Jim Cornette - Why The Midnight Express Quit WCW, Epic Rant on Jim Herd
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- Jim Cornette discusses why the Midnight Express quit WCW in 1990, ending one of the most successful tag team runs in pro wrestling history. Stream the Full Shoot Interview 📺 TitleMatchNetwo...
This interview was originally produced by RF Video Inc on November 6, 2000 at Jim Cornette's home in Kentucky. Licensed for distribution on Title Match Network.
Hear how repeated disagreements with management, specifically Jim Herd, left Jim Cornette no other option but to quit WCW. After a match vs Tommy Rich & Ricky Morton at Halloween Havoc 1990, Cornette had enough.
As he was walking out, Midnight member Stan Lane decided to join him in leaving the promotion as well. Beautiful Bobby Eaton would stay in WCW as he had a wife and kids to support. Eaton's loyalty was rewarded with an NWA World TV Title run.
Jim and Stan continued to work together as Cornette developed Smoky Mountain Wrestling.
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The Midnight Express, were what every tag team today wished they were.god bless beautiful Bobby Eaton,just a incredible performer and what I hear a better person.
You mean the ebony xperience
I wish Corny would stop beating around the bush and tell us how he really feels. 😂
I love listening to Cornette's stories.
he does not sugar coat anything gets right to the point at least hes honest about how he feels
He always pulls his punches
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@@RealGateGuardianalso anime is cringe
A guy that was running a pizza company was brought in to run a professional wrestling company?! That's like hiring a baseball manager to run your ice cream parlor.
Something tells me a lotta baseball managers could manage an ice cream parlor. The other way around is less likely.
The expression would've been a lot better the other way around. An ice cream parlor manager given the management position of a major league baseball team, with no prep, no training, no experience, and told go!
At that point in time, I couldn’t figure out what happened to the Midnight Express. Treating them that way was total BS.
They almost got 0 push after the 80's.
WCW had top talent in the early 90s but with Herd and later Watts. It was always a badly run company.
Undertaker Triple H Stone Cold 🥶 Steve Austin Come To Mind 🤔
It really wasn't, it was just constantly sabotaged by Turner execs who hated wrestling or wanted to use WCW for their own interests, like then Ole Anderson girlfriend Sharon Sidello, who wanted to be a movie director and thus enforced WCW to do the stupid movie crap like Foley Lost in Cleveland or Beach Blast.
There are also always 2 sides to every story and Jim Herd's Shoot Interview in 2020 made it obvious that he wasn't the clueless fool some like Meltzer want him portrayed. We also know that Cornette is a massive cancer, hence why he was fired from pretty much every job he ever had in wrestling, there's a reason why he clashes constantly with everybody and hates everybody (and of course, it's never his fault)
As for the talent:
- Ole Anderson was the head booker in 1990, not Herd, and he decided that Calaway had no talent and would never draw (fun fact: He was right, because in the 90's as Undertaker, he still never drew and headlined some of the worst drawing PPVs of all time, like Wrestlemania 13, which is the lowest drawing WM of all time, it wasn't uintil the deadman return in 2004 that as a nostalgia act he became big)
- Bill Watts saw the talent in Steve Austin, called him the future and wanted to push him. Then Watts was fired or left and Bankrupt Bischoff told Austin "You wear black, i can't market that" and fired him because "Austin is too injury prone"
- Same with Foley. He was fired by Bischoff because he didn't like him.
- The only bad thing Watts did was push his useless son, but then again, that's something all promoters do and did, every single one.
I actually don’t think Bill Watts did a bad job. I know a lot of people didn’t like the “no coming off the top rope.” Rule, but honestly back when I was watching I hardly noticed and except for when they first started it. When they first brought it in, they made a big deal about it but then if they had a match between Brian Pelman and Jushin Thunder Liger, they would make an announcement or the announcers would say that that rule didn’t apply in this match.
It was really just used as another gimmick for bad guys to cheat, and for the good guys to lose in a way, but everyone knew they would’ve won the match if it wasn’t for the rule, but gave the bad guy something to crow about .
But even that it only lasted a few months, and then everyone forgot about it because everyone was coming off the top rope again . But when I look at the stuff that he did as far as booking man, some of the best stuff in the first half of WCW came from him. The Sting vs Vader feud, Ron Simmons vs Vader, everything they were doing with cactus jack at the time. The NWA world tag team tournament. There was really a lot of good stuff there, and was the guy that put the belt on the first African-American champion between the two big companies.
