In this situation it looks like he did help. I doubt he even asked her to do .for most men in this position to ask for this, It is conflicting, because it's like asking for a woman to do what we are suppose to do ourselves. Right or wrong is a lesser determination then our ideology of our societal purpose or nature.
Tre didn't like living with his father, so she was trying to use that as a consequence to get him to behave in school. The contract was to teach him accountability. Even though the parents are divorced, they still seem to be able to get along and respect each other.
A woman can not raise a male. What women do is raise her son or sons in what she wanted in the son or sons fathers. That's the part in the movie where the two brothers get into a fight mom smake doo. Then when Ricky gets killed she blame door when it was Ricky fault.
Reva did not abandon Trey. Her sending him to live with his father was more an effort to keep her son from falling victim to what we now call the school-to-prison pipeline. Trey was doing what most kids have done since the beginning, defending himself in a fight. His thought is likely along the line of "Mommy wouldn't understand...I HAD to fight." I think Reva's belief is that as a boy, Trey will be more likely to listen to his more authoritative father. If you recall how Reva's phone call went with the school official, she was assuming Reva was unemployed and that Trey was fatherless. Those presumptions would have set Trey up for trouble in the near future if his mother had not sent him to live with Furious.
That’s a great standpoint. And I agree in a situation as small as a fight, Trey at school got only a three day suspension but if you would’ve gotten into a fight like that in the streets considering the fact that he lives in a bad neighborhood he could’ve ended up beat up dead or in prison if it didn’t go well so with him living with furious furious could’ve probably gave him a better talk or understanding about getting into a fight because as a man furious has been in situation like that and he would be able to give him a better viewpoint coming from another man.
Or she could have just proved the teacher wrong what it seems like is she didn’t want to parent anymore using the excuse if she can’t teach him things that not a man can each another man but if he was already over his pops house his dad was in his life there was no reason sent him to a worse school pace to live isn’t caring about him
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My mom let my brother live with his father too it’s so common for mothers to send their son off to live with their fathers when they reach a certain age
I think the contract came about because Trey was consistently misbehaving at school. It didn’t seem like something that happened out of nowhere just to get him to live with his father.
I don't think Reva abandoned him, but did her best while he was with his father during the times that will be needed most as well. She used her time to better and advance herself while also giving him the different structure that was needed and better suited from his father. All fathers are not the same, in this case it was the right choice just based off of character alone.
I think it’s important to remember she wanted him back! Just like she said! She had a nice house and was begging him to come back and he didn’t want to. I always assumed he stopped going on weekends bc he was too caught up with his friends…. I also felt it was wrong of her to drop him off though, bc they both lived in the hood and he wasn’t really safe in either spot. What happened to Ricky could have easily happened to him!
As a mother to a son myself, I definitely agree that there are certain things that I as a woman cannot teach my son about manhood. I can try, but his father is the one who will teach him those things, and the one who he’ll mainly watch and follow. There’s a reason why there are some men who, though they love their mother dearly, end up listening and following their uncles, the older guy next door, etc. though they love mama love. Secondly, Trey’s mother was raising Trey in person for his first ten years. Through postpartum, etc. which is not exactly easy. You can also see that she raised him with discipline, hence the signed agreement that she had for him. Teaching him that if he breaks his word, there are consequences. Lastly, abandoning him would be her never speaking to him again and going on to live her life. Remember when a 17 year old Trey was speaking to her, and she told him that “weekends are supposed to be our time together.” Meaning that Trey was indeed still having a relationship with her. She raised him in childhood, and Furious raised him in young adulthood. The weight was shared equally.
young black males tend to respond better to black male authority figures, like their own fathers, or black male teachers no matter how much of a hard disciplinarian he might be. There's still that respect deep down.
i usually agree with the male opinion from you guys’ video but i have to disagree with him not supporting the idea of a man has to raise a man to be a man. a lot of black issues come from the lack of father figures in the home. single mother homes. i come from a single mother home and i had a dad but he wasnt in my life the way i wouldve liked during my growing and developmental years. im growing now and i see the complexities of the subject and how that lack of a male figure has affected me and i see how that affects others as well. i believe she made the right choice as a mother to send him to his father. it wasn’t abandonment. it was a wise decision and the results of the movie shows that
Thanks for sharing your thoughts. Here's something to consider. If you say that it "takes a man to raise a man", are you not a man if you were raised by a single mother with no man? Furthermore, by this logic if you are not a man because you weren't raised by a man, you couldn't raise a son to be a man either. This is why Heit disagrees with that statement. Ideally, both parents would be involved in rearing the children. Heit wasn't saying that fathers are unnecessary, or even that single motherhood is ideal. Hope this clarifies things for you. -Cheri
Think about it in this way, you need arms to drive a car, and legs to play soccer. Could you manage to drive a car with your feet, and play soccer with no legs, probably, but that wouldn't be recommended or the easiest way. Yes, single mother's raise boys successfully everyday, but too many urban, young Black males are missing male guidance, that doesn't take anything away from men who didn't grow up with one, but it's harder. A father is needed in a child's life, just as a mother is.
I don't get why it's so hard to comprehend that it takes a man to raise a man. The contract was her fighting against her better judgement. Not saying it's impossible, but my kids relate totally different to me than my wife. A 2 parent household is best, because a mom and dad bring 2 different things to the table. All she's realizing is that right now, my son needs the discipline a man can bring
Tre probably was put on punishment before for fighting and since he was getting too old to spank, a contract seemed the right option. Reva was teaching Tre about actions and consequences. If he continues to fight and cause trouble in school he would have carried this violent behavior into adulthood. But instead of staying with his father as punishment, it would be jail.
I also think about Dont Be A Menace lol when he asks “are you gunna come back for me?” She (Vivica Fox) says “sry bby you know it ain’t no positive black females in these movies” and it definitely opened my eyes how we are portrayed in those hood movies lol like even if she didn’t abandon him it could be painted like that and him as a young black man can feel like that also even if she had the best intentions
Honestly I think it was a co-parent decision for him to stay with his father for good. Which we need to see more in society without getting the court system involved especially with parents that no longer have intimate relationships with each other.
I'm 7 min in but the enitre contract thing has always seemed pretty straightforward to me. A person will have a multitude of things informing their decision, especially the big decisions and its not always some one thing neatly laid out to make a person look perfectly rational and consistent. Sometimes your thoughts willl SEEM jumbled or even contradictory, and thats all very human. I've always understood this part of the movie to mean: I am trying to raise you the best I can but your acting out is showing me that you need your daddy because maybe he is right that I can't raise a boy to be a man myself. So Tre doesn't want to go live with his daddy, so his mom says, okay let's give it one more shot, but you need to promise me you will behave, otherwise I am going to HAVE TO send you there. So let's make a deal, if you act up again, you will be going to live with your father (thus the contract was born). Now that Tre broke his promise, she has to make good on her word. It's not a punishment or a threat; it was just something she felt she must do.
I see it more as a consequence rather than a punishment. Maybe it's the same thing, but she didn't beat him or ground him. She followed up on the written agreement, so if it was a threat she followed up on it rather than saying," if you do it again I'm gonna tell your dad. "
Ricky being the exception, the way Doughboy and Tre grew up mirrors statistics when it comes to single mother homes vs single father homes. I believe early in life, full time mother is extremely important. Later, getting toward the teen years, having the father around is key. Not saying neither should be involved, and for sure having both is the best. But mom/dad play very different roles throughout the child's life.
How could people say she abandoned trey his mom asked trey to come live with her when she became successful but trey said no he wanted to stay with his father
I think that all the things can be true. She's getting her life together, and need her sons father to step up, and her son is breaking rules that leads to him going by his father. Raising children is complicated and the contract seems like a cool way to remind him of agreements he made.
