Sharif's death in Menace II Society actually hit me harder than the death of Caine because Caine was living a wild, reckless life and it was only a matter of time before it caught up to him; while Sharif the logical voice of reason for the crew who wanted to always do what was right to the point where it annoyed the rest of the crew.
I think the reason people found Caine's death very tragic was bc he was true potential. In time all of the things Shariff once told him were beginning to marinate and materialize. Shariff was already there, he already mentally achieved his place. Sheriff died a young man that knew himself and loved himself regardless of his friends. Caine was on the verge of this. But before he got a chance, he was snuffed out. No chance of discovering this world through maturity. Shariff's tragedy lies where he was bright and intelligent, young, up and coming, and definitely coming to do the greatest things, gets snuffed out too. It sucks for them both in the end.
I believe the death of Sharif is not only what becomes of Caine's decisions but the decisions of Sharif being around the wrong crowd or elements. I agree with Cheri. I was always taught about being cautious of association.
The fact that Vonte Sweet was in 2 of the best hood movies of all time (Menace II Society & Boyz N The Hood) should've been enough to carve out his talent and impact in the film industry. But sadly, after those 2 movies, I can't think of many other big budget films that he was in (if I'm wrong then I'd gladly be corrected). But it just seems that his career came & went. I feel that he should've been hired in a lot more movies because of his untapped potential as an actor.
He was in the Vietnam War film The Walking Dead with Eddie Griffin, Alan Payne, Joe Morton and Bernie Mac. I hope at some point Axiom Amnesia does a review of it.
I remember watching this film with my mother. When Sheriff got killed, she paused the film and said "this is what I mean when I say choose your friends wisely. He was the only good guy and gets killed first". She then made us do chores cause she was pissed off at the film. 😂😂
I always wondered why Sharif didn’t just leave his friends seeing how they were still getting into shit I know people who are in the Nation of Islam and a lot of them come from similar backgrounds like Sharif one of the first things they did was cut off their old friends from the past or tried to get them into the nation
Out of all the times I've seen this film (maybe because it happens at the end of the movie), I only just thought about how Sharif's death would have effected his father. His father would've been devastated.
Well, his father I believe was fucked up. I’m pretty sure Sharif was helping Caine leave but didn’t know what else he done for that karma to come back to him and killed him 😞
Side note: I don’t think cane would have survived in Kansas City. Because he was already corrupted. Somebody would have tried him out there, and he would have resulted back to who he already became!!
Caine somewhat himself implied the same thing. Or at least when they mentioned Atlanta, he mentioned it being another Ghetto. I think also from pistol whipping Chauncey, Caines days on the streets was limited anyways. It was a matter of time he would be arrested for the store Robbery/Murder. His only way would be if ODog took full responsibility but even then it is still doubtful he would get off completely free.
Right! He kept coming around the hood! I get it those his friends but sometime when ya friends ain’t listening to you? Sometimes it’s best to go out ya own way for yourself 💯.
@@ja6864 I agree. Sharif should have stayed away from them. I understand they were his friends, but if he is reformed, why was he still associating with wayward people? Sharif kept telling them they needed to change their ways, but they wouldn't listen. At that point, Sharif needed to disassociate himself from them.
This is exactly why Tupac didn’t want to play the role because Sharif had no backstory, no storyline, he just a friend of the crew that’s a young Muslim. Pac wanted to know what changed him to wanna join the Nation of Islam. Now we see what Pac meant..
Sharif dad kinda touched on his background a little when him and Caine were sitting in the classroom together Sharif dad said he was getting in all kinds of shit until he found Allah so I’m assuming he was a former gang banger
I really like how you guys share your personal experiences when doing your breakdowns. Feels like I know you guys even though we are obviously all strangers.
I think the movie's message was basically that the hood is a chaotic place. Sharif was an example of a character that made good decisions. Sharif had a father as well. He still was a victim of the streets. Also the movie implies Sharif was getting in similar trouble as Cain and ODog before he found Islam, yet Sharif had a good father. Sharif's main downfall was his association of friends. Caine's beef with illyena's cousin had nothing to do at all with Sharif. Sharif was mainly there to help Caine pack to help get him out the hood. Ultimately Caine's made alot of mistakes and the movie implies that maybe of Caine didn't get shot and killed, he would have ended up in jail anyways. It would have been a matter of time before he was arrested for Robbery and Murder. But Caine's ultimate downfalls was his tendency to solve problems with violence. Pistol whipping Chauncey (who probably did deserve it), got their names hot in the streets. Stomping Illyenas cousin (which was probably unnecessary) got him killed, one of his friends killed, and put his girlfriend and her son life at risk. While Cain got killed in the end, it also killed innocent people and traumatized others. Sharif had nothing to do with any of it and was killed just for being the wrong place at the wrong time and was trying to get out the hood himself.
