I agree. They did a great job with defining Whis power without ever letting him fight. The biggest mistake the creators did is make Goku fight Beerus a second time because it allows viewers to come up with theories based off that fight with Beerus.
hes not moving he is just that strong already. the creator himself said that frieza will never be more powerful than beerus and friexa is currently stronger than goku and vegeta.
@lm1400 the one thing about what I've realized about the creator and writers of this show is they may say something but back themselves into a corner alot when it comes to keeping the plot making sense. Now he may have said Freiza will never be more powerful than Beerus but Jiren was more powerful than his universe destroyer. So as you see they entertained the idea of it being possible for a mortal to more powerful than a destroyer god. If you noticed when Goku did Kao Ken times 10 in the tournament before the tournament of power against Hit Beerus had a very worried look on his face and response to it and that is because Goku wasn't using Kao Ken times 10 or 20 against Beerus and Goku said his first time trying it the God blue form wit Kao Ken times 10 was against Hit in their match. Fast forward for a second with Kao Ken times 20 in God blue form against Jiren. Would that have over powered Beerus? What if Beerus came to Earth and go did autonomous ultra instinct on him then. Would that have stopped Beerus? The Kai's and supreme Angel and destroyers knew instantly when Goku was in ultra instinct and was shocked even before Goku even knew what ultra instinct actually was. Now fast forward to Goku and Vegeta at autonomous ultra instinct and ultra ego and Freiza knocking them out with one punch in his black form. So lets put the evidence together. 1. It's possible for a mortal in a universe to be more powerful than the destroyer because Jiren proved this 2. Jiren is not stronger than Ultra instinct 3. Black Frieza destroyed autonomous ultra instinct with another fighter in ultra ego with one punch. You see now why it makes no sense for the creator to back himself into a corner? If the creator wanted to stick to what he was saying he one shouldn't have Beerus react in such away to autonomous ultra instinct and should have never allowed Goku to fight Beerus at regular God form and say he was at 80% of his power because now fans can just say it for the creator that Black Freiza is more powerful than Beerus. He will now have to avoid conflicts with Freiza and Beerus fighting because just say if he does destroy Black Freiza. They now have to show how that is possible with itmaking sense to the viewers. That is alot of work to do when you've backed yourself into a corner like that.
I know you brought up beerus destroying planets like their nothing, keep in mind that king vegeta (notably one of weaker saiyans currently) was able to destroy planets effortlessly after conquering them. So it’s safe to say destroying planets in DB isn’t really a big feat anymore
To be fair, Buuhan was confirmed to have the power to collapse space and time itself, including heaven and hell in the DBZ cosmology. Buuhan, by comparison to Beerus, is an atomic microbe so insignificant that Beerus could probably blink and Buuhan would be gone. If early DBZ characters could blow up planets without much effort, it isn't really that surprising that current DBS characters could obliterate an entire universe. Goku has gotten exponentially stronger compared to the start of Z. Billions of times stronger is probably a low-ball for his growth.
@@harryschwartz5957na hes right, pre perfected blue vegito was on the level beerus’s and briefly surpassed his power with the final kamehameha. Even if you don’t think think supreme Kai can read the level of beerus’s full power, he used his full power against the gods of destruction (grand priest says that the gods will be killed of they don’t go all out), so therefore, we’ve seen beerus’s full power. There was even a confirmation from toyotaru that Black frieza is close to being on the level of god of destruction beerus.
@@cakemix5877it really is some of the most basic ass stuff ever theirs nothing about him that I think is cool just a random over powered bald man who has the same back story as 1000 other characters
@@bumblebower1529i mean the story isn't focused on him or even his universe and db explores the multiverse so it would make sense that some people have similar backgrounds
The problem is the anime and manga are extremely different. The anime seems to just hype up the current villian while the manga seems to just keep inflating beerus power.
Since Beerus power level is always above goku and vegeta. Goku and vegeta are WAY stronger now than Jiren currently.Beerus vs. Jiren isn't a fight, it's a massacre. The only one who has smacked Beerus around is Whis.
Everything u stated pertains to the Manga. Toyotaro created a power creep. Akira Toriyama did not. Mastered Ultra Instinct Goku is 14 bare minimum surpassed Lord Beerus 10. Whis 15. Akira Toriyama created a Power Scale in BOG Movie & Arx. Toyotaro has disregarded that power scale as well as Goku & Vegeta’s Elevation/ Growth.
@@jordanglasper1064 In the movie Beerus legit said he was lying about using 70% of his power lmao, also MUI Goku isn't close to Whis. Stop making shit up Akira Toriyama scale was for BOG and a lot has been retconned since then, if the scale was accurate SSBKK×20 Goku (vs Hit) would be 100s of times stronger than Beerus lmao, it's dbs shit gets retconned
When did it state that beerus is always above goku and vegeta? Is that how u want things cause im pretty sure that was never stated. In fact whis said jiren was stronger and beerus is also terrified of broly.
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Anime Jiren doesn't win either lmao Belmod isn't stronger than Beerus, Beerus literally disagreed with Belmod being stronger, Whis appeared to have been pulling Beerus' leg more than anything Anime will come out soon and adapt the manga as well, it's not like they'll change everything either💀
@herohunter5961 Anime jiren was stronger than beerus when the anime was still on. There is promo material from the anime writers that says that jiren casually flexes power beyond a God of destruction and ultra instinct omen is stronger then beerus. The manga retconed this. If you want proof go watch a video on geekdoms channel.
