At the height of Stoner's career, he really WAS the best. He won a championship on a Ducati after beating Rossi on his Yamaha. Later Rossi was on a Ducati and Stoner of a Honda. Rossi still couldn't beat him. Rossi is a Legend, no doubt about that. But Stoner was, at the zenith of his career, simply amazing.
At the day when rossi joined Ducati, that Ducati wasn't strong and that was the era where they were changing Ducati and made it worse. The time of stoner the Ducati was a beast, casey was strong only in best bikes. You can see even doviziozo was strong in honda but even doviziozo in Ducati was bad and it was the same bike of rossi which was given to doviziozo and it took almost three years to put that Ducati in fighting for world championship only at 2017 Ducati became the best bike and if rossi had joined Ducati in 2018 may be he would have done the same as casey and for me casey is not that brilliant on late braking and sometimes people think casey beated rossi if rossi overtake him at last lap, you know rossi is a showman and every riders always don't look for trouble and they try to go away one overtake but rossi doesn't go away and he loves to fight and when people see rossi overtaking at last, some people say that rossi is struggling to get past stoner and some people say stoner is fighting back with rossi and stoner for me was best on a best bike and when lorris caoirossi was in Ducati he was very strong as well, he was much more older than stoner and was more aggressive than stoner but not consistent. The bike was competitive so stoner won the championship. I don't like stoner because stoner accuses rossi and tells bad about him in interview and even Marquez doesn't say anything on public. People say rossi can't fight with stoner and stoner beated him and rossi won 2 world championship titles by defeating stoner in 2008 and 2009. Rossi forever and some idiots tells bad about someone if they can't defeat another person or win over another person and still when rossi was with Marquez rossi still came top 3 in world championship with Marquez who was more aggressive and talented than stoner. Casey is nothing infront of marc Marquez anyway.
@@smithvr4669 so 2007 ducati was best machine , ducati which was artisan italian manufacturer was according to you the best in 2007 . According to you ducati of 2007 was making better motoGP bikes than yamaha , a company that has decades of racing pedigree in all the motorsports out there and noobs from italy somehow made better bikes than yamaha???? ..... which conveniently or magically went on to be shit for a good decade as soon as casey left the team , according to your dumbass.
A lot of big egos here, but they had to admit Stoner is always fast, no matter what the conditions. Stoner is always fun to criticize, but the record shows he is one of the fastest men in the history of motorsports.
Casey was interviewed recently April 2022 Gypsy Podcast and was asked what he could have done around the island if he had ever been given the chance to ride his perfect bike qually tyres on the resurfaced Phillip Island circuit and confidently stated that there's a 1:26.00 in it 😮😮😮 Which is fricking mind blowing too bad we will never get the chance to see it. Guys check out the 3 1/2 hour podcast, it's a fantastic interview with plenty of honest conversation. Gypsy GAME✊😎
Yes he is very talented. Getting the championship title in rossi's period is not easy as you think. Honda missed him and we too miss him a lot. He handle the gp bikes in a very different way. and he is the man who rides ducati bike as anyone cant ride like that. Very proud of him. And this appreciation from a die hard Valentino fan #46..........
"He's the best bike with the best rider". Rossi admits, he's always been clear and sincere. I appreciate so much this from Rossi, also, that's why he has always been the greatest in anything he has done. Stoner was terribly strong, this guy must remember this, we've always been loving him when he rode, and he must know we still love him so much, and I pray God he may heal soon. So, best wishes from me and all those you have made happy in watching you ride, and we still thank you and we all have so much care for your health and your wellness at all. Rossi was the greatest at any minute of his career, he won everything remaining humble, fair and sincere. You are two champions, i'm not interested in saying who was the best, Valentino and you deserve only and all the best. Thank you if you both agree, and thank you to all those who can understand what i say.
actually wasn't this a sarcasm ? taking a shot at stoner for having the best bike with electronic assist when in reality with reports stated that stoner is riding with the least electronic assist while he drift through the corner
@@PikeBishop1 the bike was shit it only had outright speed. That's why Rossi couldn't win shit on it and Hayden said he didn't know how Stoner could actually win on it.
Sat on Stoner Corner at the Phillip Island GP in 2012 (his final race there) and he was just in a different league. The only one who was purposely sliding the bike to rotate it in the corner, but also just the sound his bike made compared to everyone else. The revs were higher, you knew it was him coming even when you hadn’t sighted the bike yet.
Remember hating stoner just because he was that good and being a mad rossi fan like most. Now im obsessed with the guy and appreicate him truely for his talents.
actually wasn't this a sarcasm ? taking a shot at stoner for having the best bike with electronic assist when in reality with reports stated that stoner is riding with the least electronic assist while he drift through the corner
@@fedeeeeee it is. Rossi is salty that ducati bike is alot worse than he thought. Rossi add in saying stoner had the best bike which was taking a shot at stoner having a better bike.
@@WestbrickFansGotNoBrains mate you're overreading what he intended to say. The Honda was clearly the best bike and Vale learned the hard way that Casey was the best rider among them
I still go back and watch low quality video of Stoner riding because he is just so crazy-talented and fun to watch. Marquez is a close second for the same exact reasons but Stoner seemed a bit more bad-ass in a way that I really appreciate. I wish he was still racing but it's his life to live.
I watched Casey doing things which seems to be impossible. He revolutionize the riding style in MotoGP along with Jorge Lorenzo. But Casey Stoner is best with his power slide technique and Marquez manages to replicate that technique. I still idolize Casey Stoner it's even written on my helmet.
Please. Stoner maybe is the Greatest ever in terms of pure speed (but they say Hailwood was just the same, and Hailwood was way better than Casey looking at the whole packege), but it didn't invent nothing. Doohan won 5 (and I put the '92 also) 500 world championships riding this way, so did Wayne Rayney, and rear sliding was absolutely normal back in the 500 2t era. And they have (in MotoGP) tc, anti wheel system, and electronic system for the maximum power engine can get in relation of gears. This for the Great Casey. PS Lorenzo? Biaggi did ride like this.
