Hannibal goes to the Alps
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Crossing the Alps with an army in bad weather was quite a feat, but the trouble Hannibal had even getting to the Alps in the first place often gets forgotten. Spanish, Celts, and Romans all tried to stop him getting that far.
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"Nah, I don't fancy this"
- An Elephant, 3rd Century BC
Elephants are more real than anime🤣
“Blimey”
Roman General: Ha ha ha... What's an elephant?
Roman Scout: It's like a big upside down squirrel, sir.
LOL
Latin Version: Rōmānum Generalis: Ha et cetera...
Quid or elephanti? Rōmānum Explorator: Goes sicut from magnum autem-latus descendit aeschyli, Domine.
@@HsienKoMeiLingFormerYANG is this vulgar latin?
Quod the f*ck?
Stenky I think so
Imagine going through all that trouble only to realize the elephants could swim all along.
Right?!?
Elephants are great swimmers. Some have been found swimming, likely lost, well off coasts, nearly out of sight of land. Ask Ricky Gervais. He tells the tale hilariously.
Most people dont know that cows and horses are excellent swimmers as well. Even something as heavy as an elephant still adheres to the principles of buoyancy. The only reason any would have drowned is that they were panicked and fell off the raft.
Let's not forget elephants and whales share a common ancestor.
And (i heard this at swim team) elephants could swim up to 20 miles an hour and use their trunks as snorkels.
"bribe" and "gift" are awfully difficult to keep straight.
So your saying Hannibal invented that river crossing puzzle?
If so, it's the best damn answer yet. "Carry the grain in your canoe, swim the fox across and trick the chickens into using a raft."
That sounds suspiciously like some puzzle one would have to solve in a Day of the Tentacle-type game...
Lindy you are a fantastic storyteller. It's a lost art, in a way.
Imagine if they'd had Bren guns...
y so butthurt
You missed the ellipsis obviously...
Or better yet, a Spandau!
I think they would have scared the elephants even worse than incendiary pigs.
Bren? You mean dual-wielding a Spandau and a Katana obviously.
So, Hannibal got his army through Gaul by ordering every soldier to make his Rhone canoe.
Ba-dum-tish!
You should put the illustrator's name in the tags and the descriptions as it will draw attention to your project. Also, use a title that explains that this is something you're doing and not some random cartoon you're making a video about.
Those Carthaginian's had katanas.
Poor Romans with their spandaus didn't stand a chance.
Alright I'll get off the bandwagon.
Here I though the Romans had the Katanas. I guess Skyrim is not historcialy accurate! >:o
Yes, lest we incite yet another world shattering katana/spandau/chuck norris/Nokia phone war.
Well the Carthaginian's could use the katana pommels to protect themselves, but they won't be able to go through a spandau's cone of fire, the only way to defeat a spandau is to use a Bren gun, the finest human piece of weaponry to date
But if the romans had english longbows only winged-hussars could have saved Hannibal
Zigzag010 Until they equip the spandau with a katana bayonet. This will surely end all life on earth.
"No change there, then" - rofl!
I know. :D Savage.
when?
discotanzo 1:36
***** thanks!
Lmao, he's not lying though
"THE BREN GUN SINGLE HANDEDLY WON WW2"
-Lindybeige
And the cancer spreads to other videos. If you've got such a problem with it, unsub, and leave the rest of us to enjoy his content
Boooo!
+Dracarys Blackfyre I agree.
Underrated comment.
only if they're double bitted brenguns
7:04 I like when the elephant is worried about people taking his land away.
I shall call him Donald Trunk.
"Stop it guys, we'll build a bridge and make the fish pay for it."
The Eurabian union should take notes.
Obviously the elephant is just fearful, hateful and racist towards water.
I mean, sure water *can* drown you, but not all water is like that.
hey, that's pretty fishy
'its not a bribe its a gift of friendship' - hilary clinton
Yeah, she received gifts of friendship from Goldman Sachs, because Jews are the most generous people on earth.
SHUT IT DOWN
+Rabbi Shlomo Shekelberg-Rubingoldstein It makes me so angry to see that shit going on that I literally get suicidal thoughts from it
Rafael Lopez and that surprises you? The entire world saw this coming, except for Americans.
