Technique is Overrated

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  • @hard2hurt
    @hard2hurt  10 месяцев назад +36

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    • @josesantos2084
      @josesantos2084 10 месяцев назад +1

      Hey Mike, I'm glad you touched this point of Strategy and Tactics being more important then Technique. So the question arrives: Were and how may I learn Strategy and Tactics of empty hand combat? I have the impression that Strategy and Tactics are (by a large margin) less talked about then Technique. How may I learn Strategy and Tactics on the internet?

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  • @nealyplumgamer2464
    @nealyplumgamer2464 10 месяцев назад +902

    I would argue that in many cases the instructors know it doesn't matter. But myself as a non-martial arts instructor, I teach people the 100% technique perfect way because I know they will take / develope shortcuts. I'd rather they learn a shortcut from a perfect technique than a shortcut from a shortcut. It establishes a level of quality that should meet needs after a shortcut is used.

    • @BarFlyChef
      @BarFlyChef 10 месяцев назад +150

      Learn it the right way, so you can make even the wrong way correct, if executed the right way.

    • @roelandblok860
      @roelandblok860 10 месяцев назад +27

      @@BarFlyChef I had to read you comment a couple of times, but it makes sense though.

    • @emZee1994
      @emZee1994 10 месяцев назад +60

      Completely agree. Learn the textbook form, and learn why it is textbook, so that one can intelligently break it

    • @raychildress4074
      @raychildress4074 10 месяцев назад +25

      There is a RUclips boxing coach I think Fran Sands is his name.
      He says learn the fundamentals and learn when to break them.

    • @ethandavis3053
      @ethandavis3053 10 месяцев назад +17

      Learn the rules before you decide when to break the rules.

  • @SgtDan
    @SgtDan 10 месяцев назад +306

    Fighting is like dancing. First you have to learn the technical skills. But once you know what you're doing, you can break the rules as long as it works for you.

    • @megamanx766
      @megamanx766 10 месяцев назад +8

      Yes, always felt the same way too. When you learn all the necessary technical skills, you incorporate the skills that work for your style and what you're most comfortable with.

    • @BoxerDriverWelderLover
      @BoxerDriverWelderLover 10 месяцев назад +1

      Exactly, so it does matter.

    • @hkunsam2410
      @hkunsam2410 10 месяцев назад

      That's why Kung Fu look like a dance

    • @rodtack8420
      @rodtack8420 10 месяцев назад

      Kung FU looks like a dance because Martial Arts were outlawed and they had to disguise their techniques and training in dance in order to fool the authorities @@hkunsam2410

    • @stillgotyourmom
      @stillgotyourmom 10 месяцев назад

      ​@@hkunsam2410You r quiet funny.

  • @efnick96
    @efnick96 10 месяцев назад +373

    You follow the rules, you break the rules, you make the rules.
    That's what my coach always said.
    First you focus on technical details that you can later tweak to your specifications. He always said that it is better to learn those moves "correctly" and then think about other things. Good points

    • @Kickboxingenthusiasts
      @Kickboxingenthusiasts 10 месяцев назад +12

      100 taught to me that you have to know the rules to break the rules. I always enjoyed that quote

    • @heikodatchi3715
      @heikodatchi3715 10 месяцев назад +6

      I agree.
      Learning technique first and then adapt. The technique will still be there but it will be adapted for your body, physical capabilities and have the "fat" trimmed

    • @BarFlyChef
      @BarFlyChef 10 месяцев назад +1

      Zing. Yep!

    • @wolfkingAD
      @wolfkingAD 10 месяцев назад +1

      Sounds a lot like Shu Ha Ri.

    • @stillgotyourmom
      @stillgotyourmom 10 месяцев назад

      No. There are technics for a good reason. People complain about fighters weaker than in the older days and today they wanna break more rules. Totally contradicting what they say haha

  • @Ninjacob00
    @Ninjacob00 10 месяцев назад +103

    At work we always say “Don’t let perfect get in the way of being good” and I love to see how it applies to almost every aspect of life

    • @Pbcvl
      @Pbcvl 9 месяцев назад +1

      that's a good one most of us think chasing perfection is the best we can do but it can be damaging because you might sacrifice other things to be perfect and you'll never really be perfect at something. Its not worth chasing it

    • @friendlyanomaly6109
      @friendlyanomaly6109 21 день назад

      "Don't let the great be the enemy of the good."

  • @RamseyDewey
    @RamseyDewey 10 месяцев назад +20

    Another way of saying: position first, then attack. Yep.

    • @HYPMAN100
      @HYPMAN100 10 месяцев назад

      Ramsey the legend!

  • @kreculjkreculj
    @kreculjkreculj 10 месяцев назад +83

    Few years of constantly watching pro boxing matches made me realize that fighters usually get ko-d or lose a fight exactly because of the bad parts in their techniques, whether it be keeping one arm lower when attacking, keeping guard lower, bad movement, being predictable etc.

