Take a look at the F-8E (fn) if you haven't done so already, it's 10.0 and is overlooked by probably more than 90% of players essentially because it's not a mirage. It also doesn't have flares, but these are for cowardly american F-8s anyway. PS - I'm mentioning this plane 'cuz it's in the same BR range as thr Super Étendard and both of those served in the navy at the same time.
I was just starting to reseach this vehicle to use this missiles as air to air, since I had used the kh25ml with the mig 27k and worked decently, so I imagined that in a lower br they would work better, banger video btw
Before the initial nerf to the agility of the AS30L, the Jaguar A was hilarious to use in Sim mode. Anyone who was remotely slow or up high coasting around was dead XD. Absolutely based man
@ yeah the other limitation now is the laser/launch window. Sometimes in sim u get a little disoriented and dont always fire right on the nose. But obviously with A10s and Su25s everywhere there really should be no issue. Im sure if the A10 does a spiral dive id probably be able to dodge it. By confusing that tracking algorithm you mentioned where it “dives down” onto the target. Obviously its meant to hit targets that may be obstructed by terrain so thats why that dive exists. Although one thing that may make it even easier is diving directly down on a target. A10s definitely wont see it coming and you get more surface area to land a hit. But any weapon that makes a plane like that more potent is a welcome one.
@@angrytexan8883Similar usage actually works IRL but Gaijin never implemented it, likely for balance reason. For example, LANTRN has a classified air to air mode that can guide Aim-120 with no radar warning at all. F-14's TCS system has similar capability for Aim-54. This allows super long range stealth attack, same reason why R-27ET is a still in service (50km+ lock range at high alt). This is also why IRL pilots never tries to notch or trust RWR too much except as last resort, since there are so many ways to launch an attack without signs, thus pilots always assume enemy had launched when in range and had defeated RWR/MAW.
Worth bearing in mind the pod gimbal is much further than that box on screen, that's just the missile's seeker cone so you can turn away or climb away from the target after firing. Given the AS-30Ls have IOG you can sometimes fire from outside the box and it will acquire the laser once it turns using the IOG, but I've only done that for ground targets not air targets and I suspect it wouldn't be a very reliable option but might help circumstantially. Likewise using the pod view could be beneficial to help lock onto targets at longer ranges or when the pod doesn't want to lock on in third person, can help setup shots but you lose all your SA so do it with care.
I need to try this in sim, killing all the F-111s and A-10Cs with MAW is going to be so much easier. I wonder if this would work with other laser guided missiles.
@@frulfluberg4005 They might but it would still work at close range where they don't have time to doge it since sneaking up on people is possible in sim.
@@W1ngW0ngyou might be best off firing them from further, the flares aren’t going to break the laser lock and they will probably only dodge once or maybe twice, then straighten out assuming it was a regular aa missile. I feel like if you shoot them at closer ranges and they dodge you might just miss
This video reminded me that you can use AGM-65 to shoot down planes with a no-warning fire-and-forget missile lol But like you said, not a lot of pull on them, just like the AS30s. (I use the F-4E for that, due to high speed and maneveur.)
I do the same but in reverse with the A-10 using the AGM65s, the difference is the mavericks burn out pretty quickly and just turn into a glider so you have to fire from within 3-4km away.
Late comment but the radar on this isn't entirely useless for A2A, you can lock planes with the ACM mode and slave your magics like that. It's a J-band radar so plenty of planes in this BR range won't detect it
@@זהסודי-ה7מ i tried to do it with kh 25l/kh29L and vikhrs and kh-29te, from what i can say those dont really work , may just been a skill issue idk (also i had a stroke typing this comment lol)
hahah nice video! I just wouldn't even think to try this out :) I grinded france to rank 7 without premium and plane and currently unlocking first mirage 2000.. imagine knowing this a little earlier.. looks really fun! Hope they wont patch it :D
I can promise you having played both that this thing would absolutely shred a Mirage 3 in a dogfight, hard as it may be to believe. I honestly may have undersold its flight performance a bit, at one point while getting footage I won a 1v1 against an F5E.