She didn't abandon him. When he's older she said she wanted him to move back and they appeared to have shared custody based on the phone call and conversation later in the movie
Reba wasn't rich and Dad wasn't that broke. Trey didn't want for anything. As a mother Reba did best....a young boy should be raised by his father. Mothers can't teach a boy how to be a man, but they're father's can.
One thing that’s being forgotten is the time frame of the story, and the mentality of the parenting at the time. In the mid 80s and for years before and after that was the mindset that only the father could raise the boy to be a man. That’s the flawed thinking of the past.
My momma raised me on her own til I was 16 and then she met my stepfather. At that time I was already working a part time job and playing sports. I’m 20 now with a 1 year old daughter and me and her mother co-parent really well.
The contract, the contract, the contract LOL. In my opinion I think she made him sign the contract so he can learn to live up to keeping his word like a man/young man. They had an agreement, he didn't hold up his end so that's what happened. I don't think she abandoned him but her not "showing up" until he's about to graduate high school can make it look like she did.
I think Reva having the contract with Trey was a tool used for him to hold himself accountable for his actions at school. The contract acknowledged his behavior and he had once more chance to improve or there will be repercussions. Trey didn't want to stay with Furious because he knew that his dad was more strict than his mother and the stuff that he got away with with her wouldn't fly with his father. Ideally having both parents in the home is what's best for kids. That duality balances everything out.
She did the right thing. You can normally tell when a man didn’t have a father. Her saying teach him to be a man was deeper than the fights. Furious wanted to be a father interesting the female counter part was more understanding of a father being the primary provider. Contract was more about him learning to keep his word.
Both of Tre's parents lived in bad neighborhoods, and it could've easily been Tre being shot instead of Ricky, so even with both parental involvement doesnt guaranteed that children are better off. Overall, the message of the movie is that more fathers needs to be involved in the lives of their children because as we see in the film there's plenty of moms without the fathers being present.
One of my sister's Army friends had a son. Him and the mother of his child agreed that after their son graduated from 8th grade he would go live full time with his dad. To have everyday in house male role model figure!! It works for some people I suppose. But true fully in my opinion if the father of my son wanted our son to live with him during his High School years I would be in agreeance!!!
Tre had to move with his dad. His friend who he was walking to school with who he got into the fight in class, threatened him that his brothers are from Crenshaw Mafia and he was gonna shoot Tre in his face.
4:35 being a man is for 1 being under control of your emotions. That’s for certain what he means when he say “teach him to be a man” how to become reliable, logical, rational, & trustworthy. All from a man’s perspective. But I do think abandoned him because they could’ve been doing split parenting but instead she decided to dump him off with a contract she made the stipulations for when it got hard.
Reva knew she couldn't completely raise a boy to be a man. Knowing when boys are 12 they start getting closer to their fathers, ttheir father teach them how to navigate on being a man. And most fathers can navigate their sons to be a man.
I doubt she abandoned him. She knew that Tre being a child in the hood was becoming hardened in a bad way. She explained to him that she didn't want to see him as a victim of the hood. She felt there was certain things in life she couldn't teach him and knew that Furious was a good Father and would lead him to a good path. At that time she didn't have alot of money, and was in a violent area similar to the area Furious was in. Let's say that she continued working on herself while keeping Tre, there is no idea on how he would have turned out, he could have chosen a similar path as Doughboy. Also she knew Furious was no pushover and would have also physically protected Tre if needed be which she felt she probably couldn't. Fast forward to his late teen years and Tre clearly went down a good path was level headed and usually focused. I think the movies main message is if he didn't he would have either turned out like Doughboy in a life of crime or Ricky, a decent but unfocused and not street smart individual. She also didn't abandon him, she continued to call, send money and I'm guessing probably visited her at times.
As an 11-year-old, I was caught up in the dramatic acting moreso than the crtical analysis, especially with the restaurant scene. I looked at that scene with new eyes in another video and scrolled through hundreds of comments that helped me see both parents did their best by Tre.....but the mom was a social climber who kind of undercut the contributions the father brought to the table. Riva has every right to mommy her son, no matter his age, but don't belittle the father to make yourself feel better because you started "movin' on up." And let's be real, Furious wasn't broke...he just wasn't in the same tax bracket nor interested in upward mobility.
It happened to me my son living with me rn just graduated got a scholarship to college his mom just bought a house he havent moved in yet seems like she just waiting for him to go to college he been with me 9 years I can count on my hands how many times she gotten him etc I can go on
What you guys are not understanding is the contract was between the score the mother and a child because he has a pattern of violent behavior which means that he got expelled from the school district and he had to go live with her father and when she says, he needs to learn how to be a man, she means that he needs to learn how to make this better decisions, for when he becomes a young man
For me personally, I think the story was based on the conflicts Trey's understanding of the world and the conflicts of the views of the world from the those around especially the main characters in his life (father and his mother). Great video ❤
Whoa, why Furious get labeled as broke daddy? He did the bulk of the upbringing, with job and household. The story really doesn't include Riva much, well on camera .
We have to understand the contract is a "teaching" tool. Of course its not meant to be taken as a literal thing. That was her way of teaching accountability. Be a man of your word. Regardless of whether she thought of it all and still had intentions on sending him with his father.
it definitely wasnt abandonment. the plan in 84 changed over time, as by the time 91 rolled around, Tre wanted to live where he lived and wasn't the same 10 year old that wanted to stay with his mother. he went thru his coming of age with Furious, being taught certain things and having conversations he didnt have with his mother. He even answered the phone like his father. his best friends were across the street. She wasn't absent in his life, but it basically was shown that Tre just didnt want to come back and live with her by then.
I don’t think the “contract” was meant to be a punishment. I always assumed that Tre had displayed issues re: anger/conflict/etc in the past, and so: mom suggested that he move in with his dad and Tre protested. Instead of forcing him to move, mom (with the dad’s consent).
Why you keep going back to the contract? I'm sure she made the contract because he wasn't listening to her. And she had to go to the extreme by threatening to send him away to get her point across. And he did exactly what she didn't want him to do and broke the contract. Now Styles comes in primarily for discipline sake. Which we could see cuz his dad straightened him out when he got an attitude about raking up the leaves. Trey didn't say another word. But he would also teach him other things.
Why keep going back to the contract? Because the movie is about a boy who goes to live with his father and that is hinged on this contract between the boy and his mother.
This movie is a good example of why boys need fathers in the household! I don't care what anybody says the reason why Doughboy and Ricky got into the trouble that they got into is because they lack that proper male guidance! While it is not explicitly stated why Reva and furious broke up their relationship, I could probably tell you it was something that she did wrong and Furious couldn't take it anymore! Now, the best thing you can do is to put your ego aside when you are having children. The main lesson to be learned in all of these "hood movies” is that you cannot have it all there are some fantasies, dreams, aspirations, and goals that you're going to have to give up in order to survive. That's the reason why we have kids so they can pick up the torches that we unfortunately drop. Even with the best of planning, hard work and determination you're only going to make it so far! The best thing that Riva could have done is to get her life together before she had children!
22:55 when I think about this dialog, I didn't like it and gets why. When she says that Furious is doing what mothers have been doing since the end of time, I thought it was disingenuous and anecdotal. It's disingenuous because there is an implication that (black) men are inherently deadbeats who leave their kids to avoid fatherly responsibilities. As the movie implied, he always wanted his son, so (to me) this is her trying to relate to single mothers who choose the kind of men that led to them being single mothers. This leads to the anecdotal part of my argument: when you deprive a period of resources and economically castrate the men, thus disabling the ability to care for the family, you generate programs such as welfare and child support to compensate that. The problem with her commentary is that it perpetuates the notion that (Black) women pursue education to emasculate the men (hence why she told him what he did isn't special) when you literally have a generation (3 exactly) of men who collectively, don't know how to be men. That being said I appreciate the objective perspectives in this video.
