Jim Cornette on Vince McMahon Trying To Sign The Midnight Express
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I love listening to Jim talk. I don't always agree with his opinions but I have so much respect for him and his experience. He has a great memory and great stories.
"I think we've driven that point home, that your father was disgusted by the thought of me sharing his fucking oxygen on this planet."
So good XD
if someone goes straight to this comment without watching the clip first, they would assume that he was talking about Vince's father lol
The Midnight Express vs The Hart Foundation would've been the shit. Bret vs Bobby would've been tremendous.
You are totally right. Since you brought that up, I am imagining how awesome a series of matches that would be.
How about The Midnight Express Vs. The Rockers?
The Hart Foundation vs The Rock 'n' Roll Express would have been better. The Heel Hart's vs the Babyface Rock n Roll
Midnight Express vs the Bulldogs would be better
Took the words outta my mouth
The Midnight Express vs the Rockers would also had been great. The Midnight Express vs the Rougeau Brothers too.
Midnight Express vs Hart Foundation would have been the match I wanted to see.
Midnight Express vs Rockers woulda been cool too or Midnight Express vs Strike Force or Varsity Club
Absolutely.
Or the bulldogs
No doubt! That would have been amazing. Aldo, the Midnights vs. The Brittish Bulldogs.
Same here!!
Corny is right, the Midnight Express would not have fit in with WWF’s style. The WWF liked 6-8 minute matches, while sometimes it the Midnight would have a match where the finish took ten minutes because of all the moving parts working together to get the result.
Did WWF’s live shows have a 20 minute broadway? Or was it more of the 6-8 minute matches? A lot of those guys were so blowed up that if they had to do a 20-30 minute match the first three rows at ringside would pass out from oxygen deprivation.
JeffT if being blown up kept a rassler from going 20 minutes, then how did Ultimate Warrior and Hul Kogan do it in Wrestlemania six?
Jeff T But Jim also complains that the Von Erichs and Freebirds got bigger payoffs for doing 8-minute matches while the Midnight Express was doing 20-minute matches for smaller payoffs
@@michaelkaminski8339 Hogan n warrior was a train wreck!!
"Did WWF’s live shows have a 20 minute broadway? "
Absolutely they did; usually depended on who the workers were.
Seen a few with Brian Blair, Tito Santana, Bob Orton, the Bulldogs vs. The Hart Foundation, the Killer Bees vs. The Hart Foundation, think I saw a Hercules - Billy Jack Haynes 20-minute draw on one card, later the Rockers vs. Tully and Arn would have a bunch of 20-minute draws.
@@georgenoriegajr I don't know, maybe it was only a few times in reality, but I feel like I saw a million time-limit draws with Tito Santana vs somebody on Prime Time Wrestling (which I watched religiously in the late 80s, so much that I remember getting pissed when the damn dog show was on USA Network that Monday instead, lol)
I really doubt they would've did as well in the WWF. I wonder what kind of clown costumes that Vince would've made them wear and I could only imagine the goofy gimmick.
Probably would have hired some old lady to play Jim Cornette mother
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And if Vince doesn't "discover you" it's like he doesn't want to push u
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Vince would of jobbed them out and ruin them
Jason Voorhees Yes you are right, Jason! Stupid Vince McMahon💩
Would have, would of doesn't make sense. You are hearing would've, and hearing it wrong. Sorry but that one is common and it drives me nuts.
J Cantrell
thanks for your contribution.
Or, like the Revival, he would have tried to make them wear lipstick and dance around like clowns. Probably even put Cornette in a rainbow suit and wave a cheerleader’s Pom-Pom instead of a tennis racket
Totally agree.
Midnight express against the British bulldogs in the 80s would have been great.
i'm glad that i was spared the torture of seeing the ME in wince mchamm's wwf flea circus
The Midnight Express was a staple in the NWA specially the promos it wouldn't have been the same had they left the NWA
I doubt that if they were in the WWF Vince would have watered them down.
