Magic TV Top 8 of the Week: Best Free Spells

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  • @alessandroboscaini8424
    @alessandroboscaini8424 6 лет назад +8

    8:15
    2012 LSV: Gitaxian Probe is good and well designed
    6 years later is banned in modern, banned in legacy and restricted in vintage
    Let’s just say it aged VERY well

  • @charliec6036
    @charliec6036 6 лет назад +4

    Man I love this show! I wish it was still around

    • @Zarbon000
      @Zarbon000 2 года назад +1

      Nah. This show perfectly captured Magic as it was. When the Pro Tour mattered. When 60 card Casual was Dominant. Before 🔥 design ruined everything. This is now the good old days.

  • @ozfan6
    @ozfan6 9 лет назад +28

    Liliana of the Veil 17.50 and snapcaster at 15? I'll take a million.

    • @samholden5758
      @samholden5758 9 лет назад +2

      ozfan6 Surely you can find better things to do with your time machine?

    • @angusseydel9733
      @angusseydel9733 9 лет назад

      Sam Holden No, not really

    • @nartin9
      @nartin9 9 лет назад +2

      +Sam Holden get black lotuses for 20

    • @ShiyokoCL
      @ShiyokoCL 7 лет назад

      >buylist prices
      K

    • @DiabloTommaso
      @DiabloTommaso 7 лет назад

      2012

  • @EastWindCommunity1973
    @EastWindCommunity1973 Год назад +1

    7:40 LSV has really picked up on his Snuff Outs in Vintage cube

  • @cowkillerX16
    @cowkillerX16 9 лет назад +6

    these videos always end on the most awkward note...i love it

    • @flipidy94
      @flipidy94 9 лет назад +1

      cowkillerX16 me too LSV really grows on you

    • @ashzciwobuz1277
      @ashzciwobuz1277 8 лет назад

      +flipidy94 just like lsd

  • @oscargarcia2011
    @oscargarcia2011 7 лет назад +22

    when gitaxian prob gets banned in moderm

    • @zacharydunn2222
      @zacharydunn2222 7 лет назад +2

      OG Gecko I've become mentally ill cuz mental misstep aint on this list

    • @clauderodrigue5016
      @clauderodrigue5016 7 лет назад +1

      OG Gecko I cried the whole time he was talking about it

    • @ErikTheRedd1
      @ErikTheRedd1 6 лет назад +5

      OG Gecko when gitaxian probe gets banned in legacy

    • @braddenscott6932
      @braddenscott6932 6 лет назад

      Banned in Legacy now even.

  • @maximumkillmtg
    @maximumkillmtg 6 лет назад +2

    Oh the good old days of TSG and LSV.

  • @st33pestasc3nt
    @st33pestasc3nt 10 лет назад +8

    Mental Misstep warped Legacy so much it warranted banning. Still commonly played in Vintage. Doesn't make the list?
    Dread Return?

    • @SpiderWaffle
      @SpiderWaffle 10 лет назад +15

      Ya ommiting mental misstep had to be a mistake, oversight, or mental misstep

  • @gubaguy
    @gubaguy 8 лет назад +12

    Hey LSV, is gut shot still not worthy of your list?

  • @ryanrodrigues5355
    @ryanrodrigues5355 2 года назад

    9:56 … TSG with the unamused sigh 😑 as LSV is rhyming off the turn 1 win … perfection 🤣

  • @GorillaRadio88
    @GorillaRadio88 3 года назад +1

    Once
    Upon
    A
    Time

  • @dual10
    @dual10 12 лет назад +1

    Tempting Wurm, Hypergenesis, and Dream Halls, although not free to cast theselves, are by far the best free spells as they get the most stuff out onto the table for free.

  • @SpiderWaffle
    @SpiderWaffle 10 лет назад +2

    Do the publishers just get their ideas from this from youtube comments now? The e-mail you used to want ideas sent doesn't work anymore. I sent a lot of ideas in their in the past, some were used.
    Does still star city still offer store credits for ideas that were used? Because I never got any :(
    Thanks, 'shout in the dark' (silver bullet land!)

  • @kgesme21
    @kgesme21 12 лет назад

    Actually had me going for a second there with the talk about Extraction.

  • @grixloth
    @grixloth 12 лет назад

    I was WAITING for force of will. I thought you guys weren't going to even mention it!

