That should be an easy one for runners to take advantage of. He's starting his motion with the glove dip. An attentive runner would catch that and run on it rather than the leg left.
That's what I was going to comment- if the umps are saying the dip is part of his motion then surely runners can take off during the dip and he'd be unable to disengage.
That's it. When he lowers his hands the pitch has started and he is committed to pitch. Instead of complaining, offense should be playing accordingly and steeling bases. It is not a balk because, once start moving down, he moves continuously and delivers the pitch. If he has a second motion stop, that would be double set, hence, balk. (Edited thanks to @Subangelis)
I agree........if Rocco was smarter he's let the umpire at 1st base know between innings quietly and then tell his runners to steal....if by chance the pitcher then threw over it would be an easy balk call
That was Taylor’s first ejection. He has been playing for 10 years. He normally is a very quiet guy. He normally allows his coaches to talk. You have to wonder if Baldelli wasn’t ejected if he would have said anything at all.
2:44 is the "habitual pitching motion" mentioned anywhere in the rulebook? Watching the MLB I often think many pitchers are balking routinely. Is it OK as long as it's every pitch? What happens if they bounce 3 times instead of 2 one pitch, that a balk?
Short answer? Yes. Long answer: balks are effectively actions taken to deceive the batter or runners. If you cut short an action you take to get one by, it’s a balk
@@zealot2147Careful. That's a no and another no. There is not a "do every time excuse" in the rule. The rule does not define balk as deceive, and specially, does not define a deception as balk. Balk is to try to protect the runners (not batters) from being deceived, listing a limited number of forbidden actions. That means pitcher can still deceive runners, as long they don't do anything on the list. On the other hand, if it is on the list, he can be doing the forbidden action since 4 years old t-ball to World Series, it is still balk all and every time.
No. Bouncing 3 instead of 2, or 2 instead of 3 is not a balk, as long there is continued movement since the start of movement (lowering slightly the hands, in the case of the video, for example) and the pitcher is delivered. Balk would be "starting moving and then stopping" or "starting moving and not delivering the pitch". Doing all the time or first time in life, is not cause for balk (or else, every first pitch in career should be balk 😉)
@@helviojr - Except when there is a "do every time excuse" in the rules... 8.05 If there is a runner, or runners, it is a balk when- (a) The pitcher, while touching his plate, makes any motion naturally associated with his pitch and fails to make such delivery;
@@Subangelis Yes, but for the opposite effect. If he does what he does every time to deliver and doesn't deliver, that could be a balk, dependingon the umpire judgment. But, if he does every time a movement that the rule lists as invalid, it is balk every time there is runner on base, and illegal pitch every time there are no runners.
If the runners were any good or the base coaches at least they’d tell them to run as soon as he starts to slowly move his glove down. It’s not a balk in my book as long as he continues the motion and doesn’t stop again.
He had a 94% accuracy which is not great for an ump. 161 pitch calls and he got 10 of them wrong and 2 of them were called strikes on Taylor, one during his first AB and one during his third AB.
I agree, dude was balking just about every time…….woulda been interesting to see how they handled it if the runner broke and the pitcher cleared the rubber.
@@FAB_GNCI think in all umpire's opinion. If the umpires didn't consider that a start and stop, they surely consider that the start of delivering, thus if he does not deliver, it would be a balk (for example picking off).
It's absolutely true that even tiny movements are used by pitchers to try and deceive the runner but this is actually ridiculous... Like, does he think pitchers are robots? Must have wanted to get home early.
Rocco shows that a little knowledge only makes you dangerous.... to yourself... great catch that catcher and that fan... when are they going to learn.. until they have a challenge system in place.. that stupid box is the one that is wrong when the ump calls it differenlty.. the rulebook tells you balls/strikes calls are final...Like I tell players that like to argue.. if the pitch hits the dugout and the ump calls it a strike.. it's a strike... yeah, not near the rulebook definition... give him a look that says huh... but keep your mouth shut... you can't win that argument.
This ignorance by Baldelli reminds me of an umpire I once worked with. The first time there was a runner at 3B only the pitcher went into the windup. As soon as the pitcher dropped his pivot foot into the depression in front of the rubber, he called a balk and no one knew why. This was a summer HS league game and I knew both coaches well. The defensive team's head coach came out and asked if I knew what the balk was for. I told him I had no idea but that I would find out. I walked up to my partner and asked what the balk was for and he replied that the pitcher broke contact with the rubber when his foot slid into the depression in front of the rubber. It was the first, and only time, I had ever heard of such a thing. At the time I had about 6 years seniority on this guy. I told him that if he ever made that balk call again I would reverse it on the spot. Yeah, technically it's a balk and yeah, technically I can't reverse his call. But stupid is as stupid does is not allowed on my ball field and I WILL fix stupid on my ballfield.