@@revans100591 He did with the Road Warriors. And Telly and Arn Anderson
Cornette is the greatest talker in a business full of great talkers...love this guy.
I don’t know. I think it’s a toss up between Cornette and Bobby Heenan. I can’t argue with you though
@@AnTunZee We’ll just do the Hogan/Flair thing and call it the best WWF/E talker and the best talker from the territories.
Heenan had one of the quickest wits I think I’ve ever seen anywhere…he’ll never get enough credit in my eyes tbh. Great call including him in this conversation.
Why doesn't Jim understand that you need the heel doll/action figure for your face doll/action figures to fight?
LunnyBear Jim despite being a success he had some major miscalculations
Nobodys perfect
@@tonyh1718 Curt. Hennig.
@@TheLunnyBear well, thats a given
I think he gets it *now* ! Lol
"$80000 doll checks!" LMAO
Vince would've ruined the Midnight Express. The Bulldogs and them would've been epic. Maybe Rougeau's and Harts too. But after a year or two, they'd been jobbed out
Na Cornette would have had em leave. Cornette was just as important as Bobby Stan and Dennis
jim cornette would have managed ric flair as a world champ
He didn't have to...
u dont think so
that would have been interesting though
@@israelcrucifiedinchrist797 sure, but Flair never needed much of a manager, even though he used Dillon and Heenan.
@@israelcrucifiedinchrist797 Cornette to me was the "annoying manager", like a fly buzzing around...the only managers that would work well with Flair were "mafia boss" types...and he got both of those in Dillon and Heenan.
Time to reprint the scrapbook...
Not to mention Bobby and Dennis didn't have the steriroid body type he liked!?
A lot of people are commenting that they would have wanted to see the Midnight vs The Hart Foundation. Agree totally...those matches would have been legendary.
It's fun to imagine what kind of programs they could have run, because WWF had a Murderer's Row of great tag teams in the mid-late 80s. The Midnights versus the Harts, the Bulldogs, the Killer Bs, the Rougeaus, Demolition, Strike Force, the Rockers--all of them would have been white-hot if booked properly. The biggest issue would have been the kind of gimmick Vince would try to saddle them with, or if he'd let them be themselves. Cornette would have been on the same level as Bobby Heenan if Vince just let him run his mouth; the Midnights could have had Honky-Tonk Man type heat, where people would buy a ticket just to see those guys get the shit beat out of them, even if they weaseled out with a win at the end.
If we could have had to Rockers vs. The Midnight Express... Hart Foundation... :'(
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Jim namechecks John Steed! Sweet!
That was awesome
The bulldogs vs the rock and roll express was fantastic
Looking back the Harts had the most respectable tag team run of that era.The Midnights would have not fared that well in the WWF long term.
I love listening to Jim, but I don't think Vince McMahon would have been excited about guys who looked like Condrey and Eaton. They were really dumpy looking. Yes, they could definitely wrestle, but this is the WWF we're talking about. They would not have given a dumpy-looking tag team a big push. Tully and Arn were probably borderline, and The Midnights were a couple steps below that, in terms of appearance.
How about The Midnight Express Vs. The Rockers?
Steve Vestel That would have been a great match to see!
Lover boy Dennis body type would of never worked in wwf back then
In 1986? Maybe, maybe not. As heels though, he might have got over as "Loverboy" like Buddy Rose got over as a "Playboy".
@@clarknapper3933 gotten
I am glad that the Midnight Express did not go to the WWF WWE it seems like WWE or WWF whatever ruined NWA Stars careers
See you can look at it that way but in a real way it just makes the mainstream show look better. It's kind of the equivalent of the DIY punkers putting on the punk shows at the VFW hall or the B show circuses in the 1920s. The Ringling Brothers loved those shows because anyone who had seen both could testify as to why they were worth twice the price. This is America, those types of shows are what is awesome about America
Was Ernie Ladd the Wrestler that had bad knees? I can't remember what the guy's name was but I am almost sure it was Ernie Ladd.
the worry that Vince might ruin a popular and talented wrestler: Then, Now, Forever
Hart Foundation Midnight Express is a tragic never was match
I broke Wahoo's leg.