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The Gods of Destruction are all strong but vary significantly in power. Jiren is stronger than his universe’s God of Destruction, but Beerus is likely the strongest out of all the Destroyers. The manga since the tournament of power has heavily implied that even now Beerus is still well above Goku and Vegeta. It’s a good debate as to who would win between Beerus and Black Frieza! So clearly Beerus is way more powerful than Jiren was in the TOP; but we don’t know how much more powerful Jiren has become since then! He must be training his ass off to prepare for a rematch someday with Goku!
From what We've seen in the movies and without Miljnir Cap should win High diff. Green goblin seems like he's a little stronger than super soilders or just as strong. But not as fast. Other than that cap is more skilled, Has the shield so yeah. Goblin would be dumb to try and box him, and most of his weaponds wont do much since cap had the shield. But His bombs might be able to do something if he Uses them in a good way
I mean everyone knows Beerus would win. But it's unfair on jiren to compare him with beerus. Jiren is still an OP fighter and a powerhouse of strength in his own right
In battle of gods, Goku and beerus were shaking the universe just by clashing fists. They were destroying everything in the universe, And Goku became million's of times stronger throughout super, They can destroy a universe in a blink of an eye...
@@punani_slayer4209much much much weaker characters can destroy galaxies like kid buu and yes goku and beerus nearly destroyed multiple universe when they fought and that consisted of the living world the realm of the kais heaven and hell and all were infinite in size
@@cw9468 that was just beerus's destruction magic going berserk. Goku had absolutely no part in that. We still haven't seen him destroy a single planet....
@@willjohnboy You must me smoking something slow ball like thanos can win against MUI goku who is faster than speed of light and Multiversal Level .Thanos without infinity stone isnt even city level 😂😂😁😁
Do more of beerus vs other DC characters and Marvel also danco and this time evenly matched such opponents could be wonder woman, Zeus, Constantine, and in Marvel Thanos
TBH in anime we saw him going for just few punches against his brother and battle of gods where he was having fun still being much stronger than anybody. So we just never saw beerus going even close to full power in anime. And statements of likes of Goku or suprime kai arent important. Either Whis or Beerus himself has to say that they are weaker for it to being reverent
@@Just_a-guy before the tournament of power whis said that there is a mortal that is stronger than their god of destruction and that god of destruction is stronger than beerus
@@mr.mustachefreak9644 Right I just assumed when i watched it that it was more like with monaka to give goku motivation. But it could be what they meant (it is hard to judge because whole Jiren retocn in super heroes and the fact that he wasnt really much stronger than them)
No beerus doesn't win, Whis said Jiren is more powerful than his own God of Destruction (we didn't know whom Whis meant by this at the time), who in turn is more powerful THAN BEERUS, Whis stated this both in the comic and the manga. Beerus dodging the attacks of other Gods isn't proof of him being stronger, as we don't know how much intent was behind those attacks, they definitely didn't try to destroy beerus, therefore he might be stronger than some of them but not more powerful than every each and one of them. Whis also stated that if Goku and Vegeta teamed up against Beerus (when they had already reached SSB) they would propably be able to defeat him, whereas a teamed up SSB KaioKen x20 Goku and an ascended SSB Vegita couldn't even land a hit on Jiren.
You actually the missed the part that beerus said that he only loses a arm wrestling match but doesn't mean he loses when it comes to real fight( he lost arm wrestling in quitella one of god of destruction) and obviously in the manga Beerus slams all them alone and last standing is beerus and quitella when grand priest is stop him to fight
You read false info maybe, but whis didn't said that manga ssb in not enough to beat beerus even fusion, if you read manga when Vegeta train to beerus to teach him a technique of god of destruction, Vegeta fights them using ssj blue but beerus easily beat him so how do you think ssb beat him with combined and author has not plan surpass beerus in dbs so beerus still stronger
@@kaizen_099i didn't miss no excuses of Beerus, I simply ignored it and accepted Whis' statement when he described the unknown "more powerful than a God of Destruction" warrior from another universe, since I trust Whis' objectivity more than Beerus honesty
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I want to clarify something. When they told the story of jiren being stronger than their respective god of destruction they ment topo as topo was already choosed to become belmonds successor. They never were talking about Belmont.
