In my expirience there is 2 bronze. On my first acc in bronze i play champions to train - i have 40% winrate and i always have 0-20% winrates teammates vs 80% in enemy team. I keveled second acc and play only my main with 90% winrate. And every game i have teamates with 70-90% winrate vs 0-20% in enemy team
I was bronze . I was mad . I was stuck . They told me to get good. I played . I still was hardstuck. I took my favorite and best champion . I only played him . I limit tested every new match up to new what nonsense i could do in x match up to get a advantage and break their mental. Now I'm no longer stuck in bronze . I'm stuck in iron with a green tint to it 🙃.
I have done everything i could and i went from iron 1 to iron 2. One of my last game withing 5 mins our mid 0/9. yes i know, let that sink in. And yes the enemy mid snowballed and decimated everyone.
You can say what you are doing is the most basic of things, but in reality, it is not. Coach Curtis realized this after his adventures in bronze as well. The things you auto-do because of your experience and level of normal play will have you stomp most bronze games. It's like having Usain Bolt run against high schoolers with one arm tied behind his back. That kind of handicap doesn't matter when there are so so so many more important things at play.
Kind of both are true. Pretty much all he was doing was farming and then wondering around until he sees an enemy totally out of position then kills them. Yeah he says all he is doing is pushing q and e but yeah he instantly kills everyone he runs across and that isn't because he is just pushing 2 buttons slowly its because he's challenger and of course will win pretty much any 1v1 even any 1v2 in bronze, probably kill both 1v2 worst case runs but doesn't die
I once had a friend tell me I couldn't climb his hardstuck bronze acc to gold. I'm a low plat jungler and it took me 2 days with a 85% winrate.... I'm not even that stuck in plat I just dont play as much. My average k/d is 13/6 in last 20 games and only 50% winrate, feeding teammates everywhere. I could claim I'm in losers queue but the reality is probably that I suck at closing out games where I have a lead, and if I improve there I probably climb way more consistent.
The problem is just that this guy sucks at Lee Sin, or at least isn't super impactful, and in order to be anywhere close to as effective as a Diana would be as Lee Sin you have to be 100x better at the game. He probably realizes he would climb faster as something other than lee sin, but likes playing Lee Sin.
@@tox_ph0b0s80 That's the thing though if your goal is to climb then you have to ditch hard characters like Lee Sin and learn the game and the role. If your goal is to learn Lee Sin then learn Lee Sin but don't complain about not climbing you have to do things that are in line what your goals are.
@@darkcircle899 The whole point of a coach is to help people with their personal aspirations. Not to recommend fucking Diana. He's also a loser for proliferating this negative IQ dogshit to his community. People should endure capital punishment for playing/recommending things like Diana.
the only scenario i would not condemn accoutn sharing/boosting. just to shut all those loserqueue copium sniffers up about how their account is rigged by riot with inters/smurfs/unfair matchmaking a dimwit was actually so obliviously obtuse he loudly claimed in a chatroom of thousand viewers, that riot granting each team 50% chance to win, is proof of loser queue. how does someone say something so outlandishly foolish without feeling shame? thank you for being a voice of reason in the midst of a deluded playerbase. much needed
@@GrammeStudio People are just in general allergic to personal accountability and that applies to video games as well. They want to find a reason that can be anything but them for why they're not reaching their goals.
@@laurynassimonaitis80 nope, every fking lane think you should win their lane for them. I got flamed first day when I played jngler and now after 6 years still the same. mute is the way some players know the game but most fkers will flame u and they know they lost their lane solo but they still will use you as an excuse for their loss. "Jungle diff"
Jungle is also "weak" because low elo junglers, instead of ganking early, and looking for an good opportunity to kill, will either afk farm and fall behind, or gank without paying any attention to wave state, hp bars & champ matchups and will instead gank a full hp malphite that is under turret
I think a lot of coaches take for granted that people will know how to play their champs. Farming doesn't matter if you don't know what to do with the gold or how to use your champ abilities.
More importantly than that, you have to know when you can trade with the enemy champs risk free. If you take a trade thinking it's safe but it's not, you die. And you have to know that across all 170 champions and across different gold / level / itemization states.
29:32 insanely funny bit giving big "how the fuck is cyberbullying real just close your eyes" energy best part is that it's true, if you're getting tilted on league for ANYTHING ELSE than playing bad yourself it's time to reconsider your mindset
@@karlosliskovic so ? feed all you want, I'll collect the bounty go AFK, I'll get compensation LP flame me ? I don't have chat on monk mental, nothing should faze you, only focus on getting better
@@karlosliskovic ADC Main here. If you flame me, I mute you. You're stuck in Gold with me. There is nothing you can say that will be good advice, because you're not a Level 30 Smurf. You're ALSO in Gold.
Lmao you cannot get mad when someone fucks up your games. It’s literally a team game. You can get mad at your teammates. The problem which riot created is an environment that doesn’t care about winning
That's why he picked very simple champs to prove the point. Diana is super easy, super strong and very good for SoloQ. Few good examples for easy champs that are generally so easy to play that anyone can pick them up... Diana, Warwick, Amumu, Xin Zhao, VI... I wouldn't put Briar in that list, because that champ is actually harder than most people would think. Briar is pure macro. No mechanics. But heavy on the macro and micro.
@@mysticflow467 Assassins literally have the most straight forward role in the game. Engage and kill as many as possible with your burst. That's it. Of course some assassins require setup or positioning to execute their oneshots. But Diana takes literally no skill in that regard. We could talk about Zed, we could talk about Talon, but never in a hundred years would I tell you that Diana is hard. I am speaking from the perspective of a fairly high ranked player here and I do mostly play Assassin's. Like Talon and Diana. Diana needs the bare minimum, that's why she's so good. You have less margin of error and she's a good champ, that's why she's really popular in boosting and high elo junglers. If you want to climb as a jungler, pick Diana.
@@Jetlef_B_Toast having a straight forward role doesn't mean they're easy, you still have to know who to go on and when to go in. assassins are typically squishy eh whatever, diana is pretty easy, she's not on the level of a full tank amumu or garen though she's not "super easy"
@@mysticflow467 Yeah of course, but it's like saying support is super easy. It depends a lot on what champion you play, right? Every role can be easier or harder to play depending on the Champions ability to strive in that archetype of play-style.
Amazing as always. As low elo player myself when I lost drake, or die I just get mad on myself, forget which camps I just cleared, then I tilt myself even more I wasted my time, then sometimes I try to invade enemy camps on that side if they are empty I am mad, if I die while invading then I feel completely washed up. I don't know what and why I am doing this. The only thing that can help me to return focus is my teammate did some epic play won 1 vs 3, get triple kill, and my brain again started to work. Otherwise, I am lost. At 24:30 when you said even if you die it is fine death. I know how exactly how I feel. I would feel me as only one who have kills died, gave shutdown and I did not get objective. I just did not get it why is "good" to die there if that happens?
I guess dying there Is fine because he already got 5 grubs out of 6, he has Great lead on enemy jungler, and mainly because ksante Lost more than 1 wave worth of exp and Gold Just to go there and even if he gets the kill it's really not worth. Also Sinerias knows perfectly how to play and keep the lead even if he dies once or twice, because he has a challenger knowledge and a strong mindset which most of bronze players don't have, as you also said
So basically why is that death fine is simple as he said he cleared all his camps, and tryed to fight for that objective while enemy toplane is losing whole wave of xp, even if sinerias dies there he doesn’t lose anything in tempo he anyways need to recall and get item after that void grubs and then just continue farming. Bad deaths are the onese where you die in early game and you didnt clear your camps.
It's a fine death because of the following: - He already ganked toplane and scored a kill - He shoved the wave into the enemy tower, so the enemy top laner is losing farm (gold + xp) - The enemy toplaner ignored the shoved wave and went in a straight line to score a kill, so he's losing way more farm than he should - Amumu already had the grubs buff A kill is only 300g, that's 3 waves worth. The wave he shoved into the tower was worth a little over 200g. The next wave that arrived was worth over 100g. That's basically a kill worth of gold AND extra XP Ksante gave up because he wanted a kill. A kill doesn't grant you the same amount of XP that 3 minion waves does. IF Ksante scored a kill, he would gain a bounty because Amumu had 4 kills in a row. He would gain way more gold that the shoved wave he ignored. However, a kill is never garanteed, there's only a chance you'll score a kill; farm, however, is always garanteed. You only leave your lane when your wave is shoved, that occupies the enemy laner because he can't afford to lose farm. That applies for Recall, Objectives and Roaming. When you shove your wave, you apply pressure. When you apply pressure, you can use that pressure to occupy your enemy and either score a kill on him (minions aggro on enemies if they attack you), take a turrent plate (minions under turret allows you to do more damage and they also apply damage) or leave your lane to do whatever. All in all, it's almost never a good idea to leave your lane when you have a shoved enemy wave.
I've climbed to plat recently for the first time on a jungle only account and the biggest thing that junglers (and pretty much any player) in low elo mess up is not knowing how to build a tempo advantage over the enemy and take what is guaranteed to create an advantage. Every bronze stuck player is not doing 3 key things: 1)Getting players better than them to review their game play 2) Watching and and learning from watching better players to mimic what they do well 3) Creating learning plans for themselves to consciously improve something specific Yes, in bronze the team mates are usually horrible, but the enemy players are also just as horrible. Put a Plat jungler in a bronze game and they will carry 9/10 times when with the worst team mates. To really optimize the win percentage, playing carry junglers that can 1v5 the enemy team when they are ahead like Belveth, Brand, Nocturn, etc. If you want to climb, playing champs that don't need your team mates to also be winning is really helpful. Also, stop playing random champions every other game. Pick like 2 or 3 and never play anything else until you've mastered them. That way you'll know the champions and match ups really well and can spend more time thinking about how to win the game instead of what the champion does. I've seen so many people randomly pick some champ they haven't played in 9 months in ranked just because they see it's the best "counterpick" only to run it down because they have no idea what they are doing. Stick to what you know and you'll be much more consistent, and consistency is what climbing in ranked is all about.
Despite what half the comments say I have dealt with these same issues however I watched this video and gave it a shot along with watching some other videos. I went from stuck in iron 4 with a 40% win rate to bronze 4 in a matter of days with a 82% win rate. Thank you for your videos you’re a great teacher
THIS IS HANDS DOWN THE BEST EDUCATIONAL CHANNEL FOR JGLERS. I kid you not now when im telling i climbed since split 2 started from b3 to plat. This is less than 1 month now. Before watching sinerias i was stuck between gold and silver, split 2 started in b3 cause i did mistakes and my team lost lanes 3 games in a row, and i hard carried since then. OFC, not every game, but most of games i could do 1v9, im now p4, 55% winrate and the journey just begun. I know p4 is not high elo, but i can clearly see ppl playing macro way better , same thing i can say about gold, and this makes my games way more easier cause they actually rotate, ping summs, ping enemy missing and game is actually enjoyable when teammates play the game. worth to mention: im a former master 4 player but since master have been introduced i havent played consistently lol for some years (i ve played like 1-2 weeks ranked, one or two or more months break) and i woke up rusty and in a game with a new map, new camps, new champs, etc. So im considering now myself new to the game, needing to relearn stuff, and capitalize on the fundamentals cause this is how u climb in jungle, anything but fundamentals are pointless if u wanna escape low elo, being otp but with 0 fundamentals (when to gank, when to split, when to retreat, when to objective etc.) will keep u hardstuck, for exemple, cause if u can secure a lead (by playing mechanical perfect) but lose it as fast as u secured because low macro knowledge., u lose. Yeah, u wont have 100% wr even with applied fundamentals cause u lack some mechanical skills or have laners that went 0/10 for no reason, but i can tell u will win more game then u will lose and therefore u climb.
@@jansentrichas8635 dosent change the fact fundamentals are esential for climbing. Also i was master when it was introuced this means 2014-2015 If i remember well. Call me diamond then idgaf about it, is still high elo (back then and even now, by statistics).What i was saying and what sinerias teaching is how u climb. Also pls...bring an argument??? Tell me to stfu for what? U stuck bronze and mad or u are another shitty elitist that thinks everyone below his rank is high elo ? Lol poor guy
@@luciofilipe im bragging about the fact i climbed after i didnt play for SOME YEARS this game. This mean i forgot a lot of stuff... And had to relearn. wtf dude. Some of You love to read whatever justifiy your scenarios.
