. Jaake dekhle, Hyundai i30 N and other cars are competing with VW sport cars like GTI and Golf. I really like vw cars as well but I am not even kidding that jab vw ke fans baaki gaadiyon ko nicha dikhane ki try karte hai tab aata hai gussa. Let people like what they want. Verna vs Virtus wali cheez pe bohot ego rubbing ki thi vw fans ne.
Live and let live.
@@shreyasmaheswari9052 we just compare other cars side by side with same segment vw cars and those other cars always fails and comes out inferior in terms of fit finish, paint quality, safety, dynamics and performance but we always appreciate good products from other brands but hyundai maruti tata mahindra in terms of overall quality just too inferior in front of vw skoda then how can we appreciate those shit boxes coming at a price where vw is giving everything of premium quality . This literally means that other brands are just looting Indians by just offering gimmicks features and cutting cost in almost everything except stupid features .
and yea for every i30n there is always a golfR, and for every elantra n there is always a jettaGLI and octavia vrs and for every i20N there is always a polo gti and every tucson there is always a tiguan all space and kodiaq so every car of vw skoda I compared to hyundai rivals is more car per car and best vfm at its price
@@mandeepsingh9469 as I mentioned some VW fans egos getting harmed in this video
At least you have got some balls to admit that. I give you that 😏
@@Car_Factory_007 that’s not ego pal, that’s called sentiments. We love vw for a reason not just andhbhakt fanbois if we don’t like something in vw we raise our voice against that too and vw listens us too . Like we have raised our voices against poor roof lining, trunk door spring problem, manual in 1.5tsi and black color. All these queries have been resolved by vw then how can we deny that fact that vw is the only brand in india delivering all rounder cars at a price of tincans
1. How to Pickup DCT on traffic slopes
2. How to drive DCT in bumper to bumper traffic - D to N or Keep it in D if it is less than 20-30 secs?
3. On slopes while parking P & Handbrake both to be used?
4. Normal Parking what is required only P or even handbrake is also required?
5. While car comes at halt is the idle practise to put from D to N, apply handbrake, then R To P?
6. Advisable to use Manual gear modes in downhill & uphill?
7. While driving at certain speed 50kmph i shifted into manual mode what will happen?
All Qs are Based on DCTs only.
If you could make a video on this would be really helpful.
1 - most cars with dct have hill assist will which hold your car for 5 seconds after releasing break. After that your car will start moving. But 5 secs are more than enough for dct to make you car move. auto hold is used while you are in incline or decline traffic. You can just put gear on neutral N.
2. In bumper to bumper traffic when you feel like you likely have to wait there for several secs, you put N gear. It can even be for 10 secs.
3. When you stop you car(switch off), you put you gear in park P. and always use handbreak regardless of situation.
4. Same as point 3
5. when car comes to halt, it depends you going to wait there or you in traffic. I think point 2 cover it
6. no need to use manual gear until unless you want to have fun
7. Yes you can do that. When you put in manual. It will be in the same gear and now you can upshift or downshift.
@@Adup5724 That was really helpful.
Just a small doubt when you are in bumper to bumper traffic in SLOPES how shall we drive a dct? Just put from N TO D & drive or use manual mode bcz if we use D gear will always play between 1 & 2?
@@shalinshah2305 Great you find it helpful.
See when you are in long traffic jams, you should use manual mode(sport mode). For traffic jams of period say 15 min, you can use D mode but when its long long waiting queue, you should use manual mode. You can keep your car in first gear and crawl with traffic easily. Also dont rely on torque to move your car, use gas paddle. And when car comes to halt and not moving, you can either use break if wait time to move is less ow you can put it in N mode.
@@Adup5724 Thankyou for the quick insight. Indeed helped to understand it
In DSG systems, there's neither a cheap nor an expensive aspect. It's essential to appreciate the exceptional engineering rather than criticizing it. DSG focuses on precision handling, distinguishing itself from others like DCT/DCA, which are essentially reverse-engineered solutions.
I had VW Ameo 1.5 TDi with 7 speed DSG, loved the gearbox. The ran well till 60k kms but after that I started to face 2 issues. First, it started to engage late in the first gear and the second issue was that it started to lag to shift from first to second gear. Just now I sold the car. But the gearbox is best in performance
Best transmission for India are Torque Converters and CVT especially in cities CVT is best.