    • @bleeem
      @bleeem 10 месяцев назад +16

      I think people think technique = form. When fighting as whole is a technique based thing, try fighting off balance againsta decent boxer and the first overhand is dropping you, and it doesnt even need to be the strongest, fastest and most technical overhand ever, but if you are already lacking anything becomes dangerous

    • @rexadebayo3380
      @rexadebayo3380 10 месяцев назад +10

      I recall the trouble Ali had with Norton and Frazier because of his bad jab technique.

    • @chickenbroski99
      @chickenbroski99 10 месяцев назад +6

      Is that bad technique or being predictable though? I mean if you have holes in your game you arent aware of thats gonna be a problem but having guard down unpredictably at times isnt

    • @kreculjkreculj
      @kreculjkreculj 10 месяцев назад +7

      @@chickenbroski99One thing is when you keep your guard low because you are setting up a trap, and another when your technique is bad. As i said, bad parts/spots in their technique. The reason why you twist your fist is 1. your shoulder goes up more and thus protects your head more 2. you have more range 3. you create more power since you are adding centrifugal force to the punch. but you won't be using that punch when in clinch. One thing is choosing punches, movement, position for strategical benefits and another is simply doing techniques wrong.

    • @chickenbroski99
      @chickenbroski99 10 месяцев назад +1

      @@kreculjkreculj yea i agree. i am learning russian boxing technique so that i can improve my energy efficiency. sometimes use of techniques ties into strategy.

  • @luzk1031
    @luzk1031 10 месяцев назад +317

    This video should go together with Armchair Violence's video on "striking basics don't matter" for people to understand how tactics and positioning are way more important than "perfect technique" in order to win fights. A technique doesn't need to be perfect, it just needs to work for your advantage.

    • @NaClSandwich
      @NaClSandwich 10 месяцев назад +9

      this 1000%

    • @ArmchairViolence
      @ArmchairViolence 10 месяцев назад +42

      I saw this video pop up and literally said out loud, "I already made this video." 😂

    • @luzk1031
      @luzk1031 10 месяцев назад +10

      @@ArmchairViolence OMG I can't believe you actually replied! Your videos rock man! Was also really stoked seeing you talk in the Ramsey Dewey Podcast! Keep up the good work dude! :)

    • @ArmchairViolence
      @ArmchairViolence 10 месяцев назад +17

      @@luzk1031 Thank you, my dude! I instinctively tried to heart your comment before realizing I wasn't on my own channel XD

    • @OliverOils
      @OliverOils 10 месяцев назад +4

      ​@@ArmchairViolenceIcy Mike even commented on that video himself 😂

  • @mikeholmes7184
    @mikeholmes7184 10 месяцев назад +50

    Need to call him out on this one. Technique comes to play when you're stressed and then all these other things open up. Watch a guy get knocked out or "3 pieced". First thing is their technique failed them. Start to get stressed and technique aka muscle memory comes into play. Now all the sudden you're out of trouble and play around. Watch any fighter out there. When they get in trouble and are stressed. Yup, back to a basic to get out of it. There's a reason to still practice technique.

    • @elementhokage
      @elementhokage 9 месяцев назад +1

      Well said!

    • @nba_fan7214
      @nba_fan7214 9 месяцев назад +8

      In a stressful situation, you're going to default to your level of training. If you train with poor technique then you're screwed. So yea I agree with you this is bad advice for a lot of people. If you've been fighting for a long time then sure it doesn't matter

    • @jeremypoche1625
      @jeremypoche1625 6 месяцев назад +7

      I'd respectfully disagree. He's not saying that you don't have to learn technique. Only that after you've learned technique, reps and tactics and strategy are more important than "perfect" technique. For example, as a Karateka, would I rather fight someone that has perfected his technique working on katas or someone that has perfected sparring by actually fighting rounds? My instructor always says when someone messes up on a kata or bunkai that the technique isn't wrong if it works! This is what Mike's saying. I don't think the guy that you punch with the wrong knuckles is going to care if your technique is perfect or not!

    • @ZeroBudgetGuide
      @ZeroBudgetGuide 3 месяца назад +2

      You didn’t cook shit. Your argument was awful. Technique doesn’t matter. Pro fighters prove it

    • @FalseProphetFallacy
      @FalseProphetFallacy 2 месяца назад

      @@ZeroBudgetGuideElaborate

  • @MyBodyIsReggie1
    @MyBodyIsReggie1 10 месяцев назад +37

    I think rather than moving away from the technique, you are simply learning to adapt it and transform it in a way it benefits from the situation.
    No boxer learns to fight like a pro while still relying on formless haymakers like an average street thug.

    • @kurylko8493
      @kurylko8493 10 месяцев назад +1

      You surę of that last line ? ;D

  • @PracticalTangSooDo
    @PracticalTangSooDo 10 месяцев назад +14

    Great video. People usually nitpick technical details when they don’t understand the strategy and tactics that actually make it work. Traditional martial arts are particularly bad for this. Entire training methodologies are just based on nitpicking technical details in a vacuum where nothing is ever really applied.