@@toivonencresto please. nobody would dare open throttle and slide through the corners like stoner did on 1000cc until recently with the assist with electronics. mm93 had stoner riding style except mm93 was better at the brakes and stoner is better and controlling the throttle with limited electronics. rossi was doing the same on 500cc bikes back then but he never did so when he went up to 1000cc premier class, not on honda, not on yamaha. it's suicide.
@@toivonencresto and stoner renowned for "turning down the electronics", preferring to ride by the sensitivity in his throttle hand rather than requiring the electronics to control the engine. rossi did similar style in 500cc bikes era but he never did again in 1000cc era until later stage of his career. stoner has been doing it since 2000s when he entered premier class even with the ducati. which is a graveyard for many great riders and world champions. rossi career almost ended with ducati as well. fans like you talk big, saying rossi was sliding in 500cc bike, if stoner can do it on ducati so can rossi. but then rossi was so bad at the same ducati stoner rode. he was achieving same results as his ducati teammates meanwhile stoner is outperforming his ducati teammates by a miles. the moment stoner left ducati he won a title. the modern tech bikes we have today, are pretty much based on achievement stoner-mm93 style of sliding through the corners, higher entry and exit speed while not losing time at the corner with the help of electronics. if you even bother watching rossi and listen to what he said. he changed his riding style so drastically that you thought it was 2 different rider. i have never seen rossi lean so low prior to 2020-21 season.
Ben Spies spot on. "Ive followed you know some of the best and myt not be able to you know replicate what they do that day but I can see and it doesnt blow my mind its just that they are faster than I am and theres no doubt about that but with Casey sometyms he does some things and am like theres no possible way I can even do that....!!!" Couldnt have put it any better.
brianbenl1 i think its like soccer some just dont have the same level of talent even on the highest level they get there because they rich and privileged
Yeah, and the gimmick of the very calm, most technical rider vs the amazingly gifted, bravest racer would have been absolutely fantastic to see. Pesonally, I believe that in 2013 Casey would have won, as Marquez won that WC mostly due to the advantage taken while Lorenzo and Pedrosa had physical problems, as he was not clearly superior to them in pace in most races, but from 2014 I think we'd witness an outstanding battle between these two (with Rossi, Lorenzo and Pedrosa). It's a shame he was depressed and no longer interested in racing due to electronics.
Oh yeah? U seem to know a lot. Would you mind elaborating on how the desmo gp 7 was a superior bike and how it went on to become an inferior bike as time passed? I d like to know. What are these 'Adjustments' that you speak of? Pls, I m all ears...I mean eyes.
passive FIST give Ducati credit. They outdid the Japanese with the new 800 rules. The bike clearly got worse after 2008, by 2010 Stoner struggled with it until Aragon when he found something that allowed him to win the race and then Philip Island. There’s a reason he left and went to Honda after all. The other lesson of MotoGP is that in 2012 with just as good a package he couldn’t beat Lorenzo and Pedrosa. These guys are champions and to pretend that Stoner was some magician in a league of his own isn’t true. That doesn’t mean he wasn’t incredible, he is a two time champion after all.
There’s some head to head battles I would’ve loved to see… Marquez v Stoner Stoner v Doohan Rossi v Doohan Schwantz (on a decent bike) v anyone Gobert (on any bike) v anyone Hailwood v anyone I could do this all day!
...... but what he did was allow the bike to move around under him & that he was just the passinger. He allowed the bike to move as much as it needed to in order to get around a corner the quickest. On a stightly different note, he mentioned that even from his first year on it (07), even though the bike was an absolute rocket in a straight line, he was losing the front (& saving it) anywhere between 3 to 4 times every single lap. Nothing in that respect seems to have changed :( Common Ducati!
For sure Rossi is The Legend and whatever happens always will be, but nowadays, i can say... Rossi is the best "in books, in the numbers" ... Stoner is the best on track! The more skillful rider!
No doubt...he is the greatest...maybe one of the best the world can produce...but who cares anyway, his time has passed...and people dont talk about him anymore...and stoner made his name within rossi's own era...he also made rossi look so little on the ducati...so, just bear with it...
Yes but, The Ducati Stoner was riding, was not the same one that Rossi was using. I would have loved to see Rossi on a Yamaha, during Stoner's Honda years. That would have been epic to see. Simply, Rossi tanked as soon as he switched to Ducati. You still can't argue with his results from 2000-2009/2010. He will always be the best, in my opinion. Stoner on the Honda was just superb.
Only in Motorcycle racing can a rider outperform the machine. Because not many discover the ultimate riding style that Stoner, Marquez, Quartararo and Aleix Espargaro have developed. It's not like car that have simulator to help you develop style, you need to get in the track maybe with dirt bike.
yeah...that's true and many people had forgotten about that...in 2007, the relationship between these two were great until laguna 2008...other riders for sure have a very good talent on a two wheel but stoner's one was outstanding...even rossi himself said that stoner was one level further in terms of skill...
Rossi said in terms of skills. Stoner paved the way for honda and mm93 sliding style. And years on that crappy ducati really trained stoner well to corner
I would have loved to see him ride the 500s He reminds me a bit of Kenny Roberts, the one who popularized rear steer flat track influenced style and Casey who took it too it’s highest level. God Bless……he did, he gave him the talent and then Casey worked hard to use it.
Casey with the last 800cc Ducati did, at Valencia, 1'31.799 in qualifyng (pole), and 1'33.018 during the race (3rd). Rossi the first day of Valencia's test used the 800cc bike, and did a 1:33.882 after 56 laps. Search for it. That's a big difference on THE SAME BIKE, even if it was Rossi's first time on it.