No. They were talking about belmod. Toppo was still a god of destruction in training, so it doesn't make any sense to use him as a point of reference as he is not the god of destruction of his universe
No, I believe Belmod stated Jiren was stronger than him. But despite that yeah Beerus is leagues above Jiren regardless. If Beerus wanted to he could probably have one shot Belmod like Whis always does to Beerus. @fdddff47
"He can overpower and hold back Vegeta, beat Vegeta with just a flick of his wrist, while only using 1/10th of his power" Pretty much every major enemy in Dragonball universe: Frieza, Cell, Broly, Bojack, Buu, Android 18. Ever since the Namek saga, Vegeta's pretty much a meat shield for Goku
@@newhybrid101 if Beerus Hakai’s SBP then he’s done, Whis even said it doesn’t matter what someone or something is made out of. There is nothing Beerus can’t destroy, SBP might’ve gone against all the hero’s and villains of earth but even they pale to the might of Beerus. Gods of destruction are another level all together
With that logic can beerus just hakai Zeno then? The grand priest? Or even any of the angels? (the actually strong angels) well no he can't because when he sees Zeno he literally become a scaredyy cat and superboy prime is far stronger compare to the whole dragon ball verse superboy prime is literally immune to reality warping and matter warping since when he fought the batman who laughs(this batman is clearly more powerfull than 90%of anime or even fiction ) and the batman who laughs Tha has the powerfull of literally Dr Manhattan who can just erased anyything can't erase superboy prime and take note that this batman can control the reality and matter manipulation has power that can erase anything and he's erase thing is far better than zenos cannot erase superboy prime because he's immune to it, and superboy prime beats him but of course he had help but superboy prime is the strongest guy on the team that helped him, and superboy prime punches is so powerfull that he destroy reality and with he's fight with batman who laughs every punch they landed destroyed universe, he's punch was so powerfull that he punched someone and every version of him in other time lines felt that punch.. So what can beerus do? Bow to superboy prime beg for he's life and be a cat for him because the whole dragon ball verse is nothing@@official_honcho
Okay, so Black Frieza easily defeated both Goku and Vegeta in their Ultra-Ego and Ultra-Instinct forms, knocking them out and forcing them back to their base form. This was expected since they were already worn out and low on stamina, and Frieza was continuously evolving and growing stronger with each hit. Despite his aging, Frieza's stamina was still increasing, making it even harder for Goku and Vegeta to keep up. Keep in mind, Frieza trained for 10 years to achieve his Black transformation and still managed to one-tap them. This just goes to show that even Beerus, who could easily defeat Frieza, is on a whole other level. I am unsure about a potential Ultra Instinct or Ultra Ego fusion between Vegito or Gogeta, or if they were to use both transformations at the same time. However, I am certain that if they were to do so, Frieza would have a much tougher time and may not even stand a chance. And even then, Beerus would have no problem defeating such a fusion. Furthermore, the whole "Battle of the Gods" between Super Saiyan God Red Goku and Beerus, where Beerus supposedly used only one-tenth of his power, has been debunked. It is likely that he was using even less than that and was holding back significantly. This means that Beerus has yet to reveal his true power, as he is the god of destruction in the Dragon Ball universe. It would be shocking to see anyone make him use 100% of his power. In short, Jiren has no chance against the likes of Beerus.
Jiren’s full power is SLIGHTLY stronger than BASE Beerus. You know, the one who fought Ssj god Goku with so much ease he had to lie to him in order to make him feel good
You can't move faster than light - it would mean you're moving backwards in time. It's not how light speed works. The speed of light is the speed of causality. This stuff was settled over a half a century ago. Exceeding light speed is a strange way of saying you arrived before you left.
Jiren might have greater raw strength than most destroyer Gods, but destroyers have immortality and their ki can only be matched by other destroyers or outdone by angels. Frieza might’ve been able to handle a destroyer’s energy just like how Krillen handled the small spirit bomb, but when he faced Toppo’s hakai, he was absolutely overwhelmed. Maybe Jiren could handle a good deal of hakai from Belmond, but it’s not likely that his power can be matched with normal ki.
The thing is, God Ki is just straight up leagues stronger than Regular Ki. And being a GoD, means that Beerus is 100% God Ki. Fighters like Goku only have a small percentage of God Ki despite mastering God Forms and combining them with SS transformations and techniques like Kaioken. So until Goku converts all of his Mortal Ki into God Ki, he ain’t stronger than Beerus.
he wasn’t stated to be stronger than all of them, he was only stated stronger than belmod, and by extension above the destroyers that are weaker than belmod, also even if it did apply to beerus, that was during the t.o.p, in which mui goku also surpassed beerus (in the anime) later in the moro arc beerus states he can destroy moro, while a stronger mui goku couldn’t, so beerus’s power constantly increases from arc to arc
I used to believe that one and abuse all statement about it being above beerus, untill 1 next arc after broly or 2 say otherwise in manga version at least
@@muhanaveed1999 there's rumor saying mortal stronger than destroyer and that destroyer appear to be above beerus (there's also multiples statement magazine saying jiren likey excert his power and he's beyond gods and so on) then whis claim the rumor is true in ep109 and say jiren while supressed was on destroyer level if not above it meaning any version of jiren that stronger will be definitively above beerus like jiren in ep122,127,129,130
Before ant more beerus fights come out Akira toriyama said goku and vegeta will NEVER surpass whis and beerus because they're something for vegeta and goku to strive for they are the pinnacle of power in dB super
Manga and anime Beerus are way different Jiren from anime it’s clearly more powerful then any God of distrution.They make Goku and Vegeta and others look much weaker
0:45 He'll save a world if it' s got delicious treats but destroy it if he doesn't like it's food.. So basically Beerus is a Yelp reviewer on steroids...
So Goku super sayian god rose gold gave beerus a competitive fight. Beerus never trains and Goku and Vegeta have been getting stronger and stronger with newer levels. They keep moving the goal post on Beerus strength.
Jiren's far more powerful than Beerus. Jiren was MUI tier pre TOP. The gods of destruction are just Omen tier. Only through retconning Jiren has Beerus been able to surpass Jiren
Bro you haven't seen Beerus use his full power so don't jump into concluding that Jiren is stronger than Beerus plus once Beerus uses his destroyer form no blast attack can harm him cause of his destroyer aura just like toppo destroyer form
@@kosianams4098 He used his full power when he fought the other gods of destruction. He got pretty damaged. The only differentiatoe is fighting abilities.
@@RafaAldezhe was fight all 11 gods at once for a good chunk of that fight. And since we saw belmod playing dead for half the fight, we know that they weren't going all out. Also there is no mastered ui tier. UI, just like any other form is a multiplier of the base form of the fighter. Kid goku could've gotten ui and still get ragdolled by super saiyan goku from namek. Beerus is way stronger than goku in base so even his imperfect ui puts him above goku's mui. Beerus also taught vegeta how to grow stronger by focusing on destruction which he says he does constantly. So we know he can grow stronger while he fights. When he activates ui, he activates it on top of his destroyer powers, which again puts him well past goku. And we know that since blackfrieza oneshotted goku 2 arcs after the ToP and frieza is still not as steong as beerus
there is no such thing as Omen Tier or MUI tier. THis is like saying Freeza is "ssj1 tier" because he lost to ssj1 goku on namek. People have to really shake this notion that forms represent some static tier of power or some shit. Also there was no retconning, it was the anime team that decided they wanted to hype up Jiren into being beyond all Gods and shit. The manga is a lot more clear about Jiren only surpassing Belmod and it's ONLY through power level.
