Winamp Plans To "Open The Source Code"

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  • Winamp is a music player that I extensively used during my youth on Windows and it turns out that the project is going to "open the source code" whatever that is supposed to mean.
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  • @BrodieRobertson
    @BrodieRobertson  Месяц назад +110

    Between recording and uploading Winamp explicitly said in a tweet "Open source is not currently planned." x.com/winamp/status/1793615140241240395 so my theory was completely right. They decided to frame it this way for marketing clout instead of being honest about what they were doing

    • @thingsiplay
      @thingsiplay Месяц назад +6

      Man what a bamboozle. I had at least some hope. Well guess you was right then.
      My copium: They say its not currently planned, because its opening up later this year. As planned. Obviously this is just twisting on words and not what will happen. :D

    • @voidtransmits
      @voidtransmits Месяц назад +2

      Winamp is owned by Meta confirmed

    • @JesusBleach
      @JesusBleach Месяц назад

      I want puke on this corporación

    • @hummel6364
      @hummel6364 Месяц назад +3

      I'm guessing they are still thinking about what exact license to use, possibly writing their own. They might just go "source available", but they did mention the "official version", so I do think some sort of derivatives will be allowed. It also depends on what they understand under "open source". Do they mean the FSF version of open source? In that case I understand them not going "open source".
      If I wanna be generous I would say the license will be pretty open, but it will forbid commercial use, and it will protect their brand. Of course that's speculation.

    • @joshallen128
      @joshallen128 Месяц назад

      @@hummel6364 source available open core is a possibility in a way that users can use it and cant compete with winamp. personally winamp was useful before vlc came around

  • @EclipseMints08
    @EclipseMints08 Месяц назад +330

    In other words, they want to update their code and want people to update it for free instead of hiring people.

    • @edwinkm2016
      @edwinkm2016 Месяц назад +19

      Nobody would add commits. Probably more a marketing trick

    • @rizkyadiyanto7922
      @rizkyadiyanto7922 Месяц назад +3

      win-win for everyone?

    • @jwmcq
      @jwmcq Месяц назад +32

      Nah, mate, winamp was my boi for my entire teenage years. Nobody uses it now. That's fine, opening the source is not going to prompt a load of new development, it's not gonna change the world, it's just going to make sure that I'll probably be able to carefully and delicately explain to my future kids about whipping the llama's ass without booting up an XP VM.

    • @shallex5744
      @shallex5744 Месяц назад

      @@rizkyadiyanto7922 the win would be to move away from proprietary software entirely

    • @CptJistuce
      @CptJistuce Месяц назад

      Just like everyone elsed

  • @alcar32sharif
    @alcar32sharif Месяц назад +18

    Source Available != Open Source

  • @StrawberryKitten
    @StrawberryKitten Месяц назад +192

    Winamp... It really whips the Llama's ass.

    • @sirflimflam
      @sirflimflam Месяц назад +11

      I still remember the exact inflection of "*boom* Winamp--WINAMP! It really whips the llama's ass" burned into my memory, and I haven't used winamp in something like 15 years.

    • @thingsiplay
      @thingsiplay Месяц назад +3

      It really does.

    • @punkrockllama
      @punkrockllama Месяц назад +2

      It's okay. I liked it. ;)

    • @JayZero88
      @JayZero88 Месяц назад +1

      Llama tested... Mother approved!

    • @joshallen128
      @joshallen128 Месяц назад

      webamp

  • @guss77
    @guss77 Месяц назад +94

    The purchase history requires a graph to be understood, possibly a map with pins connected by red strings...

    • @spicydeath82
      @spicydeath82 Месяц назад +2

      que charlie from it's always sunny

  • @speedytruck
    @speedytruck Месяц назад +8

    Same situation as Meta's Llama LLM model (even the name is similar lol). They never explicitly say "open-source* because only OSI says what licenses are open source and their very restrictive license is clearly not. Yet that didn't stop people from calling it open-source.

  • @LordHonkInc
    @LordHonkInc Месяц назад +31

    So, worst case they're looking for free labor (oops, sorry, "collaborators") for a proprietary product. That'd suck, hope that's not really what's gonna happen and they'll clear things up before the end of September.
    And yeah, it sucks that linguistic drift (not without help from influential marketing teams) has dissolved the meaning of "open source" to the point that the majority of the population has become desensitized to it and just rolls with it, kinda like what has happened with cookie banners and EULA checkboxes.

    • @joshallen128
      @joshallen128 Месяц назад

      netscape did that at first with their web browser, released under the NPL it lacked the symmetry with contributors meaning you have to make your source available but netscape doesnt have to

    • @allwelikeworms
      @allwelikeworms Месяц назад +3

      One might argue that was the point of making the term (thanks Eric S Raymond), and much as Stallman can be a problem, he was right about "Free" software (as opposed to "Open Source").