@angrytexan8883 the mirage 3 isn't really a dogfighter, it loses too much energy in turns to sustain them. It's more of a boom and zoomer with a high instantaneous turn rate, which is great for getting your guns on target. Might be personal preference, but I don't enjoy slow dogfighter at higher tiers, because you'll constantly end up in situations where you're trying to fight something that turns almost as well as you, end up losing all your energy only for 3 more enemies to show up and boom and zoom you and now you don't have the energy to counter that. Against enemies that don't know what they're doing of course you can always win, but if your opponents exploit your weaknesses you'll be in a lot of trouble, hence I prefer something more well rounded.
i use the SU39 in Ground RB and the amount of air to air kills i get with the KH25L is insane 90% of enemy air goes for a head on thinking ez target pre flair but AGM Goes BRRRRRRR XD
@@CaptainOfTheCrapShak sight stabilisation is what makes your sight lock onto a certain point, however, it should remain on by default, so if you activate target point, sight stabilization should automatically be activated also.
lol i killed an f5c using this strat, he dived down to the deck thinking i fired a radar missile but it backfired for him because the shrapnel from the missile hitting the ground killed him
fuck yeah, you just got a new subscriber cuz of dis! also your resignating tone of voice adds an extra flavour of indifference to the bullshitfiesta hahaah
Wait a minute. Shouldnt the alarm in the cockpit go off that warns about about laser targeting? (Like the distance laser targeting alarm you get from Ground to Air vehicles?) Or did Gaijin mess up and didnt implement this Air to Air with laser warning yet?
The problem being its platform the su25. But both the kh 38 mL and Mt have good kinetic performance. Mach 2+ and a decent overload. On the su25T the vikhirs work very well due to air burst.
did they buff it i have been doing this for a long time and have only been getting like 4 kills 3 on a10 and one somehow on a harrier. tried at all ranges and i know how to use missiles well and what situations. might try again since i haven't tried for a year
Idk, it seems to mostly only work against people who aren't paying attention, but I happened to run into a lot of such people while i was trying it out.
I have tried in in test flight with the su25 and it’s kh25ml but it won’t lock onto planes am I missing something? Does this only work because of the Special targeting pod or the IOG? I don’t have any French Jets so sadly I’m years away from the super etendant and can’t test it.
So I got the MBR-2-M-34 after watching your video and my gunners simply won't shoot enemy planes, despite being within the range based on the crew stats. They haven't fired once and I have to do complete manual control. What am I doing wrong?
AI gunners just don't work well in general, in fact I'm pretty sure crew skills don't actually affect their range at all, and they're locked to like 240ish meters max firing range. So just don't bother using them and aim manually instead.
@@MANNYzZ it's terrible unless you use the combat flaps. Tbh it took me a few dozen matches before i realized exactly how they worked on this thing, but it's extremely competitive once you get the hang of it.
@@angrytexan8883Just fyi, do not use combat flaps above 950kph, it makes the aircraft compress weirdly… The aircraft is amazing still, you can dogfight most aircraft if you know when to use your flaps since you have amazing energy retention. If you want to pull hard even at like 900kph go into Landing flaps, they take a while to deploy but deploy instantly your Leading edge Flaps, you can pull really hard and 1 circle lots of planes…
@@teivabaudoin2666 yeah that's what i meant about it flying wonky at high speed. I'm wondering if it's a bug since I can't really think why it would have that sort of effect realistically.
I think it's extremely overtiered if you compare it to the german hunter which has similar missiles, better guns and far better flight performance at fucking 9.7
Not at all. The super tard is faster, Magics are vastly better than 9gs, double the flares, nice targeting pod etc.. The hunter should probably move up to 10.0 but the Etendard is very competitive.
