I was bronze . I was mad . I was stuck . They told me to get good. I played . I still was hardstuck. I took my favorite and best champion . I only played him . I limit tested every new match up to new what nonsense i could do in x match up to get a advantage and break their mental. Now I'm no longer stuck in bronze . I'm stuck in iron with a green tint to it 🙃.
I have done everything i could and i went from iron 1 to iron 2. One of my last game withing 5 mins our mid 0/9. yes i know, let that sink in. And yes the enemy mid snowballed and decimated everyone.
In my expirience there is 2 bronze. On my first acc in bronze i play champions to train - i have 40% winrate and i always have 0-20% winrates teammates vs 80% in enemy team. I keveled second acc and play only my main with 90% winrate. And every game i have teamates with 70-90% winrate vs 0-20% in enemy team
You can say what you are doing is the most basic of things, but in reality, it is not. Coach Curtis realized this after his adventures in bronze as well. The things you auto-do because of your experience and level of normal play will have you stomp most bronze games. It's like having Usain Bolt run against high schoolers with one arm tied behind his back. That kind of handicap doesn't matter when there are so so so many more important things at play.
Kind of both are true. Pretty much all he was doing was farming and then wondering around until he sees an enemy totally out of position then kills them. Yeah he says all he is doing is pushing q and e but yeah he instantly kills everyone he runs across and that isn't because he is just pushing 2 buttons slowly its because he's challenger and of course will win pretty much any 1v1 even any 1v2 in bronze, probably kill both 1v2 worst case runs but doesn't die
I once had a friend tell me I couldn't climb his hardstuck bronze acc to gold. I'm a low plat jungler and it took me 2 days with a 85% winrate.... I'm not even that stuck in plat I just dont play as much. My average k/d is 13/6 in last 20 games and only 50% winrate, feeding teammates everywhere. I could claim I'm in losers queue but the reality is probably that I suck at closing out games where I have a lead, and if I improve there I probably climb way more consistent.
The problem is just that this guy sucks at Lee Sin, or at least isn't super impactful, and in order to be anywhere close to as effective as a Diana would be as Lee Sin you have to be 100x better at the game. He probably realizes he would climb faster as something other than lee sin, but likes playing Lee Sin.
@@tox_ph0b0s80 That's the thing though if your goal is to climb then you have to ditch hard characters like Lee Sin and learn the game and the role. If your goal is to learn Lee Sin then learn Lee Sin but don't complain about not climbing you have to do things that are in line what your goals are.
@@darkcircle899 The whole point of a coach is to help people with their personal aspirations. Not to recommend fucking Diana. He's also a loser for proliferating this negative IQ dogshit to his community. People should endure capital punishment for playing/recommending things like Diana.
the only scenario i would not condemn accoutn sharing/boosting. just to shut all those loserqueue copium sniffers up about how their account is rigged by riot with inters/smurfs/unfair matchmaking a dimwit was actually so obliviously obtuse he loudly claimed in a chatroom of thousand viewers, that riot granting each team 50% chance to win, is proof of loser queue. how does someone say something so outlandishly foolish without feeling shame? thank you for being a voice of reason in the midst of a deluded playerbase. much needed
@@GrammeStudio People are just in general allergic to personal accountability and that applies to video games as well. They want to find a reason that can be anything but them for why they're not reaching their goals.
@@laurynassimonaitis80 nope, every fking lane think you should win their lane for them. I got flamed first day when I played jngler and now after 6 years still the same. mute is the way some players know the game but most fkers will flame u and they know they lost their lane solo but they still will use you as an excuse for their loss. "Jungle diff"
Jungle is also "weak" because low elo junglers, instead of ganking early, and looking for an good opportunity to kill, will either afk farm and fall behind, or gank without paying any attention to wave state, hp bars & champ matchups and will instead gank a full hp malphite that is under turret
That's why he picked very simple champs to prove the point. Diana is super easy, super strong and very good for SoloQ. Few good examples for easy champs that are generally so easy to play that anyone can pick them up... Diana, Warwick, Amumu, Xin Zhao, VI... I wouldn't put Briar in that list, because that champ is actually harder than most people would think. Briar is pure macro. No mechanics. But heavy on the macro and micro.
@@mysticflow467 Assassins literally have the most straight forward role in the game. Engage and kill as many as possible with your burst. That's it. Of course some assassins require setup or positioning to execute their oneshots. But Diana takes literally no skill in that regard. We could talk about Zed, we could talk about Talon, but never in a hundred years would I tell you that Diana is hard. I am speaking from the perspective of a fairly high ranked player here and I do mostly play Assassin's. Like Talon and Diana. Diana needs the bare minimum, that's why she's so good. You have less margin of error and she's a good champ, that's why she's really popular in boosting and high elo junglers. If you want to climb as a jungler, pick Diana.
@@Jetlef_B_Toast having a straight forward role doesn't mean they're easy, you still have to know who to go on and when to go in. assassins are typically squishy eh whatever, diana is pretty easy, she's not on the level of a full tank amumu or garen though she's not "super easy"
@@mysticflow467 Yeah of course, but it's like saying support is super easy. It depends a lot on what champion you play, right? Every role can be easier or harder to play depending on the Champions ability to strive in that archetype of play-style.
I think a lot of coaches take for granted that people will know how to play their champs. Farming doesn't matter if you don't know what to do with the gold or how to use your champ abilities.
i went from being hardstuck silver for seasons to emerald 1/d4 in 2 seasons, all I did was watch my own vods and informative channels like this, did it on jng currently at plat 2 with 74 percent wr on my main from watching alois. also you need to drop ego and realize you know nothing, helps alot but most people like to complain instead of work hard, same with the gym, no matter how much I tell ppl its just consistency and basics they dont believe it.
I would say you improved, but not as much as you think if you did it in these recent seasons, once emerald was added everyone and their mom went from gold to emerald without improving
Despite what half the comments say I have dealt with these same issues however I watched this video and gave it a shot along with watching some other videos. I went from stuck in iron 4 with a 40% win rate to bronze 4 in a matter of days with a 82% win rate. Thank you for your videos you’re a great teacher
29:32 insanely funny bit giving big "how the fuck is cyberbullying real just close your eyes" energy best part is that it's true, if you're getting tilted on league for ANYTHING ELSE than playing bad yourself it's time to reconsider your mindset
@@karlosliskovic so ? feed all you want, I'll collect the bounty go AFK, I'll get compensation LP flame me ? I don't have chat on monk mental, nothing should faze you, only focus on getting better
@@karlosliskovic ADC Main here. If you flame me, I mute you. You're stuck in Gold with me. There is nothing you can say that will be good advice, because you're not a Level 30 Smurf. You're ALSO in Gold.
Lmao you cannot get mad when someone fucks up your games. It’s literally a team game. You can get mad at your teammates. The problem which riot created is an environment that doesn’t care about winning
I've climbed to plat recently for the first time on a jungle only account and the biggest thing that junglers (and pretty much any player) in low elo mess up is not knowing how to build a tempo advantage over the enemy and take what is guaranteed to create an advantage. Every bronze stuck player is not doing 3 key things: 1)Getting players better than them to review their game play 2) Watching and and learning from watching better players to mimic what they do well 3) Creating learning plans for themselves to consciously improve something specific Yes, in bronze the team mates are usually horrible, but the enemy players are also just as horrible. Put a Plat jungler in a bronze game and they will carry 9/10 times when with the worst team mates. To really optimize the win percentage, playing carry junglers that can 1v5 the enemy team when they are ahead like Belveth, Brand, Nocturn, etc. If you want to climb, playing champs that don't need your team mates to also be winning is really helpful. Also, stop playing random champions every other game. Pick like 2 or 3 and never play anything else until you've mastered them. That way you'll know the champions and match ups really well and can spend more time thinking about how to win the game instead of what the champion does. I've seen so many people randomly pick some champ they haven't played in 9 months in ranked just because they see it's the best "counterpick" only to run it down because they have no idea what they are doing. Stick to what you know and you'll be much more consistent, and consistency is what climbing in ranked is all about.
THIS IS HANDS DOWN THE BEST EDUCATIONAL CHANNEL FOR JGLERS. I kid you not now when im telling i climbed since split 2 started from b3 to plat. This is less than 1 month now. Before watching sinerias i was stuck between gold and silver, split 2 started in b3 cause i did mistakes and my team lost lanes 3 games in a row, and i hard carried since then. OFC, not every game, but most of games i could do 1v9, im now p4, 55% winrate and the journey just begun. I know p4 is not high elo, but i can clearly see ppl playing macro way better , same thing i can say about gold, and this makes my games way more easier cause they actually rotate, ping summs, ping enemy missing and game is actually enjoyable when teammates play the game. worth to mention: im a former master 4 player but since master have been introduced i havent played consistently lol for some years (i ve played like 1-2 weeks ranked, one or two or more months break) and i woke up rusty and in a game with a new map, new camps, new champs, etc. So im considering now myself new to the game, needing to relearn stuff, and capitalize on the fundamentals cause this is how u climb in jungle, anything but fundamentals are pointless if u wanna escape low elo, being otp but with 0 fundamentals (when to gank, when to split, when to retreat, when to objective etc.) will keep u hardstuck, for exemple, cause if u can secure a lead (by playing mechanical perfect) but lose it as fast as u secured because low macro knowledge., u lose. Yeah, u wont have 100% wr even with applied fundamentals cause u lack some mechanical skills or have laners that went 0/10 for no reason, but i can tell u will win more game then u will lose and therefore u climb.
@@jansentrichas8635 dosent change the fact fundamentals are esential for climbing. Also i was master when it was introuced this means 2014-2015 If i remember well. Call me diamond then idgaf about it, is still high elo (back then and even now, by statistics).What i was saying and what sinerias teaching is how u climb. Also pls...bring an argument??? Tell me to stfu for what? U stuck bronze and mad or u are another shitty elitist that thinks everyone below his rank is high elo ? Lol poor guy
@@luciofilipe im bragging about the fact i climbed after i didnt play for SOME YEARS this game. This mean i forgot a lot of stuff... And had to relearn. wtf dude. Some of You love to read whatever justifiy your scenarios.
I'm emerald and except if teammates farm my jungle consistantly before 20mn or 2 of them disconnect, I don't think I can lose a single bronze or silver game. But it's a hard elo to pass as it's the elo where you litterally start. Meaning that when you do something wrong, it's really hard to understand what you do wrong + people don't watch replay, to compare with what you do Sinerias and realise that no, they didn't finish their 2nd and 3rd full clear but roam around, waste time xp and gold. Bronze is all about full clearing
I’m in diamond to low masters and I don’t see a difference between gold and emerald. Started silver with a new account and games are literally harder than on my D4 account. Maybe it’s Smurf queue but they play just like emeralds
@@yournemesis192 careful with the split, a lot of plat, emerald are still silver/gold at the moment. This 2nd split is weird but if you check your opponent/allies, most of them will have been plat/emerald on previous split/season
Amazing as always. As low elo player myself when I lost drake, or die I just get mad on myself, forget which camps I just cleared, then I tilt myself even more I wasted my time, then sometimes I try to invade enemy camps on that side if they are empty I am mad, if I die while invading then I feel completely washed up. I don't know what and why I am doing this. The only thing that can help me to return focus is my teammate did some epic play won 1 vs 3, get triple kill, and my brain again started to work. Otherwise, I am lost. At 24:30 when you said even if you die it is fine death. I know how exactly how I feel. I would feel me as only one who have kills died, gave shutdown and I did not get objective. I just did not get it why is "good" to die there if that happens?
