What exactly is a Dutchman? I haven’t a clue and have been researching trying to educate myself and I still can’t figure it out. Can someone enlighten me please?
A Dutchman is the extended kerf I cut into the tree after I made the face cut. What that does is, it undermines the weight of the tree. So when the back cut is made the tree will close up on the Dutchman and swing the tree into the face cut.
@@jakemesa3211 Thanks for the reply. I've been binge watching your content and enjoying the scenery and watching the big boys fall. I'm a red blooded redneck in a suit and tie and can only dream about what you do but I do enjoy my saws when I can for firewood. Stay safe, all my best to ya.
I really like the point of view for this video, something I've never seen before in other RUclips videos about Dutchman falling. I presume there was enough hinge to get the tree started tipping over for the first couple degrees of the fall, and then you stayed with it during the fall to cut more and more of the hinge on the Dutchman side and let the "post" swing the tree?
Yes and no, the Dutchman should be cut to where the tree leans, then when you cut the back, you do remove the wood from that side, which allows the tree to set "sideways" into that kerf, then because it still has wood on the other side, rather than actually going sideways, the path of least resistance is to swing into the undercut
Yes you have to cut the far side hinge totally off. But it has to close up on the kerf and commit to the swing first. Cut it off to early and you risk the tree setting down on the bar, setting back, going over backwards or worst case setting back and swing around the back side and falling on the side your saw is on. If you watch I cut right up to the Dutchman wait just a second for it to commit to the swing then cut the far side hinge off. Leaving the post to guide the tree into the undercut. It’s a game of timing. Cut it off to soon chances are it won’t swing. Cut it off to late. Chances are it will stall on the kerf and swing back.
Dude! What happened to all your other content? Some of your bench top stuff? Loved it and wanted to share some stuff with a buddy. Anyway, stay safe man!!
Our poplar and pine out here behaves similarly. Lots of times I can play on that so much I don't even carry my wedge outfit. But boy our worker's comp company doesn't like it! They want every tree hinged which is ridiculous. I could see it maybe for the rookies 🤷
This was a Douglas fir tree. They are awesome for swinging. Our pine can be a bit more tricky sometimes depending on there location. I’ve got a few other tricks on here that show how I deal with them. Still always carry wedges when I’m falling. Most everything I cut for is for grapple skidder, so it needs to be laid out pretty nicely all in one direction. I contract cut and only carry comp on myself. Never get inspected by my carrier. I’m working on getting fully insured so I can work more places. But man the want your first born child and the deed to your house to cover a faller out here! I primarily cut for small outfits so I have free rein to cut it how I feel. But some of the big outfits will fire their employee fallers if they catch them doing this kinda stuff.
I use several kinds of Dutchmens. The standard Dutch like you just showed. What I call a Diamond Dutch, for bigger swings. And a combo modified Swizzler Dutch for really big swings. On average I can turn a tree 180 degrees of it's natural lean. Sometimes, if conditions are right. I can swing that closer to 200 degrees. I've even been known to turn Sugar Pine on occasion. I just call it all " Tree Magic".
@@LightLord1870 Hmmm, that a tough one to explain. That's something better shown. Works great on smaller diameter trees. Under 30 inches. But can be used on bigger trees. Basically, it's a dance on your back cut. A little on the dutch, a little on the hold. And back and forth. You have to work the stump. When done right, you can turn a tree 180 degrees off it lean.
@@georgewilliamssr5230 I get what you're saying I think. Instead of having the triangle pattern of a swinging dutch it comes out to be a bit more like a diamond pattern from dancing both of the angles in the back?
You can also make your first cut until the tree moves, then put you face in, then back cut it. Or, if the tree won’t move and you’ve got wedges in, cut into your face on the side you want to swing half way down to get the tree moving. The fir tree hinge is strong if you have experience.
Agreed, I’ve done it all three ways. I prefer this method if I’m trying to hit a tighter shot. And if it’s a tree that will guaranteed need to be wedged otherwise. I try not to pull wedges from the pouch unless I absolutely have to. I generally don’t advise guys to cut in from the face after putting the back cut and wedges in. Unless it’s absolutely necessary. It’s a good way to fuck up a saw if a guy doesn’t know what he is doing..
Swinging a tree is one of the funniest things to do. Except when it don't hold lol
Legit timber cutter. Take notes everybody. Hard to find the real deal on RUclips. Real loggers are too busy working to make videos usually.
Yep all the really good cutters are to busy to share their skills. I’ve got a few tricks but there are guys out there much better than I am.
Ain't it the truth!!!
What exactly is a Dutchman? I haven’t a clue and have been researching trying to educate myself and I still can’t figure it out. Can someone enlighten me please?
A Dutchman is the extended kerf I cut into the tree after I made the face cut. What that does is, it undermines the weight of the tree. So when the back cut is made the tree will close up on the Dutchman and swing the tree into the face cut.
@@jakemesa3211 Thanks for the reply. I've been binge watching your content and enjoying the scenery and watching the big boys fall. I'm a red blooded redneck in a suit and tie and can only dream about what you do but I do enjoy my saws when I can for firewood. Stay safe, all my best to ya.