L O C K H E R U P !
L O C K H E R U P !
L O C K H E R U P !
personally what I want to know if how he fed such an army, and specifically Elephants!?
Stocked grain for porridge, maybe turnips, stale bread, herded animals from home and acquired along the way, and lots and lots of pillaging.
Pillaged the fuck out of the countryside
There was one squad whose job it was to lug around the big ol' bag of peanuts.
Probably the same way most other armies did: Pillaging and foraging. And it was common practice for farmers and other people in posession of livestock to butcher and eat the best animals before an advancing army marched through, since they would most likely take those animals for themselves.
@@lhfirex that is SO funny :D
Congratulations on turning in your script for In Search of Hannibal! I am excited to read it once it’s illustrated. As a serial procrastinator myself I love to see a long run project get done. You must feel a great weight off you!
I wonder if some people saw this video and went "oh, shit, my tent wasnt properly dried when i put it away". Hail Lindybeige, savior of tents.
if he had wait, then he could go through the tunnels. :P :D
Must not correct grammar :P
There's something bizarrely adorable about a swiss man proud of his new tunnel ;P
but then he would have been held up by filling out paperwork for the elephants and indians
? Understood we have, problem where it is
And then would not have been let in anyway.
8:40
That's actually true. Gajashaastra, or the science of training elephants, was a very precise skill in India. There was even surprisingly complex understanding of what diseases are affecting to elephants, how to raise them, how to deal with rutting males, how to breed them effectively, etc. I mean, we did use them as mobile tanks to great effect for several millennia. You'd think we'd gotten rather good at it, wouldn't you? Granted, they're ridiculously powerful and independently intelligent animals, but very often, they were raised and trained in preparation for war all the way from birth (in bred elephants, in captured ones it's a bit different) to expect and respond to threats such as javelins, arrows, and cavalry. There are numerous accounts and sculptures on temple walls of elephants smashing down the walls of an enemy fort, trampling on several battalions of enemy soldiers, and smashing their chariots (chariots were also hugely used in ancient India, died out by Ashoka's time). However, the greater size and much more aggressive temperament of African elephants would have been a tremendous problem. Indian elephants don't have such sensitivity, they live in dense jungles and are always needing to cooperate and stay together, dealing with hordes of problems that come from living in such an environment. But African elephants from the broad savannahs can't be convinced to stay in a group and work together, not when there are Velites charging up to them and jabbing them in the jacksie (apparently, Hannibal didn't think to put the jacksie-protector, the Nitambapatta as it was called, on the elephant's behind).
Never backed anything on kickstarter until now, but I have 100% trust in you producing a gem of information and entertainment, as you do with your videos - I am in!
Fun fact: The Carthegans used to have missile weapons mounted on the sides of the elephants. A report by a Carthegian military scholar accounts that they used the Ben gun, named after Hannibals Norman uncle, uncle Ben Barca who was at the time married to a wife named Spendal. After a fight of "who is better" they got divorced and she moved to (now, modern day) Germany and got a city named after her.
What the fuck
Uncle Ben Barca also, of course, introduced delicious white rice at affordable prices to the Republic.
Wow, my history class is watered down
8:39 That "secret" is tying the baby elephant into a strong tree and beating it with a thorny stick until it submits. That method is still used to tame elephants so that tourists could ride them. Don't ride elephants, kids.
I now regret riding an elephant in India :(
Source? I've seen elephants being trained from infancy and they were treated more kindly then most domestic animals.
I see nothing in your source saying that's how people in India during Hannibal's time trained their elephants.
MrPartySack Call this an informed guess.
MrSamulai I think it unwise to make such a guess based off of what modern trainers do now. Gotta keep in mind that ancient India wasn't as "third worldy" in ancient times, it was one of the richest lands.
I'm so glad you're talking about my favorite general!
Yes we need more history stories like this. You're the best history teacher I've ever heard.
No, he put Spandaus on the elefants and he could easily win becuase the enemy used Bren guns.. (duh)
To be honest, if they put any kind of machine gun on the elephants they'd have won any battle against the romans.
Imagine if they had elephant-mounted bren guns firing elephants.
