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  • @taterchipfpv9162
    @taterchipfpv9162 7 лет назад

    Kudos guys now I UNDERSTAND notch filters and how to look at BB to set them up! Thanks!

  • @ShaneWymore
    @ShaneWymore 6 лет назад

    Thanks Chad! Much appreciated, I am on my Final Glide to a good tune. Lol, quad flew pretty damn good but there is a little something (higher frequency I think) causing oscillation here and there, once my logger arrives it shouldn't b a thing anymore. WOOT

  • @ronnye8668
    @ronnye8668 7 лет назад +8

    What about tpa in kiss? We need a new video 👍🏻 regards from Germany.

  • @FAstroHD
    @FAstroHD 7 лет назад

    Fantastic video guys, finally I can understand and actually apply correctly notch filtering.

  • @RcReviewsLt
    @RcReviewsLt 7 лет назад +3

    PID tuning -> Notch Filter -> Motor change -> PID tuning -> Notch filter -> repeat every hard crash

  • @FlyersDistrict
    @FlyersDistrict 7 лет назад +8

    where can I get the clapper board to sink my cameras?

    • @BOTGRINDER
      @BOTGRINDER 7 лет назад +4

      If it was other chad it would be a kapper clapper

    • @nitro-rc6241
      @nitro-rc6241 7 лет назад

      thanks

    • @FlyersDistrict
      @FlyersDistrict 7 лет назад +2

      ahh I see what you did there :)

    • @tcoffel34
      @tcoffel34 7 лет назад

      Bruce, I love it man! lol

  • @JuusoKalliosaari
    @JuusoKalliosaari 7 лет назад +1

    Could you make tutorial from how to use TPA and how it affects flight performance and overall tune?

  • @arminmikle9354
    @arminmikle9354 7 лет назад

    The board at the background to 😅😅😅 Geniuses😅

  • @jonathandahood
    @jonathandahood 7 лет назад

    just like audio production! I can see future update parametric EQ. really filters basically are EQ. cutting out sections, or raise in some cases.
    thanks for the tutorial!

  • @enlightment4747
    @enlightment4747 7 лет назад +7

    guys where are the links?

  • @SoaringExperience
    @SoaringExperience 6 лет назад

    The most pleasable RR membes and ex RR member. I miss Chad. Brilliant sense of humor and always a good idea how to teach stuff

  • @sr175
    @sr175 7 лет назад

    Been missing some finalglide how to! Good stuff thanks!

  • @quadfather504fpv9
    @quadfather504fpv9 7 лет назад

    I love this channel , and the guys are a trip I've learned a lot and had fun doing it , keep it up

  • @mihkelreb
    @mihkelreb 7 лет назад +2

    my tune when from bad to
    bad with some Australian beer

  • @ol-man-duffyj688
    @ol-man-duffyj688 7 лет назад +1

    Tommy / Chad good to see you educating the fans again! Thanks for explaining those filters to us. I was hoping Tommy would have the lab coat though. 😉

  • @lokisdream8438
    @lokisdream8438 7 лет назад

    Outstanding Chad. Thanks for this bro.

  • @GabrielLarke
    @GabrielLarke 7 лет назад +2

    Notch filters are so last month :-P The new hotness in BetaFlight is switching to PT1 and turning off your notch filters! On a quad with balanced motors the propwash handling is amazing!

  • @iandouglas703
    @iandouglas703 7 лет назад

    thanks for the great explanation of the notch filters guys :)

  • @thekuz1982
    @thekuz1982 7 лет назад

    Awesome video guys! Love it, ordered up my black box logger from readymaderc. Have always wondered which was the best to use etc. have some vibes to tune out. Thanks!

  • @thebridgeninja
    @thebridgeninja 7 лет назад +1

    You want to be locked in with a PID tune first before you start notching right?

  • @GenCodeFPV
    @GenCodeFPV 7 лет назад

    NOTE: On the KISS V2 Board they moved the port to the top port. Took me hours for figure out what the heck was wrong. @2:28 looks like they are using Tommys port now :)

  • @kleanthismitsioulisphotography
    @kleanthismitsioulisphotography 7 лет назад

    Very nice guys please next time saw us the how fix the PIDS in blackbox.