  • @ThePurussaurus
    @ThePurussaurus 10 месяцев назад +46

    Yes, a lot of times a move done the "wrong" way is really just done in a different way. With it's ups and downs for different contexts but still a separate option that may be utilized when it best fits.
    However, one should not forget that the technique of a move is to maximize leverage and by that the power and efficiency of that said move. For example there is a vast difference in the power of a punch thrown by a person who knows how to do that properly compared to one that does not.

  • @ZigzagEnd
    @ZigzagEnd 10 месяцев назад +14

    kicking with the toes can work better in shoes on da street

    • @biohazard724
      @biohazard724 10 месяцев назад +2

      It works for savate

  • @MJRLHobbyStuff
    @MJRLHobbyStuff 10 месяцев назад +10

    Proper form in technique is like learning good penmanship in school. It’s super important for the first 2ish years, then teachers show you cursive, then you can pick and choose how you write. Same goes for MA techniques.

    • @ceckolalovia
      @ceckolalovia 10 месяцев назад +1

      People are not focusing enough on proper technique fella. If you get your hands always down you will understand that the hard way. until youre ''perfect'' to do it without thinkking the other things like strategy and situational awareness are useless.

  • @bazookaschoolboy
    @bazookaschoolboy 10 месяцев назад +8

    Learned this stuff in my amateur boxing bouts. Technique barely matters, tactics and strategy is where it's at.

  • @dirtpoorchris
    @dirtpoorchris 10 месяцев назад +25

    People say dont sling your shoulders and keep your elbows near your armpit level... But if you ever threw 10,000 punches in 1 night on a bag (perhaps maybe drunk) halfway through it you will realize you need to sling a bit just to get the momentum going and use that elbow extension just to keep punching without ripping your own arm off. And strangely start using those karate hip twists just to eek a bit more momentum out cuz you can barely lift your arms up.

    • @TheSonnyGo
      @TheSonnyGo 10 месяцев назад +12

      I remember slowing down a Thomas Hearns fight to see how he threw his punches during exchanges. He flared his elbows out.
      So did Roger Mayweather and his nephew Floyd. Pros do it all the time.
      You work on the form until you don't need the form anymore.

    • @lucian5389
      @lucian5389 10 месяцев назад +3

      My coach actually tought me specifically to flair my elbows a bit and not hold them right like in boxing in order to block high kicks with your forearm and discourage mid kicks because the foot often hits the elbow where as if your elbows are tucked like Mike Tyson I can just hammer you with body and head kicks for days

  • @penttikoivuniemi2146
    @penttikoivuniemi2146 10 месяцев назад +9

    I always try to teach the "correct" way of doing a technique, but I always also say fighting is jazz; as long as you consciously mean to do it, anything is correct.

  • @johnnapoletano
    @johnnapoletano 10 месяцев назад +8

    Great to hear it, needed to be said. Biggest problem I've seen is a 'fitness' focus sometimes certified instructors forcing over corrections instead of spotting natural talent. That extra 10% power is useless if it can't be delivered naturally. Everyone's body is different. Even more interesting is the idea that if everyone fights the same...well you know what's coming at you right.

  • @PR3TTYH8MACHINE
    @PR3TTYH8MACHINE 10 месяцев назад +47

    This was my experience dealing with street fighters, bad technique but good timing and stratagies

    • @shanebodnar9861
      @shanebodnar9861 10 месяцев назад +10

      That’s still bad overall bc you need technique before you anything else, he basically said in this video that technique being overrated applies to advanced and experienced fighters. For example, a lot of street fighters try to pull back as a form of head movement which is smart because evading is safer than blocking. However they have terrible technique for the pull back compared to a trained striker, so instead it looks like they are trying to do the limbo which is a terrible place to be in for both balance and throwing punches with power. Speaking of power, because street fighters never learned proper punch mechanics and form, their punches are gonna hurt less than a teenager in youth classes who’s only been training for a month. Good luck knocking out anyone who’s chin is made out of bone and not glass 😂

    • @meicc398
      @meicc398 10 месяцев назад

      ​@@shanebodnar9861agreed

    • @Figgy636
      @Figgy636 10 месяцев назад

      @@shanebodnar9861Also the amount of times I’ve seen a guy swing and fall over cos he’s so off balance. Few months of boxing would fix that completely

    • @argoshikan
      @argoshikan 10 месяцев назад

      Ryu is tough. And that Vega is a cheating b*tch.

    • @PR3TTYH8MACHINE
      @PR3TTYH8MACHINE 10 месяцев назад

      they weren't "good" fighters, they were just better than people who literally never fought before but had technique training, the ability to control distance and timing basically only develops properly from sparring and fighting, no sparring or fighting, no distance control @@shanebodnar9861

  • @GermanyJerseyShore
    @GermanyJerseyShore 10 месяцев назад +9

    appreciate this video i get paralysis by analysis sometimes cause i want all my aspects of mma, as well as my other workouts to be as good as possible and most videos tend to focus on that for some reason

  • @chrishansen9379
    @chrishansen9379 10 месяцев назад +4

    I wish I understood this better back when I was practicing martial arts. I can understand why a coach would be detail oriented at first and the student would personalize it over time. They say that before you think outside the box you have to know what's in the box.