being around the wrong people gets you into all kinds of shit. That’s probably why I ain’t had many friends cause I wasn’t into certain shit the average nigga was into
Oh yeah, Beaches fasho!!!! When Bette is singing and then they show the splash on a rainy day and you see they are at a funeral and her friend is gone! 😭😭😭
In my journey to find myself in the 80s and 90s and educating myself about my peoples history beyond mlk, I noticed that during that time accepting Islam was what alot of people thought came with Black Power and a bunch of them have since abandoned it because it was pure. I was around alot of 5 percenters in NY back then and they also automatically assumed that because I was invested in the struggle, I should instantly pick up their religious beliefs. I didn't believe in any religion at that time having studied them before I made a choice and I ended up choosing nothing. I needed it to be organic no matter what it was and that didn't come until I was in my 40s. 😊. My husband has been a 5 percenter for 45 years and he said that he didn't necessarily believe in it at 1st. They'd bully the young boys into it in the 70s. I doubt Sharriff was bullied in or a jail convert. For some reason I think his conversion was organically spiritual after reading and studying and having a real interest in it
Parnell was also a positive influence in Caine's life after being a negative influence as Caine was being raised, even tho it wasn't shown until the end.
Move connect Sharif is the guy Roc in Boyz in the Hood who tried to take the Tickets football ... I'm not simply saying it's the same actor he's the same person because Sharifs dad Mr Butler talked about who Shaif getting in trouble a lot when he was younger before he found the nation
I don't think that's enough to connect this as the same character, especially considering that the films had different writers and directors. I know we all like to make this type of fan theory connection, but there's no real evidence that this is the case. Now if Mr Butler specifically referred to something that happened in the other movie, that would be more suggestive of what you're talking about. 🙂
Sharif is a redundant there are already 3 other people introduced into the story just to basically give the same message he gives, and besides that part of his character he had none. The character has like 5 lines, They originally gave Pac this throwaway role just so he would turn it down.
I think you're wrong about this because the other people who deliver the message of leaving the streets are not the same. Both the message and the messenger matter.
@@AxiomAmnesia Caines Grandparents, the school teacher, Pernell amd Ronnie all give the same message that Sharif did and unlike sharif they play active roles in the story. Caines Grandparents raised him, Duttons character was his teacher, Purnell was the reason he got into the gang life (and he was from the streets too), Ronnie was his love interest and the one who orchestrates the Kansas trip and Sharif is just there for some reason. Its so obvious they created this character to be nothing so if directors needed to cut scenes with him in it for whatever reason nothing in the story would change.
I think Sharif's role was interesting. Alot of times there are people who associate with Thugs and aren't thugs. Sharif didn't do drugs or drink, he seemed to be the downer of the party, yet he was there alot of times. While I think Sharif did want to help Caine, I also think Sharif somewhat might have missed his old life. I think on a deeper level he missed his friends and that was a big part of trying to get Caine to get right. I think he figured ODog was a lost cause. I think he could have went Islam and found new friends but I think he couldn't live with himself seeing them choose the wrong path. Caine was ultimately blind. He had alot of people giving him knowledge. But I think his cycle of destruction started earlier than people realized. Before the movie started Caine has witnessed multiple murders, had to deal with the death of both of his parents and probably was a victim of violence many times before the movie started. By the time he graduated high school, he was already well on the wrong path even though he probably never killed anyone, i think he had a fairly rough past by then.
9:31 if y’all think back growing up, in every group of friends there’s always the one that is more logical/sensible than everyone. Do you think that we as young people subconsciously allow that person because we want to be pulled back sometimes. Even though we consistently shut them down, they help the dynamic of the group.🤔🤨
Anthony’s Gotta Go! Caine and Sharif are the two roads of life. Caine representing the wide and broad, and Sharif the straight and narrow. A message to Heit: Embrace your squareness. Though not perfect, you’re still making it through this wild, crazy beautiful world.
He was another film after Menace called The Walking Dead. It was a film about a mostly black unit in Vietnam back in the 60’s and we get flashbacks of their lives prior to enlisting.
What I found very profound about the character Sharif in this film was that he had the courage to stand by Caine's cousin side when he took his last breath after shot to death alongside Caine by some muggers driving up the stop sign with weapons.
Having a good father in the home doesn't mean that there is no mistake, bad decisions, missteps, etc. What it means isn't that there is a significantly better chance that when those things inevitably do happen, there is someone there who has a better chance to course correct them. Shariff did have those before, but through help and guidance of his father, he found a way out of those things. And after he found his way out of those things, he tried to be the leader and course correct his friends as well. And up until the end of the movie, he was succeeding to a degree. 2 of his friends were in the middle of course correcting with him. If that drive by is scheduled a day later, he and at least 2 of his friends would have it out. And like Heit said, Cain himself was 1 decision away. If Cain had handled that 1 decision better, the drive by would not have happened.