  • @jonathandahood
    @jonathandahood 7 лет назад +5

    After not being able to pull up black box data as prescribed from this tutorial, beta-flight BB wouldn't open file. So after 6 packs, and hours of reading....once the RMRC black box is connected it writes a config.text file to SD. when it does this it sets the baud rate to 115200, because of this it wouldn't open in betaflight BB. So i opened the config.text, and changed the baud rate to 250000. Works perfect now. perfect now I smashed my to front motors during second BB pack run :-(
    Kiss FC 1.03 ..firmware KISSFC-1.3RC10

    • @yudaanggoro9607
      @yudaanggoro9607 7 лет назад

      This is the best comment ever! I was puzzled why I couldnt open my log file in Betaflight BB. Thank you so much for sharing!

    • @madsloper
      @madsloper 5 лет назад

      @@yudaanggoro9607 Same here, I went through four different SD cards, changing logging rate and even tried saving the files onto the PC. Awesome Jonathan!

  • @EliasLabordus
    @EliasLabordus 7 лет назад

    Thanks guys! Very helpful. One question, what if the peak is not symmetrical? Like the first one you do in your video. It's much more noisy to the left of the peak than to the right. Cheers

  • @ofiasdfnosdf
    @ofiasdfnosdf 7 лет назад +1

    Have you heard of people having de-sync issues running the newest Kiss 24A ESC firmware (110b_rc7)? I practically rebuilt my "Steele" Alien and couldn't fix it. Then I rolled back to v108f and the issue seems to have gone away.

  • @matthausadamitz2127
    @matthausadamitz2127 7 лет назад

    Great tutorial! A mini series about video quality, covering mounting, angle and tune, would be awesome. That's what you guys do best, right?

  • @rainy724
    @rainy724 7 лет назад

    Each of you guys should release a set of blackbox logs from some of your flights. I'd love compare what your logs look like during sharp maneuvers compared to mine.

  • @rc-wingman5719
    @rc-wingman5719 7 лет назад

    hey can you give us your thoughts about motor-, prop- balancing and soft mounting?

  • @PIDtoolbox
    @PIDtoolbox 7 лет назад

    quick question. In light of the new PT1 betaflight filtering protocol, does the use of notch filters in KISS also result in reduced propwash control, as it does in Betaflight (because of the inherent delay in the filter process)?

    • @ShaneWymore
      @ShaneWymore 6 лет назад

      You might need to redirect this question to the KISS Developers Brother, reach out via an issue in GIT. I would like to know the answer as well, Happy Flying man.

  • @alexanderfedorov7890
    @alexanderfedorov7890 7 лет назад

    Nice video guys!!! 2Chad: Finally ;))))

  • @seafurymike
    @seafurymike 7 лет назад

    TPA/PIDs - Once i set the notch TPA should be ok to go down and possibly increase PIDs to get the quad "more" locked?

  • @Ravi8121
    @Ravi8121 7 лет назад +1

    Hey Chad. Should we be looking at raw gyro data not the pre filtered gyro to set notch filters?

    • @boredmug
      @boredmug 7 лет назад

      Clownz FPV That's my understanding with Betaflight.

    • @dave123443210
      @dave123443210 7 лет назад

      Clownz FPV if you turn off the notch and low pass filters it's pretty much the same right...

  • @JRIPFPV
    @JRIPFPV 7 лет назад

    Quick question, do you recommend setting notch filters with LPF off or High. Right now I run LPF on high, and don't really get any mid throttle oscillations. If I switch LPF to off I get a slight mid throttle oscillations, thats when Im really trying to find that certain throttle spot to make the props resonate. So whats better I guess I'm asking...running LPF off with notch filters set, or running LPF High with no notch filters...or do they pretty much equal the same lol.

  • @TheRcCrawlerKing
    @TheRcCrawlerKing 7 лет назад +1

    Hey finalglide did you set notch filters on the vortex when you tuned it?

