Yes, he is correct. 2024 is far different. I have heard that the bike are relatively easy to ride. They certainly do not ride bikes without a boatload of safety controls. Think about Mick Doohan and Rainey, Schwantz, Roberts, etc...and Stoner back in the day. Even think about Lorenzo's first year on MotoGP bikes...his highsides were phenomenal! upside down and 8ft in the air!
Simple evolution of racing. The riding level is always at the highest. You could easily then say the 500cc 2 S riders were better than stoners era and riders of Agostinis era were even better than them. Stoner has a bee in his bonnet about something, im not quite sure what.
Casey Stoner is but a ‘babe in the woods’ compared to “older” Aussie riders like and Doohan and Gardener. All teeth and no real action - loves a show but can’t turn it on to save the sport!
Yawn.....They also went much slower. Pole time for Mugello went down by around 6 seconds between 1997 and 2015 with essentially identical circuit layout. If they tried going as fast as the riders today they would have been in the gravel or much worse.
@@arturprusinowski3061Maybe the times have gone down because the bikes are a hell of a lot easier to ride? That’s what the whole video was about wasn’t it?
Breaking news: A recently retired top class rider is faster than the average riders the same way he was faster than the average riders when he wasn't retired. If you are talented, experienced and have the instincts you are good for a very long time. But saying that nowadays riders are fast because of electronics is just old man talk. Otherwise Casey can get on the bike and smash all current records with the extra help of electronics, no? You adapt to the best tools you have at your disposal. There is no need to smash stones in order to light a fire anymore but that doesn't make us less smart than cavemen.
@@Pupixario You have to beat your teammates first because you and them have the same tools. If Stoner is a better rider than the current young guns who rule MotoGP now, he will obliterate them all.
@@HungVu-ec3jk He got tired of racing when the seasons were 18 events only. Imagine him fighting a bike without electronics now with 44 race events. Bet he will get even more tired.
Casey was an old school type of rider, who believed it was up to the rider to master the bike he was given. On some machines that meant taming a monster, on others it involved wringing every ounce of performance out of the bike. All credit to Stoner, once he mastered his bike, his riding was sublime. It's great to hear a former champion paying respect to Pedrosa, a truly exceptional rider. It's sad that Alberto Puig was always looking past Pedrosa, at Stoner, at Marquez and even at Lorenzo. Imagine what Pedrosa might have achieved with Honda, if Puig had not constantly treated him as second string, but had instead developed a bike to better suit the smaller stature of the 'pocket rocket'!
It's ironic that Rossi labelled Stoner in 2007 as a 'Robot Rider' in MCN saying that without electronics he would be nowhere. In 2006 Stoner put the LCR Honda on pole running B grade Michelins that weren't as good as the factory teams. He showed promise as a rookie but the LCR team as well as other satellite teams like Tech 3 and Pramac had inferior kit.
I agree. My '05 R1 has no traction control, no ABS, no power mode settings, and no slipper clutch...its a raw angry beast that demands respect, and I like it that way.
You haven't ridden a 2004 ZX10R then. I was disappointed getting off my 2002 R6 and jumping on a 2004 R1 in 2004. The ignition is retarded at low revs in the lower gears to make it safe to ride compared to the older R1's I had previously tried. As soon as I tried a ZX10R I bought one and later highsided it on a wet track with only 4000rpm on the rev counter and hardly any throttle in 2nd as the torque was immense. I was running wets too!! The GSXR1000 K5 is the best 1000 ever, you get the raw power of a ZX10R in a package that is balanced enough to let you use the power (if you are careful). I'm pretty sure those R1's have a slipper clutch, my ZX10R did. Don't get me wrong the R1 is a good bike but if you want to feel scared they never really did it for me even though they are a better bike than a ZX10R. Also the 2004 ZX10R was statistically the most crashed bike and it's the one I've seen crashed the most on track days, ride one and you will see why. It really was the one that got all the interest in 2004 and 2005 until the GSXR 1000 K5 came out. You have to just have a go on one, it probably is the closest thing on the road to a legit pre electronic nu-tamed gp bike. Later under seat pipe ZX10R's have softer cams and weigh more, the later GSXR's also have all the electronic trinkets.
@@marcustaylor670 I ride ZX 10 from Y2K all the way up to 2010's gen...my roommate was into em...we traded bikes sometimes...and yea they're awesome. I would take one over any R1 made after 2006. Otherwise it would be a Gixxer 1000...not a fan of cross plane crank engines and Hondas never felt right chassis wise to me.
@@marcustaylor670 bro the 2004 ZX10's where absolute beasts. Animal of a bike. That bike was crazy wild to ride. Haha I can definitely relate. It didn't take long before you realise there was barely any left on the road. Then you realise it's because everyone crashed em. It was like trying to tame a bull. Wild bike.
This pains me to say because I don't care much for Stoner as a person and as great a rider as he was, he couldn't help develop a bike but he sure could run one someone else developed but he's right. All the tech modern riders are used to, they'd have no chance running against The Aliens on their era of machines.
Well you could also make the same arguement for formule 1 so but yet i still find that sport very exicting despite verstappen winning every race so i disagree with stoner about motogp being boring with its safety and drivers having no talent i still think that is also very exicting
@@Wolfpak765well. Ducati never listened to stoner and hayden when they basically begged for new parts to test for potential improvement and they didn’t. When rossi went to ducati, suddenly they threw all the money in, rossi tested stoner bike and he couldn’t even pull a single win and barely outperformed hayden… While all this years, stoner has beaten hayden by a miles. Finally ducati made the new parts for haydfen and rossi to try, and it still didn’t work. So don’t tell me about developing a bike when you don’t know what’s going on.
He is 100% right, in order to get the most skilled riders in the motogp top class electronics need to be reduced drastically. Also the component of watching races would be much more fun, drifting out of corners, sliding into corners, body placement to control wheelie and powerslides. It's all gone
@@jeroenvander2938 They were sliding and overtaking out of nothing with electronics, aero do standardize their ride and the gap. There's no way to ride an almost 300hp bike with no controls at all, or better, there is but way slower than less powerful bikes.
So are you saying the riders in MotoGP right now are not the best riders out there. Are you implying there's some undiscovered talent that would shine though if only there were no electronic rider aids? This is silly and that's the nicest way I can say that
@@arturprusinowski3061 well yeah none of these current riders are as skilled or as talented as the aliens of MotoGP such as Marquez,Rossi,Stoner,Pedrosa and Lorenzo and thats a fact
@@paulfleming4710 what does aero has to do with skill exactly? just goes to show that the average MotoGP or racing fan in that regards has no fundamental about racing
Partially. He was upset Marc one the year he left. And many years after. Stoner is an amazing rider. But the tech got to good for him. And now the same thing is happening with Marc.
I bet most of them learnt to ride with no electronics bikes when they were like 10 years old, this whole debate is retarded af, motogp riders can pretty much dominate any motorcycle.
this is quite simple, why dont ,stoner, rossi, doohan, and others start their own version of motor cycle racing like superbikes.then we would have 3 different catagories to look at. cheers.
I thought this but instead of using sensors to cut power, they drop a cylinder when there are at a rpm/gear at full throttle that would cause a wheelie, so they can be 100% throttle in low gear without wheeling, I think this is also used on higher lean angles too. So still using a form of wheelie/TC and it's not all rider skill.
If both Mick Doohan and Casey, and Pit are saying similar things, maybe they are on to something, all the aero and active electronics are taking away from the rider's natural ability to make decisions, IE: regarding the amount of throttle for the grip available, put the skill back into the riders' hands, not the technicians with the lap top sitting on the pit wall as the case in F1.
Aero to stabilise the bike at speed was OK - but the latest stuff with wings and ride height controls has taken it too far. Reducing electronic assists needs to happen too.