@@bdr113080 Well putting the belt on Simmons was one of the biggest mistakes ever. Simmons still ranks as the lowest drawing WCW Champion all time and did such bad business that the average House Show attendance dropped from 2,960 (when Vader was Champ) to 930 by December. Hence why he lost the championship to Vader at a untelevised House Show (and the attendance numbers instantly double with Vader as Champion)
Yeah, early 90s WCW era was stacked & you also had names coming & going at various times also..
Cornette was so funny.
His tennis racket / mama's boy gimmick was great.
And he played that Character in so many Professional Wrestling Promotions and is synonymous with it.
The momma’s boy part wasn’t a gimmick, that was a shoot!!
I would've loved to have seen Cornette & the Midnight Express in the WWF in the late 80's early 90's. The matches they could've had with the Bulldogs, Hart Foundation, Rockers etc would've been epic.
He most likely wouldn’t have liked it there due to the emphasis on entertainment over wrestling
Would have been awesome, but WWF was land of the giants in the late 80s. Bulldogs would be a dream match but Tommy was basically crippled by this time
Oh yeah... but they would have probably been presented as used car salesmen who wrestled only to promote sales....
Would have been jobbing to demolition or added to Bobby heenan's family.
@jasonelliott7977 Not with the tag teams mentioned in the comment. Midnight Express vs the Hart Foundation would have been a classic.
Always love listening to Corny rant!
Sweet Stan & Beautiful Bobby are the best version of The Midnight Express & in my top 5 tag teams of all time.
I know he pisses people off but i love the guy!
He reminds me of Quentin Tarantino after snorting a line of...😂
This dude is that good, he gives Heenan a run for his money - Legend!
I've been a proud mark for cornett since 1984 and still to this day I love his podcast ❤️
I like Jim, BUT, Nooooo.
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Exactly
You don't find that kind of loyalty today even with family
I haven’t seen this much loyalty since Korea - Cornette
This Jim Cornette Interview changed the game forever in 2000 🔥
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Ric Flair didn't care too much about Jim Herd
Herd wanted Flair to shave his head, wear an earring and call himself Spartacus. That idea went down in flames just like Herd's idea of a team called the Hunchbacks (Herd's premise: "You can't pin them"). The Ding-Dongs was one idea that went through.
Since finding out how the Raper Boy Ric Flair really is like assaulting women, I love when he gets humiliated.
Greatest talker for me in wrestling , man he is just a master of talking ...
Still is with his podcast.
I could listen to him telling stories all day, and I have.
Bobby Eaton was one of my favorite wrestlers of all time never got the notoriety he truly deserves he is truly missed
Jim Cornett is hands down the greatest mind in wrestling
This man has wrestling back! Like him or hate him he loves this industry! He's real!
Herd didn't know anything about wrestling when he got hired, closest he came to the business was when he used to be program director at a TV station that happened to have a hot wrestling show. When he came in he was looking to compete with what he perceived wrestling to be, the colorful over the top muscleheads, he didn't see that WCW was supposed to be the intelligent alternative to the WWF. So of course he didn't want the Midnight Express because they weren't big enough or flashy enough.
I’m tired of all the hate on the Ding Dongs!! 😅
Unless I've gotten the year wrong, $250,000 then is about $640,639.97 now.
Yeah, I make it around 650k
Crazy money
All's I know is I love WCW for NWA I watched it every Saturday morning on TBS I made sure I stayed home to watch that wrestling show before I went anywhere else as a kid after Houston wrestling Houston wrestling major wrestling hub for years now nothing can't even hardly get companies to come here anymore very sad
Someday Jim will be able to clear that phlegm in his throat.
sometimes i think its him saying everything is just a work, like when a wrestler uses brother in a promo
He's a heavy smoker
It's a 6 hr interview. Is your throat sore from taking for 6 hrs.
@@jeremythomas5568 no
Yeah but he does it always
He did the face!!!
Midnight Express were the second best tag twam ever via NEA/WCW and Cornette is in top 5 of best managelrs ever
The Road Warriors had already turned heel weeks prior when they turned on Sting
How can you not love Jim Cornett, he’s like half of the friends I have, lol all these guys are the same, it’s great, don’t take peoples crap!