Thanks for weighing in on this, And just as I said a few times in the video, it's complicated. 😊 Some of the dynamic between the parents is clearly why they didn't make it as a couple. I also think that Reva was defensive and had mixed feelings about turning her son over to his father for primary care. I think that's one reason she came at him like that... Also, because Furious told her flat out that she has missed her chance to mother a boy, since Tre was now a man in his eyes.
@@AxiomAmnesiamy bad, that’s what I meant I knew you guys were looking at both POVs of past comments , I was meaning as in me growing up with friends and family no one ever said that… I actually had to do the same thing but I was a little older when I moved with my dad but I understood why even at 13
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I think it’s also important to note that in the beginning of the 90s there was a significant resurgence of black nationalism. Farrakhan and the NOI were high in popularity and a lot of black folks like Furious were taking that mentality of building up our community through economics. The black upper and upper middle class had vacated and moved out to the suburbs or the nicer parts of the city which is probably what Reeva did as soon as she got her MS and a high paying job. So Furious could probably find a high paying job at a mortgage company but that would go against everything he politically believes.
It seems like reeva was a narcissist and he made her look bad by the teacher I mean legit think about the fight he got it a fight because he had a daddy the teacher straight up goes to the “your a single parent” route her ego was hurt and that’s what that phone call scene was about notice how she as a parent never asked what he did how the fight started just started to defend herself it imma just say this she definitely didn’t care that much to leave him in that place more than the weekends smh
I just finished the Colin Kaepernick series and i cant get over how emotional it was. We’re literally the same age and had very similar experiences but his family were a support group. Even though they didn’t understand his plight. I didn’t have that but it reminded me of when I was on the basketball team and I didn’t follow through because I dealt with similar things but didn’t have a support system. I was in a PWS and it felt like black and white people were against me. Black people didn’t know what I was. And being in the system I really understood what it felt like to never be the first choice. But I never went to school functions. I was perceived as popular because I was cool with everyone but friends with no one. I really related to the Time Capsule of music a how his friend kept ditching him because they wanted better for him. In addition to how he felt passed over by a certain type of person and expecting rejection based on your appearance and not your merit. It was impactful when he said, “To the underestimated, the overlooked, and the outcasted, trust your power.” I felt like I was looking in the mirror the entire series. Thank you Heit and Chéri for mentioning the mini series. This film is what I needed in my like to remember who I am despite having no sense of community.❤ I love you guys. Thank you for making feel less alone in the world for reviewing movies. I love movies and it feels good to have another perspective than just me deep diving movies. People don’t understand and say I think too deep into films. But I guess this is my passion. I am so thankful for you both.
I believe The"Agreement" as far as him signing it was A way of HOLDING HIM ACCOUNTABLE 4 HIS CHOICES & HIM 👀 THAT CONSEQUENCES R REAL‼️❗️. WHO KNOWS WHAT STRICT CONSEQUENCES FURIOUS HOLDS. 4 TREY When he does wrong.
Thanks for the overall breakdown of such a classic movie towards the african American community... Case in point beyond all measurements that parents are the combination of two individual pairings that have to pour into their children🔁🕛🪞
I may be late in see this post, but Reva didn't leave Trey. The contact was something in place because had been in trouble in school on multiple occasions. All they did was change which parent had primary custody of Trey. I believe the Trey would have seen his mother on his weekends and vacation. Furious was also choosing to live in this neighborhood. He didn't want to abandon the hood.
I didnt see any abandonment from Reba once she lets Tre live with Furious. All this was is one parent deciding to be the child's primary parent and both as single parents were involved in Tre's life which should be the blueprint on how to raise children when the parents are divorced. However in real life Furious or Reba probably wouldve gotten involved and perhaps remarried which is another dynamic dealing with step parents.
Whoever said riva abandoned tre clearly didnt watch the movie....the agreement was for tre to not get into trouble ...he does that he stays with her but he broke the agreement by fighting on several occasions which is why he was sent to furious. Second its sad we live in a one sided society that doesn't value fathers and are used to mothers running everything that a son cant live with his dad without folks saying the mom abandoned him smh
I'm pausing this about nine minutes in, just to address the thing about the contract. Hell, maybe all three of them signed! You know, it sure seems like everyone is on the same page about the consequences. We don't see a lot of the co-parenting going on, but from the conversations we do see between Furious and Reva... I could believe that the parent currently acting as primary caretaker is still giving the other one updates. :)
Parents double talk all the time. She thought she could handle him alone, she could at a point when kids do what you say because they're little. But Tre got older and it's not as easy to control\handle kids, not just boys. This is the benefit of a 2 parent home. There would be balance, even if neither is perfect(none are). She thought she was able to be a better parent to Tre than Furious could be when neither is better and a combination of both is best.
Lol I feel like the way Doughboy mom was after Furious , doughboy would’ve been the one with his baby mama and kid living in the house. She was treating Ricky like royalty which made me believe she liked his dad more than whoever doughboy father was. Furious would’ve had dough head straight even across the street
Super late to the party, but it was implied that Reva was around heavily. Reva's call in that one scene, proved it. The way Furious talked to her on the phone and the way he passed the phone to Tre, shows in my opinion that she speaks and sees her son very often. Then the conversation between Reva and Tre about him moving back, it seemed like a very much had all the time conversation. Then even the conversation between Reva and Furious when they met up, again about Tre coming back with her, seemed like a conversation that was had all the time. So Idk how ppl think Reva just abandoned her son. Plus the way the movie was set up, this was a movie about a young man getting in trouble and going to live with his father. This was not a story about how Reva is raising Tre; it was about Furious raising Tre. So of course we wasn't gonna seetoo much of Reva, especially considering Reva and Furious were not even together. Even through, I think Furious wanted that old thing back. Lmfao..
With the contract, I do not believe she thought he would break the contract. She had no intention of enforcing. But when he violated it, she was forced to enforce it based upon her values and her own example she was setting. Which is why she was still trying to get him back to live with her. Also, I think we know its not just about a man raising a boy. It's about a good man with his situation together raising the boy. She would not have given the boy to Furious if he was a weak father. She thought she could do a better job than Furious. Another reason she was upset is because of the fact that she was failing. She begrudgingly told Furious he was right. She did it and she did it at the right age as well. She was at the tail end of being able to control him. In two years, he would have been Dough Boy. An intelligent thug in and out of juvie and eventually, jail and prison.
Several comments, One: I think we have to look at the timing of when this was made. In the early 90s there was this massive push of black male accountability specifically surrounding lack of fatherhood and this perceived correlation to street violence and poor decision making from young black men. The Furious character was suppose to represent that strong disciplinarian force that many older black people at the time, thought was missing in the community. Whether we agree or disagree, the idea was that woman/mother can’t administer the “necessary” discipline and order that a man can give to a son. It’s the old “ when daddy speaks you listen “ mentality. It’s why as soon as mom leaves the chores start. And the behavior correction begins to happen. The older black community revered this style of parenting.
They sure did. Yet, a lot of 70s-80s babies got that dealt to them through a "strong black" single mother instead. Maybe depending on the region the child was reared or the specific type of mother, but sometimes the mother was successful (for lack of a better word) in reaching the young boy the way a father might.....other times the situation turned out like Riva's.
His father was about building the community and was against selling their house because of the idea of ppl buying black ppl houses for cheap moving all the black ppl out and making money off their community
Furious was about 34 -35yo I'm assuming he got Tre when he was about 10-11 and since it's seven years later and tre was a senior in hs (17/18 yo) probably 18 since his dad referred to Tre as "grown".