The best and most competent 'RIDERS' were in the 2 stroke engine era...no rider 'aids' whatsoever...the rider aids were in the rider's mind, wrist, fingers and body position. That was, to me, the most 'pure' form of showcasing the rider's talent and skill level. Not saying the current crop of pilots aren't 'aliens'...the previous riders were simply 'more alien'...LOL.
Boomer moment. I believe that right up until electronic aids were introduced riders were always paid to ride on the edge of crashing. I believe the riders you reminisce of are two sides of the same coin to stoner. Engine, Suspension and tyre development improved so the only real difference was how fast they would be going when they crashed. I don’t think either bike would be scarier or more difficult to ride on with period correct equipment.
@@torangclayruz4098Danni has never won the 500cc Championship he was a double 250cc champion. A very very very different class. Danni was good on those 500cc strokers.
He speaks the truth. While it's incredible to watch the new guys cornering with their shoulders on the pavement, there's a level of "on the edge" that's missing compared to the old days (yes, I was there for the 2-strokes). Watching a RIDER make the most ballsy, physics-defying moves to make a pass in a corner is becoming a rare thing. Stoner, Rossi, Marquez and Pedrosa were the last of that breed. I think Binder would probably adapt well to reduction in electronics, he has that vibe.
The games changed. Barry Sheen wouldn’t be able to run with Pecco on the Desmo, and same Pecco wouldn’t be able to run with Barry on the RG500. The skill may have dropped a bit but the physicality has raised dramatically. That would have been twiggy smoking Barry’s problem same as how it was Stoners problem.
Stoner should be in charge of MotoGP. He is level headed, wise and, speaks 100% truth. I believe he is also the greatest talent to the sport and would bring back new life to motorcycle racing if placed in charge of Dorna. Dorna is to Political. MotoGP is going in a horrible direction and it will begin to shut down soon. People will lose interest and OUR sport will suffer due to control by monopoly and political share holder stake. Suzuki is gone. Kawasaki is gone. I am surprised Honda and Yamaha have not left. Perhaps each nation should have its own MotoGP and cut Dorna out! Then we can all come together and leave the political snakes behind to suffer.
They're talking about 850cc engines for 27. Last time they dropped the capacity it wasn't long before they went back 1000cc. it doesn't really reduce speed.
They are only dying this because the EU is forcing manufacturers to be heavily regulated and the 1000cc bikes are not worth the cost to build on the road. Yamaha has official announced the death of the R1 in Europe. Soon itl be the death of the R1 everywhere.
And the increase of aerodynamics ruin it even more. Compare the racing from 2019 season to racing in 2023 season. Outside of few sprints, the amount of overtakes and close racing has reduced dramatically
Pecco isn't the best rider on the grid. He's simply the best rider on a Ducati and even that is questionable. Marc going to Ducati will more than likely prove my point should he adapt decently well
@@stewartdillard7199You know what I mean, however what you then want is a one make series like moto2.. Anyway, let's discuss again in the summer break.
Stoner is TOTALLY RIGHT!!! The amount of rider control on the bike when i started following MotoGP and the amount of it now is visibly different. Maybe not for non-fans but i can see it clearly. Where's Randy Mamola doing powerslides on a 2stroke from this today? Long time ago,on original Dutch TT galaxy... with the layout not destroyed and turned into a parking lot there use to be racing without anyone else but rider controlling the motorcycle. Now,we're screwed 'cause you just can't beat the corps.
More like excuses for losers. The race will not change to your liking. First it's a business. Laws, rules and regulations must be followed. He was an employee and he got paid more than what he could have and done elsewhere. Be grateful and stfu.
I agree totally with Stoner. Gone are the days of the really skilled riders, where technique and smoothness were vitally important. Bikes have become to easy to ride. They make all rider's look good even the road going bikes.
I’ll see you on the 28th at Assen then? Cause it so easy you should be able to just roll up and qualify and win the sprint and GP. You got this in the bag.
Some riders ended their careers with happiness and joy embracing the future with joy for the next generation and some don’t and will never understand that playing the game of blame and excuses just makes it harder move on
I COULD NOT AGREE MORE. GO HAVE YOUR OWN RACE, IF YOU CAN AFFORD. PEOPLE HAS TO EVOLVED AND STFU IF THEY WANT TO PARTICIPATE. THEY GOT PAID MILLIONS BECAUSE THEY WERE FORTUNATE BE THE CHOOSEN ONES. THEY SHOULD BE THANKFUL AND GRATEFUL TO HAVE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY MILLIONS AROUND THE WORLD ENVY.
Yes, back in the day there was Rossi, Lorenzo, Stoner, Pedrosa and a couple more who were good. But, it was tough to get a bike right and competitive. Nowadays everyone can sit on a MotoGP bike and go fast. I bet some amateurs would do surprisingly well on these GP bikes.
Absolut Richtig, die Technik macht es möglich ein Fahrer mit weniger Begabung macht heute auf einer MGP eine gute Figur das hätte es früher nicht gegeben das gleiche hast du in der Formel 1 Leider!!!!!
This to me, underscores the greatness of Valentino Rossi. He won on 125, 250, and 500cc 2-strokes, then stepped over to the 4-stroke and reeled off 4 straight titles on 2 different bikes. Marquez had basically the same bike which was pretty much designed around him for his entire championship run.
Electronic aids have ruined MOTGP. Very few of the current riders could tame the 500cc two stroke animals and Marquez would have killed himself or someone else with his riding aggression. Vale is the GOAT btw.
This comparrison should not even take place :))). Rossi has proven his talent over and over again, on different bikes with different technologies. There is Rossi, and then the ones who follow. And I am not a Rossi fan.... but talent is talent and it can't be taken away from him.
Casey was another level and rode around the problems especially on the Ducati at its worst.The F1 bikes of today make it much easier for someone to ride.
Times change. Adapting is the key to success. If you took all the tech away the riders would adapt back to a stoner era. The real skill is using and exploiting any and everything that's available. Which is what we see.
I agree but I think what stoner is saying is that if you take away those electronics and aero how many of the top riders would be able to adapt and stay at the top
I guess it comes down to what you are trying to showcase , the bike or the rider and since the riders are working for the manufacturers they will always favour the bikes. Personally I'd rather see no electronics ( the way I prefer to ride) and it come down to skill but I guess it's the manufacturers that fund the sport not the riders.
@@fetB Kinda irrelevant though. Put them on 50cc scooters and the ranking will change. A bike with aids and without aids is a massive difference even in the way it'd be designed.
Gone are the days of the True Motorcyclists,such as Barry Sheene,Kenny Roberts,Wayne Gardner,Freddie Spencer,Mick Doohan,Kevin Scwantz to Valentino Rossi.
Absolutely correct. Traction control destroyed car racing as well. It's part of the reason classic car racing is growing in popularity as F1 becomes self-driving go-carts.
in any competition, winner is always the person who played the rules of the game at the best as compared to others. it is a fact that the technology is helping rider achieving better timing
I grew up riding bikes in an era when a Z1300 or a CBX1000 was a sports bike. The first bike I owned with ABS was a 2006 Suzuki Bandit SAK6. I spent at least an hour riding up & down my road braking from only 40mph as hard as I dared wanting to experience what it felt like when the ABS kicked in. But as soon as the front compressed & the back end went light I instinctively let go of the front brake. I guess that was a long ingrained survival response? But that has served me well. Much younger friends are much faster than myself on their 2020+ bikes with loads of built in gadgets to stop them ending up in A&E. However, I do wonder how they'd fair on a bike from my early days of riding? 🤔
Those I think were considered some of the first Superbikes. I've been riding for 45+ years and never even owned a bike with ABS. And just yesterday I had a car turn left in front of me while riding my XR150 and I was easily able to grab a handful of front brake w/out face planting myself and avoided the car. I bet all the other car drivers nearby thought I was going to hit him. The most modern bike I've owned was my '05 Buell XB12 SCG which was actually the best handling bike I had ridden and it was on the bottom end of available technology of its day. It's actually the only bike I ever had with a computer and that was for the fuel injection.
