M2 MacBook was a bad idea…until I actually ran these tests
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- Опубликовано: 9 сен 2024
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This video is perfect, it alleviates my concerns about the M2's performance. Whilst there is a place for the 14" M1 Pro, I don't think I need that much performance for my current needs.
the price tag still hurts tho. i dunno why its $200 more expensive than the m1. it literally performs so similar. not to mention the temperatures, 108 degrees shortens that cpu's lifespan massively.
as a computer science student, i was actually excited about the product. but the more videos i watch, the more disappointed i get.
This video is perfect. I have an old MacBook Air and am getting the new M2, and the results shown are exactly what I needed to know about their differences. Thanks Alex!
I love these videos. Most people on youtube try to use video apps to justify the performance, but I like to see real world comparisons. Not everyone buys macs to be video editors. So this is so great to see real world usages. Definitely will subscribe.
You said what's really in my mind. 👍
I would like to see some benchmarks of sitting through 8 hours straight of Standups, sprint grooming sessions, retrospectives, corporate roadmap presentations from the marketing department, and a finally a 2 hour lecture from the HR lady about the importance of 'people and culture '.
ie ... An average day at work for the modern developer.
😂
If all you do is “user” type tasks, you don’t care about the drive speed. If doing programming, video editing, etc. then you care and would NEVER get the base level storage. Big RUclips deal about nothing. Thank you for a proper evaluation and perspective!
Hey alex i would like to see a comparison of m1 with spec upgraded to same lvl as m2 price. It would really clear the doubts about which is worth the price. Love your
videos
those reviews are out there...do a quick search
Same here, for the m2 base price 1199 it could be vs m1 999 + 200 16gb, both 256gb as well
It would be great to see the thermal throttle, compilation Speed, on M1 vs M2 esp on comparing different CPU, RAM, SSD space.
Thanks a lot for these videos Alex. I gonna get one on Black Fridays in Mexico, so I am thinking if a M2 air base model or a M1 with 16 gb ram. But I really love the dark tones in laptops. So these videos help me a lot related to performance. I am going to use it for web and iOs development. Thanks!
I do appreciate the point made that most reviewers I’ve seen seem to have forgotten: most buyers of computers produced in 2022 aren’t replacing models they got last year, they’re replacing computers that are already several years old.
You always know what video to make! Thanks for working on this Alex!
Finally!!
A video that compares the M2 to Intel chips.
Thank you SOOOOOOOOOO much!! This is the comparison I was waiting for! I currently have an Air 2016 and I guess so many people also do, and 5 years is what we expect a machine to last. Mine has been struggling with heavier workloads like using illustrator and photoshop at the same time. It works, but slowly. I've been considering 2023 as the year I'll save to buy a new one, because in Brazil the cost for a regular person to get an Apple machine is usually 10x the cost compared to the US, so you need both an extremely good reason to upgrade and the courage to save a huge amount of money. Just to put in perspective, you can buy a used entry car for that much money. It's too expensive. Anyway, thank you so much!! I'm strongly considering this M2 MBAir.
@Ramp well, I guess it’s the 2015 then! 😅 I bought it in 2017…
@Ramp can you please??? Omg thanks!! There’s no way I can buy one soon…
I know people say the difference in performance from the M1 to the M2 is negligible, but I guess most people will be coming from older machines like me, and the jump will be huge. Even compared to the M1…
I’ll use it mostly for teaching online and some designing, some adobe illustrator, photoshop, indesign, lots of pdf creating, screen sharing, video playing, content creation (images and videos)… so I’m looking forward to these newer chips to help me with that.
Thanks
Great video. As much as some people will hate it, this comparison is more realistic for average buyers. It’s fun to watch you compare last year to this years model, but most people buy tech 2-5 years apart.
Hey alex! Could you please please tell if 8gb 256gb m2 air would be enough for college stuff pursuing computer science engineering.
I love your video Alex. This part 6:07 is touch my point. Trust Apple Engineer.
It's kinda funny how all these RUclipsrs think they are smarter than Apple Engineers and have expert knowledge of SoC endurance curves under sustain thermal load.
It's all based experiences they heard from unfounded "Bro Science" back in the 1990s. Today's processor have been rigorously tested to survive in 100C temps for years on end without failing. Apple/Intel/AMD do extensive testing to make sure they do.