Could it be Rita gave Furious a chance to fulfill his dreams he chose Army so she was the primart parent then it was time for Rita to fulfill her dreams her Masters so now Furious has to get the kid... but seems she checked out & didnt get him as much
Dreamed to go to Vietnam? If Trey was 17 his dad was 17 when he was born. The timeline for Vietnam would make Furious join at the height of an unpopular War.
15:56 yes furious abandoned trey at first too they both low key didn’t want to be involved with the kid fr notice furious was having a good ole time when trey wasn’t there and got bitter when he had to be the full time parent remember Ricky mom asked why he didn’t come over and get drunk and play cards with them anymore trey didn’t have a chance to begin with yo and we fast forward to trey being an young adult furious and him if anything are roommates and he’s like a older brother and now the mom wants her baby back but she forgets that she made her baby leave over a contract
How do you abandon some one you see on the weekend? You can clearly see that his father was teaching him history and life lessons right from the start. Trey has to recite five lesson principles before he ask why he has to clean while his father doesn't
In theory the contract was just a way to explain to the audience why Tre is going to live with his father! Tre ran all over Reva bc she was at work/school. Furious is the disciplinarian overall. The agreement was really between Furious and Reva. Tre is a child so initially he really has no say so. Not to mention Reva raising Tre in her neighborhood was dangerous.
Your description of them being a “Crew” @ 28:40 is slightly misleading. Furious made a home for himself & Furious III (Tre) in LA. There are no clear indications of what the street numbers are. Being inspired by Singleton’s own life story, I’m assuming the neighborhood is located near USC. Probably the 30s, 40s, 50s, or 60’s on the west side of LA. You don’t hear of “crews” as you would back east. You’ll mainly hear of cliques aligned along neighborhood boundaries. These neighborhoods are claimed by a gang. the set/gang/hood are synonymous. In some hoods, you don’t have to be criminally active, some are just guys from the hood who defend the set/neighborhood. Reva on the other hand lived in the ghetto. One of Tre’s classmates repped Crenshaw Mafia. It’s hella active over there. That area is dominated by a gang. Not a neighborhood gang. Both areas are dangerous but Tre’s chances around the CM were drastically slim compared to Exposition Park near USC. gang activity aside Furious lived in a neighborhood of home owners. In the 90s families were 3 generations in as homeowners. Reva lived around renters, section 8, and an active stretch of Crenshaw BLVD. Tre was down with clique on his block same as Ricky. Neighborhood thing. Everybody else were active members of the gang claiming the hood as a whole. Dope breakdown though. Co-Parent life’s what I. I stand behind my SM in all things. We even have the same arraignment. We split after his first bday, and divided the week. I got the front end (S,M,T) she took the back end (T,F,S). Wednesday was his travel day between homes. S/S we’re interchangeable depending on our schedules for the second travel day. When he entered Kindergarten I accepted 3 weekends a month, along with any afternoon I could get off early enough to pick him up from school then drop him off bathed fed and clean before 8pm. He’s 8 currently, but when he enters 7th grade, he’s coming with me to live. #FuriousFathersFederation - Founded in 1990 by Furious Styles, II (CEO/COO)
Thanks for your comment. I think you read entirely too much into the word "crew" here. In this context, the word is interchangeable with the word "group"... That is to say that Tre and the people he hung around are viewed as part of the same group.
Way too deep. This is very simple. Obviously Trey mom had been trying to discipline him. It was not working because he keeps getting in disputes. So as a last ditch effort she creates this contract to accountability. 1. teach her son about honoring agreements. 2. she probably started to understand and realize that Ferious maybe right . There are certain lessons that can only be taught by a Father. 4. Trey probably didn't want to go because he knew that his Father was going to be more disciplined in his parenting. Hence the very first thing you see is Ferious assigning chore and setting the standards for the home. Trey was most likely taking advantage of his mom's busy life. 5. Of course she wants to have her son comeback it's her son. Her whole motivation for getting that master's was most likely to create a better life for him. It worked two fold he gets the discipline he needs from his father and she can focus on completing her education. It doesn't mean she is out of his life. Why is this so hard to understand. Like I said all these things can be true.
To be fair legally that was a contract that trey signed. Yes he is a kid and yes im sure he had no choice signing it or anything to do with negotiation. On the side of law its a contract. Even if it was in a piece of tissue its still a signed agreement of sorts which at the end of the day is a contract lol. Also multiple things can be true at the same time. Clearly Trey was having behavioral problems in school so i think the contract was to hold up accountability in a way bc thats something he dnt not want to do was live with his dad. Then on top of that by him getting in trouble at school Reva is realizing that what Furious had been telling her it takes a man to raise a man is coming to fruition bc her way of discipline wasn't working anymore. Then by sending Trey to live with his dad she can fully focus on school and getting a better job so that when he does potentially come back they can have a better life than when he left. Sometimes it takes multiple avenues to get to a destination. I also think that part of the reason she sent him is bc he needed to learn some type of responsibility and how to carry himself that sometimes only a man can teach his son like how to move in the world in this case as a black man in America.
Do you think that Furious and Reva paid each other child support when the other parent had the child living with them?
No because he didn't trust the system
Not legally. Furious probably gave $ if Reba asked..and she helped buy Tre clothes,and maybe helped him get his car.
I think Furious helped her financially, but probably refused her trying to help him.
In this situation it looks like he did help.
I doubt he even asked her to do .for most men in this position to ask for this, It is conflicting, because it's like asking for a woman to do what we are suppose to do ourselves.
Right or wrong is a lesser determination then our ideology of our societal purpose or nature.
No. They both seemed to be responsible and didn't need to go through the system to take care of Trey
I don't think she abandoned him , I believe she did the right thing as in letting his father teach him certain things only his father could teach him
Tre didn't like living with his father, so she was trying to use that as a consequence to get him to behave in school. The contract was to teach him accountability. Even though the parents are divorced, they still seem to be able to get along and respect each other.
@@thesolutiondude793 How’s Sway? What movie did you watch..😂
. Did you not watch the begging 5mins of this video? Let alone the whole movie.
I’m just going to let the other commenters drag you.
He’s missing the whole point yes, she can raise a boy, but you can’t teach him how to be a man, so that’s why she say Trey to go live with the father
Yeah I didn't get his whole deal with this.
A woman can not raise a male. What women do is raise her son or sons in what she wanted in the son or sons fathers. That's the part in the movie where the two brothers get into a fight mom smake doo. Then when Ricky gets killed she blame door when it was Ricky fault.
Reva did not abandon Trey. Her sending him to live with his father was more an effort to keep her son from falling victim to what we now call the school-to-prison pipeline. Trey was doing what most kids have done since the beginning, defending himself in a fight. His thought is likely along the line of "Mommy wouldn't understand...I HAD to fight." I think Reva's belief is that as a boy, Trey will be more likely to listen to his more authoritative father.
If you recall how Reva's phone call went with the school official, she was assuming Reva was unemployed and that Trey was fatherless. Those presumptions would have set Trey up for trouble in the near future if his mother had not sent him to live with Furious.
Furious feels Trey is grown at 17-18 b/c he went to war at that age.
That’s a great standpoint. And I agree in a situation as small as a fight, Trey at school got only a three day suspension but if you would’ve gotten into a fight like that in the streets considering the fact that he lives in a bad neighborhood he could’ve ended up beat up dead or in prison if it didn’t go well so with him living with furious furious could’ve probably gave him a better talk or understanding about getting into a fight because as a man furious has been in situation like that and he would be able to give him a better viewpoint coming from another man.