ANTHONY’S GOTTA GO. Cheri had me cracking up about the alternate endings of this movie. Sharif should have found new friends when he found the nation because he should have known that he was never going to be able to get through to the crew. He was portrayed as the annoying voice of reason. I felt like Caine & O-Dogg had to deal with Illena’s cousin right, then & there because of the way Illena’s cousin came at them. Here’s a fun fact: Vonte Sweet appeared on Roc. He’s one of those actors who should have had a bigger career. 3:32
Anthony gotta go. I think tupac playing shariff would overpower the caine character, which would make it a bigger good (shariff) vs. evil (O-Dog) from within the circle
We had a family in my building growing up where the mother was Muslim and the father was still a drinking , smoking swine eater from the Georgia woods. They had 6 kids. All 3 daughters and one son adopted Islam and 2 brothers never did. What if Shariffs mother's family (or herself) were Muslim and that's why he was so well informed about the religious and able to choose differently than his dad.
I dont know yall, I'm not sure if that situation with Ilena's cousin, Caine and O-Dog could've ended another way lol. He was brave walking into the projects by himself and unarmed trying to confront somebody😂😂Caine was kinda still in his feelings and emotional from talking to Pernell too.
If you watch the deleted scenes you see Stacey and Sharif going over Caines grandparents house. The grandfather happy to see both of them and telling him if they can talk some sense in Caine.
I know most movies have the good Angel and the devil on one shoulder. Boyz in the Hood South Central. The boy in the wheel chair was more into God and dough boy said how come you became so. Religious . Then Bobby changed when the Muslim in jail helped him change. Then you got Malcolm x. How he came out as a muslim .
That's a good point about the role that Muslim characters have played in these films. 😊 I wonder if the guy in the wheelchair had a come to Jesus moment when he got shot or whatever incident led to him being in a wheelchair.
She's definitely an adult while technically he is underage. This is probably why they waited until he was legal to have them actually hook up. The relationship was inappropriate though before that. People tend to ignore it because Caine was a male.
That's what threw me off about their whole dynamic. Why would she get with a dude barely out of highschool? why would she want him to move with her and her child especially after she sees him teaching her kid how to aim a gun? wouldn't Caine just take his bad instincts with him to Atlanta?
Heit: "I don't think I was a square. Cheri: "You were a square.! That's hilarious! 😂😂😂 But it's okay, I was a square too, and my life is better off because of it. Squares run the world.
Listen!!!! When Sara Jane is running down the street talking about "That's my Mama!!!" I lose it every time! And then when Mahalia starts singing!!!!😭😭😭
How do you explain New Jack city. Because you have Ice T he's a cop. But you don't know if his father was around. But he told nino that the teacher you killed was his mother. What made him become a cop. And how do you describe his character
Malcolm X makes me sad about how they killed him. And who shot dough boy. Remember. They made it seem like he killed all the 3 guys that shot Ricky. So who killed doughboy. I just wish they could've put more in at the end of the movie.
Well in these types of movies there's at least always the goody two shoes or the angelic one in boyz n the hood it was ricky and tre in juice it was steele in new jack city it was ice t in set it off it was T.T
Oh I haven't seen that movie in forever! I was shocked because I didn't know how it was gonna end as a kid. And the way Richie was looking when he got on the plane! 😭
I liked thw character but I agree with Pac's criticism. Black Muslims aint punks and the way Shareef was spoken to by his friends indicated that he was, wven if they were joking. I feel there shouod have had more respect and he should have been a bit more authoritative in his demeanor.
Most of the time in the black community moms are automatically assumed to be there. They cannot be there but be present. Kane don’t have to mention his father death. The fact he not there may assume he not around.
@@AxiomAmnesia not the voice of reason but in that time period Islam was popular and we all knew someone who’s parent were Muslim. And they were too, sharif on the surface is the representation of that. that’s why I say you were sharif lol
It was a reflection because it showed how fast your life flashes right before your eyes. It showed all the things kane done. And remember Jesus was crucified. They didn't take him seriously. That he was the son of God until. They took him down off the cross. And those who knew that he's the son of God.
If Tupac would have played Sherif then he would have been bigger then O Dog...Tupac was never second fiddle...in any movie! Tupac could have been only O Dog or Cain!
Maybe he installed a car seat in the back seat of the car they used for the drive by 😆. Seriously though, he probably didn't even see it as his responsibility...sadly.
We said that Sharif was the perfect character, which isn't quite the same as saying he was a perfect person in the movie. His character was perfect because of his function in the film is what we were saying.
