I actually thought Stellan Skarsgard was the standout performance in this film. He must have studied Professors really well because he nailed that really subtle balance of bitterness and smarm. The pause before and delivery of "I'm nothing compared to this young man" is bang on. Acting in Will's favour, but practically self-loathing internally
They act as that way because deep down they know that the saying “those who can’t do teach” is 100% true. I learned this freshman year in business school… The world is made by people who do things out in the real world… not academics in a lab or think tank. This is why central planning always fails countries that try it.
@@jameshetu6885 Yeah I do agree mostly, but I have met a lot of talented academics. Most academic theory (physics , economics, sociology, philosophy does actually come from active Professors in teaching. All the Physicists in the 1920s taught at a university for example. The irony, these days, is that an academic's drive always comes from anything BUT the teaching and esoteric publishing. All would much rather be spinning a company out of the university, being a talking head on tv, or writing a best selling pop science book. When these things don't materialise you get a Gerald Lambeau.
Of all Robin Williams’s roles, this is my favorite along with Mrs. Doubtfire. There’s a dark side in Sean, he’s not the typical guy with a motivational speech and a heart of gold. He has a contained rage and pain that he managed to contain and deal with. He doesn’t have the Robin Williams’s warm smile we all know. He really gets pissed off at moments and seems like someone who’s not afraid of a fist fight. He’s supposed to be a Vietnam veteran and it shows.
When he said “A 26 year old Swiss, patent clerk doing physics in his spare time, who changed the world.” he just made his argument redundant. Einstein wasn’t manipulated or given “direction” to come up with his Theory of Relativity. He did it on his own accord in his spare time.
I always loved Robin Williams dramatic work more than his comedy. As much as I admire his stream of consciousness comedy and improvisation, I felt his dramatic personae was closer to his truer self.
"Then he moved to Montana, and blew the competition away." When you know who he talking about this line takes on a whole new meaning the second time you hear it.
I wonder if those were his improvisational skills on display with that line? His delivery of it seems very much like his setups in comedy, impeccable timing and subtlety.
I was scrolling through the comments and saw this and it was kind of out of place so it took me a min, but I lol'd when it clicked. He was also a submarine commander when he was younger. Really well rounded guy.
I agree with Robin's character. The world isn't entitled to the fruits of a person's genius. It's their right to decide whether or not to share that with the world.
@@DaSpammer940 learn to read. I said yes and no. You shouldn’t force someone into something, but you shouldn’t let something go to waste just because it’s inconvenient. There is a balance, you just have to find it.
@@DaSpammer940 what if, instead of mathematics the boy had the potential genius to cure cancer and save billions in the future from a brutal death? How would you feel then?
Lambeau truly can't comprehend of a world devoid of academic ambition. he's arrogant but empathetic enough to believe what hes doing is right "if i think this way, and im this intelligent, then it is a kindness that i ensure others who are this intelligent are able to fulfil what i logically as the best life" simultaneously he finds Sean a lesser because Sean chose a life outside of ambition, and therefore by logic dictates he is less intelligent
I loved this scene it’s probably some of my favourite dialogue ever. I like how one is frustrated that this intelligent, gifted man isn’t using his abilities to what they really can be and one is worrying about the mental health of said genius. It’s a discussion about this genius and how he could be either a very good extraordinary man who can contribute to the betterment of the world or he can be a extraordinary bad man like the unabomber. Such intelligence is like a knife, could be tool to some and a weapon to others.
I agree, but I also think this comment doesn’t mention that the debate they’re having isn’t just about whether the “genius” boy uses his gift for good or bad, but whether he wants to use it at all. The movie stresses that an “ordinary” (i.e., not mentioned in a history book) life can be just as extraordinary as an “exceptional” life, and may also be a happier one.
I love how intelligent both men seem in this scene. Lambeu is self-aware, confident and modest despite himself. Williams is quick, serious, widely knowledgeable and humane.
The only unbelievable part in this scene is that Stellan Skarsgard character Gerald Lambeau never heard of Ted Kaczynski, his character must know him, both are mathematicians, that is unbelievable
The one thing I hate the most about Will's situation is that his bitterness is essentially keeping him from changing the world within just a few years. Hell he could do it on his terms but he's got such a working-class hero fantasy built to do anything about it. He actually has the power to do good by everyone including himself, but his lack of life experience aside from abuse and poverty keeps it away. I absolutely understand and respect Sean's perspective and style of breaking through to him, but just letting a talent like that run off into the sunset was still a loss. Gerald has been working his entire life to get where he is, and some kid shows him and his entire community up without even trying. There's at least a bit of provocation towards Gerald that Sean just isn't seeing.