    • @joshallen128
      @joshallen128 Месяц назад +1

      @@allwelikeworms not all free software is open source and not all open source is free software. Does that make sense.?
      Ex free but not open Netscape public license
      Ex open but not free
      Reciprocal public license

    • @allwelikeworms
      @allwelikeworms Месяц назад +2

      @@joshallen128 That's what my point is.
      I guess what I'm saying is I agree with you, apparently violently. I'm in a bit of an anti-corporate LLM bent today and its bleeding into other discussions so I apologize for my tone.
      There's a difference, you're right. My point is "open source" is just a sneaky way to let non-"free" (as in freedom/Gnu) language sneak in so corporations can "Free"wash their products (like in this case... sounding like it's open and free, but * fine print).
      Those who know and pay attention to this sort of thing already know this. But those who don't know much about it, and see "Open the Source Code" ... without looking at the details or understanding there's a difference may see it as a good thing.
      Another example of "Open" source... Red Hat's bullshit "Shared Source" licensing... they get to use glossy "Open Source" sounding words - but it has nothing to do with the end user or devs; only the orgs right to take contributed code and use it in their products, making money off the programmer's labor, while not giving the programmers or users any rights to use/modify it on their terms. It's 100% marketing bullshit, and it's a shame it's done, but that's what 'open source' as a term has done, and specifically why ESR coined it because "Free" was to scary to corps. This lets the corps off the hook and use nice sounding words to make it sound like they're doing something good.
      Either way I think we agree that this use of the word "open" - even if technically correct, does so in violation of the spirit many devs/users desire (free). At least that's what I think, though given the past few years, I don't think anyone cares about these concepts.
      The saddest part, ultimately, is that users just want convenience, they don't care how much code is "free" - and if devs wanna give money so a corporate entity can make more money while not paying them for their labor, I guess that's on them - hey it's "experience" they can put on their resumes, I guess.
      At least there's actual open-source/free software that does let users actually view and modify and fork the code.
      Til they make it illegal and encumbered wtih things like licenses to even contribute code to a project in the name of "safety and security and engineering principles" (Look at the EU for the way this is going). But that's a whole other topic!
      Peace and cheers!

    • @joshallen128
      @joshallen128 Месяц назад

      @@allwelikeworms yes nowadays you rtfm free software freedom libre reading headers in files for copyright information and license

  • @AeriaVelocity
    @AeriaVelocity Месяц назад +100

    That's it, I'm going to OPEN YOUR SOURCE CODE

  • @minigpracing3068
    @minigpracing3068 Месяц назад +5

    You left out all of the Shoutcast DNAS integration in Winamp, that really made a group of devote followers because they were DJs out on the web. The last DNAS posting was middle of 2023 and basically said, "so long, and thanks for all the fish". Bad news for me, going to need to push over to Icecast for work now, and it isn't exactly a lively project either.

  • @SrIgort
    @SrIgort Месяц назад +11

    This is the most shameless "work for me for free lol" I have ever seen.

  • @ayaya-ayaya
    @ayaya-ayaya Месяц назад +93

    It's unfortunate how "open source" is used as a marketing term with almost all of its meaning stripped. At least the winamp blog post authors didn't do that mistake, but the tech media on the other hand...

    • @arran4285
      @arran4285 Месяц назад +2

      The code leaked sometime ago

    • @lenni-builder
      @lenni-builder Месяц назад

      @@arran4285 Leaked code isn't open source. You're not even allowed to obtain or redistribute it.

    • @SKWDiesel1
      @SKWDiesel1 Месяц назад +18

      This is why R. Stallman is so specific about the language used to describe software and source/binary code.

    • @alex84632
      @alex84632 Месяц назад +6

      @@SKWDiesel1 Stallman is so strict about the language that it loses its meaning, though. For example, he (the head of the Free Software Foundation) doesn't think Linux is "Free Software".

    • @CptJistuce
      @CptJistuce Месяц назад +4

      ​@@SKWDiesel1Stallman wants to be the final arbiter of words and official king of english.

  • @mordiagcaedes8611
    @mordiagcaedes8611 Месяц назад +12

    That's why back in the day, there was the debate about the term "open source", and why it doesn't necessarily mean "free (as in freedom) software".
    Anyone remembering the controversy regarding Microsofts shared source initiative?

    • @speedytruck
      @speedytruck Месяц назад +3

      Open source is the term OSI uses certified licenses and free software is the one used by FSF. They can't use them in other ways unless they're intentionally being disingenuous.

  • @BrunodeSouzaLino
    @BrunodeSouzaLino Месяц назад +23

    Justin Frankel is also the guy behind REAPER.

    • @robnobert
      @robnobert Месяц назад +4

      Reaper is so awesome 👌

    • @NickyDekker89
      @NickyDekker89 Месяц назад +2

      Reaper gang unite.

