Michael Jordan vs Jerry Krause and The Demise of The Chicago Bulls
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- Who do you think was the most to blame for the Chicago Bulls dynasty coming to an end in 1998?
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You are absolutely correct. Reinsdorf's the owner and has the final say. Goes to show he doesn't have the leadership skills to keep the org intact; he just let Krause steer the ship all throughout which brought the whole thing down. The damage has been done and it was too late to ask them back. More than 2 decades later, their org still remains to be a joke.
From what I've learnt,everyone's biggest mistake in this franchise was the thinking that they were the reason for the Chicago Bulls success other than Michael Jordan.
How wrong they all were.
Without Michael,no one achieves anything in this club...period.He's a one man band.The NBA would never had the success it did without him either.It was all on his shoulders.He was the NBA.He was the global icon.Not the NBA,not Jerry,not Phil,not Scotty.
No other player in history had the impact like he did.And all of this was before the evolution of social media.That's how big Michael Jordan was and still is.
When are we all gonna get out heads out of our arses and come to terms with this.He is it.There's no one else.The greatest player ever!
yet, he had a chance to come back and could've had any contract he wanted but he didn't. So much for a one man band.
The one man band would've been coming back to a new coach, no Pippen, and no Rodman. They would've had money to sign another all star and decent power forward. Might have even been able to get Charles Oakley back. But bottom line is that team wasn't going to win and MJ knew it, so he retired so his story can end well.
@@eddieG667I don’t know why they don’t see through the bs, Phil was also offered the job & like you said if you’re the GOAT & can win with anyone you could’ve proved it there. It’s all bs narrative pushed to exalt Mike. I agree.
Until you realize that it was the mainstream media that made michael jordan and that nba didn't start with michael jordan and enda with michael jordan. The same way boxing doesn't start with ali and ends ali. Michael jordan fans are the stupidest fans. Bill russell fans are way more mature and understanding and realize basketball at the end of the day is a team game. You wanna play by yourself and be a one man band, then you go out in play 1 vs 5 in try to win 82 games and play 48 minutes while trying to inbound the ball to yourself and guard all 5 positions and rebound while guarding 1 vs 5.
@BeastSquad-uq1wh I understand what you're saying,but he's not put on a pedestal for no reason.C'mon,I wasn't born yesterday.It's his game more than anything else that you're saying that did all his talking.You can say it's because of this and because of that,but if he doesn't perform out there on the court,there's nothing to talk about.I honestly haven't seen any other player to this day that tops his game despite all the statistics.You say the media made him great,that's a crock of sh*t.The media were only there promoting his game because he had one.No game,no media attention.Do you get it?The media have no control whatsoever over what he did on the court,nor did the Bulls organisation.They were all riding on the coattails of his game.How do you not see this?Let me say this.If Jordan had played this way back in the era of Cousy,Russell and Chamberlain,,his game would still be revered like it is today,guaranteed.Russell and Chamberlain don't have this type of game,neither did Kareem for that matter.If it were so,they would be spoken about more and more over Jordan,but their not.Even I would,but I'm not.I'm no dummy,I know what I saw.I don't need anyone to tell me otherwise,and you can include all of them.He is not at the center of discussions for no reason,despite you saying others made him who he became,because only he can perform to do the things he did on the court the way he did.No person or organisation can help him out there on the court despite all the help they provide for him.He still has to perform and perform he did,like no other I know of.He's the best by far,hands down, everybody.
@faronanderson2536 if jordan played in the 1950s and 60s, he get his points. But none of that would lead him to titles and him dealing with racism, depending on which team the uncle tom would of gone to.
Magic rarely happens but this group of people for whatever reason had it and somehow made it work so well.
The "Repeat the 3 Peat" Bulls were the best team in basketball history.
You are right on brother. Great job and points..
Excellent job Bro.I'm late on the watching and commenting but I enojoyed it😊😊😊
People say pippen rode Jordan's cotails hell no it was Jerry Krause. After the bulls were broken up in 1998 Krause was there 5 more years and the bulls only averaged just 19 wins a season.
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So an owner who gets a top pick and pays $$$ is “riding their coat tails” ?
It's amazing Jordan stayed with the bulls and became one of the greatest ever and won six titles despite the conflict and animosity between Jordan and Krause I'm glad the bulls organization isn't like this anymore it's much better with Arturas and eversly in charge
Krause is typical Agamemnon vs Jordan the Achilles of Basketball
Men always stand for what's right. Be like Mike
Respect for each other most important
15:42 No Ahmad, the line is "Michael took that very PERSONALLY"
They probably would have 8 championships with Oak Tree Presence
Nah, they needed Cartwright to go against the centers , you had Horace coming up, was no need. Had they been able to have Cartwright & Oakley that would’ve been different.