@@Shoddragon finally someone who understands. Forms are multipliers. There is a namek ssj goku tier but no ssj tier. Current manga goku would probably only need omen or ui infused ssj blue to beat jiren from the ToP
I’ll never forget when around battle of the gods and when DBS first started writers said if beerus is a 10 SSJ God Goku (Red form) is a 7 in terms of power 😂 they will never stop moving his goal post
How about beerus vs broly, he's the only person who get stronger has he fights, if broly should train in the hyperbolic time chamber for a full year then go back in , I believe he could take beerus..
Let’s just admit it Beerus is a moving goal post
I agree. They did a great job with defining Whis power without ever letting him fight. The biggest mistake the creators did is make Goku fight Beerus a second time because it allows viewers to come up with theories based off that fight with Beerus.
i love beerus but you right lol
Yep, the writers are very inconsistent.
hes not moving he is just that strong already. the creator himself said that frieza will never be more powerful than beerus and friexa is currently stronger than goku and vegeta.
@lm1400 the one thing about what I've realized about the creator and writers of this show is they may say something but back themselves into a corner alot when it comes to keeping the plot making sense. Now he may have said Freiza will never be more powerful than Beerus but Jiren was more powerful than his universe destroyer. So as you see they entertained the idea of it being possible for a mortal to more powerful than a destroyer god. If you noticed when Goku did Kao Ken times 10 in the tournament before the tournament of power against Hit Beerus had a very worried look on his face and response to it and that is because Goku wasn't using Kao Ken times 10 or 20 against Beerus and Goku said his first time trying it the God blue form wit Kao Ken times 10 was against Hit in their match. Fast forward for a second with Kao Ken times 20 in God blue form against Jiren. Would that have over powered Beerus? What if Beerus came to Earth and go did autonomous ultra instinct on him then. Would that have stopped Beerus? The Kai's and supreme Angel and destroyers knew instantly when Goku was in ultra instinct and was shocked even before Goku even knew what ultra instinct actually was. Now fast forward to Goku and Vegeta at autonomous ultra instinct and ultra ego and Freiza knocking them out with one punch in his black form. So lets put the evidence together.
1. It's possible for a mortal in a universe to be more powerful than the destroyer because Jiren proved this
2. Jiren is not stronger than Ultra instinct
3. Black Frieza destroyed autonomous ultra instinct with another fighter in ultra ego with one punch.
You see now why it makes no sense for the creator to back himself into a corner? If the creator wanted to stick to what he was saying he one shouldn't have Beerus react in such away to autonomous ultra instinct and should have never allowed Goku to fight Beerus at regular God form and say he was at 80% of his power because now fans can just say it for the creator that Black Freiza is more powerful than Beerus. He will now have to avoid conflicts with Freiza and Beerus fighting because just say if he does destroy Black Freiza. They now have to show how that is possible with itmaking sense to the viewers. That is alot of work to do when you've backed yourself into a corner like that.
Jiren vs broly. Far more interesting.
Jiren wins
No broly wins @@Diego-zy5dc
@@suchhun broly can't keep up with ui goku wich jiren did
@@Diego-zy5dc LMAO CHECK YOUR EYES WHILE READING
@@Diego-zy5dc yeah, Jiren does win haha
Now imagine if beerus trained as much as he ate
Goku objectively would never catch up
He stays fit though. So it’s possible Beerus trains BTS.
The only reason why jiren could win is due to Beerus becoming overweight
The only reason Beerus would win is because he was immortal remember killing the shinn also kills Beerus.
Goku would still catch up.
My biggest problem with dragon ball is the power scaling. It never makes sense.
It's the whole point though 😂
(I kinda agree)
I know you brought up beerus destroying planets like their nothing, keep in mind that king vegeta (notably one of weaker saiyans currently) was able to destroy planets effortlessly after conquering them. So it’s safe to say destroying planets in DB isn’t really a big feat anymore
Beerus did it better though took half a planet with a tap
I mean yeah but destroying it with a sneeze that's another level
Exactly @@yesumbereyabyose1987
Agree because king vegeta destroyed planets with the wave of his hand
That destroy universe thing is thrown around so casually. Do they even understand how enormous the universe is....
Exactly man, i don't like this either
I don't believe beerus has the power to destroy a universe. Only Zeno
Well, if you start allowing to move orders of magnitude faster than light...
To be fair, Buuhan was confirmed to have the power to collapse space and time itself, including heaven and hell in the DBZ cosmology. Buuhan, by comparison to Beerus, is an atomic microbe so insignificant that Beerus could probably blink and Buuhan would be gone.
If early DBZ characters could blow up planets without much effort, it isn't really that surprising that current DBS characters could obliterate an entire universe. Goku has gotten exponentially stronger compared to the start of Z. Billions of times stronger is probably a low-ball for his growth.
Beerus would stomp Jiren worse than Black Frieza stomped the saiyans
Vegito stomps Beerus Extreme diff and black frieza high diff
@@donaldducksaverussia8923 youre smoking something lmfao
@@harryschwartz5957 Nah, I did my research so you should as well
@@donaldducksaverussia8923Nah they gonna need something stronger
@@harryschwartz5957na hes right, pre perfected blue vegito was on the level beerus’s and briefly surpassed his power with the final kamehameha. Even if you don’t think think supreme Kai can read the level of beerus’s full power, he used his full power against the gods of destruction (grand priest says that the gods will be killed of they don’t go all out), so therefore, we’ve seen beerus’s full power. There was even a confirmation from toyotaru that Black frieza is close to being on the level of god of destruction beerus.