    • @giddycadet
      @giddycadet Месяц назад +1

      and i hope he never sells it

    • @absalomdraconis
      @absalomdraconis 25 дней назад

      REAPER, is that the audio collab tool with _intentional_ latency to try to make it something you can react to?

    • @BrunodeSouzaLino
      @BrunodeSouzaLino 25 дней назад +1

      @@absalomdraconis No. That's NinJAM.

  • @EscurelEsquire
    @EscurelEsquire Месяц назад +9

    mpv --shuffle (or just pointing it at an .m3u playlist, with or without shuffle), because after I've made sure to make backups, I just throw all my music files into a single 1-level directory like an absolute madman. If I feel like I want more precise playlist navigation, Audacious.

  • @tettorotto
    @tettorotto Месяц назад +27

    The fact that Justin Frankel (the founder of Nullsoft) released Gnutella, while working for AOL, during a merger with Warner, is something that always puts a smile on my face :)

    • @Man-xk9rz
      @Man-xk9rz Месяц назад +6

      Oh, Didn't know the developer of Reaper also made Gnutella as well.

    • @joshallen128
      @joshallen128 Месяц назад

      @@Man-xk9rz technically they never could release the source code to gnutella, but the community managed to reverse engineer it. a forerunner to bittorrent. NSIS the package compilation tool stands for nullsoft something

    • @absalomdraconis
      @absalomdraconis 25 дней назад

      He also did an open installer tool at the same time. Quite a good set of tools.

  • @matthewlwood
    @matthewlwood Месяц назад +15

    I remember going to college back in 2003-04, I had a very, VERY, stripped down version of Winamp, with just a MIDI input plugin, and a bunch of MIDI files (music from Final Fantasy VII) all loaded onto a single 3.5" diskette, and going to the computer lab and doing my work (or surfing the web) while listening to music. Good times.

  • @itsasecrettoeverybody
    @itsasecrettoeverybody Месяц назад +14

    I'm more than happier with almost any open source player available right now.

  • @Aeroxima
    @Aeroxima Месяц назад +12

    I still use Winamp, I never stopped. It's still the best for what it is. Everything I find takes up more screen space than when you double click the titlebar and it's just one word tall, and with a playlist window under it, also collapsed to one word tall. It also has more features than I ever fully got into, but the library, jump to track, and hotkeys are still nice.
    Of course, the way to use it is to use an old version and not update. I didn't even know these NFT people got control of it. I'm on 5.666, released 2013.

  • @swagmuffin9000
    @swagmuffin9000 Месяц назад +6

    fully expecting a dev to take the source they make available and forking it into something else that looks like it, then making that foss

    • @RandomNonsense1985
      @RandomNonsense1985 27 дней назад +1

      There’s already something similar to that in beta called WACUP, written by a former Winamp dev.

  • @izaixspace
    @izaixspace Месяц назад +8

    Dang, didn't know winamp still existed.
    Anyways I use Quod Libet (came preinstalled with Debian Xfce), very simple music player program. Just scan the ~/Music folder and use the metadata to organize and list. Very nice for personal libraries of mp3s/oggs.

    • @cleokatra
      @cleokatra Месяц назад +1

      quod libet is goated

    • @pi_ist_toll
      @pi_ist_toll Месяц назад +1

      I use ffplay (from ffmpeg suite) with shell scripts :D

  • @thephoenix215-po2it
    @thephoenix215-po2it Месяц назад +19

    free llama? Sounds like maybe AI will be involved

  • @Bob-of-Zoid
    @Bob-of-Zoid Месяц назад +2

    Long ago in my Windows days I tried it, but liked VLC much better, and I still use it to this day, so for a few decades already!

  • @IdleCommentator
    @IdleCommentator Месяц назад +3

    I mean - Winamp 5.666 still works fine for local audio playback, so probably there is not much demand for resurrected zombie corpse of Winamp.

  • @Zer0sVoid
    @Zer0sVoid Месяц назад +2

    I searched around for an audio player for a while and I love Elisa.

    • @swagmuffin9000
      @swagmuffin9000 Месяц назад +1

      i really like the UI but renaming songs in bulk is easier in rhythmbox. rhythmbox is SO UGLY tho

    • @Zer0sVoid
      @Zer0sVoid Месяц назад

      @@swagmuffin9000 Good thing I don't use Elisa for bulk renaming hahaha.
      I'll note down rhythmbox for when I need to.

  • @kmp3e
    @kmp3e Месяц назад +6

    My fav audio player is one that some people in the jellyfin community develop. Finamp

    • @miasinterestinglife
      @miasinterestinglife Месяц назад

      Just downloaded it and that's so awesome to have!! Thank you for mentioning it :D

    • @CptJistuce
      @CptJistuce Месяц назад

      Finamp: it really whips the fish's ass.