Midnight Express vs Badd Company from AWA w/ Diamond Dallas Page
That Would Have Been A Good Fucking Match To See
Problem is 1986 what teams was there to go up against? US Express were not long for WWE, Bulldogs would have been a good match up and Can-Am Connection, but Harts and Demolition did not turn face until 1988, so in 1987 they would have been cannon fodder for Strike Force, and probably pick up wins v Young Stallions, and that’s if Vince does not get the urge to give them a face turn
I thought that voice was dusty
No lithsp. Lol
Me too
The Trailer Park EXPRESS!
Too bad Vinces " talent scout" coordinating skills involved stealing talent from every other promotion.
When he mentions Rick Rubin is that the same Rick Rubin music producer that owned and ran DEF jam records?
Robbin Taylor Yes
"Long story short?" Long story already long at that point.
I like Jim's impression of Cornette
Midnight Express vs The Mulkey Brothers AND.......the Mulkey Brothers winning.
Midnight express vs the bulldogs
Vince would have dumped Bobby and Dennis and kept Cornette.
so few did good business outside WWF....
Thank God they didn't go
Midnight would of been jobers
I'm glad They didn't go to WWE.
stop hating
He says that Ernie puts him them over but at the end tries to flip if into Vince putting them over. I almost didn't catch it but It was pretty slick. I think he made the whole thing up anyhow
Various forms of shit.
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The Rock and Roll Express, The Midnight Express, The Fabulous Freebirds, The Midnight Rockers, The Road Warriors ... none of them can hold a candle to the Zambouie Express!!
I'll tell you a match I would have loved to have seen. The Fabulous Freebirds Vs. The Rockers
Ray Candy!!!
Sorry Corny but y'all wouldn't have beaten Hartfoundation
No that's just it they would have been jobbed out Corney and Midnight done the rite thing an stayed, at Crockett
I am glad the Midnight Express didn’t go to the WWF. Vince would’ve ruined them for sure. It was a very wise choice to stay in the NWA.
I agree Vince would make them job to everybody especially the rockers vince kill ed all nwa world class talent that was over
Vince deliberately ruined Southern rasslin stars and their gimmicks
"Have I Eva lied to ya. Gonna make more money than you Eva seen" Reminds me of
"Dis time next year. Gonna be makin Sthitcoms and movies". Wrestling business is full of dreamers.
Nothing wrong with dreaming .
But they DID make a sitcom
Was it not “major motion pictures?”
Gotta say, Hart Foundation vs the Midnight Express could have been the greatest tag team matches of all time.
Imagine Cornette and Jimmy Hart outside the ring at the same time. Lol
Corny does an epic Ernie Ladd impression.
Yes indeed.
Midnights would not have done as well, or as made as much money, in the WWF in 1986 as they did in the NWA.
For all those saying Vince woulda ruined the Midnights, Arn and Tully did pretty well in their WWF tenure. The Midnights would've had some fantastic matches there.
Arn? As a 90s WWF fanboy that was all Wrestling i got in germany...for me Arn was a jobber...thats how WWE sold him.
@@herzkine a world tag team champion is not a jobber
And then Vince would have broken the Midnights up to find a singles star because of what happened with Shawn.
@@jackdaone6469 Vince would never have seen either of them as single stars
@@MichaelAllred Neither did anybody in charge of JCP or WCW considering how their individual careers went
Best and my favorite "loud mouthed manager" in wrestling period.
The Midnight Express vs The British Bulldogs could have been great.
How about The Midnight Express Vs. The Rockers?
Or the Hart Foundation for that matter. Of course, one of them would have had to turn face.
@@SuperDevolution All those matches would have been better if the other team had gone to the NWA instead of the Midnights going to the WWF.
