I'd like to see Dorico come with a plugin that you can use to mimic exactly how Speedy Entry and Simple Entry work. This way, existing Dorico users don't have to do anything and Finale users can migrate without too much pain. I love Finale. It has problems but you can sit and type in a score like you would a Word document. It's so much faster and easier than using a keyboard. I also tend to use Finale muted with midi turned off and have Ivory open so I can use a decent piano, work ideas out, then type them in.
OMG, why can't ANY other engraving app do the ONE thing that Finale does better than any other? That is: Speedy Note Entry using arrow keys and the numeric keypad. This is a no brainer. Using letter keys for notes might sound logical to an engineer, but if you look where those keys are on a QWERTY keyboard, it makes zero sense. In Finale, I can EASILY use the arrow keys to navigate up or down, left or right, and then get to the barline needed, enter my note value with the keyboard, and then I can enter the harmonies likewise. I can enter complex music in Finale with this method in minutes. Will one company adopt this approach? I've been doing this since 1994!
I am not a Finale user so the idea of inputting notes using numbers doesn't make much sense to me (how would you specify pitch and register?). I think note letters make perfect sense - however much faster than this is using a midi keyboard. I just play the notes in, and use the numpad to select rhythmic values and move around staves, even entering music on multiple staves at once. I've been using Dorico for a couple years now and it seems blazing fast to me, I think perhaps it just takes getting used to a different methodology - but def I think a midi keyboard is the fastest!
@@jonathanwingmusicYou specify the pitch of the note using the arrow keys to go up or down the staff, then press the number key that corresponds to the note duration to enter it. It’s super fast!
The best method by far is a midi controller if available. Apart from this one, which is there in any software with small differences, after trying various ways I can tell there is no quality difference on the different solutions achieved by the companies as long as you get used to a system. The muscle memory will do the rest!
Agreed. The lack of this is what stopped me from moving to Dorico 6 years ago despite really liking their Flows feature (as I wrote then in a Reddit thread, "why fumble with 7 keys when I can use just 3 - "up", "down", "enter"?") Unfortunately, no other notation software seems to have this feature either.
Speedy Note Entry is the fastest and easiest way to enter music that I have found. I prefer to keep things as simple as possible, and I use a laptop by itself, without any external device like a midi controller or keyboard. How hard would it be for another program to incorporate the Finale-style Speedy Entry?
What is the Finale Speedy Note Entry equivalent in Dorico? I'm a full time composer and trying not to spend half my life figuring out how to use a midi keyboard to enter notes rather than a computer keyboard. Can Dorico do this?
The title of the video says "note input", but this video never says how to input a note. Unfortunately, this is the worst tutorial-like video, I have ever seen. On the screen, many things are happening, but basically nothing is explained. You don't have to tell me, WHAT you can do. In a "switch from Finale to Dorico" video I want to know, HOW I do this stuff. If Dorico didn't have these features, MakeMusic would never have recommended it at all.
This comes across more like a "don't worry Finale users" advertisement than a tutorial. Nothing about pitch selection via keyboard, for instance. It is more showing off features than a step-by-step how-to.
Thanks for the great intro to the rhythmic grid and entering durations, etc. -- but the tutorial really needs to cover pitch input as well. What are the options? I can see mouse is an option, and I'm sure MIDI is likely an option, but what about keyboard options? It looks like holding down option-up and option-down is a way to move the pitch cursor, but then needing to release option before choosing a duration is very slow.
How is this supposed to help us transition from Finale? There is so little mention to the Finale workflow at all. Note input is not only consisted of quarters and eighths... there is no mention about more complex tuplets, nested tuplets of any kind or any practical comparison at all to note entry modes of Finale. This video made me more perplexed than I was before viewing it. I am sorry but it is very hard to convince power users / professionals that with Dorico note input is better than Finale. Even MuseScore is more logical on this aspect.
Dorico is not a bad software. Even more, it's probably the most powerfull music engraver just now. Even of that, it's not the kind of tool that Finale Users need. We all know that finale has awful problems. But we choised it because you just can do exactly what you want. With a lot of work, but the result is exactly what you want to see. Here we have a program that just everything correct. But sometimes, you need to make "incorrect" out of convention things to get an specific score. With Dorico, this is a Nightmare.
See, my issue with this is not how simple it is. It's how "basic" it is. Like take 5:00 for example. "If you enter a half note in a 12/8 bar, Dorico will automatically enter it as a dotted quarter tied to an eighth." OK, well, what if for some reason, I WANTED a half note there? Do I now have to go into all of these settings or tweak a bunch of things rather than Dorico just trusting the user to know what they want as they are entering notes?