Apart from the fact that this is absolute nonsense, it's just brilliant. With such a missile, you can kill a bunch of stupid clowns who bought themselves a Mig-21 R13.
![IF I KILL YOU MY MISSILES GET BETTER (worst to best overload) [RADAR VERSION]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/FwFHfsdgXms/mqdefault.jpg)
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Take a look at the F-8E (fn) if you haven't done so already, it's 10.0 and is overlooked by probably more than 90% of players essentially because it's not a mirage. It also doesn't have flares, but these are for cowardly american F-8s anyway.
PS - I'm mentioning this plane 'cuz it's in the same BR range as thr Super Étendard and both of those served in the navy at the same time.
i love bullshit like this
so you also like the su25 kh38mt bullshit?
@@md93nen just watched a video on that and it looks lovely
I was just starting to reseach this vehicle to use this missiles as air to air, since I had used the kh25ml with the mig 27k and worked decently, so I imagined that in a lower br they would work better, banger video btw
@@BowlOfHoneyCereals thank you friend, happy hunting.
Su25
Damn it really works ok kh-25? I'll try now thx
Love your pic, Pearl Jam right ?
@@mathieub5823Yes, do the evolution, love to see someone recognized it
Before the initial nerf to the agility of the AS30L, the Jaguar A was hilarious to use in Sim mode. Anyone who was remotely slow or up high coasting around was dead XD.
Absolutely based man
@@SteelxWolf damn, I can't imagine what this thing could have done if this is how the nerfed version performs, lol.
@ yeah the other limitation now is the laser/launch window. Sometimes in sim u get a little disoriented and dont always fire right on the nose.
But obviously with A10s and Su25s everywhere there really should be no issue. Im sure if the A10 does a spiral dive id probably be able to dodge it. By confusing that tracking algorithm you mentioned where it “dives down” onto the target. Obviously its meant to hit targets that may be obstructed by terrain so thats why that dive exists.
Although one thing that may make it even easier is diving directly down on a target. A10s definitely wont see it coming and you get more surface area to land a hit.
But any weapon that makes a plane like that more potent is a welcome one.
@@angrytexan8883Similar usage actually works IRL but Gaijin never implemented it, likely for balance reason. For example, LANTRN has a classified air to air mode that can guide Aim-120 with no radar warning at all. F-14's TCS system has similar capability for Aim-54.
This allows super long range stealth attack, same reason why R-27ET is a still in service (50km+ lock range at high alt). This is also why IRL pilots never tries to notch or trust RWR too much except as last resort, since there are so many ways to launch an attack without signs, thus pilots always assume enemy had launched when in range and had defeated RWR/MAW.
@8749236 interesting, I was not aware.
Worth bearing in mind the pod gimbal is much further than that box on screen, that's just the missile's seeker cone so you can turn away or climb away from the target after firing. Given the AS-30Ls have IOG you can sometimes fire from outside the box and it will acquire the laser once it turns using the IOG, but I've only done that for ground targets not air targets and I suspect it wouldn't be a very reliable option but might help circumstantially. Likewise using the pod view could be beneficial to help lock onto targets at longer ranges or when the pod doesn't want to lock on in third person, can help setup shots but you lose all your SA so do it with care.
i had a weird feeling this could work but never really tried it, chapeau
I tried using it for that just last week, didn't realize I needed to carry the targeting pod for it to work, thanks for the video!
@@elmertrindade glad it helped 👍
I need to try this in sim, killing all the F-111s and A-10Cs with MAW is going to be so much easier. I wonder if this would work with other laser guided missiles.
@@W1ngW0ng i don't play sim, so I'd encourage you to make a vid about your findings.
MAW gets a lot crazier with flares and rockets to, so maybe wont work to well
Wouldn't it set off the MAW anyways because its still a missile, like Zunis and such or did they change that?
@@frulfluberg4005 They might but it would still work at close range where they don't have time to doge it since sneaking up on people is possible in sim.