  • @mr.joesterr5359
    @mr.joesterr5359 10 лет назад +3

    I'm pretty sure everyone knew daze, gush, and force of will were in top 3 lol

  • @PaulGaither
    @PaulGaither 10 лет назад

    Before watching, honorable mention or a place for something in manaless ichorid. A vintage deck that would make many top 8's and top 4's in vintage and never spent a point of mana to cast a spell in the entire tournament is hot.

    • @DrewskiTheLegend
      @DrewskiTheLegend 9 лет назад

      Yeah, but game 2 tends to suck due to dredge being the default sideboard plan for most decks in the field.

    • @PaulGaither
      @PaulGaither 9 лет назад

      DrewskiTheLegend And the entire sideboard for dredge was to hate on graveyard hate. My list which I have kept together, but is long out of date, rand 4 chain of vapor, 4 Emerald Charm, 4 Gemstone mine, and 3 city of Brass with the 4th city of brass in the main board as a 16th sideboard card.
      I piloted combo, but lent out my ichorid deck to my close friends.We used to play in NorCal, and I actually won a Vintage event against LSV himself, and took multiple top 8's and top 4s along with my friends. One friend also beat LSV on his way to winning an Ancestral Recall. Manaless Ichorid was for real. I don't know how good it is now, this was in 2006-2008. My understanding is it still has a presence.

  • @TheGmeadowsjr
    @TheGmeadowsjr 12 лет назад +1

    DISTRACTION BULGE!
    I laugh at the demeaning of Surgical Extraction. The card obviously removes any threat from any deck while being played from any deck, but the intangible part is if you get rid of a 4-of, you just gave your opponent 3 less non-land draws (if 3 were in the deck). Surgical Extract also forces an opponents deck shuffle. Ponder? Ok, lets get rid of all of those and remove that 2-card play you just set up. It's a much deeper card than what its obvious effect is.

  • @XenosFFBE
    @XenosFFBE 12 лет назад

    Whomever edits your videos, please have them put cards you two gab about on the screen please? Lots of people would love you since most of us never played with Homelands and such. Keep the vids coming!!

  • @tw3thRZHGTREF4j
    @tw3thRZHGTREF4j 6 лет назад

    it's really interesting to see how hard it is to accurately evaluate a card like gitaxian probe. boy was lsv wrong on that one

  • @alpharage1090
    @alpharage1090 12 лет назад

    Mox Emerald, Mox Jet, Mox Pearl, Mox Ruby, and Mox Sapphire are THE cycle of Moxes. I put all five of them at number 2 :)

  • @helpmycatsonfire
    @helpmycatsonfire 10 лет назад +3

    Missing six pieces of Power... And the Urza block "free" mechanic

    • @mr.joesterr5359
      @mr.joesterr5359 10 лет назад

      Power we're too obvious, it isn't even debatable that they are the best magic cards of all time. They don't include them on any list because they would always be at #1

    • @helpmycatsonfire
      @helpmycatsonfire 10 лет назад

      Only two of the Power would make a list of the most powerful 5 cards in Magic history (Ancestral and Lotus at 1 and 2 in a debatable order). Mana Crypt, Tolarian Academy, Library of Alexandria, Yawgmoth's Will, Demonic Tutor and possibly others would be ahead of Moxes or Time Walk, and Timetwister would be behind Brainstorm, Gush and many many other cards.

    • @jackiesingleton2351
      @jackiesingleton2351 7 лет назад

      helpmycatsonfire ,,,, Demonic Tutor might be my favorite card ever but Time walk is better than pretty much everything. A free turn for 1U is ridiculous! P

  • @willmiller5120
    @willmiller5120 10 лет назад

    What about mental misstep?
    It is banned in legacy and got banned fairly quickly.

  • @Hush99
    @Hush99 9 лет назад +4

    try Invigorate in an infect deck

  • @unfw
    @unfw 11 лет назад

    You heard them wrong. They were talking about how after you probe someone with a bad hand, the person that was probed starts drawing answers like Slagstorm or other needed cards. They didn't say that the opponent got to draw a card.