  • @acediadekay3793
    @acediadekay3793 10 месяцев назад +29

    “Learn the rules like a pro, so you can break them like an artist” - Pablo Picasso
    Alternatively:
    “Know the rules well, so you can break them effectively.” - Dalai Lama

  • @obiwanquixote8423
    @obiwanquixote8423 10 месяцев назад +4

    Technique is just the best or most efficient way to do something. But as the saying goes, the punch that lands is always better than the perfect punch that doesn't. On the other hand, part of good technique is also to keep you out of trouble and minimize your vulnerabilities and keep the other guy's window of opportunity small.

  • @Sully365
    @Sully365 10 месяцев назад +5

    that's the most real intro i've ever heard in a real situation.

  • @husasizzle
    @husasizzle 9 месяцев назад +2

    One of the ways I teach the hook punch is via the slap. Even from a technical standpoint, they're essentially the same strike. The only difference between the two is one strike is with the palm while the other is with the knuckles. Also, when I teach the hook punch, I mention how the position of the fist changes the shape of the opponent's face upon contact based on the targeted area (mainly the chin).

  • @theboynurse
    @theboynurse 10 месяцев назад +2

    Chesterton's fence applies here. When you know why a rule exists you can become comfortable removing it if you deem necessary.

  • @cubandarknez
    @cubandarknez 10 месяцев назад +5

    technique matters for practicing. If you are in the fight, what 'feels good/right' to your current body in the moment (in combination with the mentioned strategy, tactics) trumps technique details. EDIT: also much more important for beginners to build a decent foundation, especially if they don't have muscle-memory/balance/mind-muscle connection from another hobby.

  • @RettyMako
    @RettyMako 10 месяцев назад +3

    This video kinda proves my theory about fighting. Technique is important to make sure you dont hurt yourself but the intention of the strike changes the strike. If i intend to land a cross, i can throw it trad or celtic or looping or whatever tiny difference will do what i want. You explain it better though, and cool to see im not the only one who thinks this lol

  • @vladydaddy9116
    @vladydaddy9116 9 месяцев назад +1

    The best part about using your techniques as long as you understand the situation that calls for them, they will say you are so bad that they lost. My response " better lucky than good." Some of my favorite conversations with instructors were on expanded variations and when and where it is more or less viable. Thanks for the video but there are going to be a lot of people who need the proper training and can't join a discussion like this until they can handle themselves. One strange thing I do is change from high guard to the shoulder roll stance with rear arm guarding my body. Like an opposite shoulder roll

  • @bunnyofdoom4501
    @bunnyofdoom4501 10 месяцев назад +13

    Agree with many of your points. But bad technique can get u injured. Don't know how u tore your bicep, but I tore mine with a wide hook, straight arm and palm impacting my opponents head. Imo,"good" punching technique allows for maximum power generation, maximum energy efficiency, and maximum protection while attacking.

  • @mellonhead9568
    @mellonhead9568 10 месяцев назад +5

    philosophy martial artist -"the right technique is no technique"

    • @meicc398
      @meicc398 10 месяцев назад +2

      Who said that shit?🤣I don't know if you watched the video he did said that technique was important just not as important as tactic

  • @emZee1994
    @emZee1994 10 месяцев назад +2

    What you're describing is known in philosophy as *Wittgenstein's Ladder*
    The lower rungs of the ladder are concepts which are technically wrong or incomplete, but beginners should learn them as if they were absolute truths because they give them capabilities to climb the ladders and get to the top where the actual truths are different to the ones they learnt in the beginning, sometimes completely opposite
    In fighting, just like anything in life, if it works for you then it's correct. The textbook technique, or the path most travelled, is just considered the best place to begin because it has a history of working well for many people before you

  • @billyettouati1124
    @billyettouati1124 9 месяцев назад +1

    It’s crazy as I learned more about boxing how much the rules get broken. It’s starts super ridged then becomes about flow and situations. Nothing works all the time you have to constantly adapt that’s what makes it so fun.

  • @blockmasterscott
    @blockmasterscott 10 месяцев назад +3

    I always teach technique as a foundation, not a way.
    For example, proper technique for driving is 10 and 2 o’clock on holding the steering wheel, which is a good solid foundation.
    But as you drive more, you develop your own style of holding the wheel based on basic technique.
    And you change how you hold the wheel as the years go by too.
    Same with technique in fighting.

    • @Domnuberuno
      @Domnuberuno 10 месяцев назад +1

      I couldn't agree more

    • @notisac3149
      @notisac3149 10 месяцев назад

      Fair enough, I prefer 9 and 3 on a steering wheel, then just adjust if I have to turn further. But even then, knowing the boundaries of your car and the rules of the road is wayyy more important lol

    • @blockmasterscott
      @blockmasterscott 10 месяцев назад +1

      @@notisac3149 That's my point though, you are making an adjustment on proper technique to fit your style.
      I'm just trying to say that technique is important so you have a firm foundation to branch out and adjust.