Do we know how old Ronny is? Because she's hooking up with a guy who just graduated high school and she's dating a man who was an adult when Caine was a kid. And she has a kid who is like 5 to 7ish. So either Parnell is too old for her or she's too old for Caine assuming Caine is 17? But I mean...let's be real...in real life this and much worse goes on. I know a woman who casually admitted her 32 year old friend was dating a 19 year old guy for 3 years and didn't even think it was weird or wrong...If we ignore all that and assume they're close in age, I think Parnell pretty much gives his blessing. He wants Caine to take care of her and his son because he's never getting out or he'll be an old man or something. I don't like all the characters dying either. I don't need movies to be real and sad. Real life is hard enough, sad enough, and just too much sometimes. I want to see happy endings. I already "feel" enough from real life, lol. i gotta disagree with "anthony's gotta go". Now, Ronny being killed and Caine having to take care of Anthony...that's super tragic, but maybe a better ending because that would hurt Caine more than dying himself. But with the ending the way it is...I think it's better. Caine is not a really good person. He tries save Anthony even though he's really just putting Anthony in more danger...but that's about it. He's not show doing anything for anyone but himself and the girl he likes. So him dying isn't too tragic for me. Sharif is more tragic, but even then I'm just like "why are you always around them".
Sharif's death in Menace II Society actually hit me harder than the death of Caine because Caine was living a wild, reckless life and it was only a matter of time before it caught up to him; while Sharif the logical voice of reason for the crew who wanted to always do what was right to the point where it annoyed the rest of the crew.
I think the reason people found Caine's death very tragic was bc he was true potential. In time all of the things Shariff once told him were beginning to marinate and materialize. Shariff was already there, he already mentally achieved his place. Sheriff died a young man that knew himself and loved himself regardless of his friends. Caine was on the verge of this. But before he got a chance, he was snuffed out. No chance of discovering this world through maturity. Shariff's tragedy lies where he was bright and intelligent, young, up and coming, and definitely coming to do the greatest things, gets snuffed out too.
It sucks for them both in the end.
Sharif deserved better 🥲 yall always got 🔥 videos. Terrible day at work today, yall came through for me ❤
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Crazy how Sharif was the first one to get popped at the end when Ilena cousin slid up on Caine, straight innocent bystander
Yep!
Guilty by association
That pissed me off bro 😢
I believe the death of Sharif is not only what becomes of Caine's decisions but the decisions of Sharif being around the wrong crowd or elements. I agree with Cheri. I was always taught about being cautious of association.
The fact that Vonte Sweet was in 2 of the best hood movies of all time (Menace II Society & Boyz N The Hood) should've been enough to carve out his talent and impact in the film industry. But sadly, after those 2 movies, I can't think of many other big budget films that he was in (if I'm wrong then I'd gladly be corrected). But it just seems that his career came & went. I feel that he should've been hired in a lot more movies because of his untapped potential as an actor.
Yes, he made a wonderful contribution to the culture, but it. Was quite limited in terms of longevity.
He was in the Vietnam War film The Walking Dead with Eddie Griffin, Alan Payne, Joe Morton and Bernie Mac. I hope at some point Axiom Amnesia does a review of it.
That was such a good movie;
He had some roles on the Roc TV show back in the day.
He was also in Traffic, as a drug dealer
I remember watching this film with my mother. When Sheriff got killed, she paused the film and said "this is what I mean when I say choose your friends wisely. He was the only good guy and gets killed first". She then made us do chores cause she was pissed off at the film. 😂😂
Great mom
Wow 😂! I mean that’s a good example to look at
I always wondered why Sharif didn’t just leave his friends seeing how they were still getting into shit I know people who are in the Nation of Islam and a lot of them come from similar backgrounds like Sharif one of the first things they did was cut off their old friends from the past or tried to get them into the nation
Out of all the times I've seen this film (maybe because it happens at the end of the movie), I only just thought about how Sharif's death would have effected his father. His father would've been devastated.
Yes he would have been so sad!
Well, his father I believe was fucked up. I’m pretty sure Sharif was helping Caine leave but didn’t know what else he done for that karma to come back to him and killed him 😞
You both have some of the most intriguing perspectives on old movies I grew up on. Makes me wanna go back and watch them all over again 👍🏿
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Side note: I don’t think cane would have survived in Kansas City. Because he was already corrupted. Somebody would have tried him out there, and he would have resulted back to who he already became!!
Caine somewhat himself implied the same thing. Or at least when they mentioned Atlanta, he mentioned it being another Ghetto.
I think also from pistol whipping Chauncey, Caines days on the streets was limited anyways. It was a matter of time he would be arrested for the store Robbery/Murder.