CBX 1000 was considered a sports bike for a couple of years, until the release of the CB 900, sure, but the Z 1300 was always a big heavy touring bike, nothing like a sports bike. The Kawasaki sports bike at the time was the Z 1000.
I think it's simple, riders who adapt well will last. Blaming bikes having too much technology is just as bad as blaming bikes having too little technology. Why not blame yourself for not being able to adapt the bike while others can?
MM had won 4 WC in 3 classes by 2016 when traction control was introduced, so I’m sure he knows how to ride the ass off it without aids…. Do you think most young adults with high performance cars such as M3s, M5s, RS6s, AMG63s etc etc could drive them without ABS, traction, ESP etc etc etc ? As the Chief Technician for the GTR program, Kazutoshi Mizuno said without the current software and hardware aids the car would kill you as to control such a machine on a road carries risk…
Huh? Traction control started with the 500's in the late 1990's. Marquez has never ridden a Motogp Bike without serious rider aids, particularly in his first years before the Control ECU was introduced.
traction control was introduced wayy before 2016 man. a rider can ride well with electronics doesnt meant they didnt know how to ride, like casey said it just lessen the fun and human part of the sport, yes they are fast but the root of motogp was always about the rider not the bike
Just like in boxing you can't compare different riders from different era's with different technologies with respect to casey who I have always had great admiration for ' you have to ride what you've got' casey more than anyone knows this because this was his main strong point. As far as the technologies are concerned nothing we say will change anything 😊
Just as any other sport old players keep criticising the new generation to make them feel they were better. Evolution is part of life stop being bitter.
Come on, anyone who watched the 500cc two strokes, and then watered down 800cc and 1000cc remembers how MotoGP became more like F1, rider didn't matter as much as the bike. Even Lorenzo and Stoner already rode in an era where there was way more electronics compensating for them. It's not even close.
Smooth is fast the electronics help to smooth out the bike far more than any human can but the rider is still the one that needs the feel to get any information out of the bike and the skill to know how to ride the bike and when to use what aerodynamics are cheaper to engineer than a new engine. To win you need to be faster than your competition this is what it takes….
Thats because the traction control back then was wired between the seat and the helmet. The helmet mounted CPU controlled the power between the gloves and elbow. Its unfortunately foreign to many Motogp fans to understand this concept.
I disagree. If everyone has access to the same technology, the competition will be there among pilots... there have been improvements on tires, for instance. What we should do? return to tire technology from the fifties, so as we have less grip and more talent from pilots? To me it does not make too much sense those statements...
That doesn't make sense to you because you are thinking from a "SAFE" perspective. Realistically speaking, RACING WILL NEVER BE SAFE. Which obviously a legend like Stoner do know better.
Absolutely agreed, one of the main reasons why I stopped watching F1 and turned to MotoGP was because it was more raw and genuine. It seems to be moving away from honest racing over the last few years….Well done Stoner
Casey Stoner is in my opinion one of the most capable riders in performance, riding skills and tech know how. An allround motorsport expert next to Dani Pedrosa.
🤣🤣🤣🤣stoner had his day and dropped off..pedrosa is an amazing rider shown in development of the shitty,now great ktm …stoner should stick to sitting at the back of an Aussie touring car grid with his dummy
Es gelten nicht für alle die Gleichen Regeln, sondern das beste Werksteam macht die Regeln zu ihren Vorteil!! Siehe Ducati!! und die anderen hinken hinten nach!!in allem !! Jetzt Entscheidet die Technik, nicht mehr der Fahrer!!Zur Zeit kannst du nur mit Ducati Weltmeister werden, alle anderen Hersteller haben zur zeit keine Chance!! Leider!!! Stoner war der Beste Fahrer!!!
I agree. I dont' want to take away anything from this new era of riders, but Technology masks a lot of shortcomings of newer riders. You don't have to be as good anymore.
If electronic closes the field, then it’s a good thing. Having one rider blast off leading start to finish is not exciting to watch. Close up racing with multiple overtakes is exciting to watch.
Stoner is absolutely right and note that he never claimed that today's riders are worse than those during his era. He says that regulations and politics have spoiled the whole ecosystem, including the riders who are now depending more on their electronics without which their bikes would be ridden in an entirely different fashion. This is a great analogy on what happens in an economy when governments distort market signaling and capital allocation in the market with excessive regulations, bureaucratic costs, licensing restrictions and taxes.
@@SR22VET-S15 I know, I even did it myself (ok I said Stacey Moaner) which I came up with because of Lisa Simpsons Malibu Stacey doll 😂 It was more of a friendly slagging thing to wind up the Stoner fans on the motorcycle forum I was a member of back then than anything against Stoner himself though 😁
Ultimately this is a question of is the Rider's Championship or the Manufacturers Championship more important. There is no doubt that with higher technology the rider matters less. That doesn't mean they're not skilled in their own way but percentage of speed due to the rider vs the machine is by default less the more there is technology that effects riding input.
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Sometimes people keep forgetting that motorsports are in fact a team sport. It's not JUST about the rider. It's also about the hundreds, if not thousands of people, that are behind the scenes developing new techniques and technologies that eventually trickle down to the regular consumer. Less regulation would be better overall for the sport, but the drivers/riders would lose their so called "celebrity" status. That's why some are against it, despite their enormous talent. Also, everyone rides under the same set of regulations so... GIT GUD instead of complaining on the internet.
To me a guy who retired that soon after just some years of top riding should stay silent and respect those who decided to keep on risking their life under immense pressure, exactly what he didn't manage to achieve. Half of his career he has been named "Rolling Stoner" for a reason. He should stop acting like the best rider ever existed.
I haven’t watched MotoGP much since the Mick Doohan 500cc days. Now in THOSE days, the riders had true skills, not long after Mick’s last championship we saw The Doctor emerge and that was peak years for me.
Facts everything this man is saying is so true I stopped watching MotoGP in 2019 because they all were complaining about bikes and how they weren't doing so good and it was just the Bikers is complaining and complaining and complaining Ever since I've been watching world sbk and it's been such a difference everything has been so much better I would prefer if people did watch them instead the British brakes are way better
Even if you added these rider aids in the past the same riders who won would still be dominant. And almost all riders train in dirt tracks...so what is stoner talking about.
Stoner is absolutely right today's motogp doesn't feel exciting bzoc everything even the riders feels monotonous riders nowadays lacks personality and character the change was very much needed
Stoner needs to remember he never competed on a 500cc stroker ( unlike Rossi). The bike he rode were all 4 strokes. The 990’s were hairy but nowhere near a 500cc stroker.
And if he did, he would have been exceptional. But it's true that almost none of a given era's riders, rode the previous era's bikes. It's always what ifs.
@@andrewshipp2739 He never was exceptional and to think he could have ridden those strokers is a huge ask. Riders better than him Rainey, Doohan etc were eventually destroyed by them. Stoner was hardly in a different era. Rossi has not long been retired, he was older than Stoner is now when he stopped.
@@andrewshipp2739 You can disagree if you like. A two times world champion does not make a rider exceptional. How would you rate the riders who have won five of more championships.Riders who won multiple World Championships and multiple IOM TT’s when they were in the championship. Then of course you come to the Exceptional Legend that was Sir John Surtees. On this factual basis I violently disagree with your strange reasoning on the word Exceptional. Stoner is not even the best Australian motorcycle racer that goes to Doohan.
100% Right. Even Rossi said in the early days of the 4 stroke era that he felt like he was cheating. Even different tyre manufacturers back then put the onus back on the rider.