  • @thetruth4654
    @thetruth4654 7 лет назад

    1.Black Lotus
    2.Mox Saphire
    3.Mox Jet
    4.Mox Ruby
    5.Mox Pearl
    6.Mox Emerald
    7.Mental Mistep
    8.Force of Will
    9.Gitaxian Probe
    10.Gush
    Honarable mentions Mox Opal, Chrome Mox, Massacre, Snuff Out, Reverent Silence, Daze, Surgical Extraction, Mana Crypt, Welding Jar(Very Narrow but still a really strong card)

  • @Asmodeus555
    @Asmodeus555 9 лет назад

    I guess manamorphose doesn't count... What about Noxious Revival? It can do good!
    I experimented with it in storm, it can get you your land drop when you need it and it playing a manamorphose and Noxious reviving it then gitprobing into it and casting it again is pretty sweet.

    • @MarfoNRG
      @MarfoNRG 9 лет назад

      Basically pyromancer ascension + manamorphose and noxious is a infinite mana combo

  • @TheFirebloom
    @TheFirebloom 12 лет назад

    what does LSV say at 2-48? bragdos or something?

  • @valoth
    @valoth 12 лет назад

    Top 8 best things to get into the game, from outside the game

  • @RSosage2781
    @RSosage2781 12 лет назад

    Top 8 most overlooked cards while doing Top 8's (actually including wurmcoil)

  • @casinoboy8871
    @casinoboy8871 3 года назад

    2021!

  • @LaPoubelle42
    @LaPoubelle42 8 лет назад

    FOW just got the reprint they wanted!

  • @SpiderWaffle
    @SpiderWaffle 10 лет назад +1

    I'm not saying FOW banning/restricting would improve formats but other than belcher, what "unfair" decks would be so over-powered, I mean it's not like SI and all those decks are top teir, and there's misdirection and flusterstorm that are not used all too much in sides or mains because FOW is better. Has anyone actually tried the format without FOW to see? maybe if FOW was out and a misdirection for abilities was printed, or a lesser FOW, or some other ley lyne type cards to nerf these "unfair" decks (why must it be for blue only)

    • @47Mortuus
      @47Mortuus 9 лет назад

      Duress/Thoughtseize/Cabal Therapy

  • @thepekay
    @thepekay 12 лет назад

    Top 8 weeks with most weekly Top 8s

  • @yuan303
    @yuan303 11 лет назад +1

    FoW you must splash blue, while any deck can play misstep.

  • @DailyChocolatebar
    @DailyChocolatebar 6 лет назад

    I need the best free spell to get your ex back. How do I get it

  • @Jadefirewsn
    @Jadefirewsn 12 лет назад

    They probably just mean zero mana cost. So any card with a non-mana ACC would count as would Pacts, Leylines, some Traps, pure-Phyrexian mana cards, etc. You could even argue that the entire cycle of Urza block untap spells like Rewind is free because there is no net mana cost.

  • @eriksoininen9990
    @eriksoininen9990 12 лет назад

    TOP 8: TOP 8 MISTAKES YOU'VE DONE IN YOUR TOP 8 LISTS. for example no moat in best white cards, no zuran orb in lifegain cards, no mental misstep free cards etc...

  • @AshenRider112
    @AshenRider112 10 лет назад

    what about the moxen?

  • @coltsfan354
    @coltsfan354 12 лет назад

    Especially since it lets you see your opponents deck as well.

  • @walterppk1989
    @walterppk1989 12 лет назад

    let me fix that list for you.
    1 free mana (black lotus, moxes)
    2 force of will
    3 daze
    4 gush
    5 fireblast
    6 mental misstep
    7 gitaxian probe
    8 leyline of the void

  • @Uberobot
    @Uberobot 12 лет назад

    This list is about to make LSV Gush for Daze.

  • @Aassymcass
    @Aassymcass 12 лет назад

    lol I thought I was the only one who made that joke.

  • @KarateKidX
    @KarateKidX 12 лет назад

    isn't this like the fourth top 8 of the week this week?

  • @janius777
    @janius777 12 лет назад

    "Free spell" means alternative non-mana cost and not zero CMC like black lotus
    no L.E.D. , no dismember (partial "free") etc.
    yeah misstep would be worth to mention at least even though no top8 (R&D Magic hated it obviously)
    also: Invigorate, Not of this World

  • @TheCriminalTruth
    @TheCriminalTruth 11 лет назад

    Legacy, Imagine unbanning mental misstep and banning force of will. I've always wondered why they didn't go that route.