2:17 I really love how appropriately pissed Sean gets at that question and it’s implications Yeah, his Wife died of Cancer, yeah, something’s didn’t work out for him, but he didn’t regret it and still can feel and that beats the shit out of being an obtuse snob who thinks intellect is all that matters
It just highlights how out of reach with reality passionate people can be. The guy is obsessed with math and being the best, he doesn’t care about the news.
@@Zluka-Kluka The Unabomber's mathematical papers and manifesto is constantly studied in universities, what baffles me is how this MATH professor (from MIT no less) has never heard of him.. You don't need the news to know who Ted Kaczynski is.
@@IssyFishyy they found this nice comedy sketch, and they decided to keep it because it was very funny, even if it implied something unlikely such as a math professor not knowing about Unabomber. Maybe they were even sure that the average viewer wouldn't think about the contradiction. Probably true.
Well actually Gerald is the one in the wrong. In this specific case where they are talking about Will Sean's idea for Will is much better for Will in the long run also when they are discussing in Seasn's office Sean is in the right and Gerald is in the wrong because they are discussing what is best for Will and there is not way that Gerald's views for will would actually be more beneficial at that current moment. You need to sort yourself how mentally and emotionally before you can ever be truly productive in your life.
Growing up is realising that Chuckie was extremely bright too. He had a mind for business. You think any idiot could walk into an interview and work the room like that? Nope. Much like Will, he just needed the right guidance
Being a smooth slick talker and having true business acumen and savvy are two completely different things. I could definitely see Chuckie as a shady car salesman though. He'd make more money being a POS salesman than a concrete mixer.
That was literally his point. He was a genius in his own right that had won the Fields Medal (like a Nobel Prize for math) and became a professor at MIT, yet still people in his own town hadn’t heard of him. He was trying to say that Will was above him even, at the level of an Albert Einstein or a Jonas Salk.
Even realizing that 84k in 1997 is tantamount to roughly 154k in 2023 (adjusted for inflation), this seems like a low-ball offer. The professor and everyone else have painted the picture that his supposedly God -like mathematical skills would make him invaluable to the world. The Pentagon is trying to recruit him, even his best friend refers to his gift as "the winning lotto ticket). $154,000 is a nice salary, but not what you would expect given how much they make of his abilities. Program managers, software engineers, mortgage brokers, registered nurses, sales reps, There are teachers who make that much (yes, it does happen), info tech, marketing/PR...
$154,000 starting salary for a kid with an empty resume and a dozen red flags, I think that's generous. I like your point though, it's something to think about.
I'm reminded of a line from "Margin Call", when Zachary Quinto's character Peter Sullivan, an aeronautical engineer, is asked how he ended up working at an investment firm, and mentions that the money was considerably better. Government jobs can be good for stability, for professional growth, can look good on a resume and lead to better things later, but sometimes the private sector pays a lot more.
Totally get where you’re coming from, truly. However, I think since Will is currently in a work program instead of prison and he has no formal educational credentials, hasn’t published any work, and has a massive attitude problem, that deal is astoundingly good. I mean, he even sent his friend to pose as him in the interview! But totally, that would be a very low offer for that astounding amount of genius in almost any other set of circumstances.
what the hell is up with your calculations? even at 4% inflation each year which is very low, his 84,000 will be 232,000 which is pretty decent. and at 5 percent it will be 298,000.
It is kind of funny that the Fields medal-winning mathematician is so sheltered in academia that he hasn't heard of perhaps the most notorious domestic terrorist in modern American history (and a fellow mathematician no less), but the bartender from South Boston didn't even hesitate to recognize his name
I actually agree with Gerald here. And what he's doing isn't manipulation -- it's showing direction. It's just that Will didn't choose to go that direction despite that, because of his psychological problems.
But that's wut Sean wus trying to tell him..after talking to will he knew Geralds style of direction and motivation wud never work with will...he understood him in a way Gerald never could and tho they both wanted him to succeed it took sum1 who cud relate to him to give him that push
What distinguishes good teachers from bad teachers is the ability to connect with their students at a level where they understand what motivates them and what holds them back. Giving direction to someone who doesn't trust you is like trying to ride a wild animal. Won't work. You first need to build trust and show that the direction you're giving is in accordance with the motivation of your student. Then the student will choose to follow your direction. If they don't trust you, you have students that don't care about what you try to teach them. Motivation is key and Sean knows that, while Gerald, even though he has been teaching for years is unaware of.
@@helgaioannidis9365 I'm saying that Gerald is a perfect teacher or anything. It's just that he's not a psychologist (hence why the judge ordered psych counseling). A college professor assumes that almost everyone will be motivated by bright future, because that's why students pay a ton of money (esp prestigious colleges). It's just that Will was one of the extremely rare exceptions.