Stoner remains the all time whining champion for Moto GP. Dude is always complaining about something. He was always miserable in the series, seemed like he'd rather be anywhere else. Boohoo, moto GP is politicized, it's too much technology, riders complain too much. Good lord man, can you be any more of a "get off my lawn" guy? Does anyone remember even one press conference with this guy where he wasn't complaining about something, whether it be the series itself or another rider? Insane talent and one of the best riders I've ever seen, but the dude is like the Donkey from Winnie the pooh out here 😂
M.Marquez came up through moto two, no traction controll, and rode the thing harder than anyone ealse, I didn’t think he’d last more than a couple of seasons he was so fast and reckless.!!!! He may have lost a bit of his edge over the years but II think he and a few others can ride whatever you give them and back up to speed after a couple of races, tyre life and injuries might be another story, which ironically was the original reason for rider aids..!!!! Seems the show, and the money is more important now.!!???
It has become like photography where software and camera equipment take the place of photographic skill and knowledge. Innovation lessons rider skill on the bike and puts it on the motorcycle. That said, the riders are still over the top in skill compared to other riders that haven’t made it to MotoGp.
I remember way back comments about Honda ignoring Dani's advice for the developement of the bike and focusing on Marc only thus creating a bike that only he could ride and eventualy he couldnt either. Really sad to think that brutal bike basically retired Lorenzo.
Nope. The 500's were 200+ bhp and 135 kg. Most of that power was delivered in a very narrow power band. That's why they were difficult to master at the limit.
Every generation of rider can then use this same argument. According to this logic the very best riders were the very first generation of motorcycle racers.
Prior to electronics, we used to call him crasher Stoner, how ironic. Ducati only won with Stoner because they were the only ones using the Bridgestone tyre. The following year, Rossi beat him on a slower bike. Credit where it’s due; when Stoner went to Honda, he was a beast, would loved to have seen him go against Marquez for a couple of seasons.
Riders today have it easier than the riders of yesterday . While they are exceptional, the talent to ride 500 2strokes was probably better . It took even more talent to ride the badest monster in GP history , the 750 2stroke . So much so that by the end of that era of racing there was but a small handful who could hang on . When the 500 was introduced the level of competition became a little more even . I understand about exhaust emissions but those were great times to have seen that level of race machines . Nothing beat the smell of 2 stroke oil waffing through the air !
could not agree more, this is also evident on production bikes nowadays having ABS, EBS, QS etc…making the bike easier to ride/safer but not necessary to have the right riding skills.
The truth is that stoner could not keep up with then rookie Marquez, if he wanted to prove he could have stayed back and performed and retired and keep blaming everyone, if you want to prove just return and show you have it , not criticizing others
Back in the day of big horsepower 500cc 2 stroke 3 and V4 engines, it was all rider ability. Those bikes were extremely difficult to ride fast. The TZ750 that was raced everywhere and heavily modified. The one Kenny Roberts rode to win the Indy Mile flat track was a miracle he finished unhurt. Of course some technology should be allowed to improve rideability. Hopefully they get it right to keep interest in racing
What are your thoughts, is it true that the riders are not as good as the era of Casey Stoner?
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Yes, he is correct. 2024 is far different. I have heard that the bike are relatively easy to ride. They certainly do not ride bikes without a boatload of safety controls. Think about Mick Doohan and Rainey, Schwantz, Roberts, etc...and Stoner back in the day. Even think about Lorenzo's first year on MotoGP bikes...his highsides were phenomenal! upside down and 8ft in the air!
Simple evolution of racing. The riding level is always at the highest. You could easily then say the 500cc 2 S riders were better than stoners era and riders of Agostinis era were even better than them. Stoner has a bee in his bonnet about something, im not quite sure what.
Casey Stoner is but a ‘babe in the woods’ compared to “older” Aussie riders like and Doohan and Gardener. All teeth and no real action - loves a show but can’t turn it on to save the sport!
More crap from the very unlikeable stoner
No. That's just old man talk.
I am old enough to have watched the 500cc 2 stroke years. Now those riders really did have exceptional riding skills.
They had too
Yawn.....They also went much slower. Pole time for Mugello went down by around 6 seconds between 1997 and 2015 with essentially identical circuit layout. If they tried going as fast as the riders today they would have been in the gravel or much worse.
They typically had short careers too, usually because their battered bodies couldn't do it anymore.
@@arturprusinowski3061Maybe the times have gone down because the bikes are a hell of a lot easier to ride? That’s what the whole video was about wasn’t it?
Are you saying they are on the same tyres and the same power plants the same electronics the same suspension...really?
it's sad Dani pedrosa never won a championship, I wanted him to win at lease one championship in his career, he was a cool rider, humble.
no doubt, Pedrosa was chill
Dani was and is an absolute animal, one of the best to ever do with regardless of the lack of top class championships
He won 2 motogp championships...google it.
The King who Never was
IMO Dani is far and away the best rider never to win a championship in the top class.
Pedrosa showed us last year that the new crop of riders aren't at the same level of the "aliens".
Breaking news: A recently retired top class rider is faster than the average riders the same way he was faster than the average riders when he wasn't retired.
If you are talented, experienced and have the instincts you are good for a very long time. But saying that nowadays riders are fast because of electronics is just old man talk.
Otherwise Casey can get on the bike and smash all current records with the extra help of electronics, no? You adapt to the best tools you have at your disposal. There is no need to smash stones in order to light a fire anymore but that doesn't make us less smart than cavemen.
@@Pupixario You have to beat your teammates first because you and them have the same tools. If Stoner is a better rider than the current young guns who rule MotoGP now, he will obliterate them all.
@@Pupixario yeah, and what comes out of Casey's mouth the most? "Riders have to adapt to their bikes. Oh, except me, I quit!"
@@johnernst8718 he got tired of racing
@@HungVu-ec3jk He got tired of racing when the seasons were 18 events only. Imagine him fighting a bike without electronics now with 44 race events. Bet he will get even more tired.
Casey was an old school type of rider, who believed it was up to the rider to master the bike he was given. On some machines that meant taming a monster, on others it involved wringing every ounce of performance out of the bike. All credit to Stoner, once he mastered his bike, his riding was sublime.
It's great to hear a former champion paying respect to Pedrosa, a truly exceptional rider. It's sad that Alberto Puig was always looking past Pedrosa, at Stoner, at Marquez and even at Lorenzo. Imagine what Pedrosa might have achieved with Honda, if Puig had not constantly treated him as second string, but had instead developed a bike to better suit the smaller stature of the 'pocket rocket'!
Although it was Stoner who go the most out of the 2007 Ducati with it's advanced electronics.
They literally designed the entire project around Pedrosa for years.
@the_derpler Hahaha 😆 have you just arrived from Mars?
Stoner was a great rider and i kind of agree with him but he never rode a 500cc so how would he know
It's ironic that Rossi labelled Stoner in 2007 as a 'Robot Rider' in MCN saying that without electronics he would be nowhere. In 2006 Stoner put the LCR Honda on pole running B grade Michelins that weren't as good as the factory teams. He showed promise as a rookie but the LCR team as well as other satellite teams like Tech 3 and Pramac had inferior kit.
I agree. My '05 R1 has no traction control, no ABS, no power mode settings, and no slipper clutch...its a raw angry beast that demands respect, and I like it that way.
Good for you
same I own the 2004 and used to have the 2003 which was basically a race bike... complete beasts.