Wait! Imagine if they had elephant-mounted spandaus firing elephants! What an amazing sight to behold. Elephants by the hundreds flying towards the enemy.
End them rightly
Obviously the spandaus would win because they can fire more elephants, you know because that's the only gun stat that matters.
I think Hannibal had an elephant mounted spandau that fired katanas and pommels.
The time we live in today. If only my old history teacher couldve watched your channel 30 years ago ;)
U still here bud?
Lloyd, This is pure gold. Thanks for doing your homework and also going to the trouble of editing the video. Such high quality is so rare anywhere, especially RUclips. I particularly like how you played the part of the animals (I've done that unconsciously myself while telling a story and got giggled at for it :) ). Three cheers for Lindybeige! Any fan of Hannibal can't be all bad. ;)
Hannibal is giving me an inferiority complex
what's wrong with being inferior to a genius?
do you have to be the smartest person who ever existed to not have that complex?
To be fair, most people are objectively inferior to Hannibal.
+Dylan Bailey apart from the spandau
Julius and Augustus Caesar would be the exception.
Whenever someone is talented and feel inferior, all you gotta do is suggest his penis was smaller than yours.
"That's Asian dude is really good at playing the piano"
"Be that as it may, he probably has a small dick"
You can also do it with height.
"That Napoleon fellow is a really good strategist"
"But he so short."
If you do this all of your inferiority will be gone
Hello, when I was doing archaeological studies in around 2005, I learned that Hannibal used African Elephants (and I didn't believed that they could be tamed and used as war elephants). Since then, I learned that there is two species of African Elephants, and those used by Hannibal may be the African Forest Elephant, or may be an other specie or sub-specie of now extinct Elephant.
Anyway, this this is just to tell you to double or triple check your sources for your book, because most archaeologists don't know much about elephants and keep repeating the same mistakes again and again.
Good luck writing your book. I love your channel ! Even when and don't agree with you, I always find a lot of fresh ideas and interesting perspectives.
Lloyd have you ever crossed the Alps? No? That's right so why are you talking about it?
I'm pretty sure he's flown over them. :P
He talks about getting to the Alps! Also... what the hell?
Eh?
+Lucian Leesonja
"Lucian have you ever met Lloyd? No? That's right so why are you talking about him?" You're bringing some great logic to the conversation
He's making a joke based on Lloyd's previous video, where Lloyd was annoyed at people who said he shouldn't talk about the Spandau because he's never fired one before.
my history teacher used this video in class, and I'm honestly so proud of her
Next video: Elephant or a spandau? Which is better?
Well, if it's a Japanese elephant...
Well, a Japanese elephant can cut through solid slabs of Spandau, so there's that.
It depends on whether the elephant is wielding a catana or not.
Lindybeige It is an elephant born in a Zoo in Brno, then shipped to Enfield to get armed... therefore, it is a brenephant.
If you sharpen the tusks into katana blades...
"Zoo keeper on holiday" truly brilliant Lloyd, I doff my hat sir.
I wish you were the historic consultant for Rome 2
I wish Creative Assembly bothered consulting anyone for Rome 2.
Like, a competent game dev.
"No change there, then."
Classic British humour, hahaha.
Found this to be really fascinating! Thanks for the video! P.S amazing job keeping up with your strict upload schedule!!
Love the random fact at the end.. I need more!
Hannibal was fortunate not to be confronting a bishounen elf with supernatural agility.
"THAT STILL ONLY COUNTS AS ONE!!" - Centurion Gimlius Harius
I love how you call mountains 'quite bumpy'
Now imagine if he had spadaus with katana bayonets. He could have simply destroyed the alps and walk right through.
This is truly and honestly excellent content. The fact that its' subject goes along with the book and might be seen as a bit of a promotion took absolutely nothing away from this. History told as a story rather than a textbook is a much better way to learn.
Lloyd in the "In Search of Hannibal Kickstarter project" I noticed that all roman soldiers wear red tunics. Is that historical correct? :D From what I know that's a hollywood invention. It would probably cost a fortune to have expensive dyed tunics for every roman soldier.
Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe I've read somewhere that soldiers really didn't wear mainly red tunics until after the late republic era. Only after then did legions begin donning red dyed clothes, though I do imagine some wore white tunics when Rome was facing financial hardship.