@@FAB_GNC Yes, I will address it on the field when an umpire makes a stupid balk call that no one with any sensible rules knowledge has EVER made. Especially when I have talked to that umpire on the field at the time it happened, and let the call stand. Note that I did NOT overrule his call, merely told him I would if he made it again. It should also be noted that he never made that call, to my knowledge, ever again. You may not like my approach, and honestly, I don't care whether you do or don't.
@@FAB_GNC Embarrass who? My conversation in this instance was quiet and private. Maybe if you Momo's stopped making assumptions you'd find time to get your heads out of your back passages.
@@garygemmell3488 So your judgement is driven by your feelings about the rule being "stupid" or not? Maybe your assignor is the one that should be having a "quiet and private" conversation with you about your "feelings" and the rulebook.
@@TheRubyrott No. There are many ways to deceive the runner as long as he does not violate one of the 13 infractions listed in the rules. Which rule did he violate?
The last ejection proves we don’t need 2 umpires to handle 1 ejectee. They’ll storm off on their own after they’ve done having their say. There is no rush for arguments. There are enough clocks already. They should focus on shortening the commercial breaks between innings and lessening advertisements which everyone hates instead of the arguments which help the ratings. If they don’t storm off then start walking towards dugout. If that doesn’t work someone on bench will go get them. Only time there should be another umpire joining is if there is a crowd of people arguing with 1 umpire or if an argument gets physically violent a second umpire should grab the ejecting umpire away while team would grab the player/manager away from the confrontation. You 21st century umpires can call me whatever you want, this is the way we handled things and we got along fine. If anything we got along better. Lot more people were interested in umpiring and umpires didn’t get bashed in media as often. Overall we were more talkative/personable but were more understanding of team’s frustrations and didn’t give the hook as quick as the 21st century umpires.
It would have been hilarious to also see the assistant of the assistant hitting coach get the hook. I think the ump was right not to call it a balk, but I don't think it's right that Baldelli should get fined for that ejection.
@@kinkaid7477 I think it is petty for the league to fine so much, and for your run-of-the-mill ejections. I think most people would agree that establishing a culture of fining is a bad business practice. For example people often leave banks go to credit union's because they are getting fined so much. Save the fining for only the worst behavior and put the money collected in a charitable fund, or maybe a fund to improve things down in A or AA ball.
MLB players, coaches , and managers need to completely ignore the umpires. Umps want to be a part of the game rather than officials, don't let them be. After exchanging line-up card, don't have another word to say to them. Don't argue balls and strike, check swings nothing. On the other hand don't talk to them, look at them. Don't offer help when they get hit by a foul ball, nothing. all of their dramatics when calling a third strike, all to be a part of the show, BS. Totally ignore them and the BS will stop. They will learn the strike zone, or be reported. Start protesting more games, just to be a thorn in the side. Just don't talk to the umps. I realize that not all of them are bad, but they all belong to the same union and should be treated the same way. Have a nice day.
or, it could be interpreted as the start of the pitch. Where is it written that after the pitcher comes set, he can't start his pitch by moving the glove downward slowly? Now, if he starts the pitch that way and THEN does something else(step off, throw over) then THATS a balk
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That should be an easy one for runners to take advantage of. He's starting his motion with the glove dip. An attentive runner would catch that and run on it rather than the leg left.
That's what I was going to comment- if the umps are saying the dip is part of his motion then surely runners can take off during the dip and he'd be unable to disengage.
That's it. When he lowers his hands the pitch has started and he is committed to pitch. Instead of complaining, offense should be playing accordingly and steeling bases. It is not a balk because, once start moving down, he moves continuously and delivers the pitch. If he has a second motion stop, that would be double set, hence, balk. (Edited thanks to @Subangelis)
I agree........if Rocco was smarter he's let the umpire at 1st base know between innings quietly and then tell his runners to steal....if by chance the pitcher then threw over it would be an easy balk call
@@helviojr *offense
LOL, assistant coach go bye bye.
When are assistant hitting coaches gonna realize no one pays to come see them.
😉
Lindsay, Please cover "Ort retires Taylor after review". 10th inning of 6/21 Twins/Sox game.
On a side note, I really enjoyed that "Excuse me, who?". 😂
Derek is my hitting coach so I’m kinda offended😂😂
Was watching this one live. Knew Taylor was going to get tossed after the Check-swing call.
"Excuse me, who?" at 4:42 is hilarious
That was phenomenal,
@@craiglange605 I'm sure that was a joke,
That was Taylor’s first ejection. He has been playing for 10 years. He normally is a very quiet guy. He normally allows his coaches to talk. You have to wonder if Baldelli wasn’t ejected if he would have said anything at all.
Baldelli was given a very clear warning to stop. Barrett had every right to toss him. 🤦♂
Could of been avoided if just one of the 4 umps on the field saw the clear balk(s).