U heard it from de Horses mouth ! if anyone knows it its Vale !! tanks 4 being straight UP ! we all love n respect U even more !!! Have a nice comeback !!
These Rossi idols just see 7 WC's and think that is how greatness is measured. There are a lot of factors to be taken into account in accessing one's ability. Look at Stoner, who Rossi said was the best for a long time. Only 2 titles but was AT LEAST Rossi's equal in my and MOST of the top riders opinion.
Thanks, now I gotta see if i can go find it. There was also a segment last year where they asked the top riders who was there favorites. (this may be a piece of it. . . ) I haven't found it yet
(cont)...luckily, his point already enough to become a champion. and I still thinking what if dani didn't make mistake in Philip island. the outcome would be very very different. at the end of the day, I still salute to Jorge. he's a great guy and his riding style was superbly smooth. very very suit to Yamaha...
BTW, I don't think he's as fast as Stoner, but I just love watching Lorenzo's Alain Prost like racing strategy. He's very similar to Eddie Lawson too. He'll win a bunch of titles IMO. He's also safe as houses and quick enough.
Hi Eellie87. As a fan of both he & Vale, I get what you're saying. Rossi himself admitted to following Casey at times & also watching hours of video footage of him on the big red bike, & he said that as much as he followed & studies him, he just could not replicate Casey's style. Casey said something really interesting recently. He said that the big mistake others were making was that they were trying to fight against the bike, ...... cont'
As far as Vale goes, most of the field also feel that Valentino has the best race-craft overall. I agree with both of those points. Over their career racing each other, Casey wins out on the stats department (head to head) comfortably. In regards to their career records, Valentino comes out on top, but not against each other. These two riders are regarded as the 2 most naturally talented riders as of last year. Pity we won't be seeing the Jorge, Casey, Dani & Valentino show this year, damn it :(
The problem with Stoner is himself, he is not as motivated like other champions to risk and keep fighting. If the dude has Marquez mentality he would be an unbeatable force to be reckoned with.
I agree! Casey Stoner is the best Rider if he like what hr Rides. And he is the only 1 who beat Valentino Rossi fair & square. But Vale Retaliate by his Intelligent riding style.
The drivers have all Recht.Casey Stoner and was a great Rennfahrer.Die dugati he has made for the Champions bike has done before and after him none. My Hochachtung.Selbst seasoned riders like Rossi have a tough time at the dugati the teeth.
Uh.. not Rossi.. I love the guy but he's not even remotely competitive anymore :( Looking more like Edwards at the end of his career trailing in the back. I know Rossi said he's above it, but I'd like him to make a run in WSBK. I feel like it's a good place for fading stars to compete at a high level and have another shot at a championship.
Another rider who doesn't get the kudos he deserves is Jorge. He beat Stoner in 2012 fair and square. Not as quick as Stoner but always seems to manage to get the most from his bike, rarely throws it down the road and gets the job done, which, after all, is what it's all about.
I just imagine if Stoner have a career path like Rossi did ... directly got the fast factory bike ... I thought he will be a real god of motoGP ... and imagine opposite when Rossi started with satellite Honda and then move to Ducati factory Team (we all know the result) ... Do the Honda or Yamaha will got an impression on him ?
I love it how someone like you goes & makes a judgment call on first impressions. I am a Rossi fan (just not a one0eyed one. I have quite a few riders I follow & Vale & Casey are just two of them. Both Vale & Casey have said things they have regretted & both are flawed human beings not gods like some make them out to be. As far as Casey goes, practically the whole field in motogp recognised Casey as having the best throttle response & control & the fastest speed ...... cont'
Casey was incredibly fast, but he was never a complete rider. He could set a blistering time on a bike on a clear rack. Casey never managed to win a dog fight, he couldn't win from anywhere other than pole. He couldn't handle when under pressure. Casey is undoubtedly one of the all time greats, after all he won on two different bikes. I would rate Stoner Above Marquez, it is that he just didn't receive the amount of hype Marquez is receiving now. I would love to see Casey back on Ducati again. I am sure he can win the championship on the new Ducati.
+Sam Rad Have to disagree with that one, No rider can run at the front and pull wins in 125cc or 250cc races without being able to win a "dog fight". Those 125 and 250cc races were always big fights, lots of riders all buying for the same piece of tarmac.
dpisaacs Stoner? He never won a dog fight, not even a single one. In 2007 Rossi beat him in corners for Casey to cruise past Rossi in straights. That was the case for entire 2007. Still, I think he was a great rider.
stoner was bringing a knife to a gunfight. All those "dogfights" he lost? Valentino learned to shut up real quick after a couple laps on the desmodemici
the best rider and the best bike...thats the only way for them to become a champion...u need to be the best and have a complete and perfect bike...and i think except stoner with his brilliant talent...ride around problem they said...
Not trying to get into the argument of who's better, but when did Stoner go back down to the 250 class? He came to the big bikes in 2006 on the LCR Honda, crashed the fuck out of it repeatedly, but showed his potential. 2007-2010 he was with Ducati, 2011 with Honda, then retired.
yeah. agree. Lorenzo is another top rider. but I don't see aura in him. he never face a real challenge. the only outstanding about him is his massive corner speed. and that makes me drop my jaw...
PS. Doohans prime was when he was 27, the year he crashed winning the first 4 races straight and missing most of the second half of the season. Even then, he narrowly lost the title to 3 times (until his tragic accident) world champ Wayne Rainey by a lousy 4 points.
I play motoGP games. Curious about turn 3 Philips Island after watch Gypsy Tales Podcast with Stoner. It said 265 kph. You know what? It is imposibble even in the game. 😂😂😂. I do my best and cant reach 265 kph, trail braking etc etc, even i have best lap among all the rider i cant reach that speed. I tried it most likely 20 times, the best is only 220kph.Fuck this Stoner was insane!!!!