Beerus for the win easily.
easy win
Jiren would stomp Beerus like Jiren uses 1 finger to beat super saiyan god Goku
@@ryukosukuno4473 in manga says "Jiren is stronger than own destroyer which is belmond of universe 11" not all gods
Beerus has been surpassed whis said it and beerus was shook by both jiren and broly jiren had him shook just by releasing some of his energy
@@cw9468 where is the passage in the manga?, it's stated that Jiren stronger the own destroyer which is belmond in universe 11, not all gods
Beerus wins obviously, but Jiren is a badass in his own right
Everything about his design is lazy
@@cakemix5877it really is some of the most basic ass stuff ever theirs nothing about him that I think is cool just a random over powered bald man who has the same back story as 1000 other characters
@@bumblebower1529 Probably the easiest character to draw in anime history
@cakemix5877 You're not wrong, but I personally like his design.
@@bumblebower1529i mean the story isn't focused on him or even his universe and db explores the multiverse so it would make sense that some people have similar backgrounds
Jiren has potential but going up against beerus is a hakai sentence
The problem is the anime and manga are extremely different. The anime seems to just hype up the current villian while the manga seems to just keep inflating beerus power.
Since Beerus power level is always above goku and vegeta. Goku and vegeta are WAY stronger now than Jiren currently.Beerus vs. Jiren isn't a fight, it's a massacre. The only one who has smacked Beerus around is Whis.
Everything u stated pertains to the Manga. Toyotaro created a power creep. Akira Toriyama did not. Mastered Ultra Instinct Goku is 14 bare minimum surpassed Lord Beerus 10. Whis 15. Akira Toriyama created a Power Scale in BOG Movie & Arx. Toyotaro has disregarded that power scale as well as Goku & Vegeta’s Elevation/ Growth.
Um what@@jordanglasper1064
@@jordanglasper1064 In the movie Beerus legit said he was lying about using 70% of his power lmao, also MUI Goku isn't close to Whis. Stop making shit up
Akira Toriyama scale was for BOG and a lot has been retconned since then, if the scale was accurate SSBKK×20 Goku (vs Hit) would be 100s of times stronger than Beerus lmao, it's dbs shit gets retconned
@@herohunter5961yes he was lying. He wasn't using 70% of his power he was using 99% minimum.
When did it state that beerus is always above goku and vegeta? Is that how u want things cause im pretty sure that was never stated. In fact whis said jiren was stronger and beerus is also terrified of broly.
Crazy thing, we’re actually going to be able to do this fight in Sparking Zero.
It would be very nice to see this fight!!!!
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Anime jiren negs.
Manga Beerus because he's a moving goal post
Anime Jiren doesn't win either lmao
Belmod isn't stronger than Beerus, Beerus literally disagreed with Belmod being stronger, Whis appeared to have been pulling Beerus' leg more than anything
Anime will come out soon and adapt the manga as well, it's not like they'll change everything either💀
@herohunter5961 Anime jiren was stronger than beerus when the anime was still on. There is promo material from the anime writers that says that jiren casually flexes power beyond a God of destruction and ultra instinct omen is stronger then beerus. The manga retconed this. If you want proof go watch a video on geekdoms channel.
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Beerus wins ez I saved myself almost 12 minutes.
wow I thought Jiren was capable
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I would love to see the GoD Tournament!!!!
The Gods of Destruction are all strong but vary significantly in power. Jiren is stronger than his universe’s God of Destruction, but Beerus is likely the strongest out of all the Destroyers. The manga since the tournament of power has heavily implied that even now Beerus is still well above Goku and Vegeta. It’s a good debate as to who would win between Beerus and Black Frieza!
So clearly Beerus is way more powerful than Jiren was in the TOP; but we don’t know how much more powerful Jiren has become since then! He must be training his ass off to prepare for a rematch someday with Goku!
Beerus isn’t the strongest God they aren’t ranked properly
Both of them are absolute badass monsters
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Please do I wanna see more of beerus against other evenly matched comic book characters
Captain America vs green goblin not even close
I'm pretty sure if cap can fight and nearly beat iron man he can beat green goblin
We talking comics or mcu
With or without Thor’s hammer
But that's actually not even close
From what We've seen in the movies and without Miljnir Cap should win High diff. Green goblin seems like he's a little stronger than super soilders or just as strong. But not as fast. Other than that cap is more skilled, Has the shield so yeah. Goblin would be dumb to try and box him, and most of his weaponds wont do much since cap had the shield. But His bombs might be able to do something if he Uses them in a good way
I mean everyone knows Beerus would win. But it's unfair on jiren to compare him with beerus. Jiren is still an OP fighter and a powerhouse of strength in his own right
Human Torch (Rise of the Silver Surfer) vs Iceman (X-Men: Days of Future Past)
In battle of gods, Goku and beerus were shaking the universe just by clashing fists. They were destroying everything in the universe, And Goku became million's of times stronger throughout super, They can destroy a universe in a blink of an eye...
No they can't. Stop making up crap. We haven't even seen goku destroy a single planet. He can't even survive in space like frieza😂. He's weak
@@punani_slayer4209 This is obviously rage bait, You know Goku is very powerful.
@@punani_slayer4209much much much weaker characters can destroy galaxies like kid buu and yes goku and beerus nearly destroyed multiple universe when they fought and that consisted of the living world the realm of the kais heaven and hell and all were infinite in size
@@cw9468 that was just beerus's destruction magic going berserk. Goku had absolutely no part in that. We still haven't seen him destroy a single planet....