Or she could have just proved the teacher wrong what it seems like is she didn’t want to parent anymore using the excuse if she can’t teach him things that not a man can each another man but if he was already over his pops house his dad was in his life there was no reason sent him to a worse school pace to live isn’t caring about him
His daddy wasn't poor, he had his own house, he paid the bills, and took care of his son.
I don't think anyone said he was "poor" or didn't pay the bills, or didn't take care of his son. But even if he was poor, so what?
@@AxiomAmnesia I'm just following the title.
@@AxiomAmnesia I probably should have put broke instead of poor
@Louis Mcbath, exactly the title says, "Broke daddy."
Louis and Galen, I wanted to explain to both of you more about the title, and it was easier to record it than to type as much as I had to say. Please listen here for my direct answer to both of you about the title: voca.ro/163Djss2rFFL
Trey was intelligent enough to understand what he was signing.
My mom let my brother live with his father too it’s so common for mothers to send their son off to live with their fathers when they reach a certain age
I think the contract came about because Trey was consistently misbehaving at school. It didn’t seem like something that happened out of nowhere just to get him to live with his father.
I don't think Reva abandoned him, but did her best while he was with his father during the times that will be needed most as well. She used her time to better and advance herself while also giving him the different structure that was needed and better suited from his father.
All fathers are not the same, in this case it was the right choice just based off of character alone.
I think it’s important to remember she wanted him back! Just like she said! She had a nice house and was begging him to come back and he didn’t want to. I always assumed he stopped going on weekends bc he was too caught up with his friends…. I also felt it was wrong of her to drop him off though, bc they both lived in the hood and he wasn’t really safe in either spot. What happened to Ricky could have easily happened to him!
She did the right thing by making him go live with his dad
His dad didn't play
As a mother to a son myself, I definitely agree that there are certain things that I as a woman cannot teach my son about manhood. I can try, but his father is the one who will teach him those things, and the one who he’ll mainly watch and follow. There’s a reason why there are some men who, though they love their mother dearly, end up listening and following their uncles, the older guy next door, etc. though they love mama love.
Secondly, Trey’s mother was raising Trey in person for his first ten years. Through postpartum, etc. which is not exactly easy.
You can also see that she raised him with discipline, hence the signed agreement that she had for him. Teaching him that if he breaks his word, there are consequences.
Lastly, abandoning him would be her never speaking to him again and going on to live her life. Remember when a 17 year old Trey was speaking to her, and she told him that “weekends are supposed to be our time together.” Meaning that Trey was indeed still having a relationship with her. She raised him in childhood, and Furious raised him in young adulthood. The weight was shared equally.
If she was a man this would be considered abandonment sorry but you know I’m right made him sign a contract smh she wanted more time for her self
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young black males tend to respond better to black male authority figures, like their own fathers, or black male teachers no matter how much of a hard disciplinarian he might be. There's still that respect deep down.
i usually agree with the male opinion from you guys’ video but i have to disagree with him not supporting the idea of a man has to raise a man to be a man. a lot of black issues come from the lack of father figures in the home. single mother homes. i come from a single mother home and i had a dad but he wasnt in my life the way i wouldve liked during my growing and developmental years. im growing now and i see the complexities of the subject and how that lack of a male figure has affected me and i see how that affects others as well. i believe she made the right choice as a mother to send him to his father. it wasn’t abandonment. it was a wise decision and the results of the movie shows that
Thanks for sharing your thoughts. Here's something to consider. If you say that it "takes a man to raise a man", are you not a man if you were raised by a single mother with no man? Furthermore, by this logic if you are not a man because you weren't raised by a man, you couldn't raise a son to be a man either. This is why Heit disagrees with that statement.
Ideally, both parents would be involved in rearing the children. Heit wasn't saying that fathers are unnecessary, or even that single motherhood is ideal. Hope this clarifies things for you. -Cheri
Think about it in this way, you need arms to drive a car, and legs to play soccer. Could you manage to drive a car with your feet, and play soccer with no legs, probably, but that wouldn't be recommended or the easiest way. Yes, single mother's raise boys successfully everyday, but too many urban, young Black males are missing male guidance, that doesn't take anything away from men who didn't grow up with one, but it's harder. A father is needed in a child's life, just as a mother is.
I don't get why it's so hard to comprehend that it takes a man to raise a man. The contract was her fighting against her better judgement. Not saying it's impossible, but my kids relate totally different to me than my wife. A 2 parent household is best, because a mom and dad bring 2 different things to the table. All she's realizing is that right now, my son needs the discipline a man can bring
Tre probably was put on punishment before for fighting and since he was getting too old to spank, a contract seemed the right option. Reva was teaching Tre about actions and consequences. If he continues to fight and cause trouble in school he would have carried this violent behavior into adulthood. But instead of staying with his father as punishment, it would be jail.
I also think about Dont Be A Menace lol when he asks “are you gunna come back for me?” She (Vivica Fox) says “sry bby you know it ain’t no positive black females in these movies” and it definitely opened my eyes how we are portrayed in those hood movies lol like even if she didn’t abandon him it could be painted like that and him as a young black man can feel like that also even if she had the best intentions
Honestly I think it was a co-parent decision for him to stay with his father for good. Which we need to see more in society without getting the court system involved especially with parents that no longer have intimate relationships with each other.
It was not a punishment. She felt like she couldn't control him. Being a man is not reacting to every situation emotionally
I'm 7 min in but the enitre contract thing has always seemed pretty straightforward to me. A person will have a multitude of things informing their decision, especially the big decisions and its not always some one thing neatly laid out to make a person look perfectly rational and consistent. Sometimes your thoughts willl SEEM jumbled or even contradictory, and thats all very human. I've always understood this part of the movie to mean: I am trying to raise you the best I can but your acting out is showing me that you need your daddy because maybe he is right that I can't raise a boy to be a man myself. So Tre doesn't want to go live with his daddy, so his mom says, okay let's give it one more shot, but you need to promise me you will behave, otherwise I am going to HAVE TO send you there. So let's make a deal, if you act up again, you will be going to live with your father (thus the contract was born). Now that Tre broke his promise, she has to make good on her word. It's not a punishment or a threat; it was just something she felt she must do.
I see it more as a consequence rather than a punishment. Maybe it's the same thing, but she didn't beat him or ground him. She followed up on the written agreement, so if it was a threat she followed up on it rather than saying," if you do it again I'm gonna tell your dad. "
Tre didn't want to go. She gave him another chance with the contract
Ricky being the exception, the way Doughboy and Tre grew up mirrors statistics when it comes to single mother homes vs single father homes.
I believe early in life, full time mother is extremely important. Later, getting toward the teen years, having the father around is key. Not saying neither should be involved, and for sure having both is the best. But mom/dad play very different roles throughout the child's life.
Love this comment
Ike & Tina Turner became parents then tina drops off tre to pursue her degree
I just realized what you said...no wonder they had great chemistry in the other movie.😂😂😂
How could people say she abandoned trey his mom asked trey to come live with her when she became successful but trey said no he wanted to stay with his father
It’s most likely projection on their part or u have those ppl that want to demonize the mother for everything
I think that all the things can be true. She's getting her life together, and need her sons father to step up, and her son is breaking rules that leads to him going by his father. Raising children is complicated and the contract seems like a cool way to remind him of agreements he made.
She didn't abandon him. When he's older she said she wanted him to move back and they appeared to have shared custody based on the phone call and conversation later in the movie
Reba wasn't rich and Dad wasn't that broke. Trey didn't want for anything. As a mother Reba did best....a young boy should be raised by his father. Mothers can't teach a boy how to be a man, but they're father's can.