Just like why you don't need ECC ram for consumer products but in theory, it's possible that radiation from outer space can alter data of your RAM chips to cause data corruption and possibly system crash
Most of the people who would buy the base MBA wouldn’t notice a difference in read or write speeds. Much less know what benchmarks are.
agree hate benchmarks
The same people wouldn't notice much of a difference between the M1 and M2 in their use case (and mind you, the M1 is significantly cheaper too). So the only factor that remains is whether or not really need the Magsafe and/or like the new design more.
Could you do a 16GB 512GB comparison between the M2 Macbook Air and the 14" M1 Pro Macbook Pro (that name ...)?
Hey alex! Great video. I'd love to see a comparison between the 16/256 and the 8/512 versions of the mba m2. It would be amazing for people who can afford only one the upgrades. Thanks!!
16gb ram wins most cases.
Go watch ArtIsRight video uploaded 3 days ago.
@@TonyNguyen-it7vd Will do, thanks!
It's been a long time since I last created a build system for a project, but one of the things I recall doing was making sure the compilation was done on the RAM as much as possible - it was substantially faster. Though this was back when SSDs were not on most laptops/desktops, which is now making me curious how much faster RAM is vs a modern NVME - probably still quite a lot tbf.
My 4 year old XPS 15 has SSD of similar speed. (1500MB/s read/write)
It works great until you use up all the ram (chrome, virtual machines,....) . When it starts swapping heavily it's excruciating.
With XPS I just upgraded the RAM and problem was solved. If you can't upgrade ram or SSD you need top of the line performance for SSD and ram. I would rather get the pro...
If you run VMs and chrome and all these apps simultaneously, .... why on earth would you use a 256GB SSD?!?
get the 16GB/512GB ... which is about $1600 ... still $300-400 cheaper than base model MBP14, so I think there's still a market for that segment.
@@RunForPeace-hk1cu MBP14 base is often on sale for $1750...
I would think the way a problem would manifest in this scenario is if like me you have dozens of tabs open and your IDE and then you want to do something and the computer runs out of memory which is very likely happen with only 8GB of RAM on the base model. When it starts swapping to the SSD there might be a noticeable slowdown on the machine.. but I'm not sure about how feasible this scenario is..
Really, you do pro-work on an 8GB machine? I mean, why make your compile times slower than they need to be? Even just having dozens of Chrome tabs open and no IDE, I would know that I need a 16GB machine! I would probably go for 24GB, but more likely be using a MB Pro 14/16. You cannot blame Apple for your bad buying decisions, 8gb really, that is crazy!
went from my 2019 Intel I9, to 2021 Macbook Pro M1 Pro.
WHAT a difference, and I can actually have it on my lap without getting burned! :D - even when I had it on my desk (about 5cm solid wood thick), it would get hot on the underside of it! - the M1 pro I have used it while running some programs etc and I have not felt it get "hot" only a tiny bit warm AND I had the battery lasting for SO much longer, a whole world apart there.
oh and I havn't even yet heard the fans come on, while the I9 model I had would have fans on just by being on the desktop lol
thanks Alex for your videos, I enjoy them very much, keep on going! :)
I literally needed this video
For future videos, you could use AmorphousDiskMark instead of BlackMagic Speed Test. It is the closest macOS gets to CrystalDiskMark right now. The only thing I think it misses right now is that the dark theme really has no fancy colors, unlike the light theme, which clones the color scheme defaults of CrystalDiskMark, with permission from the author.
108c is normal temps for you. Fantastic
it’s a bit high, to say the least.
Did you asked Mr. Arnold Schwarzenegger the authorization to use his 3 thumbs????? Nice video, as always!
he doesn’t know. 🤫
Man, 114 degrees was the highest in my base model M2 MacBook Air
Hi Alex, I am very interested to see M2 Macbook Air vs M1 Pro Macbook Pro in a sustained docker build scenario to see how much the throttling will impact the performance
Very interesting 🤔! Good to know ! Thanks for your efforts.
How do the SSDs differ in file access time? I think this has a more significant impact on compilation speed than read/write speed since usually a lot of small code files must be accessed.
The terminator is the perfect touch. Your benchmarks wouldn't be the same without it.
i just ordered macbook air m2 base model, I already had an asus tuf gaming laptop but because now I am a college student i realized that i just cant take that 17.3 inch gaming laptop to my college everyday due to its weight and bulkiness.
