I did everything right to prepare my plots for fall planting. Unfortunately, Mother Nature didn’t do her part. And they were all epic failures. Last year’s drought was devastating. I planted the day before we got a good rain, the first in three months, only to see the lord germinate and then get burned up by more drought and extremely above normal temperatures. It definitely was a gut punch. Even the winter rye I planted to try to salvage the plots struggled early October. It was just a rough and disappointing food plot season all around here. Hoping for better results this fall.
Hey John unfortunately I’m one of those guys who was impacted by the drought last season , that said I was guided by a certain individual regarding no-till and for my situation it seemed to kinda work but it was never as good as I was hoping it too be this year I will follow your lead and get the seed in the ground , then roll over it hopefully protecting it against drought and turkeys. Thanks for the informative video.
Best seed advice on RUclips. And free! Lol. I planted my sweet feast last year expecting rain within a day or two….13 days later, it finally rained. Seed held on and exploded! Walked plots yesterday, deer are still hitting them. Thanks John!
First time last year and I got crushed by drought but cereal rye saved the day. Got a soil test. This year will fertilize and lime and use John’s seed again. But oh boy the shipping is killing me in NY.
We are doing our best to hold the cost down on shipping. More dealers coming for our Eastern states customers. Possibly look at a pallet with a bunch of folks together. Big savings on shipping that way.
@@northwoodswhitetailsfoodpl2663 didn’t mean to imply it’s your fault. Everything with shipping is crazy. How many pounds would qualify for a palate? Also def interested in any dealer info you can provide.
I use and swear by Johns seed in Syracuse NY area, I would be up for shared S/H fees and or a local seed dealer....Brassicas as big as cantaloupes last year even in the drought....The deer in Taylor Valley area ripped them up and are still digging them up as of 1/25/23......
@@jeffrioux4900 Jeff. I’m just south of Herkimer. I was doing the no till thing and first time out of the gate. If I order rye from John my order comes in around 625#s less 300 without rye.
I need to order your switchgrass asap. I’ve never planted it before. I’ve just sprayed gly and in two weeks will be back to break ground and start planting.
I love the idea of having planting instructions for all your seed on line. I always research the best way to plant what ever I am seeding and have been pretty successful. Until last year with switch grass got a lot of fox tail instead of switch. Plan on taking your advice and Use Quinclorac on it in the spring hope it works.
Spot on advice sir! Thank you. I use a no-till drill and have pretty darn good results. I think you're referring to the other technique of broadcasting into a standing summer crop of buckwheat and smashing. That don't work down here in NC. Red clay- no go. Drill is the way!
Agree on the 24d. If no till sprayer and cultipacker is a must. I would mix 2lbs miracle gro to 20 gallons of water. 40 gallons per 1/8th acre over the thatch layer. Make sure there is thatch.
do you have a suggestion for a soil builder that deer do not like/prefer? I have a small 5 acre area that I have for farming that I'd like to build up but keep deer out of as well. I have an electric fence built but want to try and avoid the desire and still build
Speaking from experience. I planted my hd screen very early last year June 10th south central MN. I could have waited til mid July. My screen ended up well over 15’. It held up pretty good for the most part but we had some serious wind come through in late fall, knocking a lot of it down. I also seeded just a hair too heavy causing thinner stalks. Less seed would have produced thicker stalks and planting 2-4 weeks later than I did would have kept the screen closer to 10-12 feet and I believe it would have held up better than it did. Don’t get me wrong it still did really good. But I think it could have been better had I not made those mistakes. Last, I keep detailed notes on everything I do so I can reference back the following year. Trust me, you won’t remember, so write it down! I write down how much of what seed I put in the bag, the setting on the earthway, the date, temperature, moisture. I even write down dates that it rains and how much. I’ve been able to reference that to correct my mistakes, year to year.