I guess dying there Is fine because he already got 5 grubs out of 6, he has Great lead on enemy jungler, and mainly because ksante Lost more than 1 wave worth of exp and Gold Just to go there and even if he gets the kill it's really not worth. Also Sinerias knows perfectly how to play and keep the lead even if he dies once or twice, because he has a challenger knowledge and a strong mindset which most of bronze players don't have, as you also said
So basically why is that death fine is simple as he said he cleared all his camps, and tryed to fight for that objective while enemy toplane is losing whole wave of xp, even if sinerias dies there he doesn’t lose anything in tempo he anyways need to recall and get item after that void grubs and then just continue farming. Bad deaths are the onese where you die in early game and you didnt clear your camps.
It's a fine death because of the following: - He already ganked toplane and scored a kill - He shoved the wave into the enemy tower, so the enemy top laner is losing farm (gold + xp) - The enemy toplaner ignored the shoved wave and went in a straight line to score a kill, so he's losing way more farm than he should - Amumu already had the grubs buff A kill is only 300g, that's 3 waves worth. The wave he shoved into the tower was worth a little over 200g. The next wave that arrived was worth over 100g. That's basically a kill worth of gold AND extra XP Ksante gave up because he wanted a kill. A kill doesn't grant you the same amount of XP that 3 minion waves does. IF Ksante scored a kill, he would gain a bounty because Amumu had 4 kills in a row. He would gain way more gold that the shoved wave he ignored. However, a kill is never garanteed, there's only a chance you'll score a kill; farm, however, is always garanteed. You only leave your lane when your wave is shoved, that occupies the enemy laner because he can't afford to lose farm. That applies for Recall, Objectives and Roaming. When you shove your wave, you apply pressure. When you apply pressure, you can use that pressure to occupy your enemy and either score a kill on him (minions aggro on enemies if they attack you), take a turrent plate (minions under turret allows you to do more damage and they also apply damage) or leave your lane to do whatever. All in all, it's almost never a good idea to leave your lane when you have a shoved enemy wave.
i feel like the people making these posts are the same people that invade with no prio in their lanes and then complain and flame their laners for not rotating
Honestly you don't need prio to invade. I ignore it because a lot of the time people don't even help you even if you have prio and I'm in gold. Just keep track of the jungler
@@OverlordAshley i mean yea in gold you can probably get away with that very easily and find success. I’m talking about the most “optimal” way to play. Obv mileage varies from game to game but on average my point remains valid and in general the “correct play”
The reveal of the elo at the end of the video is insane. You actually are an amazing teacher! Thank you for all your educational content you’re the GOAT of jungle coaching
As someone who was stuck in iron/bronze for 3 seasons and who recently promoted to emerald, I can confidently say that this advice will absolutely get you out of bronze. All you have to do in bronze is play 1-2 champs (preferably full clear champs), focus on your clear/optimizing your speed and don’t overplay on ganks. That’s literally it. Don’t force plays. Focus on your clear every base/clear the same way every game/optimize your clear and gank on the way or at the end of your clear. You will lose some games sure. But you will absolutely win more than you lose.
I wanted to come back from my previous comment and say this. Today I tried exactly what is shown on the video with xin as my champ and the games are far easier. Honestly i am stoned from this. It really works. Ty man
jungle is the strongest it has ever been in my opinion. The reason is the xp buff to camps, it is preaty easy to keep the same level as the solo laners and the one and a half minute earlier level 6 feels real good
I think especially right now just full clearing is insane, if low elo players grasp things like jungle tracking and taking enemy camps you will 100% just climb to emerald low without being very proactive (in terms of ganking a lot and capitalizing on summs, ults etc)
Getting stuck in bronze is a case of a dog chasing its own tail. You won't learn from randomised outcomes (in Bronze people don't make good decisions and don't execute well). Focusing on 1vs9 is a means to an end. Once you reach a rating at which people start to make good decisions and execute decently, then you can begin to learn from teamplay. What that rating is exactly depends on the individual.
after playing top for 10+ years and playing some jgl recently (not in bronze, but emerald so idk if its different) it feels like i have 200 times more agency over the course of the game. Toplane is like watching a game compared to jungle for real. Jgl is definitely the most efficient role to climb by far (maybe aside from support but only dia+)
My biggest gripe with low elo as a jungler is even when my lanes have priority. They don't help take objectives or in fights in the river. It's really irritating.
Genuine question. Highest i ever hit was Gold at one point, and I stopped playing ranked a while ago. What do you do in the lower ELOs when you're relatively consistently winning lane, but almost every other lane is losing? For instance, last game I played I was doing pretty fine. Something like 2/1 with 70 cs at like 9 minutes. Top lane died 2 or 3 times before I ever even did my first clear. Bot lane died twice before 4 minutes. Top ended the game like 1/10 with an absurdly low cs value and no complete item, and bot ended like 6/12. I can generate an advantage, but I can't consistently generate enough of an advantage to combat an early fed carry. What do? Edit for clarity: 90% of the like 12 kills the top and bot had were solo, no jungler.
I switched from top to jungle and climbed out of bronze immediately. It's the easiest to climb with because your farm is trivial, you can get make an impact in every lane, and you can help with every objective. It's so much easier.
just saw this video, can confirm even though im a top laner, if you mute and JUST focus on fundamentals like CS, properly helping team and where to go if your team is inting, youll climb much faster.
Sinerias I love how you make things simple, I'm a toplaner, I watch you not only to learn a bit of jungle, but also to learn to play around my jungler, and help him get ahead instead of spamming jungle Diff 😅
Much like chess, tempo and positioning are more important than taking pieces. Farm > objectives > turrets >kills - there is variance, however and you will get rng’d.
I watched the video, queued up for a game went on 10,5cs/min 😀 crazy even tho im also using your course but i was struggling a bit and it showed me how easy the game can be.
i appreciate your content, so id like to give some input that may help you grow. to say something is easy can be demeaning. its kinda like well you should obviously already know x y z. i want to mention many things u do in ths is not 'easy'. just atching ur first gank in 1, ur movement is built on hundreds of hours of practice. u dont walk into tower, u know when and why to turn. u bait out their abilities etc. there was a lot you did there the average bronze wouldnt know. i agree with idea to simplify it , go scuttle to scuttle but what ur doing is skilled even if you're trying to simplify it. i saw this in another video too and thought it was worth bringing up. ill be watching more stuff, thanks again for it!
31:40 Took me a while to figure out that the laning phase isn't that important, and that if you have good vision and map awareness mid game, you can turn a losing laning phase into a stomp if you choose good fights.
I have 2 accounts on KR, main is Gold 2 with a winrate of betweenn 60-70% with Yi main. Second account with at 40% win rate on bronze 2. I think the biggest issue, is NOT that we don't know how to play. The biggest issue is when we know what the "correct" thing to do is, however 3 or 4 of our team mates do not, and they hard feed from the early early game. If you're clearing your path towards top, and you ping your teammates that enemy jungler is going to gank them, and they ignore you with less than 5% HP left and their line is already pushing into the enemy tower with absolutely no reason to be in lane anymore, and they continue to feed enemy bot lane (who will be a heavy CC comp) and/or jungler, and your OTHER lanes are doing the same stupid things to go 0-4 within the first 5-6 minutes, then it becomes nearly impossible. In silver or gold elo, I will have at least 1 or 2 people that will play with me, and that's when I can force carry games. But with 4 braindead people, that's when it truly starts getting frustrating and you ponder your life choices, and wonder why you're wasting brain cells playing this cancer of a game. At 8:11 you mention numbers advantage. There's something about Korean bronze players where they will ALWAYS 1v2 when they are losing, but as soon as your team groups up and YOU have a numbers advantage, they stay back and do not use any skills. It's a very, very strange phenomena, and it blows my mind. 16:34 - This has got to be the best performing bronze team I've EVER seen, something that I can only experience once in every 30 or 40 games in bronze. Gold elo is so much more fair and evenly matched. Just got back from a bronze game. Bot team threw the whole game, then force ff'ed because I wouldn't gank their lane when their HP was at below 25%, with enemy comp being hard CC support and super fed Caitlyn lol.
It's always easier to climb when your rank is much higher than the rank you're playing at. Some roles and champs might really be hard for people worth only 1 league above.
it's actually much harder to do this player vs. monster thing, I tried a few times in the practice tool and always come out a few seconds later then you do it.
This is my first season jungling. I left placements in gold. I am LOST on how people are in bronze. All I do is farm and get objectives. I end almost every game 100+ CS above the other jungler, 6 grubs and dragon soul. Its so gratifying to see someone higher ranked than me preaching my philosophy.
Your lost on how your team can leave you to solo all those objectives you're supposedly always getting? Cause as jg I can outlevel/cs my opponent no problem. I can't stop my teammates from throwing the other team catch up gold over and over while being dead and losing map pressure/vision. I love these comments. *I got to win my matches and climb, why can't everyone?* Yeah, imagine if everyone was allowed this level of success. A sample size of even 50-100 matches in bronze would barely scratch the surface of what people are dealing with. And since we know streamers for any game get better luck/results in their gameplay to keep it interesting....well.. I'll just say the teams I get aren't what you were given buddy. It wants me to carry WAY harder than this.
In a usual game 9:10 bear is pushing like no tommorrow. He gets ganged by brand and flames. 10:30 sylas ky in tower you dont get assist, he dies. Flames you 11:00 your bot dies, both of them. They flame you. 12:30 you try take voidgrubs and you are getting ganged by fed top and middlane. You die. At the same time brand gets free dragon My point is that you can teach in a game where you win 3-2. How about 4-0?
This is the best guide i have watched won straight 5 games with nocturne bronze lobby started playing last month. How to win low elo basically farm diff
I'll put it this way: The most misunderstood hero in the iron, bronze, even silver league is Karthus... Always accused of not actively engaging in fights, just because he clears his jungle... And at the same time is one of the top banvans in the higher leagues. Before Kartus was recognized as a jungler, I loved playing him there and if I was allowed mid. This is my main mid character. But... Those basic things you showed, it's really hard for a lot of people to understand because they feel under pressure while playing and they can't abstract and just do their job! As a non-adc only player, mostly because of my in-game environment, no other reason, I dare say that people under stress lose their real judgement, and almost every game that classifies people into leagues shows it. Of course, the imago and the physical element in two parts… Is the hardware and internet connection capable of responding on time (This far exceeds even the gold league) The knowledge of what is required of you! I have demonstrated it with a purposely imposed lag of 200 milliseconds ;) I hope they learn something from you
IMO (jungle main here), jungle is the easiest role to climb up to plat/emerald with. You don't need to understand match ups so much. There isn't as much variability b/c you can PVE a lot and take the momentum of the game into your own hands. Unlike in laning where if you take one bad trade, you can be stuck under tower or at the mercy of your/enemy jungler. Just put together a list of what to do in sequence and literally just follow that list. You can learn to adapt it to situations later. This list will probably get you to around minute 14 when Rift Herald spawns. Then it isn't as set in stone. If you follow this list over and over and over (20 games?), you'll start to feel the rigidity of it and get a sense of when you can adapt. If you are going to prioritize ANYTHING, just farm your camps. Then, understand your champion. Following Sinerias advice, pick one champion. Spend time in practice tool with it. Want an extra challenge? Turn the setting on to hide UI, get comfortable with just your champion. Try to get a feel for when cooldowns are up without needing to look. Before you play any games each day, just spend 30 minutes in practice tool being creative. Maybe practice how fast you can clear starting at red or at blue. Maybe practice combos on a target dummy, doing the same combo five times, restarting the count if you mess it up. Do a combo slow, then do it fast. What happens if you wait a few moments in between each skill, can you chain together another combo? TL;DR - Build your instinct, then you won't have to think so much. The "steps" are easily copied from watching a pro like Sinerias. Stop thinking so hard. Build yourself guidelines.