@@helgaioannidis9365 Will may not be a college student, but he is a person. And most people will happily grab (and even kill for) at a chance at success if the opportunity presents itself. Gerald is pointing and pushing Will into the successful life, expecting Will to grab it. The problem is, Will is one of the 1/billion who intentionally chooses to not go on a successful life, because he finds relief in life where no one expects anything from him.
Not sure what's going on with youtube, but i can see dead bodies in real life on different videos, but i can't hear a movie character say a curse word.
Many who work in academia doing research & managing grants often live in a bubble..Back then we still read print newspapers. I imagine he didn't pay much to current events.
@@Agent.Wadsworth That's a weak excuse for simply bad writing. This was literally set during the middle of the trial, everyone knew his name. It was massive news.
Only unrealistic thing about this scene is that robins friend wouldn’t know who Ted is I feel like anyone in mathematics would definitely know who Ted is
I think the point being made is that Gerald is so arrogant to the point of hubris, and that when he asks Tim (the average Joe) if he knows who he is in the third person "Gerald Lambeau", even Tim, the guy serving him face to face doesn't know his name. Therefore Gerald is simultaneously showing his arrogance and ignorance of the world around him. The hammer fall being when Tim (the average Joe) shows that he knows who Ted Kaczynski is instantly. It chips into that hubris, and that he is also as ignorant, nor any better than the average joe. I love this scene. It's perfect.
This entire movie is unrealistic. Enjoyable, but far too content with easy answers and "playing it safe". Perhaps there's irony in that, given the subject matter.
@@Truffle_Pup What? That is completely wrong in my opinion. He lists his own name after Jonas Salk and Einstein to demonstrate he isn't being arrogant. He's saying that he's not doing it for personal glory, he doesn't care if he is forgotten, he sees a brilliance in Will and doesn't want the world to lose the next Einstein. The point of the Ted Kaczynski thing is Sean trying to demonstrate to Gerald that what is important is subjective, and he can't force Will into pursuing something which Will doesn't see as important, no matter how brilliant he is at it. This film isn't massively complex but to say that Gerald is just being arrogant and ignorant is too reductive. He does have a noble pursuit, it's just one based on his ideals, and his inability to view Will's desires as equally valid is what makes him arrogant.
I disagree. Remember during that time Ted's name and face were plastered all over T.V. news and news papers. Even my homies knew who he was. Our high school math Teacher T.A. with him in his Berkeley days he told that story all the time to everyone, and the F.B.I. agent who arrested him came and gave a talk at our High School. At least where I lived everyone knew about him.
Love this film but there's no way on earth a prominent Harvard maths professor would not have heard of Ted Ted Kaczynski and also would have known that Einstein wasn't Swiss. 🤷
I think the people are too dismissive of Lambeau's position here. The movie ultimately wants us to side with Sean, but I think (or hope at least) it's supposed to be somewhat even. Lambeau has a solid point. Letting a kid - especially one with a history of behaving irresponsibly - do what he wants and not challenging him and pushing him in the right direction can be as ruinous to his life as pushing too hard. I'd wager in fact that, nowadays, more people, at least in the US, have failed in life because they weren't pushed hard enough as kids than pushed too hard. In any case, I took the point of the conflict to be less 'Lambeau is wrong' and more that these two men have basically become substitute parents for an orphan, which is both ironic and uncomfortable for Will, even though their motives are both shown to be basically sincere, because he's never had anyone who cared much about his future and habitually distrusts parental figures.
Can you stop censoring words already approved by the rating commity before the films you feature were premiered? It's unnecessary and makes you look silly. Thanks.
That's right, Kaczynski did graduate from Michigan, as did James Earl Jones and Jack Kevorkian. I graduated from the same school as the Unabomber, Dr. Death and Darth Vader. We win.
Stellan John Skarsgård (Gotemburgo, 13 de junio de 1951) es un actor sueco de cine, televisión y teatro. Ganó el Oso de Plata del Festival Internacional de Cine de Berlín de 1982, entre otros.
Robin McLaurin Williams (Chicago, Illinois, 21 de julio de 1951-Paradise Cay, California, 11 de agosto de 2014) fue un comediante, actor y actor de voz estadounidense. Ganador de un premio Óscar, cinco Globos de Oro, un premio del Sindicato de Actores, dos premios Emmy y tres premios Grammy.
The "patent clerk doing physics in his spare time" narrative of Einstein is b.s. He had been well known and travelled all over Europe since just after the turn of the century. The patent clerk post was a serious thing as well and not some postal clerk. It took someone who knew the science of mechanics.