  • @BWater-yq3jx
    @BWater-yq3jx 9 месяцев назад +2

    Yes, it is the mark of a novice that they obsess over (and critique)
    one aspect, of one technique, that they've only learnt recently, and haven't actually employed with any success.
    This applies to LOTS of situations, not just martial arts, or even physical skills.
    A variation on Dunning-Kruger, really.
    All that being said, I do like analysing and honing my own technique.

    • @BWater-yq3jx
      @BWater-yq3jx 9 месяцев назад +1

      Must add though...
      Under pressure, such as in a fight, crappy technique is likely to get even crappier,
      to the point where it's too large a deviation from efficient form to be helpful.
      Also why it's good to emphasise full extension on punches on kicks, because in a fight people tend to contract and reduce their movement range, out of fear.
      So if you're used to full range movements, your contracted version might still be ok.
      But if you train that short, you probably won't be able to land anything in a fight until you're so close it's about to become grappling.

  • @g8trg8tr30
    @g8trg8tr30 10 месяцев назад +2

    Cool. I agree. Let me pose the question I had at the end of the video. How do I take control over my own training? What does that mean and how do I make it happen?

  • @burt2800
    @burt2800 10 месяцев назад +2

    I think learning techniques the correct way first is important for beginners to improve their body awareness. I agree that the right way can be many different things IF you do it consciously. And it's hard to develop that kind of consciousness without being constrained to "the right technique" first. Also, as a counter to the "even pros do it wrong" argument , I'd say there are many pros who have stellar technique. Thinking of Thai boxers who's every kick looks like art. And Gabriel Varga.

  • @theBartasTLP
    @theBartasTLP 9 месяцев назад +1

    I love this video.
    I used to train kick boxing and was pretty decent at it BUT striking coaches would always kill my creativity.
    Moved to bjj where you basically can do whatever you want as long as it works and you have counters to your counters.

  • @chrisarstad2968
    @chrisarstad2968 10 месяцев назад +1

    This is a wonderful thought experiment. It put me in mind of my dad, a natural left hander being forced to learn to write with his right(ball point pens aren't that old). That technique I didn't have to waste time on and just got down to learning at school.

    • @Handles_arent_a_needed_feature
      @Handles_arent_a_needed_feature 10 месяцев назад

      You can write left handed with a fountain pen?

    • @chrisarstad2968
      @chrisarstad2968 10 месяцев назад

      @@Handles_arent_a_needed_feature can, sure but depending on the style it is worse smudging.

  • @poeticsounds
    @poeticsounds 9 месяцев назад

    What’s important is he said if you’re just learning n fresh technique is important. But if you already have a foundation of the technicals . Your tactics n strategies will come more into play vs always doing the right technique. It’s all about adapting to what you already know even if it’s bad technique if it get the job done at the time .

  • @RexWu
    @RexWu 10 месяцев назад +1

    the purpose of learning technique is learning the proper way to move to someone completely brand new. they're not going to nail it every single time. but as long as they're moving within the principals of how they're supposed to be moving, they'll be fine. but that's taken care of, they can move onto positioning.

  • @birage9885
    @birage9885 7 месяцев назад

    When I look at martial arts like Bagua, their thing is to adjust to where they are at and be evasive and tactical. Some of it looks 'wrong'', but they don't stay there, they are constantly moving. I think rooting is the most important, regardless of technique. some techniques though seem to work better than others.

  • @pain27k
    @pain27k 9 месяцев назад

    damn, haven’t tuned into a h2h video in a loooooong time. i stopped training a while ago and all the youtube content i watched that was related to fighting all got filtered out. went back to my old Muay Thai gym yesterday after like a year and a half and this popped up on my recommended. kinda fishy lol, regardless, I’m being reminded as the video goes on why i loved this channel and its content! great video man.

  • @bbqtool
    @bbqtool 7 месяцев назад

    In a fight, yes. It doesn't matter so much. When you're training and you want to prevent injuries or do it efficiently is when it matters I think. When technique is in your body, you don't need to overthink it and you get benefits from that.

  • @AdamT-88
    @AdamT-88 Месяц назад

    100% agree. You watch most professional fights there very messy. Also, the number of times I pull off a throw in Judo and my coach says that wasn't the proper way to do that. It worked, didn't it.

  • @peacue7431
    @peacue7431 5 месяцев назад

    I really dig your vids. The realistic points you push are right on. Honesty, practical, real world knowledge you point out are cool. 👍

  • @eliw6607
    @eliw6607 9 месяцев назад

    Concepts/ Principal's matter more than technique especially in self defense street applications.

  • @Thomastank2023
    @Thomastank2023 10 месяцев назад +4

    Those might be the coolest gloves ever.