Another tip: In practice tool, try to do your whole clear without looking (as much as possible). If you can accomplish this, then imagine how much you could be watching the minimap while you clear. Even if you don't take action to map info, you can: 1. danger ping for your teammates (who in bronze, definitely aren't looking at the map) 2. ping wards for your team 3. see where the enemy jungler is 4. build muscle memory b/c you aren't watching your champion all the time
just made it into emerald for the first time, but as support. there I usually accept, that a 0/8 toplane will loosing mid will loose me the game, because even a full team can kill a fed tham kench or similar tank. even if my ADC is 8/0 as well, its incredibly hard. but I can still win the other 8-9 games.
A lot of people including myself complain about climbing when they don't realize we're just bad at league. You have to go like 80-90% to climb up to platinum lol
I don't play jungle, but I 100% agree with what you are saying. There is a notion that "some accounts are just hardstuck" or "I'm in losers queue" or "if you take a high elo player, even they can't climb on my account." The bull crap and utter nonsense in that line of thinking is mind boggling. It's like these players are flailing on their backs in a pig pen claiming that they are stuck in quick sand. Take some accountability. Your teamates are not the reason you are in a specific elo. Focus on your gameplay because that is the only metric that you can reliably account for. Fundamentals, clearing/wave states, champ mastery, matchup understanding, win cons, ect, ALL of these are in your control. Some games you will win easily, aka your team just stomps. Some games you will lose easily, aka your team feeds. It's up to each player how they decide to respond. Pointing the finger at someone else or Riot as a whole is the weakest mindset and only perpetuates this mind virus that is plaguing the game. Sorry for the rant, but I'm tired of people not taking an ounce of responsibility in this game. It's easy to continue in the cycle of "my team is always bad, enemy team always is better." It's difficult to put the onus on yourself and be critical of your mistakes.
Fortunately this came is based off a lot of RNG in ranked and you do have teammates who completely waste your time. I can accept this and I can just keep doing what I have to do and going to next game but when I have a 54% winrate and my ADC or top has a 10% winrate I'm essentially down a teammate lol
@@TheGizmo360 Your team mates winrates don't matter. Every game you get 4 random team mates and 5 random enemies you are the only consistent factor in all your games. The outcome of any one game is entirely irrelevant to climbing you are playing for the long run so if you are consistently out preforming other people in your games you will climb over time it's that easy you just need to put in enough games.
@@darkcircle899 of course your teammates WR matter. Someone with a 50% win rate should not be partnered / in the same rank as someone with a 10% WR. The whole idea that you have to put in a certain amount of games to get your true rank is fucking bullshit and they do that to probably make you play more. The ranked system/ matchmaking should be better because that brings in way too much rng and creates an unfair advantage for the other team.
@@TheGizmo360 Nope wrong again! If someone has a 10% winrate and they're in your game that means they started higher than you are now so they're going back down. Also the "idea" of having to play more games isn't made by Riot it's a mathematical reality. You're sill is where you maintain a 50% winrate so if you have an over 50% winrate you are lower than you can be. In order to get to your equilibrium you have to climb and if you have just over a 50% winrate that will take a long time. if you have a 52% winrate in 100 games you're only positive 2 which is like 40LP so you have to put in hundreds or thousands of games to climb higher it's just math.
I escaped bronze quite a few times and it became super easy once I stopped letting my teammates dictate how I play. They spam ping so I'd go against my intuition, they flame me for not ganking unfavorable times so I force a gank etc... if you wanna get better u gotta get comfortable with your teammates flaming you
For those who are in iron, bronze or even silver and feel like they can't climb up you just go up and down I can offer this advice to possibly free you from this 'teams are bad' mindset. I've played the game for 12 years with large gaps in playing ranked so I've played all over the ranks (below diamond). I've at times for years been heavily involved in ranked, watching LCS and analyzing the game and other times where I only played casually and not even touch ranked for years. Haven't been in bronze much at all but when I was placed there I quickly climbed to silver. Think about your losses if you understand the game. Instead of blaming teammates who messed up or fell behind reflect about how the game went from early-late and ask yourself a couple questions. If the game was even or I was ahead, did I do enough to carry? Or if your team was behind 'was I one of the reasons we fell behind?' Try to identify the main reasons for the loss (I emphasize NOT WHO MADE the GAME LOSING PLAY I'm talking all mistakes throughout the whole game). Also, if you were late in the draft, did I pick a champion that synergized with our team comp? Its not as important as decision-making in-game however if you're last pick top and your team has jinx, soraka, master yi and zed, locking in yasuo instead of a tank and/or ap champ like rumble or malphite lowers your chance of winning the game right at the start because that comp is unbalanced and makes teamfights or late game in general difficult to win. If you take an honest look at your role in the lost game if you just went even and had an average impact on a close game you can't really complain at a loss even if one of your teammates made the game losing play. If you were the only one who got an early lead, did you snowball or throw away your lead needlessly? You should've been able to do more to bring your team into a winning position hence deserving to climb. And if you lost early game solo, made poor calls or plays that resulted in you or teammates dying or falling behind you definitely can't blame teammates for the loss. A common victim mentality are laners complaining that they are getting camped. Yes it is a mechanic of the game that can keep 1 player down; however if you know you're getting camped after the 2nd gank you can adapt your playstyle, play safe under turret and stop dying or at least make them dive for it. If you learn to play dives well you can even get kills on the enemy team which really puts them behind. If you feed the enemy jungler 4-5 kills from ganks and the enemy team snowballs off that, its mostly your fault. Its very hard for your jungler to keep up pressure when you're dying so often to the enemy jungler. It basically means the enemy team has to be as bad at surviving ganks as you are and they have to get 5 gank kills to compensate which doesn't often happen. I play a lot of jungle and I've had games where my team died to 3 ganks before even my first clear was done and the enemy jungler starts 2/0/1. It puts your jungler in a very bad position and its hard to take any ganks or objectives proactively after that since the other jungler and 1-2 lanes are ahead now. Remember, if you died to that many ganks early, you can't put all the blame on your jungler later in the game for being 'gapped' or out pressured, I see this all the time. If your team fed the enemy jungler by dying to practically every gank they tried in the early game its mostly your laners' fault, do not blame the jungler.
I don't necessarily think Jungle is weak, or in a bad spot, but I do think it feels bad to play, or rather I should say demanding. It requires the most constant awareness of where you're needed and what you can get away with doing or not doing. And if your lanes refuse to rotate to help if you get invaded early, or to assist with objectives you just lose games. It's happened multiple times (mind, these were all on the same season of Ranked, all within about 2 months of one another when I tried to climb near the end of Season 11) where I take one kill from my ADC during a gank and they just mental boom and either AFK, start feeding, or follow me around the map to steal my camps. Multiple instances of this in a relatively short period. Demotivated me to play Ranked. Every role has its problems, but carrying as a Jungler feels *very* dependent on how well the rest of your team plays when compared to Mid or ADC
my own personal experience climbing on an account I leveled myself to 30 then hit ranked all the way up to plat only to fall back down to silver due to int feeding team mates, every role can carry, even enchanter support as long as one of your team mates do not int.
1 game doesn’t mean anything. People who are actually bronze can win bronze games because league isn’t going to let the algorithm let them lose every single game.
@@evanthegreatgamer4956 same lol. im gold 1 on my main. hopped into an old smurf that was in bronze and got to gold 5 on a role i dont usually play. im bad at the game, but for bronze all you need to do is autoattack hit your spells and braindead push sidelanes lmfao
What I've learned in bronze is full insecurity, you will have full counters lose lane, absolutely no vision and then random cracked vision on the lane u have prior in its just a complete roll of the dice.
I agree with everything in this video but I will say this: just like there are games in higher elo that you cannot win bronze will have a few of those as well. 100% WR in bronze is impractical, of the ~25 games that you play in bronze you’ll have at least one where the adc or top lane refuses to play
Meanwhile, Tarzaned in Challenger still complaining about Jungle being weak. Personal accountability is not something you ever really find in league players.
When WW and Yi are on level with other chars, then everyone else cries. My ranking in Iron keeps going down no matter how much I improve. After I've had a good game the match system rewards me with a special "regarded" team. Often I'm literally expected to carry 4 people. Many times it feels like I''m top or 2nd player on my team and lower skill than EVERY player on the other team. How can I climb like this.
Whenever im doing a climb from low elo, i only queue for JG, nothing else. I have wayy much more impact and carry potential playing JG than any other role
brother, one thing u gotta know teach us well, what to do when we are getting invades all the time like the enemy voli clears ur jungle after an invasion and killing you, so whats next? u invade back? u go objectives? they are everywhere whats the plan there?
I'm gold and even I can climb out of bronze in a few days reliably. I do mute people at the first bad ping and I do agree that this season took away a shortcut to snowball with the Herald changes. On the other hand the latest xp change increased the ability to create leads with good pathing and decision making.
As a Master jungler myself, I didn't understand if your plan is to perma farm jungle. That you decided to buy cdr book first back instead of the attack speed item wich makes ur clear way faster. I guess the difference is small, but huge for bronze players.
"Basic stuff" then proceeds to say, "I noticed he used his Q and that's why I turn" lmao. A lot of bronze play locked screen or once focused on an obj they don't look back to where they just were.
Sinerias, you are absolutely my favorite person in the League of Legends community. if it wasn't for your positivity and wisdom, I would have surely quit playing this game.
This is how i left bronze years ago as a jungle main: Pick Kayn or Shyvana Farm your camps Farm the enemy camps Farm your dead teamates minions Repeat steps 2-4 I climbed from bronze to gold without learning how to gank, that speaks volumes as to how bad i really was vs how good i thought i was.
Honestly this kinda dumb. .. " if you play for both scuttles and then do chickens and krugs, you should always be out cs'ing your enemy jungle and have 100% win rate." Lmfao like what? I regularly have to either fight for scuttle, or forgo them all together because my laners have no priority and enemy laners are collapsing on me... Over fucking scuttle. That's a bad sign... Because then you most likely have to start giving up grubs and dragons too. ... Are there plenty of games where I get full clear both scuttles and then a return run on chickens and krugs? Sure .. but then the same thing can end up just happening... Your team has no Lane priority and you start trying to get objectives and you go from being like 3/0/3 ... To 3/2/3 because enemy team is playing around objectives and your team simply isn't. .. they stay in lane 24/7 and aren't even out ca'ing the enemy team who is roaming. .. and I get it. You have to make the choice to give up objectives and just farm and hope that you scale and have some good team fights later... The point is when you do this the other team just continues to gain an advantage over the one they already have by winning their Lanes and you're sitting there struggling to even keep up with their level and CS. Sure you can come back from games like this sometimes. But to say that you should have a 100% win rate in bronze by doing basic plays is just patently false. The only way you are winning many games in bronze is if you play perfectly and then carry team fights around the enemies mistakes. ... Easier said than done. You have to figure out how your team is playing wrong and then try to predict the enemy's plays and exploit it. Even getting people to guard or Ward your topside jungle is a f****** 50/50 chance... And people regularly try to invade and steal your cs in bronze.
bro i just watched this video and didnt expect anythiing from it, i tought hmm.. imma try this that just farming thing and damm, my team were hard losing i was just farming and taking most obvious ganks. we won i got 277cs and enemy jg was 212cs. tysm for that video this helped me alot.