He was working on clock patents, too, so that navigators could better calculate longitude. It’s only *because* of his patent work that he was thinking so much about time and space.
Having known some people who proof patents, I kind of agree ... that is not a standard "clerk" job, it takes serious brains and a wide education ... But it´s also not a position as a professor of physics.
The idea highlighted here is that his occupation is not concordant with his education and that his status should not entitle him to the discoveries he made when there was collection of professors much better equipped to handle them.
Famously the most intelligent person to ever live was actually a young boy, who excelled with his studies and had blasted through university at a young age. Around the age of 14 (i think) he concluded that life was pointless, and thus harakiri'd (fucking censorship). Maybe just let kids be kids 🤷🏻♂️ if someone has a gift it's their choice how they use it. And they're certainly under no obligation to make improvement to humanity. They're expected to work more than us just because they're gifted? Nah. If i were that lucky I'd just use it to get rich and then drop out of society. Never expect anyone to do anything different
I actually thought Stellan Skarsgard was the standout performance in this film. He must have studied Professors really well because he nailed that really subtle balance of bitterness and smarm. The pause before and delivery of "I'm nothing compared to this young man" is bang on. Acting in Will's favour, but practically self-loathing internally
They act as that way because deep down they know that the saying “those who can’t do teach” is 100% true.
I learned this freshman year in business school…
The world is made by people who do things out in the real world… not academics in a lab or think tank. This is why central planning always fails countries that try it.
@@jameshetu6885 Yeah I do agree mostly, but I have met a lot of talented academics. Most academic theory (physics , economics, sociology, philosophy does actually come from active Professors in teaching. All the Physicists in the 1920s taught at a university for example. The irony, these days, is that an academic's drive always comes from anything BUT the teaching and esoteric publishing. All would much rather be spinning a company out of the university, being a talking head on tv, or writing a best selling pop science book. When these things don't materialise you get a Gerald Lambeau.
@@spanishflea634 sorry that's beyond my keyboard skills :)
@@spanishflea634thank you Hermione
Also the arrogance of comparing himself to Einstein.
Of all Robin Williams’s roles, this is my favorite along with Mrs. Doubtfire. There’s a dark side in Sean, he’s not the typical guy with a motivational speech and a heart of gold. He has a contained rage and pain that he managed to contain and deal with. He doesn’t have the Robin Williams’s warm smile we all know. He really gets pissed off at moments and seems like someone who’s not afraid of a fist fight. He’s supposed to be a Vietnam veteran and it shows.
And it's honestly amazing, because Sean, as a result. is one of the most inspiring, relatable characters ever, at least to me.
You mean he’s a human?
@@humantacos9800 I’d say most of his characters are human. He’s rough.
One Hour Photo is amazing. Highly recommend
@@pek5117I did and it was really good.
The retainer scene is like something out of a deleted scenes list
It has this whimsical flute in the background yuck
Ya suspect!!
For an argument to be compelling, both sides need to be right in their own way. Few movies portray that right, but this is spot on.
When he said “A 26 year old Swiss, patent clerk doing physics in his spare time, who changed the world.” he just made his argument redundant. Einstein wasn’t manipulated or given “direction” to come up with his Theory of Relativity. He did it on his own accord in his spare time.
I always loved Robin Williams dramatic work more than his comedy. As much as I admire his stream of consciousness comedy and improvisation, I felt his dramatic personae was closer to his truer self.
The stream of consciousness comedy and improvisation was him on cocaine. The dramatic acting wasn't (probably)
What Dreams May Come is another good movie with Williams in a dramatic role.
@@JackStefanowski Dead Poets Society is another.
One Hour Photo and Insomnia are bad ass too
Disagree. The manic comedy was his true self. Dramatic roles forced him to focus and present someone else's material.
the ego that started this fight will never have a mirror or an audience or the light of gratitude
WHAT DO I SACRIFICE........ EVERYTHINGG
I love the tube socks Ben wore for that interview. Straight class, that guy
"Then he moved to Montana, and blew the competition away." When you know who he talking about this line takes on a whole new meaning the second time you hear it.
Sad not chance!
Yeah, man, we all got it.
I wonder if those were his improvisational skills on display with that line? His delivery of it seems very much like his setups in comedy, impeccable timing and subtlety.
Tony montana?
Who?
I found it cute that Sean told Will’s joke to his friend
No wonder the Baron was such a genious. He was trained like a Mentat in his early years.
I was scrolling through the comments and saw this and it was kind of out of place so it took me a min, but I lol'd when it clicked. He was also a submarine commander when he was younger. Really well rounded guy.