You haven't ridden a 2004 ZX10R then. I was disappointed getting off my 2002 R6 and jumping on a 2004 R1 in 2004. The ignition is retarded at low revs in the lower gears to make it safe to ride compared to the older R1's I had previously tried. As soon as I tried a ZX10R I bought one and later highsided it on a wet track with only 4000rpm on the rev counter and hardly any throttle in 2nd as the torque was immense. I was running wets too!! The GSXR1000 K5 is the best 1000 ever, you get the raw power of a ZX10R in a package that is balanced enough to let you use the power (if you are careful). I'm pretty sure those R1's have a slipper clutch, my ZX10R did. Don't get me wrong the R1 is a good bike but if you want to feel scared they never really did it for me even though they are a better bike than a ZX10R. Also the 2004 ZX10R was statistically the most crashed bike and it's the one I've seen crashed the most on track days, ride one and you will see why. It really was the one that got all the interest in 2004 and 2005 until the GSXR 1000 K5 came out. You have to just have a go on one, it probably is the closest thing on the road to a legit pre electronic nu-tamed gp bike. Later under seat pipe ZX10R's have softer cams and weigh more, the later GSXR's also have all the electronic trinkets.
@@marcustaylor670 I ride ZX 10 from Y2K all the way up to 2010's gen...my roommate was into em...we traded bikes sometimes...and yea they're awesome. I would take one over any R1 made after 2006. Otherwise it would be a Gixxer 1000...not a fan of cross plane crank engines and Hondas never felt right chassis wise to me.
@@marcustaylor670 bro the 2004 ZX10's where absolute beasts. Animal of a bike. That bike was crazy wild to ride. Haha I can definitely relate. It didn't take long before you realise there was barely any left on the road. Then you realise it's because everyone crashed em. It was like trying to tame a bull. Wild bike.
I agree with Stoner.
MotoGP today is a technology battle, and less rider skills.
This pains me to say because I don't care much for Stoner as a person and as great a rider as he was, he couldn't help develop a bike but he sure could run one someone else developed but he's right. All the tech modern riders are used to, they'd have no chance running against The Aliens on their era of machines.
Well you could also make the same arguement for formule 1 so but yet i still find that sport very exicting despite verstappen winning every race so i disagree with stoner about motogp being boring with its safety and drivers having no talent i still think that is also very exicting
So can you do it with technology. A comment from someone else said it best Stoner the Moner is 💯 correct
Unless Marquez he was able to win on a bike that wasn’t the best
@@Wolfpak765well. Ducati never listened to stoner and hayden when they basically begged for new parts to test for potential improvement and they didn’t.
When rossi went to ducati, suddenly they threw all the money in, rossi tested stoner bike and he couldn’t even pull a single win and barely outperformed hayden…
While all this years, stoner has beaten hayden by a miles.
Finally ducati made the new parts for haydfen and rossi to try, and it still didn’t work.
So don’t tell me about developing a bike when you don’t know what’s going on.
He is 100% right, in order to get the most skilled riders in the motogp top class electronics need to be reduced drastically. Also the component of watching races would be much more fun, drifting out of corners, sliding into corners, body placement to control wheelie and powerslides. It's all gone
All you said is gone mostly due to aerodynamics.
@@tomclark637 No, electronics came way back before earo, earo is not the problem, its the electronics.
@@jeroenvander2938 They were sliding and overtaking out of nothing with electronics, aero do standardize their ride and the gap.
There's no way to ride an almost 300hp bike with no controls at all, or better, there is but way slower than less powerful bikes.
So are you saying the riders in MotoGP right now are not the best riders out there. Are you implying there's some undiscovered talent that would shine though if only there were no electronic rider aids? This is silly and that's the nicest way I can say that
@@arturprusinowski3061 well yeah none of these current riders are as skilled or as talented as the aliens of MotoGP such as Marquez,Rossi,Stoner,Pedrosa and Lorenzo and thats a fact
Stoner is right.100 %
All the electronics, aero,etc have taken skill out of riding the bikes
Absolutely
@@paulfleming4710thats why its more impressive to watch wsbk nowadays
@@paulfleming4710 what does aero has to do with skill exactly? just goes to show that the average MotoGP or racing fan in that regards has no fundamental about racing
Partially. He was upset Marc one the year he left. And many years after. Stoner is an amazing rider. But the tech got to good for him. And now the same thing is happening with Marc.
I'd say take away all the electronic ads. And see how fast they really are.
the cream would still rise to the top
This is why BSB has the most action, and any of 10-15 riders can win on any given day or track
I bet most of them learnt to ride with no electronics bikes when they were like 10 years old, this whole debate is retarded af, motogp riders can pretty much dominate any motorcycle.
I 1000% agree
Stoner's assessment is spot on!
this is quite simple, why dont ,stoner, rossi, doohan, and others start their own version of motor cycle racing like superbikes.then we would have 3 different catagories to look at. cheers.
@@jurelrossanyonsmith-gk1pb Because no one is going to watch MotoGP if the legends are all in another comp
Why British Superbikes is getting so popular. It’s my favorite, no traction control or anti wheelie.
I thought this but instead of using sensors to cut power, they drop a cylinder when there are at a rpm/gear at full throttle that would cause a wheelie, so they can be 100% throttle in low gear without wheeling, I think this is also used on higher lean angles too. So still using a form of wheelie/TC and it's not all rider skill.
If both Mick Doohan and Casey, and Pit are saying similar things, maybe they are on to something, all the aero and active electronics are taking away from the rider's natural ability to make decisions, IE: regarding the amount of throttle for the grip available, put the skill back into the riders' hands, not the technicians with the lap top sitting on the pit wall as the case in F1.
Aero to stabilise the bike at speed was OK - but the latest stuff with wings and ride height controls has taken it too far. Reducing electronic assists needs to happen too.
BITCH AND MOAN ALLDAY????? Excuses doesn't get you anywhere.
@@pauljh74 2027
The best and most competent 'RIDERS' were in the 2 stroke engine era...no rider 'aids' whatsoever...the rider aids were in the rider's mind, wrist, fingers and body position.
That was, to me, the most 'pure' form of showcasing the rider's talent and skill level.
Not saying the current crop of pilots aren't 'aliens'...the previous riders were simply 'more alien'...LOL.
He's not the most competent in 2 stroke era, Dani was a champ in 2 years in a row.
Boomer moment. I believe that right up until electronic aids were introduced riders were always paid to ride on the edge of crashing. I believe the riders you reminisce of are two sides of the same coin to stoner. Engine, Suspension and tyre development improved so the only real difference was how fast they would be going when they crashed. I don’t think either bike would be scarier or more difficult to ride on with period correct equipment.
@@torangclayruz4098Danni has never won the 500cc Championship he was a double 250cc champion. A very very very different class. Danni was good on those 500cc strokers.
I agree those 500cc monsters needed skill and balls to ride.
Mick Doohan could handle the power band of the 500cc 2-strokes. 🇦🇺
Many coming from Moto2 have said how much easier it is to ride Moto Gp bikes despite their increased speed and power.
Source?
Do you even watch moto gp dude, go watch acosta interview he just switched to moto gp.
Who said that exactly ?
@@superwrench9445 thia guy clearly lying
Peccos stated it.
He speaks the truth. While it's incredible to watch the new guys cornering with their shoulders on the pavement, there's a level of "on the edge" that's missing compared to the old days (yes, I was there for the 2-strokes). Watching a RIDER make the most ballsy, physics-defying moves to make a pass in a corner is becoming a rare thing. Stoner, Rossi, Marquez and Pedrosa were the last of that breed. I think Binder would probably adapt well to reduction in electronics, he has that vibe.
The games changed. Barry Sheen wouldn’t be able to run with Pecco on the Desmo, and same Pecco wouldn’t be able to run with Barry on the RG500. The skill may have dropped a bit but the physicality has raised dramatically. That would have been twiggy smoking Barry’s problem same as how it was Stoners problem.
Stoner should be in charge of MotoGP. He is level headed, wise and, speaks 100% truth. I believe he is also the greatest talent to the sport and would bring back new life to motorcycle racing if placed in charge of Dorna. Dorna is to Political. MotoGP is going in a horrible direction and it will begin to shut down soon. People will lose interest and OUR sport will suffer due to control by monopoly and political share holder stake. Suzuki is gone. Kawasaki is gone. I am surprised Honda and Yamaha have not left. Perhaps each nation should have its own MotoGP and cut Dorna out! Then we can all come together and leave the political snakes behind to suffer.