And what about it? It´s not a shame to admit that japanese manufacters are the best making bikes. No other country makes bikes like Japanese. And talk about wins and poles? Look at Rossi´s 2009.. Stoner 3rd. No one denies Stoner is pure talent, but putting him right beside Rossi is a pure dream.
That can't be denied, that's for sure, but as Rossi warns, if the FIM or whoever, doesn't do something about the boring racing, it'll fall by the wayside. They can't go back to 500 2 strokes as that would be an ecological and technological leap backwards.
are you implying that Gibernau and Biaggi had no talent? :D P.S. why would you credit pilots when they recognize Stoner's talent and forget that they recognized Rossi's? Remember that when Stoner won the championhip in 2007 he had a t-shirt printed with: "MY HEROES Doohan Gardner Schwantz Rayney -> Rossi
Stoner is not charismatic person in the MotoGP paddock and that's why I did not like him at all. Always something to complain. But when I look at him as a rider, I can't see anything negative. What he did on the ducati, a bike that no one at that time could handle, was amazing. No one ever came close to that with that bike. He's one of the most talented riders of all time IN MY OPINION. I gained a lot of respect for him as a rider. I get why he's leaving, but it's a shame. I'll miss him in 2013
in what year stoner went back to 250cc from motogp class? as far as I know and the fact that it is fact, he went from 250cc to motogp in 2006 with Honda team, then in 2007 he went to ducati until 2010...in 2011 he return to Honda...
Do you understand what prime means? If somebody rides the bike best when they are 90 years of age that means their prime is at 90. Doohan's prime was achieved when he was 30 and Rossi's prime was when he dominated the MotoGP class. Stoners prime is when he won 2 championships in 5 years where 2 of those years he was beaten by Valentino on the Yamaha. The fact is that Rossi made the likes of Gibernau Barros Biaggi look like losers because he was so dominant.
That is clearly NOT what I said. What I said was "If Rossi hadn't been in MotoGP" which in English means, If he did not ride in the MotoGP championship, OBVIOUSLY someone else would have won championships and those people would have been Barros, Biaggi etc. Sure that lacked consistency to win championships but to say they are slow is ridiculous. All of these have won races on their good days. Ok fine Rossi lost to Hayden in 06. Then guess what? Stoner lost to the guy who lost to hayden in 08 09!
At the height of Stoner's career, he really WAS the best. He won a championship on a Ducati after beating Rossi on his Yamaha. Later Rossi was on a Ducati and Stoner of a Honda. Rossi still couldn't beat him. Rossi is a Legend, no doubt about that. But Stoner was, at the zenith of his career, simply amazing.
You can say that again and be right about it.
At the day when rossi joined Ducati, that Ducati wasn't strong and that was the era where they were changing Ducati and made it worse. The time of stoner the Ducati was a beast, casey was strong only in best bikes. You can see even doviziozo was strong in honda but even doviziozo in Ducati was bad and it was the same bike of rossi which was given to doviziozo and it took almost three years to put that Ducati in fighting for world championship only at 2017 Ducati became the best bike and if rossi had joined Ducati in 2018 may be he would have done the same as casey and for me casey is not that brilliant on late braking and sometimes people think casey beated rossi if rossi overtake him at last lap, you know rossi is a showman and every riders always don't look for trouble and they try to go away one overtake but rossi doesn't go away and he loves to fight and when people see rossi overtaking at last, some people say that rossi is struggling to get past stoner and some people say stoner is fighting back with rossi and stoner for me was best on a best bike and when lorris caoirossi was in Ducati he was very strong as well, he was much more older than stoner and was more aggressive than stoner but not consistent. The bike was competitive so stoner won the championship. I don't like stoner because stoner accuses rossi and tells bad about him in interview and even Marquez doesn't say anything on public. People say rossi can't fight with stoner and stoner beated him and rossi won 2 world championship titles by defeating stoner in 2008 and 2009. Rossi forever and some idiots tells bad about someone if they can't defeat another person or win over another person and still when rossi was with Marquez rossi still came top 3 in world championship with Marquez who was more aggressive and talented than stoner. Casey is nothing infront of marc Marquez anyway.
@@smithvr4669 so 2007 ducati was best machine , ducati which was artisan italian manufacturer was according to you the best in 2007 . According to you ducati of 2007 was making better motoGP bikes than yamaha , a company that has decades of racing pedigree in all the motorsports out there and noobs from italy somehow made better bikes than yamaha???? ..... which conveniently or magically went on to be shit for a good decade as soon as casey left the team , according to your dumbass.
Stoner vs Marquez ... the battles that the fans were robbed of. :(
Robbed indeed, perhaps if Stoner could stay with honda then i doubt Marquez would have been there
If I not mistaken, pedrosa will lost his place to marc. Long time has past, cannot remember exactly.
@@ameerqayyumjahaya3328 no u r wrong
What ever.
Yeah
A lot of big egos here, but they had to admit Stoner is always fast, no matter what the conditions. Stoner is always fun to criticize, but the record shows he is one of the fastest men in the history of motorsports.
put Stoner on a Ducati now,...,and he would still win at Phillip Island!
john smith
he's invincible in there
Yes, you are right. Probably on any other bike as well, not just a Ducati.
He would win there with an r6 lol
Casey was interviewed recently April 2022 Gypsy Podcast and was asked what he could have done around the island if he had ever been given the chance to ride his perfect bike qually tyres on the resurfaced Phillip Island circuit and confidently stated that there's a 1:26.00 in it 😮😮😮
Which is fricking mind blowing too bad we will never get the chance to see it. Guys check out the 3 1/2 hour podcast, it's a fantastic interview with plenty of honest conversation.