  • @velho6298
    @velho6298 Месяц назад +5

    I don't think Brodie is pessimistic about this and I think also it's more for the marketing. Having this one component of the whole system to be available for which they can bring cheap labor into the main project

  • @ransan
    @ransan Месяц назад +39

    Audacious

    • @BetaMaster2
      @BetaMaster2 Месяц назад +9

      the *audacity!*

    • @Eliotime3000
      @Eliotime3000 Месяц назад

      Yes.

    • @uis246
      @uis246 Месяц назад +1

      Oh no!
      "I'm the t to the w, h, l, i, ,g, h, t, and ain't no other pony troll it down like me. I'm Twilightlicious".

    • @doctahjonez
      @doctahjonez Месяц назад +1

      This is what I came down here to say lol

    • @gnarlin4964
      @gnarlin4964 Месяц назад

      Are you using Audacious in Winamp mode while using Wayland by chance?

  • @untemi0
    @untemi0 Месяц назад +50

    Audacious, well enough for me.
    And it even supports classic Winamp skins

    • @gnarlin4964
      @gnarlin4964 Месяц назад +14

      The only problem with Audacious is that you can't move the application windows with a normal mouse click in Wayland because the Wayland designers have an obsessive and myopic religious belief in desktop security at the cost of simple and necessary functionality. You can drag the windows around by command-key+drag, which is simple enough but it's an annoyance and I blame the Wayland developers, not the Audacious devs.

    • @rgbmew
      @rgbmew Месяц назад +3

      based audacious enjoyer

    • @SussyBaka-nx4ge
      @SussyBaka-nx4ge Месяц назад

      ​@@gnarlin4964There shouldn't be anything stopping what Audacious is trying to do from being possible in Wayland. It's technically just client side decorations, which the Wayland folks don't have any ideological problem with - Audacious is probably just trying to do it in a weird way that doesn't work - my guess is they're trying to do absolute positioning instead of just sending drag events.

    • @aniksamiurrahman6365
      @aniksamiurrahman6365 Месяц назад

      Audacious, it whips the llama's ass.

    • @ssokolow
      @ssokolow Месяц назад

      @@gnarlin4964 "Add protocol for making windows magnetic to each other" got spun out "staging: Add ext-zones protocol for area-limited window positioning" five days ago so here's hoping it won't take too many decades to get accepted.

  • @JohnFistikis69
    @JohnFistikis69 Месяц назад +46

    Still using Winamp with the classic theme, since 1999. Not changing it with anything.

    • @thingsiplay
      @thingsiplay Месяц назад +11

      Winamp+Winrar was such a Win-Win combo.

    • @CptJistuce
      @CptJistuce Месяц назад

      ​@@thingsiplayWho even USED WinRar? I only knew WinZip.

    • @nohs8776
      @nohs8776 Месяц назад +2

      wacup?

    • @shallex5744
      @shallex5744 Месяц назад +7

      @@thingsiplay why would someone want to archive their data in some weird proprietary format like that?

    • @SussyBaka-nx4ge
      @SussyBaka-nx4ge Месяц назад

      ​@@shallex5744because Windows didn't yet have built in zip support, 7-zip didn't exist yet, and most archivers didn't have the endless free trial WinRAR is famous for.

  • @MonochromeWench
    @MonochromeWench Месяц назад +1

    At least when Microsoft Open sources things they do the announcement and drop the source at the same time (like the recent release of the source of Sudo for Windows) and Microsoft uses the MIT license for their open source releases.

  • @skelebro9999
    @skelebro9999 Месяц назад +3

    Winamp really went Loseamp with this one 😔

  • @MisakaMikotoDesu
    @MisakaMikotoDesu Месяц назад +11

    Honestly I'd love to have a modern version of Winamp. XMMS2 isn't really the same, it's a client/server model and it's kinda janky. I just want to play local audio files without having to use a bloated music library manager. Stuff like VLC and mpv aren't that great even though they work, and mpd is overkill when the majority of my music is streamed.

    • @LaPingvino
      @LaPingvino Месяц назад +1

      I used Clementine for a while, which was an Amarok fork, and now we have Strawberry as a fork of that. Give it a try. (That said, it's a bit of a library manager...)

    • @mk72v2oq
      @mk72v2oq Месяц назад +1

      There is a lot of music players. As for "players similar to Winamp" there are Audacious and Qmmp come in mind.
      Btw, Winamp itself is kinda bloated and does have a library manager.

    • @phoenixrising4995
      @phoenixrising4995 Месяц назад +4

      Lollipop is pretty nice on gtk desktops, Elisa is nice on qt desktops.

  • @rich1051414
    @rich1051414 Месяц назад +2

    Seems like they going to release partially open code which just interfaces with the black boxed proprietary code which users can improve by contributing code, which they will no longer own after contribution. It's like open source, except you own nothing and don't get paid.

  • @AndreDeLimburger
    @AndreDeLimburger Месяц назад +1

    Not mentioning Open Source, that is the first thing I noticed when I saw the announcement.
    And the freelama thing, well... sound like Chrome vs Chromium.