Always confusing to me on mixing chemicals, example 2qts gly per acre. Round up is like 6oz per gallon. But how many gallons does it take to cover an acre sufficiently. Thought about putting a gallon of water in sprayer with pond die,then measuring what it covered? 🤔 I know you have to move along at a certain speed pending on output of what ever kind of sprayer you have and you have to adjust your speed or calibrate sprayer output I just hate to guess at these. Thanks man..love the videos.
It will definitely depend on sprayer set up( how many nozzles and how much water is coming out), speed of atv as well. For my fimco I have 2 nozzles and use about 20 gallons water / 2 qts glyphosate and some crop oil per acre
@@northwoodswhitetailsfoodpl2663 thanks John, somehow I knew you had a good honest answer. So with that being said,thinking of planting15' of your HD screen along side of 20' strip of switch grass which I will plant in March or early April. Will HD screen planted in say june be affected by simazine spraying on switch. I'm thinking your screen will work well while the switch is going through its first year. I'm pretty sure I watched a video you put out on this topic. Thanks again I'll watch it again if I can find it.
John, I frost seeded switch on prepared bare ground between the snow cover in the NW Lower. I just received your RC Big Rock for a line or 2 of screening prepped that I missed, but have more than needed. Is the shelf life good enough to save for NEXT year's frost seeding effort? Alernately, if I get to bare ground by summer and rain cooperates, how much growth is needed for it to survive to next year? In other words would it be better to get a little bit of growth this year or just wait for a full season next year?
Store it in a rubber maid bin in your house and it should be fine. If you can get a good couple sprayings in , and there is adequate rain, you could seed in early June.
Good afternoon, I really like your videos and use your products as well. You say notill quite a few times in this video, I'm assuming you not referring to notill drilling?
@@northwoodswhitetailsfoodpl2663 No real plans I'm just curious on the 2,4 response and broadleaf. Let's assume that my current plot has a bunch of broadleaf weeds and I plan to do soybeans?
Now if we were to do a combined sweet feast or radishes with peas. What would you do for pounds per acre. I’d rather have mixed then split plot in two separate plots
@@northwoodswhitetailsfoodpl2663 i was thinking of trying it 1st of August. Give it 1 mow late may let it go to end first August and start over. Not sure tonnage will be there.
I'm going to experiment with an early June planting mix with food components in the cover. I found a Collard Green variety that allegedly is browse resistant and doesn't bolt in the summer like most spring planted brassicas will. Cow Peas and Lentils in the mix will either produce pods by fall or get eaten to the ground. Depending what develops, my intent is still to overseed fall fooplot seed rolling it into existing veg without gly-killing everything first as previously practiced. I've been burnt by late summer drought in the past (and so has the bare earth without green cover).
Yeah.... I didn't pack that blend enough into too open ground followed by lack of rain. I basically fed the turkeys, cranes and doves. The fall overseeding of winter rye and crimson clover is looking like a great nurse crop for something next, maybe just perennial clover (soon).
I did everything right to prepare my plots for fall planting. Unfortunately, Mother Nature didn’t do her part. And they were all epic failures. Last year’s drought was devastating. I planted the day before we got a good rain, the first in three months, only to see the lord germinate and then get burned up by more drought and extremely above normal temperatures. It definitely was a gut punch. Even the winter rye I planted to try to salvage the plots struggled early October. It was just a rough and disappointing food plot season all around here. Hoping for better results this fall.
Try spraying the area with water after seeding and packing? I think it helps
Thanks John, you run your company well. I’ve never been disappointed by Northwoods products.
Hey John unfortunately I’m one of those guys who was impacted by the drought last season , that said I was guided by a certain individual regarding no-till and for my situation it seemed to kinda work but it was never as good as I was hoping it too be this year I will follow your lead and get the seed in the ground , then roll over it hopefully protecting it against drought and turkeys. Thanks for the informative video.
Best seed advice on RUclips. And free! Lol. I planted my sweet feast last year expecting rain within a day or two….13 days later, it finally rained. Seed held on and exploded! Walked plots yesterday, deer are still hitting them. Thanks John!
Used no till also. Really happy with product. South central IL.