  • @MrNukeaholic
    @MrNukeaholic 12 лет назад

    @ApocalypticUrge
    Watch both

  • @KarateKidX
    @KarateKidX 12 лет назад

    No Ionia in the video that had both the top 8 hosers and the top 8 angles

  • @zachmatthews9857
    @zachmatthews9857 12 лет назад

    No it isn't.
    When you evaluate and compare two powerful cards, one of which is banned to a one of in the most powerful format, you have to evaluate them in a vacuum.
    In a vacuum, FoW is very good. It stops unfair decks from going off as well as giving you a huge tempo swing when you play your five or six drop and then counter theirs. There, however, lies the fundamental problem with counterspells. They are reactive, not proactive, which in a vacuum is not very good.
    Lotus, however, is proactive.

  • @SoulofMusic666
    @SoulofMusic666 12 лет назад

    um... LSV "Every free spell is broken".... so marrow shards is broken?

  • @TheGmeadowsjr
    @TheGmeadowsjr 12 лет назад

    Black Lotus costs mana, the cards on this list are either mana cost removed or paid with life. There are a few cards that give you more mana than what the CMC is (none as good as black lotus), but none of them are considered "free" cast. They're making a specific list, not a list with "also black lotus lololololol" on it.

  • @dazedouji
    @dazedouji 12 лет назад

    Black Lotus costs zero mana and has no additional costs. This is in comparison to spells that have alternative costs that involve (for example) paying life or exiling cards from hand, but cost no mana. If those are free and Black Lotus is not, how exactly are we defining "free " spells?

  • @maxiewawa
    @maxiewawa 12 лет назад

    Is that a mobile phone in LSV's pocket or is he just really excited about not paying anything for Massacre...

  • @hoiss
    @hoiss 9 лет назад

    LED?

  • @dazedouji
    @dazedouji 12 лет назад

    Kind of surprised that Black Lotus doesn't count. :P

  • @pkrangehit
    @pkrangehit 12 лет назад

    They shouldn't reprint something like force of will... The money and effort people have put into obtaining rare cards like that only to have them devalue by so much (if they got reprinted) would cause an outcry

  • @richardpointer
    @richardpointer 6 лет назад

    Fireblast is the best!

  • @DAX_BEATS
    @DAX_BEATS 7 лет назад

    How is Black Lotus not on this list?

  • @DavidBrianDobbsArt
    @DavidBrianDobbsArt 12 лет назад

    SHOT THROUGH THE HEART, AND YOU'RE TO BLAME, YOU GIVE LOVE A BAD NAME!

  • @justaguy5761
    @justaguy5761 6 лет назад +1

    These guys have jokes for daze...

  • @bludlar
    @bludlar 12 лет назад

    No Pacts?

  • @alpharage1090
    @alpharage1090 12 лет назад

    Before every top 8 I always make a prediction list and see how close I got. I guess my interpretation of a free spell is different. I was thinking about cards that have a converted mana cost of zero.
    1. Black Lotus
    2. Mox cycle
    3. Mana Crypt
    4. Opal Mox
    5. Chrome Mox
    6. Lotus Petal
    7. Mox Diamond
    8. Zuran Orb

  • @blakebjb
    @blakebjb 12 лет назад

    Hit me with your gutshot! FIRE AWAAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!!!!!!

  • @battle_on
    @battle_on 12 лет назад

    I mean...you are watching people who on a daily basis focus on winning pro tours...I also think that hate might be too strong a word.

  • @thanorn3
    @thanorn3 12 лет назад

    What? still no wurmcoil?

  • @Johansen1000
    @Johansen1000 12 лет назад

    how is wurmcoil a free card?

  • @KatakiUchiha
    @KatakiUchiha 12 лет назад

    Does anyone agree that Surgical Extraction should beat out Force of Will?

  • @BaceJeleren
    @BaceJeleren 12 лет назад

    Did anyone else see Woodland Falls 3:21

  • @vicjenny
    @vicjenny 12 лет назад

    No mental Misstep. LSV needs to get back to playing Pauper too, if he was Invigorate would easily be on that list.

  • @LAZERPEOPLZ
    @LAZERPEOPLZ 12 лет назад

    0:22, that's what she said!

  • @CarruthersElliot
    @CarruthersElliot 10 лет назад

    And then the judges got promos of force of will.

  • @Damnationization
    @Damnationization 12 лет назад

    Ok. I thought you were talking about a card of that name.
    I think your are the top 8 zero casting cost spells.
    Thoough zero is free they didn't do it because the list is all older cards.