The cheapest natural dyes are in the yellow-orange-red-brown range.
Red tended to be the cheapest dye, hence why it was King Charles colours when he didn't own the London
What does it matter if it was the cheapest? It still very unnecessary to have every legionarys tunic red. And every legionary probably had more then one tunic or got a new one when he needed. Maybe higher officers would have the money to have a dyed one?
PontifexMaximus one unifrom colour = less likely to be killed by fellow archers
Zookeeper on holiday - hilarious! Great video, Lindy.
i never saw hannibal lector in this entire video.. :/
that's because this is a Hannibal lecture... [is shot by an accurate Bren-gun]
good one (y)
+maglorian (is torn apart by 250 rounds of highly accurate MG-42 fire)
The Rhone is a vast, powerful river. Went all the way down it in my 25 foot sailing boat last year. No sailing of course.
Spandau! Spadau! SPANDAU!
Hannibal had BRENs
Are we witness lindy's own pommel/end him rightly?
You know why Hannibal never toppled the Roman Empire but German tribes did? One word.
SPANDAU
the romans had spandaus that's why hannibal won so much. they then adopted brens and killed hannibal
+Jackson Almodobar actually hannibal could'v taken rome provided the siege machines but he was recalled back to africa and defeated in battle there
Wow, I'm excited. This is actually the first Kickstarter project I've actually pledged. It sounds like a great project.
I think that it´s unlikely that many elephants drowned. Contrary to popular believe elephants are excellent swimmers, specially the asian ones. If the horses made it, the elephants probably made it also.
but the elephants hannibal used are extinct, different from modern indian elephants
+wanadeena
Where did you get that information? As far as I know, during Hannibal's time, there were only two species of elephant: the Asian and the African.
+E M read that statement here and there. from r/askhistorians was the first time I encountered this tidbit of info i think.
+E M There was several sub species, the one used by the carthagineans was a north african forrest elephant, a now extinct supspecies that were a lot smaller than both modern bush and asian elephants. theres sources like coins that show people riding them that reveals that they were comparitively small compared to what we think of as african elephants. Also there was an amount of Syrian elephants, in fact the only survivor across the alps was named Syrus- the syrian i think
The horses were attached to large boats to stop them from being swept away.
i like your new sign off "wash darks separately" etc. it's fitting
Oh sure, but more importantly did he use the Bren or the Spandau? :p
an mg-42 could have won any battle before 1840.
Depends on whether the elephants are being used for attack or defense
Neither - he trained his elephants to throw pommels. Of Course the wouold be highly illegal toady.
Good advice about the tent. I failed to do so once. Didn't end well ;)
I thought elephants were good swimmers. Plus they can hold their trunks above the water.
It's easy to get knocked out, trampled or pushed down in a stampede though. I'm pretty sure an elephant alone would survive it.
Yeah, but not many knew that back in the day.
He mentioned that. After they fell in, most of them survived because they just swam. They probably should have just started with that method.
I figure that they thought that the river wasn't calm enough and maybe too wide.
+Overhead4477 maybe they didn't know Elephants could swim that far. I have no idea honestly just guessing
Hannibal crosses the Alps at Colle delle Traversette and went down where the Po river born, then straight to Crissolo and Paesana...
Stades, furlongs, roman miles, english miles, feet, yards, stonethrows, leagues...
Any wonder most of the word just said: "sod it, we go metric...."?
7:00 - Say what they will about you, Lloyd, but you do a fine impression of a panicked elephant on a barge.
“Today... back then rather - France was filled with hostile Gallic tribes”
Elephants "swim" well (they actually walk on the bottom and hold their trunks out, they can also slow their heart rate and shunt blood out of extremities and into the brain, reducing oxygen requirements, enabling them to stay under water for a few minutes), no problem getting them across the river unless it is extremely deep and hundreds of meters wide. It is anything and everyone but the Elephants that couldnt cross it :P P.S. I love your channel.
The Rhone is wide, and far deeper than an elephant is tall.
“A CENSUS TAKER ONCE TRIED TO TEST ME. I ATE HIS LIVER WITH SOME FAVA BEANS AND A NICE CHIANTI.”