As someone who was stuck in iron/bronze for 3 seasons and who recently promoted to emerald, I can confidently say that this advice will absolutely get you out of bronze. All you have to do in bronze is play 1-2 champs (preferably full clear champs), focus on your clear/optimizing your speed and don’t overplay on ganks. That’s literally it. Don’t force plays. Focus on your clear every base/clear the same way every game/optimize your clear and gank on the way or at the end of your clear. You will lose some games sure. But you will absolutely win more than you lose.
The reveal of the elo at the end of the video is insane. You actually are an amazing teacher! Thank you for all your educational content you’re the GOAT of jungle coaching
31:40 Took me a while to figure out that the laning phase isn't that important, and that if you have good vision and map awareness mid game, you can turn a losing laning phase into a stomp if you choose good fights.
I wanted to come back from my previous comment and say this. Today I tried exactly what is shown on the video with xin as my champ and the games are far easier. Honestly i am stoned from this. It really works. Ty man
In a usual game 9:10 bear is pushing like no tommorrow. He gets ganged by brand and flames. 10:30 sylas ky in tower you dont get assist, he dies. Flames you 11:00 your bot dies, both of them. They flame you. 12:30 you try take voidgrubs and you are getting ganged by fed top and middlane. You die. At the same time brand gets free dragon My point is that you can teach in a game where you win 3-2. How about 4-0?
i went from being hardstuck silver for seasons to emerald 1/d4 in 2 seasons, all I did was watch my own vods and informative channels like this, did it on jng currently at plat 2 with 74 percent wr on my main from watching alois. also you need to drop ego and realize you know nothing, helps alot but most people like to complain instead of work hard, same with the gym, no matter how much I tell ppl its just consistency and basics they dont believe it.
I would say you improved, but not as much as you think if you did it in these recent seasons, once emerald was added everyone and their mom went from gold to emerald without improving
I have 2 accounts on KR, main is Gold 2 with a winrate of betweenn 60-70% with Yi main. Second account with at 40% win rate on bronze 2. I think the biggest issue, is NOT that we don't know how to play. The biggest issue is when we know what the "correct" thing to do is, however 3 or 4 of our team mates do not, and they hard feed from the early early game. If you're clearing your path towards top, and you ping your teammates that enemy jungler is going to gank them, and they ignore you with less than 5% HP left and their line is already pushing into the enemy tower with absolutely no reason to be in lane anymore, and they continue to feed enemy bot lane (who will be a heavy CC comp) and/or jungler, and your OTHER lanes are doing the same stupid things to go 0-4 within the first 5-6 minutes, then it becomes nearly impossible. In silver or gold elo, I will have at least 1 or 2 people that will play with me, and that's when I can force carry games. But with 4 braindead people, that's when it truly starts getting frustrating and you ponder your life choices, and wonder why you're wasting brain cells playing this cancer of a game. At 8:11 you mention numbers advantage. There's something about Korean bronze players where they will ALWAYS 1v2 when they are losing, but as soon as your team groups up and YOU have a numbers advantage, they stay back and do not use any skills. It's a very, very strange phenomena, and it blows my mind. 16:34 - This has got to be the best performing bronze team I've EVER seen, something that I can only experience once in every 30 or 40 games in bronze. Gold elo is so much more fair and evenly matched. Just got back from a bronze game. Bot team threw the whole game, then force ff'ed because I wouldn't gank their lane when their HP was at below 25%, with enemy comp being hard CC support and super fed Caitlyn lol.
I'm emerald and except if teammates farm my jungle consistantly before 20mn or 2 of them disconnect, I don't think I can lose a single bronze or silver game. But it's a hard elo to pass as it's the elo where you litterally start. Meaning that when you do something wrong, it's really hard to understand what you do wrong + people don't watch replay, to compare with what you do Sinerias and realise that no, they didn't finish their 2nd and 3rd full clear but roam around, waste time xp and gold. Bronze is all about full clearing
I’m in diamond to low masters and I don’t see a difference between gold and emerald. Started silver with a new account and games are literally harder than on my D4 account. Maybe it’s Smurf queue but they play just like emeralds
@@yournemesis192 careful with the split, a lot of plat, emerald are still silver/gold at the moment. This 2nd split is weird but if you check your opponent/allies, most of them will have been plat/emerald on previous split/season
jungle is the strongest it has ever been in my opinion. The reason is the xp buff to camps, it is preaty easy to keep the same level as the solo laners and the one and a half minute earlier level 6 feels real good
I think especially right now just full clearing is insane, if low elo players grasp things like jungle tracking and taking enemy camps you will 100% just climb to emerald low without being very proactive (in terms of ganking a lot and capitalizing on summs, ults etc)
@@pennywiseS-l5b The issue is that one game is not a representative sample. There are so many games in which your team doesn't care about objectives, defending towers, and placing or clearing vision, but the enemy team does. And then the enemy team will get lane advantage and vision advantage across the map and invade your camps. You won't get objectives and can't get farm either. And these types of games are not rare.
@@Yutani_Crayven Sure, that's true, but there's a 50/50 chance of getting a better or worse team. You might get unlucky and end up in a 'losers' queue,' but in the long run, if you play consistently better, you'll climb. It's just simple statistics.
Getting stuck in bronze is a case of a dog chasing its own tail. You won't learn from randomised outcomes (in Bronze people don't make good decisions and don't execute well). Focusing on 1vs9 is a means to an end. Once you reach a rating at which people start to make good decisions and execute decently, then you can begin to learn from teamplay. What that rating is exactly depends on the individual.
My biggest gripe with low elo as a jungler is even when my lanes have priority. They don't help take objectives or in fights in the river. It's really irritating.
it's actually much harder to do this player vs. monster thing, I tried a few times in the practice tool and always come out a few seconds later then you do it.
after playing top for 10+ years and playing some jgl recently (not in bronze, but emerald so idk if its different) it feels like i have 200 times more agency over the course of the game. Toplane is like watching a game compared to jungle for real. Jgl is definitely the most efficient role to climb by far (maybe aside from support but only dia+)
While I agree with pretty much everything said here, I would like to criticize the method of presentation: The ONLY way to experimentally back up that this is a reliable method to climb out of bronze is to play this way for a statistically significant number of games IN BRONZE and then show the results. I understand (and appreciate) why you don't wanna do that, but showing a gold game doesn't prove your point. And here's why: The number one argument I see in the posts you mention is "The things I get told by high elo players don't work. The things that win Gold games don't win Bronze games". This is an insidious statement because it's not entirely wrong, just a massively loaded half-truth. Things that make a difference in gold / plat do not make a difference in Bronze, because the things that make the biggest difference in Bronze are mostly nailed down by higher rank players and therefore fade from view as you go up in rank. Another issue is that your mechanics and in-fight decision making (a.k.a. autopilot) are leagues (hehe) better than that of the person you are addressing. A Bronze player in that Diana game might well have died in that mid 2v2 (e.g. by tanking an extra tower shot, walking into a stun, switching focus at a wrong point), then gotten mad at Sylas for "not following properly". One of the reasons the mentality you present is so great is that it allows anyone to really focus on themselves. It would be great if you at least mentioned that explicitly (you implicitly addressed it when you mentioned that you expect to win every single game this way, while others should expect to be in a winning position 70% of the time). I work in the natural sciences. A really important point that we get hammered into our brains time and time again is that when you try to collect experimental evidence you have to make damn sure that your experiment actually validates your prediction. Gold is not Bronze. And one game is not a representative sample. It also doesn't help that the match you are showing is - for lack of better words - a rather tame one. There is no fighting between teammates, nobody (on either side) is feeding their asses off, there was no lopsided poorly executed level 1 bullshit in either jungle, no raging teammates taking entire quadrants in the mid-game, no support sitting in top lane from level 5 on leaving their ADC to rot while simultaneously putting top behind in levels, etc pp. I get the spirit of these videos, I really do. However, there is little point to them unless they present actual solid experimental evidence. Which means in this case: Get a hardstuck Bronze 3 or 4 account and actually push it to silver, then show a representative set of matches with an explanation how they were selected.
You are absolutely wrong. I started playing league 2 weeks ago and I have climbed to silver after watching this video. Before watching this video I was in iron, about 70% winrate since watching this video. The CS lead you get is too good not to win. Every single game I have double or more than double of the cs that the enemy jungler has. I win every fight in the early game due to this.
@@proxyae0 You forgot to read that part of the post where I said the arguments are right but the evidence presented is not (so, basically, the entire post).
Sinerias I love how you make things simple, I'm a toplaner, I watch you not only to learn a bit of jungle, but also to learn to play around my jungler, and help him get ahead instead of spamming jungle Diff 😅
Much like chess, tempo and positioning are more important than taking pieces. Farm > objectives > turrets >kills - there is variance, however and you will get rng’d.
This is my first season jungling. I left placements in gold. I am LOST on how people are in bronze. All I do is farm and get objectives. I end almost every game 100+ CS above the other jungler, 6 grubs and dragon soul. Its so gratifying to see someone higher ranked than me preaching my philosophy.
Your lost on how your team can leave you to solo all those objectives you're supposedly always getting? Cause as jg I can outlevel/cs my opponent no problem. I can't stop my teammates from throwing the other team catch up gold over and over while being dead and losing map pressure/vision. I love these comments. *I got to win my matches and climb, why can't everyone?* Yeah, imagine if everyone was allowed this level of success. A sample size of even 50-100 matches in bronze would barely scratch the surface of what people are dealing with. And since we know streamers for any game get better luck/results in their gameplay to keep it interesting....well.. I'll just say the teams I get aren't what you were given buddy. It wants me to carry WAY harder than this.
What I've learned in bronze is full insecurity, you will have full counters lose lane, absolutely no vision and then random cracked vision on the lane u have prior in its just a complete roll of the dice.
"Basic stuff" then proceeds to say, "I noticed he used his Q and that's why I turn" lmao. A lot of bronze play locked screen or once focused on an obj they don't look back to where they just were.
just saw this video, can confirm even though im a top laner, if you mute and JUST focus on fundamentals like CS, properly helping team and where to go if your team is inting, youll climb much faster.
It's always easier to climb when your rank is much higher than the rank you're playing at. Some roles and champs might really be hard for people worth only 1 league above.
15:40 When your team is full griefing, which happens all the damn time in this elo, you don't get void grubs and you don't get dragons. The enemy team moves, your team does not. Yes, statistics should even that out, but that's not how it works for some godforsaken reason. How do you win games in which the enemy team has better objective focus, including pushing and defending towers, than your team does? What do you do when they keep invading your camps afterward, because they place wards and have lane advantage, and your team doesn't care about vision?
i appreciate your content, so id like to give some input that may help you grow. to say something is easy can be demeaning. its kinda like well you should obviously already know x y z. i want to mention many things u do in ths is not 'easy'. just atching ur first gank in 1, ur movement is built on hundreds of hours of practice. u dont walk into tower, u know when and why to turn. u bait out their abilities etc. there was a lot you did there the average bronze wouldnt know. i agree with idea to simplify it , go scuttle to scuttle but what ur doing is skilled even if you're trying to simplify it. i saw this in another video too and thought it was worth bringing up. ill be watching more stuff, thanks again for it!
This comment section is so cringe. The only reason you can't climb out of bronze is because you belong there. You're bad. It's really that simple, cope more and stay bad.
Genuine question. Highest i ever hit was Gold at one point, and I stopped playing ranked a while ago. What do you do in the lower ELOs when you're relatively consistently winning lane, but almost every other lane is losing? For instance, last game I played I was doing pretty fine. Something like 2/1 with 70 cs at like 9 minutes. Top lane died 2 or 3 times before I ever even did my first clear. Bot lane died twice before 4 minutes. Top ended the game like 1/10 with an absurdly low cs value and no complete item, and bot ended like 6/12. I can generate an advantage, but I can't consistently generate enough of an advantage to combat an early fed carry. What do? Edit for clarity: 90% of the like 12 kills the top and bot had were solo, no jungler.