I was a long time bronze/silver player, Grand Master Challenger in season 3, but rest of the season i was stuck in bronze/silver, then this season i got placed in Emerald, no issue playing here, seems to me it was Bronze skill level to me, ofc there is a little more macro and more CS but people do the same mistake in plays and some people dont ward at all, now i am stuck here :) not getting younger and i am not delusional about my skill level, i am not young anymore.
Sinerias great video. But as someone who recently climbed from Iron 1 to silver 1 this split fairly fast playing jungle. One thing you're ignoring is that you do run into about 30-40% of games that are often unwinnable. Especially if you play passive like you are in this video. If everyone else loses lane it is often just unwinnable late game, or if one enemy gets so far ahead for example. Also keep in mind, even if you're "playing worse". You can always lean on your "challenger" ability for either game knowledge, macro and mechanics at any point, for example if someone does a play that is at an emerald level you can easily already know what to do and decide to do if you want to with your already challenger ability. So even if you don't do optimal plays. You ignore the bad ones and are probably playing better than most Gold players in the late game while in bronze for example and how you counter jungle knowing where the enemy jungler will be. As you know how to control win conditions much better than 99.9% of players. I think the most annoying thing about low elo as a jungler especially if those games where you try your hardest, you get fed even, you almost carry your team but still lose due to 1-2 bad players inting. So it would be interesting if you showed a game where you actually lost in low elo, and unwinnable one. Though I know you often go for 100% winrate challenges. Just realise that is not possible for most players. I would also say you underestimate the amount of games where your whole team can get behind, like your second game in low elo. It's not that it's every game, of course not. But it's that it's like 1/10 games. People coin flip a lot. And almost every other game you have someone who's inting their lane and can't help but keep dying over and over. Leading to at least one enemy you cannot fight. Lastly, as a briar player with an almost 70% winrate in silver 1, soon to be low gold. I do definitely have a hard time on that champ as opposed to Diana, with actually having low deaths like you say. Of course, some games I do, but my overall KDA is lots of deaths but even more kills... So maybe I need to learn to know when to play more passive in some games. Though, I am not of the belief that anyone is hardstuck or losers queue like some. I think it is just quite unfun to lose games you can't win, and how toxic the player base is. It can make you yourself become toxic too, or just not speak. Especially as jungler with people who are either blind or blaming you for them losing lane on their own.
Alot of high elo players tend to forget that the vast majority of Iron and Bronze players dont just have bad fundamentals. There are things that you do with muscle memory that you cant force yourself not to do. He was watching the minimap like a hawk for instance (while he wasnt panning his camera he knew Talon and Katarina were fighting and chose to ignore it. A bronze player wouldnt even be aware that the fight happened at all until they were flame pinged.) He kites the camps in the direction he wants to go while killing it a Bronze player wouldnt do that thus slowing their clears and possible plays down by alot (he does this even passed his first clear and is constantly doing it). He knows what every champion in the game can do to a basic/advanced level alot of Bronze players dont have a clue what some champions kits are. He knows roughly that if he has a completed item and more levels then his opponents he can win most fights a bronze player wouldnt even think about comparing items and levels before fighting leading to bad fights and deaths. Even though he is ignoring macro plays he cant stop his crisp movements and mechanics in micro fights (while Amumu isnt a hard champion this guy isnt throwing Q's wider then a livestock barn and missing his opponents cause his mouse was in the wrong spot for instance.) This video id say is more geared for Silver-Plat players then Bronze and Iron level players.
TIL that if you actually play with bronze teammates they wont be good enough to pull their heads out of the tilt. Most will just keep doubling down on being mad and feeding thus giving you no chance.
Gotta say, while I agree with the "if youre not getting out of bronze you are too bad, not your teammates", a 1 death per minute game is not as rare as youd think. They are more in the range of 20% - 30% of the games. Obviously still, if you loose only these, then you have a 70% to 80% winrate, which will get you out of bronze asap.
people forget: bronze is the pool of smurfs. therefore if one hasnt been higher than bronze its hard to recognize it and climb out. Climb only by performance.
play alone and play 100 games and u will see that if u lose a game now cuz they have smurfs over 100 games u will get more smurfs in your team and u will have a 55% winrate over those 100 games, same thing to 0/20 bot if u play they will also have it, just focus on your play and dont get mad and u will climb
they aren't smurfing they're as bad as you. I can have a 95% winrate with briar top (I main it and learned the match ups so ye) but fr most of them aren't good. Like I had a 40% winrate lee sin legit turbo smurf the game with 16/4 after 1 top while killing the enemy jungler. Most of his other games he hard ints but here he dove everyone on the map.
Trust me bro there are no smurfs in todays bronze. There is a thing called smurfqueue and it is extremely effective. Im like E2/E1 mmr player on Euw and I made a new account to try the mmr reset mechanic to climb faster and reach dia. Strictly through playing normals I was playing in eme-dia lobbies by level 10 💀
all i did was full clear with shyvana and i was able to hit high emerald as someone who does not play jg at all. its true u can climb jsut by full clearing and being strong for big fights off cs
I am bronze silver player. After i started to watching the Sinerias videos i started to climb.Last night i plyed a game in siver elo where all lines were losing hard .Enemy jungler was Emerald smyrfing.And miracle happened. Me bronze player destroyed the enemy team and smurf jungle (Kayn)with master Yi 27/4 -3 levels ahead ,the highest CS .Total domination. I amagine what will hapen if i buy the paid course 😅
I struggle with teammates, that dont want to gank me, because I main a champ "that doesnt require skill", like yeah Darius is very easy to play or "Why did you pick first then?". Man everyones below 100 IQ in bronze, just saying build anti heal 2nd item is a pure insult.
I will say I agree that you can climb especially out of bronze and silver if you are not bad but you can't deny that jg has just gotten harder over these past 3 years due to nerf 3 years in a row but that does mean you just need to adapt to the new playstyle that isn't truly new you just cant play as reckless as you used to
The idea of elo hell is an idea not grasped easily. I have climbed my way up from Iron IV to Silver something once, and I can't seem to do it again. I play Sion top. For a long time, I haven't really enjoyed the game and of course, after Baus, I picked up on Sion and now I'm fairly enjoying the game. He's a chill champion and I can find a good balance between inting and not inting for me to reliably win my lane. I played my placements game today after having dropped league for a while, and out of 5 games, I lost 4. Back to back. I only won one, because I killed my enemy laner once and he went afk. But all the other times, I lost without a say in the game. We had stats over on the enemies side like 30 kills, little to no deaths. Of course it's easy for a Challenger to climb. Of course it's especially easy for a challenger with a role that affects the game mostly. But what if I don't aim for challenger? I aim for gold or something. When I climbed really hard, out of Iron that I mentioned earlier, I had 60+% win rate on Sion and I was playing almost every game against gold players. So you are telling me, I'm fine with gold players one season, but hardstuck Iron the other? I guess I just had bad luck, but I will have to say that yours is not an accurate representation of the playerbase that really is looking for help.
I agree bronze is easy to escape but there WILL be games where your 3 lanes will feed 10 to 20 kills and you wont be able to keep up with just clearing the jungle. But those games are only winnable if youre smurfing.
I understand and agree with the concept here, but to say almost no bronze games go that badly is absurd.. at least 1 game a night, and I usually play ~5 a night. One of my lanes will be like 0-7 at 10 min
i think a part of the problem is hes playing lee sin as bronze he doesnt understand the basic foundations of macro and hes playing a highly mechanical champ and its just how are you expected to learn like that
This comment section is so cringe. The only reason you can't climb out of bronze is because you belong there. You're bad. It's really that simple, cope more and stay bad.
Sadly Sinerias I think you are a little bit disconnected from reality. You can only carry these low Elo games if you are DRAMATICALLY better than everyone else. Being slightly better than the Elo you are in, just isn't enough to climb and IF you are an unlucky person, you CAN theoritically get teams that lose in the first few minutes, doesn't matter if you out jungle the enemy jungler when the rest of the lanes are dominating. Sure someone like You, a challenger can do something about it, but even a Plat player like myself will still lose in Bronze lobbies a lot.
His point and advice is still solid. Full clear with easy champs and group with the team will lead u to plat/emerald easily. Can u lose 5 games in a row? Yes but the more u play while staying consistent the more ur gonna win.
What most people fail to understand in this game is alot of games are a coin flip. If youre playing this game for a while you unsretand the concept of how to play the game. Lets say youre peak is silver and u just cant get past silver. What happens when all the smurfs comes to ur elo and boosters etc. League is great at actaully teaching players on how to get better. And most people just look down on lower elo. I feel like ur gonna feel the same same way in any elo. At least thats how i view it.
I followed many tips, honed my skill over time. And after many months I escaped the clutches of bronze, into iron. I’m going to cry.
😂
from plat to Dia is impossible struggling 😂
real
I was bronze .
I was mad .
I was stuck .
They told me to get good.
I played .
I still was hardstuck.
I took my favorite and best champion .
I only played him .
I limit tested every new match up to new what nonsense i could do in x match up to get a advantage and break their mental.
Now I'm no longer stuck in bronze .
I'm stuck in iron with a green tint to it 🙃.
if get good doesn't work. get bad. problem solved.
why do you play teemo jungle ?
lol same
I have done everything i could and i went from iron 1 to iron 2.
One of my last game withing 5 mins our mid 0/9. yes i know, let that sink in. And yes the enemy mid snowballed and decimated everyone.
i have done all of this but i'm still stuck in bronze (with a bronze tint to it of course)
0-1 bot lane death at 9 minutes it’s absolutely unheard of in bronze
it happens once in a blue moon, it's crazy
In my expirience there is 2 bronze. On my first acc in bronze i play champions to train - i have 40% winrate and i always have 0-20% winrates teammates vs 80% in enemy team. I keveled second acc and play only my main with 90% winrate. And every game i have teamates with 70-90% winrate vs 0-20% in enemy team
I decided to go play a few in bronze from mid lane. Cait Raka 0/12 combined at 14min.
@@drewferguson8324 just got out of one. 0-6 top lane 10 min 0-10 DRAVEN NAUT 12 min mid alkali started 2-0 ended 2-15
I have an emerald and bronze account. Games in bronze are legit 2-12 at 8 min bot laners 60% of the time lol
You can say what you are doing is the most basic of things, but in reality, it is not. Coach Curtis realized this after his adventures in bronze as well. The things you auto-do because of your experience and level of normal play will have you stomp most bronze games. It's like having Usain Bolt run against high schoolers with one arm tied behind his back. That kind of handicap doesn't matter when there are so so so many more important things at play.
all that is important in this game is farm. It's really that simple
Kind of both are true. Pretty much all he was doing was farming and then wondering around until he sees an enemy totally out of position then kills them. Yeah he says all he is doing is pushing q and e but yeah he instantly kills everyone he runs across and that isn't because he is just pushing 2 buttons slowly its because he's challenger and of course will win pretty much any 1v1 even any 1v2 in bronze, probably kill both 1v2 worst case runs but doesn't die
I once had a friend tell me I couldn't climb his hardstuck bronze acc to gold. I'm a low plat jungler and it took me 2 days with a 85% winrate....