One thing that’s being forgotten is the time frame of the story, and the mentality of the parenting at the time. In the mid 80s and for years before and after that was the mindset that only the father could raise the boy to be a man.
That’s the flawed thinking of the past.
My momma raised me on her own til I was 16 and then she met my stepfather. At that time I was already working a part time job and playing sports. I’m 20 now with a 1 year old daughter and me and her mother co-parent really well.
Teaching him how to be a man just mean. Teach him not all problems can be solved with violence. Notice when he grew up he used his mind
She did what was right Trey was getting to that age where he needed a man to teach and guide him. He can teach him things she can’t….
The contract, the contract, the contract LOL. In my opinion I think she made him sign the contract so he can learn to live up to keeping his word like a man/young man. They had an agreement, he didn't hold up his end so that's what happened. I don't think she abandoned him but her not "showing up" until he's about to graduate high school can make it look like she did.
I think Reva having the contract with Trey was a tool used for him to hold himself accountable for his actions at school. The contract acknowledged his behavior and he had once more chance to improve or there will be repercussions. Trey didn't want to stay with Furious because he knew that his dad was more strict than his mother and the stuff that he got away with with her wouldn't fly with his father.
Ideally having both parents in the home is what's best for kids. That duality balances everything out.
She did the right thing. You can normally tell when a man didn’t have a father. Her saying teach him to be a man was deeper than the fights. Furious wanted to be a father interesting the female counter part was more understanding of a father being the primary provider. Contract was more about him learning to keep his word.
Both of Tre's parents lived in bad neighborhoods, and it could've easily been Tre being shot instead of Ricky, so even with both parental involvement doesnt guaranteed that children are better off. Overall, the message of the movie is that more fathers needs to be involved in the lives of their children because as we see in the film there's plenty of moms without the fathers being present.
One of my sister's Army friends had a son. Him and the mother of his child agreed that after their son graduated from 8th grade he would go live full time with his dad. To have everyday in house male role model figure!! It works for some people I suppose. But true fully in my opinion if the father of my son wanted our son to live with him during his High School years I would be in agreeance!!!
I want all the mothers in the chat that disagree with Reva understand this...with a guy like furious it's stuff Reva just couldn't teach trey
Tre had to move with his dad. His friend who he was walking to school with who he got into the fight in class, threatened him that his brothers are from Crenshaw Mafia and he was gonna shoot Tre in his face.
4:35 being a man is for 1 being under control of your emotions. That’s for certain what he means when he say “teach him to be a man” how to become reliable, logical, rational, & trustworthy. All from a man’s perspective. But I do think abandoned him because they could’ve been doing split parenting but instead she decided to dump him off with a contract she made the stipulations for when it got hard.
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The mother from crooklyn is my mother, my aunts, my older cousins and the mothers that I grew up with in my neighborhood.
Reva knew she couldn't completely raise a boy to be a man. Knowing when boys are 12 they start getting closer to their fathers, ttheir father teach them how to navigate on being a man. And most fathers can navigate their sons to be a man.
I doubt she abandoned him. She knew that Tre being a child in the hood was becoming hardened in a bad way. She explained to him that she didn't want to see him as a victim of the hood. She felt there was certain things in life she couldn't teach him and knew that Furious was a good Father and would lead him to a good path. At that time she didn't have alot of money, and was in a violent area similar to the area Furious was in. Let's say that she continued working on herself while keeping Tre, there is no idea on how he would have turned out, he could have chosen a similar path as Doughboy. Also she knew Furious was no pushover and would have also physically protected Tre if needed be which she felt she probably couldn't.
Fast forward to his late teen years and Tre clearly went down a good path was level headed and usually focused. I think the movies main message is if he didn't he would have either turned out like Doughboy in a life of crime or Ricky, a decent but unfocused and not street smart individual.
She also didn't abandon him, she continued to call, send money and I'm guessing probably visited her at times.
As an 11-year-old, I was caught up in the dramatic acting moreso than the crtical analysis, especially with the restaurant scene. I looked at that scene with new eyes in another video and scrolled through hundreds of comments that helped me see both parents did their best by Tre.....but the mom was a social climber who kind of undercut the contributions the father brought to the table. Riva has every right to mommy her son, no matter his age, but don't belittle the father to make yourself feel better because you started "movin' on up." And let's be real, Furious wasn't broke...he just wasn't in the same tax bracket nor interested in upward mobility.
Not rich bro, she was just working n had little money coming in..but differently NOT RICH
How you can abandon a child that you raised for 10 solid years is beyond me.
It happened to me my son living with me rn just graduated got a scholarship to college his mom just bought a house he havent moved in yet seems like she just waiting for him to go to college he been with me 9 years I can count on my hands how many times she gotten him etc I can go on
What you guys are not understanding is the contract was between the score the mother and a child because he has a pattern of violent behavior which means that he got expelled from the school district and he had to go live with her father and when she says, he needs to learn how to be a man, she means that he needs to learn how to make this better decisions, for when he becomes a young man
I never understood why the dad didn’t send him back once the mom started living it up him being 17 or not they were is a gang filled neighborhood
For me personally, I think the story was based on the conflicts Trey's understanding of the world and the conflicts of the views of the world from the those around especially the main characters in his life (father and his mother).
Great video ❤
This was the best Fishbourne performance we ever saw together with the Turners-movie
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Reva or Furious Abandoned Trey. It was great co-parenting. Trey began to outgrow Reva as he got older.
Whoa, why Furious get labeled as broke daddy? He did the bulk of the upbringing, with job and household. The story really doesn't include Riva much, well on camera .
It's a question of whether this was the dynamic or not. We discuss this extensively in the video.
He was still spending time with his mom too
We have to understand the contract is a "teaching" tool. Of course its not meant to be taken as a literal thing. That was her way of teaching accountability. Be a man of your word. Regardless of whether she thought of it all and still had intentions on sending him with his father.
That was a given, but we were discussing more than just the obvious. Clearly it was part a lesson Reva was teaching...
it definitely wasnt abandonment. the plan in 84 changed over time, as by the time 91 rolled around, Tre wanted to live where he lived and wasn't the same 10 year old that wanted to stay with his mother. he went thru his coming of age with Furious, being taught certain things and having conversations he didnt have with his mother. He even answered the phone like his father. his best friends were across the street. She wasn't absent in his life, but it basically was shown that Tre just didnt want to come back and live with her by then.
Mr fishburn was cute young in this..
The way I took it is she's basically saying, "I messed up our kid, take him for a bit and fix him, then when he's fixed I'll take him back."
The contract was to teach the boy accountablity. He probably signed the contract to get out of punishment.
Hence this notion that he was compelled to sign the contract and he didn't really have a choice...
I don’t think the “contract” was meant to be a punishment.
I always assumed that Tre had displayed issues re: anger/conflict/etc in the past, and so:
mom suggested that he move in with his dad and Tre protested. Instead of forcing him to move, mom (with the dad’s consent).
Why you keep going back to the contract? I'm sure she made the contract because he wasn't listening to her. And she had to go to the extreme by threatening to send him away to get her point across. And he did exactly what she didn't want him to do and broke the contract. Now Styles comes in primarily for discipline sake. Which we could see cuz his dad straightened him out when he got an attitude about raking up the leaves. Trey didn't say another word. But he would also teach him other things.
Why keep going back to the contract? Because the movie is about a boy who goes to live with his father and that is hinged on this contract between the boy and his mother.