I'll put it this way: The most misunderstood hero in the iron, bronze, even silver league is Karthus... Always accused of not actively engaging in fights, just because he clears his jungle... And at the same time is one of the top banvans in the higher leagues. Before Kartus was recognized as a jungler, I loved playing him there and if I was allowed mid. This is my main mid character. But... Those basic things you showed, it's really hard for a lot of people to understand because they feel under pressure while playing and they can't abstract and just do their job! As a non-adc only player, mostly because of my in-game environment, no other reason, I dare say that people under stress lose their real judgement, and almost every game that classifies people into leagues shows it. Of course, the imago and the physical element in two parts… Is the hardware and internet connection capable of responding on time (This far exceeds even the gold league) The knowledge of what is required of you! I have demonstrated it with a purposely imposed lag of 200 milliseconds ;) I hope they learn something from you
i feel like the people making these posts are the same people that invade with no prio in their lanes and then complain and flame their laners for not rotating
Honestly you don't need prio to invade. I ignore it because a lot of the time people don't even help you even if you have prio and I'm in gold. Just keep track of the jungler
@@OverlordAshley i mean yea in gold you can probably get away with that very easily and find success. I’m talking about the most “optimal” way to play. Obv mileage varies from game to game but on average my point remains valid and in general the “correct play”
This is the best guide i have watched won straight 5 games with nocturne bronze lobby started playing last month. How to win low elo basically farm diff
i'll admit that in the games where you're team just ints (30% games) you're pretty much doomed. though 50% games you can get one guy to just camp. It's not exclusive to jungle, it's all roles
A lot of people including myself complain about climbing when they don't realize we're just bad at league. You have to go like 80-90% to climb up to platinum lol
I went 0-4 in 4 games in which i was like 14-3 as diana. Every game you have one lane that’s 0-10 at 15 minutes. Very very hard to carry yourself out but it’s doable
"all I'm doing is showing the fundamentals of 10k hours of perfect movement and perfect knowledge of jungle clear to maximize my health and clear speed that every bronze player will be completely unable to match, if you're stuck in bronze, just play for 10k hours, come on. And nobody ever invades any games ever, especially if you're hard focused on clear and they get kills because you're too slow at clearing unlike me! And all you have to do is focus on clear but also know how to gank perfectly and macro perfectly because every bronze player has 10k hours of playtime like me. Oh, and it's gold, so that completely invalidates all of my points anyway, but it's still completely true, just trust me and pay me money!" Like what dude.
Honestly this kinda dumb. .. " if you play for both scuttles and then do chickens and krugs, you should always be out cs'ing your enemy jungle and have 100% win rate." Lmfao like what? I regularly have to either fight for scuttle, or forgo them all together because my laners have no priority and enemy laners are collapsing on me... Over fucking scuttle. That's a bad sign... Because then you most likely have to start giving up grubs and dragons too. ... Are there plenty of games where I get full clear both scuttles and then a return run on chickens and krugs? Sure .. but then the same thing can end up just happening... Your team has no Lane priority and you start trying to get objectives and you go from being like 3/0/3 ... To 3/2/3 because enemy team is playing around objectives and your team simply isn't. .. they stay in lane 24/7 and aren't even out ca'ing the enemy team who is roaming. .. and I get it. You have to make the choice to give up objectives and just farm and hope that you scale and have some good team fights later... The point is when you do this the other team just continues to gain an advantage over the one they already have by winning their Lanes and you're sitting there struggling to even keep up with their level and CS. Sure you can come back from games like this sometimes. But to say that you should have a 100% win rate in bronze by doing basic plays is just patently false. The only way you are winning many games in bronze is if you play perfectly and then carry team fights around the enemies mistakes. ... Easier said than done. You have to figure out how your team is playing wrong and then try to predict the enemy's plays and exploit it. Even getting people to guard or Ward your topside jungle is a f****** 50/50 chance... And people regularly try to invade and steal your cs in bronze.
my own personal experience climbing on an account I leveled myself to 30 then hit ranked all the way up to plat only to fall back down to silver due to int feeding team mates, every role can carry, even enchanter support as long as one of your team mates do not int.
people forget: bronze is the pool of smurfs. therefore if one hasnt been higher than bronze its hard to recognize it and climb out. Climb only by performance.
play alone and play 100 games and u will see that if u lose a game now cuz they have smurfs over 100 games u will get more smurfs in your team and u will have a 55% winrate over those 100 games, same thing to 0/20 bot if u play they will also have it, just focus on your play and dont get mad and u will climb
they aren't smurfing they're as bad as you. I can have a 95% winrate with briar top (I main it and learned the match ups so ye) but fr most of them aren't good. Like I had a 40% winrate lee sin legit turbo smurf the game with 16/4 after 1 top while killing the enemy jungler. Most of his other games he hard ints but here he dove everyone on the map.
Trust me bro there are no smurfs in todays bronze. There is a thing called smurfqueue and it is extremely effective. Im like E2/E1 mmr player on Euw and I made a new account to try the mmr reset mechanic to climb faster and reach dia. Strictly through playing normals I was playing in eme-dia lobbies by level 10 💀
1 game doesn’t mean anything. People who are actually bronze can win bronze games because league isn’t going to let the algorithm let them lose every single game.
@@evanthegreatgamer4956 same lol. im gold 1 on my main. hopped into an old smurf that was in bronze and got to gold 5 on a role i dont usually play. im bad at the game, but for bronze all you need to do is autoattack hit your spells and braindead push sidelanes lmfao
just made it into emerald for the first time, but as support. there I usually accept, that a 0/8 toplane will loosing mid will loose me the game, because even a full team can kill a fed tham kench or similar tank. even if my ADC is 8/0 as well, its incredibly hard. but I can still win the other 8-9 games.
Meanwhile, Tarzaned in Challenger still complaining about Jungle being weak. Personal accountability is not something you ever really find in league players.
I escaped bronze quite a few times and it became super easy once I stopped letting my teammates dictate how I play. They spam ping so I'd go against my intuition, they flame me for not ganking unfavorable times so I force a gank etc... if you wanna get better u gotta get comfortable with your teammates flaming you
No, if you think about it logically, if you're better than the average player at your current rank, climbing out of low elo shouldn’t be too difficult. Sure, not every game is winnable, but the key is to improve your chances of winning by consistently playing better. Statistically, there’s an equal chance of someone feeding on your team or the enemy team. In fact, the odds are slightly higher that it’ll be someone on the enemy team, since they have 5 random players while your team only has 4 (assuming you're not the one feeding). So, focus on playing well, and you’ll climb. Stop blaming your teammates for feeding every game-that’s not why you’re stuck.
When WW and Yi are on level with other chars, then everyone else cries. My ranking in Iron keeps going down no matter how much I improve. After I've had a good game the match system rewards me with a special "regarded" team. Often I'm literally expected to carry 4 people. Many times it feels like I''m top or 2nd player on my team and lower skill than EVERY player on the other team. How can I climb like this.
People have screenshots of their team being on average 30% winrate for multiple games in a row. Tyler1 recently made a rant video where he joined lower queues and the team members were: mostly auto-filled, on losing streaks, intentionally sabotaging games to get allies to quit. Heck, I wasn't even in ranked, played an off-meta setup to get an ally to 4/1 by 5 minutes with a 6/1 lead in our lane and they rage-quit because we weren't doing exactly what 99% of players do... We had a multi-item lead with a taken tower advantage and the guy raged, proceeded to change roles mid-match (against the wishes of team members) and myself and at least one other team member were just left shaking our heads as we had spoonfed the person and they wasted all of it. Heck, I joined a match once where my bottom lane was 0/15/4 by 13 minutes in... The support pretty much wanted to take the guy's head off because they couldn't cover for a person who died almost every minute of gameplay...
I don't necessarily think Jungle is weak, or in a bad spot, but I do think it feels bad to play, or rather I should say demanding. It requires the most constant awareness of where you're needed and what you can get away with doing or not doing. And if your lanes refuse to rotate to help if you get invaded early, or to assist with objectives you just lose games. It's happened multiple times (mind, these were all on the same season of Ranked, all within about 2 months of one another when I tried to climb near the end of Season 11) where I take one kill from my ADC during a gank and they just mental boom and either AFK, start feeding, or follow me around the map to steal my camps. Multiple instances of this in a relatively short period. Demotivated me to play Ranked. Every role has its problems, but carrying as a Jungler feels *very* dependent on how well the rest of your team plays when compared to Mid or ADC
Sinerias, you are absolutely my favorite person in the League of Legends community. if it wasn't for your positivity and wisdom, I would have surely quit playing this game.
bro i just watched this video and didnt expect anythiing from it, i tought hmm.. imma try this that just farming thing and damm, my team were hard losing i was just farming and taking most obvious ganks. we won i got 277cs and enemy jg was 212cs. tysm for that video this helped me alot.
The hardest thing is not getting tilted by team mates blaming you because THEY lose their lane and it's your fault for not ganking, like bro there are 3 lanes and map objectives and I NEED to farm jungle to hit my items so that I can get to a point of carrying. Look after yourself for 10 minutes and if it's a bad matchup play it a bit more defensive I used to get tilted asf by getting constant flaming from salty team mates. I turned off chat and this one thing alone massively improved my performances because I could just focus on the game, on MY objectives and dipping into lanes based upon what I saw on the mini map. No more being annoyed by armchair commanders insisiting I focus on THEIR lane. This one thing alone literally moved me from hardstuck high silver/low gold to Diamond I can't stress enough how toxic chat is in this game for mental and you can say it doesn't matter but for some that mental tilt does weigh and does cause very poor performance. My own experience proves this true at least for myself.
Whenever im doing a climb from low elo, i only queue for JG, nothing else. I have wayy much more impact and carry potential playing JG than any other role
I was a long time bronze/silver player, Grand Master Challenger in season 3, but rest of the season i was stuck in bronze/silver, then this season i got placed in Emerald, no issue playing here, seems to me it was Bronze skill level to me, ofc there is a little more macro and more CS but people do the same mistake in plays and some people dont ward at all, now i am stuck here :) not getting younger and i am not delusional about my skill level, i am not young anymore.
IMO (jungle main here), jungle is the easiest role to climb up to plat/emerald with. You don't need to understand match ups so much. There isn't as much variability b/c you can PVE a lot and take the momentum of the game into your own hands. Unlike in laning where if you take one bad trade, you can be stuck under tower or at the mercy of your/enemy jungler. Just put together a list of what to do in sequence and literally just follow that list. You can learn to adapt it to situations later. This list will probably get you to around minute 14 when Rift Herald spawns. Then it isn't as set in stone. If you follow this list over and over and over (20 games?), you'll start to feel the rigidity of it and get a sense of when you can adapt. If you are going to prioritize ANYTHING, just farm your camps. Then, understand your champion. Following Sinerias advice, pick one champion. Spend time in practice tool with it. Want an extra challenge? Turn the setting on to hide UI, get comfortable with just your champion. Try to get a feel for when cooldowns are up without needing to look. Before you play any games each day, just spend 30 minutes in practice tool being creative. Maybe practice how fast you can clear starting at red or at blue. Maybe practice combos on a target dummy, doing the same combo five times, restarting the count if you mess it up. Do a combo slow, then do it fast. What happens if you wait a few moments in between each skill, can you chain together another combo? TL;DR - Build your instinct, then you won't have to think so much. The "steps" are easily copied from watching a pro like Sinerias. Stop thinking so hard. Build yourself guidelines.