Necromorph vs Xenomorph
Batman (DCEU) vs Black Panther (MCU)
I would like to see a Ghost Rider VS Spawn matchup.
I hope they put a show of berus power in the new super show. Just to show off how much of a bad ass he is.
"freeza could train for the rest of his life and still wouldnt surpass beerus" ..............................
"black freeza enters the chat"
She-Hulk (MCU) vs Mighty Thor (MCU)
Batman vs Ghostface
Thanos vs Goku
Deadshot (Dc comics) vs Boba Fett
Steppenwolf (DCEU) vs Avengers
Godzilla vs Kaido (One Piece)
Kaido for the win! 😂
ghostface??????😂
@@randomPATTA-ICICLE same reaction, bro has no chance
Batman also seriously 😂
Thanos
Deadshot with prep boba random face to face
Avengers barley
Godzilla
@@willjohnboy You must me smoking something slow ball like thanos can win against MUI goku who is faster than speed of light and Multiversal Level .Thanos without infinity stone isnt even city level 😂😂😁😁
Umbrella Corp Without Undead & Mutants vs The High Table Of John Wick.
10:37 Beerus wins
Can you do Whis vs Thor, whis vs hulk, or Whis vs Superman
Do more of beerus vs other DC characters and Marvel also danco and this time evenly matched such opponents could be wonder woman, Zeus, Constantine, and in Marvel Thanos
Suggestion: Dizzy Flores (Starship Troopers) vs Grace (Terminator: Dark Fate)
In manga beerus so much stronger then in anime. And thats the point
TBH in anime we saw him going for just few punches against his brother and battle of gods where he was having fun still being much stronger than anybody. So we just never saw beerus going even close to full power in anime. And statements of likes of Goku or suprime kai arent important. Either Whis or Beerus himself has to say that they are weaker for it to being reverent
@@Just_a-guyin the anime whis did say beerus is weaker its not goku or supreme kai
@@mr.mustachefreak9644 When?
@@Just_a-guy before the tournament of power whis said that there is a mortal that is stronger than their god of destruction and that god of destruction is stronger than beerus
@@mr.mustachefreak9644 Right I just assumed when i watched it that it was more like with monaka to give goku motivation. But it could be what they meant (it is hard to judge because whole Jiren retocn in super heroes and the fact that he wasnt really much stronger than them)
No beerus doesn't win, Whis said Jiren is more powerful than his own God of Destruction (we didn't know whom Whis meant by this at the time), who in turn is more powerful THAN BEERUS, Whis stated this both in the comic and the manga. Beerus dodging the attacks of other Gods isn't proof of him being stronger, as we don't know how much intent was behind those attacks, they definitely didn't try to destroy beerus, therefore he might be stronger than some of them but not more powerful than every each and one of them. Whis also stated that if Goku and Vegeta teamed up against Beerus (when they had already reached SSB) they would propably be able to defeat him, whereas a teamed up SSB KaioKen x20 Goku and an ascended SSB Vegita couldn't even land a hit on Jiren.
You actually the missed the part that beerus said that he only loses a arm wrestling match but doesn't mean he loses when it comes to real fight( he lost arm wrestling in quitella one of god of destruction) and obviously in the manga Beerus slams all them alone and last standing is beerus and quitella when grand priest is stop him to fight
You read false info maybe, but whis didn't said that manga ssb in not enough to beat beerus even fusion, if you read manga when Vegeta train to beerus to teach him a technique of god of destruction, Vegeta fights them using ssj blue but beerus easily beat him so how do you think ssb beat him with combined and author has not plan surpass beerus in dbs so beerus still stronger
@@justafloridamanfromthe75thRR you’re gonna be upset when you read the manga and see base Goku and base vegeta fucking up jiren.
@@kaizen_099i didn't miss no excuses of Beerus, I simply ignored it and accepted Whis' statement when he described the unknown "more powerful than a God of Destruction" warrior from another universe, since I trust Whis' objectivity more than Beerus honesty
@@kaizen_099he said it clearly 💯% you can check it yourself too so good bye
Doom slayer vs a quiet place monster invasion
Few random video requests
Cell vs Cosmic Garou
Hit vs Goku Black
Mastered UI Goku (Top) vs Gogeta blue (super broly)
Gojo vs luffy
Doomslayer vs Dante or Kratos
What if Goku and Kratos swapped fights ?
Darth Vader vs each mcu villan in a 1v1
Vader loses to Thanos, Surtr, Ego, Dormummu, Infinity Ultron, Strange Supreme, Scarlet Witch, and Arishem (If you count him as a villain)
Anime: jiren
Manga: beerus
You understand.. most others do not.
@@jordanglasper1064 Ikr
They just underrate beerus in the anime.
@@jordanglasper1064Fr thanks you!😭🙏
Beerus never used his full power in anime so you can’t say that jiren would win
Red Hood vs Winter Solider
Can you do a Yamcha vs Wiss? 😅
rip whis
I LOVED IT❤
Wolverine vs Jason Voorhees
Mr. Incredible vs Homelander
Loki (comics) vs Vegeta
Movie Batman family (Batman, Batgirl, Robin etc) vs Fast and furious family (Dominic, Luke Hobbs, Letty etc) no prep
Who would win and why?
I want to clarify something. When they told the story of jiren being stronger than their respective god of destruction they ment topo as topo was already choosed to become belmonds successor. They never were talking about Belmont.
No. They were talking about belmod. Toppo was still a god of destruction in training, so it doesn't make any sense to use him as a point of reference as he is not the god of destruction of his universe
@@docomega7862 I disagree but I might be wrong.