This movie is a good example of why boys need fathers in the household! I don't care what anybody says the reason why Doughboy and Ricky got into the trouble that they got into is because they lack that proper male guidance! While it is not explicitly stated why Reva and furious broke up their relationship, I could probably tell you it was something that she did wrong and Furious couldn't take it anymore! Now, the best thing you can do is to put your ego aside when you are having children. The main lesson to be learned in all of these "hood movies” is that you cannot have it all there are some fantasies, dreams, aspirations, and goals that you're going to have to give up in order to survive. That's the reason why we have kids so they can pick up the torches that we unfortunately drop. Even with the best of planning, hard work and determination you're only going to make it so far! The best thing that Riva could have done is to get her life together before she had children!
they both loved him it takes two to raise a kid divorced or not
22:55 when I think about this dialog, I didn't like it and gets why. When she says that Furious is doing what mothers have been doing since the end of time, I thought it was disingenuous and anecdotal. It's disingenuous because there is an implication that (black) men are inherently deadbeats who leave their kids to avoid fatherly responsibilities. As the movie implied, he always wanted his son, so (to me) this is her trying to relate to single mothers who choose the kind of men that led to them being single mothers. This leads to the anecdotal part of my argument: when you deprive a period of resources and economically castrate the men, thus disabling the ability to care for the family, you generate programs such as welfare and child support to compensate that. The problem with her commentary is that it perpetuates the notion that (Black) women pursue education to emasculate the men (hence why she told him what he did isn't special) when you literally have a generation (3 exactly) of men who collectively, don't know how to be men. That being said I appreciate the objective perspectives in this video.
Thanks for weighing in on this, And just as I said a few times in the video, it's complicated. 😊
Some of the dynamic between the parents is clearly why they didn't make it as a couple. I also think that Reva was defensive and had mixed feelings about turning her son over to his father for primary care. I think that's one reason she came at him like that... Also, because Furious told her flat out that she has missed her chance to mother a boy, since Tre was now a man in his eyes.
I never heard anyone think she abandoned him, I think most understand why she did this
We don't think she abandoned him, but there were comments saying this on one of our previous videos about Boyz N The Hood.
@@AxiomAmnesiamy bad, that’s what I meant
I knew you guys were looking at both POVs of past comments , I was meaning as in me growing up with friends and family no one ever said that… I actually had to do the same thing but I was a little older when I moved with my dad but I understood why even at 13
Oh I didn't take it that way, I just wanted you to know where we got the idea 😊
@@AxiomAmnesiaI’ve been sharing y’all videos like crazy the like few days, my family and friends really like y’all’s mind and all these theories and conspiracies… it’s pretty addicting honestly 😂
He turned out good enough to get OUT of the car
I think it’s also important to note that in the beginning of the 90s there was a significant resurgence of black nationalism. Farrakhan and the NOI were high in popularity and a lot of black folks like Furious were taking that mentality of building up our community through economics. The black upper and upper middle class had vacated and moved out to the suburbs or the nicer parts of the city which is probably what Reeva did as soon as she got her MS and a high paying job. So Furious could probably find a high paying job at a mortgage company but that would go against everything he politically believes.
We actually discussed that in depth in the South Central video.
It seems like reeva was a narcissist and he made her look bad by the teacher I mean legit think about the fight he got it a fight because he had a daddy the teacher straight up goes to the “your a single parent” route her ego was hurt and that’s what that phone call scene was about notice how she as a parent never asked what he did how the fight started just started to defend herself it imma just say this she definitely didn’t care that much to leave him in that place more than the weekends smh
I just finished the Colin Kaepernick series and i cant get over how emotional it was. We’re literally the same age and had very similar experiences but his family were a support group. Even though they didn’t understand his plight. I didn’t have that but it reminded me of when I was on the basketball team and I didn’t follow through because I dealt with similar things but didn’t have a support system. I was in a PWS and it felt like black and white people were against me. Black people didn’t know what I was. And being in the system I really understood what it felt like to never be the first choice. But I never went to school functions. I was perceived as popular because I was cool with everyone but friends with no one. I really related to the Time Capsule of music a how his friend kept ditching him because they wanted better for him. In addition to how he felt passed over by a certain type of person and expecting rejection based on your appearance and not your merit. It was impactful when he said, “To the underestimated, the overlooked, and the outcasted, trust your power.” I felt like I was looking in the mirror the entire series. Thank you Heit and Chéri for mentioning the mini series. This film is what I needed in my like to remember who I am despite having no sense of community.❤ I love you guys. Thank you for making feel less alone in the world for reviewing movies. I love movies and it feels good to have another perspective than just me deep diving movies. People don’t understand and say I think too deep into films. But I guess this is my passion. I am so thankful for you both.
I believe The"Agreement" as far as him signing it was A way of HOLDING HIM ACCOUNTABLE 4 HIS CHOICES & HIM 👀 THAT CONSEQUENCES R REAL‼️❗️.
WHO KNOWS WHAT STRICT CONSEQUENCES FURIOUS HOLDS. 4 TREY When he does wrong.
Thanks for the overall breakdown of such a classic movie towards the african American community... Case in point beyond all measurements that parents are the combination of two individual pairings that have to pour into their children🔁🕛🪞
I may be late in see this post, but Reva didn't leave Trey. The contact was something in place because had been in trouble in school on multiple occasions. All they did was change which parent had primary custody of Trey. I believe the Trey would have seen his mother on his weekends and vacation. Furious was also choosing to live in this neighborhood. He didn't want to abandon the hood.
That was a sacrifice that had to happen
I didnt see any abandonment from Reba once she lets Tre live with Furious. All this was is one parent deciding to be the child's primary parent and both as single parents were involved in Tre's life which should be the blueprint on how to raise children when the parents are divorced. However in real life Furious or Reba probably wouldve gotten involved and perhaps remarried which is another dynamic dealing with step parents.
Flying off the handle like he did in class is considered feminine and his mom was seeing that
I would think fighting would be considered masculine...
Whoever said riva abandoned tre clearly didnt watch the movie....the agreement was for tre to not get into trouble ...he does that he stays with her but he broke the agreement by fighting on several occasions which is why he was sent to furious. Second its sad we live in a one sided society that doesn't value fathers and are used to mothers running everything that a son cant live with his dad without folks saying the mom abandoned him smh
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A parent can only do the best they can to raise a child especially the mother that's if the father isn't in the picture.
Amen Marvin. I'm so glad Furious was there for his son!
I'm pausing this about nine minutes in, just to address the thing about the contract. Hell, maybe all three of them signed! You know, it sure seems like everyone is on the same page about the consequences. We don't see a lot of the co-parenting going on, but from the conversations we do see between Furious and Reva... I could believe that the parent currently acting as primary caretaker is still giving the other one updates. :)
Great movie review
Thank you!
Parents double talk all the time. She thought she could handle him alone, she could at a point when kids do what you say because they're little. But Tre got older and it's not as easy to control\handle kids, not just boys. This is the benefit of a 2 parent home. There would be balance, even if neither is perfect(none are). She thought she was able to be a better parent to Tre than Furious could be when neither is better and a combination of both is best.
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Lol I feel like the way Doughboy mom was after Furious , doughboy would’ve been the one with his baby mama and kid living in the house. She was treating Ricky like royalty which made me believe she liked his dad more than whoever doughboy father was. Furious would’ve had dough head straight even across the street
at time a man can only raised another man
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Super late to the party, but it was implied that Reva was around heavily. Reva's call in that one scene, proved it. The way Furious talked to her on the phone and the way he passed the phone to Tre, shows in my opinion that she speaks and sees her son very often. Then the conversation between Reva and Tre about him moving back, it seemed like a very much had all the time conversation. Then even the conversation between Reva and Furious when they met up, again about Tre coming back with her, seemed like a conversation that was had all the time. So Idk how ppl think Reva just abandoned her son. Plus the way the movie was set up, this was a movie about a young man getting in trouble and going to live with his father. This was not a story about how Reva is raising Tre; it was about Furious raising Tre. So of course we wasn't gonna seetoo much of Reva, especially considering Reva and Furious were not even together. Even through, I think Furious wanted that old thing back. Lmfao..