By the way the i have chosen starlight color
It's great to compare it to the intel MacBook Air to put things into context!!
Thank you Alex! Really need this
Great video and confirms that the base M2 Air will be a huge spec bump over my 8yr old i5 8gb 128gb MacBook Pro
😂 this seems like an obvious thing to me. But yea, I hear ya… glad you got your confirmation! Go ahead and buy that M2, you won’t regret it! 😃
Finally there comes a developer's test.😆Long have I been waiting
thats really helpfull thx
This was a nice comparison but please can you do the same comparison between M1 Air vs M2 Air?
It might beim just a very cheap Samsunfg QLC or TLC SSD has been integrated, instead of MLC/SLC profi SSD, as the high price would let assume…
Android Studio's emulators used a lots of SSD. If you want to test on several emulators quickly, the SSD speed is crucial. Even when you want to shut down an emulator, the emulator will try to save a large file of several GB to remember the current state of the emulator. If your SSD is slow, the experience will be very laggy.
i’ve confirmed this. very slow android emulator perf indeed
Those tears earned a like. I felt your pain :(
Hey Alex can you do the same type of test with M1 Mac Pro (2020 edition) as the price was the same as M2 Air.
which is the mandelbrot test you did ? not able to find it
This is a great comparison. Most people don’t upgrade every year, so this shows the difference when you finally do.
Hoping you do a m2 vs m1 pro vs m1 pro max with these tests. Looking forward to it!
Your Dev videos are my favorite as myself a dev do not edit photos or encode video. I have said 2017 MBA and those results were astounding. I do my coding on my 2019 Core-i7 MBP 15” my work gives me. Would you consider comparing the M2 MBA/P to the 2019 MBP? tHat would be intriguing
From morning my MacBook Air 2017 model is not turning on 😭. I guess its time to upgrade…
Which one to pick for machine learning: newly launched Dell XPS Ubuntu certified or a MacBook.
I really like the Visual Studio Remote extension. I wonder if it would work from a M2 Air as a client, and the Mac Studio as a server.
I am passing from a 2015 macbook pro to m2 air I think it will be amazing
Hi Alex. I use a lot intelli J products like pycharm, webstorm etc. I also use a lot of chrome tabs. 😅
For these kind of tasks would an air or pro MacBook be the best choice?
Can you do a ML test using create ML ?
Thanks for doing tests relevant to developers. Can you do this comparing the m2 air with the m1 pro?
Hey Alex, how temperature when run live server frontend, backend api and docker for database.
hello, I really loved your video, I have a question, I am a computer sciences master degree student and I am taking courses like machine learning, deep learning and artificial intelligent, do you recommend the macbook air M1 or should I go for a pro or promax? I need it for my studies.
thank you very much for your help.
m2 is more than enough for web dev +threejs+blender right?
Hey Alex, quick question about the courses you listed in the description. Which one do you recommend for a total beginner and the one which is mainly used in industry? I was thinking about starting with the Angular one as I've heard many people use it, just looking for your suggestion. Thanks... Great video as always btw...
Wiiii, now the developer's side of these new devices ;)
I remember having a toshiba laptop and when I upgraded into an ssd the overall performance was at least twice as fast for development and starting windows was 1 third of the time. So for me was a huge deal and my ssd read speed at that time was only 480mbps
I push my current old laptop to 7GB while using it. Should I get 8GB or 16GB?
Hi, I’m currently studying a double degree in Spain, Computer Engineering + Mathematics. Actually, I’m using a MacBook Air i5 2015 xd. I think it’s time to change my apple device and I was between MacBook Air M2 or MacBook Pro M2, both with 512 GB SSD. I was wondering whether it is more than enough to buy the MacBook Air or I would need the cooling system MacBook Pro M2 has. I’ve already watched this video and I’m more than shocked with the speed difference between MBA i5 2017 and MBA M2. I can’t imagine with my MBA i5 2015. My idea is to keep this new MacBook until the end of my career, so I would need an expert opinion before buying it.
I found a MBA M1 that is upgraded 16 gb and 512 ssd cheaper than the MBA M2 8gb and 512 . Almost hundred dollars cheaper . Which one would you go after ?
108 degress will not do anything. Google at what temperature wothout Pb is melting.
Hey Alex! Thank for your videos!