  • @jdm724
    @jdm724 7 лет назад

    greaaaat epsiode thnx guys
    hope kiss new hardware will have dataflash onboard

  • @GenCodeFPV
    @GenCodeFPV 7 лет назад +2

    ...please add link to RMRC item just so we are 100% sure we get the right one...thanks like always!

  • @ofiasdfnosdf
    @ofiasdfnosdf 7 лет назад

    Of course those cables are sold out now... Can I just solder to any TX, RX, GND pads on the KISS FC board?

    • @ofiasdfnosdf
      @ofiasdfnosdf 7 лет назад +1

      I tried soldering it to the TX pad near the micro USB adapter and the 5v + ground pads on the opposite side of the board. It created a log file but it appears to be empty. Perhaps this TX pad is not sufficient?

    • @ofiasdfnosdf
      @ofiasdfnosdf 7 лет назад +2

      Anyone out there run into the issue of the log files not producing anything that the log viewer can use? I purchased the logger from RMRC so I'm assuming it already has the correct firmware. I have the same SD card as recommended. I lowered the logging down to 60% just in case. I get log files, but when loaded into the Betaflight log viewer (Chrome App) no data is displayed. Tried several times. The only thing I deviated from was how I connected to the FC (see my previous comment). Any help would be much appreciated.

    • @ofiasdfnosdf
      @ofiasdfnosdf 7 лет назад

      Everyone at Joe Nall? 😄

    • @ofiasdfnosdf
      @ofiasdfnosdf 7 лет назад +1

      Still no luck getting this to work. I'm now wondering if the logger I got from RMRC did not come with the correct firmware installed.

    • @jimd8490
      @jimd8490 7 лет назад

      RotorRiot? Anyone??

  • @jeffvenable3845
    @jeffvenable3845 7 лет назад

    awesome explanation

  • @WackFPV
    @WackFPV 7 лет назад

    How do I directly solder it to the kiss fc? I got a fancy pdb thats using those kiss ports... Derp derp tx pad...

  • @crazymusic7170
    @crazymusic7170 7 лет назад

    Hi all, I crashed my tilted quadcopter and I wanted to go on a classic frame, is it possible to put all the components of the drone on a frame? Will it work because then servo of the tilted rotor is broken.
    Thanks for your answers guys
    Carry on guys I love you !

  • @BryanFast
    @BryanFast 7 лет назад

    am I missing the link in the description for the open logger?

  • @barry.anderberg
    @barry.anderberg 7 лет назад

    Really surprised you guys forgot to mention the change to buad rate in the config

  • @im_ricebowl
    @im_ricebowl 7 лет назад +11

    i dont got any money for these cool toys but i still watch cause you guys are cooooolll....Great Job Guys!

    • @calvinpas3384
      @calvinpas3384 7 лет назад

      MR. Physicist same xD i made a big mistake to buy a traxxas aton

    • @3timesagain.
      @3timesagain. 7 лет назад +5

      MR. Physicist have a look at the uav futures $99 quadcopter build. Then buy a flysky i6, a cheap lipo charger, cheap(box style) fpv goggles and a few 1300-1500mah lipo's and you're set. This will add up to less than $300

    • @im_ricebowl
      @im_ricebowl 7 лет назад +2

      its a different story when you live in a differnt country...but its okay these videos keep me company

    • @3timesagain.
      @3timesagain. 7 лет назад +1

      MR. Physicist Good luck, I'm sure you'll get to fly one one day, what about a qx90c?

    • @im_ricebowl
      @im_ricebowl 7 лет назад +1

      one day, for sure. i could try to save up for one...i am still a student, but i do have a "rip a quad" in my bucket list

  • @fpvjonesy459
    @fpvjonesy459 7 лет назад

    Hi boys I been flying kiss for awhile now on all my quads and getting a bit fed up with kiss and vibration when are there going to release a new upgrade flight controller im considering changing over to raceflight revolt or even betaflight but would prefer to stay with kiss so Chad is there a new kiss fc been talked about in the future or just firmware updates

  • @chris.peters
    @chris.peters 7 лет назад +3

    aaagggggghhhhh Tommy pleeeeease just let Chad speak.