I'm not even that stuck in plat I just dont play as much. My average k/d is 13/6 in last 20 games and only 50% winrate, feeding teammates everywhere. I could claim I'm in losers queue but the reality is probably that I suck at closing out games where I have a lead, and if I improve there I probably climb way more consistent.
The problem is just that this guy sucks at Lee Sin, or at least isn't super impactful, and in order to be anywhere close to as effective as a Diana would be as Lee Sin you have to be 100x better at the game. He probably realizes he would climb faster as something other than lee sin, but likes playing Lee Sin.
@@tox_ph0b0s80 That's the thing though if your goal is to climb then you have to ditch hard characters like Lee Sin and learn the game and the role. If your goal is to learn Lee Sin then learn Lee Sin but don't complain about not climbing you have to do things that are in line what your goals are.
@@darkcircle899 The whole point of a coach is to help people with their personal aspirations.
Not to recommend fucking Diana. He's also a loser for proliferating this negative IQ dogshit to his community.
People should endure capital punishment for playing/recommending things like Diana.
the only scenario i would not condemn accoutn sharing/boosting. just to shut all those loserqueue copium sniffers up about how their account is rigged by riot with inters/smurfs/unfair matchmaking
a dimwit was actually so obliviously obtuse he loudly claimed in a chatroom of thousand viewers, that riot granting each team 50% chance to win, is proof of loser queue. how does someone say something so outlandishly foolish without feeling shame?
thank you for being a voice of reason in the midst of a deluded playerbase. much needed
@@GrammeStudio People are just in general allergic to personal accountability and that applies to video games as well. They want to find a reason that can be anything but them for why they're not reaching their goals.
Jungle is "weak" because the average League player's mental is weak and they don't know how to mute annoying team mates.
What? Be good at jungle and no one will ever flame you.
@@laurynassimonaitis80 nope, every fking lane think you should win their lane for them. I got flamed first day when I played jngler and now after 6 years still the same. mute is the way some players know the game but most fkers will flame u and they know they lost their lane solo but they still will use you as an excuse for their loss. "Jungle diff"
No role is weak you can climb with every role, every role does have its weakness but thats nit the reason people are stuck in bronze
@@laurynassimonaitis80wrong
Jungle is also "weak" because low elo junglers, instead of ganking early, and looking for an good opportunity to kill, will either afk farm and fall behind, or gank without paying any attention to wave state, hp bars & champ matchups and will instead gank a full hp malphite that is under turret
Something high elo player can forget is champion mastery is as important than fundementals. That way your champion interact with your maxro in the way
That's why he picked very simple champs to prove the point.
Diana is super easy, super strong and very good for SoloQ.
Few good examples for easy champs that are generally so easy to play that anyone can pick them up...
Diana, Warwick, Amumu, Xin Zhao, VI...
I wouldn't put Briar in that list, because that champ is actually harder than most people would think. Briar is pure macro. No mechanics. But heavy on the macro and micro.
@@Jetlef_B_Toast eh, diana being an assassin makes her not so easy
@@mysticflow467 Assassins literally have the most straight forward role in the game. Engage and kill as many as possible with your burst. That's it.
Of course some assassins require setup or positioning to execute their oneshots. But Diana takes literally no skill in that regard. We could talk about Zed, we could talk about Talon, but never in a hundred years would I tell you that Diana is hard. I am speaking from the perspective of a fairly high ranked player here and I do mostly play Assassin's. Like Talon and Diana.
Diana needs the bare minimum, that's why she's so good. You have less margin of error and she's a good champ, that's why she's really popular in boosting and high elo junglers. If you want to climb as a jungler, pick Diana.
@@Jetlef_B_Toast having a straight forward role doesn't mean they're easy, you still have to know who to go on and when to go in. assassins are typically squishy
eh whatever, diana is pretty easy, she's not on the level of a full tank amumu or garen though she's not "super easy"
@@mysticflow467 Yeah of course, but it's like saying support is super easy. It depends a lot on what champion you play, right? Every role can be easier or harder to play depending on the Champions ability to strive in that archetype of play-style.
I think a lot of coaches take for granted that people will know how to play their champs. Farming doesn't matter if you don't know what to do with the gold or how to use your champ abilities.
Yeah, but if you don't know how your champ works, you're SUPPOSED to be in bronze, learning, instead of crying on reddit. That was his point.
i went from being hardstuck silver for seasons to emerald 1/d4 in 2 seasons, all I did was watch my own vods and informative channels like this, did it on jng currently at plat 2 with 74 percent wr on my main from watching alois. also you need to drop ego and realize you know nothing, helps alot but most people like to complain instead of work hard, same with the gym, no matter how much I tell ppl its just consistency and basics they dont believe it.
I would say you improved, but not as much as you think
if you did it in these recent seasons, once emerald was added everyone and their mom went from gold to emerald without improving
you're still super low elo though.
Despite what half the comments say I have dealt with these same issues however I watched this video and gave it a shot along with watching some other videos. I went from stuck in iron 4 with a 40% win rate to bronze 4 in a matter of days with a 82% win rate. Thank you for your videos you’re a great teacher
29:32 insanely funny bit
giving big "how the fuck is cyberbullying real just close your eyes" energy
best part is that it's true, if you're getting tilted on league for ANYTHING ELSE than playing bad yourself it's time to reconsider your mindset
how about no? how about you give your best while other ints and trolls and afks. u are forced to swallow it and it isnt tasty.
@@karlosliskovic so ? feed all you want, I'll collect the bounty
go AFK, I'll get compensation LP
flame me ? I don't have chat on
monk mental, nothing should faze you, only focus on getting better
@@karlosliskovic ADC Main here. If you flame me, I mute you. You're stuck in Gold with me. There is nothing you can say that will be good advice, because you're not a Level 30 Smurf. You're ALSO in Gold.
Lmao you cannot get mad when someone fucks up your games.
It’s literally a team game. You can get mad at your teammates. The problem which riot created is an environment that doesn’t care about winning
@@pandanym3065you get compensation lp for afks? I just get full lp losses
I've climbed to plat recently for the first time on a jungle only account and the biggest thing that junglers (and pretty much any player) in low elo mess up is not knowing how to build a tempo advantage over the enemy and take what is guaranteed to create an advantage. Every bronze stuck player is not doing 3 key things: 1)Getting players better than them to review their game play 2) Watching and and learning from watching better players to mimic what they do well 3) Creating learning plans for themselves to consciously improve something specific
Yes, in bronze the team mates are usually horrible, but the enemy players are also just as horrible. Put a Plat jungler in a bronze game and they will carry 9/10 times when with the worst team mates. To really optimize the win percentage, playing carry junglers that can 1v5 the enemy team when they are ahead like Belveth, Brand, Nocturn, etc. If you want to climb, playing champs that don't need your team mates to also be winning is really helpful.
Also, stop playing random champions every other game. Pick like 2 or 3 and never play anything else until you've mastered them. That way you'll know the champions and match ups really well and can spend more time thinking about how to win the game instead of what the champion does. I've seen so many people randomly pick some champ they haven't played in 9 months in ranked just because they see it's the best "counterpick" only to run it down because they have no idea what they are doing. Stick to what you know and you'll be much more consistent, and consistency is what climbing in ranked is all about.
Thank you so much Sinerias. Please release more content like this! I also want to conquer like you.
THIS IS HANDS DOWN THE BEST EDUCATIONAL CHANNEL FOR JGLERS. I kid you not now when im telling i climbed since split 2 started from b3 to plat. This is less than 1 month now. Before watching sinerias i was stuck between gold and silver, split 2 started in b3 cause i did mistakes and my team lost lanes 3 games in a row, and i hard carried since then. OFC, not every game, but most of games i could do 1v9, im now p4, 55% winrate and the journey just begun. I know p4 is not high elo, but i can clearly see ppl playing macro way better , same thing i can say about gold, and this makes my games way more easier cause they actually rotate, ping summs, ping enemy missing and game is actually enjoyable when teammates play the game.
worth to mention: im a former master 4 player but since master have been introduced i havent played consistently lol for some years (i ve played like 1-2 weeks ranked, one or two or more months break) and i woke up rusty and in a game with a new map, new camps, new champs, etc. So im considering now myself new to the game, needing to relearn stuff, and capitalize on the fundamentals cause this is how u climb in jungle, anything but fundamentals are pointless if u wanna escape low elo, being otp but with 0 fundamentals (when to gank, when to split, when to retreat, when to objective etc.) will keep u hardstuck, for exemple, cause if u can secure a lead (by playing mechanical perfect) but lose it as fast as u secured because low macro knowledge., u lose. Yeah, u wont have 100% wr even with applied fundamentals cause u lack some mechanical skills or have laners that went 0/10 for no reason, but i can tell u will win more game then u will lose and therefore u climb.
Brother you were master at 1 points. Stfu lol
@@jansentrichas8635 dosent change the fact fundamentals are esential for climbing. Also i was master when it was introuced this means 2014-2015 If i remember well. Call me diamond then idgaf about it, is still high elo (back then and even now, by statistics).What i was saying and what sinerias teaching is how u climb. Also pls...bring an argument??? Tell me to stfu for what? U stuck bronze and mad or u are another shitty elitist that thinks everyone below his rank is high elo ? Lol poor guy
@@franktv8907 dude you're bragging about climbing to plat when you were masters before. the guy's right.
@@luciofilipe im bragging about the fact i climbed after i didnt play for SOME YEARS this game. This mean i forgot a lot of stuff... And had to relearn. wtf dude. Some of You love to read whatever justifiy your scenarios.
I'm emerald and except if teammates farm my jungle consistantly before 20mn or 2 of them disconnect, I don't think I can lose a single bronze or silver game. But it's a hard elo to pass as it's the elo where you litterally start. Meaning that when you do something wrong, it's really hard to understand what you do wrong + people don't watch replay, to compare with what you do Sinerias and realise that no, they didn't finish their 2nd and 3rd full clear but roam around, waste time xp and gold.
Bronze is all about full clearing
I’m in diamond to low masters and I don’t see a difference between gold and emerald. Started silver with a new account and games are literally harder than on my D4 account.
Maybe it’s Smurf queue but they play just like emeralds
@@yournemesis192 careful with the split, a lot of plat, emerald are still silver/gold at the moment. This 2nd split is weird but if you check your opponent/allies, most of them will have been plat/emerald on previous split/season
Wonderful video! Thank you so much Sinerias
Amazing as always. As low elo player myself when I lost drake, or die I just get mad on myself, forget which camps I just cleared, then I tilt myself even more I wasted my time, then sometimes I try to invade enemy camps on that side if they are empty I am mad, if I die while invading then I feel completely washed up. I don't know what and why I am doing this. The only thing that can help me to return focus is my teammate did some epic play won 1 vs 3, get triple kill, and my brain again started to work. Otherwise, I am lost. At 24:30 when you said even if you die it is fine death. I know how exactly how I feel. I would feel me as only one who have kills died, gave shutdown and I did not get objective. I just did not get it why is "good" to die there if that happens?
I guess dying there Is fine because he already got 5 grubs out of 6, he has Great lead on enemy jungler, and mainly because ksante Lost more than 1 wave worth of exp and Gold Just to go there and even if he gets the kill it's really not worth. Also Sinerias knows perfectly how to play and keep the lead even if he dies once or twice, because he has a challenger knowledge and a strong mindset which most of bronze players don't have, as you also said
The game was terrible, but the death would be fine because of the outcome -> 1death for 3 grubs and wave. In league you should always think like this
So basically why is that death fine is simple as he said he cleared all his camps, and tryed to fight for that objective while enemy toplane is losing whole wave of xp, even if sinerias dies there he doesn’t lose anything in tempo he anyways need to recall and get item after that void grubs and then just continue farming. Bad deaths are the onese where you die in early game and you didnt clear your camps.