  • @SoulReaverDan
    @SoulReaverDan 12 лет назад

    Where* is Black Lotus*, it is the epitome* of FREE.

  • @Skyotonic
    @Skyotonic 10 лет назад +1

    Time Spiral?

    • @canman87
      @canman87 10 лет назад

      Not free. You have to invest six mana into it. There is no option.

    • @Skyotonic
      @Skyotonic 10 лет назад

      yea but u can untap up to 6 lands so it can be free

    • @MaddaTheApache
      @MaddaTheApache 10 лет назад

      Skyotonic You have to tap 6 lands, therefor it requires investment which means.... it's not free.

    • @MaddaTheApache
      @MaddaTheApache 10 лет назад

      That doesn't mean its free. You have to "spend mana" on it. The concept is pretty clear in the video that if you have to "invest mana" to cast the spell, it isn't considered "free."

    • @Skyotonic
      @Skyotonic 10 лет назад

      All the "free spells" from the urza block...
      magiccards.info/query?q=o%3AUntap+o%3Aup+o%3Ato++o%3Alands+%28e%3Aud%2Fen+or+e%3Aul%2Fen+or+e%3Aus%2Fen%29&v=card&s=cname

  • @Traumerei112
    @Traumerei112 12 лет назад

    Man, gilded lotus is just so much better than black lotus. right ?

  • @americanmade9855
    @americanmade9855 11 лет назад

    It's not necessarily free. You still have to have two lands in place to play it.

  • @pkrangehit
    @pkrangehit 12 лет назад

    SO... where is the black lotus?

  • @Seergun
    @Seergun 12 лет назад

    No dismember?

  • @Colinski03
    @Colinski03 11 лет назад

    Pretty sure TSG nodded during this entire video

  • @Adelphius1
    @Adelphius1 12 лет назад

    Brad goes

  • @jman3267
    @jman3267 11 лет назад

    No Affinity?

  • @TheFirebloom
    @TheFirebloom 12 лет назад

    oh, thanks LOL!

  • @jackcphelps
    @jackcphelps 11 лет назад

    Burning Tree?

  • @TheGmeadowsjr
    @TheGmeadowsjr 12 лет назад

    The card that is trivial past turn one and could actually be useless against a deck? Running a deck with zero 1 cmc costs isn't uncommon. If mental misstep isn't on the bottom of this list, it's gotta be close.

  • @alexstack1992
    @alexstack1992 12 лет назад

    you seem to have forgotten the best free spells in the game......

  • @heydw543
    @heydw543 10 лет назад +2

    Where are their necks?

  • @jeremysaint
    @jeremysaint 12 лет назад

    no free mana?!!?

  • @kynandesouza
    @kynandesouza 11 лет назад

    "The Leafs lost" Hahahahahahaha

  • @JohnAndJohner
    @JohnAndJohner 11 лет назад

    Same with Gush isn't it?

  • @MSNking14
    @MSNking14 12 лет назад

    I can counter one spell... i can take out 4 copies of Jace on turn one after Despise ;)

  • @cRu5h3r1337
    @cRu5h3r1337 12 лет назад

    1:44 Does he say "geil geil geil"? xD

  • @Damnationization
    @Damnationization 12 лет назад

    Mox cycle??? What are you talking about?

  • @Traumerei112
    @Traumerei112 12 лет назад

    Also, obviously submerge should have been on this list ..

  • @MTGgoFigure
    @MTGgoFigure 12 лет назад

    Where's Mental Misstep?

  • @OnionK
    @OnionK 12 лет назад

    lol @ TSG's Leafs Lost Alarm

  • @ErikTheRedd1
    @ErikTheRedd1 6 лет назад

    And then gitaxian probe was banned in legacy

  • @jasperwagner6117
    @jasperwagner6117 5 лет назад

    When gitaxian prode gets banned in vintage and modern

  • @izoeidolon
    @izoeidolon 11 лет назад

    and they were right about progenitus (DEBT, not DEBTD)

  • @theonecalledy2ckt
    @theonecalledy2ckt 12 лет назад

    >best free spells
    Yep, Channel Fireball confirmed for hating EDH/Commander.

  • @MADEINCHINA227
    @MADEINCHINA227 12 лет назад

    .....sulfur falls is 1.50