I wonder how colder will be MBP 14 with M1 Pro then M2 Air when building android stuff. I'm choosing between these two models, and the temperature is the only parameter that worries me. I'm pretty sure that M2 Air w/ 24gb and 1tb ssd will manage my android dev work routine, but I'm afraid that Air will be to hot and it won't be so comfortable to work on than MBP 14 w/ 32gb
You're complaining about a machine from 2017, but my PC is an i3 from 2012 with 4gb of RAM. You don't know how's running JetBrains software on it
Mandelbrot = Almond Bread
Hi Alex, is M2 Mac air is enough for .net Visual studio 2022 & web development work or should I go for M1 pro variant.
No professional developer would buy an entry level MacBook Air to do the paid work because time is money...A fully equipped Mac Studio might be the better solution for this. And by the way: The problem with the SSD was the swapping of memory. Your tests did not show that...
Nah ... MBP14/16 is perfectly suited for professional developer work. Not everyone work from home all the time. Pros also travel and need to bring their work with them.
@@RunForPeace-hk1cu Definitely, but that is not a low end MacBook Air…
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Welcome aboard!
I do think that apple engineers are smart , but u can’t hide the truth that it throttles so much at 100+ degrees like it wouldn’t hurt for one fan or even a heat sink I believe
They are right that the base model has a problem because it just has one nand chip. It’s a bummer but anyone who cares about overall performance needs to upgrade to the 512GB. If you end up swapping on the 256GB SSD model it slows down a lot. I usually upgrade the SSD a little anyway but it does make it pretty expensive machine compared to the old M1.
Anyone who stresses their MBA should upgrade to 512GB in the first place.
My parents used a MBA from 2013 (128GB SSD) for 8 years before upgrading to M1 MBA 2021 (256GB SSD). They never used their SSD past 80GB.
Why? Because they don't take many photos and only use it for content consumption, email, excel, watching youtube, Facebook, etc ...
Majority of the population will never stress their laptop ever.
@@RunForPeace-hk1cu Their M1 MBA 2021 will perform better than the M2 in a lot of situations. That kinda sucks all the same. It won’t make a lot of difference to the casual user until they perhaps start doing more photo or video work and find that the M2 is 6 times slower than the M1 which would really piss me off. Perhaps they’ll never notice though. We can only hope. That’s a baaaaad Apple to coin a phrase.
compare windows laptop with i5 11 gen and mac book air m2
Alex, can you try Android benchmark project? I suspect that ssd speed will matter there.
I love this guy
Are you referring to the very smart engineers at Apple who are so wise, experienced & knowledgable authorities of their field that they shipped batches upon batches of macbooks with those butterfly keyboards?? Yes, they're humans too! And humans can & DO make mistakes, its just part of who we are.
Just because the engineers have set 110 degree max temp for the machines, doesn't necessarily mean that this could not affect the longevity of the device. I think your concern is more than justified. As we are all increasingly aware of nowadays, there are many many hats in the decision room when it comes to designing & shipping products, engineers are just one of them, and they tend to not be as powerful as the marketing, finance & business people.
Tread with caution people, these machines aren't cheap!
Lol sometimes dont believe "engineers" sometimes they cut corners pressured by companies to deliver the product asap.. 105 f is scary on a computer, heats kills the compinets overtime
So, should i buy m2 256 or m2 512?
With all your environment setup docker android studio Xcode etc, how much drive left you have in you base model? (Which I assume is 256 and 16 M2)
about half
for ml can i take m2 air
Hey Alex. Thanks for the videos. I was wondering if you can run a test for us. A common setup is running Docker and web pack with some react or vue app. My 16” MacBook Pro i7 with 16 gb of ram turns on the fans with this setup. I wonder, how would a M2 MBA handle this? Also, I just found out there is a low power mode, can you test how it impacts performance? Thanks!
Yeah that would be great. Can you link me to the code repo with this setup?
Boy, it is swap. Open a bunch of web page in Chrome and then do your compile work. You may see the differences.
Hey Alex I work with virtual machines a lot, would you recommend me the M2 macbook air ? I was thinking of 16/512gb config ? It gets very close to 14inch macbook pro but i just can't spend anymore money at that point
You need a lot of ram for vms I don't think macbook it's the best option for this case, especially on Apple sillicon
Find a good deal on best buy
the 512/16gb 8C 14 GPU combo is going for $1749
with VMs this macbook air won’t cut it i’m afraid. get a macbook pro and with lots of ram 32 or more. AND make sure that your virtual machines have ARM versions of course
The m2 air with 512/16 is $1600
The macbook pro 14 with the m1 pro 8/14 on Bestbuy is going for $1749
$149 for better a brighter and faster refresh display, More cpu and gpu performance, better thermal performance ( it has a fan) , better speakers , better keyboard ( due to more travel) etc . . .