  • @ShadowManceri
    @ShadowManceri Месяц назад +3

    I kind of wonder how relevant Winamp even is. I feel like playing music is kind of solved issue and it's not super trendy to have massive collection of mp3's anymore.

    • @edwinkm2016
      @edwinkm2016 Месяц назад

      Most people using online streaming. People with own files use MPD, DLNA or LMS to cast the files to the targeted renderer.

    • @pi_ist_toll
      @pi_ist_toll Месяц назад +1

      Well, I don't have a massive collection of mp3's. I have a massive collection of flac's :D
      (and I am using sometimes ffplay from ffmpeg suite combined with a shell script, sometimes cmus)

  • @ssokolow
    @ssokolow Месяц назад +1

    Fingers crossed. Here's hoping this turns out to be a SimCity/Micropolis or Firefox/IceWeasel thing, where FreeLLama turns out to just be the "we haven't authorized your build to use our trademark" version. If we're being extra optimistic, we can even hope that their plans for preventing competition are something preservation-compatible like "AGPL with copyright assignment" instead of a mere source-available license.

  • @WHAT-GRINDS-MY-GEARS
    @WHAT-GRINDS-MY-GEARS Месяц назад +1

    My favorite video player is my favorite audio player. MPV, I just love that I can script with it so it can go seamless with my Hyprland setup.

  • @thingsiplay
    @thingsiplay Месяц назад +2

    The way I understand is there will be a community driven project with an Open Source license,
    and an official version with where the company decides what it will make use of the Free version.
    This way the company is in full control of "their" program, and uses the community to develop it faster and cheaper. Maybe even a dual license like Qt.

    • @BrodieRobertson
      @BrodieRobertson  Месяц назад +2

      They're being really vague about it but that seems possible
      Edit: I see they tweeted with even less context lol

    • @hbkirb
      @hbkirb Месяц назад

      I believe I saw a tweet from them confirming the code won’t be under an open source license at all. It’s purely a stunt, not sure for what exactly considering the project has been dead since 2013, aside from a “leaked” build that was compiled wrong. They don’t have the people who shaped the product into what it was any more, nor the market interest. The handful of owners it’s changed hands through really only wanted Shoutcast, the database of radio stations.

    • @CptJistuce
      @CptJistuce Месяц назад +3

      Ah, the old Netscape plan.

    • @villesyrjala3354
      @villesyrjala3354 Месяц назад +3

      Considering Winamp was originally just a closed source fork of AMP with a GUI slapped on top, taking other people's code and doing whatever they want with it seems to have always been the plan.

  • @cyangalaxy
    @cyangalaxy Месяц назад +7

    I never used Winamp, but I was a Windows Media Player boy. Really liked its goofy ahh visualisations. And the included music in XP/Vista/7

  • @blenderpanzi
    @blenderpanzi Месяц назад +1

    Yeah, I also am suspicious of that wording. Thank you for validating my reading, kinda felt gaslit by nobody noticing it.

  • @SamK4074
    @SamK4074 Месяц назад +1

    Still running Winamp 5.666 on all my machines. Even on my Linux systems via Wine. I will not let go of the past. It also supports a bunch of input plugins I like to use, so instead of having a bunch of different players for different weird formats (VGM, XA, PSF, SPC, MOD, Midi, etc), Winamp just does it all in one.
    Edit: I said I will not let go of the past, but I also fear what Llama Group will do to any future versions of Winamp they will release (advertising, tracking, breaking plugin support, etc), so I will likely stick with v5.666 for the long haul (even though that version is already over 10 years old).

  • @CRYPTiCEXiLE
    @CRYPTiCEXiLE Месяц назад +3

    WINAMP!! It really whips the llama's ass! I use Tauon Music Box with Catppuccin colour scheme.

  • @Sleeperspeepers
    @Sleeperspeepers Месяц назад +3

    This is really going to whip the llama’s ass!

  • @Nik.leonard
    @Nik.leonard Месяц назад +1

    Is very likely that Winamp has some libraries that can’t be open sourced or some contract with a third party developer that expires on September 24.

    • @darrenowen7483
      @darrenowen7483 Месяц назад

      Or that they don't have anyone to start with & are trying to find the people to then do it for them for free (llama group/audiovalley/radionomy/whatever name they're picking at the time have an awful record of not having enough available cash to pay people in a timely manner). There also shouldn't be any dependencies needing follow-up since their versions (5.8 beta / 5.9.x) were already stripped of such aspects when aol sold things to them & the deliverable package they were given had all of those aspects removed & what they then released moved to other open libraries &/or relying on OS functionality to decode some of the formats. Its only if they've added in things as part of their NFT/fanzone cruft (assuming access to that would even be part of things) where new aspects would've been added.