Does Corny wear the same style frames of glasses all the time? Even the cartoon covers on his channel have the same frames! I wanna get me a pair now. 😄
He's worn them for so long they're almost back in style
They're called Double Bridge style frames and they're awesome; had a pair of my own since the mid-10's
I have always wished that when the horsemen ended with arn and tully going to wwe.... i wanted jim and the midnight x joining ric and barry in the 4 horsemen.... epic
Let's remember the Crockett's had other business ventures much bigger than NWA wrestling, so they can afford to pay their wrestlers good money because in the end if they took a loss it was a tax write-off. I mean you can't pay these wrestlers all these years this kind of money without figuring out it's a tax off. But still Crockett and the NWA were doing big money in the days and they paid the wrestlers well. Everyone you've ever talked to from those old days were paid well from the Crockett's. But remember in a business where the territories were being gutted because all the talent was either going to the Crockett's or to WWF NWA wrestlers we're lucky to get paid what they were getting paid. They had two Jets for crying out loud, in the WWE you have to figure out your own transportation after a while. But when heard took it over he was a total nightmare, I didn't know wrestling from boxing. They had such great talent they're still also but when you don't know how to execute your talent your history. I imagine if the Crockett's were still running things and not selling things probably still would have been all right. I mean everyone that left to go up north to the WWF eventually came back to NWA/WCW, PEOPLE SEEM TO FORGET THAT FACT. 👍🤠
Love listening to these! Gets me through the work week!
Reminds me of Executive Idiots in my work, lol
Be interesting to know what Demolition or Heart foundation made in 1989, ballpark.
More then the NWA guys in that time
@@attiepollard7847 Or so everyone's lead to think lol
@@sampleoffers1978 Arn Anderson add Tony Blanchard confirm it in interviews that day was getting paid lots of money in wwf compared to what they was getting paid in the Nwa
@@attiepollard7847 They left partly over money though, and relatively quickly. Not sure they lasted a year.
@@sampleoffers1978they joined in Autumn 88 & left around Thanksgiving of 89
Does anyone know...if the Midnight Express ever feuded with the VonErics... just curious.... Thanks
i been watching wrestling for 45yrs..have never seen them have a feud
No. They were in mid south when the von erichs were working the freebids in Texas. Then world class dropped business. By then the midnight were working in Crockett 86-90.
I think they had one match while the Midnights were in World Class
There’s two people on the planet that I could listen to for hours on end…David Lee Roth and Jim Cornette. Absolute GOATS!
Favorite part of this is the interviewer going "right" at every pause no matter what Cornette says, including instances of Cornette saying one thing, the interviewer agreeing, Cornette correcting himself, and the interviewer also agrees with that!
Wild!
How come midnight never went to wwe?
They had a better spot in NWA (JCP) in 86. More TV time, title holders, top heels. If Condrey and Eaton work in WWF in 86, they're jobbers, just based off their looks in Vince's mind.
They would've never got over. McMahon wanted personality rather than "wrastlers".
Vince would give them a really stupid gimmick change their names and call them something else
Love jim he is a gag. Honest and hilarious.
DING DONGS and HUNCHBACKS?!?
Jim is like me. I'm a jerk, and I can't stand when people are jerks. And if they are jerks to me I snap on them immediately without even thinking about how I'm a jerk.
Corny v. Ole in a grumpy bastard argument must've been hilarious.
I'd end up jumping in and take the opportunity to out do both of them though and they'd quit fighting and team up on me.
I'm legit that big of a real life heal.
Sometimes its fun.
It a called being a douche lol. I'm 1 too.
He is brutally honest, people say that’s being a jerk. I say it’s being genuine.
@@BobJone-ve7ig I prefer to be around people like that. You always know where you stand.
This is my favorite video
Geez Corny why don't you tell us how you really feel? 😂
The most fascinating talker I've ever seen. His life is a promo
This man is a national treasure
How do you really feel about it?
Ronnie and Jimmy Garvin? I think I would have remembered that.
It's when Cornette threw the fireball in Ronnie's face.
I can't believe jim knows Gaffney sc
Cornette wcw rants >
Those are some real old lady glasses
Where’s the part about switching the finish with the Road Warriors that ticked off Herd?
This is the Cornette Meme face ~~
At the end of the day, Jim Herd>>>>>>Russo.
The Ding Dongs>>>>Beaver Cleavage
It is what it is, folks!
As a kid, i thought the Ding Dongs were funny. I was ok with them.
@@0tt0z ^This guy gets it
Probably to get away from Cornette.
the road warriors were already heels. they turned on sting in the 6 man against the varsity club
Express had already turned face as well after feud with Tully and Arn before they left for wwf.
It's funny that Jim hates Herd for being a bully, but likes Watts, who, by most accounts, was a bully.
Watts was knowledgeable and knew what he was doing. Herd was clueless. I think Jim respected Bill Watts. That's just my opinion, though.
@0tt0z I get that. It's more about how his flat statement seems hypocritical.