No, I believe Belmod stated Jiren was stronger than him. But despite that yeah Beerus is leagues above Jiren regardless. If Beerus wanted to he could probably have one shot Belmod like Whis always does to Beerus. @fdddff47
@fdddff47 You are. It's what happens when you overthink too much. But it's ok.
Please do these two matchups. Beerus vs Odin and Lara Croft vs John wick
I love beerus but Odin is a different beast.
Not even in the same realm it’s kinda scary
Alioth (MCU) VS Galactus (Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer)
Two giant cloud-like monsters. Who wins?
Yo danCo plsssss do goku vs darth vader
I think Broly now mastered controlling his power is it dangerous as fucker. so instead of beerus i would rather see Broly.
Taskmaster (MCU) vs Elektra (Netflix)
We need a Beetlejuice vs The Mask vid
Take Jiren with you in Xenoverse 2 on a mission involving fighting Beerus, Beerus has a little startled voice line that ONLY triggers for Jiren.
"He can overpower and hold back Vegeta, beat Vegeta with just a flick of his wrist, while only using 1/10th of his power"
Pretty much every major enemy in Dragonball universe: Frieza, Cell, Broly, Bojack, Buu, Android 18. Ever since the Namek saga, Vegeta's pretty much a meat shield for Goku
Beerus vs Superboy Prime
Superboy fluctuates to insane amounts like most kryptonians
At his peak he wins easily.
At his weaker showings he loses
@@newhybrid101 if Beerus Hakai’s SBP then he’s done, Whis even said it doesn’t matter what someone or something is made out of. There is nothing Beerus can’t destroy, SBP might’ve gone against all the hero’s and villains of earth but even they pale to the might of Beerus. Gods of destruction are another level all together
With that logic can beerus just hakai Zeno then? The grand priest? Or even any of the angels? (the actually strong angels) well no he can't because when he sees Zeno he literally become a scaredyy cat and superboy prime is far stronger compare to the whole dragon ball verse superboy prime is literally immune to reality warping and matter warping since when he fought the batman who laughs(this batman is clearly more powerfull than 90%of anime or even fiction ) and the batman who laughs Tha has the powerfull of literally Dr Manhattan who can just erased anyything can't erase superboy prime and take note that this batman can control the reality and matter manipulation has power that can erase anything and he's erase thing is far better than zenos cannot erase superboy prime because he's immune to it, and superboy prime beats him but of course he had help but superboy prime is the strongest guy on the team that helped him, and superboy prime punches is so powerfull that he destroy reality and with he's fight with batman who laughs every punch they landed destroyed universe, he's punch was so powerfull that he punched someone and every version of him in other time lines felt that punch.. So what can beerus do? Bow to superboy prime beg for he's life and be a cat for him because the whole dragon ball verse is nothing@@official_honcho
@@newhybrid101Which Superboy Prime? He’s literally the 2nd strongest version of Superman behind a prime 1 million who is CRACKED
Prime wins
come on lets see it, Why Beerus vs Thanos (with the infinity gauntlet) is closer than you think
it depends if we're talking about anime or manga, If we're talking about the anime jiren wins. If we're talking about manga beerus wins...
Dr fate and doctor strange vs scarlet with and zatanna.
If that sentence about Frieza training his whole life is true, then there's nothing that could remotely threaten Beerus.
Beerus definitely
Its not "whizz"... its Wees! Lol
Okay, so Black Frieza easily defeated both Goku and Vegeta in their Ultra-Ego and Ultra-Instinct forms, knocking them out and forcing them back to their base form. This was expected since they were already worn out and low on stamina, and Frieza was continuously evolving and growing stronger with each hit. Despite his aging, Frieza's stamina was still increasing, making it even harder for Goku and Vegeta to keep up. Keep in mind, Frieza trained for 10 years to achieve his Black transformation and still managed to one-tap them. This just goes to show that even Beerus, who could easily defeat Frieza, is on a whole other level.
I am unsure about a potential Ultra Instinct or Ultra Ego fusion between Vegito or Gogeta, or if they were to use both transformations at the same time. However, I am certain that if they were to do so, Frieza would have a much tougher time and may not even stand a chance. And even then, Beerus would have no problem defeating such a fusion.
Furthermore, the whole "Battle of the Gods" between Super Saiyan God Red Goku and Beerus, where Beerus supposedly used only one-tenth of his power, has been debunked. It is likely that he was using even less than that and was holding back significantly. This means that Beerus has yet to reveal his true power, as he is the god of destruction in the Dragon Ball universe. It would be shocking to see anyone make him use 100% of his power.
In short, Jiren has no chance against the likes of Beerus.
Beerus would actually have trouble against a goku and vegeta fusion. But black frieza he can still win.
Jiren’s full power is SLIGHTLY stronger than BASE Beerus. You know, the one who fought Ssj god Goku with so much ease he had to lie to him in order to make him feel good
Let's see...
John Wick vs. Batman
You can't move faster than light - it would mean you're moving backwards in time. It's not how light speed works. The speed of light is the speed of causality. This stuff was settled over a half a century ago. Exceeding light speed is a strange way of saying you arrived before you left.
Hakai...and that's the end of the discussion.
I THOUGHT BEERUS COULDN’T EVEN MASTER ULTRA INSTINCT 🤔
Jiren might have greater raw strength than most destroyer Gods, but destroyers have immortality and their ki can only be matched by other destroyers or outdone by angels. Frieza might’ve been able to handle a destroyer’s energy just like how Krillen handled the small spirit bomb, but when he faced Toppo’s hakai, he was absolutely overwhelmed. Maybe Jiren could handle a good deal of hakai from Belmond, but it’s not likely that his power can be matched with normal ki.