Another tip: In practice tool, try to do your whole clear without looking (as much as possible). If you can accomplish this, then imagine how much you could be watching the minimap while you clear. Even if you don't take action to map info, you can: 1. danger ping for your teammates (who in bronze, definitely aren't looking at the map) 2. ping wards for your team 3. see where the enemy jungler is 4. build muscle memory b/c you aren't watching your champion all the time
I don't play jungle, but I 100% agree with what you are saying. There is a notion that "some accounts are just hardstuck" or "I'm in losers queue" or "if you take a high elo player, even they can't climb on my account." The bull crap and utter nonsense in that line of thinking is mind boggling. It's like these players are flailing on their backs in a pig pen claiming that they are stuck in quick sand. Take some accountability. Your teamates are not the reason you are in a specific elo. Focus on your gameplay because that is the only metric that you can reliably account for. Fundamentals, clearing/wave states, champ mastery, matchup understanding, win cons, ect, ALL of these are in your control. Some games you will win easily, aka your team just stomps. Some games you will lose easily, aka your team feeds. It's up to each player how they decide to respond. Pointing the finger at someone else or Riot as a whole is the weakest mindset and only perpetuates this mind virus that is plaguing the game. Sorry for the rant, but I'm tired of people not taking an ounce of responsibility in this game. It's easy to continue in the cycle of "my team is always bad, enemy team always is better." It's difficult to put the onus on yourself and be critical of your mistakes.
Fortunately this came is based off a lot of RNG in ranked and you do have teammates who completely waste your time. I can accept this and I can just keep doing what I have to do and going to next game but when I have a 54% winrate and my ADC or top has a 10% winrate I'm essentially down a teammate lol
@@TheGizmo360 Your team mates winrates don't matter. Every game you get 4 random team mates and 5 random enemies you are the only consistent factor in all your games. The outcome of any one game is entirely irrelevant to climbing you are playing for the long run so if you are consistently out preforming other people in your games you will climb over time it's that easy you just need to put in enough games.
@@darkcircle899 of course your teammates WR matter. Someone with a 50% win rate should not be partnered / in the same rank as someone with a 10% WR. The whole idea that you have to put in a certain amount of games to get your true rank is fucking bullshit and they do that to probably make you play more. The ranked system/ matchmaking should be better because that brings in way too much rng and creates an unfair advantage for the other team.
@@TheGizmo360 Nope wrong again! If someone has a 10% winrate and they're in your game that means they started higher than you are now so they're going back down. Also the "idea" of having to play more games isn't made by Riot it's a mathematical reality. You're sill is where you maintain a 50% winrate so if you have an over 50% winrate you are lower than you can be. In order to get to your equilibrium you have to climb and if you have just over a 50% winrate that will take a long time. if you have a 52% winrate in 100 games you're only positive 2 which is like 40LP so you have to put in hundreds or thousands of games to climb higher it's just math.
For those who are in iron, bronze or even silver and feel like they can't climb up you just go up and down I can offer this advice to possibly free you from this 'teams are bad' mindset. I've played the game for 12 years with large gaps in playing ranked so I've played all over the ranks (below diamond). I've at times for years been heavily involved in ranked, watching LCS and analyzing the game and other times where I only played casually and not even touch ranked for years. Haven't been in bronze much at all but when I was placed there I quickly climbed to silver. Think about your losses if you understand the game. Instead of blaming teammates who messed up or fell behind reflect about how the game went from early-late and ask yourself a couple questions. If the game was even or I was ahead, did I do enough to carry? Or if your team was behind 'was I one of the reasons we fell behind?' Try to identify the main reasons for the loss (I emphasize NOT WHO MADE the GAME LOSING PLAY I'm talking all mistakes throughout the whole game). Also, if you were late in the draft, did I pick a champion that synergized with our team comp? Its not as important as decision-making in-game however if you're last pick top and your team has jinx, soraka, master yi and zed, locking in yasuo instead of a tank and/or ap champ like rumble or malphite lowers your chance of winning the game right at the start because that comp is unbalanced and makes teamfights or late game in general difficult to win. If you take an honest look at your role in the lost game if you just went even and had an average impact on a close game you can't really complain at a loss even if one of your teammates made the game losing play. If you were the only one who got an early lead, did you snowball or throw away your lead needlessly? You should've been able to do more to bring your team into a winning position hence deserving to climb. And if you lost early game solo, made poor calls or plays that resulted in you or teammates dying or falling behind you definitely can't blame teammates for the loss. A common victim mentality are laners complaining that they are getting camped. Yes it is a mechanic of the game that can keep 1 player down; however if you know you're getting camped after the 2nd gank you can adapt your playstyle, play safe under turret and stop dying or at least make them dive for it. If you learn to play dives well you can even get kills on the enemy team which really puts them behind. If you feed the enemy jungler 4-5 kills from ganks and the enemy team snowballs off that, its mostly your fault. Its very hard for your jungler to keep up pressure when you're dying so often to the enemy jungler. It basically means the enemy team has to be as bad at surviving ganks as you are and they have to get 5 gank kills to compensate which doesn't often happen. I play a lot of jungle and I've had games where my team died to 3 ganks before even my first clear was done and the enemy jungler starts 2/0/1. It puts your jungler in a very bad position and its hard to take any ganks or objectives proactively after that since the other jungler and 1-2 lanes are ahead now. Remember, if you died to that many ganks early, you can't put all the blame on your jungler later in the game for being 'gapped' or out pressured, I see this all the time. If your team fed the enemy jungler by dying to practically every gank they tried in the early game its mostly your laners' fault, do not blame the jungler.
22:35 this is actually incorrect, according to riot matchmaking is based on performance, and i can tell you for sure that if you play on an account with super low winrate, bad mmr and horrible kdas, 2 cs a minute, you will get these games back to back 20 times in a row. you will notice the difference instantly as soon as you switch accounts, suddenly laners win on their own, when before it was literally impossible to get 1 winning/somewhat even lane. you can ofc fix every account, but its not true that this is super rare, it depends on the account you are playing on.
I agree with everything in this video but I will say this: just like there are games in higher elo that you cannot win bronze will have a few of those as well. 100% WR in bronze is impractical, of the ~25 games that you play in bronze you’ll have at least one where the adc or top lane refuses to play
brother, one thing u gotta know teach us well, what to do when we are getting invades all the time like the enemy voli clears ur jungle after an invasion and killing you, so whats next? u invade back? u go objectives? they are everywhere whats the plan there?
TIL that if you actually play with bronze teammates they wont be good enough to pull their heads out of the tilt. Most will just keep doubling down on being mad and feeding thus giving you no chance.
Ok so i tried this a couple of times, one game the enemy team surrendered at 15 mins, the next game i got fuckrd by a rammus but tbh i stopped doing my clears which is probably why, then i had another game where i was being perma invaded by a tryndamere and amumu i think they were duo, but i still managed to get 90 more cs than the amumu and more items so all in all this strategy can low-key work
Totally agree. For when you hit lvl 6 all your lanes are 0-2 or 3 And when you gank and help them win the lane. They just over extend till a- they die to tower b- enemy team come back and kill them.
22:49 thats actually not true maybe from my experience 3-5 of 10 games looks like this for me so almost half. Some games ill afk farm with what i feel to be clean farming but team really does lower odds. I switched over to top lane and carry potential is so much higher cause of the level advantage over the rest of the map.
I think my account has lower matchmaking cause of my honor level though from years ago i used to chat flame but now I play muted and am finally climbing. Should be gold very soon on the bad account. Ive been playing on a plat account that i bought and have a 50% winrate in 20 games on there and i find my teammates to be MUCH more useful and smarter overall and less games are troll in return making the games actually easier than silver from my experience
I struggle with teammates, that dont want to gank me, because I main a champ "that doesnt require skill", like yeah Darius is very easy to play or "Why did you pick first then?". Man everyones below 100 IQ in bronze, just saying build anti heal 2nd item is a pure insult.
Emerald is the elo where you need to decide if you really want to dedicate yourself to the game. Youre in the top 10% of players at that point according to league of graphs. You cant just auto pilot in Emerald you actually have to try really hard every game from then on cause now youre working on the nitty gritty minute details that separate the good players from the great and the "ive dedicaded my life to this game" players
You can't turn off your skills and knowledge. 1st Game - You warded Brand's Baron-side jungle, and then you warded Brand's Dragon-side jungle without explaining WHY you are doing it. If this is part of "fundamentals" you need to explain this. You made a simple gank just by pathing into the lane that you turned into a kill and burned the Brand's flash by capitalizing on the Brand's counter gank. You swapped to red trinket without commenting on WHY you swapped, and then started sweeping. Showed up mid-lane to pressure Akali to back off the wave. Didn't do anything, but, just walking in and pathing to your bot side camps relieves pressure. You steal Blue Buff because you know that Brand won't be there. 14:00 - "You get a kill here because it is the most obvious thing that could happen". WHY?! WHY IS IT THE MOST OBVIOUS THING THAT COULD HAPPEN? Is it because after you took Skuttle you checked bot side and saw the Renata and Smolder were overextended and the Renata had used her shield while Smolder was out of mana?
I started playing jungle like two years ago, and with all the changes I'm thinking about changing role again... I'm currently platinum and I feel like I don't have a huge impact on the game as I used to have back in the days. Yeah jungle is a very important role to play, many decisions to take, but sometimes I feel like it pays more off to became gigafed in lane, roam and snowball from there. Farming the jungle and hoping to get good ganks is not even satisfying.
You're still missing a lot of opportunities in Plat. Free dives, free kills, free invades, etc. If you don't enjoy jungle that's fine, but go play a role that you find fun and satisfying to learn, not a FOTM "broken" role.
this videos is not totally fair. Jungle has been buffed recently with the exp we are all getting since last week and some of those posts are from before the buff...so jungle was VERY behind a solo laner for a normal jungler...you are challenger so its no the same. This being said i like your video and you are totally right. thanks for sharing your knowledge sinerias. love you
I followed many tips, honed my skill over time. And after many months I escaped the clutches of bronze, into iron. I’m going to cry.
😂
from plat to Dia is impossible struggling 😂
real
0-1 bot lane death at 9 minutes it’s absolutely unheard of in bronze
it happens once in a blue moon, it's crazy
In my expirience there is 2 bronze. On my first acc in bronze i play champions to train - i have 40% winrate and i always have 0-20% winrates teammates vs 80% in enemy team. I keveled second acc and play only my main with 90% winrate. And every game i have teamates with 70-90% winrate vs 0-20% in enemy team
I decided to go play a few in bronze from mid lane. Cait Raka 0/12 combined at 14min.
@@drewferguson8324 just got out of one. 0-6 top lane 10 min 0-10 DRAVEN NAUT 12 min mid alkali started 2-0 ended 2-15
I have an emerald and bronze account. Games in bronze are legit 2-12 at 8 min bot laners 60% of the time lol
I was bronze .
I was mad .
I was stuck .
They told me to get good.
I played .
I still was hardstuck.
I took my favorite and best champion .
I only played him .
I limit tested every new match up to new what nonsense i could do in x match up to get a advantage and break their mental.
Now I'm no longer stuck in bronze .
I'm stuck in iron with a green tint to it 🙃.
if get good doesn't work. get bad. problem solved.
why do you play teemo jungle ?
lol same
I have done everything i could and i went from iron 1 to iron 2.
One of my last game withing 5 mins our mid 0/9. yes i know, let that sink in. And yes the enemy mid snowballed and decimated everyone.
i have done all of this but i'm still stuck in bronze (with a bronze tint to it of course)
You can say what you are doing is the most basic of things, but in reality, it is not. Coach Curtis realized this after his adventures in bronze as well. The things you auto-do because of your experience and level of normal play will have you stomp most bronze games. It's like having Usain Bolt run against high schoolers with one arm tied behind his back. That kind of handicap doesn't matter when there are so so so many more important things at play.
all that is important in this game is farm. It's really that simple
Kind of both are true. Pretty much all he was doing was farming and then wondering around until he sees an enemy totally out of position then kills them. Yeah he says all he is doing is pushing q and e but yeah he instantly kills everyone he runs across and that isn't because he is just pushing 2 buttons slowly its because he's challenger and of course will win pretty much any 1v1 even any 1v2 in bronze, probably kill both 1v2 worst case runs but doesn't die
I once had a friend tell me I couldn't climb his hardstuck bronze acc to gold. I'm a low plat jungler and it took me 2 days with a 85% winrate....
I'm not even that stuck in plat I just dont play as much. My average k/d is 13/6 in last 20 games and only 50% winrate, feeding teammates everywhere. I could claim I'm in losers queue but the reality is probably that I suck at closing out games where I have a lead, and if I improve there I probably climb way more consistent.