What I find very strange is that as soon and Michael Jordan retired and the rest of the team followed the NBA quickly resolve the lock out and started back the season for 50 games.
In the game of professional basketball, we all know that there are people in these different organizations all the way from the owners to the players that have incredible egos. I think it's a matter of everybody staying in their own lane and just doing their job and keeping their mouths shut, especially when it comes to the media. If people within their respected organizations would just have a sit down about their problems, I think that things could have been handled a lot differently. But of course some people love the controversy, as well as the drama that comes along with it. Some people don't want peace and tranquillity. They want the drama and the chaos that comes along with it.
Cooperation very important
I think a big problem in all of this was the ego of Jerry Krause. As a general manager, you're supposed to be "in the shadows" so to speak. It's a hard and thankless job, but that's just the way it is. You labour in obscurity, while the players and the coaches get all the praise and credit. It's not fair, but it is what it is and it's always going to be that way.
If you want to know what happens first-hand whenever people forget their place, all you have to do is look at the Dallas Cowboys after they were bought by Jerry Jones. But he just had to open up his mouth. He just couldn't shut up and you see where the Cowboys are right now.
How could the organization win championships when they are not the ones out there playing.
2:33 Hey Tex, if this was In fact true, MJ wouldn’t have been able to throw up 63 in the garden
Magic, Bird, and many other greats had to endure coaching turnover. Magic made it to the finals under rookie coach Dunnleavy and Bird played under Rogers and Ford (I believe) after winning under KC Jones.
Nobody wants to talk about this, but this was Jordan just protecting his legacy if anything. Him coming back in 99 with no Phil, no Pip, and no Rodman likely meant a playoff exit or a finals loss at best.
Protect his legacy from what? His GOAT legacy is written in immortality. 25 years after the Bulls demise we are still in awe of MJ. He was already in his mid 30's and everything was in place why would he opt to start playing from scratch?
@@docallen2796 umm because you love competing? Was Magic starting from scratch in 90-91?
Then why did he come back with the Wizards that had an even worse team?
@@fuckfuckfuckshit781 C’mon now. He and everyone knew he wouldn’t be competing for a title. A 1999 Bulls team without Pippen,Phil and Rodman would’ve still made the playoffs. Krause likely would’ve signed another star but it wouldn’t be like playing with Pippen.
He saw all the greats getting eliminated in playoff games and that would’ve been torture for someone so competitive about his legacy
@eddieG667 Again. Jordan came back and played with the Wizards that had one of the worst records in the league the prior year.
Krause did a good job bringing in Scottie Pippen and Horace Grant as well as role players to place around Jordan but i dont think it would be too hard to build a team around a talent like Jordan. Jordan is the main reason why the Bulls won 6 NBA titles in 8 years. The Bulls didnt win a title without Jordan.....still to this day 22 years later! If you had no Jordan... Krause would have never have put together a championship team! Krause's inability to realize this was his biggest failure. Krausse will go down as the man who broke up the Jordan led Bulls championship team too early and not as the man who helped the Bulls win 6 titles.
Amen. He made those dudes great
Jerry Reinsdorf oversaw the entire mess. Krause was a figurehead who did what he was told.
Both sides were wrong. Jordan was always making fun of Jerry Krause which didn’t help matters. It made it worse. You NEVER make fun of people and their medical problems of obesity. I understand why Jordan had problems with ownership but he handled it wrong. Reinsdorf and Krause both committed morally wrong acts. If they thought that they were the only reasons for the success of the team, then that’s a problem. If Krause is the most hated man in the sport, then they probably need to put Reinsdorf up there with him. I’m surprised how much blame Krause gets and how little Reinsdorf gets. They are equally to blame and unfortunately this is the downside of fame. That’s what they’ll be remembered for. Yes the players are doing the work. Just remember that it takes skill for management to do what guys like Krause and Reinsdorf did. I recall Michael Jordan’s being an owner of the Wizards and was never able to achieve the success as an owner that he had as a player when playing for the Bulls. Even Charles Barkley called out Jordan for underperforming as an owner which resulted in Jordan alienating and refusing to speak to Barkley because of those truthful statements.