    • @proxlamuz4591
      @proxlamuz4591 4 года назад

      Seriously. Always interupting and talking over him

  • @MrJob91
    @MrJob91 7 лет назад +2

    Ah nice so thats how finalglide gets the screwd up wacky footage with jellow and lines in his gopro!

  • @scarlfpv8613
    @scarlfpv8613 7 лет назад

    i liked de old intro with rotor riot's history

  • @mikmik2424
    @mikmik2424 7 лет назад

    can you please show us how to rescue a drone with another drone (for example mavic) from a roof or so?

  • @kyrenfpv3380
    @kyrenfpv3380 7 лет назад +2

    Damn, the link for the open logger is missing... From what I hear the video it looks like they are talking about this one:
    www.readymaderc.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=505_778_781&products_id=5050
    @rotorriot could you confirm?
    Also where do you get the pin that plugs in the Kiss FC?
    As always, great job guys!!

  • @TomMinnick
    @TomMinnick 7 лет назад

    If you change out props (to same or different make/size), should you go through this process again?

  • @skins6007
    @skins6007 7 лет назад

    Guys, Love the video, but still having issues with getting this to work on my Kiss FC. When I open Cleanflght Blackbox with the TXT file. The screen comes up blank. I set up the gyros graph and hit play but still nothing. No stick commands or graph, just a blank screen. What am I missing?

    • @jimd8490
      @jimd8490 7 лет назад

      Same here. Currently I'm trying to verify that the correct firmware is on the logger, but that is an extremely complicated process. Please let me know if you find answer -- I'll do the same.

    • @jimd8490
      @jimd8490 7 лет назад

      Turned out to be the baud rate for me too. I had initially tried setting it to 250000 and when that didn't work I moved onto other ideas.. Then I read that the correct rate is 256000. Change the number in the config file that gets created on the SD card.

    • @skins6007
      @skins6007 7 лет назад

      Jim D
      Right on, thanks man. I'll give that a try. I was thinking maybe my sd card's writing speed was to slow, but didn't know how to check that. Thanks for the info, I'm trying it now

    • @ofiasdfnosdf
      @ofiasdfnosdf 7 лет назад

      I just thought of one other thing. During the process of troubleshooting I set my logger rate in the KISS GUI to 60%. This may not be necessary but just thought I'd mention it. (Jim D is my other account)

    • @srd369
      @srd369 7 лет назад

      I just found out about setting the baud rate on sd card. Check...but does that only work if you change the baud before you log a flight? Or can i set it and check flight logged with previous baud logged flights?>

  • @RomanKardashov
    @RomanKardashov 7 лет назад

    Anybody knows what's that radio at 0:20? Looks nice

  • @MrCineris
    @MrCineris 7 лет назад

    Where are the results of the propwash tests, Mr. Aus?

  • @CheapTricks
    @CheapTricks 7 лет назад

    PLEASE REVIEW THE BLADE TORRENT 110 QUAD

  • @Corza
    @Corza 7 лет назад

    So.. it just links to a sold out product. Soooo helpful. Now I can get back to NOT using a blackbox and having no idea how to set up a non-rmrc product

    • @ofiasdfnosdf
      @ofiasdfnosdf 7 лет назад

      I wouldn't bother with getting a logger that doesn't already have the correct firmware on it. It's very complicated to get the FTDI hardware and Arduino software setup to flash it. Just wait for RMRC to restock IMO.

    • @chrisarcher9271
      @chrisarcher9271 7 лет назад

      Who else stocks this , RMRC have not been very customer focussed?

    • @ofiasdfnosdf
      @ofiasdfnosdf 7 лет назад

      Chris Archer - yeah I would be happy to paying a few dollars more if they would just make more of them

    • @ofiasdfnosdf
      @ofiasdfnosdf 7 лет назад

      The cables are back in stock now

    • @chrisarcher9271
      @chrisarcher9271 7 лет назад

      NOPE will NOT be buying from READYMADERC again, Flying Squirrel you can have as much Notch Filters as you want if they truly exist!