The problem is just that this guy sucks at Lee Sin, or at least isn't super impactful, and in order to be anywhere close to as effective as a Diana would be as Lee Sin you have to be 100x better at the game. He probably realizes he would climb faster as something other than lee sin, but likes playing Lee Sin.
@@tox_ph0b0s80 That's the thing though if your goal is to climb then you have to ditch hard characters like Lee Sin and learn the game and the role. If your goal is to learn Lee Sin then learn Lee Sin but don't complain about not climbing you have to do things that are in line what your goals are.
@@darkcircle899 The whole point of a coach is to help people with their personal aspirations.
Not to recommend fucking Diana. He's also a loser for proliferating this negative IQ dogshit to his community.
People should endure capital punishment for playing/recommending things like Diana.
the only scenario i would not condemn accoutn sharing/boosting. just to shut all those loserqueue copium sniffers up about how their account is rigged by riot with inters/smurfs/unfair matchmaking
a dimwit was actually so obliviously obtuse he loudly claimed in a chatroom of thousand viewers, that riot granting each team 50% chance to win, is proof of loser queue. how does someone say something so outlandishly foolish without feeling shame?
thank you for being a voice of reason in the midst of a deluded playerbase. much needed
@@GrammeStudio People are just in general allergic to personal accountability and that applies to video games as well. They want to find a reason that can be anything but them for why they're not reaching their goals.
Jungle is "weak" because the average League player's mental is weak and they don't know how to mute annoying team mates.
What? Be good at jungle and no one will ever flame you.
@@laurynassimonaitis80 nope, every fking lane think you should win their lane for them. I got flamed first day when I played jngler and now after 6 years still the same. mute is the way some players know the game but most fkers will flame u and they know they lost their lane solo but they still will use you as an excuse for their loss. "Jungle diff"
No role is weak you can climb with every role, every role does have its weakness but thats nit the reason people are stuck in bronze
@@laurynassimonaitis80wrong
Jungle is also "weak" because low elo junglers, instead of ganking early, and looking for an good opportunity to kill, will either afk farm and fall behind, or gank without paying any attention to wave state, hp bars & champ matchups and will instead gank a full hp malphite that is under turret
I think a lot of coaches take for granted that people will know how to play their champs. Farming doesn't matter if you don't know what to do with the gold or how to use your champ abilities.
Yeah, but if you don't know how your champ works, you're SUPPOSED to be in bronze, learning, instead of crying on reddit. That was his point.
More importantly than that, you have to know when you can trade with the enemy champs risk free. If you take a trade thinking it's safe but it's not, you die. And you have to know that across all 170 champions and across different gold / level / itemization states.
29:32 insanely funny bit
giving big "how the fuck is cyberbullying real just close your eyes" energy
best part is that it's true, if you're getting tilted on league for ANYTHING ELSE than playing bad yourself it's time to reconsider your mindset
how about no? how about you give your best while other ints and trolls and afks. u are forced to swallow it and it isnt tasty.
@@karlosliskovic so ? feed all you want, I'll collect the bounty
go AFK, I'll get compensation LP
flame me ? I don't have chat on
monk mental, nothing should faze you, only focus on getting better
@@karlosliskovic ADC Main here. If you flame me, I mute you. You're stuck in Gold with me. There is nothing you can say that will be good advice, because you're not a Level 30 Smurf. You're ALSO in Gold.
Lmao you cannot get mad when someone fucks up your games.
It’s literally a team game. You can get mad at your teammates. The problem which riot created is an environment that doesn’t care about winning
@@pandanym3065you get compensation lp for afks? I just get full lp losses
Something high elo player can forget is champion mastery is as important than fundementals. That way your champion interact with your maxro in the way
That's why he picked very simple champs to prove the point.
Diana is super easy, super strong and very good for SoloQ.
Few good examples for easy champs that are generally so easy to play that anyone can pick them up...
Diana, Warwick, Amumu, Xin Zhao, VI...
I wouldn't put Briar in that list, because that champ is actually harder than most people would think. Briar is pure macro. No mechanics. But heavy on the macro and micro.
@@Jetlef_B_Toast eh, diana being an assassin makes her not so easy
@@mysticflow467 Assassins literally have the most straight forward role in the game. Engage and kill as many as possible with your burst. That's it.
Of course some assassins require setup or positioning to execute their oneshots. But Diana takes literally no skill in that regard. We could talk about Zed, we could talk about Talon, but never in a hundred years would I tell you that Diana is hard. I am speaking from the perspective of a fairly high ranked player here and I do mostly play Assassin's. Like Talon and Diana.
Diana needs the bare minimum, that's why she's so good. You have less margin of error and she's a good champ, that's why she's really popular in boosting and high elo junglers. If you want to climb as a jungler, pick Diana.
@@Jetlef_B_Toast having a straight forward role doesn't mean they're easy, you still have to know who to go on and when to go in. assassins are typically squishy
eh whatever, diana is pretty easy, she's not on the level of a full tank amumu or garen though she's not "super easy"
@@mysticflow467 Yeah of course, but it's like saying support is super easy. It depends a lot on what champion you play, right? Every role can be easier or harder to play depending on the Champions ability to strive in that archetype of play-style.
Amazing as always. As low elo player myself when I lost drake, or die I just get mad on myself, forget which camps I just cleared, then I tilt myself even more I wasted my time, then sometimes I try to invade enemy camps on that side if they are empty I am mad, if I die while invading then I feel completely washed up. I don't know what and why I am doing this. The only thing that can help me to return focus is my teammate did some epic play won 1 vs 3, get triple kill, and my brain again started to work. Otherwise, I am lost. At 24:30 when you said even if you die it is fine death. I know how exactly how I feel. I would feel me as only one who have kills died, gave shutdown and I did not get objective. I just did not get it why is "good" to die there if that happens?
I guess dying there Is fine because he already got 5 grubs out of 6, he has Great lead on enemy jungler, and mainly because ksante Lost more than 1 wave worth of exp and Gold Just to go there and even if he gets the kill it's really not worth. Also Sinerias knows perfectly how to play and keep the lead even if he dies once or twice, because he has a challenger knowledge and a strong mindset which most of bronze players don't have, as you also said
The game was terrible, but the death would be fine because of the outcome -> 1death for 3 grubs and wave. In league you should always think like this
So basically why is that death fine is simple as he said he cleared all his camps, and tryed to fight for that objective while enemy toplane is losing whole wave of xp, even if sinerias dies there he doesn’t lose anything in tempo he anyways need to recall and get item after that void grubs and then just continue farming. Bad deaths are the onese where you die in early game and you didnt clear your camps.
Ty for replies guys. All of you
It's a fine death because of the following:
- He already ganked toplane and scored a kill
- He shoved the wave into the enemy tower, so the enemy top laner is losing farm (gold + xp)
- The enemy toplaner ignored the shoved wave and went in a straight line to score a kill, so he's losing way more farm than he should
- Amumu already had the grubs buff
A kill is only 300g, that's 3 waves worth. The wave he shoved into the tower was worth a little over 200g. The next wave that arrived was worth over 100g.
That's basically a kill worth of gold AND extra XP Ksante gave up because he wanted a kill. A kill doesn't grant you the same amount of XP that 3 minion waves does.
IF Ksante scored a kill, he would gain a bounty because Amumu had 4 kills in a row. He would gain way more gold that the shoved wave he ignored. However, a kill is never garanteed, there's only a chance you'll score a kill; farm, however, is always garanteed.
You only leave your lane when your wave is shoved, that occupies the enemy laner because he can't afford to lose farm. That applies for Recall, Objectives and Roaming.
When you shove your wave, you apply pressure. When you apply pressure, you can use that pressure to occupy your enemy and either score a kill on him (minions aggro on enemies if they attack you), take a turrent plate (minions under turret allows you to do more damage and they also apply damage) or leave your lane to do whatever.
All in all, it's almost never a good idea to leave your lane when you have a shoved enemy wave.
Thank you so much Sinerias. Please release more content like this! I also want to conquer like you.
I've climbed to plat recently for the first time on a jungle only account and the biggest thing that junglers (and pretty much any player) in low elo mess up is not knowing how to build a tempo advantage over the enemy and take what is guaranteed to create an advantage. Every bronze stuck player is not doing 3 key things: 1)Getting players better than them to review their game play 2) Watching and and learning from watching better players to mimic what they do well 3) Creating learning plans for themselves to consciously improve something specific
Yes, in bronze the team mates are usually horrible, but the enemy players are also just as horrible. Put a Plat jungler in a bronze game and they will carry 9/10 times when with the worst team mates. To really optimize the win percentage, playing carry junglers that can 1v5 the enemy team when they are ahead like Belveth, Brand, Nocturn, etc. If you want to climb, playing champs that don't need your team mates to also be winning is really helpful.
Also, stop playing random champions every other game. Pick like 2 or 3 and never play anything else until you've mastered them. That way you'll know the champions and match ups really well and can spend more time thinking about how to win the game instead of what the champion does. I've seen so many people randomly pick some champ they haven't played in 9 months in ranked just because they see it's the best "counterpick" only to run it down because they have no idea what they are doing. Stick to what you know and you'll be much more consistent, and consistency is what climbing in ranked is all about.
Despite what half the comments say I have dealt with these same issues however I watched this video and gave it a shot along with watching some other videos. I went from stuck in iron 4 with a 40% win rate to bronze 4 in a matter of days with a 82% win rate. Thank you for your videos you’re a great teacher
Wonderful video! Thank you so much Sinerias
THIS IS HANDS DOWN THE BEST EDUCATIONAL CHANNEL FOR JGLERS. I kid you not now when im telling i climbed since split 2 started from b3 to plat. This is less than 1 month now. Before watching sinerias i was stuck between gold and silver, split 2 started in b3 cause i did mistakes and my team lost lanes 3 games in a row, and i hard carried since then. OFC, not every game, but most of games i could do 1v9, im now p4, 55% winrate and the journey just begun. I know p4 is not high elo, but i can clearly see ppl playing macro way better , same thing i can say about gold, and this makes my games way more easier cause they actually rotate, ping summs, ping enemy missing and game is actually enjoyable when teammates play the game.
worth to mention: im a former master 4 player but since master have been introduced i havent played consistently lol for some years (i ve played like 1-2 weeks ranked, one or two or more months break) and i woke up rusty and in a game with a new map, new camps, new champs, etc. So im considering now myself new to the game, needing to relearn stuff, and capitalize on the fundamentals cause this is how u climb in jungle, anything but fundamentals are pointless if u wanna escape low elo, being otp but with 0 fundamentals (when to gank, when to split, when to retreat, when to objective etc.) will keep u hardstuck, for exemple, cause if u can secure a lead (by playing mechanical perfect) but lose it as fast as u secured because low macro knowledge., u lose. Yeah, u wont have 100% wr even with applied fundamentals cause u lack some mechanical skills or have laners that went 0/10 for no reason, but i can tell u will win more game then u will lose and therefore u climb.
Brother you were master at 1 points. Stfu lol
@@jansentrichas8635 dosent change the fact fundamentals are esential for climbing. Also i was master when it was introuced this means 2014-2015 If i remember well. Call me diamond then idgaf about it, is still high elo (back then and even now, by statistics).What i was saying and what sinerias teaching is how u climb. Also pls...bring an argument??? Tell me to stfu for what? U stuck bronze and mad or u are another shitty elitist that thinks everyone below his rank is high elo ? Lol poor guy
@@franktv8907 dude you're bragging about climbing to plat when you were masters before. the guy's right.
@@luciofilipe im bragging about the fact i climbed after i didnt play for SOME YEARS this game. This mean i forgot a lot of stuff... And had to relearn. wtf dude. Some of You love to read whatever justifiy your scenarios.
As someone who was stuck in iron/bronze for 3 seasons and who recently promoted to emerald, I can confidently say that this advice will absolutely get you out of bronze.
All you have to do in bronze is play 1-2 champs (preferably full clear champs), focus on your clear/optimizing your speed and don’t overplay on ganks.
That’s literally it. Don’t force plays. Focus on your clear every base/clear the same way every game/optimize your clear and gank on the way or at the end of your clear.
You will lose some games sure. But you will absolutely win more than you lose.