  • @yakovdavidovich7943
    @yakovdavidovich7943 6 месяцев назад

    This must be a striking thing.... the last half of my purple belt and now first focus at brown belt has been dialing in all the little technical details, otherwise I don't get submissions. In the submission game, the little gaps are exactly what a talented opponent uses to defend, and there is no way to get the sub relying on tactics and strategy.

  • @LlopmondDunderbridge-nn2xt
    @LlopmondDunderbridge-nn2xt 8 месяцев назад

    I once heard an old, tough dude I know who trains say something along the lines of "most martial arts are too technique based; if you want to win/defend yourself effectively, you need to be results/objective based". I think this is what he was talking about.

  • @rootsandtropes264
    @rootsandtropes264 10 месяцев назад +1

    The slap hook hurts the opponent, but could potentially tear your bicep and/or supinator if done too much and too often (I’ve done it)

  • @TheStrongVirus
    @TheStrongVirus 10 месяцев назад

    That’s why it’s about understanding the basics, in some cases, the fundamentals of the technique. Then just take it from there, do your own thing.
    I’d say, striking is quite a simple one, hitting something IS hitting something. You could say that jabbing someone with all your fingers pointed will break your fingers, but you punch hard with your fist you break your fist. You can train and experiment with it though, you wanna jab someone with your fingers, you know it hurts, you’ll figure out it really works well on soft parts of the body and you’ll adapt to not trying to shove your fingers through someone because it’ll probably break them.
    Even if you come away thinking, “Jabbing people with my fingers doesn’t work so well.” You might have learned that you shouldn’t throw constant full power punches and make yourself tired all the time… another basic skill.
    It’s pretty good to hear someone have a similar conclusion I came to when I was getting so sick of coaches telling me I was punching wrong for silly reasons.

  • @biohazard724
    @biohazard724 10 месяцев назад +2

    Half expected you to throw a shoryuken for the last uppercut

  • @Jonobos
    @Jonobos 10 месяцев назад +1

    Man i am so tired of hearing about technique. Perfecting all the details is a project for advanced people. It is a waste of time for new people who can barely move without falling over.

  • @niscent_
    @niscent_ 10 месяцев назад +1

    my first martial art was taekwondo. that shit gives you some great control of your kicking distance. and i did harass the shit out of some sparring partners by sneaking a toe through their guard and into the meat of the torso.

  • @sangvi2849
    @sangvi2849 10 месяцев назад +2

    How about telegraphing all your punch, remove body rotation in all your punch... let see what kind of strategy you can build.

  • @chaslewis3334
    @chaslewis3334 9 месяцев назад

    I've been approached many times by my coaches. I do weird techniques that tend to work because of my unique body proportions, so they just alert me to what I'm doing and just generally inform me to continue doing it but just be aware.

  • @smartwater598
    @smartwater598 10 месяцев назад +2

    Nah closer to perfect technique it’s better

  • @wickedg
    @wickedg 10 месяцев назад +1

    I think this idea is so important and I’m actually about to show this video in my karate class. I’m also going to use the term “fistual orientation” because that’s amazing. 😂

  • @shrooman777
    @shrooman777 9 месяцев назад

    This is a really good lesson that probably crosses many disciplines, learn good technique but don’t let technique confine you.

  • @thetalantonx
    @thetalantonx 10 месяцев назад +1

    Major, major props for leaving the ending in. You are a character, and HAVE character.

  • @bladeofgrass96
    @bladeofgrass96 10 месяцев назад +3

    Izzy has better technical skills than Sean Strickland
    Sean won with tactics and pressure so ... There's that

    • @meicc398
      @meicc398 10 месяцев назад +3

      Tf you mean? Sean has beautiful boxing and defense,while Adesanya has a more varied technique, I don't know if saying that he has better technique it's correct

    • @bladeofgrass96
      @bladeofgrass96 10 месяцев назад +4

      @@meicc398 I meant in the context of everybody who watches MMA would generally say that is he has crisper striking than Sean does
      I agree with you ,and think Sean's striking is much cleaner than all these MMA "experts" give him credit for
      My point is most that people thought Izzy was just going to pick him apart

  • @PWCTran
    @PWCTran 10 месяцев назад

    When i was coaching, we had a saying, get whatever you can get

  • @Vejita12
    @Vejita12 10 месяцев назад

    "When I didn't know the art a kick was just a kick.
    When I learned the art a kick was not just a kick.
    When I understood the art a kick went back to being just a kick."

  • @TacoDehWinner
    @TacoDehWinner 9 месяцев назад

    lol teaches mind blowing fighting tip
    the end ... "im not suppose to be here"...
    gold

  • @D4RK_54M
    @D4RK_54M 7 месяцев назад

    Speaking of punching, what do you think about sap gloves / weighted gloves as a self defence implement?

  • @JF_Education
    @JF_Education 9 месяцев назад +3

    Thanks for your video, I have the opposite stance based on every fight and play fight I have been into. This is because you normally doesn't want to fight if you are a kind guy, so you will end up fighting people that is bigger, faster, stronger and tougher then you. In reality the bigger guy would rather pick on a smaller guy and not the other way around. The single most important advantage the smaller and weaker and softer guy can have is a flawless and superior technique, being able to shot more accurately, strike more accuratly and do grappling technique more accuratly. This way I have stod my ground and dominated much larger, stronger, faster opponents.