Gypsy GAME✊😎
@@joshbrookes6439 just came here sort hearing him talk about his techniques. He was awesome to watch on the Ducati.
Yes he is very talented. Getting the championship title in rossi's period is not easy as you think. Honda missed him and we too miss him a lot. He handle the gp bikes in a very different way. and he is the man who rides ducati bike as anyone cant ride like that. Very proud of him. And this appreciation from a die hard Valentino fan #46..........
"He's the best bike with the best rider". Rossi admits, he's always been clear and sincere. I appreciate so much this from Rossi, also, that's why he has always been the greatest in anything he has done. Stoner was terribly strong, this guy must remember this, we've always been loving him when he rode, and he must know we still love him so much, and I pray God he may heal soon. So, best wishes from me and all those you have made happy in watching you ride, and we still thank you and we all have so much care for your health and your wellness at all. Rossi was the greatest at any minute of his career, he won everything remaining humble, fair and sincere. You are two champions, i'm not interested in saying who was the best, Valentino and you deserve only and all the best. Thank you if you both agree, and thank you to all those who can understand what i say.
Stoner at honda: the best rider on the best bike
Stoner at ducati: the best rider on the drag bike
Rossi" He is the best rider on the best bike." When he was on a slow bike he still won a world title. He was the fastest that ever lived.
The duc was not 'slow'.. The main thing it had going for it was outright speed.
actually wasn't this a sarcasm ? taking a shot at stoner for having the best bike with electronic assist when in reality with reports stated that stoner is riding with the least electronic assist while he drift through the corner
@@PikeBishop1 the bike was shit it only had outright speed. That's why Rossi couldn't win shit on it and Hayden said he didn't know how Stoner could actually win on it.
Stoner was not on a slow bike in 2007, Rossi was on a slow bike in 2004
That Ducati was everything but slow
Sat on Stoner Corner at the Phillip Island GP in 2012 (his final race there) and he was just in a different league. The only one who was purposely sliding the bike to rotate it in the corner, but also just the sound his bike made compared to everyone else. The revs were higher, you knew it was him coming even when you hadn’t sighted the bike yet.
Perfectly said. He's unquestionably the best as described by the ONLY people who would actually know. Rossi included.
Remember hating stoner just because he was that good and being a mad rossi fan like most. Now im obsessed with the guy and appreicate him truely for his talents.
That's a nice honest thing to say
When Rossi wants to say it, he says it, that's respect for whom deserves respect.
WTF you on about ??what a load of shit, Rossi got humiliated , you r on fucking drugs
actually wasn't this a sarcasm ? taking a shot at stoner for having the best bike with electronic assist when in reality with reports stated that stoner is riding with the least electronic assist while he drift through the corner
@@WestbrickFansGotNoBrainsI doubt this was sarcasm
@@fedeeeeee it is. Rossi is salty that ducati bike is alot worse than he thought.
Rossi add in saying stoner had the best bike which was taking a shot at stoner having a better bike.
@@WestbrickFansGotNoBrains mate you're overreading what he intended to say. The Honda was clearly the best bike and Vale learned the hard way that Casey was the best rider among them
I still go back and watch low quality video of Stoner riding because he is just so crazy-talented and fun to watch. Marquez is a close second for the same exact reasons but Stoner seemed a bit more bad-ass in a way that I really appreciate. I wish he was still racing but it's his life to live.
I watched Casey doing things which seems to be impossible. He revolutionize the riding style in MotoGP along with Jorge Lorenzo. But Casey Stoner is best with his power slide technique and Marquez manages to replicate that technique. I still idolize Casey Stoner it's even written on my helmet.
Please. Stoner maybe is the Greatest ever in terms of pure speed (but they say Hailwood was just the same, and Hailwood was way better than Casey looking at the whole packege), but it didn't invent nothing. Doohan won 5 (and I put the '92 also) 500 world championships riding this way, so did Wayne Rayney, and rear sliding was absolutely normal back in the 500 2t era. And they have (in MotoGP) tc, anti wheel system, and electronic system for the maximum power engine can get in relation of gears. This for the Great Casey. PS Lorenzo? Biaggi did ride like this.
@@toivonencresto please. nobody would dare open throttle and slide through the corners like stoner did on 1000cc until recently with the assist with electronics.
mm93 had stoner riding style except mm93 was better at the brakes and stoner is better and controlling the throttle with limited electronics.
rossi was doing the same on 500cc bikes back then but he never did so when he went up to 1000cc premier class, not on honda, not on yamaha. it's suicide.
@@WestbrickFansGotNoBrains bla bla. Do you know there was a time riders rode 500 2stroke with no electronics? Please, period.
@@toivonencresto and stoner renowned for "turning down the electronics", preferring to ride by the sensitivity in his throttle hand rather than requiring the electronics to control the engine.
rossi did similar style in 500cc bikes era but he never did again in 1000cc era until later stage of his career.
stoner has been doing it since 2000s when he entered premier class even with the ducati. which is a graveyard for many great riders and world champions.
rossi career almost ended with ducati as well.
fans like you talk big, saying rossi was sliding in 500cc bike, if stoner can do it on ducati so can rossi.
but then rossi was so bad at the same ducati stoner rode. he was achieving same results as his ducati teammates meanwhile stoner is outperforming his ducati teammates by a miles.
the moment stoner left ducati he won a title.
the modern tech bikes we have today, are pretty much based on achievement stoner-mm93 style of sliding through the corners, higher entry and exit speed while not losing time at the corner with the help of electronics.
if you even bother watching rossi and listen to what he said.
he changed his riding style so drastically that you thought it was 2 different rider. i have never seen rossi lean so low prior to 2020-21 season.