  • @chrisarcher9271
    @chrisarcher9271 7 лет назад

    Is there anywhere else to get this Notch Filter, I have been waiting 7 weeks from READYMADERC as it has obviously been lost by there transport options. On request they suggest I buy another one!! HELP who else sells this. I do not want to deal with them anymore.

    • @pdgiddie
      @pdgiddie 7 лет назад

      The notch filter is configured in the flight controller software. Are you talking about the black box recorder?

  • @thekuz1982
    @thekuz1982 7 лет назад

    Definitely a long shot posting this here, but I recently got my BB Recorder from Readymaderc and tested it yesterday. Connected it properly, enabled logging 100% and it's a high write speed U1 SD card formatted using the SD card utility, and it creates log files just fine, but I guess they're blank. Betaflight Blackbox utility doesn't open anything, it's a black screen. I don't even know where to start. Maybe flash the firmware on the open logger? But you said they are preflashed to work. So I really don't know. Heeeeeeeeeeeelp!

    • @WaFLFPV
      @WaFLFPV 7 лет назад

      I'm having the same exact problem. Did you get it working?

    • @pdgiddie
      @pdgiddie 7 лет назад

      If you haven't figured this out already, check out the other comments about baud rate.

  • @youeladamas7840
    @youeladamas7840 7 лет назад

    if you have a max noise of 106 do you even need the filters ? its a betaflight build though but should matter I don't think

  • @wickedneurons
    @wickedneurons 7 лет назад

    I feel kind of bad that one time I thought Kapper was the interrupter. Holy shit, Aussie Chad just never lets Tommy talk.

    • @pdgiddie
      @pdgiddie 7 лет назад

      In fairness, he's supposed to be the one who knows what he's doing in this tutorial.

  • @Nick-xe2hu
    @Nick-xe2hu 7 лет назад

    I screwed up the TX pad on one of my flight controller near the usb port. can TX2 or TX3 be used for this function?

  • @dominikkammer2478
    @dominikkammer2478 7 лет назад

    How much storage do you need for 1 flight (4min)

  • @VIVAFPV
    @VIVAFPV 7 лет назад +2

    for those who have junk data in the log file: Go to Sdcard -> open CONFIG.TXT -> set 256000 -> Save!

    • @donaldheon
      @donaldheon 7 лет назад +1

      no you must set the baud rate to 256000

    • @ShawnGuess
      @ShawnGuess 7 лет назад

      @donald heon you are the man -- i could not figure out the problem until i saw your post. thank you.

    • @donaldheon
      @donaldheon 7 лет назад

      me either until i looked at the firmware flasher tab in BF and saw the baud rate values

    • @ShawnGuess
      @ShawnGuess 7 лет назад

      donald heon ah, I'm on kiss so I didn't have that clue. thanks again.

    • @Nick-xe2hu
      @Nick-xe2hu 7 лет назад +1

      Ahh man you saved my ass. I've been racking my damn brain here. I figured it was a baud rate issue with the junk garbled data in my logs. Switched it to 256000 and boom, data streaming like its cool. Thanks for chiming in here.

  • @vissago
    @vissago 7 лет назад

    Is it possible to do this sort of thing without buying extra hardware? just with the kiss fc? or is the external hardware required?

  • @xxxplode5999
    @xxxplode5999 7 лет назад +1

    How's it going RotorRiot?

  • @2004wrxman
    @2004wrxman 7 лет назад

    looking to build a brushed micro quad. what board would you recommend to use?

  • @GenCodeFPV
    @GenCodeFPV 7 лет назад

    Zero bytes writing. I checked and the blue light mentioned is not blinking. Config is set to 256000 baud, Card is a class 10 16GB

  • @bennieleip579
    @bennieleip579 7 лет назад

    I have one question if you got de firmware do i have to power up the quad an reflash it? Because cleanfligt have been updatet and now i cant connect annymore

  • @PaulSokolov
    @PaulSokolov 2 года назад

    which format of SD card should be ? FAT32 or NTFC

  • @Rxpharmer2001
    @Rxpharmer2001 7 лет назад

    Is the FC connector a JST 1.25 or 2mm??