  • @coach-piotr
    @coach-piotr 9 месяцев назад

    I just found your channel and as much as I like watching your videos - there are some things I disagree.
    Example: you're pointing out that it should not matter to teach to hold right hand high and while throwing left jab. And you showed that instead this hand could fly around.
    Not only it builds awful habbits or dropping hands non-stop (which may lead to awful consequences during sparring). But also throwing jab this way allows your opponent to realize when you will follow up with right straight and when you will simply will not do that.
    I keep repeating to my students to keep that right up and have it ready for right cross. So even if we will only throw jab alone then our opponents cannot read us so easily. If we end up keeping hands up while doing jab+cross and dropping it while doing simple jab - then our body is telegraphing so much.
    Another thing is that if our opponent will slip the jab (to the inside) and follow with leading hook - then this hand flying around (instead of protecting jaw) will be useless. And we will end up eating that hook right on our chin. Lights out.
    Again: I enjoy your content, however those are my few points and opinion I like to share.

  • @Rlstine-z4x
    @Rlstine-z4x 7 месяцев назад +1

    I think the real title of the video should be "Correct Form Is Overrated"

    • @hard2hurt
      @hard2hurt  7 месяцев назад +1

      You must be new to RUclips lol

  • @ctestare2625
    @ctestare2625 9 месяцев назад

    Absolutely agree with this. Another thing to mention is that throwing everything with perfect technique 100% of the time is highly predictable in a fight (since all strikes come from the same angle and range) which is something you don’t want. Technique practice is good when the shot is setup for a knockout and the position is there but I would prioritize strategy and tactics over mechanics 10/10 times

  • @haydenford3794
    @haydenford3794 10 месяцев назад +1

    can you do a video on the strategies and tactics of a fight

  • @notisac3149
    @notisac3149 10 месяцев назад

    I’m trying to teach my friends some basic self defense, and I mean basic lol. So if anything, this will help me teach them as I’m the one with the most experience.
    Now I’m no pro and I don’t mean to boast, but I’m pretty confident that I can take on most of my friends in a spar pretty dang well despite being less than half as strong as some of them. And yet, I can often punch just as hard *because* I have the basic technique down while still trying to improve on my own.
    I hope that once they get some of the basics down, they will be able to take better advantage of their superior strength and be able to hit more often without getting hit themselves. Knowing how to defend yourself is so much more than learning how to throw a punch.

  • @ericwilkinson42
    @ericwilkinson42 10 месяцев назад +1

    "Advanced techniques are just beginner mistakes done with purpose"

  • @AlanAmick
    @AlanAmick 3 месяца назад

    Technique is for muscle memory and aids in power generation when trained correctly. Once those foundations are laid Mike is absolutely right. At some point you're going to have your own version of techniques (and that's not to say they are always good or right) that works for you and as long as they land and do the job then you have succeeded. You can always go back to the fundamentals if you want to but for coaches to harp on technique and not good tactics and strategy for experienced fighters is pretty ridiculous. If they are making really bad mistakes, sure, but it shouldn't be necessary very often.

  • @sadetwizelve
    @sadetwizelve 10 месяцев назад +1

    Meh,the best pro boxer can beat the best street fighter and it will be because of his technique

  • @mr.q337
    @mr.q337 9 месяцев назад

    FightTIPS also did a similar video about this. Technique is good, but if the hit land, it's land. There's no point of having perfect technique is none of your hit land. If you have to sacrifice your technique to make the timing and land those shots, then by all mean, do it. You don't even need to hit hard if you land at the correct place at the right time. Timming > Speed, Accuracy > Power.

  • @froggyluv
    @froggyluv 9 месяцев назад

    I know what you're saying Mike I had a guy i was teaching all the technicals too watch me spar on video and he was like "You're not doing ANY of the things you've been teaching me!!". To me its important to have drilled those perfect techniques early on so they are imbedded into your subconscious taking over sometimes before you have time to think. Also learning how to open up the shoulder and extend those punches is really important for very tight non-rotating beginners who bogart their punches

  • @wolfkingAD
    @wolfkingAD 10 месяцев назад

    Also, thank you for bringing up this concept. It annoys me to no end: “you gotta do it this way for this reason”. Well, another style says you gotta do it the exact opposite way for a completely different reason. It all DEPENDS. There is no wrong.

  • @TheMightyMcClaw
    @TheMightyMcClaw 10 месяцев назад

    So much of "technique" instruction is just a prescriptivism formalism that really has nothing to do with fighting efficacy.
    I remember working with a boxing trainer, and asking how he felt about palm up vs palm down vs thumb down when throwing a hook. His response was "never throw your hook thumb down, that's wrong." To which I thought to myself "someone should tell Fedor Emelienenko he's been punching wrong his whole career."