Also sad to see Nicky Hayden in this clip . Got to meet him at Phillip island and he was a really great and funny man . Rip
Ben Spies spot on. "Ive followed you know some of the best and myt not be able to you know replicate what they do that day but I can see and it doesnt blow my mind its just that they are faster than I am and theres no doubt about that but with Casey sometyms he does some things and am like theres no possible way I can even do that....!!!" Couldnt have put it any better.
brianbenl1 Let put it simple`he can do what i and everybody can`t?`
brianbenl1 i think its like soccer some just dont have the same level of talent even on the highest level they get there because they rich and privileged
And he was a hell of a fast rider !
@@MrEparis he who? Who were you referring to? Stoner or Spies?
@@gs1100ed Spies was really fast! But I understand he was talking about Casey. Casey was stunning in many ways.
I remenber hin riding that little KTM
Casey stoner is not the Goat, but he is the most talented and skilled rider ever.
True....not "the" Goat....but one of them
Always nice to hear Ducati’s Rossi moaning
Legends live Forever..being fair and humble that's what makes Legends..Godspeed stoner..thanks for all the great moments!!!!!!
Ben Spies, Alvaro Bautista and Dani ❤️
And the best of them all, Casey Stoner 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻❤️
Stoner is the only rider who could have consistently challenged Marquez shame it didn't happen
Yeah, and the gimmick of the very calm, most technical rider vs the amazingly gifted, bravest racer would have been absolutely fantastic to see.
Pesonally, I believe that in 2013 Casey would have won, as Marquez won that WC mostly due to the advantage taken while Lorenzo and Pedrosa had physical problems, as he was not clearly superior to them in pace in most races, but from 2014 I think we'd witness an outstanding battle between these two (with Rossi, Lorenzo and Pedrosa). It's a shame he was depressed and no longer interested in racing due to electronics.
Does anybody else miss the Edwards , Corser , Honda , Ducati battle's in WSB championship ? .
I really loved when Checa was destroying with the Ducati. Made Biaggi furious!!
Rossi forgot Stoner also best rider with inferior bike like Ducati ... yes his talent phenomenal
Oh yeah? U seem to know a lot. Would you mind elaborating on how the desmo gp 7 was a superior bike and how it went on to become an inferior bike as time passed? I d like to know.
What are these 'Adjustments' that you speak of? Pls, I m all ears...I mean eyes.
what made it inferior is other bikes improved a alot. especially yamaha.
passive FIST give Ducati credit. They outdid the Japanese with the new 800 rules. The bike clearly got worse after 2008, by 2010 Stoner struggled with it until Aragon when he found something that allowed him to win the race and then Philip Island. There’s a reason he left and went to Honda after all.
The other lesson of MotoGP is that in 2012 with just as good a package he couldn’t beat Lorenzo and Pedrosa. These guys are champions and to pretend that Stoner was some magician in a league of his own isn’t true. That doesn’t mean he wasn’t incredible, he is a two time champion after all.
halo, he said stoner was the best rider, why would you hate on him
Watch Laguna 2008 race, and will realize who is the best
There’s some head to head battles I would’ve loved to see…
Marquez v Stoner
Stoner v Doohan
Rossi v Doohan
Schwantz (on a decent bike) v anyone
Gobert (on any bike) v anyone
Hailwood v anyone
I could do this all day!
Stoner is fantastic, the best.
How cool is Colin tho?
Racing misses guys like this 👍💪
...... but what he did was allow the bike to move around under him & that he was just the passinger. He allowed the bike to move as much as it needed to in order to get around a corner the quickest. On a stightly different note, he mentioned that even from his first year on it (07), even though the bike was an absolute rocket in a straight line, he was losing the front (& saving it) anywhere between 3 to 4 times every single lap. Nothing in that respect seems to have changed :( Common Ducati!
The way he drifts out of the corner at 0:56 is crazy
Really miss Ben Spies
For sure Rossi is The Legend and whatever happens always will be, but nowadays, i can say... Rossi is the best "in books, in the numbers" ... Stoner is the best on track! The more skillful rider!
No doubt...he is the greatest...maybe one of the best the world can produce...but who cares anyway, his time has passed...and people dont talk about him anymore...and stoner made his name within rossi's own era...he also made rossi look so little on the ducati...so, just bear with it...
I miss Casey.
A LOT.
I agree. A champion rider and a champion person. He still said that Casey was the best and I agree. He stayed with Ducati far too long.
Yes but,
The Ducati Stoner was riding, was not the same one that Rossi was using.
I would have loved to see Rossi on a Yamaha, during Stoner's Honda years.
That would have been epic to see.
Simply, Rossi tanked as soon as he switched to Ducati.
You still can't argue with his results from 2000-2009/2010.
He will always be the best, in my opinion.
Stoner on the Honda was just superb.
Only in Motorcycle racing can a rider outperform the machine.
Because not many discover the ultimate riding style that Stoner, Marquez, Quartararo and Aleix Espargaro have developed.
It's not like car that have simulator to help you develop style, you need to get in the track maybe with dirt bike.
yeah...that's true and many people had forgotten about that...in 2007, the relationship between these two were great until laguna 2008...other riders for sure have a very good talent on a two wheel but stoner's one was outstanding...even rossi himself said that stoner was one level further in terms of skill...
Rossi said in terms of skills. Stoner paved the way for honda and mm93 sliding style.
And years on that crappy ducati really trained stoner well to corner
Hoping he comes back, whatever anyone thinks about the guy he's an epic racer!
my pleasure...not everybody can appreciate and see what he did...
I would have loved to see him ride the 500s He reminds me a bit of Kenny Roberts, the one who popularized rear steer flat track influenced style and Casey who took it too it’s highest level. God Bless……he did, he gave him the talent and then Casey worked hard to use it.
He won a WC on the Ducati, Rossi couldn't even win a race!
But Rossi has different Ducati than Casey.
@@kuba5487 Yep. Rossi's was actually a better bike than Stoner had.