  • @foundcause898
    @foundcause898 7 лет назад

    yay for raceflight♪

  • @owenwilkins6563
    @owenwilkins6563 7 лет назад +1

    WHAT???!??!!!?? Where's the blooper at the end?

  • @jonathandahood
    @jonathandahood 7 лет назад

    You said TX pad; did you mean RX pad? Looking at the pads you soldered those are gnd, vcc, RX on the one i ordered from the link below. So i looked at kiss wiring diagram, and it show to RX pad. Also if rmrc is still out of cable, sparkfun has them. I have logged yet but it fits into Kiss FC.. www.sparkfun.com/products/574
    Nevermind RX on black box logger to Kiss FC TX.

  • @JustInvertedFpv
    @JustInvertedFpv 7 лет назад

    Nice that you don't have to drm activate betaflight black box logger and anyone can use it!

  • @DrFrantic77
    @DrFrantic77 7 лет назад

    Hi, if i use an OSD on RX1 TX1 pad... must i desoldert it ? Or work loggin it, if i change in the GUI from OSD to Logger ?

    • @DrFrantic77
      @DrFrantic77 7 лет назад

      Dr.001 it worked with solderdert osd kabels... dont habe to desolder

    • @DrFrantic77
      @DrFrantic77 7 лет назад

      yes, i changed it in the GUI to 100% logging. The OSD was soldert and logger was on port 2. OSD gives no output... but logger was working. After loggin i unplug it from port 2 and change back to OSD... works

    • @pdgiddie
      @pdgiddie 7 лет назад

      I suspect this will depend on the OSD, but I guess it's just ignoring what it considers to be "garbage data" coming in. Worth trying :)

  • @unknown121290
    @unknown121290 7 лет назад

    why do you guys have an oscilloscope in the background?

  • @duanesantos8916
    @duanesantos8916 7 лет назад +1

    no links

  • @FPV-wi8fw
    @FPV-wi8fw 7 лет назад

    I'm just trying to understand the calculations on the whiteboard in the background lol

  • @Greyspacealien
    @Greyspacealien 7 лет назад

    Links Please!

  • @PinchTune
    @PinchTune 7 лет назад

    Now, what about all the hype on Betaflight on turning OFF the notch filters? How does this apply to KISS. You guys made this video right at the time where this hype is going on.

    • @ofiasdfnosdf
      @ofiasdfnosdf 7 лет назад +1

      PinchTune - good point - I completely forgot about that video that Joshua put out about that. Come to think of it... how are there already notch filters on the board? Maybe it's something different?

  • @Z-Universe
    @Z-Universe 7 лет назад

    Great, there were already no KISS power distribution cables even before this video came out.

  • @HampusHellqvist
    @HampusHellqvist 7 лет назад +1

    yeye i just orderd my kiss fc!

  • @jamesbarrett1324
    @jamesbarrett1324 7 лет назад

    Ready

  • @NorgeSquad
    @NorgeSquad 7 лет назад +1

    What is happening whit CharPu? He haven't be on RUclips for 4 months

  • @Ryan.Lawrence
    @Ryan.Lawrence 7 лет назад

    awesome very well explained, now if you could do the same for us beta flight users that be great as i don't think my brain could handle josh's one just yet haha

  • @zzubbione
    @zzubbione 7 лет назад

    the answer is "butter"

  • @AndrewBahls
    @AndrewBahls 7 лет назад

    Came here for the Minecraft.
    Was not disappointed.

  • @Myselium
    @Myselium 7 лет назад

    i feel like you guys should play another game of kwad soon... ;)

  • @FPVish
    @FPVish 7 лет назад

    where in georgia off 95 is a good shop for fatshark goggles ? just left florida

  • @drewdanielvaldez5478
    @drewdanielvaldez5478 7 лет назад

    betaflight or cleanflight

  • @eyefpv1047
    @eyefpv1047 7 лет назад

    Hi Mom! I'm on RUclips

  • @xxxplode5999
    @xxxplode5999 7 лет назад +1

    You guys think I'll get arrested if I dive the space needle?