Bulldogs in Smokey Mountain would be great they would have lasted longer than they did in the WWF .
They would have been destroyed by Studd and Bundy 🤔
Wwf would have ruined the midnight. Best thing they ever done is stay where they were. Best tag team ever
They would've done well with hart foundation
right like If Sting had went north early on bad idea. They stayed were they stayed and are legends now, McMahon woulda buried them.
@J Pennington steiners?
The Killer Bees and the Bulldogs did good enough with the Hart Foundation in 86.
Exactly Vince Mcmahon not Russo is the true arch bishop of talent bury .
I'll tell you a match I would have loved to have seen. The Fabulous Freebirds Vs. The Rockers
Rockers vs the Von Erichs. I guess back then it would've been the Midnight Rockers
@@CavemanJesus4Life I just think that would have been a barn burner and or a brawl.
@@CavemanJesus4Life If memory serves Me Shawn Michaels was in a few matches in WCCW before He headed to the AWA up in Minneapolis, Minnesota to work for Vern Gagne.
Midnights vs Hart Foundation, Midnights vs Strike Force, Midnights vs Killer Bees, Midnights vs Rockers. We could have had some classics.
@Java Flav Yes, but Midnight vs Hart Foundation would have been legendary.
Midnight Express vs the Rougeau Brothers
There were a lot of teams in the 80s WWF that would have been great against Midnight Express. The Bulldogs, the Hart Foundation, the Fabulous Rougues Brothers, Strike Force, the Brainbusters, the Killer Bees and the Rockers.
Rougeaus
Killer Bees!!
yeah the midnights weren't meant for 80s wwf
Actually the rockers Shawn and Marty would've been an epic program with the midnight express
Would have been awesome though. Midnight vs Demolition, Bulldogs, Hart Foundation, Strike Force, Dream Team, Powers of Pain, The Rockers, The Rougeau Brothers & The Orient Express.
Hahahhahahahahahahahahaaah, The Midnight Express vs the Bushwackers
Jimmy hart vs jimmy cornette mega phone vs tennis racket. Midnight Express vs British Bulldogs or Beefcake & Valentine or Iron Sheik & Nikolai Volkof maybe even a scaffold match in WWF.
So one match against the Bulldogs then a face turn. How many scaffold matches did the WWF have?
10:44-10:48 wtf Jim lol push it out.
High praise, Corny, driving a guy out of his *own* livingroom just because you were on his TV!
Vince would have changed everything about them...would have made one a Milk Man and the other a Door to Door Door Frame salesman.
Even when playing with wrestling figures there needs to be a Heel to beat
That show Cornette is referring to was an AWA-AJPW produced show I believe. I have the show downloaded but I'm not in front of my computer. As soon as Cornette mentioned that Bulldogs-Rock n Roll Express match, it clicked. That was when the R/R Express were doing work up in the AWA. That's when they worked with the Midnight Rockers (The Rockers) as well.
Yep, it was the AWA show, with support from All Japan.
Matthew Singh-Dosanjh I just looked it up. It was a joint Central States Wrestling, AWA, AJPW show.
midnight vs the killer bees would have been good
Midnites vs The Rockers ?
zt1053 'Futch the Brine Blair!!!!'
With the exception of Hulk Hogan, Vince has never used his television to put over a character that he didn't create. He would have killed their team and their momentum to put over his own guys.
If they're that talented it's unlikely that they would be buried
@@baumgartner96 then name one.
Dudley boys
@@baumgartner96 And who are the Dudley boyz? It sounds like you're referring to 'Team 3-d' as they were known on Vince's tv.
Randy Savage got over. Steamboat was over. Jake was over. British Bulldogs were over. Vince didn't create these guys.
Cornette is da man...
It would fun to see Jim in 2020,go out and find a new talent and manage his team!🤔
They would have been great for WWE. other than The Hart Foundation they didn't have any entertaining "worker" tag teams. Demolition could work but they were more like R.W. who knew how to wrestle. But you get my point.