Casey with the last 800cc Ducati did, at Valencia, 1'31.799 in qualifyng (pole), and 1'33.018 during the race (3rd). Rossi the first day of Valencia's test used the 800cc bike, and did a 1:33.882 after 56 laps. Search for it.
That's a big difference on THE SAME BIKE, even if it was Rossi's first time on it.
+84TheAce Rossi spent too much time fighting the Ducati. He rode it wishing it was a Yamaha.
js290 i totally agree with you.
U heard it from de Horses mouth ! if anyone knows it its Vale !! tanks 4 being straight UP ! we all love n respect U even more !!! Have a nice comeback !!
ypu sir are on drugs - best rider o the best bike? , LOL best rider making a mockery of all on a lesser bike
Absolutely!!! Casey Stoner is the only Rider who actually do it all. his the best rider in cornering in any bike he ride.
These Rossi idols just see 7 WC's and think that is how greatness is measured. There are a lot of factors to be taken into account in accessing one's ability. Look at Stoner, who Rossi said was the best for a long time. Only 2 titles but was AT LEAST Rossi's equal in my and MOST of the top riders opinion.
Valentino Rossi:106 Victories,9 champions.RESPECT
Stoner Faster than Rossi. And gentleman too.
Don't shit
Thanks, now I gotta see if i can go find it. There was also a segment last year where they asked the top riders who was there favorites. (this may be a piece of it. . . ) I haven't found it yet
ducati 2007 wasnt the best bike and he is still a champion
Stoner, legend
1:20 - "You damn right, partner!" (read with texan accent)
stoner has a talent too but Rossi are The legend...give Yamaha win after too long without championship...
he is right seems like you never ride any bike if you cant see his phenomenal talent
(cont)...luckily, his point already enough to become a champion. and I still thinking what if dani didn't make mistake in Philip island. the outcome would be very very different. at the end of the day, I still salute to Jorge. he's a great guy and his riding style was superbly smooth. very very suit to Yamaha...
Rossi was so jealous of Stoner. He knows Stoner is better and faster than him.. Poor old man Rossi
BTW, I don't think he's as fast as Stoner, but I just love watching Lorenzo's Alain Prost like racing strategy. He's very similar to Eddie Lawson too. He'll win a bunch of titles IMO. He's also safe as houses and quick enough.
Hi Eellie87. As a fan of both he & Vale, I get what you're saying. Rossi himself admitted to following Casey at times & also watching hours of video footage of him on the big red bike, & he said that as much as he followed & studies him, he just could not replicate Casey's style. Casey said something really interesting recently. He said that the big mistake others were making was that they were trying to fight against the bike, ...... cont'
As far as Vale goes, most of the field also feel that Valentino has the best race-craft overall. I agree with both of those points. Over their career racing each other, Casey wins out on the stats department (head to head) comfortably. In regards to their career records, Valentino comes out on top, but not against each other. These two riders are regarded as the 2 most naturally talented riders as of last year. Pity we won't be seeing the Jorge, Casey, Dani & Valentino show this year, damn it :(
THE BEST RIDER and have not get the best bike. Miss u CS27 AND NH69
lol i love haydens accent, never heard him talk before
Straight up Kentucky twang!!
For all the haters 'did you do it ,can you do it"? that's what i thought ,
if other can't do it he MADE it happen!
The problem with Stoner is himself, he is not as motivated like other champions to risk and keep fighting. If the dude has Marquez mentality he would be an unbeatable force to be reckoned with.
I agree! Casey Stoner is the best Rider if he like what hr Rides. And he is the only 1 who beat Valentino Rossi fair & square. But Vale Retaliate by his Intelligent riding style.
The drivers have all Recht.Casey Stoner and was a great Rennfahrer.Die dugati he has made for the Champions bike has done before and after him none. My Hochachtung.Selbst seasoned riders like Rossi have a tough time at the dugati the teeth.
All Casey v Rossi arguments... Rossi 9 WC stoner 2. End. Rossi is the Greatest.
At what?
I'd love to see Casey riding against MM, Dovi, Lorenzo and Rossi this year :(
Uh.. not Rossi.. I love the guy but he's not even remotely competitive anymore :( Looking more like Edwards at the end of his career trailing in the back. I know Rossi said he's above it, but I'd like him to make a run in WSBK. I feel like it's a good place for fading stars to compete at a high level and have another shot at a championship.
Stoner and Rossi
is the best rider in moto Gp I ever seen before
Another rider who doesn't get the kudos he deserves is Jorge. He beat Stoner in 2012 fair and square. Not as quick as Stoner but always seems to manage to get the most from his bike, rarely throws it down the road and gets the job done, which, after all, is what it's all about.
I just imagine if Stoner have a career path like Rossi did ... directly got the fast factory bike ... I thought he will be a real god of motoGP ... and imagine opposite when Rossi started with satellite Honda and then move to Ducati factory Team (we all know the result) ... Do the Honda or Yamaha will got an impression on him ?
Marc Speed I thought rossi started with a satellite honda? The yellow Nasturo Azzuro livery?
@@Triple_HHH that was factory 500cc 2stroke honda
I love it how someone like you goes & makes a judgment call on first impressions. I am a Rossi fan (just not a one0eyed one. I have quite a few riders I follow & Vale & Casey are just two of them. Both Vale & Casey have said things they have regretted & both are flawed human beings not gods like some make them out to be. As far as Casey goes, practically the whole field in motogp recognised Casey as having the best throttle response & control & the fastest speed ...... cont'
eso es lo que todos querriamos ver, duelos con Marquez...