@@yusufdomun303 Except it's 0.8lbs heavier. If all you want is power, why even care about MBA?!? People buy MBA for portability and form factor (so thin!).
Also it's not really a fair comparison using refurbished products to brand new product recently introduced.
what is the software used to get temperatures ?
left a link in the description
@@AZisk TG Pro is great! Love how you can control the fans exactly to the way you want them ...
You could be Liam Neeson's stunt double.
I have a different set of special skills :)
I have a base M1 Mini....Whoa!....even after almost two years. I came from a 2008 Xeon Mac Pro and a 2014 iMac i7. I would love to have a base M2 MBA but I know I would not get the same performance leap between the M1 to M2 as the Intel Macs to the M1. The expectations surrounding M2 were just crazy unrealistic. 95% of Mac Users will go nuts over the base M2....really
The M1 Mini is probably the best M1 device (not including M1 Pro, Max and Ultra). With its design and cooling it is the best of the lower cost machines (non-Pro). Even now it holds up well to the M2 Macs, though I suspect when the M2 Mini arrives it will be a nice improvement, but for M1 Mini owners, probably not enough to upgrade (3nm will be that time).
The M2 MB Pro 13 can wipe the floor with the M1 MB Air in most tests, the fan and added performance as well as the media engines, make it a significantly better machine, despite the nonsense from Max Tech. Of course, you have to configure to your use, so 16GB of RAM for photo and video editing. Coding, I suspect RAM is far more important than storage speed, so 24GB is best.
It'll be interesting to see how fast the M2 Pro are compared t the M1 Pro.
I have both an M1 Mini and an M2 Air... and yeah. With the work I do the difference is negligible. No one with an M1 should be looking to upgrade -- these devices are for people who are switching from Intel Macs, not folks who already have Apple Silicon.
(I bought the M2 Air because I needed a portable machine for the road -- the M1 Mini is still my primary workhorse computer)
Yeah I’m not sure how expectations got out of whack. We went from a14 cores (m1) to a15 cores (m2). The a15 wasn’t a huge performance jump from the a14 and was mostly about efficiency.
@@chidorirasenganz indeed. People were amazed at the intel to M1 jump. The M2 was never going to be the same jump as intel to M1 performance increase.
TLDR M1 PRO 14"
TBH, if all you do is light development work ... MBA is perfect. Nowadays, you don't even need a beefy laptop to do your compiles. You can use it from the cloud and using github. It's not 1990s.
WebKit is 13GB?! Wow
Try a normal HDD instead of an SSD. there to Processor is waiting most of the time for the HDD.
does anyone have a spare hhd laying around ? 😂
What’s is the app to see the computer temps in the menu bar?
it’s tg pro. there is a link in the description
I like the Schwarzenegger
thank You,
clear, accurate, this is what i like from you.
Hitted that like button and the Abo button as well.
and yes, i can feel the pain ^^
Go on like this.
Kudos
Great vid Alex as always I'm not very astonished because all SDD have similar random access speed, but the tests were interesting
where can I buy this ? 1:02 ? lol
any hardware store :)
Alex - Again no c# test - Beginning to think you've got something against it?
Hello, I’m freelancer web developer. Php, sql, css.. sometimes easy video edits. Its new M2 air is good for me? 8gb ram or 16gb? Or Macbook pro 14”? Thanks
Okay, but can it emulate Pokémon Red? 😆
Hi Alex Pls I need a new Mac I am using the MacBook white 2010 and I don't have money to buy a New one if I can get one of the ones that you are not using I will be greatful I am into data science. Pls or anyone else who can help me 😭
Hi, I am planning to buy 512gb m2 macbook air for my college(btech). I would be using it for programming. Please let me know that would it throttle and would it get very hot as said by most of the youtubers. I am very confused. Please guide me.
Entertaining but unfair... Hahaha
That custom external ssd is 💩! 800?? Hahaha! 1900 is possible with wavlink ute02 and 2800 is possible with Thunderbolt4/USB4 from Orico.
Regression. Period. Price up.