The reveal of the elo at the end of the video is insane. You actually are an amazing teacher! Thank you for all your educational content you’re the GOAT of jungle coaching
31:40
Took me a while to figure out that the laning phase isn't that important, and that if you have good vision and map awareness mid game, you can turn a losing laning phase into a stomp if you choose good fights.
I wanted to come back from my previous comment and say this. Today I tried exactly what is shown on the video with xin as my champ and the games are far easier. Honestly i am stoned from this. It really works. Ty man
In a usual game
9:10 bear is pushing like no tommorrow. He gets ganged by brand and flames.
10:30 sylas ky in tower you dont get assist, he dies. Flames you
11:00 your bot dies, both of them. They flame you.
12:30 you try take voidgrubs and you are getting ganged by fed top and middlane. You die. At the same time brand gets free dragon
My point is that you can teach in a game where you win 3-2. How about 4-0?
i went from being hardstuck silver for seasons to emerald 1/d4 in 2 seasons, all I did was watch my own vods and informative channels like this, did it on jng currently at plat 2 with 74 percent wr on my main from watching alois. also you need to drop ego and realize you know nothing, helps alot but most people like to complain instead of work hard, same with the gym, no matter how much I tell ppl its just consistency and basics they dont believe it.
I would say you improved, but not as much as you think
if you did it in these recent seasons, once emerald was added everyone and their mom went from gold to emerald without improving
you're still super low elo though.
@@BPFACTS88 🤓
The plot was crazy xD gg wp didnt saw that comming
I have 2 accounts on KR, main is Gold 2 with a winrate of betweenn 60-70% with Yi main. Second account with at 40% win rate on bronze 2. I think the biggest issue, is NOT that we don't know how to play. The biggest issue is when we know what the "correct" thing to do is, however 3 or 4 of our team mates do not, and they hard feed from the early early game. If you're clearing your path towards top, and you ping your teammates that enemy jungler is going to gank them, and they ignore you with less than 5% HP left and their line is already pushing into the enemy tower with absolutely no reason to be in lane anymore, and they continue to feed enemy bot lane (who will be a heavy CC comp) and/or jungler, and your OTHER lanes are doing the same stupid things to go 0-4 within the first 5-6 minutes, then it becomes nearly impossible.
In silver or gold elo, I will have at least 1 or 2 people that will play with me, and that's when I can force carry games. But with 4 braindead people, that's when it truly starts getting frustrating and you ponder your life choices, and wonder why you're wasting brain cells playing this cancer of a game.
At 8:11 you mention numbers advantage. There's something about Korean bronze players where they will ALWAYS 1v2 when they are losing, but as soon as your team groups up and YOU have a numbers advantage, they stay back and do not use any skills. It's a very, very strange phenomena, and it blows my mind.
16:34 - This has got to be the best performing bronze team I've EVER seen, something that I can only experience once in every 30 or 40 games in bronze. Gold elo is so much more fair and evenly matched.
Just got back from a bronze game. Bot team threw the whole game, then force ff'ed because I wouldn't gank their lane when their HP was at below 25%, with enemy comp being hard CC support and super fed Caitlyn lol.
you are making MAD excuses.
I'm emerald and except if teammates farm my jungle consistantly before 20mn or 2 of them disconnect, I don't think I can lose a single bronze or silver game. But it's a hard elo to pass as it's the elo where you litterally start. Meaning that when you do something wrong, it's really hard to understand what you do wrong + people don't watch replay, to compare with what you do Sinerias and realise that no, they didn't finish their 2nd and 3rd full clear but roam around, waste time xp and gold.
Bronze is all about full clearing
I’m in diamond to low masters and I don’t see a difference between gold and emerald. Started silver with a new account and games are literally harder than on my D4 account.
Maybe it’s Smurf queue but they play just like emeralds
@@yournemesis192 careful with the split, a lot of plat, emerald are still silver/gold at the moment. This 2nd split is weird but if you check your opponent/allies, most of them will have been plat/emerald on previous split/season
Man. I love your commentary. I needed this video too. Thank you man.
Insane video! Well done i sended it to a couple of friends allways coping their team lose their games xd
jungle is the strongest it has ever been in my opinion. The reason is the xp buff to camps, it is preaty easy to keep the same level as the solo laners and the one and a half minute earlier level 6 feels real good
I think especially right now just full clearing is insane, if low elo players grasp things like jungle tracking and taking enemy camps you will 100% just climb to emerald low without being very proactive (in terms of ganking a lot and capitalizing on summs, ults etc)
Title should be "I played a single bronze game so i know the bronze experience better than you"
There’s not much to 'know about the bronze experience.' It’s just an elo for new or less experienced players. That’s all there is to it.
@@pennywiseS-l5b The issue is that one game is not a representative sample. There are so many games in which your team doesn't care about objectives, defending towers, and placing or clearing vision, but the enemy team does. And then the enemy team will get lane advantage and vision advantage across the map and invade your camps. You won't get objectives and can't get farm either. And these types of games are not rare.
@@Yutani_Crayven Sure, that's true, but there's a 50/50 chance of getting a better or worse team. You might get unlucky and end up in a 'losers' queue,' but in the long run, if you play consistently better, you'll climb. It's just simple statistics.
Getting stuck in bronze is a case of a dog chasing its own tail. You won't learn from randomised outcomes (in Bronze people don't make good decisions and don't execute well). Focusing on 1vs9 is a means to an end. Once you reach a rating at which people start to make good decisions and execute decently, then you can begin to learn from teamplay. What that rating is exactly depends on the individual.
My biggest gripe with low elo as a jungler is even when my lanes have priority. They don't help take objectives or in fights in the river. It's really irritating.
it's actually much harder to do this player vs. monster thing, I tried a few times in the practice tool and always come out a few seconds later then you do it.
after playing top for 10+ years and playing some jgl recently (not in bronze, but emerald so idk if its different) it feels like i have 200 times more agency over the course of the game. Toplane is like watching a game compared to jungle for real. Jgl is definitely the most efficient role to climb by far (maybe aside from support but only dia+)
I used to think it was impossible too. I climbed out of bronze and now im struggling in silver 4 - 3. Is wot it is just keep playing.
While I agree with pretty much everything said here, I would like to criticize the method of presentation: The ONLY way to experimentally back up that this is a reliable method to climb out of bronze is to play this way for a statistically significant number of games IN BRONZE and then show the results. I understand (and appreciate) why you don't wanna do that, but showing a gold game doesn't prove your point. And here's why:
The number one argument I see in the posts you mention is "The things I get told by high elo players don't work. The things that win Gold games don't win Bronze games". This is an insidious statement because it's not entirely wrong, just a massively loaded half-truth. Things that make a difference in gold / plat do not make a difference in Bronze, because the things that make the biggest difference in Bronze are mostly nailed down by higher rank players and therefore fade from view as you go up in rank.
Another issue is that your mechanics and in-fight decision making (a.k.a. autopilot) are leagues (hehe) better than that of the person you are addressing. A Bronze player in that Diana game might well have died in that mid 2v2 (e.g. by tanking an extra tower shot, walking into a stun, switching focus at a wrong point), then gotten mad at Sylas for "not following properly". One of the reasons the mentality you present is so great is that it allows anyone to really focus on themselves. It would be great if you at least mentioned that explicitly (you implicitly addressed it when you mentioned that you expect to win every single game this way, while others should expect to be in a winning position 70% of the time).
I work in the natural sciences. A really important point that we get hammered into our brains time and time again is that when you try to collect experimental evidence you have to make damn sure that your experiment actually validates your prediction. Gold is not Bronze. And one game is not a representative sample.
It also doesn't help that the match you are showing is - for lack of better words - a rather tame one. There is no fighting between teammates, nobody (on either side) is feeding their asses off, there was no lopsided poorly executed level 1 bullshit in either jungle, no raging teammates taking entire quadrants in the mid-game, no support sitting in top lane from level 5 on leaving their ADC to rot while simultaneously putting top behind in levels, etc pp.
I get the spirit of these videos, I really do. However, there is little point to them unless they present actual solid experimental evidence. Which means in this case: Get a hardstuck Bronze 3 or 4 account and actually push it to silver, then show a representative set of matches with an explanation how they were selected.
You are absolutely wrong. I started playing league 2 weeks ago and I have climbed to silver after watching this video. Before watching this video I was in iron, about 70% winrate since watching this video. The CS lead you get is too good not to win. Every single game I have double or more than double of the cs that the enemy jungler has. I win every fight in the early game due to this.
@@proxyae0 Great that it worked for you. Still doesn't adress the point that a lot of hardstuck players make.
@@proxyae0 You forgot to read that part of the post where I said the arguments are right but the evidence presented is not (so, basically, the entire post).
True bud. Not to mention, low elo players tend to still tilt at their last game and bring it to their current game.
Sinerias I love how you make things simple, I'm a toplaner, I watch you not only to learn a bit of jungle, but also to learn to play around my jungler, and help him get ahead instead of spamming jungle Diff 😅
the thumbnail is spot on xDDD
Only have party chat available from settings. So you dont have to mute all all games.
Much like chess, tempo and positioning are more important than taking pieces. Farm > objectives > turrets >kills - there is variance, however and you will get rng’d.
The goat thanks for the coaching!
This is my first season jungling. I left placements in gold. I am LOST on how people are in bronze. All I do is farm and get objectives. I end almost every game 100+ CS above the other jungler, 6 grubs and dragon soul. Its so gratifying to see someone higher ranked than me preaching my philosophy.
Your lost on how your team can leave you to solo all those objectives you're supposedly always getting? Cause as jg I can outlevel/cs my opponent no problem. I can't stop my teammates from throwing the other team catch up gold over and over while being dead and losing map pressure/vision. I love these comments. *I got to win my matches and climb, why can't everyone?* Yeah, imagine if everyone was allowed this level of success. A sample size of even 50-100 matches in bronze would barely scratch the surface of what people are dealing with. And since we know streamers for any game get better luck/results in their gameplay to keep it interesting....well.. I'll just say the teams I get aren't what you were given buddy. It wants me to carry WAY harder than this.
What I've learned in bronze is full insecurity, you will have full counters lose lane, absolutely no vision and then random cracked vision on the lane u have prior in its just a complete roll of the dice.
"Basic stuff" then proceeds to say, "I noticed he used his Q and that's why I turn" lmao. A lot of bronze play locked screen or once focused on an obj they don't look back to where they just were.
just saw this video, can confirm even though im a top laner, if you mute and JUST focus on fundamentals like CS, properly helping team and where to go if your team is inting, youll climb much faster.
this looks a lot like a certain Couch Curtis's thumbnail and video title.....
It's always easier to climb when your rank is much higher than the rank you're playing at. Some roles and champs might really be hard for people worth only 1 league above.
15:40 When your team is full griefing, which happens all the damn time in this elo, you don't get void grubs and you don't get dragons. The enemy team moves, your team does not. Yes, statistics should even that out, but that's not how it works for some godforsaken reason. How do you win games in which the enemy team has better objective focus, including pushing and defending towers, than your team does?
What do you do when they keep invading your camps afterward, because they place wards and have lane advantage, and your team doesn't care about vision?
22:45 this happens pretty often. People then flame and spam "just ff".
i appreciate your content, so id like to give some input that may help you grow. to say something is easy can be demeaning. its kinda like well you should obviously already know x y z. i want to mention many things u do in ths is not 'easy'. just atching ur first gank in 1, ur movement is built on hundreds of hours of practice. u dont walk into tower, u know when and why to turn. u bait out their abilities etc. there was a lot you did there the average bronze wouldnt know. i agree with idea to simplify it , go scuttle to scuttle but what ur doing is skilled even if you're trying to simplify it. i saw this in another video too and thought it was worth bringing up. ill be watching more stuff, thanks again for it!
This comment section is so cringe. The only reason you can't climb out of bronze is because you belong there. You're bad. It's really that simple, cope more and stay bad.