I agree with Robin's character. The world isn't entitled to the fruits of a person's genius. It's their right to decide whether or not to share that with the world.
yes and no. With great power, comes great responsibility. Shouldn't let things go to waste.
@@JDog2656So let’s force people to what they don’t want. So clueless. Go watch the the movie
@@DaSpammer940 learn to read. I said yes and no. You shouldn’t force someone into something, but you shouldn’t let something go to waste just because it’s inconvenient. There is a balance, you just have to find it.
@@JDog2656 I am reading just fine your comment is stupid.
@@DaSpammer940 what if, instead of mathematics the boy had the potential genius to cure cancer and save billions in the future from a brutal death? How would you feel then?
Lambeau truly can't comprehend of a world devoid of academic ambition. he's arrogant but empathetic enough to believe what hes doing is right "if i think this way, and im this intelligent, then it is a kindness that i ensure others who are this intelligent are able to fulfil what i logically as the best life"
simultaneously he finds Sean a lesser because Sean chose a life outside of ambition, and therefore by logic dictates he is less intelligent
I loved this scene it’s probably some of my favourite dialogue ever. I like how one is frustrated that this intelligent, gifted man isn’t using
his abilities to what they really can be and one is worrying about the mental health of said genius. It’s a discussion about this genius and how he could be either a very good extraordinary man who can contribute to the betterment of the world or he can be a extraordinary bad man like the unabomber. Such intelligence is like a knife, could be tool to some and a weapon to others.
beautiful comment
Thank you ❤
I agree, but I also think this comment doesn’t mention that the debate they’re having isn’t just about whether the “genius” boy uses his gift for good or bad, but whether he wants to use it at all. The movie stresses that an “ordinary” (i.e., not mentioned in a history book) life can be just as extraordinary as an “exceptional” life, and may also be a happier one.
It's not his fault.
I'm glad that they didn't make Gerald the villain here, and simply showed two friends who are very flawed.
I love how intelligent both men seem in this scene. Lambeu is self-aware, confident and modest despite himself. Williams is quick, serious, widely knowledgeable and humane.
Gonna start saying that to my son when he forgets his retainer. Just so in the future I can put this movie on and make him laugh.
The only unbelievable part in this scene is that Stellan Skarsgard character Gerald Lambeau never heard of Ted Kaczynski, his character must know him, both are mathematicians, that is unbelievable
There an echo in here?
@@nicewhenearnedrudemostlyel489 Every single comment section, on nearly ever video I watch, people copy each others comments. Sheep flock
@@Fluffy0pz11 i fear it trains them to be psychos, but what do i know?
@@nicewhenearnedrudemostlyel489 why, did you write the same thing, ?? I dont see anything, schmuck
Years later the Skarsgards are the new Bridges, every one of them is a damn fine actor.
Everyone at some time in their life learns that they are not the smartest person
Dunning-Kruger gets us all.
Not me. Speak for yourself mate.
@@haveatyou1 low IQ people assume they are more intelligent than everyone else
@@jordan2d2 True. That's why I'm not making an assumption.
The smartest people you’ll ever meet already know they aren’t
IMO, Robin Williams was never better than in this role. He absolutely blows me away every time I watch the movie.
Agreed. Legendary performance
“Blew the competition away” only Robin Williams
I like how they're arguing how to guide someone.
Directions are super important in times of confusion it’s having that person you trust helping you
The best part at the end of the day will doesn't do anything and the world keeps turning
Probably my favourite film! Cracking acting all round ✊🏻
Blew the competition away 😂
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The one thing I hate the most about Will's situation is that his bitterness is essentially keeping him from changing the world within just a few years. Hell he could do it on his terms but he's got such a working-class hero fantasy built to do anything about it. He actually has the power to do good by everyone including himself, but his lack of life experience aside from abuse and poverty keeps it away. I absolutely understand and respect Sean's perspective and style of breaking through to him, but just letting a talent like that run off into the sunset was still a loss. Gerald has been working his entire life to get where he is, and some kid shows him and his entire community up without even trying. There's at least a bit of provocation towards Gerald that Sean just isn't seeing.
The fact Gerald Lambeau, a world-renowned mathematician, had never heard of the Unabomber is the most take-me-out-of-the-film moment in this movie.
What’s crazy is they both aren’t wrong or right. They both care just for different reasons
2:17 I really love how appropriately pissed Sean gets at that question and it’s implications
Yeah, his Wife died of Cancer, yeah, something’s didn’t work out for him, but he didn’t regret it and still can feel and that beats the shit out of being an obtuse snob who thinks intellect is all that matters
When you want to send someone stupid in your place, you send Affleck.