  • @0xp556
    @0xp556 9 месяцев назад

    Okay, youve made perfect sense three minutes in.
    Its like how Pacquiao throws that twisting 2 that I added to my repertoire.

  • @eyeofsauron2812
    @eyeofsauron2812 9 месяцев назад

    Interesting, I'll definitely have to come back to this once I start competing 2024

  • @Akumetsu-z1i
    @Akumetsu-z1i 9 месяцев назад

    Technique isn't for winning, it is for not losing. What I mean it, it does not decide your wins but it is for protecting your body. How you punch weave and move is very important for avoiding injuries.

  • @gabe4131
    @gabe4131 9 месяцев назад

    Great video. Definitely a lack of import concepts are taught in MMA. A lot of what you said is stuff that you will learn with experience. I wish coaches spent more time teaching defense. Love your videos Mike. Would love more advanced striking videos.

  • @spankyjeffro5320
    @spankyjeffro5320 9 месяцев назад

    I think they teach technique first to reinforce consistency. Hand here to block face = block face is good idea. Sure, you can change that up after 2 years of training and fights.
    But, for a noob. Consistently blocking punches might be better than "do what you think is best". What they think is best might not be best, they're a noob. I think it trains their
    automatic responses so they have a better basis to learn from themselves in future. Builds up their minimum above the average.

  • @richburg8084
    @richburg8084 9 месяцев назад

    I love this video, dude is spot on, i have trained in quite a few things, taekwondo, krav maga, MCMAP, Kali and truly no matter how someones technique is when you get hit ot hurts sometimes alot. Awesome video!!!!

  • @andrewminer3308
    @andrewminer3308 10 месяцев назад

    I agree totally. I had a hip surgery 20 years ago. Some of my kicks with my right leg look awkward AF when I do Muay Thai. But they land...😜

  • @husasizzle
    @husasizzle 9 месяцев назад

    "AND, if you want more tip and tricks on how to make yourself Hard 2 Hurt, subscribe to the channel."
    I'm certain I messed up what Icy Mike normally says, but y'all get it.

  • @mdef303
    @mdef303 10 месяцев назад +2

    I’ve been saying this for years. Natural ability separates the men from the boys. Born with it. Period

  • @mariuscatalin5982
    @mariuscatalin5982 6 месяцев назад +1

    Tehnique matters because it has principles behind it
    If you don't learn them you will never progress
    Learn WHY the tehnique is the way it is

  • @B..B.
    @B..B. 10 месяцев назад

    I only think about perfect techniques as a form of physical training. It helps to develop mind-muscle connection. When Shadow boxing I've tried everything that comes to mind, even bad techniques. In sparring we start to filtering whats is being in the first tool box and in the reserve one, thus developing strategies with all the usable good and bad techniques. In fight I try to use the best strategies from sparring, if fails lets chaos reing, but lets move and fight

  • @deusvult4935
    @deusvult4935 5 месяцев назад

    The thing is Some things work better or worse for everyone... depending on the persons so ye. true asf

  • @thelastronin7691
    @thelastronin7691 10 месяцев назад

    the slap hook is the exact reason i tore my bicep a few years back, besides that one pretty solid advice.

  • @kwanarchive
    @kwanarchive 10 месяцев назад

    I prefer to look at technique, not as "this is the correct way to do this", but as a stepping point in training the mechanic/power/tactical principle of an action or combo. Technique is wrong when it's applied to the wrong situation. In a different situation, the same technique would work, and possibly be optimal.
    But for beginners, it's hard to keep track of all the variations, so you have them learn one variation as the "default" and then work in the variations as a way of highlighting the core principle at play.

  • @alessandrolaserra2897
    @alessandrolaserra2897 10 месяцев назад

    Technic is also learning how to throw with speed and power, and no, you're not going to hurt no one with some of those shot. Also if the ref notices you slap instead of punching in a boxing match (amateur) they will take points away from you.

  • @Ashbringer85
    @Ashbringer85 10 месяцев назад

    Technique is important for grappling above other disciplines you don't tire yourself out. MMA fighters need technique but I agree not important for a street brawl. Actually most important thing for a street brawl is weight.

  • @thegoodlistenerpodcast
    @thegoodlistenerpodcast 10 месяцев назад

    Tbf having your hand up when you get hit can make the difference between getting rocked and getting KO’d not just “hurts a little less than no hand up”

  • @TheZod00
    @TheZod00 8 месяцев назад +1

    First learn the rules, then bend them at your leisure.

  • @maxsonja6608
    @maxsonja6608 9 месяцев назад

    I get what he’s saying, in the beginning for a new student, yes it’s good to teach good techniques but after a while it really is about strategy

  • @Fuentes70
    @Fuentes70 9 месяцев назад

    There’s a difference between teaching a beginner than training someone with experience. Proper technics are just foundations for a fighter to learn, grow and evolve

  • @AC57001
    @AC57001 3 месяца назад

    disagree when it comes to grappling specifically bjj. if you don't have the details down a lot of shit wont work