Muting chat is an absolute must. You will still get hard flamed even of you are playing absolutely perfect. Low elo players are a different breed
13:57 Soraka inting and letting Renata live was hilariously bronze
Genuine question. Highest i ever hit was Gold at one point, and I stopped playing ranked a while ago. What do you do in the lower ELOs when you're relatively consistently winning lane, but almost every other lane is losing? For instance, last game I played I was doing pretty fine. Something like 2/1 with 70 cs at like 9 minutes. Top lane died 2 or 3 times before I ever even did my first clear. Bot lane died twice before 4 minutes. Top ended the game like 1/10 with an absurdly low cs value and no complete item, and bot ended like 6/12. I can generate an advantage, but I can't consistently generate enough of an advantage to combat an early fed carry. What do?
Edit for clarity: 90% of the like 12 kills the top and bot had were solo, no jungler.
Play for numbers advantage and punishing enemy mistakes. That's about it
I'll put it this way: The most misunderstood hero in the iron, bronze, even silver league is Karthus... Always accused of not actively engaging in fights, just because he clears his jungle...
And at the same time is one of the top banvans in the higher leagues.
Before Kartus was recognized as a jungler, I loved playing him there and if I was allowed mid. This is my main mid character.
But... Those basic things you showed, it's really hard for a lot of people to understand because they feel under pressure while playing and they can't abstract and just do their job!
As a non-adc only player, mostly because of my in-game environment, no other reason, I dare say that people under stress lose their real judgement, and almost every game that classifies people into leagues shows it.
Of course, the imago and the physical element in two parts…
Is the hardware and internet connection capable of responding on time (This far exceeds even the gold league)
The knowledge of what is required of you! I have demonstrated it with a purposely imposed lag of 200 milliseconds ;)
I hope they learn something from you
i feel like the people making these posts are the same people that invade with no prio in their lanes and then complain and flame their laners for not rotating
Honestly you don't need prio to invade. I ignore it because a lot of the time people don't even help you even if you have prio and I'm in gold. Just keep track of the jungler
@@OverlordAshley i mean yea in gold you can probably get away with that very easily and find success. I’m talking about the most “optimal” way to play. Obv mileage varies from game to game but on average my point remains valid and in general the “correct play”
This is the best guide i have watched won straight 5 games with nocturne bronze lobby started playing last month.
How to win low elo basically farm diff
i'll admit that in the games where you're team just ints (30% games) you're pretty much doomed. though 50% games you can get one guy to just camp. It's not exclusive to jungle, it's all roles
If no one tilted and left the game, it wasnt bronze.
A lot of people including myself complain about climbing when they don't realize we're just bad at league. You have to go like 80-90% to climb up to platinum lol
u can go 55% and go up to platinum even 51% it depends how long it will take and from how far u are climbing
Thank you! This video helped me get my priorities straight while jungling
+ you are so right to fight the... 1v9 ridiculous mentality that is : if you can't 1v5 you loose.
No, no, you loose if you play alone and try to 1v5.
Lol you have the exact same title as Coach Curtis' video. Maybe you go into why but I just found that funny.
I went 0-4 in 4 games in which i was like 14-3 as diana. Every game you have one lane that’s 0-10 at 15 minutes. Very very hard to carry yourself out but it’s doable
"all I'm doing is showing the fundamentals of 10k hours of perfect movement and perfect knowledge of jungle clear to maximize my health and clear speed that every bronze player will be completely unable to match, if you're stuck in bronze, just play for 10k hours, come on. And nobody ever invades any games ever, especially if you're hard focused on clear and they get kills because you're too slow at clearing unlike me! And all you have to do is focus on clear but also know how to gank perfectly and macro perfectly because every bronze player has 10k hours of playtime like me. Oh, and it's gold, so that completely invalidates all of my points anyway, but it's still completely true, just trust me and pay me money!"
Like what dude.
"I played 1 game in bronze" lmfao.
Honestly this kinda dumb. .. " if you play for both scuttles and then do chickens and krugs, you should always be out cs'ing your enemy jungle and have 100% win rate." Lmfao like what? I regularly have to either fight for scuttle, or forgo them all together because my laners have no priority and enemy laners are collapsing on me... Over fucking scuttle. That's a bad sign... Because then you most likely have to start giving up grubs and dragons too. ... Are there plenty of games where I get full clear both scuttles and then a return run on chickens and krugs? Sure .. but then the same thing can end up just happening... Your team has no Lane priority and you start trying to get objectives and you go from being like 3/0/3 ... To 3/2/3 because enemy team is playing around objectives and your team simply isn't. .. they stay in lane 24/7 and aren't even out ca'ing the enemy team who is roaming. .. and I get it. You have to make the choice to give up objectives and just farm and hope that you scale and have some good team fights later... The point is when you do this the other team just continues to gain an advantage over the one they already have by winning their Lanes and you're sitting there struggling to even keep up with their level and CS. Sure you can come back from games like this sometimes. But to say that you should have a 100% win rate in bronze by doing basic plays is just patently false. The only way you are winning many games in bronze is if you play perfectly and then carry team fights around the enemies mistakes. ... Easier said than done. You have to figure out how your team is playing wrong and then try to predict the enemy's plays and exploit it.
Even getting people to guard or Ward your topside jungle is a f****** 50/50 chance... And people regularly try to invade and steal your cs in bronze.
my own personal experience climbing on an account I leveled myself to 30 then hit ranked all the way up to plat only to fall back down to silver due to int feeding team mates, every role can carry, even enchanter support as long as one of your team mates do not int.
people forget: bronze is the pool of smurfs. therefore if one hasnt been higher than bronze its hard to recognize it and climb out. Climb only by performance.
it is not the pool of smurfs
play alone and play 100 games and u will see that if u lose a game now cuz they have smurfs over 100 games u will get more smurfs in your team and u will have a 55% winrate over those 100 games, same thing to 0/20 bot if u play they will also have it, just focus on your play and dont get mad and u will climb
they aren't smurfing they're as bad as you. I can have a 95% winrate with briar top (I main it and learned the match ups so ye) but fr most of them aren't good. Like I had a 40% winrate lee sin legit turbo smurf the game with 16/4 after 1 top while killing the enemy jungler. Most of his other games he hard ints but here he dove everyone on the map.
Nah all of you mfs just bronze.
Trust me bro there are no smurfs in todays bronze. There is a thing called smurfqueue and it is extremely effective. Im like E2/E1 mmr player on Euw and I made a new account to try the mmr reset mechanic to climb faster and reach dia. Strictly through playing normals I was playing in eme-dia lobbies by level 10 💀
1 game doesn’t mean anything. People who are actually bronze can win bronze games because league isn’t going to let the algorithm let them lose every single game.
Dude it's copium. I can hop into bronze and get gold in a day and I'm only emerald.
@@evanthegreatgamer4956 same lol. im gold 1 on my main. hopped into an old smurf that was in bronze and got to gold 5 on a role i dont usually play. im bad at the game, but for bronze all you need to do is autoattack hit your spells and braindead push sidelanes lmfao
just made it into emerald for the first time, but as support. there I usually accept, that a 0/8 toplane will loosing mid will loose me the game, because even a full team can kill a fed tham kench or similar tank. even if my ADC is 8/0 as well, its incredibly hard. but I can still win the other 8-9 games.
Teaching junglers to ignore calls and early game bad matchups... Have fun getting stuck in silver instead of bronze.
if u are able to full clear u can do the next step to get better
Anyone lower than emerald doesnt have the right to be listened to
jungle should mute all and gank what he sees best
Meanwhile, Tarzaned in Challenger still complaining about Jungle being weak. Personal accountability is not something you ever really find in league players.
I escaped bronze quite a few times and it became super easy once I stopped letting my teammates dictate how I play. They spam ping so I'd go against my intuition, they flame me for not ganking unfavorable times so I force a gank etc... if you wanna get better u gotta get comfortable with your teammates flaming you
13:55 This hurt to watch lol.
yes he should maybe say "dont take the full wave unless you are rank1 chall and play in bronze" idk I am getting aids
@@MakZkovich Nah, it was the soraka walking back in and saving the renata lol.
@@Atomic4now wait how blind am I AHHAHA
naaaaah, but what about those games where all 3 lanes are 0/5 by 6 mins, those games happen all the time for me
No, if you think about it logically, if you're better than the average player at your current rank, climbing out of low elo shouldn’t be too difficult. Sure, not every game is winnable, but the key is to improve your chances of winning by consistently playing better. Statistically, there’s an equal chance of someone feeding on your team or the enemy team. In fact, the odds are slightly higher that it’ll be someone on the enemy team, since they have 5 random players while your team only has 4 (assuming you're not the one feeding). So, focus on playing well, and you’ll climb. Stop blaming your teammates for feeding every game-that’s not why you’re stuck.
When WW and Yi are on level with other chars, then everyone else cries. My ranking in Iron keeps going down no matter how much I improve. After I've had a good game the match system rewards me with a special "regarded" team. Often I'm literally expected to carry 4 people. Many times it feels like I''m top or 2nd player on my team and lower skill than EVERY player on the other team. How can I climb like this.
''i am bronze because of my team mates'' OMEGALUL
or the best ''every game enemy team has smurf'' XD
People have screenshots of their team being on average 30% winrate for multiple games in a row. Tyler1 recently made a rant video where he joined lower queues and the team members were: mostly auto-filled, on losing streaks, intentionally sabotaging games to get allies to quit. Heck, I wasn't even in ranked, played an off-meta setup to get an ally to 4/1 by 5 minutes with a 6/1 lead in our lane and they rage-quit because we weren't doing exactly what 99% of players do... We had a multi-item lead with a taken tower advantage and the guy raged, proceeded to change roles mid-match (against the wishes of team members) and myself and at least one other team member were just left shaking our heads as we had spoonfed the person and they wasted all of it. Heck, I joined a match once where my bottom lane was 0/15/4 by 13 minutes in... The support pretty much wanted to take the guy's head off because they couldn't cover for a person who died almost every minute of gameplay...
I don't necessarily think Jungle is weak, or in a bad spot, but I do think it feels bad to play, or rather I should say demanding. It requires the most constant awareness of where you're needed and what you can get away with doing or not doing. And if your lanes refuse to rotate to help if you get invaded early, or to assist with objectives you just lose games.
It's happened multiple times (mind, these were all on the same season of Ranked, all within about 2 months of one another when I tried to climb near the end of Season 11) where I take one kill from my ADC during a gank and they just mental boom and either AFK, start feeding, or follow me around the map to steal my camps. Multiple instances of this in a relatively short period. Demotivated me to play Ranked.
Every role has its problems, but carrying as a Jungler feels *very* dependent on how well the rest of your team plays when compared to Mid or ADC
Sinerias, you are absolutely my favorite person in the League of Legends community. if it wasn't for your positivity and wisdom, I would have surely quit playing this game.
bro i just watched this video and didnt expect anythiing from it, i tought hmm.. imma try this that just farming thing and damm, my team were hard losing i was just farming and taking most obvious ganks. we won i got 277cs and enemy jg was 212cs. tysm for that video this helped me alot.
and + i got s+ in that game :)
The hardest thing is not getting tilted by team mates blaming you because THEY lose their lane and it's your fault for not ganking, like bro there are 3 lanes and map objectives and I NEED to farm jungle to hit my items so that I can get to a point of carrying. Look after yourself for 10 minutes and if it's a bad matchup play it a bit more defensive
I used to get tilted asf by getting constant flaming from salty team mates. I turned off chat and this one thing alone massively improved my performances because I could just focus on the game, on MY objectives and dipping into lanes based upon what I saw on the mini map. No more being annoyed by armchair commanders insisiting I focus on THEIR lane.
This one thing alone literally moved me from hardstuck high silver/low gold to Diamond
I can't stress enough how toxic chat is in this game for mental and you can say it doesn't matter but for some that mental tilt does weigh and does cause very poor performance. My own experience proves this true at least for myself.
Wait you’re both entertaining and informational. Lovely sinerias ❤
Whenever im doing a climb from low elo, i only queue for JG, nothing else. I have wayy much more impact and carry potential playing JG than any other role
I was a long time bronze/silver player, Grand Master Challenger in season 3, but rest of the season i was stuck in bronze/silver, then this season i got placed in Emerald, no issue playing here, seems to me it was Bronze skill level to me, ofc there is a little more macro and more CS but people do the same mistake in plays and some people dont ward at all, now i am stuck here :) not getting younger and i am not delusional about my skill level, i am not young anymore.