His only way would be if ODog took full responsibility but even then it is still doubtful he would get off completely free.
Sharif was the only character that had some common sense other than being in the car with those friends of his.
He had some basic common sense, but he should have gotten away from those guys if he wanted to live.
I think Sharif should have been hanging out with like minded people.
Right! He kept coming around the hood! I get it those his friends but sometime when ya friends ain’t listening to you? Sometimes it’s best to go out ya own way for yourself 💯.
@@ja6864 I agree. Sharif should have stayed away from them. I understand they were his friends, but if he is reformed, why was he still associating with wayward people? Sharif kept telling them they needed to change their ways, but they wouldn't listen. At that point, Sharif needed to disassociate himself from them.
Sharif past is his character in Boyz in the Hood
I was gettin ready to type this I agree 100%
This is exactly why Tupac didn’t want to play the role because Sharif had no backstory, no storyline, he just a friend of the crew that’s a young Muslim. Pac wanted to know what changed him to wanna join the Nation of Islam. Now we see what Pac meant..
Pac was more into reading more about his character so it’s a reason why. Hughes Brothers weren’t that deep in the script for his character
Sharif dad kinda touched on his background a little when him and Caine were sitting in the classroom together Sharif dad said he was getting in all kinds of shit until he found Allah so I’m assuming he was a former gang banger
I thought they said pac was supposed to be o dogg this is the first time i heard he was going to be shariff
The vibe interveiw Pac said it out his own mouth he refused to play the roles that dont exist in real life @@YvonneCox-ff4zk
I really like how you guys share your personal experiences when doing your breakdowns. Feels like I know you guys even though we are obviously all strangers.
I think the movie's message was basically that the hood is a chaotic place.
Sharif was an example of a character that made good decisions. Sharif had a father as well. He still was a victim of the streets.
Also the movie implies Sharif was getting in similar trouble as Cain and ODog before he found Islam, yet Sharif had a good father.
Sharif's main downfall was his association of friends.
Caine's beef with illyena's cousin had nothing to do at all with Sharif. Sharif was mainly there to help Caine pack to help get him out the hood.
Ultimately Caine's made alot of mistakes and the movie implies that maybe of Caine didn't get shot and killed, he would have ended up in jail anyways. It would have been a matter of time before he was arrested for Robbery and Murder.
But Caine's ultimate downfalls was his tendency to solve problems with violence. Pistol whipping Chauncey (who probably did deserve it), got their names hot in the streets. Stomping Illyenas cousin (which was probably unnecessary) got him killed, one of his friends killed, and put his girlfriend and her son life at risk. While Cain got killed in the end, it also killed innocent people and traumatized others.
Sharif had nothing to do with any of it and was killed just for being the wrong place at the wrong time and was trying to get out the hood himself.
being around the wrong people gets you into all kinds of shit. That’s probably why I ain’t had many friends cause I wasn’t into certain shit the average nigga was into
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One thing for certain 2 things for sure ima watch Axiom Amnesia when I see I missed an upload…..on all 3 channels 😂
Please do!!!! The notifications always seem to be trippin', so it's always good to check! 😁😁😁
This is a dope discussion!
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Beaches is a movie that made me ugly cry at the end. To this day I can't watch it without bawling.
Oh yeah, Beaches fasho!!!! When Bette is singing and then they show the splash on a rainy day and you see they are at a funeral and her friend is gone! 😭😭😭
In my journey to find myself in the 80s and 90s and educating myself about my peoples history beyond mlk, I noticed that during that time accepting Islam was what alot of people thought came with Black Power and a bunch of them have since abandoned it because it was pure. I was around alot of 5 percenters in NY back then and they also automatically assumed that because I was invested in the struggle, I should instantly pick up their religious beliefs. I didn't believe in any religion at that time having studied them before I made a choice and I ended up choosing nothing. I needed it to be organic no matter what it was and that didn't come until I was in my 40s. 😊. My husband has been a 5 percenter for 45 years and he said that he didn't necessarily believe in it at 1st. They'd bully the young boys into it in the 70s. I doubt Sharriff was bullied in or a jail convert. For some reason I think his conversion was organically spiritual after reading and studying and having a real interest in it
Parnell was also a positive influence in Caine's life after being a negative influence as Caine was being raised, even tho it wasn't shown until the end.
Yeah, his life was really a cautionary tale.
Move connect Sharif is the guy Roc in Boyz in the Hood who tried to take the Tickets football ... I'm not simply saying it's the same actor he's the same person because Sharifs dad Mr Butler talked about who Shaif getting in trouble a lot when he was younger before he found the nation
I don't think that's enough to connect this as the same character, especially considering that the films had different writers and directors. I know we all like to make this type of fan theory connection, but there's no real evidence that this is the case. Now if Mr Butler specifically referred to something that happened in the other movie, that would be more suggestive of what you're talking about. 🙂
Sharif is a redundant there are already 3 other people introduced into the story just to basically give the same message he gives, and besides that part of his character he had none. The character has like 5 lines, They originally gave Pac this throwaway role just so he would turn it down.