It would be bankrupt on the first day. FOSHO!!!
They're talking about 850cc engines for 27. Last time they dropped the capacity it wasn't long before they went back 1000cc. it doesn't really reduce speed.
Good point..even in f1 when the time comes and they drop to a 1liter engine the engineers will still make it go 230 mph
They are only dying this because the EU is forcing manufacturers to be heavily regulated and the 1000cc bikes are not worth the cost to build on the road. Yamaha has official announced the death of the R1 in Europe. Soon itl be the death of the R1 everywhere.
Be better if they limit the fuel and the revs.@@andyfry745
They are not . Electronics have ruined the sport .
And the increase of aerodynamics ruin it even more.
Compare the racing from 2019 season to racing in 2023 season. Outside of few sprints, the amount of overtakes and close racing has reduced dramatically
RUINED!!! THE WHOLE WORLD IS ABOUT TO RUN BY ELECRONICS. GO BACK TO YOUR CAVE.
The cream always rises to the top
The best riders will always find a way to win
Exactly. Its actually as simple as that. Folks here think that riding the current bikes is like a walk in the park for some reason
Pecco isn't the best rider on the grid. He's simply the best rider on a Ducati and even that is questionable. Marc going to Ducati will more than likely prove my point should he adapt decently well
@@stewartdillard7199Maybe, but it's best to never slight a double world champion. Pecco is better than he is given credit for.
@@stewartdillard7199You know what I mean, however what you then want is a one make series like moto2.. Anyway, let's discuss again in the summer break.
You're saying prime rossi can win on the current Yamaha? 😂
Stoner is TOTALLY RIGHT!!! The amount of rider control on the bike when i started following MotoGP and the amount of it now is visibly different. Maybe not for non-fans but i can see it clearly. Where's Randy Mamola doing powerslides on a 2stroke from this today? Long time ago,on original Dutch TT galaxy... with the layout not destroyed and turned into a parking lot there use to be racing without anyone else but rider controlling the motorcycle. Now,we're screwed 'cause you just can't beat the corps.
More like excuses for losers. The race will not change to your liking. First it's a business. Laws, rules and regulations must be followed. He was an employee and he got paid more than what he could have and done elsewhere. Be grateful and stfu.
I 100% agree with Casey Stoner.
I agree totally with Stoner. Gone are the days of the really skilled riders, where technique and smoothness were vitally important. Bikes have become to easy to ride. They make all rider's look good even the road going bikes.
If they are so easy to ride then maybe you should line up in Qatar in a few weeks and show us just how easy it really is.
I’ll see you on the 28th at Assen then? Cause it so easy you should be able to just roll up and qualify and win the sprint and GP. You got this in the bag.
Richtig!!! Leider!!!
Some riders ended their careers with happiness and joy embracing the future with joy for the next generation and some don’t and will never understand that playing the game of blame and excuses just makes it harder move on
I COULD NOT AGREE MORE. GO HAVE YOUR OWN RACE, IF YOU CAN AFFORD. PEOPLE HAS TO EVOLVED AND STFU IF THEY WANT TO PARTICIPATE. THEY GOT PAID MILLIONS BECAUSE THEY WERE FORTUNATE BE THE CHOOSEN ONES. THEY SHOULD BE THANKFUL AND GRATEFUL TO HAVE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY MILLIONS AROUND THE WORLD ENVY.
Yes, back in the day there was Rossi, Lorenzo, Stoner, Pedrosa and a couple more who were good. But, it was tough to get a bike right and competitive.
Nowadays everyone can sit on a MotoGP bike and go fast. I bet some amateurs would do surprisingly well on these GP bikes.
Absolut Richtig, die Technik macht es möglich ein Fahrer mit weniger Begabung macht heute auf einer MGP eine gute Figur das hätte es früher nicht gegeben das gleiche hast du in der Formel 1 Leider!!!!!
This to me, underscores the greatness of Valentino Rossi. He won on 125, 250, and 500cc 2-strokes, then stepped over to the 4-stroke and reeled off 4 straight titles on 2 different bikes. Marquez had basically the same bike which was pretty much designed around him for his entire championship run.
Valentino is the GoaT
Electronic aids have ruined MOTGP. Very few of the current riders could tame the 500cc two stroke animals and Marquez would have killed himself or someone else with his riding aggression. Vale is the GOAT btw.
@rmzxr4395 no 2 ways everyone knows VaLentino Rossi is the GOAT of MotoGP
@@KellyLaird-qk9ku don't say that to Stoner. He will tell you that he himself is the greatest ever, nobody could do what he could!
This comparrison should not even take place :))). Rossi has proven his talent over and over again, on different bikes with different technologies. There is Rossi, and then the ones who follow.
And I am not a Rossi fan.... but talent is talent and it can't be taken away from him.
Absolutely 100% agree! Look how fast Dani is on the KTM! he whips everyone except Brad! Absolute legend!
Dani who?
@@kimocoloma4123 Dani Pedrosa. Lol
Casey was another level and rode around the problems especially on the Ducati at its worst.The F1 bikes of today make it much easier for someone to ride.
Troy Bayliss did a LOT of the development of that ducati before stoner got there.
@marcpaola1371 Funny who won the 2007 Championship when nobody else could ride the bike, beyond it's potential. # 27 Case closed .😉
@PaulConnor100 no not case closed it was developed and ready by the time Casey got on it. Troy has spoken at length about it.
@@marcpaola1371 😂🤣
Times change. Adapting is the key to success. If you took all the tech away the riders would adapt back to a stoner era. The real skill is using and exploiting any and everything that's available. Which is what we see.
I agree but I think what stoner is saying is that if you take away those electronics and aero how many of the top riders would be able to adapt and stay at the top
thanks a lot .. the concept of adaptation disappears everywhere today
I guess it comes down to what you are trying to showcase , the bike or the rider and since the riders are working for the manufacturers they will always favour the bikes. Personally I'd rather see no electronics ( the way I prefer to ride) and it come down to skill but I guess it's the manufacturers that fund the sport not the riders.
@@paulmolles4445 nobody is saying they arent fast, but the ranking would definitely be mixed up
@@fetB Kinda irrelevant though. Put them on 50cc scooters and the ranking will change. A bike with aids and without aids is a massive difference even in the way it'd be designed.
Gone are the days of the True Motorcyclists,such as Barry Sheene,Kenny Roberts,Wayne Gardner,Freddie Spencer,Mick Doohan,Kevin Scwantz to Valentino Rossi.
Absolutely correct. Traction control destroyed car racing as well. It's part of the reason classic car racing is growing in popularity as F1 becomes self-driving go-carts.
F1 has no Traction Control. F1 has no ABS.
in any competition, winner is always the person who played the rules of the game at the best as compared to others.
it is a fact that the technology is helping rider achieving better timing
Du mußt sagen die Technik gewinnt an erster stelle und dann der Fahrer!!
I grew up riding bikes in an era when a Z1300 or a CBX1000 was a sports bike.
The first bike I owned with ABS was a 2006 Suzuki Bandit SAK6.
I spent at least an hour riding up & down my road braking from only 40mph as hard as I dared wanting to experience what it felt like when the ABS kicked in. But as soon as the front compressed & the back end went light I instinctively let go of the front brake.
I guess that was a long ingrained survival response? But that has served me well.
Much younger friends are much faster than myself on their 2020+ bikes with loads of built in gadgets to stop them ending up in A&E.
However, I do wonder how they'd fair on a bike from my early days of riding? 🤔
Those I think were considered some of the first Superbikes. I've been riding for 45+ years and never even owned a bike with ABS. And just yesterday I had a car turn left in front of me while riding my XR150 and I was easily able to grab a handful of front brake w/out face planting myself and avoided the car. I bet all the other car drivers nearby thought I was going to hit him. The most modern bike I've owned was my '05 Buell XB12 SCG which was actually the best handling bike I had ridden and it was on the bottom end of available technology of its day. It's actually the only bike I ever had with a computer and that was for the fuel injection.