Ty for replies guys. All of you
It's a fine death because of the following:
- He already ganked toplane and scored a kill
- He shoved the wave into the enemy tower, so the enemy top laner is losing farm (gold + xp)
- The enemy toplaner ignored the shoved wave and went in a straight line to score a kill, so he's losing way more farm than he should
- Amumu already had the grubs buff
A kill is only 300g, that's 3 waves worth. The wave he shoved into the tower was worth a little over 200g. The next wave that arrived was worth over 100g.
That's basically a kill worth of gold AND extra XP Ksante gave up because he wanted a kill. A kill doesn't grant you the same amount of XP that 3 minion waves does.
IF Ksante scored a kill, he would gain a bounty because Amumu had 4 kills in a row. He would gain way more gold that the shoved wave he ignored. However, a kill is never garanteed, there's only a chance you'll score a kill; farm, however, is always garanteed.
You only leave your lane when your wave is shoved, that occupies the enemy laner because he can't afford to lose farm. That applies for Recall, Objectives and Roaming.
When you shove your wave, you apply pressure. When you apply pressure, you can use that pressure to occupy your enemy and either score a kill on him (minions aggro on enemies if they attack you), take a turrent plate (minions under turret allows you to do more damage and they also apply damage) or leave your lane to do whatever.
All in all, it's almost never a good idea to leave your lane when you have a shoved enemy wave.
i feel like the people making these posts are the same people that invade with no prio in their lanes and then complain and flame their laners for not rotating
Honestly you don't need prio to invade. I ignore it because a lot of the time people don't even help you even if you have prio and I'm in gold. Just keep track of the jungler
@@OverlordAshley i mean yea in gold you can probably get away with that very easily and find success. I’m talking about the most “optimal” way to play. Obv mileage varies from game to game but on average my point remains valid and in general the “correct play”
The reveal of the elo at the end of the video is insane. You actually are an amazing teacher! Thank you for all your educational content you’re the GOAT of jungle coaching
As someone who was stuck in iron/bronze for 3 seasons and who recently promoted to emerald, I can confidently say that this advice will absolutely get you out of bronze.
All you have to do in bronze is play 1-2 champs (preferably full clear champs), focus on your clear/optimizing your speed and don’t overplay on ganks.
That’s literally it. Don’t force plays. Focus on your clear every base/clear the same way every game/optimize your clear and gank on the way or at the end of your clear.
You will lose some games sure. But you will absolutely win more than you lose.
I wanted to come back from my previous comment and say this. Today I tried exactly what is shown on the video with xin as my champ and the games are far easier. Honestly i am stoned from this. It really works. Ty man
jungle is the strongest it has ever been in my opinion. The reason is the xp buff to camps, it is preaty easy to keep the same level as the solo laners and the one and a half minute earlier level 6 feels real good
I think especially right now just full clearing is insane, if low elo players grasp things like jungle tracking and taking enemy camps you will 100% just climb to emerald low without being very proactive (in terms of ganking a lot and capitalizing on summs, ults etc)
naaaaah, but what about those games where all 3 lanes are 0/5 by 6 mins, those games happen all the time for me
Getting stuck in bronze is a case of a dog chasing its own tail. You won't learn from randomised outcomes (in Bronze people don't make good decisions and don't execute well). Focusing on 1vs9 is a means to an end. Once you reach a rating at which people start to make good decisions and execute decently, then you can begin to learn from teamplay. What that rating is exactly depends on the individual.
after playing top for 10+ years and playing some jgl recently (not in bronze, but emerald so idk if its different) it feels like i have 200 times more agency over the course of the game. Toplane is like watching a game compared to jungle for real. Jgl is definitely the most efficient role to climb by far (maybe aside from support but only dia+)
My biggest gripe with low elo as a jungler is even when my lanes have priority. They don't help take objectives or in fights in the river. It's really irritating.
I used to think it was impossible too. I climbed out of bronze and now im struggling in silver 4 - 3. Is wot it is just keep playing.
Genuine question. Highest i ever hit was Gold at one point, and I stopped playing ranked a while ago. What do you do in the lower ELOs when you're relatively consistently winning lane, but almost every other lane is losing? For instance, last game I played I was doing pretty fine. Something like 2/1 with 70 cs at like 9 minutes. Top lane died 2 or 3 times before I ever even did my first clear. Bot lane died twice before 4 minutes. Top ended the game like 1/10 with an absurdly low cs value and no complete item, and bot ended like 6/12. I can generate an advantage, but I can't consistently generate enough of an advantage to combat an early fed carry. What do?
Edit for clarity: 90% of the like 12 kills the top and bot had were solo, no jungler.
Play for numbers advantage and punishing enemy mistakes. That's about it
I switched from top to jungle and climbed out of bronze immediately. It's the easiest to climb with because your farm is trivial, you can get make an impact in every lane, and you can help with every objective. It's so much easier.
just saw this video, can confirm even though im a top laner, if you mute and JUST focus on fundamentals like CS, properly helping team and where to go if your team is inting, youll climb much faster.
Sinerias I love how you make things simple, I'm a toplaner, I watch you not only to learn a bit of jungle, but also to learn to play around my jungler, and help him get ahead instead of spamming jungle Diff 😅
Insane video! Well done i sended it to a couple of friends allways coping their team lose their games xd
Much like chess, tempo and positioning are more important than taking pieces. Farm > objectives > turrets >kills - there is variance, however and you will get rng’d.
I watched the video, queued up for a game went on 10,5cs/min 😀 crazy even tho im also using your course but i was struggling a bit and it showed me how easy the game can be.
game is easy
Man. I love your commentary. I needed this video too. Thank you man.
The plot was crazy xD gg wp didnt saw that comming
i appreciate your content, so id like to give some input that may help you grow. to say something is easy can be demeaning. its kinda like well you should obviously already know x y z. i want to mention many things u do in ths is not 'easy'. just atching ur first gank in 1, ur movement is built on hundreds of hours of practice. u dont walk into tower, u know when and why to turn. u bait out their abilities etc. there was a lot you did there the average bronze wouldnt know. i agree with idea to simplify it , go scuttle to scuttle but what ur doing is skilled even if you're trying to simplify it. i saw this in another video too and thought it was worth bringing up. ill be watching more stuff, thanks again for it!
Only have party chat available from settings. So you dont have to mute all all games.
31:40
Took me a while to figure out that the laning phase isn't that important, and that if you have good vision and map awareness mid game, you can turn a losing laning phase into a stomp if you choose good fights.
I have 2 accounts on KR, main is Gold 2 with a winrate of betweenn 60-70% with Yi main. Second account with at 40% win rate on bronze 2. I think the biggest issue, is NOT that we don't know how to play. The biggest issue is when we know what the "correct" thing to do is, however 3 or 4 of our team mates do not, and they hard feed from the early early game. If you're clearing your path towards top, and you ping your teammates that enemy jungler is going to gank them, and they ignore you with less than 5% HP left and their line is already pushing into the enemy tower with absolutely no reason to be in lane anymore, and they continue to feed enemy bot lane (who will be a heavy CC comp) and/or jungler, and your OTHER lanes are doing the same stupid things to go 0-4 within the first 5-6 minutes, then it becomes nearly impossible.
In silver or gold elo, I will have at least 1 or 2 people that will play with me, and that's when I can force carry games. But with 4 braindead people, that's when it truly starts getting frustrating and you ponder your life choices, and wonder why you're wasting brain cells playing this cancer of a game.
At 8:11 you mention numbers advantage. There's something about Korean bronze players where they will ALWAYS 1v2 when they are losing, but as soon as your team groups up and YOU have a numbers advantage, they stay back and do not use any skills. It's a very, very strange phenomena, and it blows my mind.
16:34 - This has got to be the best performing bronze team I've EVER seen, something that I can only experience once in every 30 or 40 games in bronze. Gold elo is so much more fair and evenly matched.
Just got back from a bronze game. Bot team threw the whole game, then force ff'ed because I wouldn't gank their lane when their HP was at below 25%, with enemy comp being hard CC support and super fed Caitlyn lol.
you are making MAD excuses.
this looks a lot like a certain Couch Curtis's thumbnail and video title.....
It's always easier to climb when your rank is much higher than the rank you're playing at. Some roles and champs might really be hard for people worth only 1 league above.
it's actually much harder to do this player vs. monster thing, I tried a few times in the practice tool and always come out a few seconds later then you do it.
This is my first season jungling. I left placements in gold. I am LOST on how people are in bronze. All I do is farm and get objectives. I end almost every game 100+ CS above the other jungler, 6 grubs and dragon soul. Its so gratifying to see someone higher ranked than me preaching my philosophy.
Your lost on how your team can leave you to solo all those objectives you're supposedly always getting? Cause as jg I can outlevel/cs my opponent no problem. I can't stop my teammates from throwing the other team catch up gold over and over while being dead and losing map pressure/vision. I love these comments. *I got to win my matches and climb, why can't everyone?* Yeah, imagine if everyone was allowed this level of success. A sample size of even 50-100 matches in bronze would barely scratch the surface of what people are dealing with. And since we know streamers for any game get better luck/results in their gameplay to keep it interesting....well.. I'll just say the teams I get aren't what you were given buddy. It wants me to carry WAY harder than this.
In a usual game
9:10 bear is pushing like no tommorrow. He gets ganged by brand and flames.
10:30 sylas ky in tower you dont get assist, he dies. Flames you
11:00 your bot dies, both of them. They flame you.
12:30 you try take voidgrubs and you are getting ganged by fed top and middlane. You die. At the same time brand gets free dragon
My point is that you can teach in a game where you win 3-2. How about 4-0?
This is the best guide i have watched won straight 5 games with nocturne bronze lobby started playing last month.
How to win low elo basically farm diff
+ you are so right to fight the... 1v9 ridiculous mentality that is : if you can't 1v5 you loose.
No, no, you loose if you play alone and try to 1v5.
I'll put it this way: The most misunderstood hero in the iron, bronze, even silver league is Karthus... Always accused of not actively engaging in fights, just because he clears his jungle...
And at the same time is one of the top banvans in the higher leagues.
Before Kartus was recognized as a jungler, I loved playing him there and if I was allowed mid. This is my main mid character.
But... Those basic things you showed, it's really hard for a lot of people to understand because they feel under pressure while playing and they can't abstract and just do their job!
As a non-adc only player, mostly because of my in-game environment, no other reason, I dare say that people under stress lose their real judgement, and almost every game that classifies people into leagues shows it.
Of course, the imago and the physical element in two parts…
Is the hardware and internet connection capable of responding on time (This far exceeds even the gold league)
The knowledge of what is required of you! I have demonstrated it with a purposely imposed lag of 200 milliseconds ;)
I hope they learn something from you
IMO (jungle main here), jungle is the easiest role to climb up to plat/emerald with.
You don't need to understand match ups so much. There isn't as much variability b/c you can PVE a lot and take the momentum of the game into your own hands. Unlike in laning where if you take one bad trade, you can be stuck under tower or at the mercy of your/enemy jungler.