@@W1ngW0ngyou might be best off firing them from further, the flares aren’t going to break the laser lock and they will probably only dodge once or maybe twice, then straighten out assuming it was a regular aa missile. I feel like if you shoot them at closer ranges and they dodge you might just miss
The algorithm did its magic, great vid, alternative playstyles are a nice way to mix up the usual grind
2:50 that's called lofting, and missiles like the Aim-120 do that to maximise their range
Great video, glad to know we have AIM-54s at 10.3 (pain). Gonna be interesting to see what you'll find in the future.
@@spocky7515 i've already found something game breaking buried in the changelog of the new update that I plan to abuse for content, lol.
@@angrytexan8883 Oh dear... also, if you ever need someone to abuse for the sake of recording videos, I dare volunteer.
@@angrytexan8883I can’t wait to hear about it!
How have i never found this channel this is peak
we need a comparison of all ir and tv guided missiles and see which one has the most success
This video reminded me that you can use AGM-65 to shoot down planes with a no-warning fire-and-forget missile lol
But like you said, not a lot of pull on them, just like the AS30s.
(I use the F-4E for that, due to high speed and maneveur.)
I do the same but in reverse with the A-10 using the AGM65s, the difference is the mavericks burn out pretty quickly and just turn into a glider so you have to fire from within 3-4km away.
Late comment but the radar on this isn't entirely useless for A2A, you can lock planes with the ACM mode and slave your magics like that. It's a J-band radar so plenty of planes in this BR range won't detect it
This can also be done with the su39 with their laser guided kh25L /kh29L AGMS
Aren't you better off using the Kh-29TE or the vikhrs?
No. Vikhrs are too unstable in flight and have the tendency to 'swing' around and drift when turning@@זהסודי-ה7מ
@@זהסודי-ה7מ i tried to do it with kh 25l/kh29L and vikhrs and kh-29te, from what i can say those dont really work , may just been a skill issue idk (also i had a stroke typing this comment lol)
Good explanation and demonstration of the AS-30L.
Bro I was one of your kills in the video at 2:58
@@thmpaxton1512 my condolences
SHUSH!!!! IVE BEEN DOING THIS WITH THE JAG FOR YEARS DONT GIVE UP THE SECRET!!!
@@rexanator100 sorry bro but it's time for me to cash in 😈
I already wanted the Super Étendard becuase i just thought it looked cool, but now i want it more.
Wow I'm about to try this
I love lobbing Agm65's at planes, and KH25's
This Is very much in the same spirit and I'm all for it
hahah nice video! I just wouldn't even think to try this out :) I grinded france to rank 7 without premium and plane and currently unlocking first mirage 2000.. imagine knowing this a little earlier.. looks really fun! Hope they wont patch it :D
2:47 the missile is "lofting" to increase it's maximum range and maintain speed in the long run
This is so cursed.
I love it.
lol i subscribed when he asked at the end
need more planes like this just fun.
You get a like men that was so cool
That's probably the goofiest shit I have seen this year, really cool idea. Also good video, keep up the great work!
AGM-65B, but even better
Dude your channel is underrated asf. You should have a fuckton more viewers
@@claux16gaming68 thank you friend. Well, the algorithm has been relatively generous recently so hopefully we'll get there 🤷🏼
I enjoyed doing this to A10 prems back then in my jaguar A
Ah yeees, that one plane - super enretard
subbed cuz funny good video
@@floatingamer thank you friend
Used this with the Jaguar works wonders
very cultured decal:))
This is actually very smart. Il try it with the mirage 4000 to see if i can get any air to air kills lol
@@Planeboi2alt if it works i give you dibs on the video idea, lol
A6 with the rocket bombs type energy
Nice video
@@DraconixDG thank you friend.
This thing got better RWR than some 11.3s
It's still a bit of a tough sell when you can use the mirage 3E at 10.7, especially if you end up bottom br...
I can promise you having played both that this thing would absolutely shred a Mirage 3 in a dogfight, hard as it may be to believe.