But I like only TCs as driving pleasure is a must thing for me
In the battle between Bike wale ladke and Scooty wale ladke, it seems like Scooty wale have finally won😞
EVs are all automatic transmission and manual transmission will be gone forever😭
This video is a gem. For someone like me who's planning to buy a car this is an eye opener when considering DCT. Thank you.
Thank you very much for such a detailed, informative video on DCT gearbox and its practicality on Indian traffic and climatic conditions. Appreciate your dedication, research and most importantly patience. Your videos always helped us understand their terminology. Special thanks to @GaganChoudary
CVTs are ideal for Traffic condition. Of course you cannot drag.
Honda and Toyota not only in India but middle east and europe use CVT from last 14 years and no issues .🙏CVT is for peple who drive cars sensibly with elegance and disciplined drivers.
Please Do the detail video of working as you mentioned and how to use them. And thank you for the wonderful video.
Thank you, Mr Yogi & Mr. Gagan for such an informative podcast. You have very nicely covered the DSG/DCT problems on Volkswagan, Hyundai & other brands. But lately Tata Motors have also developed their own DCT. Have any owners of these vehicles faced similar issues? Has it come to your notice?
Tata did not develop their own dct, they purchased one from a foreign brand
My brother has 1.4 Turbo Creta 2020 Model.He has never faced any issue , even on long trips of more than 2500Kms
Maybe this is the reason Tata went with DCA and wet clutch in order to cope with Indian conditions and it does work well. Haven’t heard anyone facing issues with their transmission.
Really helpful discussion. And interesting too. Could you guys please touch upon IVT gearbox and how it is different from CVT. Thanks again for the podcast.. good job guys.. 🤘
both guys are phenomenal when they are apart but together they are devastating.
I like the work very much these guys are doing.
What about Tata's DCA (wet clutch)? It is going to come with updated NEXON also apart from Altroz. Has Tata resolved the issue of DCT/DSG/DCA?
Only dry clutches face issues..wet clutches won't face any problem
@@tarunnair6954 but there is reliability issue with Tata's DCA as per reports.
DSG gearbox is the fastest responding gearbox. Nothing can be as quick as these gearboxes.
DCT is similar, but not as quick. DCA also is similar to DCT. (Difference being DCA is wet clutch)
In Bangalore, Seltos HTX Manual vs. DCT has around a 6 lakhs price difference. With this discussion, suddenly, it started feeling too high.
Excellent video team. Would you recommend buying a used octavia MK3 with the DSG issues you highlighted?
I have DCT transmission in my car it's working fine it's almost 3 years no major problem
The main problem is if these gear boxes are not capable to convert the power properly like getting heated ,breakdown, cannot judge the gear shift in bumper to bumper traffic as mentioned then why we paying extra for automatic these things should be known by the manufacturer. People are shifting to automatic bcoz of city traffic and that thing is the only reason for low performance 😂
Very informative without any jargons.
VW panboi drag race team from NCR region were not harmed at the end of this video 🤣😂🙂
😂😂😂😂 Ac on off and 4 bande baithao gang😂😂
Is DCT hitting issue resolved now? I'm planning to purchase Kia Htx DCT Patrol.
Torque Converter is the best, bridges the gap between DSG and CVT
I DROVE 4 DIFFERENT MARUTI AMT ALL WERE JERKY ONE DESIRE WAS JUST DRIVEN 17000 KM.
Good podcast. TC like ZF/9tronic are the best transmissions in my opinion.
Never seen you guys but the way you guys are using this platform for targeting some brand, it’s really sad to see how low famous RUclipsrs can go, please carry on with promoting slow and unsafe cars
Gagan's expression at 12:29 sums up how DCT works
Doing Excellent job Guys….. u r truly guiding about the misconceptions ……… Thanks and keep the Spirits Up 🌹
Frankly speaking sir, what do you suggest, manual or DCT from 2024 to 2030 in the under 20lac cars in India?
That's great! It's a well-informed and engaging conversation, particularly regarding the benefits of owning DCT without delving into intricate technicalities.
What about Honda's automatic transmission? Is it any good ?
Gagan and Yogi bhaiya, what would you recommend Carens DCT or imt turbo vs Alcazar turbo with Manual? In terms of built, family car and reliable transmission system?