@@brianmullaney6237 There was no balk. He paused, then slowly started his motion to the plate.
You are another one who should learn the balk rules. This is not a balk.
Thought the batboy was going to get tossed too. Sheesh.
2:44 is the "habitual pitching motion" mentioned anywhere in the rulebook? Watching the MLB I often think many pitchers are balking routinely. Is it OK as long as it's every pitch? What happens if they bounce 3 times instead of 2 one pitch, that a balk?
Short answer? Yes.
Long answer: balks are effectively actions taken to deceive the batter or runners. If you cut short an action you take to get one by, it’s a balk
@@zealot2147Careful. That's a no and another no. There is not a "do every time excuse" in the rule. The rule does not define balk as deceive, and specially, does not define a deception as balk. Balk is to try to protect the runners (not batters) from being deceived, listing a limited number of forbidden actions. That means pitcher can still deceive runners, as long they don't do anything on the list. On the other hand, if it is on the list, he can be doing the forbidden action since 4 years old t-ball to World Series, it is still balk all and every time.
No. Bouncing 3 instead of 2, or 2 instead of 3 is not a balk, as long there is continued movement since the start of movement (lowering slightly the hands, in the case of the video, for example) and the pitcher is delivered. Balk would be "starting moving and then stopping" or "starting moving and not delivering the pitch". Doing all the time or first time in life, is not cause for balk (or else, every first pitch in career should be balk 😉)
@@helviojr - Except when there is a "do every time excuse" in the rules...
8.05 If there is a runner, or runners, it is a balk when-
(a) The pitcher, while touching his plate, makes any motion naturally associated with
his pitch and fails to make such delivery;
@@Subangelis Yes, but for the opposite effect. If he does what he does every time to deliver and doesn't deliver, that could be a balk, dependingon the umpire judgment. But, if he does every time a movement that the rule lists as invalid, it is balk every time there is runner on base, and illegal pitch every time there are no runners.
Amazing how we are so concerned about pace of play but managers want freeze frame reviews of a pitchers set and wind up motions.
If the runners were any good or the base coaches at least they’d tell them to run as soon as he starts to slowly move his glove down. It’s not a balk in my book as long as he continues the motion and doesn’t stop again.
the home plate umpire was absolutely awful calling balls and strikes for both sides tonight.
He wasn’t bad
He was awful, I can't wait for the umpire scorecard tomorrow. He was calling balls 6 inches below the zone strikes for both teams tonight.
He was calling strikes 6 inches low, but consistently. Tough when you're locked in to temporarily change your eye for that.
He had a 94% accuracy which is not great for an ump. 161 pitch calls and he got 10 of them wrong and 2 of them were called strikes on Taylor, one during his first AB and one during his third AB.
@@ktrogue8178 Tough night for the hitters. Wonder if his zone in past games were equally broad, especially low.
Must be some gathering these guys wanted to leave work early for
An assistant hitting coach getting ejected should be an immediate forfeit of the game.
Baldelli...more like Balkdelli amiright
Fines should be for umpires... they have no clue
The umpires were right, that is not a balk.
I agree, dude was balking just about every time…….woulda been interesting to see how they handled it if the runner broke and the pitcher cleared the rubber.
You apparently don't know what constitutes a balk. There were no balks here.
Would it then be a balk if he doesn’t do it? Or goes to pick off during the down motion?
@@FAB_GNCI think in all umpire's opinion. If the umpires didn't consider that a start and stop, they surely consider that the start of delivering, thus if he does not deliver, it would be a balk (for example picking off).
That's nonsense that he can get ejected from the dugout then run out to have more of a cry. That shit should get you fined even more and a suspension.
Tigers wiff at a chance to close the gap for first place in the AL Central.
It's absolutely true that even tiny movements are used by pitchers to try and deceive the runner but this is actually ridiculous... Like, does he think pitchers are robots?
Must have wanted to get home early.
Assistants hitting coach needs to be quiet! Go assist somewhere
Good umpiring here.
When 3 people get ran, it’s not the players or managers that are the problem.
Wrong, totally wrong.
Number of ejections doesn’t logically get you to that conclusion. The reason behind each does.
Woah that's brutal; running the assistant to the hitting coach. At least he can pick up the hitting coach's dry cleaning early.
Assistant coaches need to learn they have no authority to argue with the umpires.
Wow 😂😂😂😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Rocco shows that a little knowledge only makes you dangerous.... to yourself... great catch that catcher and that fan... when are they going to learn.. until they have a challenge system in place.. that stupid box is the one that is wrong when the ump calls it differenlty.. the rulebook tells you balls/strikes calls are final...Like I tell players that like to argue.. if the pitch hits the dugout and the ump calls it a strike.. it's a strike... yeah, not near the rulebook definition... give him a look that says huh... but keep your mouth shut... you can't win that argument.