I honestly may have undersold its flight performance a bit, at one point while getting footage I won a 1v1 against an F5E.
@angrytexan8883 the mirage 3 isn't really a dogfighter, it loses too much energy in turns to sustain them. It's more of a boom and zoomer with a high instantaneous turn rate, which is great for getting your guns on target.
Might be personal preference, but I don't enjoy slow dogfighter at higher tiers, because you'll constantly end up in situations where you're trying to fight something that turns almost as well as you, end up losing all your energy only for 3 more enemies to show up and boom and zoom you and now you don't have the energy to counter that.
Against enemies that don't know what they're doing of course you can always win, but if your opponents exploit your weaknesses you'll be in a lot of trouble, hence I prefer something more well rounded.
Genius im gona do this xD
Is very good in Sim love it
nice video my friend
damn have to try that in sim XD
literally just dropped the SL for this thing a couple days ago and thought i made a bad move since firebirds is about to drop. not anymore!
Stealth fighters and strike eagles are cool and all, but beaming A-10s with these things will always be way more satisfying.
i use the SU39 in Ground RB and the amount of air to air kills i get with the KH25L is insane 90% of enemy air goes for a head on thinking ez target pre flair but AGM Goes BRRRRRRR XD
Wish they would implement the ground radar and the Exocet
Your awesome
I'd recommend trying the S25L on the su39 and su25T. The KH29/25s dont have the manoeuvring capability like the S25L does
@@killerofal719 interesting, I've never even touched than one before buy perhaps ill give it a try.
lol i love the shittering on war thunder that shit is as fun like bonk a chopper with a laser guide bomb xD
I used to do the same shit but on Jaguar E XD
Grinding France just to play this
I did this in customs but I never though it would really work in air rb.
Try using the kh-25 or Kh-29
They can be used the same way
@@Arsen-YT i'll put it in the queue 👍
So, one mistake, you can actually chaff laser guided missiles in game, it's kinda wonky but it does work.
@@user-Xx0xxxxx I believe you, but what on earth let someone to actually test this? Lol
Funny enough I already do this…
With the A-10
whats the difference between activate target point and sight stabilisation and why do you go for using activate target point?
@@CaptainOfTheCrapShak sight stabilisation is what makes your sight lock onto a certain point, however, it should remain on by default, so if you activate target point, sight stabilization should automatically be activated also.
W video
This also works with KH 25ML especially against A 10
Kh-38MTs are the top-tier variant of this lol.
been clapping some slow flying premium A10 and SU25 with AS30L. my first air-to-air kill with AS30L is a harrier LMAO.
lol i killed an f5c using this strat, he dived down to the deck thinking i fired a radar missile but it backfired for him because the shrapnel from the missile hitting the ground killed him
If only this thing got its pesa radar and stayed at this br...
Oh well I've hit A-10 with mavericks as well ^^
fuck yeah, you just got a new subscriber cuz of dis! also your resignating tone of voice adds an extra flavour of indifference to the bullshitfiesta hahaah
@@DoppelBro thank you lol
Wait a minute. Shouldnt the alarm in the cockpit go off that warns about about laser targeting? (Like the distance laser targeting alarm you get from Ground to Air vehicles?)
Or did Gaijin mess up and didnt implement this Air to Air with laser warning yet?
@@LongTimeAgoNL i don't think fixed wing aircraft have laser warning systems unless im mistaken.
Its so consistent as well lmao
The KH-38 MT does not see flares and will lock up planes rear aspect no problem :)
I was wondering how well it works in air to air
@@volkerball6110 I don't have it yet but i'd be interested to test it.
The problem being its platform the su25. But both the kh 38 mL and Mt have good kinetic performance. Mach 2+ and a decent overload. On the su25T the vikhirs work very well due to air burst.
can you do same video on mig-27k with kh-25ml? they are also capable of doing such stuff
I don't have it yet :(. Maybe i can request it once I get partnership.