CBX 1000 was considered a sports bike for a couple of years, until the release of the CB 900, sure, but the Z 1300 was always a big heavy touring bike, nothing like a sports bike. The Kawasaki sports bike at the time was the Z 1000.
This sport is about whos the fastest. Do what ever you can within the rules to be in front. If you are less competence don't blame technology
Stoner is so annoying. I mean he is not wrong, but it’s getting tiring. Shouldn’t have retired so early if he has so many opinions…
With current technology, it is the best bike that wins not the best rider
@@stephenreid5707imagine in Motorsport the fastest wins lol
@@UntouchableRD - He retired early due to significant medical reasons.
@@ThermicLight exactly, he wants less rider aids. But had a career cut short from injury. Rider aids are by far safer.
Bang on...Stoner is totally right 👍
I think it's simple, riders who adapt well will last. Blaming bikes having too much technology is just as bad as blaming bikes having too little technology. Why not blame yourself for not being able to adapt the bike while others can?
Stoner nailed it. Even VR stated he was probably the best rider he ever competed against. It's not "old man" / "sour cherries" either.
MM had won 4 WC in 3 classes by 2016 when traction control was introduced, so I’m sure he knows how to ride the ass off it without aids….
Do you think most young adults with high performance cars such as M3s, M5s, RS6s, AMG63s etc etc could drive them without ABS, traction, ESP etc etc etc ? As the Chief Technician for the GTR program, Kazutoshi Mizuno said without the current software and hardware aids the car would kill you as to control such a machine on a road carries risk…
Huh? Traction control started with the 500's in the late 1990's. Marquez has never ridden a Motogp Bike without serious rider aids, particularly in his first years before the Control ECU was introduced.
@@submariner1348
Huh..??? Duh..!!!
@@submariner1348 the same specifications bike was also ridden by others also in marc era & marc was chmapion already
@@submariner1348duh. hater.
traction control was introduced wayy before 2016 man. a rider can ride well with electronics doesnt meant they didnt know how to ride, like casey said it just lessen the fun and human part of the sport, yes they are fast but the root of motogp was always about the rider not the bike
Just like in boxing you can't compare different riders from different era's with different technologies with respect to casey who I have always had great admiration for ' you have to ride what you've got' casey more than anyone knows this because this was his main strong point. As far as the technologies are concerned nothing we say will change anything 😊
stoner is 100% RIGHT.
Just as any other sport old players keep criticising the new generation to make them feel they were better. Evolution is part of life stop being bitter.
Come on, anyone who watched the 500cc two strokes, and then watered down 800cc and 1000cc remembers how MotoGP became more like F1, rider didn't matter as much as the bike. Even Lorenzo and Stoner already rode in an era where there was way more electronics compensating for them. It's not even close.
Spies said the same thing. Basicslly the last real talented moyorcycle riders are in WSBK, and motoGP are the most talented passengers.
Smooth is fast the electronics help to smooth out the bike far more than any human can but the rider is still the one that needs the feel to get any information out of the bike and the skill to know how to ride the bike and when to use what aerodynamics are cheaper to engineer than a new engine. To win you need to be faster than your competition this is what it takes….
WE MISS YOU CASEY STONER
YOU NOT WE.
The man who was told by his wife to retire from moto gp is speaking
Get a life and who knows maybe you will achieve some of stoners achievements 😊... Wish you all the best!
Thats because the traction control back then was wired between the seat and the helmet. The helmet mounted CPU controlled the power between the gloves and elbow. Its unfortunately foreign to many Motogp fans to understand this concept.
I disagree. If everyone has access to the same technology, the competition will be there among pilots... there have been improvements on tires, for instance. What we should do? return to tire technology from the fifties, so as we have less grip and more talent from pilots? To me it does not make too much sense those statements...
That doesn't make sense to you because you are thinking from a "SAFE" perspective. Realistically speaking, RACING WILL NEVER BE SAFE. Which obviously a legend like Stoner do know better.
Absolutely agreed, one of the main reasons why I stopped watching F1 and turned to MotoGP was because it was more raw and genuine. It seems to be moving away from honest racing over the last few years….Well done Stoner
I feel the same way WRC as well. ausi v8 supercars are pretty cool tho.
Casey Stoner is in my opinion one of the most capable riders in performance, riding skills and tech know how. An allround motorsport expert next to Dani Pedrosa.
Dani.
🤣🤣🤣🤣stoner had his day and dropped off..pedrosa is an amazing rider shown in development of the shitty,now great ktm …stoner should stick to sitting at the back of an Aussie touring car grid with his dummy
@@andyfry745 you must be an expert on the matter 🤡
Marc has dropped off also, he just doesn’t want to recognise it !
@@chrisbraid2907How has he dropped off?
I think it is more that riders don't get to develop their own potential as much as they should/want
Is a level field. Every ridert is under the same rules and technology. They must adjust or get out like Stoner did.
Es gelten nicht für alle die Gleichen Regeln, sondern das beste Werksteam macht die Regeln zu ihren Vorteil!! Siehe Ducati!! und die anderen hinken hinten nach!!in allem !! Jetzt Entscheidet die Technik, nicht mehr der Fahrer!!Zur Zeit kannst du nur mit Ducati Weltmeister werden, alle anderen Hersteller haben zur zeit keine Chance!! Leider!!! Stoner war der Beste Fahrer!!!
I agree of what Stoner says
Stoner never minces his words . MotoGP is becoming like F1. Time for a radical shift.
I agree. I dont' want to take away anything from this new era of riders, but Technology masks a lot of shortcomings of newer riders. You don't have to be as good anymore.
If electronic closes the field, then it’s a good thing. Having one rider blast off leading start to finish is not exciting to watch. Close up racing with multiple overtakes is exciting to watch.
I don't think so. And I have been watching since the 70's. The aero and electronics and bureaucracy are not making a better sport.
Stoner is absolutely right and note that he never claimed that today's riders are worse than those during his era. He says that regulations and politics have spoiled the whole ecosystem, including the riders who are now depending more on their electronics without which their bikes would be ridden in an entirely different fashion.
This is a great analogy on what happens in an economy when governments distort market signaling and capital allocation in the market with excessive regulations, bureaucratic costs, licensing restrictions and taxes.
Yoy can't blame the new riders, they are just players of an ever changing game.
I totally agree with Stoner on that and fair play to Stoner for speaking up about it
They called him stoner the moaner years ago because if it, but everything he said is true
@@SR22VET-S15 I know, I even did it myself (ok I said Stacey Moaner) which I came up with because of Lisa Simpsons Malibu Stacey doll 😂
It was more of a friendly slagging thing to wind up the Stoner fans on the motorcycle forum I was a member of back then than anything against Stoner himself though 😁
Stoner is spot on!
Exactly. Too many things added in the bike that it doesnt even look like a bike anymore. The wings are also sooo fkng ugly.
Shud up
Totally agree with him 👏 👏👏👏👏👏👏
Stoner had all the traction control he needed in his right hand.
Ultimately this is a question of is the Rider's Championship or the Manufacturers Championship more important. There is no doubt that with higher technology the rider matters less. That doesn't mean they're not skilled in their own way but percentage of speed due to the rider vs the machine is by default less the more there is technology that effects riding input.
Sometimes people keep forgetting that motorsports are in fact a team sport. It's not JUST about the rider. It's also about the hundreds, if not thousands of people, that are behind the scenes developing new techniques and technologies that eventually trickle down to the regular consumer. Less regulation would be better overall for the sport, but the drivers/riders would lose their so called "celebrity" status. That's why some are against it, despite their enormous talent. Also, everyone rides under the same set of regulations so... GIT GUD instead of complaining on the internet.