Might very well be Ben Affleck at his most charming. Yeah the part that got clipped out. Funny good scene
Ya suspect!
lol
@@jlefebre6001 Talk to your mom. She'll clear up any suspicions you have.
A retainer could easily be just someone to talk to about stuff.
The Unabomber attacks ended three years ago at that moment and Gerry never heard about him???? I was ten in ‘96 and I heard about that name.
It just highlights how out of reach with reality passionate people can be. The guy is obsessed with math and being the best, he doesn’t care about the news.
@@Zluka-Kluka
The Unabomber's mathematical papers and manifesto is constantly studied in universities, what baffles me is how this MATH professor (from MIT no less) has never heard of him.. You don't need the news to know who Ted Kaczynski is.
@@IssyFishyy another excellent example of how out of touch Gerry is.
@@IssyFishyy they found this nice comedy sketch, and they decided to keep it because it was very funny, even if it implied something unlikely such as a math professor not knowing about Unabomber. Maybe they were even sure that the average viewer wouldn't think about the contradiction. Probably true.
@@IssyFishyy way to miss the whole point of the scene on a minor nitpick.
Great movie!! I miss Robin Williams.
I love how neither of them are wrong.
That's true in most arguments, unfortunately.
@@SalemGhassanHanna Accept against Flat Earthers. Those guys are morons.
Well actually Gerald is the one in the wrong. In this specific case where they are talking about Will Sean's idea for Will is much better for Will in the long run also when they are discussing in Seasn's office Sean is in the right and Gerald is in the wrong because they are discussing what is best for Will and there is not way that Gerald's views for will would actually be more beneficial at that current moment. You need to sort yourself how mentally and emotionally before you can ever be truly productive in your life.
Thats how she was screaming up up wrong way wrong waaay😂 thanks for the Directions Lisa
old is gold
Growing up is realising that Chuckie was extremely bright too. He had a mind for business. You think any idiot could walk into an interview and work the room like that? Nope. Much like Will, he just needed the right guidance
Being a smooth slick talker and having true business acumen and savvy are two completely different things. I could definitely see Chuckie as a shady car salesman though. He'd make more money being a POS salesman than a concrete mixer.
"A Will without a direction will ask for a retainer during the interview."😜
Aint no way Scarsgaard didn't know the name 'Ted Kosinski'
Well he is an actor not a math nerd
"have you ever heard of me"
"no."
"this isn't about me"
*doubt*
You missed the point. He was trying to say that he wanted to give that to Will, because Will is up there with Einstein.
@@peterpoli2839 lol i dont get why people are finding this scene so hard to understand
That was literally his point. He was a genius in his own right that had won the Fields Medal (like a Nobel Prize for math) and became a professor at MIT, yet still people in his own town hadn’t heard of him. He was trying to say that Will was above him even, at the level of an Albert Einstein or a Jonas Salk.
@@fredk6992 Wow it's almost as if not everyone is the same nor processes information the same as others.
Really beautiful scene..super thought provoking
Hey Robin , do you have a belt i can borrow ?
Williams is a great actor. When you bottle up all that manic behaviour it makes him great
Captain Tupalev made a great point in this scene
I like what Stellan's character is tryna accomplish.
The unabomber part always flabbergasts me. How did he not know who Ted was? Come on.
I miss him !
YOU KNEW HIM!???
Best movie ever made.
If you get awarded a Fields Metal in Mathematics that is life ❤
Even realizing that 84k in 1997 is tantamount to roughly 154k in 2023 (adjusted for inflation), this seems like a low-ball offer. The professor and everyone else have painted the picture that his supposedly God -like mathematical skills would make him invaluable to the world. The Pentagon is trying to recruit him, even his best friend refers to his gift as "the winning lotto ticket). $154,000 is a nice salary, but not what you would expect given how much they make of his abilities.
Program managers, software engineers, mortgage brokers, registered nurses, sales reps,
There are teachers who make that much (yes, it does happen), info tech, marketing/PR...
$154,000 starting salary for a kid with an empty resume and a dozen red flags, I think that's generous. I like your point though, it's something to think about.
I'm reminded of a line from "Margin Call", when Zachary Quinto's character Peter Sullivan, an aeronautical engineer, is asked how he ended up working at an investment firm, and mentions that the money was considerably better. Government jobs can be good for stability, for professional growth, can look good on a resume and lead to better things later, but sometimes the private sector pays a lot more.
@@kirinrex such a great movie, deserves more recognition.