There should be more father's like him and mom's
With the contract, I do not believe she thought he would break the contract. She had no intention of enforcing.
But when he violated it, she was forced to enforce it based upon her values and her own example she was setting.
Which is why she was still trying to get him back to live with her.
Also, I think we know its not just about a man raising a boy. It's about a good man with his situation together raising the boy.
She would not have given the boy to Furious if he was a weak father. She thought she could do a better job than Furious. Another reason she was upset is because of the fact that she was failing.
She begrudgingly told Furious he was right.
She did it and she did it at the right age as well. She was at the tail end of being able to control him.
In two years, he would have been Dough Boy. An intelligent thug in and out of juvie and eventually, jail and prison.
She didn’t abandon him.. just one example she called him and talked to him shown as a little kid and as he grew up she didn’t…
Several comments,
One: I think we have to look at the timing of when this was made. In the early 90s there was this massive push of black male accountability specifically surrounding lack of fatherhood and this perceived correlation to street violence and poor decision making from young black men. The Furious character was suppose to represent that strong disciplinarian force that many older black people at the time, thought was missing in the community. Whether we agree or disagree, the idea was that woman/mother can’t administer the “necessary” discipline and order that a man can give to a son. It’s the old “ when daddy speaks you listen “ mentality. It’s why as soon as mom leaves the chores start. And the behavior correction begins to happen. The older black community revered this style of parenting.
They sure did. Yet, a lot of 70s-80s babies got that dealt to them through a "strong black" single mother instead. Maybe depending on the region the child was reared or the specific type of mother, but sometimes the mother was successful (for lack of a better word) in reaching the young boy the way a father might.....other times the situation turned out like Riva's.
His father was about building the community and was against selling their house because of the idea of ppl buying black ppl houses for cheap moving all the black ppl out and making money off their community
Did you listen to what we discussed?
@@AxiomAmnesia lol I was commenting as I listened my bad haha
Furious was about 34 -35yo
I'm assuming he got Tre when he was about 10-11 and since it's seven years later and tre was a senior in hs (17/18 yo) probably 18 since his dad referred to Tre as "grown".
Could it be Rita gave Furious a chance to fulfill his dreams he chose Army so she was the primart parent then it was time for Rita to fulfill her dreams her Masters so now Furious has to get the kid... but seems she checked out & didnt get him as much
That's possible!
Dreamed to go to Vietnam? If Trey was 17 his dad was 17 when he was born. The timeline for Vietnam would make Furious join at the height of an unpopular War.
15:56 yes furious abandoned trey at first too they both low key didn’t want to be involved with the kid fr notice furious was having a good ole time when trey wasn’t there and got bitter when he had to be the full time parent remember Ricky mom asked why he didn’t come over and get drunk and play cards with them anymore trey didn’t have a chance to begin with yo and we fast forward to trey being an young adult furious and him if anything are roommates and he’s like a older brother and now the mom wants her baby back but she forgets that she made her baby leave over a contract
Can't wait to watch this on my lunch break ❤
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How do you abandon some one you see on the weekend? You can clearly see that his father was teaching him history and life lessons right from the start. Trey has to recite five lesson principles before he ask why he has to clean while his father doesn't
This was quite obvious.
@@AxiomAmnesia Didn't seem like it.
Baldwin hills is the black Beverly Hills in la where all the well off black folk live
Thanks for clarifying this!!! We need to know about all this since we're not from LA.😊
@@AxiomAmnesia no problem I love the topics that involve la happy to help and I enjoyed the video as always
In theory the contract was just a way to explain to the audience why Tre is going to live with his father! Tre ran all over Reva bc she was at work/school. Furious is the disciplinarian overall. The agreement was really between Furious and Reva. Tre is a child so initially he really has no say so. Not to mention Reva raising Tre in her neighborhood was dangerous.
Your description of them being a “Crew” @ 28:40 is slightly misleading. Furious made a home for himself & Furious III (Tre) in LA. There are no clear indications of what the street numbers are. Being inspired by Singleton’s own life story, I’m assuming the neighborhood is located near USC. Probably the 30s, 40s, 50s, or 60’s on the west side of LA. You don’t hear of “crews” as you would back east. You’ll mainly hear of cliques aligned along neighborhood boundaries. These neighborhoods are claimed by a gang. the set/gang/hood are synonymous. In some hoods, you don’t have to be criminally active, some are just guys from the hood who defend the set/neighborhood.
Reva on the other hand lived in the ghetto. One of Tre’s classmates repped Crenshaw Mafia. It’s hella active over there. That area is dominated by a gang. Not a neighborhood gang. Both areas are dangerous but Tre’s chances around the CM were drastically slim compared to Exposition Park near USC. gang activity aside Furious lived in a neighborhood of home owners. In the 90s families were 3 generations in as homeowners. Reva lived around renters, section 8, and an active stretch of Crenshaw BLVD.
Tre was down with clique on his block same as Ricky. Neighborhood thing. Everybody else were active members of the gang claiming the hood as a whole.
Dope breakdown though.
Co-Parent life’s what I. I stand behind my SM in all things. We even have the same arraignment. We split after his first bday, and divided the week. I got the front end (S,M,T) she took the back end (T,F,S). Wednesday was his travel day between homes. S/S we’re interchangeable depending on our schedules for the second travel day. When he entered Kindergarten I accepted 3 weekends a month, along with any afternoon I could get off early enough to pick him up from school then drop him off bathed fed and clean before 8pm. He’s 8 currently, but when he enters 7th grade, he’s coming with me to live. #FuriousFathersFederation - Founded in 1990 by Furious Styles, II (CEO/COO)
Thanks for your comment. I think you read entirely too much into the word "crew" here. In this context, the word is interchangeable with the word "group"... That is to say that Tre and the people he hung around are viewed as part of the same group.
Way too deep. This is very simple. Obviously Trey mom had been trying to discipline him. It was not working because he keeps getting in disputes. So as a last ditch effort she creates this contract to accountability. 1. teach her son about honoring agreements. 2. she probably started to understand and realize that Ferious maybe right . There are certain lessons that can only be taught by a Father. 4. Trey probably didn't want to go because he knew that his Father was going to be more disciplined in his parenting. Hence the very first thing you see is Ferious assigning chore and setting the standards for the home. Trey was most likely taking advantage of his mom's busy life. 5. Of course she wants to have her son comeback it's her son. Her whole motivation for getting that master's was most likely to create a better life for him. It worked two fold he gets the discipline he needs from his father and she can focus on completing her education. It doesn't mean she is out of his life. Why is this so hard to understand. Like I said all these things can be true.
Did you watch the video or was this your reaction to the title?
To be fair legally that was a contract that trey signed. Yes he is a kid and yes im sure he had no choice signing it or anything to do with negotiation. On the side of law its a contract. Even if it was in a piece of tissue its still a signed agreement of sorts which at the end of the day is a contract lol. Also multiple things can be true at the same time. Clearly Trey was having behavioral problems in school so i think the contract was to hold up accountability in a way bc thats something he dnt not want to do was live with his dad. Then on top of that by him getting in trouble at school Reva is realizing that what Furious had been telling her it takes a man to raise a man is coming to fruition bc her way of discipline wasn't working anymore. Then by sending Trey to live with his dad she can fully focus on school and getting a better job so that when he does potentially come back they can have a better life than when he left. Sometimes it takes multiple avenues to get to a destination. I also think that part of the reason she sent him is bc he needed to learn some type of responsibility and how to carry himself that sometimes only a man can teach his son like how to move in the world in this case as a black man in America.