Jordan is not Brady and no one in the bulls org was Belichek
You don't tell a black man in the US That he is property! They tried to make Krause a sympathetic figure in the media after the last dance
He was the greatest general and becaof that he deserves respect. As a person might no be the same case. I believe he was jealous because nobody showed rspect to him. Thanks to him he surrounded Jordan to get 6 titles. But who is on the floor? The owner and gm and secretary? He should've been more careful with his words 😢
Why break up a team While they are very Successful.?
Wow
Imagine if KD stayed at Golden State won two more championships, and the their GM decides to break the team up. People would never stop talking about it.
I love Michael but the fact that the second 3 peat only had 3 originals from the first
proves Krause did something significant to keep MJ, SP, and PJ being the top team in the NBA.
Lol, no
@@velvetbear7184 Um, yes.
Krause's contributions are undeniable. But making the relationship untenable was him injecting himself forcibly into the equation.
@@marblox9300 what happened with the rebuild ? he make another dynasty ?
If management isn't responsible for destroying the dynasty then there is no way they were responsible for building it.
Krause actually deserves some credit for building that team. He did a good job. But he also deserves the majority of the blame for the implosion. He just didnt know how to properly treat Jordan and and Pippen because of his insecurities. Jordan is the best player ever and the main reason they won. Pippen is maybe the best defensive player ever and was almost as important to the winning as Jordan. Thoses 2 deserve the lions share of the credit.
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Everyone should have played their own position, and they did until Krause's pride stepped in.
you're assuming everyone else were absolute angels to deal with. This documentary makes it seem like the 98 team was waking up eager and singing kum-ba-ya together, but that's so far from the truth. They were on their 3rd band aid from the 1996 team with a 1 year deal for Mike, a Rodman getting more bored with every game, and Pippen who wanted a new contract. MJ's alpha attitude also made it tough for other players to stay and nobody from the 91-93 squad was leftover for the 2nd 3-peat.
Even when teams were the best of friends like the 80s Showtime Lakers they inevitably implode. Things came to a screeching halt with Pat Riley in 1990 after they won 5 championships together. And that was WITHOUT Magic retiring in the middle of the run like Jordan did and gave everyone much needed break from each other.
Just the fact they won 2 more times after 96 is a miracle and everyone takes that for granted. Phil Jackson showed that even better owners like Jerry Buss can grow weary of his demeanor and they got rid of him not only once, but twice after he won multiple titles. Heck, he was even engaged to Jeanie and that wasn't enough.
@@eddieG667 Like I said, everyone should have just played their own position 😆
@@johnhamilton5435 seeing how everyone eventually showed their true colors later in their lives (especially Pippen) saying they needed to stay in their own lanes is like asking Lebron to have thick skin 😂
@@eddieG667 The narrative was written long before alot of them got there in saying Jordan was going to be the man. The shaped the whole NBA around Jordan. So the shine was going to him and everyone else should have just played their role 😆
@@johnhamilton5435 lol after watching the last dance and the ex player interviews after from Hodges, Cartwright, Parish, and Grant some of them sound like they were close to punching MJ 😂
Jordan was to emotionally attach
Why Can't you blame jerry Krause he's the person that Broke up the team Why they were Winning Jerry Could have let them went At - least one more year."😊
The man single-handedly destroyed Illinois basketball man okay point blank. This dude took down unarguably headed on his way to be the greatest team ever assembled besides the dream team, of course tons of talent on that tons of Superstars so the dream team don't count. I'm talking just a regular basketball squads in the NBA. The Chicago bulls was unarguably on their way of being the greatest team ever assembled. If Jordan and all of the guys would have stayed, the field would have stayed. I'm not going to lie to you with that camaraderie that they had going on with each other. Phil Jackson and the squad. That's what I'm going to call the Chicago bulls, the squad, Phil Jackson and the squad. Oh man, we talking easily three more championships. That's how dominating they were and nobody wasn't able to knock them out of that position. Nobody was even ready to even take that on. They couldn't. It was too much. It was just too much. The bulls was like I said one of the greatest teams ever assembled. I only got one. Maybe two other teams ahead of them?
We should have won in 98 99 championship number 7
They were lucky to win game 6 of 98 finals. Howard Eisley 3 pointer was wrongly waived and Ron Harper 2 pointer was okayed. 5 point swing and Jazz would have won game 6 and surely game 7 as Pippen was injured
They built you a statue an Jordan still disrespect Jerry
So the fans take it out on Jerries wife 28 years later after he had been dead 7 years? They showed him!