    • @pdgiddie
      @pdgiddie 7 лет назад

      Yes. I'm pretty sure you will make security flip out. It's a US landmark, and they'll be on the alert for possible terrorist attacks.

  • @NetherViking
    @NetherViking 7 лет назад

    I have tape. No need for notchfilters. Blablabla

  • @PrathameshPatyeker
    @PrathameshPatyeker 7 лет назад

    guyz make rotor riot fidget spinner :-P

  • @BikeGuyFPV
    @BikeGuyFPV 5 лет назад

    Chad seems very annoyed everytime Tommy interrupts. Let Chad talk since he's the expert.

  • @bmheight
    @bmheight 7 лет назад

    Yayyy

  • @oggymorowse4984
    @oggymorowse4984 7 лет назад

    yeie

  • @lukasmakessomething7322
    @lukasmakessomething7322 7 лет назад

    Play some more kwad

  • @joef595
    @joef595 7 лет назад

    Before doing any of this you should mention balancing your props. Without doing this first everything else is pointless especially with modern sensitive gyros. Every prop is different .Especially at high revs that modern setups can deliver. These days props are cheap, mass produced and out of balance.

    • @kentboehm1981
      @kentboehm1981 7 лет назад

      Valkman RC Bah, who has time to do that! In the good old days of gemfan 5030s balancing props might have been worth it but these days most props are well balanced enough from the factory and people ding their props in the first flight or two anyway, undoing all that painstaking work.

    • @joef595
      @joef595 7 лет назад

      In my experience from building over 500 quad racers and trying all the brands 1 in 2 need balancing and even more so with the latest flight controllers that are even more sensitive to vibs which is why the controller needs to be damper mounted these days. People are even putting tape under their motors lol! You hardly think that a 60c plastic prop is coming from a factory in China balanced?

    • @kentboehm1981
      @kentboehm1981 7 лет назад

      The main reason behind these tactics to reduce vibes is not because of unbalanced props (although it does help with that). It is because of the newer, more powerful motors we are using now. These motors with their very strong magnets produce more vibration which is reaching the gyros. Additionally, tools like notch filters and d-term filters now mean prop vibes are not hugely problematic. You are correct in saying that 60c props are not likely to be balanced, but I am putting it to you that they are balanced enough for our purposes, especially given the sophisticated filtering we are able make use of. The props on a miniquad are too light to really cause significant issues from balance. Sure if you put them on a balancer they will be a bit out of balance but PRACTICALLY, when you put them on a quad with 2306 motors the vibes from the prop are the last thing you need to worry about, especially when most people end up clipping branches, bending props etc and keep on flying. If you can be bothered hand balancing hundreds of props that might only last you a few flights before they are chipped and bent, be my guest. I don't have time for that and I don't think most people can be bothered when they can use filtering and appropriate soft-mounting to manage most vibes anyway.

    • @joef595
      @joef595 7 лет назад

      Well I only use Emax motors and they are very well balanced and have been for years. Nearly all motors are very well balanced these days. Props are not. Better to get rid of the vibs first....add filters later. It only takes 10 mins to balance 4 props. Surely you have the time for that! No point using a prop balancer with small props. Spin them up on the motor. As I said , I have built over 500 quads racers so I think I learned a thing or two on the way.

    • @kentboehm1981
      @kentboehm1981 7 лет назад

      I never said the motors are not balanced, I said they produce vibration. It's because of the new more powerful magnets and smaller airgaps. Mate, I've got a full time job, a one year old son, I'm doing an MBA and wife is studying medicine. I definitely don't have time to waste 10 mins balancing every set of props, when I could spend that time flying. Each to their own though. If you've got time, go for it!

  • @XaserII
    @XaserII 7 лет назад +1

    Good video, but I'd rather that either Tommy shuts up entirely or Chad lets him actually say something. This 2-3 secs of talking over each other every 15 seconds is really irritating.

  • @tygasdeath6914
    @tygasdeath6914 7 лет назад

    Seems like last months hype train with the whole betaflight 'disabling filters blah blah " but hey I guess the kiss fanboys felt left out haha