Casey was incredibly fast, but he was never a complete rider. He could set a blistering time on a bike on a clear rack. Casey never managed to win a dog fight, he couldn't win from anywhere other than pole. He couldn't handle when under pressure. Casey is undoubtedly one of the all time greats, after all he won on two different bikes. I would rate Stoner Above Marquez, it is that he just didn't receive the amount of hype Marquez is receiving now. I would love to see Casey back on Ducati again. I am sure he can win the championship on the new Ducati.
+Sam Rad Have to disagree with that one, No rider can run at the front and pull wins in 125cc or 250cc races without being able to win a "dog fight".
Those 125 and 250cc races were always big fights, lots of riders all buying for the same piece of tarmac.
dpisaacs Stoner? He never won a dog fight, not even a single one. In 2007 Rossi beat him in corners for Casey to cruise past Rossi in straights. That was the case for entire 2007. Still, I think he was a great rider.
stoner was bringing a knife to a gunfight. All those "dogfights" he lost? Valentino learned to shut up real quick after a couple laps on the desmodemici
Sam R , highly probable if he could
3 years on this comment is shit.... marquez is a way better rider
Found it, thanks again! I appreciate it.
Don’t forget Laguna seca when stoner was fastest in practice but Rossi whooped him in race .😀
Stoner do you remember laguna seca? Rossi number one for ever..
So you're not watching now then?.....No1 FFS.😂
Rossi do you remember catalunya?
Stoner number one for ever😂
@@dachmad7495 ROSSI NUMBER ONE ALWAYS...SHUT UP.....
@@andreaguarnio what if I say Marc is the best one today?😂
the best rider and the best bike...thats the only way for them to become a champion...u need to be the best and have a complete and perfect bike...and i think except stoner with his brilliant talent...ride around problem they said...
Not trying to get into the argument of who's better, but when did Stoner go back down to the 250 class? He came to the big bikes in 2006 on the LCR Honda, crashed the fuck out of it repeatedly, but showed his potential. 2007-2010 he was with Ducati, 2011 with Honda, then retired.
yeah. agree. Lorenzo is another top rider. but I don't see aura in him. he never face a real challenge. the only outstanding about him is his massive corner speed. and that makes me drop my jaw...
Legend
PS. Doohans prime was when he was 27, the year he crashed winning the first 4 races straight and missing most of the second half of the season. Even then, he narrowly lost the title to 3 times (until his tragic accident) world champ Wayne Rainey by a lousy 4 points.
Repsol gone take everyone who's been maniac on bikes. Rossi, stoner, marquez.... Now espargaro hope he can do maniac tactics to keep the legacy.
I play motoGP games. Curious about turn 3 Philips Island after watch Gypsy Tales Podcast with Stoner. It said 265 kph. You know what? It is imposibble even in the game. 😂😂😂. I do my best and cant reach 265 kph, trail braking etc etc, even i have best lap among all the rider i cant reach that speed. I tried it most likely 20 times, the best is only 220kph.Fuck this Stoner was insane!!!!
thank you old man
Yes..
And what about it? It´s not a shame to admit that japanese manufacters are the best making bikes. No other country makes bikes like Japanese. And talk about wins and poles? Look at Rossi´s 2009.. Stoner 3rd. No one denies Stoner is pure talent, but putting him right beside Rossi is a pure dream.
very well said
the clip was from BBC Channel from Sepang race sir...
That can't be denied, that's for sure, but as Rossi warns, if the FIM or whoever, doesn't do something about the boring racing, it'll fall by the wayside. They can't go back to 500 2 strokes as that would be an ecological and technological leap backwards.
Wow, yes that's it! Thanks, your awesome! Was this Sepang also?
got talent but waste it for what, i hope he will comeback and fight with marc marquez.
are you implying that Gibernau and Biaggi had no talent?
:D
P.S.
why would you credit pilots when they recognize Stoner's talent and forget that they recognized Rossi's?
Remember that when Stoner won the championhip in 2007 he had a t-shirt printed with:
"MY HEROES
Doohan
Gardner
Schwantz
Rayney
-> Rossi
Stoner is not charismatic person in the MotoGP paddock and that's why I did not like him at all. Always something to complain.
But when I look at him as a rider, I can't see anything negative. What he did on the ducati, a bike that no one at that time could handle, was amazing. No one ever came close to that with that bike. He's one of the most talented riders of all time IN MY OPINION. I gained a lot of respect for him as a rider. I get why he's leaving, but it's a shame. I'll miss him in 2013
I dont care for what year and when, but i can confirm Casey went from a 250 motogp2 bike to a moto3 125
Please Casey come back for one more season against Rossi, marqueze, lorenzo and dani......Please.
Dani is the best motorcycle racer of all time
Actually Stoner also lose to Rossi in 2010. Rossi was 3rd on the standings, Stoner was 4th
in what year stoner went back to 250cc from motogp class? as far as I know and the fact that it is fact, he went from 250cc to motogp in 2006 with Honda team, then in 2007 he went to ducati until 2010...in 2011 he return to Honda...
I've been looking for this clip! Where did it come from?
Do you understand what prime means? If somebody rides the bike best when they are 90 years of age that means their prime is at 90. Doohan's prime was achieved when he was 30 and Rossi's prime was when he dominated the MotoGP class. Stoners prime is when he won 2 championships in 5 years where 2 of those years he was beaten by Valentino on the Yamaha. The fact is that Rossi made the likes of Gibernau Barros Biaggi look like losers because he was so dominant.
chill chill... i dont like his attitude but he is fast as hell huge talent maybe the best with rossi
That is clearly NOT what I said. What I said was "If Rossi hadn't been in MotoGP" which in English means, If he did not ride in the MotoGP championship, OBVIOUSLY someone else would have won championships and those people would have been Barros, Biaggi etc. Sure that lacked consistency to win championships but to say they are slow is ridiculous. All of these have won races on their good days. Ok fine Rossi lost to Hayden in 06. Then guess what? Stoner lost to the guy who lost to hayden in 08 09!