Totally get where you’re coming from, truly. However, I think since Will is currently in a work program instead of prison and he has no formal educational credentials, hasn’t published any work, and has a massive attitude problem, that deal is astoundingly good. I mean, he even sent his friend to pose as him in the interview! But totally, that would be a very low offer for that astounding amount of genius in almost any other set of circumstances.
what the hell is up with your calculations? even at 4% inflation each year which is very low, his 84,000 will be 232,000 which is pretty decent. and at 5 percent it will be 298,000.
It is kind of funny that the Fields medal-winning mathematician is so sheltered in academia that he hasn't heard of perhaps the most notorious domestic terrorist in modern American history (and a fellow mathematician no less), but the bartender from South Boston didn't even hesitate to recognize his name
Direction and manipulation are two different thing. You can tell when a thing isn't for you or about you.
Why is robin williams gone? A gift to this generation and this earth.
Ben Affleck's high pants and socks makes it for me 😂
the socks...so, so good.
27 years ago $84,000 a year was a lot of money. Now it's barely above the average.
Lol ya there were houses for sale in decent neighborhoods for 90k at that time.
wish i had people to stand up for me thats for sure.
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Sure he never heard if the unibomber 😂
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I actually agree with Gerald here. And what he's doing isn't manipulation -- it's showing direction. It's just that Will didn't choose to go that direction despite that, because of his psychological problems.
But that's wut Sean wus trying to tell him..after talking to will he knew Geralds style of direction and motivation wud never work with will...he understood him in a way Gerald never could and tho they both wanted him to succeed it took sum1 who cud relate to him to give him that push
What distinguishes good teachers from bad teachers is the ability to connect with their students at a level where they understand what motivates them and what holds them back.
Giving direction to someone who doesn't trust you is like trying to ride a wild animal. Won't work. You first need to build trust and show that the direction you're giving is in accordance with the motivation of your student. Then the student will choose to follow your direction. If they don't trust you, you have students that don't care about what you try to teach them.
Motivation is key and Sean knows that, while Gerald, even though he has been teaching for years is unaware of.
@@helgaioannidis9365 I'm saying that Gerald is a perfect teacher or anything. It's just that he's not a psychologist (hence why the judge ordered psych counseling). A college professor assumes that almost everyone will be motivated by bright future, because that's why students pay a ton of money (esp prestigious colleges). It's just that Will was one of the extremely rare exceptions.
@@michaelsong5555 he ignores the fact that Will is not a college student. A good teacher would be aware of that and Gerald isn't.
@@helgaioannidis9365 Will may not be a college student, but he is a person. And most people will happily grab (and even kill for) at a chance at success if the opportunity presents itself. Gerald is pointing and pushing Will into the successful life, expecting Will to grab it. The problem is, Will is one of the 1/billion who intentionally chooses to not go on a successful life, because he finds relief in life where no one expects anything from him.
Not sure what's going on with youtube, but i can see dead bodies in real life on different videos, but i can't hear a movie character say a curse word.
What hurts is that intellectual is being lost.
Your telling me this dude doesn't know who Ted Kaczynski is? No shot
Probably knew of the Unabomber, but not by name. I had heard of him too, but didn't learn his name until years later.
Many who work in academia doing research & managing grants often live in a bubble..Back then we still read print newspapers. I imagine he didn't pay much to current events.
@@Agent.Wadsworth That's a weak excuse for simply bad writing. This was literally set during the middle of the trial, everyone knew his name. It was massive news.
@@kermdeezy5330 No look me, look fence.
The Ted Kaczynski line was almost as good as the your move chief line in the park scene
I think Lambeau would've heard of Kaczynski especially since the late 90s was the height of Kacznski's "popularity".
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Only unrealistic thing about this scene is that robins friend wouldn’t know who Ted is I feel like anyone in mathematics would definitely know who Ted is
Felt the same way, especially around that time. Pretty sure this was shortly after he got caught wasn't it?
I think the point being made is that Gerald is so arrogant to the point of hubris, and that when he asks Tim (the average Joe) if he knows who he is in the third person "Gerald Lambeau", even Tim, the guy serving him face to face doesn't know his name. Therefore Gerald is simultaneously showing his arrogance and ignorance of the world around him.
The hammer fall being when Tim (the average Joe) shows that he knows who Ted Kaczynski is instantly. It chips into that hubris, and that he is also as ignorant, nor any better than the average joe.
I love this scene. It's perfect.
This entire movie is unrealistic. Enjoyable, but far too content with easy answers and "playing it safe". Perhaps there's irony in that, given the subject matter.