I think you're wrong about this because the other people who deliver the message of leaving the streets are not the same. Both the message and the messenger matter.
@@AxiomAmnesia Caines Grandparents, the school teacher, Pernell amd Ronnie all give the same message that Sharif did and unlike sharif they play active roles in the story.
Caines Grandparents raised him, Duttons character was his teacher, Purnell was the reason he got into the gang life (and he was from the streets too), Ronnie was his love interest and the one who orchestrates the Kansas trip and Sharif is just there for some reason. Its so obvious they created this character to be nothing so if directors needed to cut scenes with him in it for whatever reason nothing in the story would change.
I think Sharif's role was interesting.
Alot of times there are people who associate with Thugs and aren't thugs.
Sharif didn't do drugs or drink, he seemed to be the downer of the party, yet he was there alot of times.
While I think Sharif did want to help Caine, I also think Sharif somewhat might have missed his old life. I think on a deeper level he missed his friends and that was a big part of trying to get Caine to get right. I think he figured ODog was a lost cause.
I think he could have went Islam and found new friends but I think he couldn't live with himself seeing them choose the wrong path.
Caine was ultimately blind. He had alot of people giving him knowledge. But I think his cycle of destruction started earlier than people realized.
Before the movie started Caine has witnessed multiple murders, had to deal with the death of both of his parents and probably was a victim of violence many times before the movie started.
By the time he graduated high school, he was already well on the wrong path even though he probably never killed anyone, i think he had a fairly rough past by then.
9:31 if y’all think back growing up, in every group of friends there’s always the one that is more logical/sensible than everyone. Do you think that we as young people subconsciously allow that person because we want to be pulled back sometimes. Even though we consistently shut them down, they help the dynamic of the group.🤔🤨
Anthony’s Gotta Go! Caine and Sharif are the two roads of life. Caine representing the wide and broad, and Sharif the straight and narrow. A message to Heit: Embrace your squareness. Though not perfect, you’re still making it through this wild, crazy beautiful world.
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He was another film after Menace called The Walking Dead. It was a film about a mostly black unit in Vietnam back in the 60’s and we get flashbacks of their lives prior to enlisting.
@@SupremmoThat movie is a hidden gem 💎.
Oh yeah that movie is a real gem!
My mother and I wore that movie out on bootleg VHS 😂.
I was with y'all when u said Sharif should've gotten from around them cuz keep in mind there's a such thing as loving people from a distance🤷♀️
What I found very profound about the character Sharif in this film was that he had the courage to stand by Caine's cousin side when he took his last breath after shot to death alongside Caine by some muggers driving up the stop sign with weapons.
Yes!!!!!
Having a good father in the home doesn't mean that there is no mistake, bad decisions, missteps, etc.
What it means isn't that there is a significantly better chance that when those things inevitably do happen, there is someone there who has a better chance to course correct them.
Shariff did have those before, but through help and guidance of his father, he found a way out of those things.
And after he found his way out of those things, he tried to be the leader and course correct his friends as well.
And up until the end of the movie, he was succeeding to a degree. 2 of his friends were in the middle of course correcting with him.
If that drive by is scheduled a day later, he and at least 2 of his friends would have it out.
And like Heit said, Cain himself was 1 decision away.
If Cain had handled that 1 decision better, the drive by would not have happened.
Agreed
ANTHONY’S GOTTA GO. Cheri had me cracking up about the alternate endings of this movie. Sharif should have found new friends when he found the nation because he should have known that he was never going to be able to get through to the crew. He was portrayed as the annoying voice of reason. I felt like Caine & O-Dogg had to deal with Illena’s cousin right, then & there because of the way Illena’s cousin came at them. Here’s a fun fact: Vonte Sweet appeared on Roc. He’s one of those actors who should have had a bigger career. 3:32
Hey Marlon! I agree!
I HOLLERED when Cheri said "Shairf and the kid can die" 😂😂😂
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Anthony gotta go. I think tupac playing shariff would overpower the caine character, which would make it a bigger good (shariff) vs. evil (O-Dog) from within the circle
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We had a family in my building growing up where the mother was Muslim and the father was still a drinking , smoking swine eater from the Georgia woods. They had 6 kids. All 3 daughters and one son adopted Islam and 2 brothers never did. What if Shariffs mother's family (or herself) were Muslim and that's why he was so well informed about the religious and able to choose differently than his dad.