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It’s a statement with lots of context. Bill Watts was a hardass, for sure, and the line between that and “bully” can be very blurry.
@jackdaone6469 Don't get me wrong. I like Cornette, but his statement about his stance on bullies is unambiguous, and most of the wrestling personalities I've listened to say Watts was a bully. I've never met him, and I understand that the line between hardass and bully often depends on which angle you're seeing it from. Watts is also not the only person in the business with a reputation as a bully that Cornette likes.
If Cornette had stated any of his other grievances with Herd as his primary issue and added the bully tag on top, the statement wouldn't seem so hypocritical.
@@yujiro424aint no one cares bro about your input bucko jim doesn't have to list his likes and dislikes of people to please yall
its a good thing jim cornette doesnt believe in guns too big it seems like 😂😂
Was I just auctioned something?
I think he held back too much in this interview
While I love how Jim evicerates Herd for being such an idiot, I had to pause there when it came to refusing the singles run and babyface turn for Bobby Eaton, because they wanted to stay a team and not change anything about their status quo.
Because this is the same guy who kept ranting at Sami Zayn for not wanting to change his gimmick when he was El Generico, because he liked it and was over with it.
Kinda hypocritical.
Jim never has been a talker
Jim Cornette is fn awesome and I swear I wish I could meet him in real life. I would fan out lol
Wcw in the early 90s was exciting. They had talents from Mexico Japan Europe having explosive fun matches in a style we didn't get at wwf at all.
I love getting away from everyday stresses and chilling out listening to Jim talking about his wrestling experiences, the only small complaint I have, if any, is I listen to Jim to hear him talk about his life in the wrestling world, I just wish he'd keep his politics out of things, I have no interest in who he supports politically, it's not why I became a fan of his.
I could listen to corny talk wrestling all day😂👍💪🔥💯
good lord he’s talking like professional wrestling is actually wrestling
Cornette doesn't get that Herd probably had the worst job in the history of wrestling. He was working under people at CNN Tower who absolutely HATED having wrestling on their networks because no major sponsors wanted anything to do with the product. Wrestling was viewed about as respectful as porn back in those days especially, and people really believed those who watched wrestling had serious mental problems. Bottom line is that NWA/WCW, especially pre-Bischoff, might have made money for the wrestling company but was always a money pit for the TV network. Quite frankly, I'm amazed Herd showed restraint and never flat out told Cornette that he and all his fellow wrestlers were all fraud criminals who should be in jail.
Just can’t beat Cornette 😂
Jim Cornette is Wrestling 😎
And Paul Heyman
Corny holds the entire history of wrestling in his head. But, God do his politics suck ass.
facts plus tax
He calls stupid, stupid. This means Trump and his ilk too.
Apologies as I've never seen or heard of one but what's a romperoo ? 😂
Jim Cornett getting angry for promoters shouting at people... 😅
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Kind hearts.
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Ding Dongs were the worst!
Jim is good enough for any wrestling business to hire him office , basically any part think the Midnight Express & Jim are one the greatest tags teams of all time.
JR is not a good announcer.
Jim Cornette is like a rabid chihuahua - looks harmless but will rip your face off if you get too close.
God bless America 🇺🇸 and God bless Jerry Lawler lol😊
Aside from his pathetic and bitter vandetta against Russo I like Jim Cornette's stories. One of my favorite stories is "Dairy Queen"
@ef7558 It's not a pathetic and bitter vendetta that he has against Russo and Ferrara. It's actually very well deserved. Russo and Ferrara brought it upon themselves.
Cult of meat and extra cheese pre cheese!
It's been said Jim hung around the gay Wrestlers. Hmm
Hung huh? 🤔
To be fair Stan lane was starting to look older so I could see why they didnt care as much for him. Same with the horsemen,, Tully and Ole. Should have dumped Tully a year after they dumped ole.
Tully looked weak in the wwf when he and arn went their btw. He was the Greg Gagne of the nwa imo. Arn looked OK but they were no match for the powers of pain or road warriors.
Watts didn’t want to change with the times and Heard was just dumb to the sport
Cornette still swears too much. He is another washed up has been.
Can't the dude doing the interview.
jim and vinny ru who know nothing about wrestling and should never have been in wrestling in the first place
The problem is that 99 percent of people who "know anything about wrestling" especially back then are the types of people TV networks and mainstream businesses want nothing to do with because they're pretty much criminals. Put it this way: Vince K McMahon is actually one of the more HONEST people in wrestling history.
Did you have a stroke?
He is a great storyteller?