IMO (jungle main here), jungle is the easiest role to climb up to plat/emerald with.
You don't need to understand match ups so much. There isn't as much variability b/c you can PVE a lot and take the momentum of the game into your own hands. Unlike in laning where if you take one bad trade, you can be stuck under tower or at the mercy of your/enemy jungler.
Just put together a list of what to do in sequence and literally just follow that list. You can learn to adapt it to situations later.
This list will probably get you to around minute 14 when Rift Herald spawns. Then it isn't as set in stone.
If you follow this list over and over and over (20 games?), you'll start to feel the rigidity of it and get a sense of when you can adapt.
If you are going to prioritize ANYTHING, just farm your camps.
Then, understand your champion. Following Sinerias advice, pick one champion. Spend time in practice tool with it.
Want an extra challenge? Turn the setting on to hide UI, get comfortable with just your champion. Try to get a feel for when cooldowns are up
without needing to look.
Before you play any games each day, just spend 30 minutes in practice tool being creative. Maybe practice how fast you can clear starting at red or at blue.
Maybe practice combos on a target dummy, doing the same combo five times, restarting the count if you mess it up.
Do a combo slow, then do it fast. What happens if you wait a few moments in between each skill, can you chain together another combo?
TL;DR - Build your instinct, then you won't have to think so much. The "steps" are easily copied from watching a pro like Sinerias. Stop thinking so hard. Build yourself guidelines.
Another tip: In practice tool, try to do your whole clear without looking (as much as possible). If you can accomplish this, then imagine how much you could be watching the minimap while you clear.
Even if you don't take action to map info, you can:
1. danger ping for your teammates (who in bronze, definitely aren't looking at the map)
2. ping wards for your team
3. see where the enemy jungler is
4. build muscle memory b/c you aren't watching your champion all the time
Playing PVE when the enemy toplaner is at your T3 with 2lvl lead, genius
@@SeafightLeRoiTitanthat happens in a minority of games
I don't play jungle, but I 100% agree with what you are saying. There is a notion that "some accounts are just hardstuck" or "I'm in losers queue" or "if you take a high elo player, even they can't climb on my account." The bull crap and utter nonsense in that line of thinking is mind boggling. It's like these players are flailing on their backs in a pig pen claiming that they are stuck in quick sand. Take some accountability. Your teamates are not the reason you are in a specific elo. Focus on your gameplay because that is the only metric that you can reliably account for. Fundamentals, clearing/wave states, champ mastery, matchup understanding, win cons, ect, ALL of these are in your control. Some games you will win easily, aka your team just stomps. Some games you will lose easily, aka your team feeds. It's up to each player how they decide to respond. Pointing the finger at someone else or Riot as a whole is the weakest mindset and only perpetuates this mind virus that is plaguing the game. Sorry for the rant, but I'm tired of people not taking an ounce of responsibility in this game. It's easy to continue in the cycle of "my team is always bad, enemy team always is better." It's difficult to put the onus on yourself and be critical of your mistakes.
Fortunately this came is based off a lot of RNG in ranked and you do have teammates who completely waste your time. I can accept this and I can just keep doing what I have to do and going to next game but when I have a 54% winrate and my ADC or top has a 10% winrate I'm essentially down a teammate lol
@@TheGizmo360 Your team mates winrates don't matter. Every game you get 4 random team mates and 5 random enemies you are the only consistent factor in all your games. The outcome of any one game is entirely irrelevant to climbing you are playing for the long run so if you are consistently out preforming other people in your games you will climb over time it's that easy you just need to put in enough games.
very well said
@@darkcircle899 of course your teammates WR matter. Someone with a 50% win rate should not be partnered / in the same rank as someone with a 10% WR. The whole idea that you have to put in a certain amount of games to get your true rank is fucking bullshit and they do that to probably make you play more. The ranked system/ matchmaking should be better because that brings in way too much rng and creates an unfair advantage for the other team.
@@TheGizmo360 Nope wrong again! If someone has a 10% winrate and they're in your game that means they started higher than you are now so they're going back down. Also the "idea" of having to play more games isn't made by Riot it's a mathematical reality. You're sill is where you maintain a 50% winrate so if you have an over 50% winrate you are lower than you can be. In order to get to your equilibrium you have to climb and if you have just over a 50% winrate that will take a long time. if you have a 52% winrate in 100 games you're only positive 2 which is like 40LP so you have to put in hundreds or thousands of games to climb higher it's just math.
For those who are in iron, bronze or even silver and feel like they can't climb up you just go up and down I can offer this advice to possibly free you from this 'teams are bad' mindset. I've played the game for 12 years with large gaps in playing ranked so I've played all over the ranks (below diamond). I've at times for years been heavily involved in ranked, watching LCS and analyzing the game and other times where I only played casually and not even touch ranked for years. Haven't been in bronze much at all but when I was placed there I quickly climbed to silver.
Think about your losses if you understand the game. Instead of blaming teammates who messed up or fell behind reflect about how the game went from early-late and ask yourself a couple questions. If the game was even or I was ahead, did I do enough to carry? Or if your team was behind 'was I one of the reasons we fell behind?' Try to identify the main reasons for the loss (I emphasize NOT WHO MADE the GAME LOSING PLAY I'm talking all mistakes throughout the whole game). Also, if you were late in the draft, did I pick a champion that synergized with our team comp? Its not as important as decision-making in-game however if you're last pick top and your team has jinx, soraka, master yi and zed, locking in yasuo instead of a tank and/or ap champ like rumble or malphite lowers your chance of winning the game right at the start because that comp is unbalanced and makes teamfights or late game in general difficult to win.
If you take an honest look at your role in the lost game if you just went even and had an average impact on a close game you can't really complain at a loss even if one of your teammates made the game losing play. If you were the only one who got an early lead, did you snowball or throw away your lead needlessly? You should've been able to do more to bring your team into a winning position hence deserving to climb. And if you lost early game solo, made poor calls or plays that resulted in you or teammates dying or falling behind you definitely can't blame teammates for the loss.
A common victim mentality are laners complaining that they are getting camped. Yes it is a mechanic of the game that can keep 1 player down; however if you know you're getting camped after the 2nd gank you can adapt your playstyle, play safe under turret and stop dying or at least make them dive for it. If you learn to play dives well you can even get kills on the enemy team which really puts them behind.
If you feed the enemy jungler 4-5 kills from ganks and the enemy team snowballs off that, its mostly your fault. Its very hard for your jungler to keep up pressure when you're dying so often to the enemy jungler. It basically means the enemy team has to be as bad at surviving ganks as you are and they have to get 5 gank kills to compensate which doesn't often happen. I play a lot of jungle and I've had games where my team died to 3 ganks before even my first clear was done and the enemy jungler starts 2/0/1. It puts your jungler in a very bad position and its hard to take any ganks or objectives proactively after that since the other jungler and 1-2 lanes are ahead now. Remember, if you died to that many ganks early, you can't put all the blame on your jungler later in the game for being 'gapped' or out pressured, I see this all the time. If your team fed the enemy jungler by dying to practically every gank they tried in the early game its mostly your laners' fault, do not blame the jungler.
I did exactly and only this for the last ~1,5 years and I climbed to master. If anyone has any doubts - it really is that easy.
22:35 this is actually incorrect, according to riot matchmaking is based on performance, and i can tell you for sure that if you play on an account with super low winrate, bad mmr and horrible kdas, 2 cs a minute, you will get these games back to back 20 times in a row. you will notice the difference instantly as soon as you switch accounts, suddenly laners win on their own, when before it was literally impossible to get 1 winning/somewhat even lane. you can ofc fix every account, but its not true that this is super rare, it depends on the account you are playing on.
I agree with everything in this video but I will say this: just like there are games in higher elo that you cannot win bronze will have a few of those as well. 100% WR in bronze is impractical, of the ~25 games that you play in bronze you’ll have at least one where the adc or top lane refuses to play
game is still winnable even if u have 1-2 afk teammates
brother, one thing u gotta know teach us well, what to do when we are getting invades all the time
like the enemy voli clears ur jungle after an invasion and killing you, so whats next? u invade back? u go objectives?
they are everywhere
whats the plan there?
TIL that if you actually play with bronze teammates they wont be good enough to pull their heads out of the tilt. Most will just keep doubling down on being mad and feeding thus giving you no chance.
Ok so i tried this a couple of times, one game the enemy team surrendered at 15 mins, the next game i got fuckrd by a rammus but tbh i stopped doing my clears which is probably why, then i had another game where i was being perma invaded by a tryndamere and amumu i think they were duo, but i still managed to get 90 more cs than the amumu and more items so all in all this strategy can low-key work
I literally just did this tactic. by 8 minutes the score was 1-10 their enemy jg was 6-0 and we ff at 15 minutes.
but u had the cs advantage
Totally agree. For when you hit lvl 6 all your lanes are 0-2 or 3
And when you gank and help them win the lane. They just over extend till a- they die to tower b- enemy team come back and kill them.
these videos are good to watch ONLY if u play alot of games, dont expect to climb off a handful of games.
22:49 thats actually not true maybe from my experience 3-5 of 10 games looks like this for me so almost half. Some games ill afk farm with what i feel to be clean farming but team really does lower odds. I switched over to top lane and carry potential is so much higher cause of the level advantage over the rest of the map.
I think my account has lower matchmaking cause of my honor level though from years ago i used to chat flame but now I play muted and am finally climbing. Should be gold very soon on the bad account. Ive been playing on a plat account that i bought and have a 50% winrate in 20 games on there and i find my teammates to be MUCH more useful and smarter overall and less games are troll in return making the games actually easier than silver from my experience
I struggle with teammates, that dont want to gank me, because I main a champ "that doesnt require skill", like yeah Darius is very easy to play or "Why did you pick first then?". Man everyones below 100 IQ in bronze, just saying build anti heal 2nd item is a pure insult.
i would like another video on emerald elo. That shit is real elo hell
Sure boss
@@sinerias1229 is it possible for u to do one game where your bot lane and top is instantly losing in like 10 mins?
Emerald is the elo where you need to decide if you really want to dedicate yourself to the game. Youre in the top 10% of players at that point according to league of graphs. You cant just auto pilot in Emerald you actually have to try really hard every game from then on cause now youre working on the nitty gritty minute details that separate the good players from the great and the "ive dedicaded my life to this game" players
the issue is the LP. i had a 70%wr over 100 games and i still never got out of bronze. how does that ever make sense
You can't turn off your skills and knowledge. 1st Game - You warded Brand's Baron-side jungle, and then you warded Brand's Dragon-side jungle without explaining WHY you are doing it. If this is part of "fundamentals" you need to explain this. You made a simple gank just by pathing into the lane that you turned into a kill and burned the Brand's flash by capitalizing on the Brand's counter gank. You swapped to red trinket without commenting on WHY you swapped, and then started sweeping. Showed up mid-lane to pressure Akali to back off the wave. Didn't do anything, but, just walking in and pathing to your bot side camps relieves pressure. You steal Blue Buff because you know that Brand won't be there.
14:00 - "You get a kill here because it is the most obvious thing that could happen". WHY?! WHY IS IT THE MOST OBVIOUS THING THAT COULD HAPPEN? Is it because after you took Skuttle you checked bot side and saw the Renata and Smolder were overextended and the Renata had used her shield while Smolder was out of mana?
I started playing jungle like two years ago, and with all the changes I'm thinking about changing role again... I'm currently platinum and I feel like I don't have a huge impact on the game as I used to have back in the days. Yeah jungle is a very important role to play, many decisions to take, but sometimes I feel like it pays more off to became gigafed in lane, roam and snowball from there. Farming the jungle and hoping to get good ganks is not even satisfying.
You're still missing a lot of opportunities in Plat. Free dives, free kills, free invades, etc. If you don't enjoy jungle that's fine, but go play a role that you find fun and satisfying to learn, not a FOTM "broken" role.
this videos is not totally fair. Jungle has been buffed recently with the exp we are all getting since last week and some of those posts are from before the buff...so jungle was VERY behind a solo laner for a normal jungler...you are challenger so its no the same. This being said i like your video and you are totally right. thanks for sharing your knowledge sinerias. love you