It’s skip 10:52
I want to thank sports reporters Comments ..I dont Know Jerry personally..I do know for certain he treated the Greatest like crap..Jordan brought us a new stadium...to me I can't say anything good about him breaking a winning team to a worst organization before Jordan
Jerry cross let his ego get in the way his boss Jerry while both of their names is Jerry. That's kind of crazy but his boss Jerry gave him the power he stepped out of the way. I think it was a really shrew maneuver to get out of the crossfires like they said. So if anything go wrong we just blame it on Jerry cross. It's kind of like the movie Life when they made Martin Lawrence's character head of the baseball team and if they lose then it's Martin Lawrence fault. But anyway Jerry let his ego get in the way Terry Cross did when you have a player that has proven himself to you. Now I'm going back to when Mike first played he hurt his foot. They didn't want Mike to play. They was trying to keep him out which I understand that was his job to protect Mike to protect the team. I get that but when this man went back on the floor anyway he pressured y'all and pushed y'all to let him play and he went out there and he delivered and he kept delivering and the delivery got even greater and greater and greater until he started winning championships. Why you don't want to let this man have a say so Jerry cross why you don't want him to have a say so this man has been there since you've been there. He took on a great injury. Came back from it and proved to y'all that I got this for y'all but all he want is a little bit of control of what's going on. Y'all looking from a different perspective y'all looking for him to skybox I get it. Y'all think this shit happened but in all actuality the players on that floor is going to win those games. Those players on that floor is going to pack that stadium. The players on that floor is going to sell the memorabilia LOL and the food from the concession stands because of them. The customer is coming Jerry. You let your ego get in the way because you didn't want to let Michael Jordan have a say. So why would you get rid of Phil Jackson now? We're going to talk about that now. I understand Jerry Cross can't answer this now but I'm just saying some things have to be talked about whether they're here or not. But in all actuality if you're in your scriptures, he's here. He hears it. Why would he say Phil not coming back no matter what even if they win all 82 games. Jerry Cross said that Phil Jackson is not staying in Chicago. That sounds like hate y'all there. Make sure the Chicago bulls the team of Chicago is up to Paul running like a whale all machine. If the machine is running and there's nothing wrong with it, why are you over there tinkering with it? No more talk
I'll give credit where it's due, Jerry Krause did decent job assembling the team but Jesus man. Why grande it (I know its easy saying it now and not in his shoes)? I feel for the remaining Bulls who had to suffer rebuilding.
Jerry Krause is an example of how not to be a manager.
Jerry is tha one who said we could go 82-0 and Phil ain't comin back. So maybe Jerry is tha one who should've made the offer for him to come back. Phil wasn't happy so why would he go back.
He was offered the job despite that statement.
@@Supreme36074 After they won tha chip so tha damage was already done✌️
@@seanherring9340 regardless… he was offered the job, everyone knew they were winning a chip, that was a forgone conclusion..
Tho People Are Winning, And Making Money, They Will Cut Their Nose Off To Spite Their Fate ⁉️💋
It seems to me that Michael Jordan for all his basketball skills and greatness is a petty individual who holds insane grudges. As far as the owner is concerned, I think he did good to just stay out of everything and let Mr. Krauss do his job. At least he wasn't constantly meddling like Jerry Jones of the Dallas Cowboys is. Yes, Jerry Krauss has his faults. He also did a lot of things right along the way as well. I think the way that Michael Jordan teased him was really cruel and childlike. Yes, some of it he brought on himself but come on, are we all adults, or no? There were times that Michael Jordan acted like a spoiled little brat and unfortunately there were times he had to be put in his place, and Jerry Krauss was put in the unfortunate position to have to do that.
Krause gets too much credit. What did he accomplish without Jordan? Three miserable seasons and a resignation.
If this jerry krause out... Then the bulls is intact... Another 3 peat
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The bulls fans and players should kiss jerry krause behind for helping orchestrate the trades that got him the 6 rings, He (jerry) might be an donkey to work for, but he assembled the team and the coach he needed to win. He (jordan) does the playing which he is good at, and with the help of the NBA to become the star that he is. Jerry likewise is doing his job which is to be strict and unforgiving to his players, he may be a donkey and a lot of players and fans seemed to hate him since if your a jordan supporter its kinds automatic for you to hate what he hates, but in the end he did his job. Remember this is the same jordan who vervally abuses jerry every chance he takes. This docu is pro jordan since jordan is an untouchable in the NBA. But again without jerry jordan cannot even pass the BAD Boys pistons.
Ain't winning those last 3 without Rodman and Krause was the only guy that wanted him.....just saying
If Phil stays, if MJ stays…
…they lose to the Spurs in the Finals.