I'm open to that possibility! 🙂
I dont know yall, I'm not sure if that situation with Ilena's cousin, Caine and O-Dog could've ended another way lol. He was brave walking into the projects by himself and unarmed trying to confront somebody😂😂Caine was kinda still in his feelings and emotional from talking to Pernell too.
I think sheriff and Stacey were just trying to be good people and help them move, before they go and got fucked up in the process.
If you watch the deleted scenes you see Stacey and Sharif going over Caines grandparents house. The grandfather happy to see both of them and telling him if they can talk some sense in Caine.
@@91Definite oh really!!
@@91Definite I actually remember something like that…
I know most movies have the good Angel and the devil on one shoulder. Boyz in the Hood South Central. The boy in the wheel chair was more into God and dough boy said how come you became so. Religious . Then Bobby changed when the Muslim in jail helped him change. Then you got Malcolm x. How he came out as a muslim .
That's a good point about the role that Muslim characters have played in these films. 😊
I wonder if the guy in the wheelchair had a come to Jesus moment when he got shot or whatever incident led to him being in a wheelchair.
The will smith sandwich was called CHICKEN WILL
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@@AxiomAmnesia no problem and here's another list of movies you should review
Straight out of Brooklyn
On the streets of LA
Strapped
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Anthony’s Gotta Go (but not really 😂). I love you guy’s banter. You seem to be a very compatible match.
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ANTHONY'S GOTTA GO!
If Kane would have just road on past Ilena he and Shareef would have made it out of town.
This part
Isn't Ronnie too old for caine ? Am I missing something? Wasn't caine a child before Pernell went to jail
She's definitely an adult while technically he is underage. This is probably why they waited until he was legal to have them actually hook up. The relationship was inappropriate though before that. People tend to ignore it because Caine was a male.
@@AxiomAmnesia yeah I thought I was tripping
That's what threw me off about their whole dynamic. Why would she get with a dude barely out of highschool? why would she want him to move with her and her child especially after she sees him teaching her kid how to aim a gun? wouldn't Caine just take his bad instincts with him to Atlanta?
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Anthony’s Gotta Go
Yall was getting real dark with how yall would have ended the film😂 I was getting scared😂🤣
😂😂😂 Well it's Axiom Amnesia October Fest, so.... 🎃🎃🎃
Heit: "I don't think I was a square.
Cheri: "You were a square.!
That's hilarious! 😂😂😂 But it's okay, I was a square too, and my life is better off because of it. Squares run the world.
🤭 We were talking about why it seems like some people think that being square was bad. I was, and probably still am, a proud square.😂
Exactly! Yes, proud square here as well. 😂
Cooley high is a sad old school movie Cochise was about to make it out
Yeah that was sad too!
@@AxiomAmnesiaCornbread, too!!!!
@@AxiomAmnesiaCornbread, too!!!
Imitation of Life & Cooley High 😢😢😢
Listen!!!! When Sara Jane is running down the street talking about "That's my Mama!!!" I lose it every time! And then when Mahalia starts singing!!!!😭😭😭
@@AxiomAmnesiaMy people love those movies
Rif the changed & what odog was supposed to & Anthony is Kane in a different way😏
Queen & slim traumatized me😢
I remember you saying that when we talked about it before. Honestly, that ending is why I started fantasizing a better ending.
@@AxiomAmnesia imma just pretend they alive ! 😂
While the film has mostly early 90s Rap music..there is a Aaron Hall song during the love scene. Heit,is that considered a New Jack Swing song?
Did we talk about that in this video?
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@@AxiomAmnesiano just joking.
@@ChiGuy251yeah,you're right.
Man, I completely forgot Sharif died.
Old dog was stupid because he showed everyone the tape
How do you explain New Jack city. Because you have Ice T he's a cop. But you don't know if his father was around. But he told nino that the teacher you killed was his mother. What made him become a cop. And how do you describe his character
We actually did multiple in-depth videos on this film on this channel. 😬
Malcolm X makes me sad about how they killed him. And who shot dough boy. Remember. They made it seem like he killed all the 3 guys that shot Ricky. So who killed doughboy. I just wish they could've put more in at the end of the movie.
Malcolm X is sad because that's how he actually went out unfortunately.
Anthony’s go to go
“Sorry baby, you know there ain’t no positive Black females roles in these movies”
-Ashtray’s mama in “Don’t Be a Menace”
It would of been cool if 2pac took that role that’s a good look scene Charles Dutton and 2pac doing that class scene
😂Anthony gotta go. Do you know how tragic that end would’ve have been 😳? That would’ve left the audience speechless 😢
Yeah, that's what I was aiming for... Utter devastation. The loss of Anthony would hit on a different level.