@@Truffle_Pup What? That is completely wrong in my opinion. He lists his own name after Jonas Salk and Einstein to demonstrate he isn't being arrogant. He's saying that he's not doing it for personal glory, he doesn't care if he is forgotten, he sees a brilliance in Will and doesn't want the world to lose the next Einstein. The point of the Ted Kaczynski thing is Sean trying to demonstrate to Gerald that what is important is subjective, and he can't force Will into pursuing something which Will doesn't see as important, no matter how brilliant he is at it. This film isn't massively complex but to say that Gerald is just being arrogant and ignorant is too reductive. He does have a noble pursuit, it's just one based on his ideals, and his inability to view Will's desires as equally valid is what makes him arrogant.
I disagree. Remember during that time Ted's name and face were plastered all over T.V. news and news papers. Even my homies knew who he was. Our high school math Teacher T.A. with him in his Berkeley days he told that story all the time to everyone, and the F.B.I. agent who arrested him came and gave a talk at our High School. At least where I lived everyone knew about him.
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Love this film but there's no way on earth a prominent Harvard maths professor would not have heard of Ted Ted Kaczynski and also would have known that Einstein wasn't Swiss. 🤷
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I think the people are too dismissive of Lambeau's position here. The movie ultimately wants us to side with Sean, but I think (or hope at least) it's supposed to be somewhat even. Lambeau has a solid point. Letting a kid - especially one with a history of behaving irresponsibly - do what he wants and not challenging him and pushing him in the right direction can be as ruinous to his life as pushing too hard. I'd wager in fact that, nowadays, more people, at least in the US, have failed in life because they weren't pushed hard enough as kids than pushed too hard.
In any case, I took the point of the conflict to be less 'Lambeau is wrong' and more that these two men have basically become substitute parents for an orphan, which is both ironic and uncomfortable for Will, even though their motives are both shown to be basically sincere, because he's never had anyone who cared much about his future and habitually distrusts parental figures.
Allegedly, your situation, for you, would be concurrently improved if I had $200 in my back pocket right now...
Can you stop censoring words already approved by the rating commity before the films you feature were premiered? It's unnecessary and makes you look silly. Thanks.
How famous was Ted Kadzinsky's math work?
That's right, Kaczynski did graduate from Michigan, as did James Earl Jones and Jack Kevorkian. I graduated from the same school as the Unabomber, Dr. Death and Darth Vader. We win.
That starting salary would be considered way too low by today’s standards… thanks corporate greed inflation.
I knew a victim of Kazinski.
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Dam 84k a year in 1997 is worth almost 163k a year today
Stellan John Skarsgård (Gotemburgo, 13 de junio de 1951) es un actor sueco de cine, televisión y teatro. Ganó el Oso de Plata del Festival Internacional de Cine de Berlín de 1982, entre otros.
Robin McLaurin Williams (Chicago, Illinois, 21 de julio de 1951-Paradise Cay, California, 11 de agosto de 2014) fue un comediante, actor y actor de voz estadounidense. Ganador de un premio Óscar, cinco Globos de Oro, un premio del Sindicato de Actores, dos premios Emmy y tres premios Grammy.
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This movie is great but the psychologist/psychiatrist does not help the kid become better in life and uplift others who surrounded this kid.
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Ted kacynski went to harvard
The "patent clerk doing physics in his spare time" narrative of Einstein is b.s.
He had been well known and travelled all over Europe since just after the turn of the century. The patent clerk post was a serious thing as well and not some postal clerk. It took someone who knew the science of mechanics.
He was working on clock patents, too, so that navigators could better calculate longitude. It’s only *because* of his patent work that he was thinking so much about time and space.
Having known some people who proof patents, I kind of agree ... that is not a standard "clerk" job, it takes serious brains and a wide education ...
But it´s also not a position as a professor of physics.
The idea highlighted here is that his occupation is not concordant with his education and that his status should not entitle him to the discoveries he made when there was collection of professors much better equipped to handle them.
Famously the most intelligent person to ever live was actually a young boy, who excelled with his studies and had blasted through university at a young age. Around the age of 14 (i think) he concluded that life was pointless, and thus harakiri'd (fucking censorship).
Maybe just let kids be kids 🤷🏻♂️ if someone has a gift it's their choice how they use it. And they're certainly under no obligation to make improvement to humanity. They're expected to work more than us just because they're gifted? Nah. If i were that lucky I'd just use it to get rich and then drop out of society. Never expect anyone to do anything different
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If you wanna retain his skills, give him the bread 🍞
Ever heard of Terrance Tao, ST Yau, Euler, Andrew Wiles? probably still no.
Ironically, Robin Williams looked like Ted Kaczynski when he said "Ted Kaczynski".
Old teddy boy was right tho 😅😅 the point didnt age well in the age of technological breakthroughs
Did anyone watch to the end? Lol
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They don’t make movies like they used to anymore. Where did all the intelligent conversations went to?