  • @theepicslayer7sss101
    @theepicslayer7sss101 Месяц назад

    still use Winamp for MIDI files since it can render the whole song in a WAV block in memory while playing and apply equalizer to it!

  • @Your_Degenerate
    @Your_Degenerate Месяц назад

    Other than the themeing aspect of Winamp I really enjoy the visualizer. I don't look into music player software often but I don't think I ever saw another one with this feature. The ability to change speed and or visual was enjoyable full screen.

  • @jorgealzate4124
    @jorgealzate4124 Месяц назад

    Winamp was fantastic for his time. It was lighter and faster than the alternatives (WMP and iTunes), had more features, more playable formats, better device integration, and better extensibility than its competitors.
    Nowadays that's not needed no more, even VLC is fantastic handlig media collections and handling modern devices like the Chromecast; perhaps if at the moment Time-Warner abandoned Nullsoft - Winamp, opensoursing back then could had keep Winamp relevant.
    I still have it installed on my work laptop just for nostalgia.

  • @I0NE007
    @I0NE007 Месяц назад +1

    From the idea of "opening up the code" is to have people look at the code, devise changes, and submit those changes to WinAmp for approval/merging, for free. Not the true spirit of FOSS, more like "unpaid internship" or "working for exposure" or "for the love of the program."

  • @lbiesek
    @lbiesek Месяц назад

    The beggining of Spotify's monopoly end :) I'm so happy now.

  • @RedPillRachel
    @RedPillRachel Месяц назад

    I love winamp, I've used it on EVERYTHING with my massive lossless library for decades. I have old copies saved, themes, plugins etc. going back to Win2k times and forward to Windows 10. You can take my .apl files from my cold, dead hands!
    One of the few things keeping me on Windows is the awful state of audio on Linux, from driver issues to noise, clicks and stuttering, XMMP just never, ever worked for me. But I can use headless computers and a huge playlist preloaded to search tracks, skip to certain times for the "drops", skip back, forward, pause, play and stop, all headless (why? broken laptop turned into portable p.a. on a budget decades ago-just 1 example from my very tangible history with my old friend, Winamp!)

  • @OldieBugger
    @OldieBugger Месяц назад +1

    I'm using Audacious with a WinAmp skin, similar to the WinAmp 3.xx default skin.

  • @TeleGeneral
    @TeleGeneral Месяц назад +1

    now this is gonna whip the llama's ass

  • @dungandonuts
    @dungandonuts Месяц назад

    Best case: the 4 month delay is due to some proprietary dependencies that need to be removed or other random blockers to it being open source but we end up getting a proper open-source retro WinAmp
    Worst case: some parts of the code are available under a proprietary license, similar to when Unity released the C# portions of their engine under a "reference only license"

  • @lorduggae
    @lorduggae Месяц назад

    I went from Winamp on Windows to Audacious on Linux. First I used my old Winamp skins but now just use the default Audacious look.

  • @RonLaws
    @RonLaws Месяц назад

    I can only hope that the delay and no mention of a license is because they are still trying to figure out the legal tape behind changing the license.
    As a side note, xmmp is EOL, qmmp is its current sucessor and is an almost 1:1 re-make of Winamp for Linux

  • @realname5630
    @realname5630 Месяц назад

    Good video, bro

  • @hardtakeoff
    @hardtakeoff Месяц назад

    Winamp definitely NOT long-long dead. Still going strong

  • @joe.nassimian
    @joe.nassimian Месяц назад

    Before I left the windows world for linux, I had switched from winamp to aimp player. I seem to remember they had an interface that was close to what I was used to. When I moved to linux, tried several players, and settled on audacious, and in the settings you have qt mode which reminds me of foobar2000's interface, and the winamp classic interface. Want an open source winamp? We a;ready have something better. Thanks but no thanks winamp! Whatever they are cooking, it'll be too little too late.

  • @MrGb666
    @MrGb666 Месяц назад +2

    Oh, nostalgia.. I ditch Winamp because I considered it bloatware way before even knowing the meaning of this word, and move to the minimalistic and portable 1by1 (

  • @arielalejandro6900
    @arielalejandro6900 Месяц назад

    Too little too late. I do share the same nostalgic feelings about winamp that probably most of you guys do, but let's face it, the announcement sounds very tricky, the way we listen to music now is not the same we used to do back in the late 90' among other things, if it happens, good, but it's not I've already overcome it. Thanks Brodie.

  • @CyberWolf755
    @CyberWolf755 Месяц назад +1

    Winamp! Winamp! Winamp!
    It really whips the llama's ass!!

  • @rogueyun9613
    @rogueyun9613 Месяц назад

    It kicks the llamas ...