How do you activate the caret function? Apparently the author left this important point out so here it is. Activate the caret in any of the following ways: Select an item and press Shift-N or Return. Double-click the rhythmic position on the staff where you want to begin inputting notes.
Hi. Why no “switching from Sibelius” series? Iv had Dorico for a few years now and still can’t cope with the differences between software that’s engrained in my finger memory. Could you do videos to help relearning this please?
Can I suggest having a look through this playlist of videos that walk you through every aspect of note input in Dorico? ruclips.net/p/PLoyaeouPUsdtW_KEJjgEDTLhHnjYR3b6E&feature=shared
Yeah, let's just say this is no Jason Loffredo. As others have mentioned, the "tutorial" is extremely superficial. The few keyboard commands that are mentioned are shown on screen only once and are gone before you can blink. When the author uses them later on, the commands he uses are not shown anymore. Not to mention the fact that the video does not even cover the (albeit extremely exotic and advanced) dotted note, let alone actual complex rhythms. @Dorico if you really want to convince die hard Finale users to make the switch through videos like this, put Mr. Loffredo on your payroll asap to get some proper tutorials going.
This is PAINFUL. I have used Finale decades.... this seems incredibly time consuming and not very efficient..... not a happy camper... I know it will take time and patience.. but I have charts to write now 🙄
What a horrible tutorial! I’m trying to follow your instructions for my score, but nothing works, like when I try to select bars or notes like you show at 2:03, I only get a hand icon that moves the entire page. The pace is too fast and it assumes too much prior knowledge from Finale users.
I'd like to see Dorico come with a plugin that you can use to mimic exactly how Speedy Entry and Simple Entry work. This way, existing Dorico users don't have to do anything and Finale users can migrate without too much pain. I love Finale. It has problems but you can sit and type in a score like you would a Word document. It's so much faster and easier than using a keyboard. I also tend to use Finale muted with midi turned off and have Ivory open so I can use a decent piano, work ideas out, then type them in.
OMG, why can't ANY other engraving app do the ONE thing that Finale does better than any other? That is: Speedy Note Entry using arrow keys and the numeric keypad. This is a no brainer. Using letter keys for notes might sound logical to an engineer, but if you look where those keys are on a QWERTY keyboard, it makes zero sense. In Finale, I can EASILY use the arrow keys to navigate up or down, left or right, and then get to the barline needed, enter my note value with the keyboard, and then I can enter the harmonies likewise. I can enter complex music in Finale with this method in minutes. Will one company adopt this approach? I've been doing this since 1994!
I am not a Finale user so the idea of inputting notes using numbers doesn't make much sense to me (how would you specify pitch and register?). I think note letters make perfect sense - however much faster than this is using a midi keyboard. I just play the notes in, and use the numpad to select rhythmic values and move around staves, even entering music on multiple staves at once. I've been using Dorico for a couple years now and it seems blazing fast to me, I think perhaps it just takes getting used to a different methodology - but def I think a midi keyboard is the fastest!
@@jonathanwingmusicYou specify the pitch of the note using the arrow keys to go up or down the staff, then press the number key that corresponds to the note duration to enter it. It’s super fast!
The best method by far is a midi controller if available. Apart from this one, which is there in any software with small differences, after trying various ways I can tell there is no quality difference on the different solutions achieved by the companies as long as you get used to a system. The muscle memory will do the rest!
Agreed. The lack of this is what stopped me from moving to Dorico 6 years ago despite really liking their Flows feature (as I wrote then in a Reddit thread, "why fumble with 7 keys when I can use just 3 - "up", "down", "enter"?")
Unfortunately, no other notation software seems to have this feature either.
Speedy Note Entry is the fastest and easiest way to enter music that I have found. I prefer to keep things as simple as possible, and I use a laptop by itself, without any external device like a midi controller or keyboard. How hard would it be for another program to incorporate the Finale-style Speedy Entry?
What is the Finale Speedy Note Entry equivalent in Dorico? I'm a full time composer and trying not to spend half my life figuring out how to use a midi keyboard to enter notes rather than a computer keyboard. Can Dorico do this?
The title of the video says "note input", but this video never says how to input a note. Unfortunately, this is the worst tutorial-like video, I have ever seen. On the screen, many things are happening, but basically nothing is explained. You don't have to tell me, WHAT you can do. In a "switch from Finale to Dorico" video I want to know, HOW I do this stuff. If Dorico didn't have these features, MakeMusic would never have recommended it at all.
