The Divine Liturgy as Mystical Experience - Dr. David Bradshaw

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  • Опубликовано: 12 ноя 2020
  • In this episode, Dr. Bradshaw discusses a paper he presented at a conference in Moscow, Russia, on the historical Christian patristic meaning of mystical experience.
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Комментарии • 12

  • @huntsidway
    @huntsidway 3 года назад +6

    It would be impossible to overstate how significant this seven minute video is. Thank you!

  • @harrihuovinen9706
    @harrihuovinen9706 3 года назад +2

    Amen, Amen, Amen! Thank you so much for sharing this!

  • @tuck-brainwks-eutent-hidva1098
    @tuck-brainwks-eutent-hidva1098 3 года назад

    This was fascinating. I was trained in a Spiritual Direction program (while I was moving into Orthodox practice, but before I was chrismated) that was very broad-based, but largely Western in worldview. (However, the director's being Indian made for an interesting Eastern foothold for me!) I found it strange to encounter the notion (in people like St. John of the Cross, Hildegarde of Bingen, etc.) that mysticism is assumed to be private and amorphous ("The Cloud of Unknowing"!) -- and QUIET! All true sometimes, and in part - initiation into the ancient Orthodox rites deepens private faith practice, to be sure, and there is often a hush around the recognition of the "ineffable" reality of God, etc.... I wonder, also, how historical factors added to the Church's understanding of its worship as "mystical" -- "eyes closed, lips closed" for/about the rites sounds like a pretty smart policy for people who were being brutally martyred daily by the surrounding culture of "uninitiates" wielding immense political power -- "The doors -- the doors!"

  • @niklassarri108
    @niklassarri108 3 года назад +4

    I'm not sure if this is the right forum for this question, but i can't find an answer to this anywhere. Can you wear an Orthodox cross (as a pendant) if you are not baptised in an Orthodox church?
    I was baptised in a protestant church, but as many others in Sweden today, this church has not much to offer. I have been (as most of us who are interested in Orthodoxy) reading a lot and watching youtube channels about this.
    There is no Orthodox Church around here, and I realize that this is as close as I can get to Orthodox beliefs. I believe the cross could remind me of staying on the right path, or keeping the aim on the right things in life. Are there any thoughts on this? If this is just not appropriate, then i don't want to use it, of course.

    • @ProtectingVeil
      @ProtectingVeil  3 года назад +4

      Hi Niklas! Very glad to hear from you. In answer to your question...yes, this would be fine. Also, if you can find a prayer rope, that would be a good thing to keep close at hand to remind you to pray at all times. Have you read The Way of a Pilgrim yet? You may find great spiritual inspiration in that book. Also, perhaps you can go on pilgrimage to Mount Athos at some point? That would be a great blessing...and you could get spiritual counsel there. May God strengthen and encourage you, even though you are physically far from an Orthodox parish!

    • @niklassarri108
      @niklassarri108 3 года назад

      @@ProtectingVeil Thank you very much for your reply.
      I have a lot to learn, but I can educate myself - we live in a place and time where this is more possible than ever before. Like now, for instance. I have not read that book, but that is the next one i will read.
      I think I can find a prayer rope - good idea, i need to try that. Thank you for your advice.
      Regards, Niklas

    • @tuck-brainwks-eutent-hidva1098
      @tuck-brainwks-eutent-hidva1098 3 года назад

      @@niklassarri108 If you haven't discovered Orthodox Review on RUclips yet, it's a quirky little channel where our brother Raphael reviews (mostly) Orthodox books. He has several videos on prayer ropes, lestovkas, etc., though, that might be helpful....May God bless your journey!

    • @StCausesARuckus
      @StCausesARuckus 5 месяцев назад

      ​@@niklassarri108How has life been going for you in Orthodoxy?

    • @niklassarri108
      @niklassarri108 5 месяцев назад +1

      @@StCausesARuckus I found an Eastern Orthodox perish about 600 km south from my hometown, I converted on my second visit and was baptized. Think it is four years ago this year. Both my kids are baptized three years ago, turning 7 and 9 years old this fall.
      I have been living in faith since I started praying, and both my kids are very secure in orthodoxy and have a strong belief and orthodox identity. I have done two piligrim travels to Mount Athos, and i have a spiritual Father in Greece since a year back, met him during my first visit to Athos.
      I have a few very good orthodox friends, and we look after each other.
      So, in spite of (or because of) the secular-protestant climate in the north of sweden, I have found a simplicity in my Orthodoxy that my Spiritual Father encourages.
      Thank you very much for asking - I needed that at this point!

  • @user-uc3qg3pq4w
    @user-uc3qg3pq4w 3 года назад +4

    This is good though The word 'mystical' does seem to have the problem of it having been appropriated by western spirituality and now has connotations of fantasy/imagination/sentamentalism etc