Thanks
Great video John.Your seed rocks💯
Thanks 👍
First time last year and I got crushed by drought but cereal rye saved the day. Got a soil test. This year will fertilize and lime and use John’s seed again. But oh boy the shipping is killing me in NY.
We are doing our best to hold the cost down on shipping.
More dealers coming for our Eastern states customers.
Possibly look at a pallet with a bunch of folks together. Big savings on shipping that way.
@@northwoodswhitetailsfoodpl2663 didn’t mean to imply it’s your fault. Everything with shipping is crazy. How many pounds would qualify for a palate? Also def interested in any dealer info you can provide.
I use and swear by Johns seed in Syracuse NY area, I would be up for shared S/H fees and or a local seed dealer....Brassicas as big as cantaloupes last year even in the drought....The deer in Taylor Valley area ripped them up and are still digging them up as of 1/25/23......
@@jeffrioux4900 for sure
We do a lot of group orders on a pallet for folks all over the country
@@jeffrioux4900 Jeff. I’m just south of Herkimer. I was doing the no till thing and first time out of the gate. If I order rye from John my order comes in around 625#s less 300 without rye.
Always such great information. Thanks for your time and expertise!
Great information.
Now this is good honest info. Thanks John definitely will be buying more seed from you.
Gotta be honest and real !!
Me too!
I need to order your switchgrass asap. I’ve never planted it before. I’ve just sprayed gly and in two weeks will be back to break ground and start planting.
once you spray you dont want to break ground
till first then start spraying.
I love the idea of having planting instructions for all your seed on line. I always research the best way to plant what ever I am seeding and have been pretty successful. Until last year with switch grass got a lot of fox tail instead of switch. Plan on taking your advice and Use Quinclorac on it in the spring hope it works.
Spot on advice sir! Thank you. I use a no-till drill and have pretty darn good results. I think you're referring to the other technique of broadcasting into a standing summer crop of buckwheat and smashing. That don't work down here in NC. Red clay- no go. Drill is the way!
Yes
The no till we are talking about is seed above the ground, not the drill.
@@northwoodswhitetailsfoodpl2663 yes sir. Thought so. Keep the good, no nonsense info coming!
Agree on the 24d. If no till sprayer and cultipacker is a must. I would mix 2lbs miracle gro to 20 gallons of water. 40 gallons per 1/8th acre over the thatch layer. Make sure there is thatch.
I like a lawn roller for notill. More consistent.
do you have a suggestion for a soil builder that deer do not like/prefer? I have a small 5 acre area that I have for farming that I'd like to build up but keep deer out of as well.
I have an electric fence built but want to try and avoid the desire and still build
Our soil builder blend does not have much deer “food” in it , but produces a lot of organic matter.
Will Foxtail come up every year with the switch grass if you don't spray it/mow it?
It may
Mowing may help slow it down, but some quinclorac may be needed
@northwoodswhitetailsfoodpl2663 thank you, I'll keep an eye on it this spring to see if I need to spray.
Speaking from experience. I planted my hd screen very early last year June 10th south central MN. I could have waited til mid July. My screen ended up well over 15’. It held up pretty good for the most part but we had some serious wind come through in late fall, knocking a lot of it down. I also seeded just a hair too heavy causing thinner stalks. Less seed would have produced thicker stalks and planting 2-4 weeks later than I did would have kept the screen closer to 10-12 feet and I believe it would have held up better than it did.
Don’t get me wrong it still did really good. But I think it could have been better had I not made those mistakes.
Last, I keep detailed notes on everything I do so I can reference back the following year. Trust me, you won’t remember, so write it down! I write down how much of what seed I put in the bag, the setting on the earthway, the date, temperature, moisture. I even write down dates that it rains and how much.
I’ve been able to reference that to correct my mistakes, year to year.
Good advice
John I have a pigweed problem with rye , how would you deal with that ?
John what do you have to get rid of Johnson grass in my soybean field. Thanks
Try clethoy
Always confusing to me on mixing chemicals, example 2qts gly per acre. Round up is like 6oz per gallon. But how many gallons does it take to cover an acre sufficiently.