  • @orangeavenger1597
    @orangeavenger1597 Месяц назад

    I bounce between winamp and vlc depending on my needs and annoyance with the playlist features

  • @BloodyMobile
    @BloodyMobile Месяц назад

    Winamp is besides a few games the one thing I really miss on Linux... That and Media Player Classic. That one is so much better than VLC -_-
    What I loved most about Winamp was that it was maintenance free. I installed it the last time new somewhere around 2010-2013, and since then all I did when I migrated drives or OS installs was copy it's folder over, associate files and done. I used it until end of 2023 which was the last time I used my Win 7 and Winamp STILL ran with that 10 year old installation WITHOUT bitching about needing updates or whatever.
    It was just the perfect software, it just ran and didn't bitch about needing to be updated every week to "function better" like shit does these days...
    Although the main reason that worked out was /because/ there wasn't anything that needed updates. No bugs or weird glitches that bother the hell out of you eventually.

  • @joshuaolsen2218
    @joshuaolsen2218 Месяц назад +8

    I think it will take the "open source" path Microsoft and Google did...
    CodeOSS (Open Source) >> Visual Studio Code (CodeOSS + Proprietary Code)
    Chromium (Open Source) >> Google Chrome (Chromium + Proprietary Code)
    FreeLLama (Open Source) >> WinAmp (FreeLLama + Proprietary Code)

    • @mega_gamer93
      @mega_gamer93 Месяц назад +4

      this development model has a name, it's called "open core"

    • @speedytruck
      @speedytruck Месяц назад

      They clarifed later that it won't be open source. So completely proprietary source available.

  • @electricdragon9366
    @electricdragon9366 Месяц назад

    That's a surprise that wasn't on my bingo card. as for favorite music player - it used to jetAudio for Windows, but that program isn't in development for several years now. currently, I'm subscribed to Deezer

  • @GYTCommnts
    @GYTCommnts Месяц назад

    I still use the classic version with some modern plugins to play OGG, FLAC and other stuff. AVS works perfectly, with a collection of presets, and have a few of my favourite skins. I didn't try it on Win10 or newer.

  • @bubbles581
    @bubbles581 Месяц назад

    The announcement made me first say "well about frigging time" then I said "wait...... something is fishy"

  • @infinitivez
    @infinitivez Месяц назад +1

    So what they really want, is to utilize the work of others to enrich their product, because they can't be bothered to pay people.
    I won't touch them. I remember what they did to winamp. I told them I would never forget or let anyone forget. Much like with napster, they can burn into ash of our fond memories, and forever stay there.

  • @markkeilys
    @markkeilys Месяц назад +1

    my favorite video player? mpv, music player? cmus... every now and then i play music streams through mpv too though...

    • @ForeverZer0
      @ForeverZer0 Месяц назад

      mpv is definitely the best choice for video, though I use mpd paired with ncmpcpp as a client for audio. It is another solid choice in the same spirit as cmus.

  • @paulstubbs7678
    @paulstubbs7678 24 дня назад

    Still a Winamp user, it just works. If I click on a music file it starts all but immediately, unlike many other players that load an absolute shit-load of junk (album art etc etc etc) then forget to actually play my file.

  • @argosfe7445
    @argosfe7445 29 дней назад

    What an Audacious move.

  • @chadmckean9026
    @chadmckean9026 Месяц назад

    back in the windows XP days i used ALSong, now days i use mpd, in the time between those i used rhythmbox and gmusicplayer

  • @chrisfromgreece
    @chrisfromgreece Месяц назад +1

    we have lollypop for gtk and strawberry for qt/kde

  • @pi_ist_toll
    @pi_ist_toll Месяц назад +1

    My favorite music player? ffplay (from ffmpeg suite) with a custom shell script 🙂
    But sometimes, I also use cmus

  • @JesusBleach
    @JesusBleach Месяц назад

    I use Xion on wine have sick skins and wide format support. Drag and drop. IS not open but IS free. Audacious IS very nice and IS native. On video i like haruna to scroll in a fólder list and vlc for wide format support 😅

  • @MrSnivvel
    @MrSnivvel Месяц назад +1

    VLC if I open a file in a GUI because I have it set as the default for all media file types, but mplayer and (now more often) mpv on the command line.

    • @pi_ist_toll
      @pi_ist_toll Месяц назад +1

      Oh, cool! I am using ffplay (from the ffmpeg suite) combined with a shell script…

  • @jedahn
    @jedahn Месяц назад

    I love winamp for nostalgia. I use a clone now, but wouldnt mind a linamp.

  • @kungfujesus06
    @kungfujesus06 Месяц назад

    Yeah I mean audacious feels pretty damn identical to me. Winamp kind of missed the boat for that.

  • @slimegirl9878
    @slimegirl9878 Месяц назад

    a long time ago, it was Amarok, but I think I'm mostly just use vlc

  • @wernerviehhauser94
    @wernerviehhauser94 Месяц назад

    Winamp.... Winamp.... oh, yeah, that audio player I never used :-)

  • @KajuTheRudeMonke
    @KajuTheRudeMonke Месяц назад

    Until then, I think I'll stick to the WACUP running throught bottles.