When goku was struggling against planet moro beerus just came in and said I’ll handle this
You should do Jiren Vs Saitama two op Baldi’s
The thing is, God Ki is just straight up leagues stronger than Regular Ki. And being a GoD, means that Beerus is 100% God Ki.
Fighters like Goku only have a small percentage of God Ki despite mastering God Forms and combining them with SS transformations and techniques like Kaioken.
So until Goku converts all of his Mortal Ki into God Ki, he ain’t stronger than Beerus.
Look we need a "Budokai Tenkaichi Super" game that would be INSANE!!!
Doesn't make sense, since Jiren was stated to be stronger than ALL of the Gods of Destruction, including Beerus.
he wasn’t stated to be stronger than all of them, he was only stated stronger than belmod, and by extension above the destroyers that are weaker than belmod, also even if it did apply to beerus, that was during the t.o.p, in which mui goku also surpassed beerus (in the anime) later in the moro arc beerus states he can destroy moro, while a stronger mui goku couldn’t, so beerus’s power constantly increases from arc to arc
I used to believe that one and abuse all statement about it being above beerus, untill 1 next arc after broly or 2 say otherwise in manga version at least
@@user-xs3rc1ut8h that statement doesn’t even apply to beerus
@@muhanaveed1999 there's rumor saying mortal stronger than destroyer and that destroyer appear to be above beerus (there's also multiples statement magazine saying jiren likey excert his power and he's beyond gods and so on) then whis claim the rumor is true in ep109 and say jiren while supressed was on destroyer level if not above it meaning any version of jiren that stronger will be definitively above beerus like jiren in ep122,127,129,130
@@LITTLE1994 anime only. The manga and movies prove jiren isn’t relevant anymore as a goalpost.
Who cares who wins?? Flamboyant sweet all-knowing Whis solos💯🔥🔥
Worst part of the video is saying “wiz”
Before ant more beerus fights come out Akira toriyama said goku and vegeta will NEVER surpass whis and beerus because they're something for vegeta and goku to strive for they are the pinnacle of power in dB super
My take is then, there’s just different levels of Hakai!
Faster than the speed of light lol
They said that about fuckin Raditz like 40 years ago
Why Deathstroke VS Moon Knight is much closer than you think PLEASE
Destroyah vs space godzilla!??? Pleaseeeee
Manga and anime Beerus are way different Jiren from anime it’s clearly more powerful then any God of distrution.They make Goku and Vegeta and others look much weaker
There's nothing more inconsistent than the power of a Dragon Ball character.
Beerus is the never ending moving goal post lol, we still don't know the true limits of his power 😭
Casey Jones vs Sportsmaster
0:45 He'll save a world if it' s got delicious treats but destroy it if he doesn't like it's food..
So basically Beerus is a Yelp reviewer on steroids...
Beerus would completely destroy Jiren with one hand tied behind his back while wearing a blindfold and using 1/4 of his strength
So Goku super sayian god rose gold gave beerus a competitive fight. Beerus never trains and Goku and Vegeta have been getting stronger and stronger with newer levels. They keep moving the goal post on Beerus strength.
Marquise of death vs Dr.Fate
Jiren's far more powerful than Beerus. Jiren was MUI tier pre TOP. The gods of destruction are just Omen tier. Only through retconning Jiren has Beerus been able to surpass Jiren
Bro you haven't seen Beerus use his full power so don't jump into concluding that Jiren is stronger than Beerus plus once Beerus uses his destroyer form no blast attack can harm him cause of his destroyer aura just like toppo destroyer form
@@kosianams4098 He used his full power when he fought the other gods of destruction. He got pretty damaged. The only differentiatoe is fighting abilities.
@@RafaAldezhe was fight all 11 gods at once for a good chunk of that fight. And since we saw belmod playing dead for half the fight, we know that they weren't going all out.
Also there is no mastered ui tier. UI, just like any other form is a multiplier of the base form of the fighter. Kid goku could've gotten ui and still get ragdolled by super saiyan goku from namek. Beerus is way stronger than goku in base so even his imperfect ui puts him above goku's mui. Beerus also taught vegeta how to grow stronger by focusing on destruction which he says he does constantly. So we know he can grow stronger while he fights. When he activates ui, he activates it on top of his destroyer powers, which again puts him well past goku. And we know that since blackfrieza oneshotted goku 2 arcs after the ToP and frieza is still not as steong as beerus
there is no such thing as Omen Tier or MUI tier. THis is like saying Freeza is "ssj1 tier" because he lost to ssj1 goku on namek. People have to really shake this notion that forms represent some static tier of power or some shit. Also there was no retconning, it was the anime team that decided they wanted to hype up Jiren into being beyond all Gods and shit. The manga is a lot more clear about Jiren only surpassing Belmod and it's ONLY through power level.
@@Shoddragon finally someone who understands. Forms are multipliers. There is a namek ssj goku tier but no ssj tier. Current manga goku would probably only need omen or ui infused ssj blue to beat jiren from the ToP
Shredder vs Storm Shadow
I’ll never forget when around battle of the gods and when DBS first started writers said if beerus is a 10 SSJ God Goku (Red form) is a 7 in terms of power 😂 they will never stop moving his goal post
When Beerus destroyed half of that planet because of their decent dish, that was funny 😂😂
"Whiz, Kee" :(
"Weese, Kye" :)
Whis, Ki
Chuck Norris vs Jake Paul
This debate been going on for a while for nothing
How about beerus vs broly, he's the only person who get stronger has he fights, if broly should train in the hyperbolic time chamber for a full year then go back in , I believe he could take beerus..