This ignorance by Baldelli reminds me of an umpire I once worked with. The first time there was a runner at 3B only the pitcher went into the windup. As soon as the pitcher dropped his pivot foot into the depression in front of the rubber, he called a balk and no one knew why. This was a summer HS league game and I knew both coaches well. The defensive team's head coach came out and asked if I knew what the balk was for. I told him I had no idea but that I would find out. I walked up to my partner and asked what the balk was for and he replied that the pitcher broke contact with the rubber when his foot slid into the depression in front of the rubber. It was the first, and only time, I had ever heard of such a thing. At the time I had about 6 years seniority on this guy. I told him that if he ever made that balk call again I would reverse it on the spot. Yeah, technically it's a balk and yeah, technically I can't reverse his call. But stupid is as stupid does is not allowed on my ball field and I WILL fix stupid on my ballfield.
@@FAB_GNC Yes, I will address it on the field when an umpire makes a stupid balk call that no one with any sensible rules knowledge has EVER made. Especially when I have talked to that umpire on the field at the time it happened, and let the call stand. Note that I did NOT overrule his call, merely told him I would if he made it again. It should also be noted that he never made that call, to my knowledge, ever again. You may not like my approach, and honestly, I don't care whether you do or don't.
@@FAB_GNC Embarrass who? My conversation in this instance was quiet and private. Maybe if you Momo's stopped making assumptions you'd find time to get your heads out of your back passages.
@@garygemmell3488 So your judgement is driven by your feelings about the rule being "stupid" or not? Maybe your assignor is the one that should be having a "quiet and private" conversation with you about your "feelings" and the rulebook.
Balk!
Not a balk!
@@alanhess9306 On the contrary!
@@TheRubyrott He came to a complete stop then slowly started his motion to pitch. That is not a balk.
@@alanhess9306 A balk is all about deceiving a runner, right?
@@TheRubyrott No. There are many ways to deceive the runner as long as he does not violate one of the 13 infractions listed in the rules. Which rule did he violate?
The last ejection proves we don’t need 2 umpires to handle 1 ejectee. They’ll storm off on their own after they’ve done having their say. There is no rush for arguments. There are enough clocks already. They should focus on shortening the commercial breaks between innings and lessening advertisements which everyone hates instead of the arguments which help the ratings. If they don’t storm off then start walking towards dugout. If that doesn’t work someone on bench will go get them. Only time there should be another umpire joining is if there is a crowd of people arguing with 1 umpire or if an argument gets physically violent a second umpire should grab the ejecting umpire away while team would grab the player/manager away from the confrontation. You 21st century umpires can call me whatever you want, this is the way we handled things and we got along fine. If anything we got along better. Lot more people were interested in umpiring and umpires didn’t get bashed in media as often. Overall we were more talkative/personable but were more understanding of team’s frustrations and didn’t give the hook as quick as the 21st century umpires.
It would have been hilarious to also see the assistant of the assistant hitting coach get the hook. I think the ump was right not to call it a balk, but I don't think it's right that Baldelli should get fined for that ejection.
Why?
He warned and Rocco kept going. That's the exact reason to eject.
When the umpire says no more, that means shutup,
I've never heard of someone not getting fined following an ejection.
@@kinkaid7477 I think it is petty for the league to fine so much, and for your run-of-the-mill ejections. I think most people would agree that establishing a culture of fining is a bad business practice. For example people often leave banks go to credit union's because they are getting fined so much. Save the fining for only the worst behavior and put the money collected in a charitable fund, or maybe a fund to improve things down in A or AA ball.
@danhenderson7010 i think the money does go to charity, but if you don't wanna get fined, don't get ejected. Not that hard,
MLB needs More F-Bombs....to show young fans how to be a Real Pro Ball Player....=((
MLB players, coaches , and managers need to completely ignore the umpires. Umps want to be a part of the game rather than officials, don't let them be. After exchanging line-up card, don't have another word to say to them. Don't argue balls and strike, check swings nothing. On the other hand don't talk to them, look at them. Don't offer help when they get hit by a foul ball, nothing. all of their dramatics when calling a third strike, all to be a part of the show, BS. Totally ignore them and the BS will stop. They will learn the strike zone, or be reported. Start protesting more games, just to be a thorn in the side. Just don't talk to the umps. I realize that not all of them are bad, but they all belong to the same union and should be treated the same way. Have a nice day.
Protests are not allowed in MLB.
Another #UmpShow.
dreadful Umpire calls hahah Jom boy missed all this
Its a balk Umpires BS
or, it could be interpreted as the start of the pitch. Where is it written that after the pitcher comes set, he can't start his pitch by moving the glove downward slowly? Now, if he starts the pitch that way and THEN does something else(step off, throw over) then THATS a balk
You don't know what a balk is.
Oh Rocco, you're killing baseball