Calling Hunter to try this xD
try testing maverick vs plane , i hear they were good
@@ryuk5482 I believe others have tried that, it should work similarly but it has about half the effect range of the AS.30
did they buff it i have been doing this for a long time and have only been getting like 4 kills 3 on a10 and one somehow on a harrier. tried at all ranges and i know how to use missiles well and what situations. might try again since i haven't tried for a year
Idk, it seems to mostly only work against people who aren't paying attention, but I happened to run into a lot of such people while i was trying it out.
but my nords never track even if target is flying perfectly straight
You must not have bribed the snail enough.
I have tried in in test flight with the su25 and it’s kh25ml but it won’t lock onto planes am I missing something?
Does this only work because of the Special targeting pod or the IOG?
I don’t have any French Jets so sadly I’m years away from the super etendant and can’t test it.
Needs the IOG/targeting pod
if this been shown in my reqs that mean its gonna be nerfed soon
@@Pacific359 it do be like that
So I got the MBR-2-M-34 after watching your video and my gunners simply won't shoot enemy planes, despite being within the range based on the crew stats. They haven't fired once and I have to do complete manual control. What am I doing wrong?
@@jetnavigator Is your crew aced? Otherwise i'm not really sure why they wouldn't be working.
AI gunners just don't work well in general, in fact I'm pretty sure crew skills don't actually affect their range at all, and they're locked to like 240ish meters max firing range.
So just don't bother using them and aim manually instead.
As if not A-10 is already a pain to play
@@yvtteka sorry buy I'll hold a grudge over what they did to me while I was stock grinding the A32 until the day I die.
@angrytexan8883 It feels like back in the day AIM9-L were better
@@yvttekaThe wallet warriors never stop complaining huh
@@HowIsAsh Bro just try to farm without premium account or premium vehicle for once
Upcoming nerf now
@@Crabonoe better have fun while it lasts then
Yep annoying
How well does this strat work with KH25ML KH29?
@@leonmoran9323 well, those lack the combined laser+iog guidance so im not sure if either would work quite as well
i woulkd try it but im scarad of the stock grind that it has,people say its the worst in the gamne
@@MANNYzZ it's terrible unless you use the combat flaps. Tbh it took me a few dozen matches before i realized exactly how they worked on this thing, but it's extremely competitive once you get the hang of it.
@@angrytexan8883Just fyi, do not use combat flaps above 950kph, it makes the aircraft compress weirdly…
The aircraft is amazing still, you can dogfight most aircraft if you know when to use your flaps since you have amazing energy retention.
If you want to pull hard even at like 900kph go into Landing flaps, they take a while to deploy but deploy instantly your Leading edge Flaps, you can pull really hard and 1 circle lots of planes…
@@teivabaudoin2666 yeah that's what i meant about it flying wonky at high speed. I'm wondering if it's a bug since I can't really think why it would have that sort of effect realistically.
@ it is a bug already reported
Honestly do you even need something against A10? It's such a sad plane
technoblade is speaking facts 🤯🤯🤯🤯
Thats both scary and absolute bullshit hilarious 😂
❤
MMO mouse gang rise up!
I think it's extremely overtiered if you compare it to the german hunter which has similar missiles, better guns and far better flight performance at fucking 9.7
Not at all. The super tard is faster, Magics are vastly better than 9gs, double the flares, nice targeting pod etc..
The hunter should probably move up to 10.0 but the Etendard is very competitive.
yak-38 :(
Were you born in 88?
@@sisu3872 perhaps 👀
@angrytexan8883 hmmm 🐕😮💨
@@angrytexan8883 i have a small feeling that 88 might be something else
@@joxering9528a certain artist from the country where the flak 88 originated from perhaps
@@ivan5595 or perhaps I'm just an anti tank gun enthusiast, lol
Apart from the fact that this is absolute nonsense, it's just brilliant. With such a missile, you can kill a bunch of stupid clowns who bought themselves a Mig-21 R13.