Just put together a list of what to do in sequence and literally just follow that list. You can learn to adapt it to situations later.
This list will probably get you to around minute 14 when Rift Herald spawns. Then it isn't as set in stone.
If you follow this list over and over and over (20 games?), you'll start to feel the rigidity of it and get a sense of when you can adapt.
If you are going to prioritize ANYTHING, just farm your camps.
Then, understand your champion. Following Sinerias advice, pick one champion. Spend time in practice tool with it.
Want an extra challenge? Turn the setting on to hide UI, get comfortable with just your champion. Try to get a feel for when cooldowns are up
without needing to look.
Before you play any games each day, just spend 30 minutes in practice tool being creative. Maybe practice how fast you can clear starting at red or at blue.
Maybe practice combos on a target dummy, doing the same combo five times, restarting the count if you mess it up.
Do a combo slow, then do it fast. What happens if you wait a few moments in between each skill, can you chain together another combo?
TL;DR - Build your instinct, then you won't have to think so much. The "steps" are easily copied from watching a pro like Sinerias. Stop thinking so hard. Build yourself guidelines.
Another tip: In practice tool, try to do your whole clear without looking (as much as possible). If you can accomplish this, then imagine how much you could be watching the minimap while you clear.
Even if you don't take action to map info, you can:
1. danger ping for your teammates (who in bronze, definitely aren't looking at the map)
2. ping wards for your team
3. see where the enemy jungler is
4. build muscle memory b/c you aren't watching your champion all the time
Playing PVE when the enemy toplaner is at your T3 with 2lvl lead, genius
@@SeafightLeRoiTitanthat happens in a minority of games
Muting chat is an absolute must. You will still get hard flamed even of you are playing absolutely perfect. Low elo players are a different breed
just made it into emerald for the first time, but as support. there I usually accept, that a 0/8 toplane will loosing mid will loose me the game, because even a full team can kill a fed tham kench or similar tank. even if my ADC is 8/0 as well, its incredibly hard. but I can still win the other 8-9 games.
A lot of people including myself complain about climbing when they don't realize we're just bad at league. You have to go like 80-90% to climb up to platinum lol
u can go 55% and go up to platinum even 51% it depends how long it will take and from how far u are climbing
I don't play jungle, but I 100% agree with what you are saying. There is a notion that "some accounts are just hardstuck" or "I'm in losers queue" or "if you take a high elo player, even they can't climb on my account." The bull crap and utter nonsense in that line of thinking is mind boggling. It's like these players are flailing on their backs in a pig pen claiming that they are stuck in quick sand. Take some accountability. Your teamates are not the reason you are in a specific elo. Focus on your gameplay because that is the only metric that you can reliably account for. Fundamentals, clearing/wave states, champ mastery, matchup understanding, win cons, ect, ALL of these are in your control. Some games you will win easily, aka your team just stomps. Some games you will lose easily, aka your team feeds. It's up to each player how they decide to respond. Pointing the finger at someone else or Riot as a whole is the weakest mindset and only perpetuates this mind virus that is plaguing the game. Sorry for the rant, but I'm tired of people not taking an ounce of responsibility in this game. It's easy to continue in the cycle of "my team is always bad, enemy team always is better." It's difficult to put the onus on yourself and be critical of your mistakes.
Fortunately this came is based off a lot of RNG in ranked and you do have teammates who completely waste your time. I can accept this and I can just keep doing what I have to do and going to next game but when I have a 54% winrate and my ADC or top has a 10% winrate I'm essentially down a teammate lol
@@TheGizmo360 Your team mates winrates don't matter. Every game you get 4 random team mates and 5 random enemies you are the only consistent factor in all your games. The outcome of any one game is entirely irrelevant to climbing you are playing for the long run so if you are consistently out preforming other people in your games you will climb over time it's that easy you just need to put in enough games.
very well said
@@darkcircle899 of course your teammates WR matter. Someone with a 50% win rate should not be partnered / in the same rank as someone with a 10% WR. The whole idea that you have to put in a certain amount of games to get your true rank is fucking bullshit and they do that to probably make you play more. The ranked system/ matchmaking should be better because that brings in way too much rng and creates an unfair advantage for the other team.
@@TheGizmo360 Nope wrong again! If someone has a 10% winrate and they're in your game that means they started higher than you are now so they're going back down. Also the "idea" of having to play more games isn't made by Riot it's a mathematical reality. You're sill is where you maintain a 50% winrate so if you have an over 50% winrate you are lower than you can be. In order to get to your equilibrium you have to climb and if you have just over a 50% winrate that will take a long time. if you have a 52% winrate in 100 games you're only positive 2 which is like 40LP so you have to put in hundreds or thousands of games to climb higher it's just math.
Title should be "I played a single bronze game so i know the bronze experience better than you"
I escaped bronze quite a few times and it became super easy once I stopped letting my teammates dictate how I play. They spam ping so I'd go against my intuition, they flame me for not ganking unfavorable times so I force a gank etc... if you wanna get better u gotta get comfortable with your teammates flaming you
For those who are in iron, bronze or even silver and feel like they can't climb up you just go up and down I can offer this advice to possibly free you from this 'teams are bad' mindset. I've played the game for 12 years with large gaps in playing ranked so I've played all over the ranks (below diamond). I've at times for years been heavily involved in ranked, watching LCS and analyzing the game and other times where I only played casually and not even touch ranked for years. Haven't been in bronze much at all but when I was placed there I quickly climbed to silver.
Think about your losses if you understand the game. Instead of blaming teammates who messed up or fell behind reflect about how the game went from early-late and ask yourself a couple questions. If the game was even or I was ahead, did I do enough to carry? Or if your team was behind 'was I one of the reasons we fell behind?' Try to identify the main reasons for the loss (I emphasize NOT WHO MADE the GAME LOSING PLAY I'm talking all mistakes throughout the whole game). Also, if you were late in the draft, did I pick a champion that synergized with our team comp? Its not as important as decision-making in-game however if you're last pick top and your team has jinx, soraka, master yi and zed, locking in yasuo instead of a tank and/or ap champ like rumble or malphite lowers your chance of winning the game right at the start because that comp is unbalanced and makes teamfights or late game in general difficult to win.
If you take an honest look at your role in the lost game if you just went even and had an average impact on a close game you can't really complain at a loss even if one of your teammates made the game losing play. If you were the only one who got an early lead, did you snowball or throw away your lead needlessly? You should've been able to do more to bring your team into a winning position hence deserving to climb. And if you lost early game solo, made poor calls or plays that resulted in you or teammates dying or falling behind you definitely can't blame teammates for the loss.
A common victim mentality are laners complaining that they are getting camped. Yes it is a mechanic of the game that can keep 1 player down; however if you know you're getting camped after the 2nd gank you can adapt your playstyle, play safe under turret and stop dying or at least make them dive for it. If you learn to play dives well you can even get kills on the enemy team which really puts them behind.
If you feed the enemy jungler 4-5 kills from ganks and the enemy team snowballs off that, its mostly your fault. Its very hard for your jungler to keep up pressure when you're dying so often to the enemy jungler. It basically means the enemy team has to be as bad at surviving ganks as you are and they have to get 5 gank kills to compensate which doesn't often happen. I play a lot of jungle and I've had games where my team died to 3 ganks before even my first clear was done and the enemy jungler starts 2/0/1. It puts your jungler in a very bad position and its hard to take any ganks or objectives proactively after that since the other jungler and 1-2 lanes are ahead now. Remember, if you died to that many ganks early, you can't put all the blame on your jungler later in the game for being 'gapped' or out pressured, I see this all the time. If your team fed the enemy jungler by dying to practically every gank they tried in the early game its mostly your laners' fault, do not blame the jungler.
I don't necessarily think Jungle is weak, or in a bad spot, but I do think it feels bad to play, or rather I should say demanding. It requires the most constant awareness of where you're needed and what you can get away with doing or not doing. And if your lanes refuse to rotate to help if you get invaded early, or to assist with objectives you just lose games.
It's happened multiple times (mind, these were all on the same season of Ranked, all within about 2 months of one another when I tried to climb near the end of Season 11) where I take one kill from my ADC during a gank and they just mental boom and either AFK, start feeding, or follow me around the map to steal my camps. Multiple instances of this in a relatively short period. Demotivated me to play Ranked.
Every role has its problems, but carrying as a Jungler feels *very* dependent on how well the rest of your team plays when compared to Mid or ADC
Lol you have the exact same title as Coach Curtis' video. Maybe you go into why but I just found that funny.
my own personal experience climbing on an account I leveled myself to 30 then hit ranked all the way up to plat only to fall back down to silver due to int feeding team mates, every role can carry, even enchanter support as long as one of your team mates do not int.
1 game doesn’t mean anything. People who are actually bronze can win bronze games because league isn’t going to let the algorithm let them lose every single game.
Dude it's copium. I can hop into bronze and get gold in a day and I'm only emerald.
@@evanthegreatgamer4956 same lol. im gold 1 on my main. hopped into an old smurf that was in bronze and got to gold 5 on a role i dont usually play. im bad at the game, but for bronze all you need to do is autoattack hit your spells and braindead push sidelanes lmfao
Thank you! This video helped me get my priorities straight while jungling
What I've learned in bronze is full insecurity, you will have full counters lose lane, absolutely no vision and then random cracked vision on the lane u have prior in its just a complete roll of the dice.
I agree with everything in this video but I will say this: just like there are games in higher elo that you cannot win bronze will have a few of those as well. 100% WR in bronze is impractical, of the ~25 games that you play in bronze you’ll have at least one where the adc or top lane refuses to play
game is still winnable even if u have 1-2 afk teammates
The goat thanks for the coaching!
Meanwhile, Tarzaned in Challenger still complaining about Jungle being weak. Personal accountability is not something you ever really find in league players.
When WW and Yi are on level with other chars, then everyone else cries. My ranking in Iron keeps going down no matter how much I improve. After I've had a good game the match system rewards me with a special "regarded" team. Often I'm literally expected to carry 4 people. Many times it feels like I''m top or 2nd player on my team and lower skill than EVERY player on the other team. How can I climb like this.
I did exactly and only this for the last ~1,5 years and I climbed to master. If anyone has any doubts - it really is that easy.
Whenever im doing a climb from low elo, i only queue for JG, nothing else. I have wayy much more impact and carry potential playing JG than any other role
In my opinion jungle is the strongest game controller, focus weak side and dominate 1-2 Lanes. Scale properly and win the game.
brother, one thing u gotta know teach us well, what to do when we are getting invades all the time
like the enemy voli clears ur jungle after an invasion and killing you, so whats next? u invade back? u go objectives?
they are everywhere
whats the plan there?
I'm gold and even I can climb out of bronze in a few days reliably. I do mute people at the first bad ping and I do agree that this season took away a shortcut to snowball with the Herald changes. On the other hand the latest xp change increased the ability to create leads with good pathing and decision making.
As a Master jungler myself, I didn't understand if your plan is to perma farm jungle. That you decided to buy cdr book first back instead of the attack speed item wich makes ur clear way faster. I guess the difference is small, but huge for bronze players.
Master jgler? Cap.
Those differences, the small ones, matter more the higher up you go, not the lower. A true master player knows this.
"Basic stuff" then proceeds to say, "I noticed he used his Q and that's why I turn" lmao. A lot of bronze play locked screen or once focused on an obj they don't look back to where they just were.
the thumbnail is spot on xDDD
Sinerias, you are absolutely my favorite person in the League of Legends community. if it wasn't for your positivity and wisdom, I would have surely quit playing this game.