Oh damn never mind...I always mix up my Hannibals.
Comgrats on the kickstarter success Mr. Beige! Can't wait to see the finished product.
*very original spandau/katana attempt at humor type comment*
"Hannibal ad portas" Great video. Comparing to other videos I have seen and trust, this is very accurate. Thank you. Great video.
Yeah I just want to point out that GERMAN mahouts were superiour, just like their Japanese counterparts (that could fold the elephants over 40 times) and because of this very reason, could efficiently deploy 1200 elephants a minute.
Great video. Your delivery is really great, particularly in the last minute!
Metric units, please xD
But...But, they're FRENCH!
Or learn both. It's really not that hard.
But the ancient world wasn't metric.
I demand imperial measurements! They are the only proper measure for an English Gentleman.
Lindybeige
No, but ancient people also thought the world was flat, so I don't think we should give them too much credit.
An American here, your being British (with the accent and mannerisms) makes your channel all the more interesting. Great job.
Make video about superiority of Roman Mile.
i just pre-orderd your Book, i cant wait for when it comes out . Thank u so much for the videos
Could a Katana slice an elephant in half?
Of course. You could even running slash through the entire army and space time would be cleanly cut in twain. Then half of existence would slowly slide off the other half until it dropped into nothingness.
Anything can cut an elephant in half if you put enough kinetic energy behind it.
As long as the person doing the running slash had on cute panties, I'd have to concur.
what if the elephant was folded one thousand and one times though?
Checkmate.
Anything can be cut in half with enough violence 🙂
#1 most helpful outro ever
someone should do a fan art of hannibal holding a bren gun in his right hand and a spandau in the other hand while on top a mound. sort of like a scene from terminator.
Your parting PSAs are wonderful
I would say something to contribute but to think I would lose the position of first comment.
probably everyone that likes this vid is going to buy the novel. it looks SUPER interesting! :D
please continue making videos about parts of his travels (maybe parts that won't make it to the story)? ;)
Read an account from two different Roman soldiers that said they could kill an elephant and 800 Carthaginian soldiers with a single blade of grass. They also said that no single person in the history of the world was ever struck by a Carthaginian arrow.
This makes it fact, and if you disagree with me you are just a Carthaginian fanboy.
?
***** Bren grass is superior to Spandau grass. Spandau grass only good in defense, cannot kill elephants even at close range.
Well my m8 Greg says Roman Engineering sucks and their shields look gay so... guess you're just uninformed.
The Gaulic front is COMPLETELY irrelevant to any discussion of Hannibal.
The Carthaginians didn't use bows.
I get the feeling the damp tent advice was learned the hard way.
You should have an Easter egg where in one scene a Carthaginian is advancing over a dead Roman, perhaps somewhere in the background. The Carthaginian is carrying a Bren gun, and the dead Roman has a Spandau.
Just an idea.
The tent advice is just beautiful
Do you know why Hannibal won all his battles ?
His army used bren guns
Fuck no mate, the ancient texts suggest Spandau was used instead of Brens
+Alfin Andy Where's your sauces?
the ONLY reason the romans won..was that they had KATANAS!!
Yeah, it was the romans who used brens. That's why they won in the end.
Clone .501 Zama cough cough
lmao i was ready for the big climax where he crosses the Alps but its just "Hannibal goes to the Alps".
That very interesting information about the Indian mahouts. We may have to apply a different texture to the Carthaginian mahouts in our game ( play0ad.com ).
It does quite surprise me though. Alexander the Great died in 323 BC, then there are records of the North-African Ptolemaic kingdom using war elephants (which is a successor kingdom from Alexander's conquests) around 270 BC. Though it not known whether the Ptolemies Asian elephants or the smaller African bush elephants AFAIK.
The crossing of the Alps is around 218 BC though. So over 100 years after Mediterranean civilisations got into contact with war elephants, and 50 years after they were used in the North-African area, I would have expected they learned how to tame elephants.
Also makes me wonder again, if the mahouts came from India, did they come with their own trained elephants, or did they train local African elephants?
I may need to check your game out. What level of completeness would you say it's at?