This comes across more like a "don't worry Finale users" advertisement than a tutorial. Nothing about pitch selection via keyboard, for instance. It is more showing off features than a step-by-step how-to.
We have step-by-step how to videos too e.g. ruclips.net/video/3DWbqXpHZkA/видео.html
Thanks for the great intro to the rhythmic grid and entering durations, etc. -- but the tutorial really needs to cover pitch input as well. What are the options? I can see mouse is an option, and I'm sure MIDI is likely an option, but what about keyboard options? It looks like holding down option-up and option-down is a way to move the pitch cursor, but then needing to release option before choosing a duration is very slow.
How is this supposed to help us transition from Finale? There is so little mention to the Finale workflow at all. Note input is not only consisted of quarters and eighths... there is no mention about more complex tuplets, nested tuplets of any kind or any practical comparison at all to note entry modes of Finale. This video made me more perplexed than I was before viewing it. I am sorry but it is very hard to convince power users / professionals that with Dorico note input is better than Finale. Even MuseScore is more logical on this aspect.
We've just started simple in the video, but all the power options are there too.
Dorico is not a bad software. Even more, it's probably the most powerfull music engraver just now. Even of that, it's not the kind of tool that Finale Users need.
We all know that finale has awful problems. But we choised it because you just can do exactly what you want. With a lot of work, but the result is exactly what you want to see.
Here we have a program that just everything correct. But sometimes, you need to make "incorrect" out of convention things to get an specific score.
With Dorico, this is a Nightmare.
You can make 'incorrect' choices or override Dorico's options, and set your own defaults too.
See, my issue with this is not how simple it is. It's how "basic" it is. Like take 5:00 for example. "If you enter a half note in a 12/8 bar, Dorico will automatically enter it as a dotted quarter tied to an eighth." OK, well, what if for some reason, I WANTED a half note there? Do I now have to go into all of these settings or tweak a bunch of things rather than Dorico just trusting the user to know what they want as they are entering notes?
Looks like I will literally just have to live with that "Clamp Icon" selected at all times.
You don't show where you got the accidental popup (popover?).
Accidentals are just on your keyboard to the right of 9. E.g. 0 - =
How do you activate the caret function? Apparently the author left this important point out so here it is. Activate the caret in any of the following ways:
Select an item and press Shift-N or Return.
Double-click the rhythmic position on the staff where you want to begin inputting notes.
this is the funiest dorioco tutorial ever
Ain't Nobody Got Time for That
Song by Sweet Brown
Hi. Why no “switching from Sibelius” series? Iv had Dorico for a few years now and still can’t cope with the differences between software that’s engrained in my finger memory. Could you do videos to help relearning this please?
Because Finale just got shut down 💀 and they recommended Dorico to those users affected
How do I choose the notes to enter? I don't use midi keyboard.
Can I suggest having a look through this playlist of videos that walk you through every aspect of note input in Dorico? ruclips.net/p/PLoyaeouPUsdtW_KEJjgEDTLhHnjYR3b6E&feature=shared
@@dorico Thank you.
The man doing the voiceover sounds a bit like the guy who did the voiceover in “The Clangers “.
Yeah, let's just say this is no Jason Loffredo. As others have mentioned, the "tutorial" is extremely superficial. The few keyboard commands that are mentioned are shown on screen only once and are gone before you can blink. When the author uses them later on, the commands he uses are not shown anymore. Not to mention the fact that the video does not even cover the (albeit extremely exotic and advanced) dotted note, let alone actual complex rhythms. @Dorico if you really want to convince die hard Finale users to make the switch through videos like this, put Mr. Loffredo on your payroll asap to get some proper tutorials going.
This is PAINFUL. I have used Finale decades.... this seems incredibly time consuming and not very efficient..... not a happy camper... I know it will take time and patience.. but I have charts to write now 🙄
FIRST what’s up dorico
Slow Down! This is silly; it goes so fast that I learned nothing...except that I'm going to miss Finale.
Can you just do a simple how to use Dorico!! Very frustrated!!
Try the 'First Steps' guide or video, or the Getting Started PDF from here: blog.dorico.com/resources/
What a horrible tutorial! I’m trying to follow your instructions for my score, but nothing works, like when I try to select bars or notes like you show at 2:03, I only get a hand icon that moves the entire page. The pace is too fast and it assumes too much prior knowledge from Finale users.
sorry, MuseScore ftw!!