Are there any tips you have for not getting the var pinched on the side the tree is leaning? Im afraid of doing this technique and getting it stuck
Great example of a swing Dutchman!! Great Video
I really like the point of view for this video, something I've never seen before in other RUclips videos about Dutchman falling. I presume there was enough hinge to get the tree started tipping over for the first couple degrees of the fall, and then you stayed with it during the fall to cut more and more of the hinge on the Dutchman side and let the "post" swing the tree?
Yes and no, the Dutchman should be cut to where the tree leans, then when you cut the back, you do remove the wood from that side, which allows the tree to set "sideways" into that kerf, then because it still has wood on the other side, rather than actually going sideways, the path of least resistance is to swing into the undercut
Yes you have to cut the far side hinge totally off. But it has to close up on the kerf and commit to the swing first. Cut it off to early and you risk the tree setting down on the bar, setting back, going over backwards or worst case setting back and swing around the back side and falling on the side your saw is on. If you watch I cut right up to the Dutchman wait just a second for it to commit to the swing then cut the far side hinge off. Leaving the post to guide the tree into the undercut. It’s a game of timing. Cut it off to soon chances are it won’t swing. Cut it off to late. Chances are it will stall on the kerf and swing back.
Thank you Jake. That's the best description I've ever seen for what goes into the back-cut when using a Dutchman in the face cut.
nice one Jake! cheers from canada!
Very very nice work!
Impressive stuff...very good demo :) Will have to give it a go next time i'm in the woods.
What a slow mo. Awesome fell.
Thank you!
Watching the kerf opening. I got nervous.😂
Very nice job sir!!!!!! Have a good week.
Awesome angle! Now show how a Sizwheel works
Awesome.
Thanks Jake! Nicely done!
Good video, appreciate it.
Great shot!
Nice 👍
Excellent!
Dude! What happened to all your other content? Some of your bench top stuff? Loved it and wanted to share some stuff with a buddy. Anyway, stay safe man!!
Man, I don’t know what happened. Some how all my videos got deleted.
@@jakemesa3211 damn, thanks for the reply!
Those 3-4 minute videos of tips were great - like getting your chain back on without taking off the bar.
Our poplar and pine out here behaves similarly. Lots of times I can play on that so much I don't even carry my wedge outfit. But boy our worker's comp company doesn't like it! They want every tree hinged which is ridiculous. I could see it maybe for the rookies 🤷
This was a Douglas fir tree. They are awesome for swinging. Our pine can be a bit more tricky sometimes depending on there location. I’ve got a few other tricks on here that show how I deal with them. Still always carry wedges when I’m falling. Most everything I cut for is for grapple skidder, so it needs to be laid out pretty nicely all in one direction. I contract cut and only carry comp on myself. Never get inspected by my carrier. I’m working on getting fully insured so I can work more places. But man the want your first born child and the deed to your house to cover a faller out here! I primarily cut for small outfits so I have free rein to cut it how I feel. But some of the big outfits will fire their employee fallers if they catch them doing this kinda stuff.
@@jakemesa3211 yessir our comp on 4 guys runs us about a brand new King Ranch crew cab power stroke pickup truck every year, or a small house...lol
I use several kinds of Dutchmens.
The standard Dutch like you just showed.
What I call a Diamond Dutch, for bigger swings. And a combo modified Swizzler Dutch for really big swings. On average I can turn a tree 180 degrees of it's natural lean. Sometimes, if conditions are right. I can swing that closer to 200 degrees. I've even been known to turn Sugar Pine on occasion. I just call it all " Tree Magic".
Yea sir! Definitely a few different options to this. Check out my video titled “ a little trick” like you said it’s all tree magic!👍👍🍻
How is a diamond dutch done?
@@LightLord1870
Hmmm, that a tough one to explain. That's something better shown. Works great on smaller diameter trees. Under 30 inches. But can be used on bigger trees.
Basically, it's a dance on your back cut. A little on the dutch, a little on the hold. And back and forth. You have to work the stump. When done right, you can turn a tree 180 degrees off it lean.
@@georgewilliamssr5230 I get what you're saying I think. Instead of having the triangle pattern of a swinging dutch it comes out to be a bit more like a diamond pattern from dancing both of the angles in the back?
@@LightLord1870
Correct.
You can also make your first cut until the tree moves, then put you face in, then back cut it. Or, if the tree won’t move and you’ve got wedges in, cut into your face on the side you want to swing half way down to get the tree moving. The fir tree hinge is strong if you have experience.
Agreed, I’ve done it all three ways. I prefer this method if I’m trying to hit a tighter shot. And if it’s a tree that will guaranteed need to be wedged otherwise. I try not to pull wedges from the pouch unless I absolutely have to. I generally don’t advise guys to cut in from the face after putting the back cut and wedges in. Unless it’s absolutely necessary. It’s a good way to fuck up a saw if a guy doesn’t know what he is doing..
@@jakemesa3211 it does make you feel good when you move a tree that far and save yourself from beating your guts out.