Pretty complete. It's very playable at least, though you may still find some oddness (like missing or placeholder models or animations), and we still have a lot of problems with the performance when massive battles happen.
Sander Deryckere Just started downloading. This looks right up my alley. Cheers.
ooh this is going to be an fun interesting series of videos
If Hannibal only would have had Bren Guns. He would have won the war singlehandedly.
I love the background. All the pictures are nature except one that is Lord Commander Mormont.
Sounds like he did the hard way -- would have done better to cross the river and make a noise like a peanut... :)
Thanks for making me laugh. I needed it.
Was't this suppose to be about Alps?
Technically his video says "Hannibal goes TO the Alps", which means it's about the journey to the Alps rather than the one across them
"Always remember to try out a tent thoroughly before long term storage"
Great, I'm going on a camping trip this weekend and am relying on a very old tent that has been kept in a shed for years to provide me shelter. I hope the last guy to store it knew that.
its 4 am in Texas and I have finals at 9am
Good luck.
Have fun.
Me too, good luck!
12 minutes to final time
+dfadg sadfga 30 minutes to mine
Oh gosh. Did I dry my tent good enough before storage? Now I must check.
To Lindybeige or any of his views. Do you or the fans know of Lindybeige's present stance on Global warming? He made a couple of videos a while ago on the topic and some of his reasoning was flawed on it, so I want to make reply addressing these videos. Lindybeige himself said he is a man of science and an advocator of it, so it's saddening to see him not accept the topic, though I can see why he may not have accepted it that many years ago, as the evidence was not as strong, though now we have done more studies, and of course we are seeing the affects of it on our modern day.
So I am going to make a video on the topic where I present the evidence to Lloyd, however gargantuan that may sound, I will do it if it makes a man of science see his error.
Nope, he has not re-addressed the issue. I hope that he has evolved on it, after seeing his Boer video and his Climate change video, I lost a lot of respect for him.
Rob Ingram He essentially tries to justify the British treatment of the Boers. But he conveniently forgets to mention how the Brits killed Boers in the thousand, fully knowing they had nothing to do with the rebellion.
That's just one of the things they did. There are hundreds of British atrocities that he just sweeps under the rug.
That's what he has done in several videos. He hasn't said a lot of incorrect things, but rather he just ignores what proves his assertion wrong.
Jen'Ari-Asha Oh thanks for replying, but is it true that 1000s of British soldiers died around the camps as well?
Rob Ingram Killing civilians is war. But it is not acceptable.
Period.
Angus Rhodes I would like to see a source on that. But that does not disprove my point, although it does support the idea that the Brits did it in pure anger rather than in some evil plot.
Rob Ingram No its not. That's what the freaking word civilian means.
But please, keep telling yourself that murdering children is acceptable. And if someone kills your family, I then assume you won't prosecute?
MORE OF THIS PLEASE.
I am very disappointed at the use of Imperial measurement system...
Great subject for a video! I didn't even know I wanted to know about this before I saw the title of the video.
Goddamn Indians coming into our Imperium to take local plebs jobs away! Romam ingenti iterum!
Bastard flooding the market with canoes!
When I heard some fuss about the term "bribe", I immediately went "He's probably been playing a bit of Sheriff of Nottingham"
I don't know how to feel about this video. I am slightly sick to my stomach and I think I should just unsub right away.
I think it is very clear that Lindybeige knows nothing about elephants and how they were used in warfare two millennia ago. I used to hold this youtuber in such high regard. But lo' and behold; he knows NOTHING about elephants. Has he even ridden an elephant? You can't learn about riding elephants in the alps by just reading. I payed 20 Baht for a ride so I am basically an expert.
Solid gold.
You don't know anything. I have a small porcelain figure of an elephant, and it has been in the family for at least three generations, which makes me the ultimate expert.
Bart Bols Damn, if only my local zoo had elephants... nothing to boost my knowladge with here, just some books about elephants, as if that could ever be helpful...
is this a joke or nah?
Thank you Lloyd, very nice telling, i enjoyed it.
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Fantastic representation of the elephants' thought process at 7min! Brilliant!
I love this man.
Yayyyy more Lindy videos
2:19 Silly Hannibal! there's a nice bridge there for you to use, just watch out for cars :p