WWF could have used the Midnights during that mid/late 1991 period after the Rockers broke up, the Harts split and Demolition was pushed out the door. WWF more or less tried to create their own Midnights in the Beverly Brothers. But Cornette, Bobby and Stan would have been a great addition to a tag team division suffering from a vacuum of big talent at the time.
Vince is a shit booker but hands down an amazing marketer.
Nah. The Midnight's wouldn't have quite fit in the WWF circus of gimmicks, just like Tully and Arn never did.
remember what wince mchamm did to the road warriors???
Vince wouldn't have used them right . Look what he did with the Road Warriors , had them playing with dolls . And look at Ric Flair , The Steiner Brothers , Dusty Rhodes . And Arn Anderson and Telly Blanchard . He didn't used these people right . Because they were Jim Crockett boys .
Vince would've changed the name, gave them some stupid ass gimmick, and jobbed them left and right. Look what they did to Dusty Rhodes with the polka dots!
I think that would have killed the Midnightexpress. The 6th Best Team of All Time....
Midnight Express vs Hart Foundation epic
It's funny, Cornette doesn't talk about his family life.
Not really. It's a smart move if you're in the public eye,and especially back when people were trying to kill him on a regular basis.
I wasn't aware he had a family other than his wife.
Let’s just say for the sake of argument cornette had the midnight express at 1980. This means the term action figure had been used often for over 15 years. To say that the term never existed is an incredible display of his ignorance outside the ring. Funny considering he helps talk about marketing often but doesn’t even know the majority of products names.
Corny's Ernie Ladd impersonation is Hilarious!
The Midnight Express in the WWF would've been good, but as Jim stated, Vince didn't give a proposition to them saying "we're gonna give you guys a run with the tag belts and you're gonna have all the great tag teams to go up against". All he said was "we're gonna sell merchandise and dolls" somewhere along those lines. Jim and The Midnights said "no thanks" and went back to Charlotte.
Only one team better than the Hart foundation! Midnight Express!
Jim Cornette doing Ernie Ladd is funny as hell.
Jim cornette and Bobby The Brain Heenan were two of the best managers ever in wrestling!!!!
Here we are two years from the time this video was posted, and Jim now has one of those cars.
Reality ✅️. The Midnight & Rock n Roll Express were too little, & didn't have the 80's WWF image. They were NWA lifers!
the Midnight vs the bulldogs I would have liked to have seen as well.
Bobby and Dennis or Bobby and Stan.Who ya'll got?
That's too tough of choice for me. I really liked how Dennis portrayed such a convincing coward but I also appreciated the way Stan worked.
I hated Dennis, so he gets my choice. The bandanna around the neck, the hair, the dirty cheating coward... Dennis was a much better heel than Stan.
A Midnight Express v. Orient Express feud would've sold some tickets.
Express vs Hart Foundation or Rockers, think they were in the AWA at that time?
Loved his Ernie Ladd impression lol
I thought it was Dusty at first...
In hindsight staying with Crockett/ WCW was the best thing for Midnight Express. Lol Vince seen those mullets hairstyles and was like we don't do that up here Pal.
Who didn't have a mullet in the WWF? Maybe Jimmy Hart because Brutus the Barber had trimmed it so many times which was a tremendous embarrassment for Jimmy in front of the other carnies. State of your comment, mate. nightmarenostalgia.com/tag/wrestling-mullets/
@@gregp103King Kong Bundy Bad News Brown Bam Bam Bigelow no mullets
@@Dakatari Lol Vince saw* those mullets...
Even Elizabeth had a mullet. And Steele's back. And Bad News's sewer rats. Bam Bam didn't but his tattoos had mullets.
@@gregp103 Mullet on his tattoos.. Oh Okay
I was a big fan of Stan Lane, but he is, along with Keirn, the Fabulous Ones. The Midnight Express is Condrey and Eaton.