Thought about putting a gallon of water in sprayer with pond die,then measuring what it covered? 🤔
I know you have to move along at a certain speed pending on output of what ever kind of sprayer you have and you have to adjust your speed or calibrate sprayer output I just hate to guess at these. Thanks man..love the videos.
It will definitely depend on sprayer set up( how many nozzles and how much water is coming out), speed of atv as well.
For my fimco I have 2 nozzles and use about 20 gallons water / 2 qts glyphosate and some crop oil per acre
@@northwoodswhitetailsfoodpl2663 thanks John, somehow I knew you had a good honest answer. So with that being said,thinking of planting15' of your HD screen along side of 20' strip of switch grass which I will plant in March or early April. Will HD screen planted in say june be affected by simazine spraying on switch.
I'm thinking your screen will work well while the switch is going through its first year. I'm pretty sure I watched a video you put out on this topic. Thanks again I'll watch it again if I can find it.
@@timhatfield6367 get the Simizine down for both all
At once
@@northwoodswhitetailsfoodpl2663 you the man...Again.
Thanks you don't know how much this helps...ok..you do. Lol
John,
I frost seeded switch on prepared bare ground between the snow cover in the NW Lower. I just received your RC Big Rock for a line or 2 of screening prepped that I missed, but have more than needed. Is the shelf life good enough to save for NEXT year's frost seeding effort? Alernately, if I get to bare ground by summer and rain cooperates, how much growth is needed for it to survive to next year? In other words would it be better to get a little bit of growth this year or just wait for a full season next year?
Store it in a rubber maid bin in your house and it should be fine.
If you can get a good couple sprayings in , and there is adequate rain, you could seed in early June.
Good afternoon, I really like your videos and use your products as well. You say notill quite a few times in this video, I'm assuming you not referring to notill drilling?
notill / buckwheat crush / spray seed and crush methods
no till drill is as good as it gets as it gets the seed in the ground
So what's the suggestion for broadleaf weeds and you want to plant a broadleaf plot?
What are you looking at planting and when
@@northwoodswhitetailsfoodpl2663 No real plans I'm just curious on the 2,4 response and broadleaf. Let's assume that my current plot has a bunch of broadleaf weeds and I plan to do soybeans?
@@Brandon-uo1rv you can use 2-4d early but I’d wait 3-5 weeks after spraying before planting soy beans
@@northwoodswhitetailsfoodpl2663 Thank you
Now if we were to do a combined sweet feast or radishes with peas. What would you do for pounds per acre. I’d rather have mixed then split plot in two separate plots
75-100 pounds per acre peas
6 pounds sweet feast
We do not add any more radishes to the sweet feast. It already has 20% radishes.
@@northwoodswhitetailsfoodpl2663 and they could be planted in the same plot at the same time at tgat rate?
@@mikehamm4987 yes
Together.
But I like a side by side of that planting next to some cereal grains like our fall forage
You think a sandy soil builder added rye with radish and red clover / chicory can be a 12mth plot. Maybe 1 mow in early June????
Interesting thought but not sure.
Eventually it would be all clover chicory by next year.
@@northwoodswhitetailsfoodpl2663 i was thinking of trying it 1st of August. Give it 1 mow late may let it go to end first August and start over. Not sure tonnage will be there.
I'm going to experiment with an early June planting mix with food components in the cover. I found a Collard Green variety that allegedly is browse resistant and doesn't bolt in the summer like most spring planted brassicas will. Cow Peas and Lentils in the mix will either produce pods by fall or get eaten to the ground. Depending what develops, my intent is still to overseed fall fooplot seed rolling it into existing veg without gly-killing everything first as previously practiced. I've been burnt by late summer drought in the past (and so has the bare earth without green cover).
Yeah.... I didn't pack that blend enough into too open ground followed by lack of rain. I basically fed the turkeys, cranes and doves. The fall overseeding of winter rye and crimson clover is looking like a great nurse crop for something next, maybe just perennial clover (soon).