This the basic of Motorsport: drivers/riders are the overrated components of teams consist ton of engineering.
@@madjayax731Motorcycling used to be the exception to that "rule", but no more.
Das ist nicht Richtig was du da sagst!!Es geht nur ums Geld und um zu Gewinnen egal ob auf Ehrlicher weise oder um Betrug!!
Casey Stoner's is one unique rider with who speaks wisdom and logic about motogp setup
To me a guy who retired that soon after just some years of top riding should stay silent and respect those who decided to keep on risking their life under immense pressure, exactly what he didn't manage to achieve. Half of his career he has been named "Rolling Stoner" for a reason. He should stop acting like the best rider ever existed.
Er ist es auch, der Beste Fahrer ob es dir passt oder nicht!!Heute Spielt leider die Technik die große Rolle!!
Yes, stoner is 100%correct
Great riders adapt!
I haven’t watched MotoGP much since the Mick Doohan 500cc days. Now in THOSE days, the riders had true skills, not long after Mick’s last championship we saw The Doctor emerge and that was peak years for me.
Tell em'! Stoner had TC built in.
Facts everything this man is saying is so true I stopped watching MotoGP in 2019 because they all were complaining about bikes and how they weren't doing so good and it was just the Bikers is complaining and complaining and complaining
Ever since I've been watching world sbk and it's been such a difference everything has been so much better I would prefer if people did watch them instead the British brakes are way better
Even if you added these rider aids in the past the same riders who won would still be dominant. And almost all riders train in dirt tracks...so what is stoner talking about.
Exactly 💯 %
Stoner is absolutely right today's motogp doesn't feel exciting bzoc everything even the riders feels monotonous riders nowadays lacks personality and character the change was very much needed
Stoner needs to remember he never competed on a 500cc stroker ( unlike Rossi). The bike he rode were all 4 strokes. The 990’s were hairy but nowhere near a 500cc stroker.
And if he did, he would have been exceptional. But it's true that almost none of a given era's riders, rode the previous era's bikes. It's always what ifs.
@@andrewshipp2739 He never was exceptional and to think he could have ridden those strokers is a huge ask. Riders better than him Rainey, Doohan etc were eventually destroyed by them. Stoner was hardly in a different era. Rossi has not long been retired, he was older than Stoner is now when he stopped.
@@classicraceruk1337 haha. Stoner was never exceptional. I'm sorry but I disagree vehemently with that opinion.
@@andrewshipp2739 You can disagree if you like. A two times world champion does not make a rider exceptional. How would you rate the riders who have won five of more championships.Riders who won multiple World Championships and multiple IOM TT’s when they were in the championship. Then of course you come to the Exceptional Legend that was Sir John Surtees. On this factual basis I violently disagree with your strange reasoning on the word Exceptional. Stoner is not even the best Australian motorcycle racer that goes to Doohan.
@@classicraceruk1337you peanut
100% Right. Even Rossi said in the early days of the 4 stroke era that he felt like he was cheating.
Even different tyre manufacturers back then put the onus back on the rider.
Why can't we hear from his mouth with his own voice?
Exactly
I agree fully with Casey no electronic system at all and no areo Then we will see who the true best riders are.
Stoner the moaner
Yo said it better than anyone 👏 rating 💯
I am agree about Stoner opinion
Stoner remains the all time whining champion for Moto GP. Dude is always complaining about something. He was always miserable in the series, seemed like he'd rather be anywhere else. Boohoo, moto GP is politicized, it's too much technology, riders complain too much. Good lord man, can you be any more of a "get off my lawn" guy? Does anyone remember even one press conference with this guy where he wasn't complaining about something, whether it be the series itself or another rider? Insane talent and one of the best riders I've ever seen, but the dude is like the Donkey from Winnie the pooh out here 😂
The guy needs to stay in his lane.
M.Marquez came up through moto two, no traction controll, and rode the thing harder than anyone ealse, I didn’t think he’d last more than a couple of seasons he was so fast and reckless.!!!! He may have lost a bit of his edge over the years but II think he and a few others can ride whatever you give them and back up to speed after a couple of races, tyre life and injuries might be another story, which ironically was the original reason for rider aids..!!!! Seems the show, and the money is more important now.!!???
Pedrosa comes back for two races and kicks butts. It's pretty clear.
Definitely. And on top of that, riders in touch with their motorcycle through feeling and without tech assists will result in more spectacular racing.
It has become like photography where software and camera equipment take the place of photographic skill and knowledge. Innovation lessons rider skill on the bike and puts it on the motorcycle. That said, the riders are still over the top in skill compared to other riders that haven’t made it to MotoGp.
Coming from very probably the most naturally gifted riders ever, I'll definitely go with what Casey says.
Sometimes too much can be a problem
I hate when retired athletes bad mouth the current crop....
I think MotoGP has to be careful as in my opinion all the latest technology killed F1
Well said, champion
I remember way back comments about Honda ignoring Dani's advice for the developement of the bike and focusing on Marc only thus creating a bike that only he could ride and eventualy he couldnt either. Really sad to think that brutal bike basically retired Lorenzo.
The 2 strokes were 160hp. The current 1000s are 280+hp. Does Stoner really think he could ride the current breed of bikes without rider aids?
Nope. The 500's were 200+ bhp and 135 kg. Most of that power was delivered in a very narrow power band. That's why they were difficult to master at the limit.
Of course he could 🤦♂️
Stoner rode 4 strokes, so what’s your point? Doohan rode 2T and there’s no rider today as good as he was
Of course he could, stoner and guys at his level (not many) can ride anything
@@ronanrogers4127 point is that we've had rider aids since the 4 strokes came along into motogp.
He's completely correct 💯
Every generation of rider can then use this same argument. According to this logic the very best riders were the very first generation of motorcycle racers.
Stoner very good rider a real champion
Prior to electronics, we used to call him crasher Stoner, how ironic. Ducati only won with Stoner because they were the only ones using the Bridgestone tyre. The following year, Rossi beat him on a slower bike. Credit where it’s due; when Stoner went to Honda, he was a beast, would loved to have seen him go against Marquez for a couple of seasons.
They called him rolling Stoner
Riders today have it easier than the riders of yesterday . While they are exceptional, the talent to ride 500 2strokes was probably better . It took even more talent to ride the badest monster in GP history , the 750 2stroke . So much so that by the end of that era of racing there was but a small handful who could hang on . When the 500 was introduced the level of competition became a little more even . I understand about exhaust emissions but those were great times to have seen that level of race machines . Nothing beat the smell of 2 stroke oil waffing through the air !
could not agree more, this is also evident on production bikes nowadays having ABS, EBS, QS etc…making the bike easier to ride/safer but not necessary to have the right riding skills.
Leider" Richtig" deswegen kaufe ich mir nur Bikes ohne diese ganze Technik, denn da macht das Driften spaß wenn man es kann!!!
The truth is that stoner could not keep up with then rookie Marquez, if he wanted to prove he could have stayed back and performed and retired and keep blaming everyone, if you want to prove just return and show you have it , not criticizing others
stoner retired before MM joined MotoGP…. 😂
@@yingchaogay5742He retired BECAUSE MM joined MotoGP.
@@CC-xu2yzMM took his spot, if he didnt retire MM wouldn't have a seat at Honda
@@yingchaogay5742They were literally planned to be teammates.
Dummkopf!!
Back in the day of big horsepower 500cc 2 stroke 3 and V4 engines, it was all rider ability. Those bikes were extremely difficult to ride fast.
The TZ750 that was raced everywhere and heavily modified. The one Kenny Roberts rode to win the Indy Mile flat track was a miracle he finished unhurt.
Of course some technology should be allowed to improve rideability. Hopefully they get it right to keep interest in racing