This is how i left bronze years ago as a jungle main:
Pick Kayn or Shyvana
Farm your camps
Farm the enemy camps
Farm your dead teamates minions
Repeat steps 2-4
I climbed from bronze to gold without learning how to gank, that speaks volumes as to how bad i really was vs how good i thought i was.
"I played 1 game in bronze" lmfao.
Honestly this kinda dumb. .. " if you play for both scuttles and then do chickens and krugs, you should always be out cs'ing your enemy jungle and have 100% win rate." Lmfao like what? I regularly have to either fight for scuttle, or forgo them all together because my laners have no priority and enemy laners are collapsing on me... Over fucking scuttle. That's a bad sign... Because then you most likely have to start giving up grubs and dragons too. ... Are there plenty of games where I get full clear both scuttles and then a return run on chickens and krugs? Sure .. but then the same thing can end up just happening... Your team has no Lane priority and you start trying to get objectives and you go from being like 3/0/3 ... To 3/2/3 because enemy team is playing around objectives and your team simply isn't. .. they stay in lane 24/7 and aren't even out ca'ing the enemy team who is roaming. .. and I get it. You have to make the choice to give up objectives and just farm and hope that you scale and have some good team fights later... The point is when you do this the other team just continues to gain an advantage over the one they already have by winning their Lanes and you're sitting there struggling to even keep up with their level and CS. Sure you can come back from games like this sometimes. But to say that you should have a 100% win rate in bronze by doing basic plays is just patently false. The only way you are winning many games in bronze is if you play perfectly and then carry team fights around the enemies mistakes. ... Easier said than done. You have to figure out how your team is playing wrong and then try to predict the enemy's plays and exploit it.
Even getting people to guard or Ward your topside jungle is a f****** 50/50 chance... And people regularly try to invade and steal your cs in bronze.
Teaching junglers to ignore calls and early game bad matchups... Have fun getting stuck in silver instead of bronze.
if u are able to full clear u can do the next step to get better
Anyone lower than emerald doesnt have the right to be listened to
jungle should mute all and gank what he sees best
bro i just watched this video and didnt expect anythiing from it, i tought hmm.. imma try this that just farming thing and damm, my team were hard losing i was just farming and taking most obvious ganks. we won i got 277cs and enemy jg was 212cs. tysm for that video this helped me alot.
and + i got s+ in that game :)
I was a long time bronze/silver player, Grand Master Challenger in season 3, but rest of the season i was stuck in bronze/silver, then this season i got placed in Emerald, no issue playing here, seems to me it was Bronze skill level to me, ofc there is a little more macro and more CS but people do the same mistake in plays and some people dont ward at all, now i am stuck here :) not getting younger and i am not delusional about my skill level, i am not young anymore.
Sinerias great video. But as someone who recently climbed from Iron 1 to silver 1 this split fairly fast playing jungle. One thing you're ignoring is that you do run into about 30-40% of games that are often unwinnable. Especially if you play passive like you are in this video. If everyone else loses lane it is often just unwinnable late game, or if one enemy gets so far ahead for example. Also keep in mind, even if you're "playing worse". You can always lean on your "challenger" ability for either game knowledge, macro and mechanics at any point, for example if someone does a play that is at an emerald level you can easily already know what to do and decide to do if you want to with your already challenger ability. So even if you don't do optimal plays. You ignore the bad ones and are probably playing better than most Gold players in the late game while in bronze for example and how you counter jungle knowing where the enemy jungler will be. As you know how to control win conditions much better than 99.9% of players.
I think the most annoying thing about low elo as a jungler especially if those games where you try your hardest, you get fed even, you almost carry your team but still lose due to 1-2 bad players inting. So it would be interesting if you showed a game where you actually lost in low elo, and unwinnable one. Though I know you often go for 100% winrate challenges. Just realise that is not possible for most players.
I would also say you underestimate the amount of games where your whole team can get behind, like your second game in low elo. It's not that it's every game, of course not. But it's that it's like 1/10 games. People coin flip a lot. And almost every other game you have someone who's inting their lane and can't help but keep dying over and over. Leading to at least one enemy you cannot fight.
Lastly, as a briar player with an almost 70% winrate in silver 1, soon to be low gold. I do definitely have a hard time on that champ as opposed to Diana, with actually having low deaths like you say. Of course, some games I do, but my overall KDA is lots of deaths but even more kills... So maybe I need to learn to know when to play more passive in some games. Though, I am not of the belief that anyone is hardstuck or losers queue like some. I think it is just quite unfun to lose games you can't win, and how toxic the player base is. It can make you yourself become toxic too, or just not speak. Especially as jungler with people who are either blind or blaming you for them losing lane on their own.
Alot of high elo players tend to forget that the vast majority of Iron and Bronze players dont just have bad fundamentals. There are things that you do with muscle memory that you cant force yourself not to do. He was watching the minimap like a hawk for instance (while he wasnt panning his camera he knew Talon and Katarina were fighting and chose to ignore it. A bronze player wouldnt even be aware that the fight happened at all until they were flame pinged.) He kites the camps in the direction he wants to go while killing it a Bronze player wouldnt do that thus slowing their clears and possible plays down by alot (he does this even passed his first clear and is constantly doing it). He knows what every champion in the game can do to a basic/advanced level alot of Bronze players dont have a clue what some champions kits are. He knows roughly that if he has a completed item and more levels then his opponents he can win most fights a bronze player wouldnt even think about comparing items and levels before fighting leading to bad fights and deaths. Even though he is ignoring macro plays he cant stop his crisp movements and mechanics in micro fights (while Amumu isnt a hard champion this guy isnt throwing Q's wider then a livestock barn and missing his opponents cause his mouse was in the wrong spot for instance.) This video id say is more geared for Silver-Plat players then Bronze and Iron level players.
@@gyranix so true
TIL that if you actually play with bronze teammates they wont be good enough to pull their heads out of the tilt. Most will just keep doubling down on being mad and feeding thus giving you no chance.
Gotta say, while I agree with the "if youre not getting out of bronze you are too bad, not your teammates", a 1 death per minute game is not as rare as youd think. They are more in the range of 20% - 30% of the games. Obviously still, if you loose only these, then you have a 70% to 80% winrate, which will get you out of bronze asap.
people forget: bronze is the pool of smurfs. therefore if one hasnt been higher than bronze its hard to recognize it and climb out. Climb only by performance.
it is not the pool of smurfs
play alone and play 100 games and u will see that if u lose a game now cuz they have smurfs over 100 games u will get more smurfs in your team and u will have a 55% winrate over those 100 games, same thing to 0/20 bot if u play they will also have it, just focus on your play and dont get mad and u will climb
they aren't smurfing they're as bad as you. I can have a 95% winrate with briar top (I main it and learned the match ups so ye) but fr most of them aren't good. Like I had a 40% winrate lee sin legit turbo smurf the game with 16/4 after 1 top while killing the enemy jungler. Most of his other games he hard ints but here he dove everyone on the map.
Nah all of you mfs just bronze.
Trust me bro there are no smurfs in todays bronze. There is a thing called smurfqueue and it is extremely effective. Im like E2/E1 mmr player on Euw and I made a new account to try the mmr reset mechanic to climb faster and reach dia. Strictly through playing normals I was playing in eme-dia lobbies by level 10 💀
all i did was full clear with shyvana and i was able to hit high emerald as someone who does not play jg at all. its true u can climb jsut by full clearing and being strong for big fights off cs
his bot lane score is not 0/20 so not bronze.
I am bronze silver player. After i started to watching the Sinerias videos i started to climb.Last night i plyed a game in siver elo where all lines were losing hard .Enemy jungler was Emerald smyrfing.And miracle happened. Me bronze player destroyed the enemy team and smurf jungle (Kayn)with master Yi 27/4 -3 levels ahead ,the highest CS .Total domination. I amagine what will hapen if i buy the paid course 😅
I struggle with teammates, that dont want to gank me, because I main a champ "that doesnt require skill", like yeah Darius is very easy to play or "Why did you pick first then?". Man everyones below 100 IQ in bronze, just saying build anti heal 2nd item is a pure insult.
the issue is the LP. i had a 70%wr over 100 games and i still never got out of bronze. how does that ever make sense
I will say I agree that you can climb especially out of bronze and silver if you are not bad but you can't deny that jg has just gotten harder over these past 3 years due to nerf 3 years in a row but that does mean you just need to adapt to the new playstyle that isn't truly new you just cant play as reckless as you used to
The idea of elo hell is an idea not grasped easily. I have climbed my way up from Iron IV to Silver something once, and I can't seem to do it again. I play Sion top. For a long time, I haven't really enjoyed the game and of course, after Baus, I picked up on Sion and now I'm fairly enjoying the game. He's a chill champion and I can find a good balance between inting and not inting for me to reliably win my lane. I played my placements game today after having dropped league for a while, and out of 5 games, I lost 4. Back to back. I only won one, because I killed my enemy laner once and he went afk. But all the other times, I lost without a say in the game. We had stats over on the enemies side like 30 kills, little to no deaths. Of course it's easy for a Challenger to climb. Of course it's especially easy for a challenger with a role that affects the game mostly. But what if I don't aim for challenger? I aim for gold or something. When I climbed really hard, out of Iron that I mentioned earlier, I had 60+% win rate on Sion and I was playing almost every game against gold players. So you are telling me, I'm fine with gold players one season, but hardstuck Iron the other? I guess I just had bad luck, but I will have to say that yours is not an accurate representation of the playerbase that really is looking for help.
I agree bronze is easy to escape but there WILL be games where your 3 lanes will feed 10 to 20 kills and you wont be able to keep up with just clearing the jungle.
But those games are only winnable if youre smurfing.
I understand and agree with the concept here, but to say almost no bronze games go that badly is absurd.. at least 1 game a night, and I usually play ~5 a night. One of my lanes will be like 0-7 at 10 min
And I mean AT LEAST, usually 2 or 3 of the games
i think a part of the problem is hes playing lee sin as bronze he doesnt understand the basic foundations of macro and hes playing a highly mechanical champ and its just how are you expected to learn like that
This comment section is so cringe. The only reason you can't climb out of bronze is because you belong there. You're bad. It's really that simple, cope more and stay bad.
If no one tilted and left the game, it wasnt bronze.
Sadly Sinerias I think you are a little bit disconnected from reality. You can only carry these low Elo games if you are DRAMATICALLY better than everyone else. Being slightly better than the Elo you are in, just isn't enough to climb and IF you are an unlucky person, you CAN theoritically get teams that lose in the first few minutes, doesn't matter if you out jungle the enemy jungler when the rest of the lanes are dominating. Sure someone like You, a challenger can do something about it, but even a Plat player like myself will still lose in Bronze lobbies a lot.
His point and advice is still solid. Full clear with easy champs and group with the team will lead u to plat/emerald easily.
Can u lose 5 games in a row? Yes but the more u play while staying consistent the more ur gonna win.
What most people fail to understand in this game is alot of games are a coin flip. If youre playing this game for a while you unsretand the concept of how to play the game. Lets say youre peak is silver and u just cant get past silver. What happens when all the smurfs comes to ur elo and boosters etc. League is great at actaully teaching players on how to get better. And most people just look down on lower elo. I feel like ur gonna feel the same same way in any elo. At least thats how i view it.
I think these are good tips for getting out of bronze, but simply checking laners' hp while waiting for the scuttle goes too far in terms of concepts.