Well in these types of movies there's at least always the goody two shoes or the angelic one in boyz n the hood it was ricky and tre in juice it was steele in new jack city it was ice t in set it off it was T.T
I don't watch the ending of La Bamba because i don't need to see Richie families cry. 🤣🤣
Oh I haven't seen that movie in forever! I was shocked because I didn't know how it was gonna end as a kid. And the way Richie was looking when he got on the plane! 😭
This is a great movie but it is hard to watch because it is so devastating
Again in that movie you had the old man who cared about the community and he kills nino Brown in the end
Yes, we've talked about New Jack City extensively in other videos.
I liked thw character but I agree with Pac's criticism. Black Muslims aint punks and the way Shareef was spoken to by his friends indicated that he was, wven if they were joking. I feel there shouod have had more respect and he should have been a bit more authoritative in his demeanor.
Most of the time in the black community moms are automatically assumed to be there. They cannot be there but be present. Kane don’t have to mention his father death. The fact he not there may assume he not around.
Anthony’s gotta go!!! I always thought that they should have gotten rid of Anthony. He wasn’t that interesting of a kid anyway😆😆
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The purpose of sharif is to show case we all have that voice
For instance Cheri you were sharif the friend in the group who grew up in Islam
Nah, I definitely wasn't the Sharif...
@@AxiomAmnesia not the voice of reason but in that time period Islam was popular and we all knew someone who’s parent were Muslim. And they were too, sharif on the surface is the representation of that. that’s why I say you were sharif lol
Anthony’s Gotta Go!
He's gotta go! 😭
Anthony's Gotta Go.
It was a reflection because it showed how fast your life flashes right before your eyes. It showed all the things kane done. And remember Jesus was crucified. They didn't take him seriously. That he was the son of God until. They took him down off the cross. And those who knew that he's the son of God.
This movie and Dead Presidents are hard to watch for me. They’re so dark and heavy.
The Book of Eli is one by the Hughes Brothers. You can say Menace ll Society and The Book of Eli are both connected in some way
Anthony gotta go 😭😭😭
If Tupac would have played Sherif then he would have been bigger then O Dog...Tupac was never second fiddle...in any movie! Tupac could have been only O Dog or Cain!
You might be right... especially since nobody knew Tyrin Turner yet.
Anthony's Gotta Go!
(Does he really, though?)
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Anthony's Gotta Go🔴⚪️ this was hilarious🤭😹
You know Anthony had to go! 😆
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Anthony gotta go
How is Sharif going to rise being around all of that negativity.
It happens all the time...
Aileen cousin better be taking care of that baby since it's his fault the baby is fatherless.
Maybe he installed a car seat in the back seat of the car they used for the drive by 😆. Seriously though, he probably didn't even see it as his responsibility...sadly.
Anthony's gotta go!
You know they didn't want me to be the director because Anthony would not have made it. 🤷🏿♀️
@@AxiomAmnesia lol very true
Poor thang…Anthony’s gotta go 😢
Turner and Hooch is one I can never watch again
Sharif wasn't perfect or none of that
Because he was hanging with her Gangs
If he didn't surround himself with Gangs
He wouldn't have died
We said that Sharif was the perfect character, which isn't quite the same as saying he was a perfect person in the movie. His character was perfect because of his function in the film is what we were saying.
That actor suck so bad, that I thought sharif was a parody character lol. Tupac would have been so much better.
I can't actually imagine Tupac playing this role--even after all of these years.
The character was weak
Any discussion about why you feel the character was weak, or do you prefer to simply make a claim with no supporting evidence? 😊
Do we know how old Ronny is? Because she's hooking up with a guy who just graduated high school and she's dating a man who was an adult when Caine was a kid. And she has a kid who is like 5 to 7ish. So either Parnell is too old for her or she's too old for Caine assuming Caine is 17? But I mean...let's be real...in real life this and much worse goes on. I know a woman who casually admitted her 32 year old friend was dating a 19 year old guy for 3 years and didn't even think it was weird or wrong...If we ignore all that and assume they're close in age, I think Parnell pretty much gives his blessing. He wants Caine to take care of her and his son because he's never getting out or he'll be an old man or something.
I don't like all the characters dying either. I don't need movies to be real and sad. Real life is hard enough, sad enough, and just too much sometimes. I want to see happy endings. I already "feel" enough from real life, lol. i gotta disagree with "anthony's gotta go". Now, Ronny being killed and Caine having to take care of Anthony...that's super tragic, but maybe a better ending because that would hurt Caine more than dying himself. But with the ending the way it is...I think it's better. Caine is not a really good person. He tries save Anthony even though he's really just putting Anthony in more danger...but that's about it. He's not show doing anything for anyone but himself and the girl he likes. So him dying isn't too tragic for me. Sharif is more tragic, but even then I'm just like "why are you always around them".
Anthony's gotta go!