Carens 1.5 DCT (Petrol)
I am still using vw jetta 1.9 tdi dsg 2009
1.40 lac km done
Not a single issue with dsg till date 🤗
Don't say Volkswagen DSG as dct...it's a disrespect to that gearbox
That gearbox is a disrespect in itself
I own a verna 1.0 turbo DCT 2020.
It's been a havoc for me having this car in my garage.. Every now and then I have to visit service center. Heating issue is very frequent. What to do?
It's is flop engine
SIR PLEASE TELL IS DCT EXPENSIVER TO MAINTAIN AS SERVICE COST ?
what is your take on tata altroz DCT in city B2 B traffic with wet clutg ?? Please revert as i have booked XZA + DCT
Can you also make a video on DPF. BS6 Diesel owners are having these kind of issues, especially TATA.
Guys you both are very seasoned and experienced professionals. As a viewer I would like to see the community including youtube professionals working together as one extended group where we may differ on facts and opinions only on the subject and not each other. Pls take this as a feedback with someone who has the best intention at heart. Wish you all the best!
I really really like you guys the way you explain car technology. It’s crisp and short and simple. I’ve heard a lot about DSG & DCT durability but also a fan of this gear box too (dost ki chalaiyi hai khud ki nahi hai, main toh i20 manual chalata hu 😉). I want to buy Verna DCT. Can the heating issue be controlled if it is driven in a manual mode specially in a bumper to bumper traffic??
this awareness is very important. it would be good to hear recommendations too! Probably CVTs are best suitable for Indian conditions, they are the balanced option in terms of smoothness of gear shift and reliability !
CVTs are for aged people who just don't want to shift gears, it's just boring and laggy gear box nothing more then this
@@vijaymaan43 I necessarily dont agree with that, but never mind, your opinions counts!
@@vijaymaan43 arey wo anpadh i am 32 and my first car is a manual and now bought the ivt one for comfort.. apni anpadh wali mentality kahi aur use kar
@@bruce6199 pdhe likhe bhaiya aap ko meri bat smjh bi aayi h ya bss muh utha kar aa gye comment krne that too with lots of mis typing 😂😂
@@DeepakVarshney86 no problem brother, every one has their own opinion towards car. Some people just drive them and don't even know that how does it work what's in it's heart and there are people likes me who understand their cars, who explore their cars and want to know everything about their cars, who can feel if the tyre pressure is right or not, who do check regularly that break oil, steering oil, engine oil, coolant every thing is fine, kuch log to aise hote h tyre puncture bi ho Jaye to pta nahi lagta unko 😅😅
In past Mitsubishi Lancer Evo X can keep up with Lamborghini gallado on track even shake it too
Just when its come to city driving that car always bog down, jerky to drive and every discomfort to drive
So its all about how that car/gearbox is tuned what it designed for and what its main objective
One is cardiologyst &one is Neurologist...both are together.. very good
Hello Gagan and Vikas my first feedback to you both is that you both are hosting content at too casual attitude which is not in my liking. Should be like how you both used to be atleast till last year.
Secondly the VW jokes you both did was not that correct and you both said that at the end of the video about driving pattern. See VW or any German brand is of different class and not to everyons liking but they are most advanced, sophisticated and tough. Japanese can't even reach to that levels coz they make sustainable quality cars.
So please change the way of presentation and targeting brands like VW who are known for quality.
By the way I own WagonR and now bought Taigun AT (not DSG) so felt the difference amount brands.
Sir what about CVTs in Indian Market? Is it reliable?
Same tactic used by me as at 8:10 while driving my VW.. Put it in ‘N’ when you know you’ll have to wait, say, at the red signal or in a slow creeping / jammed traffic.
You can actually feel the engine getting less stressed, if you do that..
Which city you drive? Bumper to bumper traffic, which moves at snails pace with continuous start stop, can be extremely taxing in the dual clutch transmission. Repeatedly (every 3-4 seconds)putting it in N or P defeats the very purpose of automatic.
@@sunilsg24 Pune and Nagpur.. Not such a poor traffic scene as you described.. Agreed that it would be a pain in a snarl.
What about tata’s DCA?
amt dct same ho jaeynge...not possible....dct even though slowed down it never losses power while shifting gear
traffic signal keep in N or P, STOP-GO traffic like bangalore keep in manual, be careful in 3rd gear, 3-2 switch vw dsg gets confused it gives huge jerk, so dont keep it confused in 3rd-2nd switch scenario