Krause and Reinsdorf ran off the Jordan train and nothing else. All they did is dismantle a dynasty built by Jordan out of corporate arrogance not leadership. Sell the team from Reinsdorf to win again….
Crazy when it comes out years later that Phil was offered the job back, Reinsdorf asked Jordan to not retire & to give Phil time to change his mind. Jordan said no, Dennis was crazy & Scottie was injured during the finals, that’s he was done. Phil eventually stuck to his word of not retiring because the whole time he had his eyes on the Lakers job Sauk g years before that Shaq was the player the triangle was perfect for. Krause got the blame, the media as you see in this video pushed the narrative. Krause definitely deserves credit for building championship rosters. The very thing he got mad at Krause about trade for Cartwright is the move they needed. Phil sits here & says he was offered the job again despite previous issues but because he & Jerry said BEFORE that, he didn’t want to come back. That in itself is saying he could’ve come back. The rest are pushing the narrative that Reinsdorf could’ve did more, what more can you do than go back in your word & offer Phil the job again anyway. They were at the end of their run no matter what, they had a couple years at best at top & Phil knew Shaq & Kobe were next up & left to keep his thing going. Everyone was selfish some , none more than Jordan.
Phil was offered a 1 year contract after it was publicly announced that Phil would never be able to stay regardless of a win or lose. Why should Phil put up with the humiliating remarks Krause would make in public towards him.
@@kathyrae1140 because he had always made just as disparaging if not more comments about Krause in the media or otherwise. Phil had his eyes on LA. He always coveted a center like Shaq who in his own words the triangle really was made for. Then to have Kobe. It was no brainer. Shaq publicly would call Phil the Great Phil Jackson & he became available. At the same time you could tell the Lakers players weren’t feeling Del Harris, it was obvious he was going there. Phil was just jumping ship because he knew then Bulls days were numbered regardless. At best the would’ve contended for two more.
@@Supreme36074 how was the rebuild ? he make more championship teams ?
Organizations win championships. What has chiraq won without jordan? The bulls organization has won nothing.
I'm going to say this and I ain't going to say nothing else. I do believe Jerry cross had fat guy syndrome and that's not to be talking bad about him. You know of his weight but I'm saying I think he had fat guy syndrome. Little guys have this little guy syndrome seriously. They feel like there you know so they feel miserable and they make everybody else around them. Miserable. At least they try. It makes them feel better about theirselves and that's a shame that this man legacy is built on tearing down the dynasty when now I get that they were arguing or whatever they were doing. Going back and forth. You know having meetings or whatever, but his legacy shouldn't have end it with being the man that Rob Chicago Illinois and I'm going to say Illinois because I'm in Illinois. I have stayed in Illinois my entire life. 54 years robbed Illinois of championship because of this syndrome this fat guy syndrome he got some power. Y'all know how it go. The nerd or the fat guy in school get teased a lot and then when y'all grow up you wind up knowing that he's the head of the bank now you make good money and everything. But you want to get alone and improve your life and you go in and you have to talk to him. The guy that got teased and bullied the whole time. Even if you wasn't the one that was bullying him, you got to go in and see him. This is the mentality that Jerry Cross has. I can say this because I analyze people. I am a not so much as a shrink but I am a counselor. This syndrome is taken over Jerry to his last days his legacy should have ended with being the man that brung championships to Chicago and the team just gracefully faded away not. I'm going to tear this down because of my ego. Phil might have wanted more money which is very understandable because him and his team has shown that they deserve more even if it's a say so of what goes on. This is what Jerry couldn't get past. Reminds me of Jack Nicholson on a few good men. I'll run my unit the way I run my unit and ain't no coach or no basketball player going to tell me how to do it. That's how he acted
Krause was a closet homosexual.
That’s why he couldn’t think straight or walk right, because he couldn’t come out and all he could think of was those young black men in their gym shorts & then hitting the showers.
Really messed his head up.
That man has kids & no other indications he was gay, stop that 😂
People just like making shit up@@Supreme36074
Dude was not gay stop making things up
Jordan was an Ass from top to bottom, he did it to team mates, but to do it to the front office makes you think that 1 day he'll be the greatest owner of all time also, we see how that worked out. Krause deserves a lot of credit for not only scouting but for putting up with Jordans childish crap, still in which Jordan does to this day, last dance was a joke and he left out a lot of people. Last dance was the self centered Jordan we all heard about but didn't believe it until it was put in front of us