  • @mercuriete
    @mercuriete Месяц назад +1

    It would be nice to have a winamp frontend with ffmpeg backend.

    • @pi_ist_toll
      @pi_ist_toll Месяц назад +2

      You know there ffplay (from ffmpeg suite) combined with shell scripts? 🙂
      I know, it does not have that GUI, but… it comes directly from ffmpeg!

  • @trapspringer9891
    @trapspringer9891 29 дней назад

    When I started using Linux years ago I was using Guayadeque player. It totally rocked. But now I just use VLC

  • @gtdmg489
    @gtdmg489 Месяц назад

    Media is biting FSF Board one post at a time everytime "open source" mentioned.

  • @FagnerLuan
    @FagnerLuan Месяц назад

    VLC (the only that really runs everything without any issue) and Audacious (using GTK)

  • @genstian
    @genstian Месяц назад

    I remember I stopped using winamp (on either 98 or XP, not sure), because there already back then was better software, but most likely around the superior ogg format took over for mp3, shortly after I switched to Linux and used Amarok.

  • @raughboy188
    @raughboy188 Месяц назад

    If it becomes open source it opens possibility to bring it on linux which i would like to see because i used it as a kid too back when i used win98,xp and even win7, i also used it a bit on win10. Winamp will go open source but as frellamma and i bet it will be winamp 5.1, last version before winamp was forgotten. 5.1 is also avaliable as free download. They will very likely release it under MIT licence because they can take features developed by comunity modify it however they like and make it proprietary as part of winamp.

  • @ZerqTM
    @ZerqTM Месяц назад +1

    personally i like Audacious for a winamp clone... it plays all the rom ripped video game music formats i like which was what i used winamp for back in the day...
    I just wish there was a ubuntu touch version of it... i sort of got it running but its hacky as hell lol and i have to vnc into the phone to stand a chance of being able to load the playlist

  • @ajjr1228
    @ajjr1228 Месяц назад +4

    hello streamer

  • @RichardJActon
    @RichardJActon Месяц назад

    Disappointing that the tech media still rarely seems to understand open source licensing

  • @whtiequillBj
    @whtiequillBj Месяц назад

    favorite video player from the 90s. Real Media Player.

    • @CptJistuce
      @CptJistuce Месяц назад +1

      I'm so sorry for your suffering.

    • @RedPillRachel
      @RedPillRachel Месяц назад

      I remember RealPlayer being the only viable player on some devices, early Windows Mobile had it on devices like the HP Jornada and it worked better (30 fps vs. 1fps) than Winblows Media Player, even on local files, lol!

    • @katrinabryce
      @katrinabryce Месяц назад

      🤮 That was definitely my least favourite media player.

  • @AnthonyHarrisTechrat
    @AnthonyHarrisTechrat Месяц назад

    Anyone else just laser focused on the typo on that page?

  • @nobodyimportant7804
    @nobodyimportant7804 Месяц назад

    I used that decades ago, switched to amarok until it got destroyed with kde 4 and went with the amarok kde 3.5 fork clementine and have used nothing else since.

    • @theRizza791
      @theRizza791 Месяц назад +1

      strawberry music player ;) its a clementine fork, because clementine still does not play 24bit files (correctly).

    • @nobodyimportant7804
      @nobodyimportant7804 Месяц назад

      @@theRizza791 I haven't noticed any issues, but I will check it out, thanks
      Edit: pass, it is buggy. Right off the bat I get popups begging for money that lock it up and have to kill -9 it. Unusable

  • @moltony
    @moltony Месяц назад

    winamp pulling a vscode rn

  • @BrianMcKee
    @BrianMcKee Месяц назад

    I'm guessing it will be open source but the official release will still be curated by the company. I'm also guessing the time to release the source code is scrubbing out any proprietary code they don't own.

  • @programacionevolis3d681
    @programacionevolis3d681 Месяц назад

    I came for the meme and the nostalgia, then I read the news. Feels like anyother "coming soon" email I get every year from my past loved software. We just moved on, please stay dead...

  • @fnamelname9077
    @fnamelname9077 Месяц назад

    Why do I picture "opening the source code" as a scene from Indian Jones?
    (And The Source of Winamp????)

  • @speed488
    @speed488 21 день назад

    Back then, Winamp was "THE" MP3 player. Today, Winamp is just an asset owned by some suits that have probably no idea where this name comes from. Obviously, all they care is milking that cash cow (if it even is) dry. Winamp will remain a great memory for me, that's all there is left of it - it should die in peace or be fully opened sourced (like Doom / Wolfenstein). It also makes me reminisce of the nice Windows era before its shitification.
    As for what I use as a MP3 player nowadays? Strawberry (a fork of Clementine)

  • @Bunstonious
    @Bunstonious Месяц назад

    I'd love to see spotify integration into Winamp, or a port to Linux.